From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Aug 1 06:53:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Larry Young FedX broke my cam in two In-Reply-To: References: <1955879176.5280381249056954157.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A743ABE.8070103@pobox.com> I'm here. Was too busy yesterday to afternoon to check the FoT. Bob, your cores arrived safe and sound, and one has gone on to the grinder. FedEx must have to really work at it to break a cam. Larry Kramer, Robert wrote: > I've copied Larry so you can see his address. Larry, did my cores arrive alive? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 1 11:18:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hotel recommendation needed for a FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3696DD0F-E856-438D-B2EB-31E9184E6149@bnj.com> Kas and most of the FOT members are staying at the Red Lion Inn at Jantzen Beach. I've been extremely remiss in not getting over there and negotiating a rate--I'm pleading being absurdly busy lately. I'll call them this afternoon. On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hi Bill, > I'll be coming up for the vintage event labor day weekend. I'm > wondering if you could make a hotel recommendation. I've been on the > PIR website and there are a number of possibilities near the track. > Some inside info from a local would be appreciated. You'll be missed > at Monterey this year but we'll see you in Portand. > Thanks, > Dave Hogye > Santa Cruz,Ca. > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Aug 2 08:19:21 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:19:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire pistons needed Message-ID: <20090802141933.0D90B187669@autox.team.net> I am trying to bring my son's 1500cc Spitfire engine back to life but I am short two .060 overbored cast aluminum flat top pistons. Does any FOT member have a used couple of pistons or a full set of four at a good price they'd be willing to let me buy? Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico email: walt at hot-tr6.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 68652 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 3 07:02:46 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:02:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Message-ID: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNga OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 3 08:21:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:21:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Liquidation of Parts and Tools by Jack Wheeler -NFI Message-ID: List, Jack Wheeler has a boring machine, fixture and hone that has been used for many years for doing cylinder liners. This for sale at the right price. He also has a very complete engine 'kit' that left by a customer that passed away. He asking for what he is owed. He also has useful cores in blocks, one head, and cams. I am sure he has more. He can be reached at jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Regards, Joe Alexander From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Aug 3 08:54:22 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001ca144a$4a884360$df98ca20$@com> I have a hard copy of the instructions for the front hub spacer kit. I can have my wife scan them this evening and e-mail them to you. The scanner is on her computer and the scanner and I don't get along! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNg a OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 17:32:47 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2010 shirts Message-ID: <822019.63487.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: I have just reviewed the shirt orders for the Kastner Cup at PIR. At this time I have orders for 14 t-shirts and 2 short sleeve shirts. The pricing was quoted on 100 t-shirts and 25 short sleeve shirts so as you can see we are no where near the quantities needed to make this happen. Thursday is the drop dead date for ordering. I have included the instructions for ordering below if you are interested. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. ___________________________________ From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 3 17:56:21 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090803235653.E0817187647@autox.team.net> I e-mailed Joe the current instructions... - Tony Drews At 08:02 AM 8/3/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i >bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There >was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I >figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone >have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted >anywhere on the net? Joe(B) From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 12:45:46 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> /w3R29Q: Permission denied From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 14:03:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4A789407.6090101@pobox.com> From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 20:27:00 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirt update Message-ID: <325248.21444.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: Okay this time I'll address the 2009 Kastner Cup shirts. To date I have orders for 27 t-shirts and 4 crew shirts; far short of what is needed. Again here is the ordering instructions. Deadline is this Thursday. If you have questions, please contact me. thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 4 22:27:56 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal Message-ID: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Anyone have a suggestion or a neat little trick I have not thought of to get a stuck front oil seal out of the timing cover of a TR3/4? Last night I tried tapping it out from the front, but that just bent the seal inner lip. Then I tried prying between the front cover and the front of the seal, but that seals to be bending the lip of the front cover seal register not moving the stuck front seal. Part has now been soaking in mineral spirits for 24 hours, I'll give it a try again tomorrow. Just hoping one of you has already figured this one out. Thanks, Greg BTW The executive editor of "Spirit" (Southwest airlines rag) has an entertaining piece about the 24 hours of LeMons in the current issue. He was apparently a part of team TARP. That looks like a crazy bunch of folks. No mention of the TR7 entrant that I seem to remember reading about on FOT a while back. http://www.spiritmag.com/features/article/lap_dogs/ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 5 09:35:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090805153514433.UPYZ557@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Keep in mind, you aren't trying to save that old seal. I have, on occasion, wound up entirely destroying the seal and removing it in pieces. Eg, grab the inner lip with vise grips, and pry it out. If it breaks, bend down the broken corners, grab them and try again. As an absolute last resort, cut a groove in just the seal outer housing (you'll have pried and broken all of the inner bits away by now) with a Dremel and cutoff wheel. Not all the way through, just enough to weaken it so it will break there. Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 11:53:26 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? Doug From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 12:31:39 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes Message-ID: I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 13:30:39 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bearing needs to be able to move side to side by some amount in order to change brake bias. Let it move too far out one end or the other and Bad Things Happen. (Been there, done that, got the tatoo!) I think Caroll's suggestion is to have a circlip to limit the amount of adjustment available is a wise one. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Aug 5 13:41:25 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 14:37:53 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. > Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to > screw the brearing out of the tube. > > Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver > adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar > "should" > prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the > Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. > > > > Tony > > > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 15:57:09 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9B257BDC7B4C05B0621556720C328F@INSPIRON> Thanks I could not get comfortable with the set up It seemed that it could move out of bias just from shifting back and forth but the movement does not effect bias change and the float allows the master push rods to move with out binding which a fixed spherical bearing could cause . rob ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bownes To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 5 18:13:50 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090806001412.2A9F91898C8@autox.team.net> I THINK it's just myself and Bob Wismer that are going - at least according to the entry list I got a day or two ago. - Tony Drews At 12:53 PM 8/5/2009, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > >Doug From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Thu Aug 6 01:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 "racetorations" telescopic rear shockies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090806072119.JIAM21119.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> I have obtained a set of UK "Racetorations" brackets to convert the rear on a TR6 to telescopic shocks Can anyone help with length data on the correct shocks to go with these? Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 18:14:24 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirts Message-ID: <756662.38776.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Everyone: Anyone who may still want to order shirts please let me know tonight. Ordering instructions follow. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. __________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 14:37:05 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:37:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance Message-ID: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise to check the rod bearings with plastigage. I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in order). I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts that Plastigage is not accurate. This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many years. Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before trashing them. I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without taking it all apart. Advice? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Aug 7 22:53:00 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <21FC159599404D028883E354ECED297F@TER2> Steve, The standard of .003" clearance was esspecially for stock rods which do not stay as round as a Carrillo rod will. Just the same I would like to see .002 to .0025" as a minimum figure. We have run engines with as much as .0045" with no ill effects, but that is going in the other direction. Plasticgage can be used accurately, it is just not the preferred method of checking clearance. To use plasticgage, you must be sure to use the correct side, and ANY dirt or debrie will affect the results. You must be careful not to press down on the plastigage and must let the "clearance" between the bearing and the journal do the pressing on the plastigage. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance >I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. >Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise >to check the rod bearings with plastigage. > I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod > bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in > order). > I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts > that Plastigage is not accurate. > > This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is > .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, > this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many > years. > Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old > ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before > trashing them. > > I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the > plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor > to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without > taking it all apart. > > Advice? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2289 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00 From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 11:28:27 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:28:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance In-Reply-To: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C5D9E94-BC31-455A-AAFD-87C8E3799158@comcast.net> I recently assembled a GT-6 engine, and checked the clearances several ways. It is time consuming, and requires the use of micrometers, etc. If you do not have these, find someone who does or invest in some. By the time I got done paying the machinist, I was halfway to a single micrometer purchase. The goal is to get all of the clearances approximately equal. This can usually be accomplished by mixing and matching the bearings, as they are usually not perfectly uniform in thickness. If you are really going for perfection, it may help to have a second set of bearings from which to select. measure all the rod and main crank journals. They should be mic'd at four locations, being "front" and "rear" and again at 90 degrees to the first location. This will determine if they are round or egg shaped, and if they were tapered by the polishing belt. Hopefully, this will confirm that you have a good machinist! I found on my cranks that they were almost exactly round (one was 0.0002 out), but that one main had about 4/10,000 of taper from the leading edge to the trailing, caused by the belt presumably being pushed harder against the front edge. Measure all the bearing shells with a micrometer. You will need a ball tip on the mic because of the concave surface. These should be measured on each side of the oil channel or at two locations on the rod bearings. I found, depending on manufacturer, either great consistency or up to 5/10,000 variance from one to another, and 2/10,000 from one side to another. Now you see how you can adjust the clearances. Measure the bores of the con rods and of the main bearing bores. For this, you need an inside mic or other bore- measuring device, and the caps should be torqued to the correct spec do the math, subtracting the bearing thicknesses and crankpin diameter from the bore diameter. I used an excel spreadsheet so I could compare and re-shuffle the bearing measurements. Using one set of bearings, I was able to get variation down to about 2/10,000 on the mains and 4/10,000 on the rods I then confirmed all this with plastigage on assembly and found the same results in terms of tolerance, though the absolute clearance dimension varied by a few 10,000s. The other way to do this is with an inside bore gage, assembling the bearings in the bores and torquing them down. You still need to move them around to get the best combinations. From walt at hot-tr6.com Sat Aug 8 22:19:17 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:19:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 road racer Message-ID: <20090809041929.6327C18E902@autox.team.net> An on line car magazine has finished an article on my TR6 racecar. The link is: http://www.retromod-mag.com/hot-6/ I could have not finished this 1970 TR6 racecar project without the help and guidance of my friends at FOT. A special thanks go out to Kas Kastner and Richard Good. My son Drew (21 years old) helped with the heavy lifting in building this car last year. Drew and I enjoyed may long hours putting this car together. Drew is becoming a very good autocrosser and is starting to get his feet wet in road racing. I have also introduced auto crossing to my 18 years old son Kurt and my 16 year old daughter Casey. They are having a great time learning how a fast car handles. My kids are beginning to understand why I get a kick out of playing with fast cars over the past 45 years. Anyway, I thought you might get a kick out of this link. Enjoy Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 70815 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 11:39:06 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:39:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Hello All, FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he doesn't get a nice sofa! Hope to see you there. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 11:53:53 2009 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] New track !! Message-ID: <343290.15779.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Finally a decent road course in the Deep South. Check it out. This is between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. The track is call "The Circuit at Grand Bayou" and when completed will be 4.5 miles!!!! http://filelibrary.myaasite.com/Content/10/10675/30519312.pdf From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 9 12:17:25 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Track in Arizona Message-ID: <20090809181820.81DFB18765F@autox.team.net> I'll chime in on new tracks. Just heard about this one yesterday when I was out Instructing at Firebird. One of the Instructors has called the owner and is working on setting up a day for us to go down and check it out. Rumor is that NASA-AZ is working getting us a date or two at the track next year. Found these photos http://www.southwestrides.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16139&page=4 Here is the website for the track http://www.indemotorsports.com/ So... For those in AZ and NM looks like we will have a new place to play! From earthron at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 14:00:54 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested Message-ID: <609491.11329.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Passing along a So Cal new track help request from VARA. Ron Jones 1963 TR4 Race 1958 TR3A In restoration --- On Fri, 8/7/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: From: vara at rrevs.net Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested To: earthron at yahoo.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:47 PM August 7, 2009 Dear Members, Many of you may be aware that our long time member & sponsor Tom Malloy of Trench Shoring is attempting to build a new race track, the Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park, a world class race track about 20 miles northwest of Lancaster. Tom is getting opposition from a few environmentalists: Anyone that knows Tom can be certain that this new facility will bring only benefit to the surrounding area and community. Tom is one of the most generous and conscientious people I have had the privilege to know. TOM NEEDS OUR IMMEDIATE HELP, as you know Tom has supported you, as a member of VARA for numerous years. The very least we can do is each take a few short minutes of our time to write a few paragraphs and email or mail a letter to the County of Los Angeles. You are also invited to attend the hearing that will be held on September 2nd in Los Angeles in support of Tom and his new track. Below are links to a letter from Tom, which has the pertinent information for your letter and the location of the hearing as well as a brochure of the track. Please take the time to read it. If you have questions you can contact Tom at 951-739-0508 Tom's Letter (PDF) Track Brochure (PDF) YOUR LETTERS NEED TO BE AT THE COUNTY BY AUGUST 19! Please note that Tom has asked a few organizations to support him on this. You may get some duplicate requests. One letter will do. HE REALLY NEEDS OUR SUPPORT. Sincerely, Darlene Longacre General Manager VARA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sun Aug 9 19:33:57 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 SU dual intake needed Message-ID: <4A7F7905.30505@141.com> Amici, We're in need of a 1300 intake manifold for twin 1-1/4" SUs. Would anyone have a spare one they would be interested in selling? Thanks! Brad From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:24:32 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Summer Party 2009 Message-ID: We just got back from the 2009 Roadster Factory Summer Party. HAD AN ABSOLUTE BLAST. It was great visiting with everybody. Below are a couple of videos. Do a cut and paste. One is an in-car video of me in the Spitfire at the autocross and the second is Jason in Evelyn's TR8 at the LemMans Start contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvbaOhfDZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHLZCspTWY Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Aug 10 05:45:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations References: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005701ca19b0$6ec34570$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: "Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer" To: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't > stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he > doesn't get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 10 08:33:23 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/10/2009 8:11:41 AM Central Daylight Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > Amici, > > Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > Amici... GRATTAN is my favorite track. Bob Wismer and I plan to be there. Bill Dentinger PS The weekend is sure to include some time in memory of Uncle Jack. For sure we'll be smoking good stogies and sipping single malted scotch out at Turn ONE of those evenings. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 10:00:03 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: Greg Lunker Hilyer To: FOT Triumph Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > doesnt get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 10:08:38 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Kastner Cup t-shirt appeal Message-ID: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: As you are aware I have been taking orders for shirts for this years Kastner Cup at Columbia River Classic to be held at PIR Labor Day weekend. I did not receive as many orders as planned but I still hope to make this work. I have spoken with the supplier and they have agreed to hold the price if I can place an order for 50 t-shirts, I currently have orders for 40 t-shirts. Thank you to those who have placed orders. Now I really need a few more people to step forward to place orders for another 10 t-shirts. The following link will take you to the Columbia River Classic website where you can see the shirt design. The first design you will see is the design for the back of the t-shirt. There will be an FOT Coat of Arms over the left breast area. http://www.crclassic.com/ The cost of the t-shirts are: S - XL $9.00 2XL - 4XL 11:00 Shipping: 1 -2 shirts: $5.00 Over 2 shirts: $10.00 I have again included instructions for ordering via PayPal. Thank you, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 10 11:19:06 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:19:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block Message-ID: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 11:53:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: <01AF1FBB-4E8F-4D4B-8FD7-594CAC6FAE3F@bnj.com> I have helicoils in all the short bolt studs holes on most of my engines--I do it to the outer four as a matter of practice, since the they tend to have cracks leading into the pushrod tunnels or elsewhere. Greg Solow has slightly longer studs available with longer threads that require a little drilling and using a bottoming tap on the existing hole. One of my engines has these as well as helicoils. The Helicoils WILL handle the torque, but in the future I will use Timeserts, or keyserts, or any of the solid thread repair options. I like the look of the time serts best, but they require the most tooling. Keyserts are very good and they won't turn out. You use a standard tap for them in the smaller sizes, I'm not sure what they use for 1/2 inch, I'd suspect 9/16 but it might be something odd like 17/32" On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for > his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of > the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the > head has been stripped of its threads. > > He would like to know what is the best option to solving this > problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. > Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger > threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is > concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. > > Any proven suggestions ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 11:59:36 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations In-Reply-To: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <673993c50908101059w2349989cn7c43b0660f634601@mail.gmail.com> Dick Stockton and crew will be there. Bob On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires > > Sent from Comcast Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAM TOBIN > To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph > Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the > Vintage GP at the Glen? > BillOriginal Message ----- > From: Greg Lunker Hilyer > To: FOT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > > > Hello All, > > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > > doesnt get a nice sofa! > > Hope to see you there. > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Aug 10 16:37:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:37:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: I've repaird my block with threaded sleeve. Did work well. I still have this block. Outside diameter was 18mm. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Don Elliott Gesendet: Montag, 10. August 2009 19:19 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 16:45:45 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a "pay it forward" favor. While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did recently that was completely out of character. My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten seconds of effort). Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little interval). We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll ever see. The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my shop cleaned. I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth doing. From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 10 17:18:08 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <79A3DD98-602A-4FA4-AEFA-178C8FD8F8F6@wi.rr.com> Nice job Bill! There's always hope for each of us. Pretty much why we are here. Allen On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to > post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to > promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any > extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph > them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I > did recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty > that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 > airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So > I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running > bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse > on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next > day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin > you'll ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home > from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, > and my shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a > bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it > together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that > no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth > doing._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 17:34:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <103AD8F82A404F84A8550990A026F99C@Bud> Good Job Dude! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters >I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post > around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote > the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra > after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. > They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did > recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that > I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead > basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped > him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on > the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day > fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll > ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from > a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my > shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike > that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with > his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes > unpunished. But they're still worth doing. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 01:43:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? Message-ID: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 11 02:51:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> some pictures and a preliminary story at: http://www.crclassic.com/ It's going to be great to see this car in action. From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:41:53 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO at CRC part 1 References: <9DEAC7A6-2FDA-4F4D-B221-7C3D28B25396@bnj.com> Message-ID: <31A3F2F1-21BF-4174-B0C6-1E0A9ECF9778@me.com> This in two parts since it's over the FOT limit: No, not mine, that's in bits and pieces. Joe Alexander is bringing his AMBRO to the CRC. Joe is unsure of how much he'll be racing it, the car hasn't been up to speed anywhere yet, but it will make it's maiden appearance at the John McCartney Triumph Tour in Minneapolis and then it will come to Portland. I'm posting a short story and pictures on the CRC site tonight. It's a GREAT looking car. With any luck at all it will at least be on the track for the Kastner Cup event. Incidentally, I don't know if any of you noticed the new schedule. It's still tentative as far as times go, but the Featured race will be the Kastner Cup race. You might also note that Horizon Racing immediately stepped up and sponsored the Kastner Cup race. SOVREN solicits sponsors to name the races at the CRC. Tony Garmey beat us all to the Kastner Cup race, but if anyone wants to name a race associated with Triumphs, the TR3s will probably all be in group 1, the TR4 and other production Triumphs will most likely be in group 2. I suspect the TR250 will be in group three and they'll toss Peyote in there as well so Tony can kick my butt. Contact SOVREN directly if you want to do this. Here's the particulars on race sponsorship and the races that are available for named sponsorship as of last week: THE COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC NEEDS YOU! The PNW Historics were great, Baxters is history, Mission will soon be history so lets look ahead to Labor Day Weekend. For 2009 SOVREN will again be presenting the Columbia River Classic in Portland on Labor Day weekend- Sept. 5-7. This year we are featuring Triumphs and are pleased to be hosting the 2009 Kastner Cup. We are determined to give you a high quality racing experience with the laid- back atmosphere that has been so popular at this event. As in previous years, we will share PIR with the All British Field Meet, making the venue a delight for sports car fans. Even more exciting news is that we have just learned that there will be no drag races at PIR either Friday or Saturday nights so we will have the whole paddock to ourselves and a peaceful evening for those who are camping at the track. Our popular Saturday night vintage party and the track BBQ have been rolled into one extravaganza at the track on Sunday night. There are many advantages to this- no long wait for that pesky bus or search for a parking space in St. Johns, no getting lost driving there, plenty of food for all and places to sit while enjoying it. We will have music, good food, and, of course, the vintage fashions, so dust off those vintage duds and be ready to rock on. How can you help? First, make sure you plan to enter the race and spread the word as you meet other vintage drivers. The deadline for the early bird entry fee is postmarked by August 10st so dont forget to get your entry in by then. We had 165 entrants last year and hope to have as many or more in 2009. If you want to be featured in the program we need your entry as soon as possible so please send it in earlier than the deadline!!!!! The deadline for getting the finished program to the ABFM is August 12th so we need to know if you are entering as soon as possible (and I promise I wont cash your entry check until September). From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:42:11 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 Message-ID: <0E2F8638-C977-45C1-87E5-3D990E5F0156@me.com> Second, consider being a race sponsor. To be able to complete our ambitious plans, we need to secure sponsors for each race so consider doing so for yourself or your company or with your race group. Your name will be listed as a race sponsor in the program and mentioned by our announcers several times during the event. Well even give you four free passes and an extra parking pass for the weekend! All this for just $250. Contact Judy Buckingham at (425) 277-3177 or rebjrmd at ix.netcom.com . Saturday, Sept. 5 & Sunday, Sept. 6 Group 1  Vintage & FV- $250 Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore Sat.  Porsche Friends of Bruce Ross Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore & Sportsracers Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 4- Historic Large Bore- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 5- Formula Cars Sat. Bonhams Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 6- Exhibition/CanAm- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun. #2 All Triumph Kastner Cup Race - $500 Sun. Horizon Racing Monday, Sept. 7 (2 Races each Group) Group 1  Vintage & FV #1 #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore #1 #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore #1 #2 Group 4 - Historic Large Bore #1 #2 Group 5- Formula Ford- #1 #2 Group 6  Exhibition  #1 #2 You can see we have lots of races and lots of opportunity for sponsorship. (NOTE- these groups may change depending on the entries received!) Another way to help would be to advertise your business in the program. It is distributed to all of the racers, all 800 participants in the All British Field Meet, and sold to spectators. Contact Doug Kirk at Douglas.k.kirk at boeing.com for ad specifications. Contact Judy Buckingham to order ad. Rates: 1/4 page - $100 1/2 page - $150 Full page $275 Inside front cover Bonhams Lets all work together to make the Columbia River Classic a great weekend. From markjwea at msn.com Tue Aug 11 05:48:44 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:48:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent Message-ID: Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 06:14:27 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276674.12891.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd, we can always use another Triumph. Welcome Rod. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/11/09, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: From: MARK J WEATHERS Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent To: fot at autox.team.net, rod.kent at cox.net Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:48 AM Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:18:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I bought one for my GT6 in 2000 from Conversion Components in New Zealand. I have no idea if they're still around. It's been a good conversion. I've enjoyed not having to change the trans every other year. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:42 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780908110519r4165ab1ds1310f84ce4a8f06d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:48 AM, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona > to > the FOT. WOW, I can't believe Rod Kent isn't already part of FOT. Second. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Yep, still around http://www.conversioncomp.co.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Aug 11 06:20:15 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:20:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:48, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA > National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he > moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage > racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a > wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, > especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of > you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 07:05:37 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shirts ordered Message-ID: <5818.90857.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I currently have orders for shirts from the following people: Joe Alexander Charles Arnold Bill Babcock John Borgen Dennis Carlson Robert Davis Tony Drews Andrea Garmey Chuck Gee Joseph Guinan John James Kas Irv Korey Lunker Andy Mace Charles Mitchel Barry Munson Jim Norlin Mark York The order for t-shirts went in this morning. If I have missed your name, please contact me. Thanks everyone. Ernie From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 07:37:10 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? Here, here. Second, third and more. Welcome Rod. > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 08:02:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota > 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar > that uses a Nissan tranny? I know this is not what you asked, but we had a local-ish dude show up at Day of Triumph a week or two ago who has a sweet looking setup that uses a T5 tranny... here's his web site: www.dupontmachining.com The setup uses a new cast bell housing and you need specific T5's (with mods), but it has the hydraulic throw out bearing and all that stuff. It can also fit all sorts of Triumphs, from what I gather. The dude seems to be a real British car enthusiast, he showed up at Day of Triumph in a sweet looking TVR2500 with the conversion in it. He's been making the rounds at the local-ish British car shows as I saw that car in pix from the annual Show of Dreams put on by British Cars of NH this weekend past. NFI, of course. But check it out. Speaking for myself, I'd have to say this is a nice looking setup. I believe he can also do custom stuff, for a price, of course. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 11 08:52:21 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:52:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Shirts by Ernie Husmann-ORDERS WANTED!!!! Message-ID: FOT Crew Shirts & T-Shirts see crclassic.com for samples and prices. Order now and often. Artwork is a nice composition of Triumph Logos and more. Kas will be available to sign the shirts....these will be keepers. Thanks to Ernie for taking on one of these thankless tasks that always take more time and effort than anyone believes. And thanks to Bill Babcock for putting on a show for the FOT that will be memorable. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 12:46:34 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:46:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A81BC8A.1060205@bradakis.com> Sigh. Yet another reason I'm regretting not being able to attend. mjb. From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:57:24 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will second Rod. He's a great guy and a good friend! Sam Halkias > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > CC: rod.kent at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > > > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Here, here. Second, third and more. > > Welcome Rod. > > > Thanks > > Mark Weathers > > 72 TR6 > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:36:14 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed Message-ID: Howdy to the list, I just thought I'd throw this one out there, i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Anybody willing to part with one?....................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:38:44 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coronado HMSA race Message-ID: Any body planning on this one? I'm taking my hmod and I'm pretty jazzed, even though you can barely call it racing..............................Cheers Henry Morrison From tom at squeelerracing.com Tue Aug 11 21:14:35 2009 From: tom at squeelerracing.com (Tom Kreger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:14:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent References: Message-ID: Rod is solid platinium!!! He has helped me with my TR since the 80's. I would love to see his 6 at some vintage events. Good guy. Tom Kreger Message ----- From: "MARK J WEATHERS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved > on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. > He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you > may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 21:58:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:58:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A823DF6.4020000@bradakis.com> > i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Do you need an entire assembly from the diff flange on out, including the hub and all, or just a rear axle piece from the sliding joint, no hub needed? mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 12 20:12:49 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:12:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Possible CRC trip Message-ID: <4A8376A1.9040702@bradakis.com> Well, there is a chance [ Why is it that when it comes to chances fat and slim mean the same?] I may actually attend the festivities over Labor Day weekend. Tony Drews will be heading through Salt Lake on his way from the Great Flat Spot, I may hitch a ride with him. So don't be surprised to see some blatantly commercial emails from me touting all the, uh, stuff I'll be putting on EBay over the next little while in an attempt to raise some traveling funds. I may even have something somebody actually wants! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 18:52:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Oh no, not again! Message-ID: <20090814005251.00E3C2E02D@bradakis.com> Seems that AOL has once again started blocking Team.Net. Why do I even bother? Sheesh. mjb. From markjwea at msn.com Fri Aug 14 05:25:36 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:25:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rod's correct email is rodkent at cox.net > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:39:07 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > Hi Mark, > > Can you please verify Rod's e-mail. rod.kent at cox.net does not see to be a > valid email address. > > Make sure you get the proper one to MJB. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 10:45:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Message-ID: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 12:37:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate In-Reply-To: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000201ca1d0e$54bef9b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Figured out the orientation of the plate, just need to know how you guys route the lines now. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 14 22:09:18 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:09:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] K&N Weber DCOE filters Message-ID: <4A8634EE.6040200@bradakis.com> While scrounging around in various piles of dusty, forgotten bits I found a pair of K&N air filters for DCOE carbs. I can't recall exactly why I have them, perhaps it was part of putting Webers on the L20B in my old Datsun pickup. Anyway, I don't need them, they are 3.5" deep and won't fit on any Spitfire applications I know of, perhaps TR2-4? Just thought I'd ask here before putting them on EBay. mjb. From wredinger at oppd.com Sat Aug 15 07:07:49 2009 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 Message-ID: Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 11:02:45 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue stripes and wheels. Bob From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:31:24 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote: > Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? Being a RHD model, I'll guess that it's nobody in the US... Neat looking car model, though. Not that I'm biased or anything, of course. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:34:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Bob Adams wrote: > Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue > stripes and wheels. Wow - nice looking car. I really like the color choice. No bias here... un uh. :-) > Bob rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 16 19:58:52 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Shameless self promotion Message-ID: <20090817015852.E7A092E0D6@bradakis.com> As I mentioned a few days ago, I have managed to put a few items up on Ebay lately, trying to turn some of this inventory into something I can use, money! Check http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfatchancegarage once in a while to see if anything you need shows up. Thanks, mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 20:12:49 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but found none. Appreciate any suggestions. Bob Blake From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 16 21:00:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090817030035.68F33187A73@autox.team.net> I back the bolts out of the rod cap partway and smack the head of the bolt with a rubber mallet. - Tony Drews At 09:12 PM 8/16/2009, Robert Blake wrote: >Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the >rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. >No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but >found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > >Bob Blake From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:15:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:15:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Robert....If it's been a long time since the car has run..don't pound hard...you might break the rings...You may as well have fun learning to freshen your engine....The correct way to do it is to..remove the head...It's really not tough..take your time...It's not like your daily driver that needs to be back on the road right away...If you're gettin' into the 'messy,' under the car stuff....then you deserve to enjoy the top end stuff to make up for it..remove the carbs...take off the head(wiggle it a bunch to unstick it)...The pistons will then push up to be removed..the canisters(sleeves) may want to pop up too, but that's ok because you're gonna replace the 'o rings under them)...with the pistons out....remove the rings(you're gonna replace them too.... What I'm gettin' at is....YOU CAN DO IT....Slowly follow the instructions in a shop manual...If you do not understand an instruction...read it over and over again...then..if you still don't understand it..ask one of us FOTers...We all had to learn this stuff..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:18:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that your head rested in!..Funny..but true... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 06:48:28 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:48:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <271B9682-CF9F-4269-AD69-16937B4D443F@bnj.com> Probably just oil sucking the bearing against the journal. Back all the nuts off as Tony says--a couple of turns, then rotate the crank a turn or two. some will come loose just by turning. take the rod you want to remove to bottom dead center and whack the nuts with a rubber mallet. You can whale on them, wont hurt anything . On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to > replace the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the > nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden > handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist > pin sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was > reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this > issue but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 08:52:57 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 08:49:11 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: <000001ca1f49$e24d7080$a6e85180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: To those of you who have experienced the Monterey Historics event, it's car heaven for vintage racers and enthusiasts. For the past thirty-six years, the event has been organized and run by Steve Earle. The big buzz at this year's event was SCRAMP (the group that oversees Laguna Seca since it's a county park) decided not to renew the contract with Earle. Lots of rumors running around the paddock about who would run the event and how it might change. Last night I received the following press release from the track that partially answered the question, see below. Other news is apparently a group headed by Bobby Rahal are formulating plans for a five race series for newer cars (TransAm, IMSA, FIA sports racers, Group C, etc) that will be spectator events, with points and trophies awarded in each class. The character of the events will possibly be similar to the Goodwood Revival. Rahal was at Laguna Seca for a meeting with track officials it looks like Laguna will be part of this series. No doubt we'll be hearing more about this in the coming months. Gary MONTEREY, Calif. (August 16, 2009) - The Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP) announced that it will be producing the historic races at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in 2010, and that General Racing, Ltd., the creator and producer of the Rolex Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for the last 36 years, will no longer be producing the event. SCRAMP will produce an event that reflects the prestige, integrity and quality that fans and participants expect of the vintage automobile races held at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. SCRAMP has contracted for the use of the trademark Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for 2010 and General Racing will assist SCRAMP for this transitional year. "This has certainly been a long and rewarding relationship with Steve Earle and General Racing," said Gill Campbell, CEO/general manager for Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. "SCRAMP has always admired Mr. Earle's creation, which has brought historic car racing to the enthusiast on such a level. We look forward to our 2010 event, scheduled from August 13-15, and beyond with the mission of continuing the tradition of historic automobile racing here while enhancing the enjoyment factor for the fans, participants and sponsors." SCRAMP has operated Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, the site of the Monterey Historic Automobile Races, for more than 50 years and, as a not-for-profit organization, has donated more than $12 million to the communities in and around the Monterey Peninsula. "SCRAMP is proud to continue the legacy General Racing began," Campbell added, "And we are excited about the prospect of opening a new chapter in historic racing at America's premier road racing circuit." Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca was established in 1957. The world-renowned raceway has been operated since its inception by the Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP), a not-for-profit 501C(4) corporation. Each race season, SCRAMP donates its net proceeds to the volunteer groups that help put on the races. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 09:01:46 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very inexpensive, like $30/pair. On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:52 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 09:20:46 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A89754E.60106@gmail.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. > However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as > the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very > inexpensive, like $30/pair. > I don't know if it is justified or not, but I just don't have as much faith is pattern reproduction brake cylinders as I did with genuine Gurling cylinders. I also suspect a sleeved cylinder would likely last longer between needing to be rebuilt. Teriann From munsonsb at telus.net Mon Aug 17 11:34:34 2009 From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Stock available notification from Veloce Publishing Message-ID: <28474561.1181185.1250530474705.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Aug 17 12:46:27 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What is your opinion? From cak at dimebank.com Mon Aug 17 13:11:58 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A89AB7E.6070709@dimebank.com> I have Sierra Specialty Automotive do my re-sleeving, after bad experiences with several other companies. He uses brass, and leaves you to do the rebuild. http://www.dimebank.com/monster/burst/00613.html That said - I tend to buy new these days for anything that is still available on the market, just because I know that my assembly environment is not as clean as that found in a factory. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 17 13:36:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:36:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Sun Aug 16 21:47:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Message-ID: Bah! Real racers work so late they fall asleep under the race car. (That's my true story) Back to the subject at hand, I rotate the crank around until the piston in question is at the bottom of it's path and tap on the cap as someone else suggested. The tricky replacement is the crank bearings. Push those out with a Popsicle stick pushing on one end. iii On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > > > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace >> the >> rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >> attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >> mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin >> sets. >> No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >> beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue >> but >> found none. Appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Bob Blake >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 17 17:41:10 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B6A3EF2-A8F3-4034-B852-4F522CFEAE14@wi.rr.com> No tubes. They add rotational weight (slower acceleration), they add to your sprung weight and they retain heat. Other than that, they're fine! Allen On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 18:01:26 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Tubes? They still make those? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Aug 17 18:35:42 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? A. 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > Tubes? They still make those? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 17 18:40:02 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A89F862.1090304@cyberspeedway.net> To seal press fits, porous welds and castings, and lock assembled fasteners, the Loctite 290 product can't be beat. I have used it on water jackets, 6000 psi hydraulic weldments, carburetors, etc. It is a wicking type sealant which is drawn into the smallest of openings. If it has been in service try to get the assembly as clean as possible with multiple sprayings of brake clean, acetone, alcohol, etc followed by compressed air blowings. Don't try to save money on the small bottle. Buy the 50 ml bottle as it has a much better tip and built in stopper. Greg Lund TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff > and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course > it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs > attention. > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the > way around? or ?? > > 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet > enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the > brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the > cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. > > Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a > reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? > > Other thoughts? > > Teriann > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 19:01:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:01:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: YES Nascar does use..inner tubes and/or inner tires/ liners..I do not know if it is required at all tracks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: ".Triumph List" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > > A. > > 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : >> Tubes? They still make those? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: >> >>> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >>> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the > last >>> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician >>> was >>> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except > that >>> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube >>> in > a >>> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 17 20:39:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com > References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> They are not inner tubes in the traditional sense. They are an inner tire. The have two places where the tires seat against the rim and two valve stems. They run like 20 psi higher in the inner tire than the outer one so the handling is OK. Every once in a while, the inner tire leaks and raises the pressure in the outer (real) tire. They call that "equalizing" and it really messes with the handling. The inner tire is to give some semblance of control when a tire bursts on a super speedway. They certainly help them in that case. Makes the wheel assembly heavy as heck. Back to the original tubes question, with panasports and any kind of tire - bias or radial, there's no reason to run tubes. Hoosier vintage TD, Dunlops, Hoosier speedsters, etc all hold air well enough. - Tony Drews At 07:35 PM 8/17/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > >A. > >2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > > Tubes? They still make those? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > > > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama > >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the >last > >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was > >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except >that > >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in >a > >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Aug 17 22:19:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:19:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The only time I have found it is beneficial to run tubes in tires is if you run solo II. It helps to keep the heat in the tires between runs. I found this out when I started running the Pro Solo series. Most of the fast guys had tubes and it was easy to spot if you looked at their valve stems. It seemed to make only a little difference but all those little things add up. Mike From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 17 21:30:03 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? mjb. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Aug 18 05:54:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:54:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? References: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8F1C43D48A29418287CBE696C53B256E@Elliott> There is an excellent explanation by Clive Elsdon in Bristol England on this. Go to the link : - http://www.britishcarlinks.com/technical_articles_page.htm Scroll down to the section on "Interiors". -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? > So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not > explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering > column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort > of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, > but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a > used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these > control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:10:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: Amici... Hold your thumbs. Chances are what happens will directly relate to the players involved. Reminds me of times many years back when Joe Marchetti was 'eased out' of his CHICAGO HISTORICS event at ROAD AMERICA. The event evolved into the likes of the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), and now the KIC (Kohler International Challenge). That event continues to be very big and popular, thanks to George Bruggenthies' ongoing finger prints, who actually used to run the event for Marchetti. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:16:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:16:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: In a message dated 08/18/2009 8:40:36 AM Central Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top > of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle > that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > Back in England, at the A/H works, those "Unwashed Mechanics" were known as "thickos", and used to run "shade tree teams" against the works team. Hence, with help and urging from Wm. Severin Thompson, in the vintage family we have "Team Thicko" in their honor. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 09:37:48 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:37:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! Message-ID: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 10:01:40 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:01:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... Message-ID: Amici... You should'a been there. It was nice. Last Saturday night, a very informal memorial was held out on TURN ONE at GRATTAN RACEWAY. It was made up mostly of Group Two (vintage production based racers), but a lot of others came as well. It started slowly as Tony Drews, his daughter Tori, Bob Wismer, Shirley and I started the long walk down the front straight to corner one. But one by one the group kept getting bigger and bigger. People came. They paid their respects, and then left. At times the number, standing in a circle at any one time numbered 35 or 40 strong. In honor of Uncle Jack's other loves, many were smoking good cigars, and there were several bottles of single malted Scotch being past around the circle. It was good stuff too. You know...the stuff they keep back up there by the mirror. Not that junk down on the rail. We took turns telling tales about Uncle Jack. Lots of racer, and mechanical stuff, but also lots of deep personal things about Jack's multifaceted personality. Dry eyes became scarce when Tony spoke of his days in the garage and at the track with Dad. When Tori talked about her grandpa, and his loving ways, it was very emotional. What a guy! We were all privileged to know him. Those Scotch bottles were soon empty, and we left them standing in the gravel in the bank where Jack's gorgeous TR4 ended up last August. Still thinking about Jack, we all then made the long trek back to our race paddocks. We finished with a traditional Beady Eye Wine and Cheese party in Garage #8. The good Scotch was gone, but there was plenty fine wine, good Wisconsin cheese, and some tasty stuff someone brought up from the southern edge of Kentucky. It came in unmarked mason jars. One jar tasted like apple pie, another like cherry, and one like lemonade...but all three kicked like a mule. Like I said...you should'a been there. It was nice...good for the soul. Bill Dentinger PS We walked away from the memorial smarter too. Tony Drews and I both agree, that if you are going to hold any kind of function out in the kitty litter...be sure you don't wear flip flops or sandals. Walking in the kitty litter is like walking in 12" of quick sand (only with BIG kernels). That space between you feet and the flip flops sure fills up fast. Pictures are scarce, but I did get several. I'll try to post them, but may need some help. I don't always get along with my vintage (kerosene powered) computer. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 18 10:18:40 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:18:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT & Portland's Kastner Cup Message-ID: List, I will have 3" x 5" FOT stickers at the Portland event. I owe Joe Curry for these stickers and anxious to sell as many as I can. (I can also send stickers to non Portland attendees) I suppose that 1 for $5, 2 for 7, 3 for $10 including postage might work. Send money to FOT: FOT, 645 1st Street, Jesup, Iowa 50648 Mark Bradakis will be our Guest of Honor at Portland, if he chooses to accept our invitation. Please take the time to thank Mark for all he has contributed to the FOT. We would not exist but for his computer support. This clearly will be an exceptional event. There are reports of folks flying in from all over the country, to be with us at this event, though they will not be towing. Also thanks to Bill Babcock for his involvement with SOVERN and this event. Clearly we need to thank Ernie Husmann for coordinating the EVENT SHIRTS. Thanks, Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Aug 18 10:27:14 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:27:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! In-Reply-To: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> References: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> Message-ID: AOL is a disease. Expunge it from your computer with extreme prejudice. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FOT LIST Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Good grief! So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Aug 18 11:26:52 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings Message-ID: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 Spitfire. The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a trip to the alignment rack. Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a starting point? My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear toe-in toe-out. What should I set this to? Thanks! Robert MacKenzie Austin TX 78 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 17:04:23 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CBEE6F5C676AAB-AF4-52FF@webmail-md13.sysops.aol.com> Shouldn't have to use a tube in radial tires at all, street or race.? Save the weight and eliminate the tubes all around, radials are heavy enough.? As far as failure, if no visible puncture through the tire into the tube I could only guess. Best of luck, Bob T. ( Toyo R888 as rains w/ no tubes) -----Original Message----- From: steve To: Jerry Barr ; .Triumph List Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:13:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: <9D5F42415A8D423CB345DBBCD2A64193@Bud> I think this is DAVID NELSON Racer Bud http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6733_117326504642_993 51444642_2244031_7370513_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:24:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: Great photo of STIRLING MOSS at Monterey by Gary Anderson..Editor of 'THE STAR'...Mercedes Magazine Racer Bud http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:27:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] try again STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: <63C42EE70BEE4C379C3B6ED097F9D1D9@Bud> photo by Gary Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:25 PM http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 19:03:18 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings References: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> Message-ID: <61064EB4C6B94359AC989114527FB701@steven2sbouwlk> I use 1/16 toe in front, 1/32 toe in rear, made a world of difference on my 63 Spit Steve Groh SVRA 393 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings >I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 > Spitfire. > > The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a > trip > to the alignment rack. > > > > Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a > starting point? > > > > My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear > toe-in > toe-out. > > What should I set this to? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Robert MacKenzie > > Austin TX > > 78 1500 (Street) > > 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) > > robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as sgroh1 at comcast.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 20:55:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:55:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B69B2.70506@bradakis.com> Thank you. After this morning's whining tirade about AOL, I needed a reminder of why it is I do what I do. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 00:43:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090819064305.175EF2E077@bradakis.com> Thanks for all the responses. Turns out that by the time I got to the shop this morning Mike had already called TRF and had a new unit on the way, so I didn't need to tell him about all the options I had come up with. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 08:58:05 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires Message-ID: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 19 09:12:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires In-Reply-To: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> References: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: A-N-T tires is almost certainly going to be there. If they are not present at the track they are about a half mile away from PIR. You should give them a call to make certain that they have what you need. Fred will set you up. (503) 236-2106 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm > assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 22 14:57:15 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HANS USERS BEWARE Message-ID: <45F399375DF64B67B22EDBB7EBA8DF6C@INSPIRON> Hope fully this will not effect anyone but I am passing it along,for everyone's safety. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: teamdi.com To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: HANS USERS BEWARE Dear Customers I thought we should pass along the following information to you just released from Hans today. This is the second major thing coming from Impact Racing regarding safety. The first issue was some of their suits did not have the proper SFI certification and now this on counterfeit parts. This guy has been in the business for over 30 years with a very well and trusted name by racers around the world. We do not carry the line nor will we ever. Personally I do not trust this company or their products. Regardless for your safety please see if you are affected by this. I applaud Hans for their quick response to this problem. Please read below: HANS FINDS COUNTERFEIT ANCHORS - LAUNCHES FREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM Atlanta, Georgia (August 19, 2009) - HANS Performance Products has found counterfeit Post Anchor parts on a helmet purchased from Impact Racing Products. Preliminary investigations suggest that counterfeit parts may have been supplied with other helmets provided by Impact. "We are seeking the source of the counterfeit anchors and to establish how widely they may have been distributed," said HANS CEO Mark Stiles. He continued, "It is extremely possible that counterfeits may have been installed on other helmets, either factory-fitted by a helmet manufacturer or by racers installing replacement parts during equipment changes." The only counterfeit parts identified so far look like HANS' current "Professional" Post Anchors, which are designed to offer robust durable service - these have a "teardrop" shaped head to the "post" and an aluminum base engraved with HANS, SFI and FIA markings. Other Post Anchor designs, such as the similar current "Standard" version, which have the same teardrop post but a simpler black plastic base, and older designs which had a round shaped head to the post, do not seem to have been counterfeited. Stiles said, "If racers want to check their Professional Series Post Anchors, one quick test is to touch a magnet to the post. The posts used in all our designs since July 2005 are magnetic. The posts on the counterfeits we have seen are not magnetic." He continued, "Our earlier designs used a non-magnetic material for the post, so a non-magnetic post is not necessarily a counterfeit, but it is a reason why a racer should contact us for more information." The link below shows what to look for when testing the Post Anchor. http://nsvirtualurl.com/core/media/media.nl?id=2634&c=337809&h=d02ae9a6a725bb dbb4f2 To&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9zeXN0ZW0ubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t ensure all racers have confidence in their safety equipment, HANS is implementing a program to replace any counterfeit Post Anchors free of charge. Details of the program, other information and program updates are available at hansdevice.com, or by calling HANS direct at 1-888-HANS-999, or contacting one of the 200 authorized North American HANS factory trained dealers nationwide. The HANS Device is the #1 choice for performance, #1 for vision and #1 for winners. Details and information about HANS Performance Products are available at www.hansdevice.com or by calling 1-888-HANS-999 or 770-457-1046. Sincerely, Robert Zecca www.teamdi.com Unsubscribe me from this contact list From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 19 15:52:26 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC - Kastner Cup Message-ID: <6E2F5BFD-9F3A-4127-9A41-C7A3FEE75947@earthlink.net> Hello All, Would those attending the Kastner Cup race please contact me off-list? Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:05:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have some track experience. -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 19 20:11:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:11:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work themselves loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast steel and will weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? Teriann ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 08:29:13 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <39F57ABE-DCD0-499E-A2CC-A5A24171B443@bnj.com> I second that. The pins are pushed into holes in the tubing very close to the edge of the tube and it can easily break out. I've had it happen to two rear ends. The banjo welds nicely as do the tubes. I run short beads about an inch long, spaced about an inch apart. Permanent fix. On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work > themselves > loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast > steel and will > weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle > tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all > the > way around? or ?? > > Teriann > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 > x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Thu Aug 20 08:31:21 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] AOL users - throw off your chains! Message-ID: <200908201431.n7KEVLDK023906@moose.dimebank.com> I saw this in the NYT this morning, and thought that mjb would appreciate it if some of the AOL holdouts would make the switch: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/mail-and-contact-import-for-everyone.html Basically, it gives the steps for moving your mail from AOL to GMail, including importing contacts and snagging your AOL mail for 30 days. Best, chris From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 09:26:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:26:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02F24B23-5225-48B5-96A2-4E096056AA5E@bnj.com> Thanks for mentioning this Chuck. The Lotus Club runs a fine track day. If you have any issues you'd like to shake out before the race days this is ideal. Any of you guys coming with street cars that have a rollbar and appropriate gear, this is a great opportunity to try out a fine track at your choice of speed. The club is very open to street cars, I've driven my Ferrari during this track day in the past. They do separate cars according to speed potential so you don't have to worry about being on the track with something that's passing you with a 100+ speed differential. It's a lot of track time--they run the thing efficiently. By the end of the day there are usually only a few cars on track per session--everyone has had enough. Joe, this might be ideal for shaking out the AMBRO On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 20 16:07:36 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size Message-ID: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 16:59:40 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4340970F-2C2A-4897-9467-6404F48FF7C7@bnj.com> I think it depends on what you plan to do about bias bar or proportioning. You can get away with 3/4 fron and 3/4 rear with a bias bar and enjoy the simplicity of only needing one rebuild kit. I think most folks like a smaller rear though to allow lower pressure and a more mid-bar adjustment for bias. On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Bob wrote: > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Aug 21 07:32:59 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A6B4CA38574B63BC92BFC9227848FA@Pendys> Chuck, Please remember that SAAC NW (shelby club) also is putting on a track day on the following tuesday sept. 8 for those of you that may be staying over. The cost is 160.00 for 4 20. min.sessions. Sometimes we are able to squeese 5 in if we don't have any issues on track. We get the first run group out at 9:00 and try and be wrapped up by 4:30-5:00. All cars are welcome,( even rentals) Looking forward to meeting some FoT'ers at the ABFM/CRC. Thanks, Mark Pendy #65 TR4 Anyone showing interest may contact me at 503-550-2144 cell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day >I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 11:45:42 2009 From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CCFE8C0-5C32-435D-A9A8-7F2BB0EB5F6C@kenalu.com> Great idea Judy, I didn't think of it. I'll mention this to the FOT. Please do arrange for this and include it in the schedule. On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > Hi, Bill- Do you have any plans for a group photo of all of the > Triumphs? We were talking about this > last night at the Comp. meeting. Last year the FFords all went down > to the Festival Turns Saturday during the 2 hr. > lunch break and had the photo. We can arrange for a photographer we > think- Shari Jackson, Miles wife, did it last year. > But maybe you have your own plans. Let us know if we should include > this in the schedule of events. > > Judy From BILLB at BNJ.COM Fri Aug 21 12:06:19 2009 From: BILLB at BNJ.COM (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:06:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party Message-ID: <63175022-9F45-410A-88D0-50635D795133@BNJ.COM> The Peyote Birthday party will be at the track instead of at our house. This will make it much easier for everyone to attend, and the birthday boy gets to be there too. I thought I should pre-announce that in case some folks are getting cars in anticipation of needing to make that drive. We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can probably just graze in the paddock. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 21 13:53:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:53:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with the adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it would give maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know how much you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs testing. As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:05:25 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:05:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Actually Chris if you increase the size of the master cylinder you decrease the force at the slave cylinder so you need MORE force at the pedal. I'm sure you know that, probably just came out wrong. On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:53 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with > the > adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it > would give > maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know > how much > you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs > testing. > > As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change > something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size > > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rblake36 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 14:23:46 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator Message-ID: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on the fritz and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and repairing the orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road and to do so I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold under the name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the old one for repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units and if so how reliable are they? Bob Blake From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:30:02 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator In-Reply-To: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1011C5C9-1827-4847-906B-83EF8637CC73@bnj.com> Yup, they're fine. I've used the one-wire version. Bulletproof. On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on > the fritz > and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and > repairing the > orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road > and to do so > I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold > under the > name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the > old one for > repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units > and if so > how reliable are they? > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:11 2009 From: Bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: I'm going to have to send this in four chunks because of the size limit on the FOT list, Please pardon that. I'll also post it on the CRC website. This is some additional information about the CRC that SOVREN sends to the racers. I expect you folks attending will find it useful whether you're racing or not. Don't forget to bring some vintage duds for the Sunday Night party. I remember clears as if it were yesterday when Uncle Jack and Joe visited and wore vintage clothes to the party. When I asked where Uncle Jack got his perfect Full Cleveland leisure suit from, he said "From my closet"!! Vintage dress is also encouraged for Peyote's Birthday Party on Saturday Night. The Birthday Party will be in the Triumph ghetto, around Nero (My Airstream). Begin forwarded message: > From: "Richard Buckingham, Jr" > Date: August 21, 2009 1:22:08 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Columbia River Classic > > Thank you for entering the 7th Annual Columbia River Classic at > Portland International Raceway on Sept. 5-7. We will be sharing the > facility with the ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET on Saturday and Sunday. > They will have over 800 cars on display and a variety of activities > including a slalom on part of the PIR course, an off-road > adventure on the motocross course, and a swap meet. We especially > welcome > this year Kas Kastner and a large contingent of Triumphs who will be > participating in the 2009 Kastner Cup Race on Sunday. We think that > it should be a great weekend for racers and spectators alike- > you will be able to overdose of car stuff. > > > PADDOCK PARKING: On Friday PIR is rented by the Lotus Club during > the day. If you are planning to register and set up on Friday (which > we strongly encourage), the best window of opportunity will be > between Noon and 6:00PM. Al Murray and his crew will be there to > help you find your assigned space. IF YOU ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION > HOURS ON FRIDAY, PLEASE SHOW THIS LETTER TO > THE GATE SECURITY PERSONNEL FOR ADDMITTANCE TO THE PADDOCK. > > You will receive one parking pass, which will allow one street > vehicle in the paddock. There will also be one crew parking pass > available for each entry, which will allow one vehicle in the > designated crew > parking area inside the gate. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:49 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part deux Message-ID: <3538B599-6AE8-4945-BFB3-E5FF09C723B1@me.com> > REGISTRATION: Registration will be held at a trailer outside the > Main Gate at PIR. It is in the first parking lot as you turn into > the PIR property. Registration hours are: > Friday, Sept. > 4 12 PM  6 PM > Saturday, Sept, > 5 7 AM  2 PM > Sunday, Sept. > 6 7 AM  2 PM > Monday, Sept. > 7 8 AM  12 PM (at Main > Entrance to PIR) > > Each driver must sign a waiver at Registration before they can take > their car on the track. Please bring your racing license to > Registration. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A VALID COMPETITION LICENSE. > Advise your crew that they will need to come to Registration in > person to sign the waiver and receive their wristband. You are > allowed three crew passes plus the driver. Overbuys are $10 for a 3 > day pass. > YOUR CREW WILL HAVE TO PAY THE $10 ADMISSION ($20 for 3 days) IF > THEY ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION IS CLOSED. No will call arrangements > can be made for this event, and ABFM ticket > takers cannot sign in crew. > > We have had problems in the past with Drivers speeding past the > volunteer gate attendants without proper parking credentials and > crew passes. Please be courteous to these volunteers and follow their > directions. Dont try to sneak extra people in - you are cheating > SOVREN and the ABFM and compromising our liability insurance! > > TECH: Tech inspectors will at be at the track on Friday afternoon. > Tech will be held Saturday beginning at 7AM. You will be teched in > your paddock area on Friday and in the Pre-grid area as is usual at > PIR on Saturday morning. > > FRIDAY TESTING: As stated previously, the Lotus Club has rented the > track on Friday. There will be limited opportunities for testing > available. Telephone John Long at (425) 822-1368 days or Mark > Viskov at (503) 641-7693 for information and to make arrangements. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:24 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part C Message-ID: <53DB0732-AB59-4A2B-A848-60CDCD6AEF36@me.com> > MOTELS: While we have not blocked motel rooms, there are many > accommodations nearby. > > Best Western Inn at the Meadows - (503) 286-9600  mention ABFM for > their room block > Courtyard by Marriott- (503) 735-1818 > Red Lion at the Quay, Vancouver- (360) 695-8341 > Homewood Suites, Vancouver - (360) 695-8341 > > FEATURED RACES: On Saturday afternoon we have scheduled our > traditional BATTLE OF BRITAIN Race, which is a handicap race open to > all British race cars entered in the event. On Sunday > afternoon we will feature The 2009 Kastner Cup Race for all Triumph > and Triumph powered racing cars. If your car fits these features, > please plan to participate. > > ELECTRONIC TIMING: We will be using our AMB timing system. If you > have a rechargeable transponder, DO NOT FORGET TO CHARGE YOUR UNIT. > Rental units may be picked up at Registration > Saturday morning and must be returned to Drivers Services before > you leave the event. > > DRIVERS MEETINGS: The mandatory Drivers Meetings will be held in > the Tower Grandstand at 8:30AM Saturday and Sunday and Monday. BE > THERE! > > SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES: A tentative schedule is included with this > letter. If there is a change in schedule, a new schedule will be > distributed at Registration. Because of the sound variances, we had > constraints on when we could schedule the louder groups so the order > of the groups varies from day to day. Please check your schedule > each day. The really good news is that each participant will get > over 2 hours of track time and 5 races at this event and still get > an early start home on Monday. > > SOVREN Novice drivers for 2009 should be sure to note the debriefing > meetings Saturday and Sunday at the noon break. > > SOUND VARIANCE: We have a sound variance from the city of Portland > for the Exhibition group at 112 dBA and Groups 3 and 4 at 108 dBA, > with black-flag at 110 dBA, measured 50 feet from the track. > Other groups will be black flagged at 105 dBA. The start time of > some groups is affected by the sound variance. > > SOCIAL ACTIVITIES: > Sunday night: There will be a bar-b-que dinner in the party tent > for racers, crews and race volunteers on Sunday evening. This is > the time to dust off your vintage duds, dress up and be prepared to > rock on. > We plan to combine the best of our previous block parties with the > convenience of being on-site. Each entrant will receive 2 tickets > for the dinner with their entry. If you wish to purchase additional > tickets for the > party, please contact me as soon as possible as we have to give the > caterer a number before the weekend. Ticket price is $20 each for > the barbecue dinner and a beverage. Good music, yummy food, crazy > costumes- who can ask for more? > > Please remember that Saturday morning 800 All British Field Meet > cars will be arriving at the track at the same time you are > arriving. Plan accordingly and come early. We will try hard to > make things run as > smoothly as possible. If you have questions, you may contact Al > Murray at (425) 487-1902, or me at (425) 277-3177. > > We are looking forward to seeing you and your crew in Portland! > Judy Buckiingham From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:43 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part IV Message-ID: <37A984BA-83A7-4DC5-85A2-B38672FDB6C5@me.com> > REVISED 2009 COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC SCHEDULE > > RACE GROUPS > > Group 1 - VINTAGE & Formula V, & selected Small Bore Historic > > Group 2 - HISTORIC Small Bore > > Group 3 - HISTORIC Mid Bore & Large Bore & Sportsracers > > Group 4 - FORMULA Cars > > Group 5  FORMULA & EXHIBITION > > Friday Sept. 4 > > 12:00 - 6:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 12:00 - 5:00 Tech Inspection in your paddock location > > > > Saturday Sept. 5 > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 7:00 - ? Tech Inspection in pre-grid area > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:00 Track familiarization for drivers new > to PIR  in front of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:25 Group 1 Practice & Qualifying > > 9:35 - 10:00 Group 2 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:10 -10:35 Group 4 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:45 -11:10 Group 3 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:20 -11:45 Group 5 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > Group photo of Kastner Cup competitors in Festival > Turns > > 2:05 - 2:25 Group 5 Race #1 > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 3 Race #1 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 1 Race #1 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 2 Race #1 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 4 Race #1 > > 4:35 - 4:55 BATTLE OF BRITAIN Handicap Race- open to > all British race cars > > 5:00 Worker party- Fast Track Cafe > > 5:00 - ? Road course clear  ABFM track activities > > > > Sunday Sept. 6 > > 7:30 Chapel Service > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 8:55 - 9:15 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 4 Race #2 > > 9:55 - 10:15 Group 2 Race #2 > > 10:25 -10:45 Group 1 Race #2 > > 10:55 -11:15 Group 3 Race #2 > > 11:25 -11:45 Group 5 Race #2 > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > 2:00 - 2:25 KASTNER CUP RACE- all Triumph & Triumph > powered race cars > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 5 Race #3 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 3 Race #3 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 4 Race #3 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 2 Race #3 > > 4:35 - 4:55 Group 1 Race #3 > > 5:30 - ? BAR-B-QUE dinner in the party > tent at track- vintage dress encouraged > > > > Monday Sept. 7 > > 8:00 - 12:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower > Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:20 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 1 Race #4 > > 9:50 - 10:10 Group 2 Race #4 > > 10:20 -10:40 Group 3 Race #4 > > 10:45 -11:05 Groups 4 & 5 Race #4 > > 11:15 -11:35 Group 1 Race #5 > > 11:40 -12:00 Group 2 Race #5 > > 12:10 -12:30 Group 3 Race #5 > > 12:35 -12:55 Group 4 & 5 Race #5 > > > 1:00 Lunch & Worker's party at Fast Track Cafi From BILLB at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 17:49:56 2009 From: BILLB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:49:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Peyote Birthday Party References: <7701F148-1B0D-4EEF-87BC-6679DD27197C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Diane confirms that she will have alternate cuisine for those who prefer to eat further down the food chain. Face-eating refers someone who told us she didn't eat anything with a face. To which I replied "How about Oysters?". I guess I needed sensitivity training. Begin forwarded message: > From: Diane Jenkins > Date: August 21, 2009 1:05:07 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party > > I'll have veggie burgers on hand to aid downsizing or non-face > eating efforts. > Di > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> No problemo, Irv, though you know Lamb is the other, other white >> meat. Nothing is required but your smiling face and an appetite. >> >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Irv Korey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>> We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch >>> of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the >>> food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. >>> Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me >>> know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind >>> of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can >>> probably just graze in the paddock. >>> >>> Well, I'm not vegan, lacto, ove, nuevo, whatevero, but if there >>> could be a chicken breast or a veggie burger, that would certainly >>> help me with my downsizing program. And, I'd be happy to bring a >>> batch of either, or both, as my contribution to Peyote's birthday >>> party. Or anything else (wine, cheese, chips, whatever). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Irv From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 21 20:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux C doe. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 20:08:05 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2DD20C07-6A15-49FA-AB13-2B0F8FD281AE@bnj.com> I try to keep you on yer toez. But I confess I didn't think of that. On Aug 21, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux > C doe. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 22 07:55:53 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Austin-Healeys are going to Bonneville, Utah Message-ID: Not Triumph, but definitely cool. Paul Would you please pass this along to Boot 'n Bonnet members. Jim Reid and Martha McIntyre hosted Charles Matthews when he was here for the A-H Conclave - - this information will be in our next SPANNER, but because the speed attempts will be in September, it would be timely for our membership to have this information now. These attempts are to recreate the Austin-Healey record setting speed runs at Bonneville in 1954 (a fact that helped sell cars!!) Lois Logan Dear Lois, It was delightful to meet you at the conclave, and I hope that you have recovered from all your hard work. I had a good journey back home and have been very busy with historic car racing festivals and lots of people staying in my home. Jim passed along your message regarding information for the next edition of the SPANNER. The latest news on the Healeys Return to Bonneville project ... I am delighted to let you know that both the cars have now left Australia and are on their way to Seattle, where they are due to arrive on the 28th August. I attach an image of the cars before they left Australia. The teams' schedule is for the cars to go to John Wilson's workshop (Healey Lane Restorations) in Eugene, Oregon after clearing US customs. They will then be on show at the Portland All British Car Field Meeting from 5th to 7th September before going to Miller Motorsports Park on Saturday 12th for the AHCA Bonneville Clubs event. Technical inspection for the world of Speed starts on Monday 14th, and the event starts on Wednesday 16th. If the cars are successful, then they will run on Thursday and maybe even Friday. Dave Maxwell (AHCA Bonneville) in conjunction with Wendover City council are setting up a technical forum in the community centre for 19.00 on Wednesday evening where the whole team will be present together with Gordon Whitby (original Austin mechanic at the record runs) and Ron Christensen (USFRA historian). I am very pleased to let you know that Roy Jackson-Moore (one of the last survivors of the 1954 record team) will be attending the event, and I am travelling with him, arriving in Salt Lake City at midnight on Thursday 10th September. We hope that Carroll Shelby will also be joining the team. Carroll has some health issues, so his decision will be last minute ... we are keeping our fingers crossed that he will be well enough to join us on the salt. Charles Matthews Team Manager teammanager at healeysreturntobonneville.com www.healeysreturntobonneville.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A-H Streamliner & Endurance Cars July 09.jpg] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 22 09:36:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question Message-ID: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to figure out some alternate arrangement. Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 22 10:59:46 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:59:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question In-Reply-To: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> References: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0B415045-F237-45DE-B1D9-1CEF5919394E@bnj.com> It's mostly paved. Usually we set up in the grass pits, but there may not be any with the All British Field Meet there. If we can get in the grass we will. I tie my canopy to the car and my trailer even when I'm in the grass. PIR is not generally windy, though you never know. I've seen an occasional flying canopy there, but nothing like Sears Point (Infineon) On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to > pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to > figure out some alternate arrangement. > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 22 11:00:00 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR Danville 300 April 18, 1971 TR4 #67 Message-ID: <001401ca2349$fcae3320$0d00a8c0@latitudefb1e41> Does anyone know anything about this car or the drivers? Danville 300 Virginia International Raceway, Danville, Virginia Date: 18/4/1971 Finishers: 22 Pole position: Fastest lap: Distance: 300 miles, Average speed: 121,31 kmh Weather: Ruleset: IMSA GT Car info: GTO, GTU, TO, TU, A and B Pos Pos in class # Team / Entrant Drivers, Nationality Engine Engine Group Car- Engine vol. (cc) Type DNF 8 67 Derek Sims, USA 1991 L4 GTU Triumph TR4 Howard Smith, USA From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 22 23:03:41 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] List interruption Message-ID: <20090823050341.2E4462E0B6@bradakis.com> First off, let me say thanks to those who have recently contributed to the continued running of Team.Net - I do appreciate it. I think I have all the AOL folks back on the list as before. If you're an AOL subscriber and you didn't get this email, let me know ;-) Monday, August 24, the local power company will be doing some work in my neighborhood. Power may be off here at the house for several hours. I'll be shutting down the servers that morning, and they could be off until later that afternoon. So if you send off a message and don't see it for a while, or you can't get to the archives or forums, be patient, things will get back to normal. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 17:10:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:10:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice looking TR3 Message-ID: <4A91CC59.3020803@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16 Gee, I should have taken a picture of the nice shiny new control head I put in the steering column the other day. mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 19:15:26 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt lube and torque specs Message-ID: <506791.48246.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Anybody have a line on where to get ARP bolt lube and a reference for APR 2000 torque specs? Bob Blake From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 24 17:48:29 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: <4A9326CD.4050501@bradakis.com> A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 24 18:33:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: It's awful. Must have been the power of suggestion from Gary Fuqua. I still itch from two years ago. I went to the EAA Covention with it in 2007 and ate 800 mg. Ibuprofen. I think a shot at early onset can mitigate the symptoms. Otherwise, the shot will nearly prevent future cases of it. Hope it isnt shingles. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:12:27 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 Message-ID: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> List Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. Thanks, Greg Lund From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:22:42 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod Kent Welcome Message-ID: <4A934AF2.8070609@cyberspeedway.net> List, Rod will be a welcome addition to our ranks. I crewed for Rod for 15 years and would never have learned my Tr6 stuff without his help. He will always help out a friend in trouble at the track. We had a lot of fun and he is a consumate sportsman. I noticed his lap times always picked up when he had a Porsche in front to chase, especially Wolfgang. Greg Lund From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 24 20:27:10 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 In-Reply-To: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> References: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> Message-ID: <20090825022800.E1F32187659@autox.team.net> Picture of the car on the first page of this PDF http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOAOct72.pdf At 07:12 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >List > Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? > There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. >Thanks, >Greg Lund >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 24 20:47:51 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:47:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2009 7:51:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. ==AM== Well, if you hadn't had chicken pox as a child, you wouldn't have shingles now. Let that be a lesson to you. Heck, it took Letterman a month to recover: _http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamur phy/main547111.shtml_ (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamurphy/main547111.shtml) Best wishes for a quick recovery! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 15:43:06 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing For Charity Message-ID: Hi, This is pure unadulterated spam, so feel free to hit delete now. I wanted to "ring" all of you about what I'm doing this weekend. I'll be "racing against leukemia" with my Sports Car Club of America friends. In short, pretty much all the money collected the weekend for pledge runs in the autocross, a time, speed, distance rallye, road racing, track tours, etc. will all be turned over to the UMass Memorial Foundation earmarked for Leukemia research. Please go to: http://www.firstgiving.com/robertlang1 and consider making a donation of any size. If you're in a $$$ squeeze, don't frett, the site will accept donations up 'till 30-NOV-2009 And _tell your friends and extended family_, please. Thanks so much. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 10:02:50 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Aug 26 16:00:00 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fot art de armand reinstate new email provider 'riverside @southslope.net' In-Reply-To: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <8CBF4AFB151E02E-13EC-383F8@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> I nominate Art De Armand for reinstatement.?? He says he misses us. -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: fot Joe ? thanks for helping me get back with the group ? ? art From niteseeker at mac.com Wed Aug 26 16:15:26 2009 From: niteseeker at mac.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: <3B2E0DBF-4695-45EA-9AF9-56DC152468AD@mac.com> Sorry to post here but am trying to save a spitfire from the crusher or me from a tongue lashing for buying another car A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 26 16:36:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: <0DD31B95-2F22-4CCC-84CC-DD714F5CC440@bnj.com> Scott, where are you located? I have a fairly new pacer that I plan to sell cheaply. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but > extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating > that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm > looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - > are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas > consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good > or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford > to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 23 09:10:14 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TTA in Iowa Lunch with John Macartney and the Stag known as 'uncle jack' Message-ID: <8CBF21AF3D1222A-8A8-6895@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Lists Right now the plan is to meet at the Clear Lake Perkins restaurant for lunch at 11:30AM this Friday. This is the intended handoff from Omaha to Minneapolis. If you are within striking distance and would like to join us for lunch, please do. I-80 and I-35?will likely be the limited exposure he will have to our wonderful state. Regards, Joe Alexander ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Aug 26 16:07:55 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 26 21:22:34 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pixs from the Historics Message-ID: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> IF your TR is numbered 29, 34 or 116 and you were at the Monterey Historics they are pictured in the September Newsletter that I just published on the DCTRA website. http://www.dctra.org/News/Sep2009.pdf Along with a munched Ferrari Link to the complete on-line DCTRA Newsletter archive http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Aug 27 04:24:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Transport in NE? Empty Trailer Available Message-ID: I should be returning this coming Saturday & Sunday (8/29 & 30) with an empty car hauler from Buffalo, via Brewster, NY, through White Plans, through NJ, through Philadelphia, finishing in Reading, PA, if anyone is looking for a car to be transported. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 27 12:21:11 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 available cheap Message-ID: <390292.77826.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, My best friend's neighbor is being foreclosed upon. He has a 71 TR6 that's been in his back yard for many years that needs to go away quickly. Car is just west of Madison WI in Cross Plains. It is complete but interior and body are rough. That's about all I know. If anyone has interest in saving it from the crusher, please contact Loren Ziglin at 608-219-0870 cell or 608-798-4826 home. If any FOT has interest I could possibly help with transport and short-term local storage. I just have no room or interest for another project. Gary Schneider From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 28 07:09:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:09:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advice to clerify car handling In-Reply-To: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> References: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walther Roehl said once about oversteer and understeer. If you can see the tree you hit, then it is understeer. If you only can hear the tree, then it was oversteer. ;-) Cheers Chris and happy listening From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 28 16:06:00 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test run, sort of Message-ID: <4A9854C8.2070900@bradakis.com> Karen and I will soon be heading down to Cedar City, a few hundred miles south of Salt Lake. Even with the meds the doctor gave me for shingles, I am still in a fair amount of pain and discomfort. But this weekend's trip to the Shakespeare fest should give me a good indication of whether or not I can make it to Portland next weekend. We shall see. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 16:44:50 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:44:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PIR in-car video Message-ID: <673993c50908281544s507cc303s9e7526b0d31f28b6@mail.gmail.com> There is some good Spec Miata video of PIR floating around that a few of you might appreciate With chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di8uR5Nib8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLK02PN2Xc without chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zeHI06xeM and what not to do.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuq_t7seA Good luck to everyone heading out there, Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 28 17:46:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Monterey Historics photos Message-ID: Here are some Monterey Historics photos from a friend in my email group....'THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE GANG click on the link below Racer Bud..Spitfire#21 > Hey Bud, > > I finished going over my photos from the Historics, so feel free to check > 'em out and pass this on to the "gang." > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=2009+Monterey+Historic+Races > > I have been busy over the summer and there are a bunch of other photo sets > which I'm sure folks will find interesting. The latest sets of photos can > always be found here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/newestimages.php > > Hope all is well, and enjoy! Thanks. > > Michael ATSPEED Plitkins > > PS: The latest toy is here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=lotus+35+%2335f23 . We are working > on checking it out and getting it ready for next year! From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Aug 29 09:01:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:01:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition Message-ID: <8D65E8CC3C7A4671855ADE53B528D9AC@Pendys> FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 29 10:05:03 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FWIW ClampTite tool Message-ID: <000301ca28c2$7a770f70$6f652e50$@com> I was up at EAA this year and bought this really neat tool for making hose clamps, or any other type of clamp, using stainless steel or regular wire, and this tool. The tool is a "ClampTite" "The clamp making tool". Their web site is www.clamptitetools.com There are 2 videos on the site showing 2 different styles of clamps. Looks to be really handy at the track. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 30 08:17:03 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Message-ID: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:20:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:31:43 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AAEF2D66A3C4FEB894E53E6986D6642@your4dacd0ea75> Winchester Blue 2922 TR3 1957/8 http://www.vtr.org/maintain/paint-charts/martin-senour-colors.jpg There is a reference here. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: August 30, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Aug 30 08:34:12 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <5295DF1B922142B3B261140875D05568@Dell5100Laptop> Bob, I looked into this some years ago and got the following email from Don Pikovnic of ICI paints. Don From: donp at ncweb.com [mailto:donp at ncweb.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 8:08 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Winchester Blue, et al Listers, Powder Blue (ICI # 8103) is just what the name says, a light pastel blue. Wedgwood Blue (ICI # 5814) is similar in color but with significantly more gray and somewhat darker. Winchester Blue (ICI # 2922) could be described as a "pastel-like" navy blue, much darker than either of the above. Royal Blue (aka Midnight Blue ICI # 4665) is a deep, clean navy blue, very dark. For the past several months, I have been developing a color guide to postwar British cars, including Triumph, MG, Austin-Healey, and Jaguar. To that end, I have sprayed roughly 150 colors with ICI "2K" single layer urethane automotive paint onto 3" x 5" metal sample panels and have a nearly complete set for Tr2-6. These panels will serve as color standards with which we can produce a color guide. My company manufactures color cards and I intend to use our manufacturing capabilities to produce my color guide. BTW, nearly ALL colors that were used on these vehicles are readily available in a state-of-the-art coating from ICI Autocolor. Anyone interested can call ICI customer service at 1-800-647-6050 for the location of a local supplier or contact me directly for more info. Don Pikovnik Coloramic Process, Inc. 440-275-1199 donp at ncweb.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:41:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:41:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Bound with Ambro...leaving Tuesday Message-ID: Kastner Cup folks.... The Ambro went to Minneapolis, from Iowa, via I-35 chasing John Macartney and 'uncle jack'. Trip was successful. 'Uncle jack' and John doing well on the Triumph Tour of America serving the cause of PTSD. The ARE Ambro will be going to Portland but unlikely running in the Kastner Cup. It may be used in other ways. I think we are set for the presentation of the Kastner Cup and I have the traveling Bill Ames commemorative plaque and it will be presented to another worthy Triumph Enthusiast, with the last recipient being Larry Young. Since I have no entry in place I am looking for credentials for myself and Jan and a place in the paddock for the Ambro, if I may. Can anyone help? Regards, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:50:48 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:50:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland's Columbia River Class Part II Message-ID: Oh yes, I will also have FOT 3 x 5 stickers with me. They were produced by Joe Curry and I need to settle with him, as he paid for them. Buy them so I can do that. I got one check in the mail on my last appeal to sell. I am also bringing some Uncle Jack Stickers for those who would like to display on their cars. Some requests were made for various A.R.E. parts and those folks may want to remind me on what they were and quantity. Wheels spacers and velocity stacks come to mind, but I didnt write anything down. Thanks! Joe A From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 30 11:19:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Aug 30 12:17:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:17:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Message-ID: Amici... I got this email from Wm. Severin Thompson, of Team Thicko fame. I thought I would pass it along in case someone out there is lusting for nice streetable Triumph Herald. I have no financial interest, nor personal knowledge of the car whatsoever. I do respect Bill Thompson's opinion in such matters. Bill Dentinger Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:25:14 -0400 Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA088-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090830172458.BZXZ6957.mta21.charter.net at imp09> for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from WSTGateway ([24.196.117.27]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ahQy1c00A0bYsz405hQytW; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Jal7eBYqAAAA:8 a=rJQXlOBULgneMeUKYtgA:9 a=T8XNWcWqLwjeQcBAoWQA:7 a=nDhQpsO0X3AlL4OthDu6ionSPWwA:4 a=2mpnCoypJiUA:10 a=KyBbQrBoNV0A:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=iaQ29CPlxeMA:10 a=bbB9BQdpiA_-WoUE:21 a=bx4HE-sy4tD9oniP:21 From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "Bill Dentinger" Subject: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000401ca2996$c7d070c0$57715240$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acoplc9nQhopxPdFRH6dYqYDGQ1RMwAAPKlA Content-Language: en-us X-AOL-IP: 216.33.127.81 -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Foster Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:18 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Was out for a drive yesterday in my 73 Midget and as I pulled into Arby's I got flagged down by an older gentlemen. He has a 1965 Triumph Herald convertible he's wanting to sell. Said he's had it for two years now and whenever the weather is nice enough to drive the Herald he'd rather ride one of his motorcycles. Said it's a solid rust free car and while not a show car it's a nice 20 footer and a nice driver. Red with "perfect" black interior and top; he has replaced the carpet recently. New tires, battery, water pump, starter, radiator hoses, and front brake pads and turned rotors. He did confide that the previous owner had trouble with a leaking rear wheel cylinder and blocked off the line to the rear brakes - he hasn't fixed this saying the front discs do a good job for the around town driving he uses it for. He's asking $3,500. The gentleman's name is Lyle VanHouten, he's in Clarence, Missouri (where he ran a service station for many years), and phone number is 660-699-2256. I have no idea what Herald prices are like but would go take a look myself if not for current uneconomic conditions. All normal disclosures apply ... NFI, not responsible if it rolls over your cat, eats your homework, stains your driveway, yada, yada ... You are subscribed as wsthompson at thicko.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 30 12:20:47 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A0E1C564E484A3ABEDAF2C3AD588C0B@Elliott> Here's a photo of a TR3 with its light grey top up in Winchester Blue. I don't know where the photo came from or who the owner is. Plus a Salvador Blue with a black top that was for sale on E-bay. From California. Also a very early TR3A was at Stowe VT in 1995 next to my black TR3A. He had bought this TR3A from his uncle in PA who had bought it brand new in late 1957 just when the new TR3As were coming available. He found a spot under the rear skuttle under the gas filler cap and had a local PPG paint shop make him enough for a total re-spray. He was living in Williston VT near Burlington at the time. I have not seen him since 1995. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A. Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Bob'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester > blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM > To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html > > Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester > > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint > > Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 > Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. > > Bob > "1957 TR3 in progress" > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR3 Winchester Blue.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Salvador Blue TR3 TS15107L.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of tr_group.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 01:38:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:38:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay Message-ID: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, barely. A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - shucks. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 07:55:28 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:55:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record Message-ID: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 08:30:57 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219873.12803.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> A 2.32:1 on a four mile track is just plan fast. The Kettle must be the last chance tune up event prior to the National Run Offs. I'd say Sargis has the car tuned and hopefully he can carry that into the Run Offs. --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Bob Adams wrote: Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 31 11:22:08 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay In-Reply-To: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> References: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear that Mark, I'll send you a Bratwurst and some lamb. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:38 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, > barely. > A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from > my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like > 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. > > I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. > The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - > shucks. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Aug 31 11:41:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record References: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record > Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his > Spitfire > (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! > > Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). > > -Bob Adams > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at CRC In-Reply-To: <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> References: <8cbd782d0908111109t3ccf6d72v7b30c0de066ce4c8@mail.gmail.com> <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908311050l4c48c7c8rba98ced42b2b7ec0@mail.gmail.com> Well, my TR6 decided for itself that it would not compete. At an Alfa club track day last week, something let loose in the engine midway up the front straight at Seattle [i.e., over 100 mph]. No obvious external damage. Still turns over. Will do damage assessment sometime, but not real soon. So, I am sponsoring one of the races and will be there all day Saturday and Sunday for the festivities. If SOVREN was not to let me drive due to novice status, I was intending to make the car available to someone who could drive it. Sorry that is not too be, it sure was pulling well -- easily overr 6000 RPM a end of strait with a 3.5 rear end! Fully intend to be at as many TR events as possible next year. Gonna build two engines and trannies! Chuck On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > I hope you had a successful race weekend at Portland. I checked with Al > Murray to see if he had made a decision on your participation at the CRC. > He said he was waiting to hear from you with your results from the weekend. > > I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you! Judy > On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> First things first: I would like to sponsor a Group 2 race -- how do I >> get signed up and my funds to you? >> >> Second: I tried to do novice this year but the car would not >> cooperate. I have done one ICSSC event this year, and anticipate >> racing at Portland this weekend --am still a novice, but have 4 races >> under my belt. I am an avid Triumph enthusiast and would be racer >> [gotta be to have gone through all the grief of the last three years]. >> I am a member of FOT [friends of Triumph] and friend of all SOVREN Tr >> racers. I REALLY want to race in the exhibition "Kastener Kup" race >> at CRC--do not intend/want at this point to do any of the other races >> [next year!!!]. >> >> Can this be made to happen? How would I register/pay? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Aug 31 12:46:26 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001ca2a6b$58d1eb60$0a75c220$@org> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is decided yet!). Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 31 13:02:36 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:02:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup Message-ID: Jeff, Kastner Cup will be at Heartland Park near Topeka, KS. This will be mid-August and features a major sponsor in O'Reilly Auto Parts. The govenrnor & the mayor will be in attendance, and the National Guard will do flybys. A significant band will be playing for entertainment and BBQ will abound. There is some discussion TV coverage, but I dont know the details. Organized by Bill Brinke and Gary Fuqua, it promises to be a great event with low cost and plenty of track time. You will likely here more from Gary, shortly. Joe A....Packing for Portland > Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is > decided yet!). > > Thanks, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Aug 31 14:31:16 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Message-ID: I'm happy to get into the 2.40s at RA. 2.32 is insane!! Can't wait to witness The Runoffs here in my backyard. On 8/31/09 12:41 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Adams" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM > Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap > record > > >> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his >> Spitfire >> (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! >> >> Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). >> >> -Bob Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 17:26:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question Message-ID: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the GT6 upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Mon Aug 31 17:38:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:38:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> References: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different. Check the part numbers perhaps? On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone > with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. > I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the > GT6 > upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't > tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. > > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 17:44:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A9C6050.90102@bradakis.com> The big TR cars and the Herald-based cars like the GT6 have completely different A arms. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 20:25:37 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 02:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition In-Reply-To: <56887406.6104421251771794277.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> take the electromotive and put it on the shelf. replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no iginition failures. most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 21:11:05 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC> Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a couple WPTA guys. Bruce Stutzman From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Aug 1 06:53:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Larry Young FedX broke my cam in two In-Reply-To: References: <1955879176.5280381249056954157.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A743ABE.8070103@pobox.com> I'm here. Was too busy yesterday to afternoon to check the FoT. Bob, your cores arrived safe and sound, and one has gone on to the grinder. FedEx must have to really work at it to break a cam. Larry Kramer, Robert wrote: > I've copied Larry so you can see his address. Larry, did my cores arrive alive? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 1 11:18:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hotel recommendation needed for a FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3696DD0F-E856-438D-B2EB-31E9184E6149@bnj.com> Kas and most of the FOT members are staying at the Red Lion Inn at Jantzen Beach. I've been extremely remiss in not getting over there and negotiating a rate--I'm pleading being absurdly busy lately. I'll call them this afternoon. On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hi Bill, > I'll be coming up for the vintage event labor day weekend. I'm > wondering if you could make a hotel recommendation. I've been on the > PIR website and there are a number of possibilities near the track. > Some inside info from a local would be appreciated. You'll be missed > at Monterey this year but we'll see you in Portand. > Thanks, > Dave Hogye > Santa Cruz,Ca. > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Aug 2 08:19:21 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:19:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire pistons needed Message-ID: <20090802141933.0D90B187669@autox.team.net> I am trying to bring my son's 1500cc Spitfire engine back to life but I am short two .060 overbored cast aluminum flat top pistons. Does any FOT member have a used couple of pistons or a full set of four at a good price they'd be willing to let me buy? Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico email: walt at hot-tr6.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 68652 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 3 07:02:46 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:02:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Message-ID: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNga OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 3 08:21:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:21:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Liquidation of Parts and Tools by Jack Wheeler -NFI Message-ID: List, Jack Wheeler has a boring machine, fixture and hone that has been used for many years for doing cylinder liners. This for sale at the right price. He also has a very complete engine 'kit' that left by a customer that passed away. He asking for what he is owed. He also has useful cores in blocks, one head, and cams. I am sure he has more. He can be reached at jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Regards, Joe Alexander From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Aug 3 08:54:22 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001ca144a$4a884360$df98ca20$@com> I have a hard copy of the instructions for the front hub spacer kit. I can have my wife scan them this evening and e-mail them to you. The scanner is on her computer and the scanner and I don't get along! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNg a OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 17:32:47 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2010 shirts Message-ID: <822019.63487.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: I have just reviewed the shirt orders for the Kastner Cup at PIR. At this time I have orders for 14 t-shirts and 2 short sleeve shirts. The pricing was quoted on 100 t-shirts and 25 short sleeve shirts so as you can see we are no where near the quantities needed to make this happen. Thursday is the drop dead date for ordering. I have included the instructions for ordering below if you are interested. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. ___________________________________ From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 3 17:56:21 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090803235653.E0817187647@autox.team.net> I e-mailed Joe the current instructions... - Tony Drews At 08:02 AM 8/3/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i >bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There >was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I >figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone >have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted >anywhere on the net? Joe(B) From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 12:45:46 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> /w3R29Q: Permission denied From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 14:03:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4A789407.6090101@pobox.com> From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 20:27:00 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirt update Message-ID: <325248.21444.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: Okay this time I'll address the 2009 Kastner Cup shirts. To date I have orders for 27 t-shirts and 4 crew shirts; far short of what is needed. Again here is the ordering instructions. Deadline is this Thursday. If you have questions, please contact me. thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 4 22:27:56 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal Message-ID: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Anyone have a suggestion or a neat little trick I have not thought of to get a stuck front oil seal out of the timing cover of a TR3/4? Last night I tried tapping it out from the front, but that just bent the seal inner lip. Then I tried prying between the front cover and the front of the seal, but that seals to be bending the lip of the front cover seal register not moving the stuck front seal. Part has now been soaking in mineral spirits for 24 hours, I'll give it a try again tomorrow. Just hoping one of you has already figured this one out. Thanks, Greg BTW The executive editor of "Spirit" (Southwest airlines rag) has an entertaining piece about the 24 hours of LeMons in the current issue. He was apparently a part of team TARP. That looks like a crazy bunch of folks. No mention of the TR7 entrant that I seem to remember reading about on FOT a while back. http://www.spiritmag.com/features/article/lap_dogs/ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 5 09:35:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090805153514433.UPYZ557@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Keep in mind, you aren't trying to save that old seal. I have, on occasion, wound up entirely destroying the seal and removing it in pieces. Eg, grab the inner lip with vise grips, and pry it out. If it breaks, bend down the broken corners, grab them and try again. As an absolute last resort, cut a groove in just the seal outer housing (you'll have pried and broken all of the inner bits away by now) with a Dremel and cutoff wheel. Not all the way through, just enough to weaken it so it will break there. Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 11:53:26 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? Doug From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 12:31:39 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes Message-ID: I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 13:30:39 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bearing needs to be able to move side to side by some amount in order to change brake bias. Let it move too far out one end or the other and Bad Things Happen. (Been there, done that, got the tatoo!) I think Caroll's suggestion is to have a circlip to limit the amount of adjustment available is a wise one. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Aug 5 13:41:25 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 14:37:53 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. > Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to > screw the brearing out of the tube. > > Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver > adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar > "should" > prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the > Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. > > > > Tony > > > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 15:57:09 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9B257BDC7B4C05B0621556720C328F@INSPIRON> Thanks I could not get comfortable with the set up It seemed that it could move out of bias just from shifting back and forth but the movement does not effect bias change and the float allows the master push rods to move with out binding which a fixed spherical bearing could cause . rob ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bownes To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 5 18:13:50 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090806001412.2A9F91898C8@autox.team.net> I THINK it's just myself and Bob Wismer that are going - at least according to the entry list I got a day or two ago. - Tony Drews At 12:53 PM 8/5/2009, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > >Doug From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Thu Aug 6 01:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 "racetorations" telescopic rear shockies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090806072119.JIAM21119.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> I have obtained a set of UK "Racetorations" brackets to convert the rear on a TR6 to telescopic shocks Can anyone help with length data on the correct shocks to go with these? Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 18:14:24 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirts Message-ID: <756662.38776.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Everyone: Anyone who may still want to order shirts please let me know tonight. Ordering instructions follow. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. __________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 14:37:05 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:37:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance Message-ID: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise to check the rod bearings with plastigage. I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in order). I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts that Plastigage is not accurate. This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many years. Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before trashing them. I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without taking it all apart. Advice? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Aug 7 22:53:00 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <21FC159599404D028883E354ECED297F@TER2> Steve, The standard of .003" clearance was esspecially for stock rods which do not stay as round as a Carrillo rod will. Just the same I would like to see .002 to .0025" as a minimum figure. We have run engines with as much as .0045" with no ill effects, but that is going in the other direction. Plasticgage can be used accurately, it is just not the preferred method of checking clearance. To use plasticgage, you must be sure to use the correct side, and ANY dirt or debrie will affect the results. You must be careful not to press down on the plastigage and must let the "clearance" between the bearing and the journal do the pressing on the plastigage. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance >I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. >Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise >to check the rod bearings with plastigage. > I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod > bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in > order). > I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts > that Plastigage is not accurate. > > This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is > .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, > this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many > years. > Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old > ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before > trashing them. > > I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the > plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor > to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without > taking it all apart. > > Advice? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2289 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00 From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 11:28:27 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:28:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance In-Reply-To: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C5D9E94-BC31-455A-AAFD-87C8E3799158@comcast.net> I recently assembled a GT-6 engine, and checked the clearances several ways. It is time consuming, and requires the use of micrometers, etc. If you do not have these, find someone who does or invest in some. By the time I got done paying the machinist, I was halfway to a single micrometer purchase. The goal is to get all of the clearances approximately equal. This can usually be accomplished by mixing and matching the bearings, as they are usually not perfectly uniform in thickness. If you are really going for perfection, it may help to have a second set of bearings from which to select. measure all the rod and main crank journals. They should be mic'd at four locations, being "front" and "rear" and again at 90 degrees to the first location. This will determine if they are round or egg shaped, and if they were tapered by the polishing belt. Hopefully, this will confirm that you have a good machinist! I found on my cranks that they were almost exactly round (one was 0.0002 out), but that one main had about 4/10,000 of taper from the leading edge to the trailing, caused by the belt presumably being pushed harder against the front edge. Measure all the bearing shells with a micrometer. You will need a ball tip on the mic because of the concave surface. These should be measured on each side of the oil channel or at two locations on the rod bearings. I found, depending on manufacturer, either great consistency or up to 5/10,000 variance from one to another, and 2/10,000 from one side to another. Now you see how you can adjust the clearances. Measure the bores of the con rods and of the main bearing bores. For this, you need an inside mic or other bore- measuring device, and the caps should be torqued to the correct spec do the math, subtracting the bearing thicknesses and crankpin diameter from the bore diameter. I used an excel spreadsheet so I could compare and re-shuffle the bearing measurements. Using one set of bearings, I was able to get variation down to about 2/10,000 on the mains and 4/10,000 on the rods I then confirmed all this with plastigage on assembly and found the same results in terms of tolerance, though the absolute clearance dimension varied by a few 10,000s. The other way to do this is with an inside bore gage, assembling the bearings in the bores and torquing them down. You still need to move them around to get the best combinations. From walt at hot-tr6.com Sat Aug 8 22:19:17 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:19:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 road racer Message-ID: <20090809041929.6327C18E902@autox.team.net> An on line car magazine has finished an article on my TR6 racecar. The link is: http://www.retromod-mag.com/hot-6/ I could have not finished this 1970 TR6 racecar project without the help and guidance of my friends at FOT. A special thanks go out to Kas Kastner and Richard Good. My son Drew (21 years old) helped with the heavy lifting in building this car last year. Drew and I enjoyed may long hours putting this car together. Drew is becoming a very good autocrosser and is starting to get his feet wet in road racing. I have also introduced auto crossing to my 18 years old son Kurt and my 16 year old daughter Casey. They are having a great time learning how a fast car handles. My kids are beginning to understand why I get a kick out of playing with fast cars over the past 45 years. Anyway, I thought you might get a kick out of this link. Enjoy Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 70815 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 11:39:06 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:39:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Hello All, FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he doesn't get a nice sofa! Hope to see you there. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 11:53:53 2009 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] New track !! Message-ID: <343290.15779.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Finally a decent road course in the Deep South. Check it out. This is between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. The track is call "The Circuit at Grand Bayou" and when completed will be 4.5 miles!!!! http://filelibrary.myaasite.com/Content/10/10675/30519312.pdf From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 9 12:17:25 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Track in Arizona Message-ID: <20090809181820.81DFB18765F@autox.team.net> I'll chime in on new tracks. Just heard about this one yesterday when I was out Instructing at Firebird. One of the Instructors has called the owner and is working on setting up a day for us to go down and check it out. Rumor is that NASA-AZ is working getting us a date or two at the track next year. Found these photos http://www.southwestrides.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16139&page=4 Here is the website for the track http://www.indemotorsports.com/ So... For those in AZ and NM looks like we will have a new place to play! From earthron at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 14:00:54 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested Message-ID: <609491.11329.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Passing along a So Cal new track help request from VARA. Ron Jones 1963 TR4 Race 1958 TR3A In restoration --- On Fri, 8/7/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: From: vara at rrevs.net Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested To: earthron at yahoo.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:47 PM August 7, 2009 Dear Members, Many of you may be aware that our long time member & sponsor Tom Malloy of Trench Shoring is attempting to build a new race track, the Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park, a world class race track about 20 miles northwest of Lancaster. Tom is getting opposition from a few environmentalists: Anyone that knows Tom can be certain that this new facility will bring only benefit to the surrounding area and community. Tom is one of the most generous and conscientious people I have had the privilege to know. TOM NEEDS OUR IMMEDIATE HELP, as you know Tom has supported you, as a member of VARA for numerous years. The very least we can do is each take a few short minutes of our time to write a few paragraphs and email or mail a letter to the County of Los Angeles. You are also invited to attend the hearing that will be held on September 2nd in Los Angeles in support of Tom and his new track. Below are links to a letter from Tom, which has the pertinent information for your letter and the location of the hearing as well as a brochure of the track. Please take the time to read it. If you have questions you can contact Tom at 951-739-0508 Tom's Letter (PDF) Track Brochure (PDF) YOUR LETTERS NEED TO BE AT THE COUNTY BY AUGUST 19! Please note that Tom has asked a few organizations to support him on this. You may get some duplicate requests. One letter will do. HE REALLY NEEDS OUR SUPPORT. Sincerely, Darlene Longacre General Manager VARA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sun Aug 9 19:33:57 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 SU dual intake needed Message-ID: <4A7F7905.30505@141.com> Amici, We're in need of a 1300 intake manifold for twin 1-1/4" SUs. Would anyone have a spare one they would be interested in selling? Thanks! Brad From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:24:32 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Summer Party 2009 Message-ID: We just got back from the 2009 Roadster Factory Summer Party. HAD AN ABSOLUTE BLAST. It was great visiting with everybody. Below are a couple of videos. Do a cut and paste. One is an in-car video of me in the Spitfire at the autocross and the second is Jason in Evelyn's TR8 at the LemMans Start contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvbaOhfDZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHLZCspTWY Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Aug 10 05:45:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations References: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005701ca19b0$6ec34570$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: "Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer" To: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't > stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he > doesn't get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 10 08:33:23 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/10/2009 8:11:41 AM Central Daylight Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > Amici, > > Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > Amici... GRATTAN is my favorite track. Bob Wismer and I plan to be there. Bill Dentinger PS The weekend is sure to include some time in memory of Uncle Jack. For sure we'll be smoking good stogies and sipping single malted scotch out at Turn ONE of those evenings. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 10:00:03 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: Greg Lunker Hilyer To: FOT Triumph Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > doesnt get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 10:08:38 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Kastner Cup t-shirt appeal Message-ID: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: As you are aware I have been taking orders for shirts for this years Kastner Cup at Columbia River Classic to be held at PIR Labor Day weekend. I did not receive as many orders as planned but I still hope to make this work. I have spoken with the supplier and they have agreed to hold the price if I can place an order for 50 t-shirts, I currently have orders for 40 t-shirts. Thank you to those who have placed orders. Now I really need a few more people to step forward to place orders for another 10 t-shirts. The following link will take you to the Columbia River Classic website where you can see the shirt design. The first design you will see is the design for the back of the t-shirt. There will be an FOT Coat of Arms over the left breast area. http://www.crclassic.com/ The cost of the t-shirts are: S - XL $9.00 2XL - 4XL 11:00 Shipping: 1 -2 shirts: $5.00 Over 2 shirts: $10.00 I have again included instructions for ordering via PayPal. Thank you, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 10 11:19:06 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:19:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block Message-ID: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 11:53:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: <01AF1FBB-4E8F-4D4B-8FD7-594CAC6FAE3F@bnj.com> I have helicoils in all the short bolt studs holes on most of my engines--I do it to the outer four as a matter of practice, since the they tend to have cracks leading into the pushrod tunnels or elsewhere. Greg Solow has slightly longer studs available with longer threads that require a little drilling and using a bottoming tap on the existing hole. One of my engines has these as well as helicoils. The Helicoils WILL handle the torque, but in the future I will use Timeserts, or keyserts, or any of the solid thread repair options. I like the look of the time serts best, but they require the most tooling. Keyserts are very good and they won't turn out. You use a standard tap for them in the smaller sizes, I'm not sure what they use for 1/2 inch, I'd suspect 9/16 but it might be something odd like 17/32" On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for > his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of > the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the > head has been stripped of its threads. > > He would like to know what is the best option to solving this > problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. > Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger > threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is > concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. > > Any proven suggestions ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 11:59:36 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations In-Reply-To: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <673993c50908101059w2349989cn7c43b0660f634601@mail.gmail.com> Dick Stockton and crew will be there. Bob On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires > > Sent from Comcast Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAM TOBIN > To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph > Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the > Vintage GP at the Glen? > BillOriginal Message ----- > From: Greg Lunker Hilyer > To: FOT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > > > Hello All, > > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > > doesnt get a nice sofa! > > Hope to see you there. > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Aug 10 16:37:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:37:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: I've repaird my block with threaded sleeve. Did work well. I still have this block. Outside diameter was 18mm. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Don Elliott Gesendet: Montag, 10. August 2009 19:19 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 16:45:45 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a "pay it forward" favor. While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did recently that was completely out of character. My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten seconds of effort). Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little interval). We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll ever see. The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my shop cleaned. I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth doing. From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 10 17:18:08 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <79A3DD98-602A-4FA4-AEFA-178C8FD8F8F6@wi.rr.com> Nice job Bill! There's always hope for each of us. Pretty much why we are here. Allen On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to > post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to > promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any > extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph > them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I > did recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty > that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 > airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So > I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running > bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse > on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next > day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin > you'll ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home > from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, > and my shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a > bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it > together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that > no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth > doing._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 17:34:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <103AD8F82A404F84A8550990A026F99C@Bud> Good Job Dude! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters >I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post > around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote > the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra > after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. > They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did > recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that > I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead > basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped > him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on > the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day > fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll > ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from > a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my > shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike > that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with > his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes > unpunished. But they're still worth doing. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 01:43:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? Message-ID: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 11 02:51:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> some pictures and a preliminary story at: http://www.crclassic.com/ It's going to be great to see this car in action. From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:41:53 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO at CRC part 1 References: <9DEAC7A6-2FDA-4F4D-B221-7C3D28B25396@bnj.com> Message-ID: <31A3F2F1-21BF-4174-B0C6-1E0A9ECF9778@me.com> This in two parts since it's over the FOT limit: No, not mine, that's in bits and pieces. Joe Alexander is bringing his AMBRO to the CRC. Joe is unsure of how much he'll be racing it, the car hasn't been up to speed anywhere yet, but it will make it's maiden appearance at the John McCartney Triumph Tour in Minneapolis and then it will come to Portland. I'm posting a short story and pictures on the CRC site tonight. It's a GREAT looking car. With any luck at all it will at least be on the track for the Kastner Cup event. Incidentally, I don't know if any of you noticed the new schedule. It's still tentative as far as times go, but the Featured race will be the Kastner Cup race. You might also note that Horizon Racing immediately stepped up and sponsored the Kastner Cup race. SOVREN solicits sponsors to name the races at the CRC. Tony Garmey beat us all to the Kastner Cup race, but if anyone wants to name a race associated with Triumphs, the TR3s will probably all be in group 1, the TR4 and other production Triumphs will most likely be in group 2. I suspect the TR250 will be in group three and they'll toss Peyote in there as well so Tony can kick my butt. Contact SOVREN directly if you want to do this. Here's the particulars on race sponsorship and the races that are available for named sponsorship as of last week: THE COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC NEEDS YOU! The PNW Historics were great, Baxters is history, Mission will soon be history so lets look ahead to Labor Day Weekend. For 2009 SOVREN will again be presenting the Columbia River Classic in Portland on Labor Day weekend- Sept. 5-7. This year we are featuring Triumphs and are pleased to be hosting the 2009 Kastner Cup. We are determined to give you a high quality racing experience with the laid- back atmosphere that has been so popular at this event. As in previous years, we will share PIR with the All British Field Meet, making the venue a delight for sports car fans. Even more exciting news is that we have just learned that there will be no drag races at PIR either Friday or Saturday nights so we will have the whole paddock to ourselves and a peaceful evening for those who are camping at the track. Our popular Saturday night vintage party and the track BBQ have been rolled into one extravaganza at the track on Sunday night. There are many advantages to this- no long wait for that pesky bus or search for a parking space in St. Johns, no getting lost driving there, plenty of food for all and places to sit while enjoying it. We will have music, good food, and, of course, the vintage fashions, so dust off those vintage duds and be ready to rock on. How can you help? First, make sure you plan to enter the race and spread the word as you meet other vintage drivers. The deadline for the early bird entry fee is postmarked by August 10st so dont forget to get your entry in by then. We had 165 entrants last year and hope to have as many or more in 2009. If you want to be featured in the program we need your entry as soon as possible so please send it in earlier than the deadline!!!!! The deadline for getting the finished program to the ABFM is August 12th so we need to know if you are entering as soon as possible (and I promise I wont cash your entry check until September). From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:42:11 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 Message-ID: <0E2F8638-C977-45C1-87E5-3D990E5F0156@me.com> Second, consider being a race sponsor. To be able to complete our ambitious plans, we need to secure sponsors for each race so consider doing so for yourself or your company or with your race group. Your name will be listed as a race sponsor in the program and mentioned by our announcers several times during the event. Well even give you four free passes and an extra parking pass for the weekend! All this for just $250. Contact Judy Buckingham at (425) 277-3177 or rebjrmd at ix.netcom.com . Saturday, Sept. 5 & Sunday, Sept. 6 Group 1  Vintage & FV- $250 Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore Sat.  Porsche Friends of Bruce Ross Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore & Sportsracers Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 4- Historic Large Bore- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 5- Formula Cars Sat. Bonhams Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 6- Exhibition/CanAm- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun. #2 All Triumph Kastner Cup Race - $500 Sun. Horizon Racing Monday, Sept. 7 (2 Races each Group) Group 1  Vintage & FV #1 #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore #1 #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore #1 #2 Group 4 - Historic Large Bore #1 #2 Group 5- Formula Ford- #1 #2 Group 6  Exhibition  #1 #2 You can see we have lots of races and lots of opportunity for sponsorship. (NOTE- these groups may change depending on the entries received!) Another way to help would be to advertise your business in the program. It is distributed to all of the racers, all 800 participants in the All British Field Meet, and sold to spectators. Contact Doug Kirk at Douglas.k.kirk at boeing.com for ad specifications. Contact Judy Buckingham to order ad. Rates: 1/4 page - $100 1/2 page - $150 Full page $275 Inside front cover Bonhams Lets all work together to make the Columbia River Classic a great weekend. From markjwea at msn.com Tue Aug 11 05:48:44 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:48:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent Message-ID: Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 06:14:27 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276674.12891.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd, we can always use another Triumph. Welcome Rod. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/11/09, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: From: MARK J WEATHERS Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent To: fot at autox.team.net, rod.kent at cox.net Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:48 AM Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:18:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I bought one for my GT6 in 2000 from Conversion Components in New Zealand. I have no idea if they're still around. It's been a good conversion. I've enjoyed not having to change the trans every other year. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:42 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780908110519r4165ab1ds1310f84ce4a8f06d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:48 AM, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona > to > the FOT. WOW, I can't believe Rod Kent isn't already part of FOT. Second. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Yep, still around http://www.conversioncomp.co.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Aug 11 06:20:15 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:20:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:48, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA > National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he > moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage > racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a > wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, > especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of > you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 07:05:37 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shirts ordered Message-ID: <5818.90857.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I currently have orders for shirts from the following people: Joe Alexander Charles Arnold Bill Babcock John Borgen Dennis Carlson Robert Davis Tony Drews Andrea Garmey Chuck Gee Joseph Guinan John James Kas Irv Korey Lunker Andy Mace Charles Mitchel Barry Munson Jim Norlin Mark York The order for t-shirts went in this morning. If I have missed your name, please contact me. Thanks everyone. Ernie From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 07:37:10 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? Here, here. Second, third and more. Welcome Rod. > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 08:02:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota > 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar > that uses a Nissan tranny? I know this is not what you asked, but we had a local-ish dude show up at Day of Triumph a week or two ago who has a sweet looking setup that uses a T5 tranny... here's his web site: www.dupontmachining.com The setup uses a new cast bell housing and you need specific T5's (with mods), but it has the hydraulic throw out bearing and all that stuff. It can also fit all sorts of Triumphs, from what I gather. The dude seems to be a real British car enthusiast, he showed up at Day of Triumph in a sweet looking TVR2500 with the conversion in it. He's been making the rounds at the local-ish British car shows as I saw that car in pix from the annual Show of Dreams put on by British Cars of NH this weekend past. NFI, of course. But check it out. Speaking for myself, I'd have to say this is a nice looking setup. I believe he can also do custom stuff, for a price, of course. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 11 08:52:21 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:52:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Shirts by Ernie Husmann-ORDERS WANTED!!!! Message-ID: FOT Crew Shirts & T-Shirts see crclassic.com for samples and prices. Order now and often. Artwork is a nice composition of Triumph Logos and more. Kas will be available to sign the shirts....these will be keepers. Thanks to Ernie for taking on one of these thankless tasks that always take more time and effort than anyone believes. And thanks to Bill Babcock for putting on a show for the FOT that will be memorable. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 12:46:34 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:46:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A81BC8A.1060205@bradakis.com> Sigh. Yet another reason I'm regretting not being able to attend. mjb. From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:57:24 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will second Rod. He's a great guy and a good friend! Sam Halkias > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > CC: rod.kent at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > > > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Here, here. Second, third and more. > > Welcome Rod. > > > Thanks > > Mark Weathers > > 72 TR6 > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:36:14 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed Message-ID: Howdy to the list, I just thought I'd throw this one out there, i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Anybody willing to part with one?....................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:38:44 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coronado HMSA race Message-ID: Any body planning on this one? I'm taking my hmod and I'm pretty jazzed, even though you can barely call it racing..............................Cheers Henry Morrison From tom at squeelerracing.com Tue Aug 11 21:14:35 2009 From: tom at squeelerracing.com (Tom Kreger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:14:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent References: Message-ID: Rod is solid platinium!!! He has helped me with my TR since the 80's. I would love to see his 6 at some vintage events. Good guy. Tom Kreger Message ----- From: "MARK J WEATHERS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved > on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. > He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you > may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 21:58:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:58:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A823DF6.4020000@bradakis.com> > i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Do you need an entire assembly from the diff flange on out, including the hub and all, or just a rear axle piece from the sliding joint, no hub needed? mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 12 20:12:49 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:12:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Possible CRC trip Message-ID: <4A8376A1.9040702@bradakis.com> Well, there is a chance [ Why is it that when it comes to chances fat and slim mean the same?] I may actually attend the festivities over Labor Day weekend. Tony Drews will be heading through Salt Lake on his way from the Great Flat Spot, I may hitch a ride with him. So don't be surprised to see some blatantly commercial emails from me touting all the, uh, stuff I'll be putting on EBay over the next little while in an attempt to raise some traveling funds. I may even have something somebody actually wants! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 18:52:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Oh no, not again! Message-ID: <20090814005251.00E3C2E02D@bradakis.com> Seems that AOL has once again started blocking Team.Net. Why do I even bother? Sheesh. mjb. From markjwea at msn.com Fri Aug 14 05:25:36 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:25:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rod's correct email is rodkent at cox.net > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:39:07 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > Hi Mark, > > Can you please verify Rod's e-mail. rod.kent at cox.net does not see to be a > valid email address. > > Make sure you get the proper one to MJB. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 10:45:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Message-ID: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 12:37:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate In-Reply-To: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000201ca1d0e$54bef9b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Figured out the orientation of the plate, just need to know how you guys route the lines now. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 14 22:09:18 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:09:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] K&N Weber DCOE filters Message-ID: <4A8634EE.6040200@bradakis.com> While scrounging around in various piles of dusty, forgotten bits I found a pair of K&N air filters for DCOE carbs. I can't recall exactly why I have them, perhaps it was part of putting Webers on the L20B in my old Datsun pickup. Anyway, I don't need them, they are 3.5" deep and won't fit on any Spitfire applications I know of, perhaps TR2-4? Just thought I'd ask here before putting them on EBay. mjb. From wredinger at oppd.com Sat Aug 15 07:07:49 2009 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 Message-ID: Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 11:02:45 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue stripes and wheels. Bob From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:31:24 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote: > Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? Being a RHD model, I'll guess that it's nobody in the US... Neat looking car model, though. Not that I'm biased or anything, of course. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:34:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Bob Adams wrote: > Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue > stripes and wheels. Wow - nice looking car. I really like the color choice. No bias here... un uh. :-) > Bob rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 16 19:58:52 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Shameless self promotion Message-ID: <20090817015852.E7A092E0D6@bradakis.com> As I mentioned a few days ago, I have managed to put a few items up on Ebay lately, trying to turn some of this inventory into something I can use, money! Check http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfatchancegarage once in a while to see if anything you need shows up. Thanks, mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 20:12:49 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but found none. Appreciate any suggestions. Bob Blake From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 16 21:00:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090817030035.68F33187A73@autox.team.net> I back the bolts out of the rod cap partway and smack the head of the bolt with a rubber mallet. - Tony Drews At 09:12 PM 8/16/2009, Robert Blake wrote: >Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the >rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. >No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but >found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > >Bob Blake From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:15:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:15:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Robert....If it's been a long time since the car has run..don't pound hard...you might break the rings...You may as well have fun learning to freshen your engine....The correct way to do it is to..remove the head...It's really not tough..take your time...It's not like your daily driver that needs to be back on the road right away...If you're gettin' into the 'messy,' under the car stuff....then you deserve to enjoy the top end stuff to make up for it..remove the carbs...take off the head(wiggle it a bunch to unstick it)...The pistons will then push up to be removed..the canisters(sleeves) may want to pop up too, but that's ok because you're gonna replace the 'o rings under them)...with the pistons out....remove the rings(you're gonna replace them too.... What I'm gettin' at is....YOU CAN DO IT....Slowly follow the instructions in a shop manual...If you do not understand an instruction...read it over and over again...then..if you still don't understand it..ask one of us FOTers...We all had to learn this stuff..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:18:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that your head rested in!..Funny..but true... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 06:48:28 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:48:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <271B9682-CF9F-4269-AD69-16937B4D443F@bnj.com> Probably just oil sucking the bearing against the journal. Back all the nuts off as Tony says--a couple of turns, then rotate the crank a turn or two. some will come loose just by turning. take the rod you want to remove to bottom dead center and whack the nuts with a rubber mallet. You can whale on them, wont hurt anything . On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to > replace the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the > nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden > handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist > pin sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was > reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this > issue but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 08:52:57 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 08:49:11 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: <000001ca1f49$e24d7080$a6e85180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: To those of you who have experienced the Monterey Historics event, it's car heaven for vintage racers and enthusiasts. For the past thirty-six years, the event has been organized and run by Steve Earle. The big buzz at this year's event was SCRAMP (the group that oversees Laguna Seca since it's a county park) decided not to renew the contract with Earle. Lots of rumors running around the paddock about who would run the event and how it might change. Last night I received the following press release from the track that partially answered the question, see below. Other news is apparently a group headed by Bobby Rahal are formulating plans for a five race series for newer cars (TransAm, IMSA, FIA sports racers, Group C, etc) that will be spectator events, with points and trophies awarded in each class. The character of the events will possibly be similar to the Goodwood Revival. Rahal was at Laguna Seca for a meeting with track officials it looks like Laguna will be part of this series. No doubt we'll be hearing more about this in the coming months. Gary MONTEREY, Calif. (August 16, 2009) - The Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP) announced that it will be producing the historic races at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in 2010, and that General Racing, Ltd., the creator and producer of the Rolex Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for the last 36 years, will no longer be producing the event. SCRAMP will produce an event that reflects the prestige, integrity and quality that fans and participants expect of the vintage automobile races held at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. SCRAMP has contracted for the use of the trademark Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for 2010 and General Racing will assist SCRAMP for this transitional year. "This has certainly been a long and rewarding relationship with Steve Earle and General Racing," said Gill Campbell, CEO/general manager for Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. "SCRAMP has always admired Mr. Earle's creation, which has brought historic car racing to the enthusiast on such a level. We look forward to our 2010 event, scheduled from August 13-15, and beyond with the mission of continuing the tradition of historic automobile racing here while enhancing the enjoyment factor for the fans, participants and sponsors." SCRAMP has operated Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, the site of the Monterey Historic Automobile Races, for more than 50 years and, as a not-for-profit organization, has donated more than $12 million to the communities in and around the Monterey Peninsula. "SCRAMP is proud to continue the legacy General Racing began," Campbell added, "And we are excited about the prospect of opening a new chapter in historic racing at America's premier road racing circuit." Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca was established in 1957. The world-renowned raceway has been operated since its inception by the Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP), a not-for-profit 501C(4) corporation. Each race season, SCRAMP donates its net proceeds to the volunteer groups that help put on the races. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 09:01:46 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very inexpensive, like $30/pair. On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:52 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 09:20:46 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A89754E.60106@gmail.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. > However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as > the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very > inexpensive, like $30/pair. > I don't know if it is justified or not, but I just don't have as much faith is pattern reproduction brake cylinders as I did with genuine Gurling cylinders. I also suspect a sleeved cylinder would likely last longer between needing to be rebuilt. Teriann From munsonsb at telus.net Mon Aug 17 11:34:34 2009 From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Stock available notification from Veloce Publishing Message-ID: <28474561.1181185.1250530474705.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Aug 17 12:46:27 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What is your opinion? From cak at dimebank.com Mon Aug 17 13:11:58 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A89AB7E.6070709@dimebank.com> I have Sierra Specialty Automotive do my re-sleeving, after bad experiences with several other companies. He uses brass, and leaves you to do the rebuild. http://www.dimebank.com/monster/burst/00613.html That said - I tend to buy new these days for anything that is still available on the market, just because I know that my assembly environment is not as clean as that found in a factory. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 17 13:36:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:36:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Sun Aug 16 21:47:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Message-ID: Bah! Real racers work so late they fall asleep under the race car. (That's my true story) Back to the subject at hand, I rotate the crank around until the piston in question is at the bottom of it's path and tap on the cap as someone else suggested. The tricky replacement is the crank bearings. Push those out with a Popsicle stick pushing on one end. iii On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > > > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace >> the >> rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >> attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >> mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin >> sets. >> No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >> beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue >> but >> found none. Appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Bob Blake >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 17 17:41:10 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B6A3EF2-A8F3-4034-B852-4F522CFEAE14@wi.rr.com> No tubes. They add rotational weight (slower acceleration), they add to your sprung weight and they retain heat. Other than that, they're fine! Allen On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 18:01:26 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Tubes? They still make those? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Aug 17 18:35:42 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? A. 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > Tubes? They still make those? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 17 18:40:02 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A89F862.1090304@cyberspeedway.net> To seal press fits, porous welds and castings, and lock assembled fasteners, the Loctite 290 product can't be beat. I have used it on water jackets, 6000 psi hydraulic weldments, carburetors, etc. It is a wicking type sealant which is drawn into the smallest of openings. If it has been in service try to get the assembly as clean as possible with multiple sprayings of brake clean, acetone, alcohol, etc followed by compressed air blowings. Don't try to save money on the small bottle. Buy the 50 ml bottle as it has a much better tip and built in stopper. Greg Lund TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff > and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course > it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs > attention. > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the > way around? or ?? > > 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet > enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the > brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the > cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. > > Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a > reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? > > Other thoughts? > > Teriann > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 19:01:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:01:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: YES Nascar does use..inner tubes and/or inner tires/ liners..I do not know if it is required at all tracks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: ".Triumph List" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > > A. > > 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : >> Tubes? They still make those? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: >> >>> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >>> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the > last >>> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician >>> was >>> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except > that >>> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube >>> in > a >>> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 17 20:39:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com > References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> They are not inner tubes in the traditional sense. They are an inner tire. The have two places where the tires seat against the rim and two valve stems. They run like 20 psi higher in the inner tire than the outer one so the handling is OK. Every once in a while, the inner tire leaks and raises the pressure in the outer (real) tire. They call that "equalizing" and it really messes with the handling. The inner tire is to give some semblance of control when a tire bursts on a super speedway. They certainly help them in that case. Makes the wheel assembly heavy as heck. Back to the original tubes question, with panasports and any kind of tire - bias or radial, there's no reason to run tubes. Hoosier vintage TD, Dunlops, Hoosier speedsters, etc all hold air well enough. - Tony Drews At 07:35 PM 8/17/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > >A. > >2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > > Tubes? They still make those? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > > > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama > >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the >last > >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was > >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except >that > >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in >a > >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Aug 17 22:19:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:19:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The only time I have found it is beneficial to run tubes in tires is if you run solo II. It helps to keep the heat in the tires between runs. I found this out when I started running the Pro Solo series. Most of the fast guys had tubes and it was easy to spot if you looked at their valve stems. It seemed to make only a little difference but all those little things add up. Mike From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 17 21:30:03 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? mjb. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Aug 18 05:54:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:54:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? References: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8F1C43D48A29418287CBE696C53B256E@Elliott> There is an excellent explanation by Clive Elsdon in Bristol England on this. Go to the link : - http://www.britishcarlinks.com/technical_articles_page.htm Scroll down to the section on "Interiors". -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? > So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not > explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering > column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort > of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, > but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a > used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these > control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:10:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: Amici... Hold your thumbs. Chances are what happens will directly relate to the players involved. Reminds me of times many years back when Joe Marchetti was 'eased out' of his CHICAGO HISTORICS event at ROAD AMERICA. The event evolved into the likes of the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), and now the KIC (Kohler International Challenge). That event continues to be very big and popular, thanks to George Bruggenthies' ongoing finger prints, who actually used to run the event for Marchetti. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:16:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:16:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: In a message dated 08/18/2009 8:40:36 AM Central Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top > of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle > that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > Back in England, at the A/H works, those "Unwashed Mechanics" were known as "thickos", and used to run "shade tree teams" against the works team. Hence, with help and urging from Wm. Severin Thompson, in the vintage family we have "Team Thicko" in their honor. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 09:37:48 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:37:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! Message-ID: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 10:01:40 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:01:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... Message-ID: Amici... You should'a been there. It was nice. Last Saturday night, a very informal memorial was held out on TURN ONE at GRATTAN RACEWAY. It was made up mostly of Group Two (vintage production based racers), but a lot of others came as well. It started slowly as Tony Drews, his daughter Tori, Bob Wismer, Shirley and I started the long walk down the front straight to corner one. But one by one the group kept getting bigger and bigger. People came. They paid their respects, and then left. At times the number, standing in a circle at any one time numbered 35 or 40 strong. In honor of Uncle Jack's other loves, many were smoking good cigars, and there were several bottles of single malted Scotch being past around the circle. It was good stuff too. You know...the stuff they keep back up there by the mirror. Not that junk down on the rail. We took turns telling tales about Uncle Jack. Lots of racer, and mechanical stuff, but also lots of deep personal things about Jack's multifaceted personality. Dry eyes became scarce when Tony spoke of his days in the garage and at the track with Dad. When Tori talked about her grandpa, and his loving ways, it was very emotional. What a guy! We were all privileged to know him. Those Scotch bottles were soon empty, and we left them standing in the gravel in the bank where Jack's gorgeous TR4 ended up last August. Still thinking about Jack, we all then made the long trek back to our race paddocks. We finished with a traditional Beady Eye Wine and Cheese party in Garage #8. The good Scotch was gone, but there was plenty fine wine, good Wisconsin cheese, and some tasty stuff someone brought up from the southern edge of Kentucky. It came in unmarked mason jars. One jar tasted like apple pie, another like cherry, and one like lemonade...but all three kicked like a mule. Like I said...you should'a been there. It was nice...good for the soul. Bill Dentinger PS We walked away from the memorial smarter too. Tony Drews and I both agree, that if you are going to hold any kind of function out in the kitty litter...be sure you don't wear flip flops or sandals. Walking in the kitty litter is like walking in 12" of quick sand (only with BIG kernels). That space between you feet and the flip flops sure fills up fast. Pictures are scarce, but I did get several. I'll try to post them, but may need some help. I don't always get along with my vintage (kerosene powered) computer. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 18 10:18:40 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:18:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT & Portland's Kastner Cup Message-ID: List, I will have 3" x 5" FOT stickers at the Portland event. I owe Joe Curry for these stickers and anxious to sell as many as I can. (I can also send stickers to non Portland attendees) I suppose that 1 for $5, 2 for 7, 3 for $10 including postage might work. Send money to FOT: FOT, 645 1st Street, Jesup, Iowa 50648 Mark Bradakis will be our Guest of Honor at Portland, if he chooses to accept our invitation. Please take the time to thank Mark for all he has contributed to the FOT. We would not exist but for his computer support. This clearly will be an exceptional event. There are reports of folks flying in from all over the country, to be with us at this event, though they will not be towing. Also thanks to Bill Babcock for his involvement with SOVERN and this event. Clearly we need to thank Ernie Husmann for coordinating the EVENT SHIRTS. Thanks, Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Aug 18 10:27:14 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:27:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! In-Reply-To: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> References: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> Message-ID: AOL is a disease. Expunge it from your computer with extreme prejudice. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FOT LIST Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Good grief! So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Aug 18 11:26:52 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings Message-ID: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 Spitfire. The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a trip to the alignment rack. Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a starting point? My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear toe-in toe-out. What should I set this to? Thanks! Robert MacKenzie Austin TX 78 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 17:04:23 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CBEE6F5C676AAB-AF4-52FF@webmail-md13.sysops.aol.com> Shouldn't have to use a tube in radial tires at all, street or race.? Save the weight and eliminate the tubes all around, radials are heavy enough.? As far as failure, if no visible puncture through the tire into the tube I could only guess. Best of luck, Bob T. ( Toyo R888 as rains w/ no tubes) -----Original Message----- From: steve To: Jerry Barr ; .Triumph List Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:13:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: <9D5F42415A8D423CB345DBBCD2A64193@Bud> I think this is DAVID NELSON Racer Bud http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6733_117326504642_993 51444642_2244031_7370513_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:24:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: Great photo of STIRLING MOSS at Monterey by Gary Anderson..Editor of 'THE STAR'...Mercedes Magazine Racer Bud http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:27:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] try again STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: <63C42EE70BEE4C379C3B6ED097F9D1D9@Bud> photo by Gary Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:25 PM http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 19:03:18 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings References: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> Message-ID: <61064EB4C6B94359AC989114527FB701@steven2sbouwlk> I use 1/16 toe in front, 1/32 toe in rear, made a world of difference on my 63 Spit Steve Groh SVRA 393 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings >I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 > Spitfire. > > The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a > trip > to the alignment rack. > > > > Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a > starting point? > > > > My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear > toe-in > toe-out. > > What should I set this to? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Robert MacKenzie > > Austin TX > > 78 1500 (Street) > > 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) > > robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as sgroh1 at comcast.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 20:55:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:55:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B69B2.70506@bradakis.com> Thank you. After this morning's whining tirade about AOL, I needed a reminder of why it is I do what I do. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 00:43:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090819064305.175EF2E077@bradakis.com> Thanks for all the responses. Turns out that by the time I got to the shop this morning Mike had already called TRF and had a new unit on the way, so I didn't need to tell him about all the options I had come up with. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 08:58:05 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires Message-ID: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 19 09:12:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires In-Reply-To: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> References: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: A-N-T tires is almost certainly going to be there. If they are not present at the track they are about a half mile away from PIR. You should give them a call to make certain that they have what you need. Fred will set you up. (503) 236-2106 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm > assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 22 14:57:15 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HANS USERS BEWARE Message-ID: <45F399375DF64B67B22EDBB7EBA8DF6C@INSPIRON> Hope fully this will not effect anyone but I am passing it along,for everyone's safety. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: teamdi.com To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: HANS USERS BEWARE Dear Customers I thought we should pass along the following information to you just released from Hans today. This is the second major thing coming from Impact Racing regarding safety. The first issue was some of their suits did not have the proper SFI certification and now this on counterfeit parts. This guy has been in the business for over 30 years with a very well and trusted name by racers around the world. We do not carry the line nor will we ever. Personally I do not trust this company or their products. Regardless for your safety please see if you are affected by this. I applaud Hans for their quick response to this problem. Please read below: HANS FINDS COUNTERFEIT ANCHORS - LAUNCHES FREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM Atlanta, Georgia (August 19, 2009) - HANS Performance Products has found counterfeit Post Anchor parts on a helmet purchased from Impact Racing Products. Preliminary investigations suggest that counterfeit parts may have been supplied with other helmets provided by Impact. "We are seeking the source of the counterfeit anchors and to establish how widely they may have been distributed," said HANS CEO Mark Stiles. He continued, "It is extremely possible that counterfeits may have been installed on other helmets, either factory-fitted by a helmet manufacturer or by racers installing replacement parts during equipment changes." The only counterfeit parts identified so far look like HANS' current "Professional" Post Anchors, which are designed to offer robust durable service - these have a "teardrop" shaped head to the "post" and an aluminum base engraved with HANS, SFI and FIA markings. Other Post Anchor designs, such as the similar current "Standard" version, which have the same teardrop post but a simpler black plastic base, and older designs which had a round shaped head to the post, do not seem to have been counterfeited. Stiles said, "If racers want to check their Professional Series Post Anchors, one quick test is to touch a magnet to the post. The posts used in all our designs since July 2005 are magnetic. The posts on the counterfeits we have seen are not magnetic." He continued, "Our earlier designs used a non-magnetic material for the post, so a non-magnetic post is not necessarily a counterfeit, but it is a reason why a racer should contact us for more information." The link below shows what to look for when testing the Post Anchor. http://nsvirtualurl.com/core/media/media.nl?id=2634&c=337809&h=d02ae9a6a725bb dbb4f2 To&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9zeXN0ZW0ubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t ensure all racers have confidence in their safety equipment, HANS is implementing a program to replace any counterfeit Post Anchors free of charge. Details of the program, other information and program updates are available at hansdevice.com, or by calling HANS direct at 1-888-HANS-999, or contacting one of the 200 authorized North American HANS factory trained dealers nationwide. The HANS Device is the #1 choice for performance, #1 for vision and #1 for winners. Details and information about HANS Performance Products are available at www.hansdevice.com or by calling 1-888-HANS-999 or 770-457-1046. Sincerely, Robert Zecca www.teamdi.com Unsubscribe me from this contact list From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 19 15:52:26 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC - Kastner Cup Message-ID: <6E2F5BFD-9F3A-4127-9A41-C7A3FEE75947@earthlink.net> Hello All, Would those attending the Kastner Cup race please contact me off-list? Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:05:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have some track experience. -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 19 20:11:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:11:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work themselves loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast steel and will weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? Teriann ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 08:29:13 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <39F57ABE-DCD0-499E-A2CC-A5A24171B443@bnj.com> I second that. The pins are pushed into holes in the tubing very close to the edge of the tube and it can easily break out. I've had it happen to two rear ends. The banjo welds nicely as do the tubes. I run short beads about an inch long, spaced about an inch apart. Permanent fix. On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work > themselves > loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast > steel and will > weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle > tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all > the > way around? or ?? > > Teriann > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 > x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Thu Aug 20 08:31:21 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] AOL users - throw off your chains! Message-ID: <200908201431.n7KEVLDK023906@moose.dimebank.com> I saw this in the NYT this morning, and thought that mjb would appreciate it if some of the AOL holdouts would make the switch: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/mail-and-contact-import-for-everyone.html Basically, it gives the steps for moving your mail from AOL to GMail, including importing contacts and snagging your AOL mail for 30 days. Best, chris From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 09:26:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:26:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02F24B23-5225-48B5-96A2-4E096056AA5E@bnj.com> Thanks for mentioning this Chuck. The Lotus Club runs a fine track day. If you have any issues you'd like to shake out before the race days this is ideal. Any of you guys coming with street cars that have a rollbar and appropriate gear, this is a great opportunity to try out a fine track at your choice of speed. The club is very open to street cars, I've driven my Ferrari during this track day in the past. They do separate cars according to speed potential so you don't have to worry about being on the track with something that's passing you with a 100+ speed differential. It's a lot of track time--they run the thing efficiently. By the end of the day there are usually only a few cars on track per session--everyone has had enough. Joe, this might be ideal for shaking out the AMBRO On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 20 16:07:36 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size Message-ID: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 16:59:40 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4340970F-2C2A-4897-9467-6404F48FF7C7@bnj.com> I think it depends on what you plan to do about bias bar or proportioning. You can get away with 3/4 fron and 3/4 rear with a bias bar and enjoy the simplicity of only needing one rebuild kit. I think most folks like a smaller rear though to allow lower pressure and a more mid-bar adjustment for bias. On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Bob wrote: > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Aug 21 07:32:59 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A6B4CA38574B63BC92BFC9227848FA@Pendys> Chuck, Please remember that SAAC NW (shelby club) also is putting on a track day on the following tuesday sept. 8 for those of you that may be staying over. The cost is 160.00 for 4 20. min.sessions. Sometimes we are able to squeese 5 in if we don't have any issues on track. We get the first run group out at 9:00 and try and be wrapped up by 4:30-5:00. All cars are welcome,( even rentals) Looking forward to meeting some FoT'ers at the ABFM/CRC. Thanks, Mark Pendy #65 TR4 Anyone showing interest may contact me at 503-550-2144 cell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day >I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 11:45:42 2009 From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CCFE8C0-5C32-435D-A9A8-7F2BB0EB5F6C@kenalu.com> Great idea Judy, I didn't think of it. I'll mention this to the FOT. Please do arrange for this and include it in the schedule. On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > Hi, Bill- Do you have any plans for a group photo of all of the > Triumphs? We were talking about this > last night at the Comp. meeting. Last year the FFords all went down > to the Festival Turns Saturday during the 2 hr. > lunch break and had the photo. We can arrange for a photographer we > think- Shari Jackson, Miles wife, did it last year. > But maybe you have your own plans. Let us know if we should include > this in the schedule of events. > > Judy From BILLB at BNJ.COM Fri Aug 21 12:06:19 2009 From: BILLB at BNJ.COM (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:06:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party Message-ID: <63175022-9F45-410A-88D0-50635D795133@BNJ.COM> The Peyote Birthday party will be at the track instead of at our house. This will make it much easier for everyone to attend, and the birthday boy gets to be there too. I thought I should pre-announce that in case some folks are getting cars in anticipation of needing to make that drive. We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can probably just graze in the paddock. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 21 13:53:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:53:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with the adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it would give maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know how much you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs testing. As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:05:25 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:05:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Actually Chris if you increase the size of the master cylinder you decrease the force at the slave cylinder so you need MORE force at the pedal. I'm sure you know that, probably just came out wrong. On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:53 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with > the > adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it > would give > maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know > how much > you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs > testing. > > As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change > something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size > > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rblake36 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 14:23:46 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator Message-ID: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on the fritz and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and repairing the orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road and to do so I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold under the name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the old one for repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units and if so how reliable are they? Bob Blake From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:30:02 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator In-Reply-To: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1011C5C9-1827-4847-906B-83EF8637CC73@bnj.com> Yup, they're fine. I've used the one-wire version. Bulletproof. On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on > the fritz > and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and > repairing the > orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road > and to do so > I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold > under the > name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the > old one for > repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units > and if so > how reliable are they? > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:11 2009 From: Bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: I'm going to have to send this in four chunks because of the size limit on the FOT list, Please pardon that. I'll also post it on the CRC website. This is some additional information about the CRC that SOVREN sends to the racers. I expect you folks attending will find it useful whether you're racing or not. Don't forget to bring some vintage duds for the Sunday Night party. I remember clears as if it were yesterday when Uncle Jack and Joe visited and wore vintage clothes to the party. When I asked where Uncle Jack got his perfect Full Cleveland leisure suit from, he said "From my closet"!! Vintage dress is also encouraged for Peyote's Birthday Party on Saturday Night. The Birthday Party will be in the Triumph ghetto, around Nero (My Airstream). Begin forwarded message: > From: "Richard Buckingham, Jr" > Date: August 21, 2009 1:22:08 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Columbia River Classic > > Thank you for entering the 7th Annual Columbia River Classic at > Portland International Raceway on Sept. 5-7. We will be sharing the > facility with the ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET on Saturday and Sunday. > They will have over 800 cars on display and a variety of activities > including a slalom on part of the PIR course, an off-road > adventure on the motocross course, and a swap meet. We especially > welcome > this year Kas Kastner and a large contingent of Triumphs who will be > participating in the 2009 Kastner Cup Race on Sunday. We think that > it should be a great weekend for racers and spectators alike- > you will be able to overdose of car stuff. > > > PADDOCK PARKING: On Friday PIR is rented by the Lotus Club during > the day. If you are planning to register and set up on Friday (which > we strongly encourage), the best window of opportunity will be > between Noon and 6:00PM. Al Murray and his crew will be there to > help you find your assigned space. IF YOU ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION > HOURS ON FRIDAY, PLEASE SHOW THIS LETTER TO > THE GATE SECURITY PERSONNEL FOR ADDMITTANCE TO THE PADDOCK. > > You will receive one parking pass, which will allow one street > vehicle in the paddock. There will also be one crew parking pass > available for each entry, which will allow one vehicle in the > designated crew > parking area inside the gate. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:49 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part deux Message-ID: <3538B599-6AE8-4945-BFB3-E5FF09C723B1@me.com> > REGISTRATION: Registration will be held at a trailer outside the > Main Gate at PIR. It is in the first parking lot as you turn into > the PIR property. Registration hours are: > Friday, Sept. > 4 12 PM  6 PM > Saturday, Sept, > 5 7 AM  2 PM > Sunday, Sept. > 6 7 AM  2 PM > Monday, Sept. > 7 8 AM  12 PM (at Main > Entrance to PIR) > > Each driver must sign a waiver at Registration before they can take > their car on the track. Please bring your racing license to > Registration. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A VALID COMPETITION LICENSE. > Advise your crew that they will need to come to Registration in > person to sign the waiver and receive their wristband. You are > allowed three crew passes plus the driver. Overbuys are $10 for a 3 > day pass. > YOUR CREW WILL HAVE TO PAY THE $10 ADMISSION ($20 for 3 days) IF > THEY ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION IS CLOSED. No will call arrangements > can be made for this event, and ABFM ticket > takers cannot sign in crew. > > We have had problems in the past with Drivers speeding past the > volunteer gate attendants without proper parking credentials and > crew passes. Please be courteous to these volunteers and follow their > directions. Dont try to sneak extra people in - you are cheating > SOVREN and the ABFM and compromising our liability insurance! > > TECH: Tech inspectors will at be at the track on Friday afternoon. > Tech will be held Saturday beginning at 7AM. You will be teched in > your paddock area on Friday and in the Pre-grid area as is usual at > PIR on Saturday morning. > > FRIDAY TESTING: As stated previously, the Lotus Club has rented the > track on Friday. There will be limited opportunities for testing > available. Telephone John Long at (425) 822-1368 days or Mark > Viskov at (503) 641-7693 for information and to make arrangements. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:24 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part C Message-ID: <53DB0732-AB59-4A2B-A848-60CDCD6AEF36@me.com> > MOTELS: While we have not blocked motel rooms, there are many > accommodations nearby. > > Best Western Inn at the Meadows - (503) 286-9600  mention ABFM for > their room block > Courtyard by Marriott- (503) 735-1818 > Red Lion at the Quay, Vancouver- (360) 695-8341 > Homewood Suites, Vancouver - (360) 695-8341 > > FEATURED RACES: On Saturday afternoon we have scheduled our > traditional BATTLE OF BRITAIN Race, which is a handicap race open to > all British race cars entered in the event. On Sunday > afternoon we will feature The 2009 Kastner Cup Race for all Triumph > and Triumph powered racing cars. If your car fits these features, > please plan to participate. > > ELECTRONIC TIMING: We will be using our AMB timing system. If you > have a rechargeable transponder, DO NOT FORGET TO CHARGE YOUR UNIT. > Rental units may be picked up at Registration > Saturday morning and must be returned to Drivers Services before > you leave the event. > > DRIVERS MEETINGS: The mandatory Drivers Meetings will be held in > the Tower Grandstand at 8:30AM Saturday and Sunday and Monday. BE > THERE! > > SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES: A tentative schedule is included with this > letter. If there is a change in schedule, a new schedule will be > distributed at Registration. Because of the sound variances, we had > constraints on when we could schedule the louder groups so the order > of the groups varies from day to day. Please check your schedule > each day. The really good news is that each participant will get > over 2 hours of track time and 5 races at this event and still get > an early start home on Monday. > > SOVREN Novice drivers for 2009 should be sure to note the debriefing > meetings Saturday and Sunday at the noon break. > > SOUND VARIANCE: We have a sound variance from the city of Portland > for the Exhibition group at 112 dBA and Groups 3 and 4 at 108 dBA, > with black-flag at 110 dBA, measured 50 feet from the track. > Other groups will be black flagged at 105 dBA. The start time of > some groups is affected by the sound variance. > > SOCIAL ACTIVITIES: > Sunday night: There will be a bar-b-que dinner in the party tent > for racers, crews and race volunteers on Sunday evening. This is > the time to dust off your vintage duds, dress up and be prepared to > rock on. > We plan to combine the best of our previous block parties with the > convenience of being on-site. Each entrant will receive 2 tickets > for the dinner with their entry. If you wish to purchase additional > tickets for the > party, please contact me as soon as possible as we have to give the > caterer a number before the weekend. Ticket price is $20 each for > the barbecue dinner and a beverage. Good music, yummy food, crazy > costumes- who can ask for more? > > Please remember that Saturday morning 800 All British Field Meet > cars will be arriving at the track at the same time you are > arriving. Plan accordingly and come early. We will try hard to > make things run as > smoothly as possible. If you have questions, you may contact Al > Murray at (425) 487-1902, or me at (425) 277-3177. > > We are looking forward to seeing you and your crew in Portland! > Judy Buckiingham From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:43 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part IV Message-ID: <37A984BA-83A7-4DC5-85A2-B38672FDB6C5@me.com> > REVISED 2009 COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC SCHEDULE > > RACE GROUPS > > Group 1 - VINTAGE & Formula V, & selected Small Bore Historic > > Group 2 - HISTORIC Small Bore > > Group 3 - HISTORIC Mid Bore & Large Bore & Sportsracers > > Group 4 - FORMULA Cars > > Group 5  FORMULA & EXHIBITION > > Friday Sept. 4 > > 12:00 - 6:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 12:00 - 5:00 Tech Inspection in your paddock location > > > > Saturday Sept. 5 > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 7:00 - ? Tech Inspection in pre-grid area > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:00 Track familiarization for drivers new > to PIR  in front of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:25 Group 1 Practice & Qualifying > > 9:35 - 10:00 Group 2 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:10 -10:35 Group 4 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:45 -11:10 Group 3 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:20 -11:45 Group 5 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > Group photo of Kastner Cup competitors in Festival > Turns > > 2:05 - 2:25 Group 5 Race #1 > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 3 Race #1 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 1 Race #1 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 2 Race #1 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 4 Race #1 > > 4:35 - 4:55 BATTLE OF BRITAIN Handicap Race- open to > all British race cars > > 5:00 Worker party- Fast Track Cafe > > 5:00 - ? Road course clear  ABFM track activities > > > > Sunday Sept. 6 > > 7:30 Chapel Service > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 8:55 - 9:15 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 4 Race #2 > > 9:55 - 10:15 Group 2 Race #2 > > 10:25 -10:45 Group 1 Race #2 > > 10:55 -11:15 Group 3 Race #2 > > 11:25 -11:45 Group 5 Race #2 > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > 2:00 - 2:25 KASTNER CUP RACE- all Triumph & Triumph > powered race cars > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 5 Race #3 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 3 Race #3 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 4 Race #3 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 2 Race #3 > > 4:35 - 4:55 Group 1 Race #3 > > 5:30 - ? BAR-B-QUE dinner in the party > tent at track- vintage dress encouraged > > > > Monday Sept. 7 > > 8:00 - 12:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower > Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:20 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 1 Race #4 > > 9:50 - 10:10 Group 2 Race #4 > > 10:20 -10:40 Group 3 Race #4 > > 10:45 -11:05 Groups 4 & 5 Race #4 > > 11:15 -11:35 Group 1 Race #5 > > 11:40 -12:00 Group 2 Race #5 > > 12:10 -12:30 Group 3 Race #5 > > 12:35 -12:55 Group 4 & 5 Race #5 > > > 1:00 Lunch & Worker's party at Fast Track Cafi From BILLB at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 17:49:56 2009 From: BILLB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:49:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Peyote Birthday Party References: <7701F148-1B0D-4EEF-87BC-6679DD27197C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Diane confirms that she will have alternate cuisine for those who prefer to eat further down the food chain. Face-eating refers someone who told us she didn't eat anything with a face. To which I replied "How about Oysters?". I guess I needed sensitivity training. Begin forwarded message: > From: Diane Jenkins > Date: August 21, 2009 1:05:07 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party > > I'll have veggie burgers on hand to aid downsizing or non-face > eating efforts. > Di > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> No problemo, Irv, though you know Lamb is the other, other white >> meat. Nothing is required but your smiling face and an appetite. >> >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Irv Korey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>> We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch >>> of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the >>> food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. >>> Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me >>> know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind >>> of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can >>> probably just graze in the paddock. >>> >>> Well, I'm not vegan, lacto, ove, nuevo, whatevero, but if there >>> could be a chicken breast or a veggie burger, that would certainly >>> help me with my downsizing program. And, I'd be happy to bring a >>> batch of either, or both, as my contribution to Peyote's birthday >>> party. Or anything else (wine, cheese, chips, whatever). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Irv From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 21 20:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux C doe. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 20:08:05 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2DD20C07-6A15-49FA-AB13-2B0F8FD281AE@bnj.com> I try to keep you on yer toez. But I confess I didn't think of that. On Aug 21, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux > C doe. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 22 07:55:53 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Austin-Healeys are going to Bonneville, Utah Message-ID: Not Triumph, but definitely cool. Paul Would you please pass this along to Boot 'n Bonnet members. Jim Reid and Martha McIntyre hosted Charles Matthews when he was here for the A-H Conclave - - this information will be in our next SPANNER, but because the speed attempts will be in September, it would be timely for our membership to have this information now. These attempts are to recreate the Austin-Healey record setting speed runs at Bonneville in 1954 (a fact that helped sell cars!!) Lois Logan Dear Lois, It was delightful to meet you at the conclave, and I hope that you have recovered from all your hard work. I had a good journey back home and have been very busy with historic car racing festivals and lots of people staying in my home. Jim passed along your message regarding information for the next edition of the SPANNER. The latest news on the Healeys Return to Bonneville project ... I am delighted to let you know that both the cars have now left Australia and are on their way to Seattle, where they are due to arrive on the 28th August. I attach an image of the cars before they left Australia. The teams' schedule is for the cars to go to John Wilson's workshop (Healey Lane Restorations) in Eugene, Oregon after clearing US customs. They will then be on show at the Portland All British Car Field Meeting from 5th to 7th September before going to Miller Motorsports Park on Saturday 12th for the AHCA Bonneville Clubs event. Technical inspection for the world of Speed starts on Monday 14th, and the event starts on Wednesday 16th. If the cars are successful, then they will run on Thursday and maybe even Friday. Dave Maxwell (AHCA Bonneville) in conjunction with Wendover City council are setting up a technical forum in the community centre for 19.00 on Wednesday evening where the whole team will be present together with Gordon Whitby (original Austin mechanic at the record runs) and Ron Christensen (USFRA historian). I am very pleased to let you know that Roy Jackson-Moore (one of the last survivors of the 1954 record team) will be attending the event, and I am travelling with him, arriving in Salt Lake City at midnight on Thursday 10th September. We hope that Carroll Shelby will also be joining the team. Carroll has some health issues, so his decision will be last minute ... we are keeping our fingers crossed that he will be well enough to join us on the salt. Charles Matthews Team Manager teammanager at healeysreturntobonneville.com www.healeysreturntobonneville.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A-H Streamliner & Endurance Cars July 09.jpg] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 22 09:36:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question Message-ID: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to figure out some alternate arrangement. Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 22 10:59:46 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:59:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question In-Reply-To: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> References: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0B415045-F237-45DE-B1D9-1CEF5919394E@bnj.com> It's mostly paved. Usually we set up in the grass pits, but there may not be any with the All British Field Meet there. If we can get in the grass we will. I tie my canopy to the car and my trailer even when I'm in the grass. PIR is not generally windy, though you never know. I've seen an occasional flying canopy there, but nothing like Sears Point (Infineon) On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to > pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to > figure out some alternate arrangement. > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 22 11:00:00 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR Danville 300 April 18, 1971 TR4 #67 Message-ID: <001401ca2349$fcae3320$0d00a8c0@latitudefb1e41> Does anyone know anything about this car or the drivers? Danville 300 Virginia International Raceway, Danville, Virginia Date: 18/4/1971 Finishers: 22 Pole position: Fastest lap: Distance: 300 miles, Average speed: 121,31 kmh Weather: Ruleset: IMSA GT Car info: GTO, GTU, TO, TU, A and B Pos Pos in class # Team / Entrant Drivers, Nationality Engine Engine Group Car- Engine vol. (cc) Type DNF 8 67 Derek Sims, USA 1991 L4 GTU Triumph TR4 Howard Smith, USA From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 22 23:03:41 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] List interruption Message-ID: <20090823050341.2E4462E0B6@bradakis.com> First off, let me say thanks to those who have recently contributed to the continued running of Team.Net - I do appreciate it. I think I have all the AOL folks back on the list as before. If you're an AOL subscriber and you didn't get this email, let me know ;-) Monday, August 24, the local power company will be doing some work in my neighborhood. Power may be off here at the house for several hours. I'll be shutting down the servers that morning, and they could be off until later that afternoon. So if you send off a message and don't see it for a while, or you can't get to the archives or forums, be patient, things will get back to normal. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 17:10:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:10:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice looking TR3 Message-ID: <4A91CC59.3020803@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16 Gee, I should have taken a picture of the nice shiny new control head I put in the steering column the other day. mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 19:15:26 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt lube and torque specs Message-ID: <506791.48246.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Anybody have a line on where to get ARP bolt lube and a reference for APR 2000 torque specs? Bob Blake From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 24 17:48:29 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: <4A9326CD.4050501@bradakis.com> A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 24 18:33:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: It's awful. Must have been the power of suggestion from Gary Fuqua. I still itch from two years ago. I went to the EAA Covention with it in 2007 and ate 800 mg. Ibuprofen. I think a shot at early onset can mitigate the symptoms. Otherwise, the shot will nearly prevent future cases of it. Hope it isnt shingles. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:12:27 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 Message-ID: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> List Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. Thanks, Greg Lund From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:22:42 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod Kent Welcome Message-ID: <4A934AF2.8070609@cyberspeedway.net> List, Rod will be a welcome addition to our ranks. I crewed for Rod for 15 years and would never have learned my Tr6 stuff without his help. He will always help out a friend in trouble at the track. We had a lot of fun and he is a consumate sportsman. I noticed his lap times always picked up when he had a Porsche in front to chase, especially Wolfgang. Greg Lund From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 24 20:27:10 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 In-Reply-To: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> References: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> Message-ID: <20090825022800.E1F32187659@autox.team.net> Picture of the car on the first page of this PDF http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOAOct72.pdf At 07:12 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >List > Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? > There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. >Thanks, >Greg Lund >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 24 20:47:51 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:47:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2009 7:51:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. ==AM== Well, if you hadn't had chicken pox as a child, you wouldn't have shingles now. Let that be a lesson to you. Heck, it took Letterman a month to recover: _http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamur phy/main547111.shtml_ (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamurphy/main547111.shtml) Best wishes for a quick recovery! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 15:43:06 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing For Charity Message-ID: Hi, This is pure unadulterated spam, so feel free to hit delete now. I wanted to "ring" all of you about what I'm doing this weekend. I'll be "racing against leukemia" with my Sports Car Club of America friends. In short, pretty much all the money collected the weekend for pledge runs in the autocross, a time, speed, distance rallye, road racing, track tours, etc. will all be turned over to the UMass Memorial Foundation earmarked for Leukemia research. Please go to: http://www.firstgiving.com/robertlang1 and consider making a donation of any size. If you're in a $$$ squeeze, don't frett, the site will accept donations up 'till 30-NOV-2009 And _tell your friends and extended family_, please. Thanks so much. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 10:02:50 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Aug 26 16:00:00 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fot art de armand reinstate new email provider 'riverside @southslope.net' In-Reply-To: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <8CBF4AFB151E02E-13EC-383F8@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> I nominate Art De Armand for reinstatement.?? He says he misses us. -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: fot Joe ? thanks for helping me get back with the group ? ? art From niteseeker at mac.com Wed Aug 26 16:15:26 2009 From: niteseeker at mac.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: <3B2E0DBF-4695-45EA-9AF9-56DC152468AD@mac.com> Sorry to post here but am trying to save a spitfire from the crusher or me from a tongue lashing for buying another car A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 26 16:36:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: <0DD31B95-2F22-4CCC-84CC-DD714F5CC440@bnj.com> Scott, where are you located? I have a fairly new pacer that I plan to sell cheaply. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but > extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating > that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm > looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - > are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas > consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good > or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford > to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 23 09:10:14 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TTA in Iowa Lunch with John Macartney and the Stag known as 'uncle jack' Message-ID: <8CBF21AF3D1222A-8A8-6895@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Lists Right now the plan is to meet at the Clear Lake Perkins restaurant for lunch at 11:30AM this Friday. This is the intended handoff from Omaha to Minneapolis. If you are within striking distance and would like to join us for lunch, please do. I-80 and I-35?will likely be the limited exposure he will have to our wonderful state. Regards, Joe Alexander ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Aug 26 16:07:55 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 26 21:22:34 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pixs from the Historics Message-ID: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> IF your TR is numbered 29, 34 or 116 and you were at the Monterey Historics they are pictured in the September Newsletter that I just published on the DCTRA website. http://www.dctra.org/News/Sep2009.pdf Along with a munched Ferrari Link to the complete on-line DCTRA Newsletter archive http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Aug 27 04:24:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Transport in NE? Empty Trailer Available Message-ID: I should be returning this coming Saturday & Sunday (8/29 & 30) with an empty car hauler from Buffalo, via Brewster, NY, through White Plans, through NJ, through Philadelphia, finishing in Reading, PA, if anyone is looking for a car to be transported. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 27 12:21:11 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 available cheap Message-ID: <390292.77826.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, My best friend's neighbor is being foreclosed upon. He has a 71 TR6 that's been in his back yard for many years that needs to go away quickly. Car is just west of Madison WI in Cross Plains. It is complete but interior and body are rough. That's about all I know. If anyone has interest in saving it from the crusher, please contact Loren Ziglin at 608-219-0870 cell or 608-798-4826 home. If any FOT has interest I could possibly help with transport and short-term local storage. I just have no room or interest for another project. Gary Schneider From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 28 07:09:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:09:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advice to clerify car handling In-Reply-To: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> References: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walther Roehl said once about oversteer and understeer. If you can see the tree you hit, then it is understeer. If you only can hear the tree, then it was oversteer. ;-) Cheers Chris and happy listening From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 28 16:06:00 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test run, sort of Message-ID: <4A9854C8.2070900@bradakis.com> Karen and I will soon be heading down to Cedar City, a few hundred miles south of Salt Lake. Even with the meds the doctor gave me for shingles, I am still in a fair amount of pain and discomfort. But this weekend's trip to the Shakespeare fest should give me a good indication of whether or not I can make it to Portland next weekend. We shall see. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 16:44:50 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:44:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PIR in-car video Message-ID: <673993c50908281544s507cc303s9e7526b0d31f28b6@mail.gmail.com> There is some good Spec Miata video of PIR floating around that a few of you might appreciate With chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di8uR5Nib8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLK02PN2Xc without chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zeHI06xeM and what not to do.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuq_t7seA Good luck to everyone heading out there, Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 28 17:46:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Monterey Historics photos Message-ID: Here are some Monterey Historics photos from a friend in my email group....'THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE GANG click on the link below Racer Bud..Spitfire#21 > Hey Bud, > > I finished going over my photos from the Historics, so feel free to check > 'em out and pass this on to the "gang." > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=2009+Monterey+Historic+Races > > I have been busy over the summer and there are a bunch of other photo sets > which I'm sure folks will find interesting. The latest sets of photos can > always be found here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/newestimages.php > > Hope all is well, and enjoy! Thanks. > > Michael ATSPEED Plitkins > > PS: The latest toy is here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=lotus+35+%2335f23 . We are working > on checking it out and getting it ready for next year! From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Aug 29 09:01:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:01:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition Message-ID: <8D65E8CC3C7A4671855ADE53B528D9AC@Pendys> FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 29 10:05:03 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FWIW ClampTite tool Message-ID: <000301ca28c2$7a770f70$6f652e50$@com> I was up at EAA this year and bought this really neat tool for making hose clamps, or any other type of clamp, using stainless steel or regular wire, and this tool. The tool is a "ClampTite" "The clamp making tool". Their web site is www.clamptitetools.com There are 2 videos on the site showing 2 different styles of clamps. Looks to be really handy at the track. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 30 08:17:03 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Message-ID: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:20:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:31:43 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AAEF2D66A3C4FEB894E53E6986D6642@your4dacd0ea75> Winchester Blue 2922 TR3 1957/8 http://www.vtr.org/maintain/paint-charts/martin-senour-colors.jpg There is a reference here. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: August 30, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Aug 30 08:34:12 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <5295DF1B922142B3B261140875D05568@Dell5100Laptop> Bob, I looked into this some years ago and got the following email from Don Pikovnic of ICI paints. Don From: donp at ncweb.com [mailto:donp at ncweb.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 8:08 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Winchester Blue, et al Listers, Powder Blue (ICI # 8103) is just what the name says, a light pastel blue. Wedgwood Blue (ICI # 5814) is similar in color but with significantly more gray and somewhat darker. Winchester Blue (ICI # 2922) could be described as a "pastel-like" navy blue, much darker than either of the above. Royal Blue (aka Midnight Blue ICI # 4665) is a deep, clean navy blue, very dark. For the past several months, I have been developing a color guide to postwar British cars, including Triumph, MG, Austin-Healey, and Jaguar. To that end, I have sprayed roughly 150 colors with ICI "2K" single layer urethane automotive paint onto 3" x 5" metal sample panels and have a nearly complete set for Tr2-6. These panels will serve as color standards with which we can produce a color guide. My company manufactures color cards and I intend to use our manufacturing capabilities to produce my color guide. BTW, nearly ALL colors that were used on these vehicles are readily available in a state-of-the-art coating from ICI Autocolor. Anyone interested can call ICI customer service at 1-800-647-6050 for the location of a local supplier or contact me directly for more info. Don Pikovnik Coloramic Process, Inc. 440-275-1199 donp at ncweb.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:41:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:41:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Bound with Ambro...leaving Tuesday Message-ID: Kastner Cup folks.... The Ambro went to Minneapolis, from Iowa, via I-35 chasing John Macartney and 'uncle jack'. Trip was successful. 'Uncle jack' and John doing well on the Triumph Tour of America serving the cause of PTSD. The ARE Ambro will be going to Portland but unlikely running in the Kastner Cup. It may be used in other ways. I think we are set for the presentation of the Kastner Cup and I have the traveling Bill Ames commemorative plaque and it will be presented to another worthy Triumph Enthusiast, with the last recipient being Larry Young. Since I have no entry in place I am looking for credentials for myself and Jan and a place in the paddock for the Ambro, if I may. Can anyone help? Regards, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:50:48 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:50:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland's Columbia River Class Part II Message-ID: Oh yes, I will also have FOT 3 x 5 stickers with me. They were produced by Joe Curry and I need to settle with him, as he paid for them. Buy them so I can do that. I got one check in the mail on my last appeal to sell. I am also bringing some Uncle Jack Stickers for those who would like to display on their cars. Some requests were made for various A.R.E. parts and those folks may want to remind me on what they were and quantity. Wheels spacers and velocity stacks come to mind, but I didnt write anything down. Thanks! Joe A From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 30 11:19:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Aug 30 12:17:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:17:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Message-ID: Amici... I got this email from Wm. Severin Thompson, of Team Thicko fame. I thought I would pass it along in case someone out there is lusting for nice streetable Triumph Herald. I have no financial interest, nor personal knowledge of the car whatsoever. I do respect Bill Thompson's opinion in such matters. Bill Dentinger Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:25:14 -0400 Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA088-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090830172458.BZXZ6957.mta21.charter.net at imp09> for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from WSTGateway ([24.196.117.27]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ahQy1c00A0bYsz405hQytW; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Jal7eBYqAAAA:8 a=rJQXlOBULgneMeUKYtgA:9 a=T8XNWcWqLwjeQcBAoWQA:7 a=nDhQpsO0X3AlL4OthDu6ionSPWwA:4 a=2mpnCoypJiUA:10 a=KyBbQrBoNV0A:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=iaQ29CPlxeMA:10 a=bbB9BQdpiA_-WoUE:21 a=bx4HE-sy4tD9oniP:21 From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "Bill Dentinger" Subject: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000401ca2996$c7d070c0$57715240$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acoplc9nQhopxPdFRH6dYqYDGQ1RMwAAPKlA Content-Language: en-us X-AOL-IP: 216.33.127.81 -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Foster Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:18 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Was out for a drive yesterday in my 73 Midget and as I pulled into Arby's I got flagged down by an older gentlemen. He has a 1965 Triumph Herald convertible he's wanting to sell. Said he's had it for two years now and whenever the weather is nice enough to drive the Herald he'd rather ride one of his motorcycles. Said it's a solid rust free car and while not a show car it's a nice 20 footer and a nice driver. Red with "perfect" black interior and top; he has replaced the carpet recently. New tires, battery, water pump, starter, radiator hoses, and front brake pads and turned rotors. He did confide that the previous owner had trouble with a leaking rear wheel cylinder and blocked off the line to the rear brakes - he hasn't fixed this saying the front discs do a good job for the around town driving he uses it for. He's asking $3,500. The gentleman's name is Lyle VanHouten, he's in Clarence, Missouri (where he ran a service station for many years), and phone number is 660-699-2256. I have no idea what Herald prices are like but would go take a look myself if not for current uneconomic conditions. All normal disclosures apply ... NFI, not responsible if it rolls over your cat, eats your homework, stains your driveway, yada, yada ... You are subscribed as wsthompson at thicko.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 30 12:20:47 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A0E1C564E484A3ABEDAF2C3AD588C0B@Elliott> Here's a photo of a TR3 with its light grey top up in Winchester Blue. I don't know where the photo came from or who the owner is. Plus a Salvador Blue with a black top that was for sale on E-bay. From California. Also a very early TR3A was at Stowe VT in 1995 next to my black TR3A. He had bought this TR3A from his uncle in PA who had bought it brand new in late 1957 just when the new TR3As were coming available. He found a spot under the rear skuttle under the gas filler cap and had a local PPG paint shop make him enough for a total re-spray. He was living in Williston VT near Burlington at the time. I have not seen him since 1995. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A. Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Bob'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester > blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM > To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html > > Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester > > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint > > Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 > Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. > > Bob > "1957 TR3 in progress" > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR3 Winchester Blue.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Salvador Blue TR3 TS15107L.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of tr_group.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 01:38:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:38:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay Message-ID: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, barely. A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - shucks. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 07:55:28 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:55:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record Message-ID: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 08:30:57 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219873.12803.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> A 2.32:1 on a four mile track is just plan fast. The Kettle must be the last chance tune up event prior to the National Run Offs. I'd say Sargis has the car tuned and hopefully he can carry that into the Run Offs. --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Bob Adams wrote: Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 31 11:22:08 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay In-Reply-To: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> References: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear that Mark, I'll send you a Bratwurst and some lamb. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:38 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, > barely. > A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from > my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like > 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. > > I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. > The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - > shucks. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Aug 31 11:41:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record References: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record > Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his > Spitfire > (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! > > Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). > > -Bob Adams > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at CRC In-Reply-To: <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> References: <8cbd782d0908111109t3ccf6d72v7b30c0de066ce4c8@mail.gmail.com> <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908311050l4c48c7c8rba98ced42b2b7ec0@mail.gmail.com> Well, my TR6 decided for itself that it would not compete. At an Alfa club track day last week, something let loose in the engine midway up the front straight at Seattle [i.e., over 100 mph]. No obvious external damage. Still turns over. Will do damage assessment sometime, but not real soon. So, I am sponsoring one of the races and will be there all day Saturday and Sunday for the festivities. If SOVREN was not to let me drive due to novice status, I was intending to make the car available to someone who could drive it. Sorry that is not too be, it sure was pulling well -- easily overr 6000 RPM a end of strait with a 3.5 rear end! Fully intend to be at as many TR events as possible next year. Gonna build two engines and trannies! Chuck On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > I hope you had a successful race weekend at Portland. I checked with Al > Murray to see if he had made a decision on your participation at the CRC. > He said he was waiting to hear from you with your results from the weekend. > > I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you! Judy > On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> First things first: I would like to sponsor a Group 2 race -- how do I >> get signed up and my funds to you? >> >> Second: I tried to do novice this year but the car would not >> cooperate. I have done one ICSSC event this year, and anticipate >> racing at Portland this weekend --am still a novice, but have 4 races >> under my belt. I am an avid Triumph enthusiast and would be racer >> [gotta be to have gone through all the grief of the last three years]. >> I am a member of FOT [friends of Triumph] and friend of all SOVREN Tr >> racers. I REALLY want to race in the exhibition "Kastener Kup" race >> at CRC--do not intend/want at this point to do any of the other races >> [next year!!!]. >> >> Can this be made to happen? How would I register/pay? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Aug 31 12:46:26 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001ca2a6b$58d1eb60$0a75c220$@org> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is decided yet!). Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 31 13:02:36 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:02:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup Message-ID: Jeff, Kastner Cup will be at Heartland Park near Topeka, KS. This will be mid-August and features a major sponsor in O'Reilly Auto Parts. The govenrnor & the mayor will be in attendance, and the National Guard will do flybys. A significant band will be playing for entertainment and BBQ will abound. There is some discussion TV coverage, but I dont know the details. Organized by Bill Brinke and Gary Fuqua, it promises to be a great event with low cost and plenty of track time. You will likely here more from Gary, shortly. Joe A....Packing for Portland > Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is > decided yet!). > > Thanks, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Aug 31 14:31:16 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Message-ID: I'm happy to get into the 2.40s at RA. 2.32 is insane!! Can't wait to witness The Runoffs here in my backyard. On 8/31/09 12:41 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Adams" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM > Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap > record > > >> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his >> Spitfire >> (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! >> >> Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). >> >> -Bob Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 17:26:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question Message-ID: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the GT6 upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Mon Aug 31 17:38:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:38:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> References: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different. Check the part numbers perhaps? On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone > with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. > I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the > GT6 > upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't > tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. > > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 17:44:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A9C6050.90102@bradakis.com> The big TR cars and the Herald-based cars like the GT6 have completely different A arms. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 20:25:37 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 02:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition In-Reply-To: <56887406.6104421251771794277.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> take the electromotive and put it on the shelf. replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no iginition failures. most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 21:11:05 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC> Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a couple WPTA guys. Bruce Stutzman From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Aug 1 06:53:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Larry Young FedX broke my cam in two In-Reply-To: References: <1955879176.5280381249056954157.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A743ABE.8070103@pobox.com> I'm here. Was too busy yesterday to afternoon to check the FoT. Bob, your cores arrived safe and sound, and one has gone on to the grinder. FedEx must have to really work at it to break a cam. Larry Kramer, Robert wrote: > I've copied Larry so you can see his address. Larry, did my cores arrive alive? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 1 11:18:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hotel recommendation needed for a FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3696DD0F-E856-438D-B2EB-31E9184E6149@bnj.com> Kas and most of the FOT members are staying at the Red Lion Inn at Jantzen Beach. I've been extremely remiss in not getting over there and negotiating a rate--I'm pleading being absurdly busy lately. I'll call them this afternoon. On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hi Bill, > I'll be coming up for the vintage event labor day weekend. I'm > wondering if you could make a hotel recommendation. I've been on the > PIR website and there are a number of possibilities near the track. > Some inside info from a local would be appreciated. You'll be missed > at Monterey this year but we'll see you in Portand. > Thanks, > Dave Hogye > Santa Cruz,Ca. > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Aug 2 08:19:21 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:19:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire pistons needed Message-ID: <20090802141933.0D90B187669@autox.team.net> I am trying to bring my son's 1500cc Spitfire engine back to life but I am short two .060 overbored cast aluminum flat top pistons. Does any FOT member have a used couple of pistons or a full set of four at a good price they'd be willing to let me buy? Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico email: walt at hot-tr6.com _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 68652 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 3 07:02:46 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:02:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Message-ID: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNga OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 3 08:21:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:21:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Liquidation of Parts and Tools by Jack Wheeler -NFI Message-ID: List, Jack Wheeler has a boring machine, fixture and hone that has been used for many years for doing cylinder liners. This for sale at the right price. He also has a very complete engine 'kit' that left by a customer that passed away. He asking for what he is owed. He also has useful cores in blocks, one head, and cams. I am sure he has more. He can be reached at jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Regards, Joe Alexander From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Aug 3 08:54:22 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001ca144a$4a884360$df98ca20$@com> I have a hard copy of the instructions for the front hub spacer kit. I can have my wife scan them this evening and e-mail them to you. The scanner is on her computer and the scanner and I don't get along! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted anywhere on the net? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Free health insurance quotes. Great rates for individuals and families. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOiVVks5L24jNRtu3LYaNg a OFEg0o2pWcB6VMqQDnu5lo0NtLRcc/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 17:32:47 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2010 shirts Message-ID: <822019.63487.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: I have just reviewed the shirt orders for the Kastner Cup at PIR. At this time I have orders for 14 t-shirts and 2 short sleeve shirts. The pricing was quoted on 100 t-shirts and 25 short sleeve shirts so as you can see we are no where near the quantities needed to make this happen. Thursday is the drop dead date for ordering. I have included the instructions for ordering below if you are interested. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. ___________________________________ From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 3 17:56:21 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3-6 Front Axle Spacers In-Reply-To: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20090803.090246.26440.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090803235653.E0817187647@autox.team.net> I e-mailed Joe the current instructions... - Tony Drews At 08:02 AM 8/3/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >Amici, I am just getting around to installing the front axle spacers that i >bought from Mark Weathers in 2004, but can not find the instructions. There >was a recent thread about such spacers and keeping a 0.002" spacing, so I >figured it would be best to get the instructions and do it right. Does anyone >have a copy of the instructions they could email or fax or are they posted >anywhere on the net? Joe(B) From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 12:45:46 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> /w3R29Q: Permission denied From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 4 14:03:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual AFR gauges In-Reply-To: <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A5A9CE0@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <4A7881DA.4080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4A789407.6090101@pobox.com> From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 20:27:00 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirt update Message-ID: <325248.21444.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: Okay this time I'll address the 2009 Kastner Cup shirts. To date I have orders for 27 t-shirts and 4 crew shirts; far short of what is needed. Again here is the ordering instructions. Deadline is this Thursday. If you have questions, please contact me. thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 4 22:27:56 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal Message-ID: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Anyone have a suggestion or a neat little trick I have not thought of to get a stuck front oil seal out of the timing cover of a TR3/4? Last night I tried tapping it out from the front, but that just bent the seal inner lip. Then I tried prying between the front cover and the front of the seal, but that seals to be bending the lip of the front cover seal register not moving the stuck front seal. Part has now been soaking in mineral spirits for 24 hours, I'll give it a try again tomorrow. Just hoping one of you has already figured this one out. Thanks, Greg BTW The executive editor of "Spirit" (Southwest airlines rag) has an entertaining piece about the 24 hours of LeMons in the current issue. He was apparently a part of team TARP. That looks like a crazy bunch of folks. No mention of the TR7 entrant that I seem to remember reading about on FOT a while back. http://www.spiritmag.com/features/article/lap_dogs/ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 5 09:35:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Removal of front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001ca1585$1b2edc50$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090805153514433.UPYZ557@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Keep in mind, you aren't trying to save that old seal. I have, on occasion, wound up entirely destroying the seal and removing it in pieces. Eg, grab the inner lip with vise grips, and pry it out. If it breaks, bend down the broken corners, grab them and try again. As an absolute last resort, cut a groove in just the seal outer housing (you'll have pried and broken all of the inner bits away by now) with a Dremel and cutoff wheel. Not all the way through, just enough to weaken it so it will break there. Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 11:53:26 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? Doug From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 12:31:39 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes Message-ID: I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 13:30:39 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bearing needs to be able to move side to side by some amount in order to change brake bias. Let it move too far out one end or the other and Bad Things Happen. (Been there, done that, got the tatoo!) I think Caroll's suggestion is to have a circlip to limit the amount of adjustment available is a wise one. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Aug 5 13:41:25 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Aug 5 14:37:53 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. > Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to > screw the brearing out of the tube. > > Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver > adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar > "should" > prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the > Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. > > > > Tony > > > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical > bearing > > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from > side > > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 15:57:09 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9B257BDC7B4C05B0621556720C328F@INSPIRON> Thanks I could not get comfortable with the set up It seemed that it could move out of bias just from shifting back and forth but the movement does not effect bias change and the float allows the master push rods to move with out binding which a fixed spherical bearing could cause . rob ----- Original Message ----- From: robert bownes To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes By the way, should you manage to do this, the failure mode I found is no brakes at all. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: Carroll Smith put the Circlips at the ends of the tube in the brake pedal. Lola,chevron etc have driver adjustable balance bars and it is poassable to screw the brearing out of the tube. Titon system use loc nuts ether side of the pedal. If you get the driver adjustable set up and remove the nuts, the taper on the balance bar "should" prevent the bearing from coming out of the tube in the Pedal............provided all is set up correctly. Tony > From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:39 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] brakes > > I do not understand why the tilton system does not lock the spherical bearing > on center inside the brake peddle pivot sleeve > > Carroll Smith on the other hand wants the spherical bearing locked with > circlips inside the brake peddle sleeve. To ensure it will not shift from side > to side resulting in an unwanted bias change thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 5 18:13:50 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <555674.50592.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090806001412.2A9F91898C8@autox.team.net> I THINK it's just myself and Bob Wismer that are going - at least according to the entry list I got a day or two ago. - Tony Drews At 12:53 PM 8/5/2009, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > >Doug From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Thu Aug 6 01:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 "racetorations" telescopic rear shockies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090806072119.JIAM21119.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> I have obtained a set of UK "Racetorations" brackets to convert the rear on a TR6 to telescopic shocks Can anyone help with length data on the correct shocks to go with these? Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 18:14:24 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Shirts Message-ID: <756662.38776.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Everyone: Anyone who may still want to order shirts please let me know tonight. Ordering instructions follow. Thanks, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. 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Designs and pricing can be found at the CRClassic website: http://www.crclassic.com/ If you have any questions, please contact me using my email; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com. __________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 14:37:05 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:37:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance Message-ID: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise to check the rod bearings with plastigage. I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in order). I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts that Plastigage is not accurate. This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many years. Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before trashing them. I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without taking it all apart. Advice? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Aug 7 22:53:00 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <21FC159599404D028883E354ECED297F@TER2> Steve, The standard of .003" clearance was esspecially for stock rods which do not stay as round as a Carrillo rod will. Just the same I would like to see .002 to .0025" as a minimum figure. We have run engines with as much as .0045" with no ill effects, but that is going in the other direction. Plasticgage can be used accurately, it is just not the preferred method of checking clearance. To use plasticgage, you must be sure to use the correct side, and ANY dirt or debrie will affect the results. You must be careful not to press down on the plastigage and must let the "clearance" between the bearing and the journal do the pressing on the plastigage. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance >I am getting ready to install my newly assembled TR3 motor into my car. >Because of a bearing failure at my last event, I thought it would be wise >to check the rod bearings with plastigage. > I put the motor back on the stand, pulled the pan and checked the rod > bearing clearance. Here are the results: 0015, .00175 .0020, .0015 (in > order). > I thought we were looking for close to .003. I have read from other posts > that Plastigage is not accurate. > > This crank is not new. In fact, it has been racing for 25 years. It is > .010 under, and magged OK. The journals have been freshly polished. Also, > this crank has been mated to the same set of Carillo rods for as many > years. > Perhaps these tri-metal bearings from BPNW may be different from the old > ones. I don't know because I didn't plastigage the old bearings before > trashing them. > > I am thinking about getting a set of ACL bearings and seeing if the > plastigage results are different. Also, I could take the assembled motor > to the machine shop and they can re-measure everything there without > taking it all apart. > > Advice? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2289 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00 From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 11:28:27 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:28:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Con Rod Bearing clearance In-Reply-To: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10204589.1249677425805.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4C5D9E94-BC31-455A-AAFD-87C8E3799158@comcast.net> I recently assembled a GT-6 engine, and checked the clearances several ways. It is time consuming, and requires the use of micrometers, etc. If you do not have these, find someone who does or invest in some. By the time I got done paying the machinist, I was halfway to a single micrometer purchase. The goal is to get all of the clearances approximately equal. This can usually be accomplished by mixing and matching the bearings, as they are usually not perfectly uniform in thickness. If you are really going for perfection, it may help to have a second set of bearings from which to select. measure all the rod and main crank journals. They should be mic'd at four locations, being "front" and "rear" and again at 90 degrees to the first location. This will determine if they are round or egg shaped, and if they were tapered by the polishing belt. Hopefully, this will confirm that you have a good machinist! I found on my cranks that they were almost exactly round (one was 0.0002 out), but that one main had about 4/10,000 of taper from the leading edge to the trailing, caused by the belt presumably being pushed harder against the front edge. Measure all the bearing shells with a micrometer. You will need a ball tip on the mic because of the concave surface. These should be measured on each side of the oil channel or at two locations on the rod bearings. I found, depending on manufacturer, either great consistency or up to 5/10,000 variance from one to another, and 2/10,000 from one side to another. Now you see how you can adjust the clearances. Measure the bores of the con rods and of the main bearing bores. For this, you need an inside mic or other bore- measuring device, and the caps should be torqued to the correct spec do the math, subtracting the bearing thicknesses and crankpin diameter from the bore diameter. I used an excel spreadsheet so I could compare and re-shuffle the bearing measurements. Using one set of bearings, I was able to get variation down to about 2/10,000 on the mains and 4/10,000 on the rods I then confirmed all this with plastigage on assembly and found the same results in terms of tolerance, though the absolute clearance dimension varied by a few 10,000s. The other way to do this is with an inside bore gage, assembling the bearings in the bores and torquing them down. You still need to move them around to get the best combinations. From walt at hot-tr6.com Sat Aug 8 22:19:17 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:19:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 road racer Message-ID: <20090809041929.6327C18E902@autox.team.net> An on line car magazine has finished an article on my TR6 racecar. The link is: http://www.retromod-mag.com/hot-6/ I could have not finished this 1970 TR6 racecar project without the help and guidance of my friends at FOT. A special thanks go out to Kas Kastner and Richard Good. My son Drew (21 years old) helped with the heavy lifting in building this car last year. Drew and I enjoyed may long hours putting this car together. Drew is becoming a very good autocrosser and is starting to get his feet wet in road racing. I have also introduced auto crossing to my 18 years old son Kurt and my 16 year old daughter Casey. They are having a great time learning how a fast car handles. My kids are beginning to understand why I get a kick out of playing with fast cars over the past 45 years. Anyway, I thought you might get a kick out of this link. Enjoy Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 70815 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 11:39:06 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:39:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Hello All, FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he doesn't get a nice sofa! Hope to see you there. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From oldspeed72 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 11:53:53 2009 From: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com (Mark Vanlake) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] New track !! Message-ID: <343290.15779.qm@web111006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Finally a decent road course in the Deep South. Check it out. This is between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. The track is call "The Circuit at Grand Bayou" and when completed will be 4.5 miles!!!! http://filelibrary.myaasite.com/Content/10/10675/30519312.pdf From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 9 12:17:25 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:17:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Track in Arizona Message-ID: <20090809181820.81DFB18765F@autox.team.net> I'll chime in on new tracks. Just heard about this one yesterday when I was out Instructing at Firebird. One of the Instructors has called the owner and is working on setting up a day for us to go down and check it out. Rumor is that NASA-AZ is working getting us a date or two at the track next year. Found these photos http://www.southwestrides.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16139&page=4 Here is the website for the track http://www.indemotorsports.com/ So... For those in AZ and NM looks like we will have a new place to play! From earthron at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 14:00:54 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested Message-ID: <609491.11329.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Passing along a So Cal new track help request from VARA. Ron Jones 1963 TR4 Race 1958 TR3A In restoration --- On Fri, 8/7/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: From: vara at rrevs.net Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park - Assistance requested To: earthron at yahoo.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:47 PM August 7, 2009 Dear Members, Many of you may be aware that our long time member & sponsor Tom Malloy of Trench Shoring is attempting to build a new race track, the Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park, a world class race track about 20 miles northwest of Lancaster. Tom is getting opposition from a few environmentalists: Anyone that knows Tom can be certain that this new facility will bring only benefit to the surrounding area and community. Tom is one of the most generous and conscientious people I have had the privilege to know. TOM NEEDS OUR IMMEDIATE HELP, as you know Tom has supported you, as a member of VARA for numerous years. The very least we can do is each take a few short minutes of our time to write a few paragraphs and email or mail a letter to the County of Los Angeles. You are also invited to attend the hearing that will be held on September 2nd in Los Angeles in support of Tom and his new track. Below are links to a letter from Tom, which has the pertinent information for your letter and the location of the hearing as well as a brochure of the track. Please take the time to read it. If you have questions you can contact Tom at 951-739-0508 Tom's Letter (PDF) Track Brochure (PDF) YOUR LETTERS NEED TO BE AT THE COUNTY BY AUGUST 19! Please note that Tom has asked a few organizations to support him on this. You may get some duplicate requests. One letter will do. HE REALLY NEEDS OUR SUPPORT. Sincerely, Darlene Longacre General Manager VARA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sun Aug 9 19:33:57 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 SU dual intake needed Message-ID: <4A7F7905.30505@141.com> Amici, We're in need of a 1300 intake manifold for twin 1-1/4" SUs. Would anyone have a spare one they would be interested in selling? Thanks! Brad From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:24:32 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRF Summer Party 2009 Message-ID: We just got back from the 2009 Roadster Factory Summer Party. HAD AN ABSOLUTE BLAST. It was great visiting with everybody. Below are a couple of videos. Do a cut and paste. One is an in-car video of me in the Spitfire at the autocross and the second is Jason in Evelyn's TR8 at the LemMans Start contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvbaOhfDZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHLZCspTWY Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Aug 10 05:45:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations References: <2DE6386D-4D39-4391-91DF-10F19CA6E22D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005701ca19b0$6ec34570$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: "Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer" To: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > It's on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I haven't > stayed there since the '80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isn't satisfied if he > doesn't get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 10 08:33:23 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/10/2009 8:11:41 AM Central Daylight Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > Amici, > > Any members of this esteemed list going to Grattan August 14-16? > Amici... GRATTAN is my favorite track. Bob Wismer and I plan to be there. Bill Dentinger PS The weekend is sure to include some time in memory of Uncle Jack. For sure we'll be smoking good stogies and sipping single malted scotch out at Turn ONE of those evenings. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 10:00:03 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Message-ID: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM TOBIN To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the Vintage GP at the Glen? BillOriginal Message ----- From: Greg Lunker Hilyer To: FOT Triumph Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > Hello All, > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > doesnt get a nice sofa! > Hope to see you there. >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 10:08:38 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 2009 Kastner Cup t-shirt appeal Message-ID: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> FOT: As you are aware I have been taking orders for shirts for this years Kastner Cup at Columbia River Classic to be held at PIR Labor Day weekend. I did not receive as many orders as planned but I still hope to make this work. I have spoken with the supplier and they have agreed to hold the price if I can place an order for 50 t-shirts, I currently have orders for 40 t-shirts. Thank you to those who have placed orders. Now I really need a few more people to step forward to place orders for another 10 t-shirts. The following link will take you to the Columbia River Classic website where you can see the shirt design. The first design you will see is the design for the back of the t-shirt. There will be an FOT Coat of Arms over the left breast area. http://www.crclassic.com/ The cost of the t-shirts are: S - XL $9.00 2XL - 4XL 11:00 Shipping: 1 -2 shirts: $5.00 Over 2 shirts: $10.00 I have again included instructions for ordering via PayPal. Thank you, Ernie Step 1: Access PayPal using the following link: https://www.paypal.com/ Step 2: Move your cursor over "Send Money" and a drop down menu will appear; right click on "Send Money Online" If you already have a PayPal account follow the normal login procedures. Step 3: In the Send Money box enter my email address (ehusmann53 at yahoo.com), next your email address, then the total amount of your purchase, select Goods, then Continue. Step 4: If you do not have a PayPal account you will be taken to a page to set up an account. Enter all information requested then select "Agree and Create Account" Step 5: Finish the transaction including information in the message section (located at the very bottom past the "Send Money" button): indicating: a. What size and quantity shirts you have ordered b. If you will be picking up the shirts at PIR or would like to have your order shipped to your home; ensure I have a shipping address. c. Then submit order by clicking "Send Money". You will receive an email confirmation from PayPal that your order has been sent. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 10 11:19:06 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:19:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block Message-ID: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 11:53:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: <01AF1FBB-4E8F-4D4B-8FD7-594CAC6FAE3F@bnj.com> I have helicoils in all the short bolt studs holes on most of my engines--I do it to the outer four as a matter of practice, since the they tend to have cracks leading into the pushrod tunnels or elsewhere. Greg Solow has slightly longer studs available with longer threads that require a little drilling and using a bottoming tap on the existing hole. One of my engines has these as well as helicoils. The Helicoils WILL handle the torque, but in the future I will use Timeserts, or keyserts, or any of the solid thread repair options. I like the look of the time serts best, but they require the most tooling. Keyserts are very good and they won't turn out. You use a standard tap for them in the smaller sizes, I'm not sure what they use for 1/2 inch, I'd suspect 9/16 but it might be something odd like 17/32" On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Don Elliott wrote: > A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for > his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of > the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the > head has been stripped of its threads. > > He would like to know what is the best option to solving this > problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. > Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger > threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is > concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. > > Any proven suggestions ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 11:59:36 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations In-Reply-To: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <667990897.1859761249920003279.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <673993c50908101059w2349989cn7c43b0660f634601@mail.gmail.com> Dick Stockton and crew will be there. Bob On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Both Russ Moore and Steve Groh will be there in our Spitfires > > Sent from Comcast Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAM TOBIN > To: Greg Lunker Hilyer, FOT Triumph > Sent: 2009-08-10 07:49:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > Speaking of races, how many of the gang are planning on going to the > Vintage GP at the Glen? > BillOriginal Message ----- > From: Greg Lunker Hilyer > To: FOT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:39 PM > Subject: [Fot] CRC Accommodations > > > > Hello All, > > FYI - Just booked a room at the Jantzen Beach Red Lion > > redlion.rdln.com and got a great deal on-line. $129 room for $77! > > Its on the Columbia River about 3 miles from the track. I havent > > stayed there since the 80s but it was quite the place then and has > > gone thru a recent remodel. Before booking on-line I called and they > > said there are plenty of rooms still available but going quick with > > this deal. Pet friendly too - Barley just isnt satisfied if he > > doesnt get a nice sofa! > > Hope to see you there. > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Aug 10 16:37:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:37:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block In-Reply-To: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> References: <0040F39B083842FB9146AB70244B60E7@Elliott> Message-ID: I've repaird my block with threaded sleeve. Did work well. I still have this block. Outside diameter was 18mm. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Don Elliott Gesendet: Montag, 10. August 2009 19:19 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Stripped Threads - RHS rear corner of block A good friend here in Montreal is re-building the engine for his TR3A (used for touring) and found that the threads in the top of the block where the rear RHS head stud is supposed to secure the head has been stripped of its threads. He would like to know what is the best option to solving this problem. He is concerned that a heli-coil may not take the torque. Also a larger stepped stud, specially manufactured means a larger threaded hole in the block (like the heli-coil as well) and he is concerned that he may hit a water passage with both of these options. Any proven suggestions ? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 10 16:45:45 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a "pay it forward" favor. While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did recently that was completely out of character. My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten seconds of effort). Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little interval). We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll ever see. The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my shop cleaned. I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth doing. From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 10 17:18:08 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters In-Reply-To: <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <79A3DD98-602A-4FA4-AEFA-178C8FD8F8F6@wi.rr.com> Nice job Bill! There's always hope for each of us. Pretty much why we are here. Allen On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to > post around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to > promote the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any > extra after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph > them. They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I > did recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty > that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 > airhead basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So > I helped him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running > bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse > on the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next > day fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin > you'll ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home > from a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, > and my shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a > bike that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it > together with his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that > no good deed goes unpunished. But they're still worth > doing._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 17:34:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters References: <996221.36161.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2C07E87F-7DE7-4E8F-990F-AB56A685FE81@bnj.com> Message-ID: <103AD8F82A404F84A8550990A026F99C@Bud> Good Job Dude! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] CRC Posters >I have had numerous folks ask me about posters for the CRC. SOVREN > prints an event poster for the CRC, and I just got 15 of them to post > around Portland. I can't give any of these away, they are to promote > the event, but I'll ask for the remainders if there are any extra > after the event, and I'll see if our buddy Kas will autograph them. > They are really a knockout, featuring Jeff Quick's TR4. > > If you want a poster, send me an email and I'll try to set one aside > for you. No promises, but I'll do my best. No charge directly, just > donate twenty bucks or more to your favorite charity. Consider it a > "pay it forward" favor. > > While I'm feeling all soap-boxy, let me tell you about something I did > recently that was completely out of character. > > My sister in law has a long-time boyfriend that drives me nuts. He's > not the sharpest knife in the drawer and his chatter is sometimes > more than I can bear, but he's a good man from a bad background who > has never had people do anything nice for him, and yet he's kind > hearted. Much more kind hearted than I am. He's been looking for a > motorcycle to replace his ratty Honda cruiser that kind of just quit > running. I was going to fix his bike for him, but it was so nasty that > I couldn't bring myself to do it. I had an old BMW R75/5 airhead > basket case I bought with an idea of building my own GS. So I helped > him restore it into a slightly tatty but very clean-running bike. > > He tried my patience with great regularity, stripping threads out of > aluminum with astonishing speed. One time he couldn't get the oil > filter out so he pulled the sump which is held on my about 20 6mm > screws. I had just put the engine back in after helicoiling half of > them. He stripped out pretty much all the ones I didn't helicoil > putting the sump cover back on. All because he didn't want to > interrupt me to ask how to get the filter out (a wire hook and ten > seconds of effort). > > Somehow, every time I managed to hold my temper and told him not to > beat himself up. I told him being a mechanic takes time and everyone > makes these mistakes at first (though usually not with so little > interval). > > We finished the bike a few days ago. He drove it home, blew a fuse on > the way and I had to go rescue him. Spent a few hours the next day > fixing wiring faults. Off he went again, with the biggest grin you'll > ever see. > > The guy works ten hour days six days a week. I don't know when he's > sleeping now, because he's on the bike all the time. We came home from > a weekend in Hood River and found our yard weeded, lawn mowed, and my > shop cleaned. > > I've got to tell you, I got the better part of this deal. I'm not a > particularly kind guy, and as far as patience goes, well, anyone who > knows me is marveling at this story. But helping this guy have a bike > that's really worth owning and showing him how to put it together with > his own hands was incredibly satisfying. I know that no good deed goes > unpunished. But they're still worth doing. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 01:43:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? Message-ID: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 11 02:51:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> some pictures and a preliminary story at: http://www.crclassic.com/ It's going to be great to see this car in action. From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:41:53 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO at CRC part 1 References: <9DEAC7A6-2FDA-4F4D-B221-7C3D28B25396@bnj.com> Message-ID: <31A3F2F1-21BF-4174-B0C6-1E0A9ECF9778@me.com> This in two parts since it's over the FOT limit: No, not mine, that's in bits and pieces. Joe Alexander is bringing his AMBRO to the CRC. Joe is unsure of how much he'll be racing it, the car hasn't been up to speed anywhere yet, but it will make it's maiden appearance at the John McCartney Triumph Tour in Minneapolis and then it will come to Portland. I'm posting a short story and pictures on the CRC site tonight. It's a GREAT looking car. With any luck at all it will at least be on the track for the Kastner Cup event. Incidentally, I don't know if any of you noticed the new schedule. It's still tentative as far as times go, but the Featured race will be the Kastner Cup race. You might also note that Horizon Racing immediately stepped up and sponsored the Kastner Cup race. SOVREN solicits sponsors to name the races at the CRC. Tony Garmey beat us all to the Kastner Cup race, but if anyone wants to name a race associated with Triumphs, the TR3s will probably all be in group 1, the TR4 and other production Triumphs will most likely be in group 2. I suspect the TR250 will be in group three and they'll toss Peyote in there as well so Tony can kick my butt. Contact SOVREN directly if you want to do this. Here's the particulars on race sponsorship and the races that are available for named sponsorship as of last week: THE COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC NEEDS YOU! The PNW Historics were great, Baxters is history, Mission will soon be history so lets look ahead to Labor Day Weekend. For 2009 SOVREN will again be presenting the Columbia River Classic in Portland on Labor Day weekend- Sept. 5-7. This year we are featuring Triumphs and are pleased to be hosting the 2009 Kastner Cup. We are determined to give you a high quality racing experience with the laid- back atmosphere that has been so popular at this event. As in previous years, we will share PIR with the All British Field Meet, making the venue a delight for sports car fans. Even more exciting news is that we have just learned that there will be no drag races at PIR either Friday or Saturday nights so we will have the whole paddock to ourselves and a peaceful evening for those who are camping at the track. Our popular Saturday night vintage party and the track BBQ have been rolled into one extravaganza at the track on Sunday night. There are many advantages to this- no long wait for that pesky bus or search for a parking space in St. Johns, no getting lost driving there, plenty of food for all and places to sit while enjoying it. We will have music, good food, and, of course, the vintage fashions, so dust off those vintage duds and be ready to rock on. How can you help? First, make sure you plan to enter the race and spread the word as you meet other vintage drivers. The deadline for the early bird entry fee is postmarked by August 10st so dont forget to get your entry in by then. We had 165 entrants last year and hope to have as many or more in 2009. If you want to be featured in the program we need your entry as soon as possible so please send it in earlier than the deadline!!!!! The deadline for getting the finished program to the ABFM is August 12th so we need to know if you are entering as soon as possible (and I promise I wont cash your entry check until September). From billbab at me.com Mon Aug 10 19:42:11 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part 2 Message-ID: <0E2F8638-C977-45C1-87E5-3D990E5F0156@me.com> Second, consider being a race sponsor. To be able to complete our ambitious plans, we need to secure sponsors for each race so consider doing so for yourself or your company or with your race group. Your name will be listed as a race sponsor in the program and mentioned by our announcers several times during the event. Well even give you four free passes and an extra parking pass for the weekend! All this for just $250. Contact Judy Buckingham at (425) 277-3177 or rebjrmd at ix.netcom.com . Saturday, Sept. 5 & Sunday, Sept. 6 Group 1  Vintage & FV- $250 Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore Sat.  Porsche Friends of Bruce Ross Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore & Sportsracers Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 4- Historic Large Bore- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 5- Formula Cars Sat. Bonhams Sun . #1 Sun . #2 Group 6- Exhibition/CanAm- Sat. Sun . #1 Sun. #2 All Triumph Kastner Cup Race - $500 Sun. Horizon Racing Monday, Sept. 7 (2 Races each Group) Group 1  Vintage & FV #1 #2 Group 2- Historic Small Bore #1 #2 Group 3  Historic Mid Bore #1 #2 Group 4 - Historic Large Bore #1 #2 Group 5- Formula Ford- #1 #2 Group 6  Exhibition  #1 #2 You can see we have lots of races and lots of opportunity for sponsorship. (NOTE- these groups may change depending on the entries received!) Another way to help would be to advertise your business in the program. It is distributed to all of the racers, all 800 participants in the All British Field Meet, and sold to spectators. Contact Doug Kirk at Douglas.k.kirk at boeing.com for ad specifications. Contact Judy Buckingham to order ad. Rates: 1/4 page - $100 1/2 page - $150 Full page $275 Inside front cover Bonhams Lets all work together to make the Columbia River Classic a great weekend. From markjwea at msn.com Tue Aug 11 05:48:44 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:48:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent Message-ID: Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 06:14:27 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276674.12891.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd, we can always use another Triumph. Welcome Rod. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/11/09, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: From: MARK J WEATHERS Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent To: fot at autox.team.net, rod.kent at cox.net Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:48 AM Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may know Rod. Can I get a second? Thanks Mark Weathers 72 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:18:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I bought one for my GT6 in 2000 from Conversion Components in New Zealand. I have no idea if they're still around. It's been a good conversion. I've enjoyed not having to change the trans every other year. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:42 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780908110519r4165ab1ds1310f84ce4a8f06d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:48 AM, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona > to > the FOT. WOW, I can't believe Rod Kent isn't already part of FOT. Second. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 11 06:19:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740140225D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Yep, still around http://www.conversioncomp.co.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:44 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar that uses a Nissan tranny? mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Aug 11 06:20:15 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:20:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:48, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA > National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he > moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage > racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a > wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, > especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of > you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 07:05:37 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] shirts ordered Message-ID: <5818.90857.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I currently have orders for shirts from the following people: Joe Alexander Charles Arnold Bill Babcock John Borgen Dennis Carlson Robert Davis Tony Drews Andrea Garmey Chuck Gee Joseph Guinan John James Kas Irv Korey Lunker Andy Mace Charles Mitchel Barry Munson Jim Norlin Mark York The order for t-shirts went in this morning. If I have missed your name, please contact me. Thanks everyone. Ernie From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 07:37:10 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > know Rod. Can I get a second? Here, here. Second, third and more. Welcome Rod. > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 08:02:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nissan 5 speed conversion? In-Reply-To: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know that Hermann van der whatever offers a kit to put a Toyota > 5 speed gearbox into a TR. Does anyone know of something similar > that uses a Nissan tranny? I know this is not what you asked, but we had a local-ish dude show up at Day of Triumph a week or two ago who has a sweet looking setup that uses a T5 tranny... here's his web site: www.dupontmachining.com The setup uses a new cast bell housing and you need specific T5's (with mods), but it has the hydraulic throw out bearing and all that stuff. It can also fit all sorts of Triumphs, from what I gather. The dude seems to be a real British car enthusiast, he showed up at Day of Triumph in a sweet looking TVR2500 with the conversion in it. He's been making the rounds at the local-ish British car shows as I saw that car in pix from the annual Show of Dreams put on by British Cars of NH this weekend past. NFI, of course. But check it out. Speaking for myself, I'd have to say this is a nice looking setup. I believe he can also do custom stuff, for a price, of course. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 11 08:52:21 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:52:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Shirts by Ernie Husmann-ORDERS WANTED!!!! Message-ID: FOT Crew Shirts & T-Shirts see crclassic.com for samples and prices. Order now and often. Artwork is a nice composition of Triumph Logos and more. Kas will be available to sign the shirts....these will be keepers. Thanks to Ernie for taking on one of these thankless tasks that always take more time and effort than anyone believes. And thanks to Bill Babcock for putting on a show for the FOT that will be memorable. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 12:46:34 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:46:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Joe's Ambro at the CRC In-Reply-To: <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> References: <4A812136.9020201@bradakis.com> <8E9305D7-7080-454B-A9BC-6B047BC9708B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A81BC8A.1060205@bradakis.com> Sigh. Yet another reason I'm regretting not being able to attend. mjb. From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:57:24 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will second Rod. He's a great guy and a good friend! Sam Halkias > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > CC: rod.kent at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, MARK J WEATHERS wrote: > > > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of Arizona to > > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved on to > > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. He > > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you may > > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Here, here. Second, third and more. > > Welcome Rod. > > > Thanks > > Mark Weathers > > 72 TR6 > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:36:14 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed Message-ID: Howdy to the list, I just thought I'd throw this one out there, i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Anybody willing to part with one?....................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 11 20:38:44 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coronado HMSA race Message-ID: Any body planning on this one? I'm taking my hmod and I'm pretty jazzed, even though you can barely call it racing..............................Cheers Henry Morrison From tom at squeelerracing.com Tue Aug 11 21:14:35 2009 From: tom at squeelerracing.com (Tom Kreger) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:14:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent References: Message-ID: Rod is solid platinium!!! He has helped me with my TR since the 80's. I would love to see his 6 at some vintage events. Good guy. Tom Kreger Message ----- From: "MARK J WEATHERS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > Amici, I would like to nominate long time Triumph racer Rod Kent of > Arizona to > the FOT. Rod successfully campaigned a very fast TR6 at the SCCA National > level for many years. After wrapping the car up in bad accident he moved > on to > GT racing and helped his brother in law rebuild the 6 for vintage racing. > He > is now making a couple of GT6's into one good racecar. Rod is a wealth of > knowledge and helped me tremendously with race prep for my TR6, especially > with Datsun 510 rear hub conversion and coil over retrofit. Many of you > may > know Rod. Can I get a second? > > > Thanks > Mark Weathers > 72 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 11 21:58:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:58:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 outer rear axle needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A823DF6.4020000@bradakis.com> > i need an outer rear axle section for a TR6 in useable condition. Do you need an entire assembly from the diff flange on out, including the hub and all, or just a rear axle piece from the sliding joint, no hub needed? mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 12 20:12:49 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:12:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Possible CRC trip Message-ID: <4A8376A1.9040702@bradakis.com> Well, there is a chance [ Why is it that when it comes to chances fat and slim mean the same?] I may actually attend the festivities over Labor Day weekend. Tony Drews will be heading through Salt Lake on his way from the Great Flat Spot, I may hitch a ride with him. So don't be surprised to see some blatantly commercial emails from me touting all the, uh, stuff I'll be putting on EBay over the next little while in an attempt to raise some traveling funds. I may even have something somebody actually wants! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 13 18:52:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Oh no, not again! Message-ID: <20090814005251.00E3C2E02D@bradakis.com> Seems that AOL has once again started blocking Team.Net. Why do I even bother? Sheesh. mjb. From markjwea at msn.com Fri Aug 14 05:25:36 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:25:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rod's correct email is rodkent at cox.net > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:39:07 -0400 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: markjwea at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Rod Kent > > Hi Mark, > > Can you please verify Rod's e-mail. rod.kent at cox.net does not see to be a > valid email address. > > Make sure you get the proper one to MJB. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 10:45:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Message-ID: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 14 12:37:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate In-Reply-To: <000101ca1cfe$b3ae83b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000201ca1d0e$54bef9b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Figured out the orientation of the plate, just need to know how you guys route the lines now. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:46 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need directions for installing Greg Solow's sandwhich plate Can anyone provide directions on which fittings I will need? Is it a 90 and a 120? I talked to Greg when I ordered it, but I lost my notes. Also, is there a way to make sure I have it installed with the correct side facing the block? I'll also try calling the engine room, but don't know if he answers on Fridays. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 14 22:09:18 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:09:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] K&N Weber DCOE filters Message-ID: <4A8634EE.6040200@bradakis.com> While scrounging around in various piles of dusty, forgotten bits I found a pair of K&N air filters for DCOE carbs. I can't recall exactly why I have them, perhaps it was part of putting Webers on the L20B in my old Datsun pickup. Anyway, I don't need them, they are 3.5" deep and won't fit on any Spitfire applications I know of, perhaps TR2-4? Just thought I'd ask here before putting them on EBay. mjb. From wredinger at oppd.com Sat Aug 15 07:07:49 2009 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 Message-ID: Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From adams910 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 11:02:45 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue stripes and wheels. Bob From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:31:24 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, REDINGER, WILLIAM E wrote: > Who's Silver & Blue # 17 TR6 Race car is it modeled after? Being a RHD model, I'll guess that it's nobody in the US... Neat looking car model, though. Not that I'm biased or anything, of course. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:34:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Hot Wheels TR6 In-Reply-To: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50908151002r6c79c14an21b1ac311bd95e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009, Bob Adams wrote: > Looks like this http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18250 , but with blue > stripes and wheels. Wow - nice looking car. I really like the color choice. No bias here... un uh. :-) > Bob rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 16 19:58:52 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Shameless self promotion Message-ID: <20090817015852.E7A092E0D6@bradakis.com> As I mentioned a few days ago, I have managed to put a few items up on Ebay lately, trying to turn some of this inventory into something I can use, money! Check http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfatchancegarage once in a while to see if anything you need shows up. Thanks, mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 20:12:49 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but found none. Appreciate any suggestions. Bob Blake From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 16 21:00:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090817030035.68F33187A73@autox.team.net> I back the bolts out of the rod cap partway and smack the head of the bolt with a rubber mallet. - Tony Drews At 09:12 PM 8/16/2009, Robert Blake wrote: >Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace the >rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin sets. >No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue but >found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > >Bob Blake From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:15:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:15:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Robert....If it's been a long time since the car has run..don't pound hard...you might break the rings...You may as well have fun learning to freshen your engine....The correct way to do it is to..remove the head...It's really not tough..take your time...It's not like your daily driver that needs to be back on the road right away...If you're gettin' into the 'messy,' under the car stuff....then you deserve to enjoy the top end stuff to make up for it..remove the carbs...take off the head(wiggle it a bunch to unstick it)...The pistons will then push up to be removed..the canisters(sleeves) may want to pop up too, but that's ok because you're gonna replace the 'o rings under them)...with the pistons out....remove the rings(you're gonna replace them too.... What I'm gettin' at is....YOU CAN DO IT....Slowly follow the instructions in a shop manual...If you do not understand an instruction...read it over and over again...then..if you still don't understand it..ask one of us FOTers...We all had to learn this stuff..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 21:18:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that your head rested in!..Funny..but true... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace > the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin > sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue > but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 06:48:28 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:48:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <271B9682-CF9F-4269-AD69-16937B4D443F@bnj.com> Probably just oil sucking the bearing against the journal. Back all the nuts off as Tony says--a couple of turns, then rotate the crank a turn or two. some will come loose just by turning. take the rod you want to remove to bottom dead center and whack the nuts with a rubber mallet. You can whale on them, wont hurt anything . On Aug 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to > replace the > rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the > nuts I > attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden > handle of a > mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist > pin sets. > No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was > reluctant to > beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this > issue but > found none. Appreciate any suggestions. > > Bob Blake > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 08:52:57 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 08:49:11 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: <000001ca1f49$e24d7080$a6e85180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: To those of you who have experienced the Monterey Historics event, it's car heaven for vintage racers and enthusiasts. For the past thirty-six years, the event has been organized and run by Steve Earle. The big buzz at this year's event was SCRAMP (the group that oversees Laguna Seca since it's a county park) decided not to renew the contract with Earle. Lots of rumors running around the paddock about who would run the event and how it might change. Last night I received the following press release from the track that partially answered the question, see below. Other news is apparently a group headed by Bobby Rahal are formulating plans for a five race series for newer cars (TransAm, IMSA, FIA sports racers, Group C, etc) that will be spectator events, with points and trophies awarded in each class. The character of the events will possibly be similar to the Goodwood Revival. Rahal was at Laguna Seca for a meeting with track officials it looks like Laguna will be part of this series. No doubt we'll be hearing more about this in the coming months. Gary MONTEREY, Calif. (August 16, 2009) - The Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP) announced that it will be producing the historic races at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in 2010, and that General Racing, Ltd., the creator and producer of the Rolex Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for the last 36 years, will no longer be producing the event. SCRAMP will produce an event that reflects the prestige, integrity and quality that fans and participants expect of the vintage automobile races held at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. SCRAMP has contracted for the use of the trademark Monterey Historic Automobile RacesR for 2010 and General Racing will assist SCRAMP for this transitional year. "This has certainly been a long and rewarding relationship with Steve Earle and General Racing," said Gill Campbell, CEO/general manager for Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. "SCRAMP has always admired Mr. Earle's creation, which has brought historic car racing to the enthusiast on such a level. We look forward to our 2010 event, scheduled from August 13-15, and beyond with the mission of continuing the tradition of historic automobile racing here while enhancing the enjoyment factor for the fans, participants and sponsors." SCRAMP has operated Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, the site of the Monterey Historic Automobile Races, for more than 50 years and, as a not-for-profit organization, has donated more than $12 million to the communities in and around the Monterey Peninsula. "SCRAMP is proud to continue the legacy General Racing began," Campbell added, "And we are excited about the prospect of opening a new chapter in historic racing at America's premier road racing circuit." Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca was established in 1957. The world-renowned raceway has been operated since its inception by the Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula (SCRAMP), a not-for-profit 501C(4) corporation. Each race season, SCRAMP donates its net proceeds to the volunteer groups that help put on the races. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 09:01:46 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very inexpensive, like $30/pair. On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:52 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs attention. #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? Other thoughts? Teriann Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 09:20:46 2009 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> <9046D94E-71EF-422B-8BDB-6898E8931A7D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A89754E.60106@gmail.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > White Post does a good job of sleeving and turns around very quickly. > However, suspecting that the slave cylinders are as replaceable as > the ones I changed on my TR4, why not buy new ones? They are very > inexpensive, like $30/pair. > I don't know if it is justified or not, but I just don't have as much faith is pattern reproduction brake cylinders as I did with genuine Gurling cylinders. I also suspect a sleeved cylinder would likely last longer between needing to be rebuilt. Teriann From munsonsb at telus.net Mon Aug 17 11:34:34 2009 From: munsonsb at telus.net (munsonsb at telus.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Stock available notification from Veloce Publishing Message-ID: <28474561.1181185.1250530474705.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Aug 17 12:46:27 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What is your opinion? From cak at dimebank.com Mon Aug 17 13:11:58 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A89AB7E.6070709@dimebank.com> I have Sierra Specialty Automotive do my re-sleeving, after bad experiences with several other companies. He uses brass, and leaves you to do the rebuild. http://www.dimebank.com/monster/burst/00613.html That said - I tend to buy new these days for anything that is still available on the market, just because I know that my assembly environment is not as clean as that found in a factory. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 17 13:36:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:36:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. Message-ID: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Sun Aug 16 21:47:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings In-Reply-To: <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> References: <13447.92765.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <54ADF1F45FCC43688DA71DE0373145B6@Bud> Message-ID: Bah! Real racers work so late they fall asleep under the race car. (That's my true story) Back to the subject at hand, I rotate the crank around until the piston in question is at the bottom of it's path and tap on the cap as someone else suggested. The tricky replacement is the crank bearings. Push those out with a Popsicle stick pushing on one end. iii On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings > > > Unwashed shade tree mechanic in need of advise. Am attempting to replace >> the >> rod bearings on my TR4 with minimal success. After loosening the nuts I >> attempted to push the piston up off the crank using the wooden handle of a >> mallet placed against the meaty part of the piston where the wrist pin >> sets. >> No movement. Yes, I actually did pull the plugs first! I was reluctant to >> beat it too hard. Checked the archives for previous posts on this issue >> but >> found none. Appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Bob Blake >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 17 17:41:10 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B6A3EF2-A8F3-4034-B852-4F522CFEAE14@wi.rr.com> No tubes. They add rotational weight (slower acceleration), they add to your sprung weight and they retain heat. Other than that, they're fine! Allen On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 17 18:01:26 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Tubes? They still make those? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and > Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube > failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire > store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this > tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told > me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What > is your opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Aug 17 18:35:42 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? A. 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > Tubes? They still make those? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the last >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except that >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in a >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 17 18:40:02 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> References: <4A896EC9.7080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A89F862.1090304@cyberspeedway.net> To seal press fits, porous welds and castings, and lock assembled fasteners, the Loctite 290 product can't be beat. I have used it on water jackets, 6000 psi hydraulic weldments, carburetors, etc. It is a wicking type sealant which is drawn into the smallest of openings. If it has been in service try to get the assembly as clean as possible with multiple sprayings of brake clean, acetone, alcohol, etc followed by compressed air blowings. Don't try to save money on the small bottle. Buy the 50 ml bottle as it has a much better tip and built in stopper. Greg Lund TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I have been giving some thought to putting synthetic into my rear diff > and was taking a look at things under the TR3 the other day. Of course > it seems like every time I look around I find something that needs > attention. > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the > way around? or ?? > > 2. I also noticed that my rear wheel cylinders are weeping. Not yet > enough to be noticed in the fluid can but enough to be noticed on the > brake back plate. I think this time I want to go ahead and have the > cylinders sleeved so I would just have to buy seal kits in the future. > > Any recommendations as to who does a good job of sleeving at a > reasonable price and what their turn around time might be? > > Other thoughts? > > Teriann > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 19:01:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:01:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: YES Nascar does use..inner tubes and/or inner tires/ liners..I do not know if it is required at all tracks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: ".Triumph List" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > > A. > > 2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : >> Tubes? They still make those? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: >> >>> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama >>> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the > last >>> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician >>> was >>> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except > that >>> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube >>> in > a >>> radial race tire. What is your opinion? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Aug 17 20:39:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com > References: <2BD63079-B142-490B-A90A-561BD227F007@bnj.com> <4362ae390908171735j3386963le15f228b14627e2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> They are not inner tubes in the traditional sense. They are an inner tire. The have two places where the tires seat against the rim and two valve stems. They run like 20 psi higher in the inner tire than the outer one so the handling is OK. Every once in a while, the inner tire leaks and raises the pressure in the outer (real) tire. They call that "equalizing" and it really messes with the handling. The inner tire is to give some semblance of control when a tire bursts on a super speedway. They certainly help them in that case. Makes the wheel assembly heavy as heck. Back to the original tubes question, with panasports and any kind of tire - bias or radial, there's no reason to run tubes. Hoosier vintage TD, Dunlops, Hoosier speedsters, etc all hold air well enough. - Tony Drews At 07:35 PM 8/17/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >Don't the Nastycar guys run inner tubes on the super speedways? > >A. > >2009/8/17 Bill Babcock : > > Tubes? They still make those? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barr wrote: > > > >> Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and Yokohama > >> Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube failures in the >last > >> 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire store and the technician was > >> asking why we are using tubes it this tire. I had no real answer except >that > >> is what we alway did, he told me there is no real reason to use a tube in >a > >> radial race tire. What is your opinion? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >'77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Aug 17 22:19:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:19:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <20090818023948.1BC161881E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The only time I have found it is beneficial to run tubes in tires is if you run solo II. It helps to keep the heat in the tires between runs. I found this out when I started running the Pro Solo series. Most of the fast guys had tubes and it was easy to spot if you looked at their valve stems. It seemed to make only a little difference but all those little things add up. Mike From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 17 21:30:03 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? mjb. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Aug 18 05:54:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:54:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? References: <20090818033003.175DB2E117@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8F1C43D48A29418287CBE696C53B256E@Elliott> There is an excellent explanation by Clive Elsdon in Bristol England on this. Go to the link : - http://www.britishcarlinks.com/technical_articles_page.htm Scroll down to the section on "Interiors". -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? > So we're working on this TR3, and for reasons I'd rather not > explain I had to pull the control head out of the steering > column once again. This unit is in fairly bad shape, I sort > of got it almost working after cleaning it up and reinstalling, > but the best solution would be a new one ( Fat Chance? ) or a > used unit in better condition. Anyone know of any of these > control heads ( 201872 ) readily available? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:10:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:10:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Announcement Message-ID: Amici... Hold your thumbs. Chances are what happens will directly relate to the players involved. Reminds me of times many years back when Joe Marchetti was 'eased out' of his CHICAGO HISTORICS event at ROAD AMERICA. The event evolved into the likes of the BRIC (Brian Redman International Challenge), and now the KIC (Kohler International Challenge). That event continues to be very big and popular, thanks to George Bruggenthies' ongoing finger prints, who actually used to run the event for Marchetti. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:16:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:16:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Rod bearings Message-ID: In a message dated 08/18/2009 8:40:36 AM Central Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Oh...and....Since you are an 'Unwashed Mechanic'...You're already on top > of > the world...Work on that Tr so late that you're too tired to think about a > > shower...Don't worry about the grease on the pillow from the oil puddle > that > your head rested in!..Funny..but true... > Back in England, at the A/H works, those "Unwashed Mechanics" were known as "thickos", and used to run "shade tree teams" against the works team. Hence, with help and urging from Wm. Severin Thompson, in the vintage family we have "Team Thicko" in their honor. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 09:37:48 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:37:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! Message-ID: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 18 10:01:40 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:01:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... Message-ID: Amici... You should'a been there. It was nice. Last Saturday night, a very informal memorial was held out on TURN ONE at GRATTAN RACEWAY. It was made up mostly of Group Two (vintage production based racers), but a lot of others came as well. It started slowly as Tony Drews, his daughter Tori, Bob Wismer, Shirley and I started the long walk down the front straight to corner one. But one by one the group kept getting bigger and bigger. People came. They paid their respects, and then left. At times the number, standing in a circle at any one time numbered 35 or 40 strong. In honor of Uncle Jack's other loves, many were smoking good cigars, and there were several bottles of single malted Scotch being past around the circle. It was good stuff too. You know...the stuff they keep back up there by the mirror. Not that junk down on the rail. We took turns telling tales about Uncle Jack. Lots of racer, and mechanical stuff, but also lots of deep personal things about Jack's multifaceted personality. Dry eyes became scarce when Tony spoke of his days in the garage and at the track with Dad. When Tori talked about her grandpa, and his loving ways, it was very emotional. What a guy! We were all privileged to know him. Those Scotch bottles were soon empty, and we left them standing in the gravel in the bank where Jack's gorgeous TR4 ended up last August. Still thinking about Jack, we all then made the long trek back to our race paddocks. We finished with a traditional Beady Eye Wine and Cheese party in Garage #8. The good Scotch was gone, but there was plenty fine wine, good Wisconsin cheese, and some tasty stuff someone brought up from the southern edge of Kentucky. It came in unmarked mason jars. One jar tasted like apple pie, another like cherry, and one like lemonade...but all three kicked like a mule. Like I said...you should'a been there. It was nice...good for the soul. Bill Dentinger PS We walked away from the memorial smarter too. Tony Drews and I both agree, that if you are going to hold any kind of function out in the kitty litter...be sure you don't wear flip flops or sandals. Walking in the kitty litter is like walking in 12" of quick sand (only with BIG kernels). That space between you feet and the flip flops sure fills up fast. Pictures are scarce, but I did get several. I'll try to post them, but may need some help. I don't always get along with my vintage (kerosene powered) computer. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 18 10:18:40 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:18:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT & Portland's Kastner Cup Message-ID: List, I will have 3" x 5" FOT stickers at the Portland event. I owe Joe Curry for these stickers and anxious to sell as many as I can. (I can also send stickers to non Portland attendees) I suppose that 1 for $5, 2 for 7, 3 for $10 including postage might work. Send money to FOT: FOT, 645 1st Street, Jesup, Iowa 50648 Mark Bradakis will be our Guest of Honor at Portland, if he chooses to accept our invitation. Please take the time to thank Mark for all he has contributed to the FOT. We would not exist but for his computer support. This clearly will be an exceptional event. There are reports of folks flying in from all over the country, to be with us at this event, though they will not be towing. Also thanks to Bill Babcock for his involvement with SOVERN and this event. Clearly we need to thank Ernie Husmann for coordinating the EVENT SHIRTS. Thanks, Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Aug 18 10:27:14 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:27:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Good grief! In-Reply-To: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> References: <4A8ACACC.7060004@bradakis.com> Message-ID: AOL is a disease. Expunge it from your computer with extreme prejudice. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FOT LIST Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Good grief! So I finally get AOL to once again remove the block on Team.Net. And what do I find in my list admin mailbox? Why, six messages from AOL reporting Team.Net emails as abuse. And THREE of them are from some brain dead scumbag on the FOT list! Sheesh. And in AOL's infinite wisdom, these abuse reports remove the list name and the complainer's name, so the reports look like this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:56 -0400 Source-IP: 166.70.156.34 Reported-Domain: autox.team.net Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [redacted] Tubes in racing tires. From: Tony Drews > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:17 -0500 To: redacted at autox.team.net So all AOL is willing to provide is the info that someone on some list doesn't like getting email from Team.Net. Real helpful, isn't it. I am getting quite tired of wasting my time dealing with AOL. Maybe I'll institute a policy that any AOL subscriber who wants on a Team.Net list pays me $25 in advance to make it worth my while. Sorry for the morning rant, but sometimes my patience wears thin. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Aug 18 11:26:52 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings Message-ID: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 Spitfire. The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a trip to the alignment rack. Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a starting point? My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear toe-in toe-out. What should I set this to? Thanks! Robert MacKenzie Austin TX 78 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 17:04:23 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. In-Reply-To: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3799874.1250537806186.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CBEE6F5C676AAB-AF4-52FF@webmail-md13.sysops.aol.com> Shouldn't have to use a tube in radial tires at all, street or race.? Save the weight and eliminate the tubes all around, radials are heavy enough.? As far as failure, if no visible puncture through the tire into the tube I could only guess. Best of luck, Bob T. ( Toyo R888 as rains w/ no tubes) -----Original Message----- From: steve To: Jerry Barr ; .Triumph List Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. I thought tubes are for wire wheel cars only. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:46 AM >To: ".Triumph List" >Subject: [Fot] Tubes in racing tires. > >Scott and I are sharing a Spitfire 1500 with Panasport rims and >Yokohama Advan A048 tires with radial tubes. We have had 2 tube >failures in the last 2 races. I took the tire to the on track tire >store and the technician was asking why we are using tubes it this >tire. I had no real answer except that is what we alway did, he told >me there is no real reason to use a tube in a radial race tire. What >is your opinion? > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:13:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:13:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: <9D5F42415A8D423CB345DBBCD2A64193@Bud> I think this is DAVID NELSON Racer Bud http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6733_117326504642_993 51444642_2244031_7370513_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:24:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: Great photo of STIRLING MOSS at Monterey by Gary Anderson..Editor of 'THE STAR'...Mercedes Magazine Racer Bud http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 18:27:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] try again STIRLING MOSS at Monterey Message-ID: <63C42EE70BEE4C379C3B6ED097F9D1D9@Bud> photo by Gary Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:25 PM http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5853_121246917459_828 297459_2276867_5022498_n.jpg From sgroh1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 19:03:18 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings References: <009901ca2029$141d8f70$3c58ae50$@aero> Message-ID: <61064EB4C6B94359AC989114527FB701@steven2sbouwlk> I use 1/16 toe in front, 1/32 toe in rear, made a world of difference on my 63 Spit Steve Groh SVRA 393 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Suspension Settings >I have just completed the brake up-grade and rear hub re-build on my '62 > Spitfire. > > The car should be back on its wheels this weekend. The next step is a > trip > to the alignment rack. > > > > Can somebody share a some "race" alignment specifications they use as a > starting point? > > > > My car has fabricated rear radius arms, allowing adjustment of rear > toe-in > toe-out. > > What should I set this to? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Robert MacKenzie > > Austin TX > > 78 1500 (Street) > > 62 Spitfire 4 (Race) > > robert [AT] mackenzie [DOT] aero > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as sgroh1 at comcast.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 18 20:55:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:55:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B69B2.70506@bradakis.com> Thank you. After this morning's whining tirade about AOL, I needed a reminder of why it is I do what I do. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 19 00:43:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 control head? Message-ID: <20090819064305.175EF2E077@bradakis.com> Thanks for all the responses. Turns out that by the time I got to the shop this morning Mike had already called TRF and had a new unit on the way, so I didn't need to tell him about all the options I had come up with. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 19 08:58:05 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires Message-ID: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 19 09:12:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC question - tires In-Reply-To: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> References: <20090819145844.43BFE18765C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: A-N-T tires is almost certainly going to be there. If they are not present at the track they are about a half mile away from PIR. You should give them a call to make certain that they have what you need. Fred will set you up. (503) 236-2106 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is there going to be a tire vendor at CRC? If so, who? I'm > assuming they sell Hoosier stuff... > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Aug 22 14:57:15 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HANS USERS BEWARE Message-ID: <45F399375DF64B67B22EDBB7EBA8DF6C@INSPIRON> Hope fully this will not effect anyone but I am passing it along,for everyone's safety. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: teamdi.com To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: HANS USERS BEWARE Dear Customers I thought we should pass along the following information to you just released from Hans today. This is the second major thing coming from Impact Racing regarding safety. The first issue was some of their suits did not have the proper SFI certification and now this on counterfeit parts. This guy has been in the business for over 30 years with a very well and trusted name by racers around the world. We do not carry the line nor will we ever. Personally I do not trust this company or their products. Regardless for your safety please see if you are affected by this. I applaud Hans for their quick response to this problem. Please read below: HANS FINDS COUNTERFEIT ANCHORS - LAUNCHES FREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM Atlanta, Georgia (August 19, 2009) - HANS Performance Products has found counterfeit Post Anchor parts on a helmet purchased from Impact Racing Products. Preliminary investigations suggest that counterfeit parts may have been supplied with other helmets provided by Impact. "We are seeking the source of the counterfeit anchors and to establish how widely they may have been distributed," said HANS CEO Mark Stiles. He continued, "It is extremely possible that counterfeits may have been installed on other helmets, either factory-fitted by a helmet manufacturer or by racers installing replacement parts during equipment changes." The only counterfeit parts identified so far look like HANS' current "Professional" Post Anchors, which are designed to offer robust durable service - these have a "teardrop" shaped head to the "post" and an aluminum base engraved with HANS, SFI and FIA markings. Other Post Anchor designs, such as the similar current "Standard" version, which have the same teardrop post but a simpler black plastic base, and older designs which had a round shaped head to the post, do not seem to have been counterfeited. Stiles said, "If racers want to check their Professional Series Post Anchors, one quick test is to touch a magnet to the post. The posts used in all our designs since July 2005 are magnetic. The posts on the counterfeits we have seen are not magnetic." He continued, "Our earlier designs used a non-magnetic material for the post, so a non-magnetic post is not necessarily a counterfeit, but it is a reason why a racer should contact us for more information." The link below shows what to look for when testing the Post Anchor. http://nsvirtualurl.com/core/media/media.nl?id=2634&c=337809&h=d02ae9a6a725bb dbb4f2 To&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9zeXN0ZW0ubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t ensure all racers have confidence in their safety equipment, HANS is implementing a program to replace any counterfeit Post Anchors free of charge. Details of the program, other information and program updates are available at hansdevice.com, or by calling HANS direct at 1-888-HANS-999, or contacting one of the 200 authorized North American HANS factory trained dealers nationwide. The HANS Device is the #1 choice for performance, #1 for vision and #1 for winners. Details and information about HANS Performance Products are available at www.hansdevice.com or by calling 1-888-HANS-999 or 770-457-1046. Sincerely, Robert Zecca www.teamdi.com Unsubscribe me from this contact list From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 19 15:52:26 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC - Kastner Cup Message-ID: <6E2F5BFD-9F3A-4127-9A41-C7A3FEE75947@earthlink.net> Hello All, Would those attending the Kastner Cup race please contact me off-list? Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:05:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have some track experience. -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 19 20:11:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:11:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2 questions Message-ID: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work themselves loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast steel and will weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle tube. Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all the way around? or ?? Teriann ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 08:29:13 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 2 questions In-Reply-To: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20090819.221139.23045.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <39F57ABE-DCD0-499E-A2CC-A5A24171B443@bnj.com> I second that. The pins are pushed into holes in the tubing very close to the edge of the tube and it can easily break out. I've had it happen to two rear ends. The banjo welds nicely as do the tubes. I run short beads about an inch long, spaced about an inch apart. Permanent fix. On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Teriann, weld the axle tubes to the diff housing. The pins work > themselves > loose, so also weld the pins in. The housing is basically cast > steel and will > weld fine with a mig welder. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" tjwakeman at gmail.com > > #1 I have gear lube weeping between the diff housing and the axle > tube. > Assuming that doesn't mean an axle tube is about to fall off (I hope > not) what is the best way to seal this weep? Braze the junction all > the > way around? or ?? > > Teriann > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUki9SBXpRqqlFzfWFNMXgT2 > x4zMgHdxHwGKuBC4h19L9lNFAfx2A/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Thu Aug 20 08:31:21 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] AOL users - throw off your chains! Message-ID: <200908201431.n7KEVLDK023906@moose.dimebank.com> I saw this in the NYT this morning, and thought that mjb would appreciate it if some of the AOL holdouts would make the switch: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/mail-and-contact-import-for-everyone.html Basically, it gives the steps for moving your mail from AOL to GMail, including importing contacts and snagging your AOL mail for 30 days. Best, chris From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 09:26:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:26:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02F24B23-5225-48B5-96A2-4E096056AA5E@bnj.com> Thanks for mentioning this Chuck. The Lotus Club runs a fine track day. If you have any issues you'd like to shake out before the race days this is ideal. Any of you guys coming with street cars that have a rollbar and appropriate gear, this is a great opportunity to try out a fine track at your choice of speed. The club is very open to street cars, I've driven my Ferrari during this track day in the past. They do separate cars according to speed potential so you don't have to worry about being on the track with something that's passing you with a 100+ speed differential. It's a lot of track time--they run the thing efficiently. By the end of the day there are usually only a few cars on track per session--everyone has had enough. Joe, this might be ideal for shaking out the AMBRO On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 20 16:07:36 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size Message-ID: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) From billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 20 16:59:40 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4340970F-2C2A-4897-9467-6404F48FF7C7@bnj.com> I think it depends on what you plan to do about bias bar or proportioning. You can get away with 3/4 fron and 3/4 rear with a bias bar and enjoy the simplicity of only needing one rebuild kit. I think most folks like a smaller rear though to allow lower pressure and a more mid-bar adjustment for bias. On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Bob wrote: > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Aug 21 07:32:59 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day References: <8cbd782d0908191905j15dd0ddeoc54bd151507929fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A6B4CA38574B63BC92BFC9227848FA@Pendys> Chuck, Please remember that SAAC NW (shelby club) also is putting on a track day on the following tuesday sept. 8 for those of you that may be staying over. The cost is 160.00 for 4 20. min.sessions. Sometimes we are able to squeese 5 in if we don't have any issues on track. We get the first run group out at 9:00 and try and be wrapped up by 4:30-5:00. All cars are welcome,( even rentals) Looking forward to meeting some FoT'ers at the ABFM/CRC. Thanks, Mark Pendy #65 TR4 Anyone showing interest may contact me at 503-550-2144 cell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: [Fot] FOTers coming to CRG-- Friday track day >I was speaking with Mark Viskov of the Oregon Lotus Club today. I > signed up for a track day on September 4th [Friday] that the club is > sponsoring. He said there are three grids- intermediate, advanced and > race car. Preference is given first to Lotus, then to British cars > Each group runs once an hour for the day starting about 8:30. If we > get enough Triumphs he will let us have our own grid at the end of the > day. So,if you can, sign up and come early. $225 for the day. To > register, call Mark at 503-641-7693. Sent this to 6-Pack also, since > anyone can run as long as the car meets rollbar standards and you have > some track experience. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 11:45:42 2009 From: bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CCFE8C0-5C32-435D-A9A8-7F2BB0EB5F6C@kenalu.com> Great idea Judy, I didn't think of it. I'll mention this to the FOT. Please do arrange for this and include it in the schedule. On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > Hi, Bill- Do you have any plans for a group photo of all of the > Triumphs? We were talking about this > last night at the Comp. meeting. Last year the FFords all went down > to the Festival Turns Saturday during the 2 hr. > lunch break and had the photo. We can arrange for a photographer we > think- Shari Jackson, Miles wife, did it last year. > But maybe you have your own plans. Let us know if we should include > this in the schedule of events. > > Judy From BILLB at BNJ.COM Fri Aug 21 12:06:19 2009 From: BILLB at BNJ.COM (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:06:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party Message-ID: <63175022-9F45-410A-88D0-50635D795133@BNJ.COM> The Peyote Birthday party will be at the track instead of at our house. This will make it much easier for everyone to attend, and the birthday boy gets to be there too. I thought I should pre-announce that in case some folks are getting cars in anticipation of needing to make that drive. We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can probably just graze in the paddock. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 21 13:53:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:53:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with the adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it would give maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know how much you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs testing. As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? thxx Bob (TR3 under construction) You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:05:25 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:05:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size In-Reply-To: References: <4A8DC928.7070009@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Actually Chris if you increase the size of the master cylinder you decrease the force at the slave cylinder so you need MORE force at the pedal. I'm sure you know that, probably just came out wrong. On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:53 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I run stock cylinders though I have some bias send to the rear with > the > adjustable brake kit. If I would risen the rear diameter then it > would give > maybe a little less need for much pedal force. I really don't know > how much > you can rise the rear diameter before the rear end locks. Needs > testing. > > As I'm quite satisfied with my brake I don't have much drive to change > something there, so for the moment I'll stay with stock items. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob > Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 00:08 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Rear wheel cylinder size > > What size rear wheel cylinders do you TR guys prefer for vintage > racing......stock, 3/4 or 7/8? > > thxx > Bob > (TR3 under construction) > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rblake36 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 14:23:46 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator Message-ID: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on the fritz and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and repairing the orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road and to do so I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold under the name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the old one for repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units and if so how reliable are they? Bob Blake From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 14:30:02 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Aftermarket Alternator In-Reply-To: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <349765.90122.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1011C5C9-1827-4847-906B-83EF8637CC73@bnj.com> Yup, they're fine. I've used the one-wire version. Bulletproof. On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have been zapped by the Prince of Darkness. My alternator is on > the fritz > and I would like to go through the exercise of diagnosing and > repairing the > orginal. In the interim I would like to keep the car on the road > and to do so > I have found an inexpensive after market remanufactured unit sold > under the > name HI TEST. The core charge is $19 so I can afford to keep the > old one for > repair practice. Question is, has anyone used one of these units > and if so > how reliable are they? > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bill at kenalu.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:11 2009 From: Bill at kenalu.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: I'm going to have to send this in four chunks because of the size limit on the FOT list, Please pardon that. I'll also post it on the CRC website. This is some additional information about the CRC that SOVREN sends to the racers. I expect you folks attending will find it useful whether you're racing or not. Don't forget to bring some vintage duds for the Sunday Night party. I remember clears as if it were yesterday when Uncle Jack and Joe visited and wore vintage clothes to the party. When I asked where Uncle Jack got his perfect Full Cleveland leisure suit from, he said "From my closet"!! Vintage dress is also encouraged for Peyote's Birthday Party on Saturday Night. The Birthday Party will be in the Triumph ghetto, around Nero (My Airstream). Begin forwarded message: > From: "Richard Buckingham, Jr" > Date: August 21, 2009 1:22:08 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Columbia River Classic > > Thank you for entering the 7th Annual Columbia River Classic at > Portland International Raceway on Sept. 5-7. We will be sharing the > facility with the ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET on Saturday and Sunday. > They will have over 800 cars on display and a variety of activities > including a slalom on part of the PIR course, an off-road > adventure on the motocross course, and a swap meet. We especially > welcome > this year Kas Kastner and a large contingent of Triumphs who will be > participating in the 2009 Kastner Cup Race on Sunday. We think that > it should be a great weekend for racers and spectators alike- > you will be able to overdose of car stuff. > > > PADDOCK PARKING: On Friday PIR is rented by the Lotus Club during > the day. If you are planning to register and set up on Friday (which > we strongly encourage), the best window of opportunity will be > between Noon and 6:00PM. Al Murray and his crew will be there to > help you find your assigned space. IF YOU ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION > HOURS ON FRIDAY, PLEASE SHOW THIS LETTER TO > THE GATE SECURITY PERSONNEL FOR ADDMITTANCE TO THE PADDOCK. > > You will receive one parking pass, which will allow one street > vehicle in the paddock. There will also be one crew parking pass > available for each entry, which will allow one vehicle in the > designated crew > parking area inside the gate. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:41:49 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part deux Message-ID: <3538B599-6AE8-4945-BFB3-E5FF09C723B1@me.com> > REGISTRATION: Registration will be held at a trailer outside the > Main Gate at PIR. It is in the first parking lot as you turn into > the PIR property. Registration hours are: > Friday, Sept. > 4 12 PM  6 PM > Saturday, Sept, > 5 7 AM  2 PM > Sunday, Sept. > 6 7 AM  2 PM > Monday, Sept. > 7 8 AM  12 PM (at Main > Entrance to PIR) > > Each driver must sign a waiver at Registration before they can take > their car on the track. Please bring your racing license to > Registration. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A VALID COMPETITION LICENSE. > Advise your crew that they will need to come to Registration in > person to sign the waiver and receive their wristband. You are > allowed three crew passes plus the driver. Overbuys are $10 for a 3 > day pass. > YOUR CREW WILL HAVE TO PAY THE $10 ADMISSION ($20 for 3 days) IF > THEY ARRIVE AFTER REGISTRATION IS CLOSED. No will call arrangements > can be made for this event, and ABFM ticket > takers cannot sign in crew. > > We have had problems in the past with Drivers speeding past the > volunteer gate attendants without proper parking credentials and > crew passes. Please be courteous to these volunteers and follow their > directions. Dont try to sneak extra people in - you are cheating > SOVREN and the ABFM and compromising our liability insurance! > > TECH: Tech inspectors will at be at the track on Friday afternoon. > Tech will be held Saturday beginning at 7AM. You will be teched in > your paddock area on Friday and in the Pre-grid area as is usual at > PIR on Saturday morning. > > FRIDAY TESTING: As stated previously, the Lotus Club has rented the > track on Friday. There will be limited opportunities for testing > available. Telephone John Long at (425) 822-1368 days or Mark > Viskov at (503) 641-7693 for information and to make arrangements. From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:24 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part C Message-ID: <53DB0732-AB59-4A2B-A848-60CDCD6AEF36@me.com> > MOTELS: While we have not blocked motel rooms, there are many > accommodations nearby. > > Best Western Inn at the Meadows - (503) 286-9600  mention ABFM for > their room block > Courtyard by Marriott- (503) 735-1818 > Red Lion at the Quay, Vancouver- (360) 695-8341 > Homewood Suites, Vancouver - (360) 695-8341 > > FEATURED RACES: On Saturday afternoon we have scheduled our > traditional BATTLE OF BRITAIN Race, which is a handicap race open to > all British race cars entered in the event. On Sunday > afternoon we will feature The 2009 Kastner Cup Race for all Triumph > and Triumph powered racing cars. If your car fits these features, > please plan to participate. > > ELECTRONIC TIMING: We will be using our AMB timing system. If you > have a rechargeable transponder, DO NOT FORGET TO CHARGE YOUR UNIT. > Rental units may be picked up at Registration > Saturday morning and must be returned to Drivers Services before > you leave the event. > > DRIVERS MEETINGS: The mandatory Drivers Meetings will be held in > the Tower Grandstand at 8:30AM Saturday and Sunday and Monday. BE > THERE! > > SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES: A tentative schedule is included with this > letter. If there is a change in schedule, a new schedule will be > distributed at Registration. Because of the sound variances, we had > constraints on when we could schedule the louder groups so the order > of the groups varies from day to day. Please check your schedule > each day. The really good news is that each participant will get > over 2 hours of track time and 5 races at this event and still get > an early start home on Monday. > > SOVREN Novice drivers for 2009 should be sure to note the debriefing > meetings Saturday and Sunday at the noon break. > > SOUND VARIANCE: We have a sound variance from the city of Portland > for the Exhibition group at 112 dBA and Groups 3 and 4 at 108 dBA, > with black-flag at 110 dBA, measured 50 feet from the track. > Other groups will be black flagged at 105 dBA. The start time of > some groups is affected by the sound variance. > > SOCIAL ACTIVITIES: > Sunday night: There will be a bar-b-que dinner in the party tent > for racers, crews and race volunteers on Sunday evening. This is > the time to dust off your vintage duds, dress up and be prepared to > rock on. > We plan to combine the best of our previous block parties with the > convenience of being on-site. Each entrant will receive 2 tickets > for the dinner with their entry. If you wish to purchase additional > tickets for the > party, please contact me as soon as possible as we have to give the > caterer a number before the weekend. Ticket price is $20 each for > the barbecue dinner and a beverage. Good music, yummy food, crazy > costumes- who can ask for more? > > Please remember that Saturday morning 800 All British Field Meet > cars will be arriving at the track at the same time you are > arriving. Plan accordingly and come early. We will try hard to > make things run as > smoothly as possible. If you have questions, you may contact Al > Murray at (425) 487-1902, or me at (425) 277-3177. > > We are looking forward to seeing you and your crew in Portland! > Judy Buckiingham From billbab at me.com Fri Aug 21 17:42:43 2009 From: billbab at me.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC part IV Message-ID: <37A984BA-83A7-4DC5-85A2-B38672FDB6C5@me.com> > REVISED 2009 COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC SCHEDULE > > RACE GROUPS > > Group 1 - VINTAGE & Formula V, & selected Small Bore Historic > > Group 2 - HISTORIC Small Bore > > Group 3 - HISTORIC Mid Bore & Large Bore & Sportsracers > > Group 4 - FORMULA Cars > > Group 5  FORMULA & EXHIBITION > > Friday Sept. 4 > > 12:00 - 6:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 12:00 - 5:00 Tech Inspection in your paddock location > > > > Saturday Sept. 5 > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Trailer in PIR Parking > area at entrance to property > > 7:00 - ? Tech Inspection in pre-grid area > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:00 Track familiarization for drivers new > to PIR  in front of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:25 Group 1 Practice & Qualifying > > 9:35 - 10:00 Group 2 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:10 -10:35 Group 4 Practice & Qualifying > > 10:45 -11:10 Group 3 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:20 -11:45 Group 5 Practice & Qualifying > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > Group photo of Kastner Cup competitors in Festival > Turns > > 2:05 - 2:25 Group 5 Race #1 > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 3 Race #1 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 1 Race #1 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 2 Race #1 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 4 Race #1 > > 4:35 - 4:55 BATTLE OF BRITAIN Handicap Race- open to > all British race cars > > 5:00 Worker party- Fast Track Cafe > > 5:00 - ? Road course clear  ABFM track activities > > > > Sunday Sept. 6 > > 7:30 Chapel Service > > 7:00 - 2:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower Grandstand > > 8:55 - 9:15 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 4 Race #2 > > 9:55 - 10:15 Group 2 Race #2 > > 10:25 -10:45 Group 1 Race #2 > > 10:55 -11:15 Group 3 Race #2 > > 11:25 -11:45 Group 5 Race #2 > > 11:50 Meeting for 2009 SOVREN Novice Drivers- > Rick Korn's tent > > 11:50  1:50 LUNCH BREAK and ALL BRITISH FIELD MEET > Track Activities > > 2:00 - 2:25 KASTNER CUP RACE- all Triumph & Triumph > powered race cars > > 2:35 - 2:55 Group 5 Race #3 > > 3:05 - 3:25 Group 3 Race #3 > > 3:35 - 3:55 Group 4 Race #3 > > 4:05 - 4:25 Group 2 Race #3 > > 4:35 - 4:55 Group 1 Race #3 > > 5:30 - ? BAR-B-QUE dinner in the party > tent at track- vintage dress encouraged > > > > Monday Sept. 7 > > 8:00 - 12:00 Registration at Main Gate entrance > > 8:00 - 8:30 Worker's Meeting at base of Tower > > 8:30 - 8:50 MANDATORY DRIVERS MEETING  Tower > Grandstand > > 9:00 - 9:20 Open Test and Tune/Warmup > > 9:25 - 9:45 Group 1 Race #4 > > 9:50 - 10:10 Group 2 Race #4 > > 10:20 -10:40 Group 3 Race #4 > > 10:45 -11:05 Groups 4 & 5 Race #4 > > 11:15 -11:35 Group 1 Race #5 > > 11:40 -12:00 Group 2 Race #5 > > 12:10 -12:30 Group 3 Race #5 > > 12:35 -12:55 Group 4 & 5 Race #5 > > > 1:00 Lunch & Worker's party at Fast Track Cafi From BILLB at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 17:49:56 2009 From: BILLB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:49:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Peyote Birthday Party References: <7701F148-1B0D-4EEF-87BC-6679DD27197C@bnj.com> Message-ID: Diane confirms that she will have alternate cuisine for those who prefer to eat further down the food chain. Face-eating refers someone who told us she didn't eat anything with a face. To which I replied "How about Oysters?". I guess I needed sensitivity training. Begin forwarded message: > From: Diane Jenkins > Date: August 21, 2009 1:05:07 PM PDT > To: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote Birthday Party > > I'll have veggie burgers on hand to aid downsizing or non-face > eating efforts. > Di > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> No problemo, Irv, though you know Lamb is the other, other white >> meat. Nothing is required but your smiling face and an appetite. >> >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Irv Korey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>> We will be barbequing Lamb (from my Daughter's farm), and a bunch >>> of Brats in honor of our midwest contingent. Diane is handling the >>> food, so there will be enough for a mid-sized African village. >>> Wine, beer, etc. If anyone has any dietary issues please let me >>> know and we'll be sure to accommodate you, unless you're some kind >>> of exotic vegan lacto, ovo, nuevo whatevero, in which case you can >>> probably just graze in the paddock. >>> >>> Well, I'm not vegan, lacto, ove, nuevo, whatevero, but if there >>> could be a chicken breast or a veggie burger, that would certainly >>> help me with my downsizing program. And, I'd be happy to bring a >>> batch of either, or both, as my contribution to Peyote's birthday >>> party. Or anything else (wine, cheese, chips, whatever). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Irv From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 21 20:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux C doe. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Aug 21 20:08:05 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic In-Reply-To: <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> References: <261921A1-4D1A-4BA2-B6B1-0FE98D8B80F9@ix.netcom.com> <4A8F51D5.2050804@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2DD20C07-6A15-49FA-AB13-2B0F8FD281AE@bnj.com> I try to keep you on yer toez. But I confess I didn't think of that. On Aug 21, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'm surprised that part 4 was labeled 'IV' - I was hoping for deux > C doe. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 22 07:55:53 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Austin-Healeys are going to Bonneville, Utah Message-ID: Not Triumph, but definitely cool. Paul Would you please pass this along to Boot 'n Bonnet members. Jim Reid and Martha McIntyre hosted Charles Matthews when he was here for the A-H Conclave - - this information will be in our next SPANNER, but because the speed attempts will be in September, it would be timely for our membership to have this information now. These attempts are to recreate the Austin-Healey record setting speed runs at Bonneville in 1954 (a fact that helped sell cars!!) Lois Logan Dear Lois, It was delightful to meet you at the conclave, and I hope that you have recovered from all your hard work. I had a good journey back home and have been very busy with historic car racing festivals and lots of people staying in my home. Jim passed along your message regarding information for the next edition of the SPANNER. The latest news on the Healeys Return to Bonneville project ... I am delighted to let you know that both the cars have now left Australia and are on their way to Seattle, where they are due to arrive on the 28th August. I attach an image of the cars before they left Australia. The teams' schedule is for the cars to go to John Wilson's workshop (Healey Lane Restorations) in Eugene, Oregon after clearing US customs. They will then be on show at the Portland All British Car Field Meeting from 5th to 7th September before going to Miller Motorsports Park on Saturday 12th for the AHCA Bonneville Clubs event. Technical inspection for the world of Speed starts on Monday 14th, and the event starts on Wednesday 16th. If the cars are successful, then they will run on Thursday and maybe even Friday. Dave Maxwell (AHCA Bonneville) in conjunction with Wendover City council are setting up a technical forum in the community centre for 19.00 on Wednesday evening where the whole team will be present together with Gordon Whitby (original Austin mechanic at the record runs) and Ron Christensen (USFRA historian). I am very pleased to let you know that Roy Jackson-Moore (one of the last survivors of the 1954 record team) will be attending the event, and I am travelling with him, arriving in Salt Lake City at midnight on Thursday 10th September. We hope that Carroll Shelby will also be joining the team. Carroll has some health issues, so his decision will be last minute ... we are keeping our fingers crossed that he will be well enough to join us on the salt. Charles Matthews Team Manager teammanager at healeysreturntobonneville.com www.healeysreturntobonneville.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of A-H Streamliner & Endurance Cars July 09.jpg] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 22 09:36:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question Message-ID: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to figure out some alternate arrangement. Thanks, Tony Drews From billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 22 10:59:46 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:59:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC Paddock question In-Reply-To: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> References: <20090822153723.2CAA7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0B415045-F237-45DE-B1D9-1CEF5919394E@bnj.com> It's mostly paved. Usually we set up in the grass pits, but there may not be any with the All British Field Meet there. If we can get in the grass we will. I tie my canopy to the car and my trailer even when I'm in the grass. PIR is not generally windy, though you never know. I've seen an occasional flying canopy there, but nothing like Sears Point (Infineon) On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Is the paddock at CRC paved? I'm wondering if I will be able to > pound stakes in the ground to hold down my canopy or if I need to > figure out some alternate arrangement. > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 22 11:00:00 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR Danville 300 April 18, 1971 TR4 #67 Message-ID: <001401ca2349$fcae3320$0d00a8c0@latitudefb1e41> Does anyone know anything about this car or the drivers? Danville 300 Virginia International Raceway, Danville, Virginia Date: 18/4/1971 Finishers: 22 Pole position: Fastest lap: Distance: 300 miles, Average speed: 121,31 kmh Weather: Ruleset: IMSA GT Car info: GTO, GTU, TO, TU, A and B Pos Pos in class # Team / Entrant Drivers, Nationality Engine Engine Group Car- Engine vol. (cc) Type DNF 8 67 Derek Sims, USA 1991 L4 GTU Triumph TR4 Howard Smith, USA From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 22 23:03:41 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] List interruption Message-ID: <20090823050341.2E4462E0B6@bradakis.com> First off, let me say thanks to those who have recently contributed to the continued running of Team.Net - I do appreciate it. I think I have all the AOL folks back on the list as before. If you're an AOL subscriber and you didn't get this email, let me know ;-) Monday, August 24, the local power company will be doing some work in my neighborhood. Power may be off here at the house for several hours. I'll be shutting down the servers that morning, and they could be off until later that afternoon. So if you send off a message and don't see it for a while, or you can't get to the archives or forums, be patient, things will get back to normal. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 23 17:10:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:10:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice looking TR3 Message-ID: <4A91CC59.3020803@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16 Gee, I should have taken a picture of the nice shiny new control head I put in the steering column the other day. mjb. From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 19:15:26 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt lube and torque specs Message-ID: <506791.48246.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Anybody have a line on where to get ARP bolt lube and a reference for APR 2000 torque specs? Bob Blake From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 24 17:48:29 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: <4A9326CD.4050501@bradakis.com> A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 24 18:33:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: It's awful. Must have been the power of suggestion from Gary Fuqua. I still itch from two years ago. I went to the EAA Covention with it in 2007 and ate 800 mg. Ibuprofen. I think a shot at early onset can mitigate the symptoms. Otherwise, the shot will nearly prevent future cases of it. Hope it isnt shingles. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:12:27 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 Message-ID: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> List Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. Thanks, Greg Lund From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 24 20:22:42 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Rod Kent Welcome Message-ID: <4A934AF2.8070609@cyberspeedway.net> List, Rod will be a welcome addition to our ranks. I crewed for Rod for 15 years and would never have learned my Tr6 stuff without his help. He will always help out a friend in trouble at the track. We had a lot of fun and he is a consumate sportsman. I noticed his lap times always picked up when he had a Porsche in front to chase, especially Wolfgang. Greg Lund From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 24 20:27:10 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stanley Trumbower TR6 In-Reply-To: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> References: <4A93488B.90007@cyberspeedway.net> Message-ID: <20090825022800.E1F32187659@autox.team.net> Picture of the car on the first page of this PDF http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOAOct72.pdf At 07:12 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >List > Does anyone know any history of the Stanley Trumbower TR6? > There is a TR6 here in AZ which might be his but there is no documentation. >Thanks, >Greg Lund >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 24 20:47:51 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:47:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] I blame you guys Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2009 7:51:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: A while back there was some discussion of the medical malady 'shingles' I went to the doctor this morning to have him check out this rash I was starting to get. Shucks. Hopefully it won't affect my planned trip to Portland. What fun. ==AM== Well, if you hadn't had chicken pox as a child, you wouldn't have shingles now. Let that be a lesson to you. Heck, it took Letterman a month to recover: _http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamur phy/main547111.shtml_ (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/01/earlyshow/contributors/melindamurphy/main547111.shtml) Best wishes for a quick recovery! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 15:43:06 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing For Charity Message-ID: Hi, This is pure unadulterated spam, so feel free to hit delete now. I wanted to "ring" all of you about what I'm doing this weekend. I'll be "racing against leukemia" with my Sports Car Club of America friends. In short, pretty much all the money collected the weekend for pledge runs in the autocross, a time, speed, distance rallye, road racing, track tours, etc. will all be turned over to the UMass Memorial Foundation earmarked for Leukemia research. Please go to: http://www.firstgiving.com/robertlang1 and consider making a donation of any size. If you're in a $$$ squeeze, don't frett, the site will accept donations up 'till 30-NOV-2009 And _tell your friends and extended family_, please. Thanks so much. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2009 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 10:02:50 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Aug 26 16:00:00 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fot art de armand reinstate new email provider 'riverside @southslope.net' In-Reply-To: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <000a01ca2696$c8baddc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <8CBF4AFB151E02E-13EC-383F8@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> I nominate Art De Armand for reinstatement.?? He says he misses us. -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: fot Joe ? thanks for helping me get back with the group ? ? art From niteseeker at mac.com Wed Aug 26 16:15:26 2009 From: niteseeker at mac.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: <3B2E0DBF-4695-45EA-9AF9-56DC152468AD@mac.com> Sorry to post here but am trying to save a spitfire from the crusher or me from a tongue lashing for buying another car A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 26 16:36:29 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Enclosed Trailer Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <250EDCA9-AA6D-4154-9209-6DFA8F00150F@REcatalyst.com> Message-ID: <0DD31B95-2F22-4CCC-84CC-DD714F5CC440@bnj.com> Scott, where are you located? I have a fairly new pacer that I plan to sell cheaply. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > My basic Haulmark 20' box trailer was stolen and recovered, but > extensively damaged. Fortunately the GT6 was not in it. Anticipating > that the trailer will be "totalled" by the insurance company, I'm > looking at new trailers. Any experience with the V-nose trailers - > are they more or less stable to tow, do they really reduce gas > consumption? Any brand or equipment experience anyone has had, good > or bad? I'm going to stay in the 18-20' range, probably can't afford > to go to the all-aluminum route. Appreciate your feedback! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 23 09:10:14 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TTA in Iowa Lunch with John Macartney and the Stag known as 'uncle jack' Message-ID: <8CBF21AF3D1222A-8A8-6895@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Lists Right now the plan is to meet at the Clear Lake Perkins restaurant for lunch at 11:30AM this Friday. This is the intended handoff from Omaha to Minneapolis. If you are within striking distance and would like to join us for lunch, please do. I-80 and I-35?will likely be the limited exposure he will have to our wonderful state. Regards, Joe Alexander ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From niteseeker at aol.com Wed Aug 26 16:07:55 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1973 spitfire Message-ID: A friend purchased a 73 spitfire basket case and decided it was more than he wanted to do. He is trying to sell it the body is pretty rust free, has a 1500 motor. I am listing it here to try and save it from the crusher. Any one interested contact me and I will give him your contact information. It is in Winona, MN. I can help deliver it for gas to anyone close. Thanks for looking dick ross From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 26 21:22:34 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pixs from the Historics Message-ID: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> IF your TR is numbered 29, 34 or 116 and you were at the Monterey Historics they are pictured in the September Newsletter that I just published on the DCTRA website. http://www.dctra.org/News/Sep2009.pdf Along with a munched Ferrari Link to the complete on-line DCTRA Newsletter archive http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=32 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Aug 27 04:24:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Transport in NE? Empty Trailer Available Message-ID: I should be returning this coming Saturday & Sunday (8/29 & 30) with an empty car hauler from Buffalo, via Brewster, NY, through White Plans, through NJ, through Philadelphia, finishing in Reading, PA, if anyone is looking for a car to be transported. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 27 12:21:11 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 available cheap Message-ID: <390292.77826.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, My best friend's neighbor is being foreclosed upon. He has a 71 TR6 that's been in his back yard for many years that needs to go away quickly. Car is just west of Madison WI in Cross Plains. It is complete but interior and body are rough. That's about all I know. If anyone has interest in saving it from the crusher, please contact Loren Ziglin at 608-219-0870 cell or 608-798-4826 home. If any FOT has interest I could possibly help with transport and short-term local storage. I just have no room or interest for another project. Gary Schneider From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 28 07:09:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:09:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Advice to clerify car handling In-Reply-To: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> References: <20090827033218.AE30B187679@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walther Roehl said once about oversteer and understeer. If you can see the tree you hit, then it is understeer. If you only can hear the tree, then it was oversteer. ;-) Cheers Chris and happy listening From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 28 16:06:00 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test run, sort of Message-ID: <4A9854C8.2070900@bradakis.com> Karen and I will soon be heading down to Cedar City, a few hundred miles south of Salt Lake. Even with the meds the doctor gave me for shingles, I am still in a fair amount of pain and discomfort. But this weekend's trip to the Shakespeare fest should give me a good indication of whether or not I can make it to Portland next weekend. We shall see. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 16:44:50 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:44:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PIR in-car video Message-ID: <673993c50908281544s507cc303s9e7526b0d31f28b6@mail.gmail.com> There is some good Spec Miata video of PIR floating around that a few of you might appreciate With chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di8uR5Nib8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLK02PN2Xc without chicane.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zeHI06xeM and what not to do.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Exuq_t7seA Good luck to everyone heading out there, Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 28 17:46:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Monterey Historics photos Message-ID: Here are some Monterey Historics photos from a friend in my email group....'THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE GANG click on the link below Racer Bud..Spitfire#21 > Hey Bud, > > I finished going over my photos from the Historics, so feel free to check > 'em out and pass this on to the "gang." > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=2009+Monterey+Historic+Races > > I have been busy over the summer and there are a bunch of other photo sets > which I'm sure folks will find interesting. The latest sets of photos can > always be found here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/newestimages.php > > Hope all is well, and enjoy! Thanks. > > Michael ATSPEED Plitkins > > PS: The latest toy is here: > > http://atspeedimages.com/search.php?s=lotus+35+%2335f23 . We are working > on checking it out and getting it ready for next year! From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Aug 29 09:01:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:01:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition Message-ID: <8D65E8CC3C7A4671855ADE53B528D9AC@Pendys> FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 29 10:05:03 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FWIW ClampTite tool Message-ID: <000301ca28c2$7a770f70$6f652e50$@com> I was up at EAA this year and bought this really neat tool for making hose clamps, or any other type of clamp, using stainless steel or regular wire, and this tool. The tool is a "ClampTite" "The clamp making tool". Their web site is www.clamptitetools.com There are 2 videos on the site showing 2 different styles of clamps. Looks to be really handy at the track. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 30 08:17:03 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Message-ID: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:20:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Aug 30 08:31:43 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AAEF2D66A3C4FEB894E53E6986D6642@your4dacd0ea75> Winchester Blue 2922 TR3 1957/8 http://www.vtr.org/maintain/paint-charts/martin-senour-colors.jpg There is a reference here. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: August 30, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Aug 30 08:34:12 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <5295DF1B922142B3B261140875D05568@Dell5100Laptop> Bob, I looked into this some years ago and got the following email from Don Pikovnic of ICI paints. Don From: donp at ncweb.com [mailto:donp at ncweb.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 8:08 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Winchester Blue, et al Listers, Powder Blue (ICI # 8103) is just what the name says, a light pastel blue. Wedgwood Blue (ICI # 5814) is similar in color but with significantly more gray and somewhat darker. Winchester Blue (ICI # 2922) could be described as a "pastel-like" navy blue, much darker than either of the above. Royal Blue (aka Midnight Blue ICI # 4665) is a deep, clean navy blue, very dark. For the past several months, I have been developing a color guide to postwar British cars, including Triumph, MG, Austin-Healey, and Jaguar. To that end, I have sprayed roughly 150 colors with ICI "2K" single layer urethane automotive paint onto 3" x 5" metal sample panels and have a nearly complete set for Tr2-6. These panels will serve as color standards with which we can produce a color guide. My company manufactures color cards and I intend to use our manufacturing capabilities to produce my color guide. BTW, nearly ALL colors that were used on these vehicles are readily available in a state-of-the-art coating from ICI Autocolor. Anyone interested can call ICI customer service at 1-800-647-6050 for the location of a local supplier or contact me directly for more info. Don Pikovnik Coloramic Process, Inc. 440-275-1199 donp at ncweb.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:41:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:41:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland Bound with Ambro...leaving Tuesday Message-ID: Kastner Cup folks.... The Ambro went to Minneapolis, from Iowa, via I-35 chasing John Macartney and 'uncle jack'. Trip was successful. 'Uncle jack' and John doing well on the Triumph Tour of America serving the cause of PTSD. The ARE Ambro will be going to Portland but unlikely running in the Kastner Cup. It may be used in other ways. I think we are set for the presentation of the Kastner Cup and I have the traveling Bill Ames commemorative plaque and it will be presented to another worthy Triumph Enthusiast, with the last recipient being Larry Young. Since I have no entry in place I am looking for credentials for myself and Jan and a place in the paddock for the Ambro, if I may. Can anyone help? Regards, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 30 08:50:48 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:50:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Portland's Columbia River Class Part II Message-ID: Oh yes, I will also have FOT 3 x 5 stickers with me. They were produced by Joe Curry and I need to settle with him, as he paid for them. Buy them so I can do that. I got one check in the mail on my last appeal to sell. I am also bringing some Uncle Jack Stickers for those who would like to display on their cars. Some requests were made for various A.R.E. parts and those folks may want to remind me on what they were and quantity. Wheels spacers and velocity stacks come to mind, but I didnt write anything down. Thanks! Joe A From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 30 11:19:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint In-Reply-To: <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. Bob "1957 TR3 in progress" You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Aug 30 12:17:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:17:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Message-ID: Amici... I got this email from Wm. Severin Thompson, of Team Thicko fame. I thought I would pass it along in case someone out there is lusting for nice streetable Triumph Herald. I have no financial interest, nor personal knowledge of the car whatsoever. I do respect Bill Thompson's opinion in such matters. Bill Dentinger Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:25:14 -0400 Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA088-a884a9ab5ead7; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090830172458.BZXZ6957.mta21.charter.net at imp09> for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from WSTGateway ([24.196.117.27]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ahQy1c00A0bYsz405hQytW; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:24:58 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Jal7eBYqAAAA:8 a=rJQXlOBULgneMeUKYtgA:9 a=T8XNWcWqLwjeQcBAoWQA:7 a=nDhQpsO0X3AlL4OthDu6ionSPWwA:4 a=2mpnCoypJiUA:10 a=KyBbQrBoNV0A:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=iaQ29CPlxeMA:10 a=bbB9BQdpiA_-WoUE:21 a=bx4HE-sy4tD9oniP:21 From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "Bill Dentinger" Subject: FW: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000401ca2996$c7d070c0$57715240$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acoplc9nQhopxPdFRH6dYqYDGQ1RMwAAPKlA Content-Language: en-us X-AOL-IP: 216.33.127.81 -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Foster Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:18 PM To: Spridget list Subject: [Spridgets] LBC but not Spridgets Was out for a drive yesterday in my 73 Midget and as I pulled into Arby's I got flagged down by an older gentlemen. He has a 1965 Triumph Herald convertible he's wanting to sell. Said he's had it for two years now and whenever the weather is nice enough to drive the Herald he'd rather ride one of his motorcycles. Said it's a solid rust free car and while not a show car it's a nice 20 footer and a nice driver. Red with "perfect" black interior and top; he has replaced the carpet recently. New tires, battery, water pump, starter, radiator hoses, and front brake pads and turned rotors. He did confide that the previous owner had trouble with a leaking rear wheel cylinder and blocked off the line to the rear brakes - he hasn't fixed this saying the front discs do a good job for the around town driving he uses it for. He's asking $3,500. The gentleman's name is Lyle VanHouten, he's in Clarence, Missouri (where he ran a service station for many years), and phone number is 660-699-2256. I have no idea what Herald prices are like but would go take a look myself if not for current uneconomic conditions. All normal disclosures apply ... NFI, not responsible if it rolls over your cat, eats your homework, stains your driveway, yada, yada ... You are subscribed as wsthompson at thicko.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 30 12:20:47 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint References: <4A9A89DF.3090801@cfl.rr.com> <8398BB8D3C984E5CACFD84468A70C69B@your4dacd0ea75> <1D3D468C33DA45DF808DE12DE24338AE@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A0E1C564E484A3ABEDAF2C3AD588C0B@Elliott> Here's a photo of a TR3 with its light grey top up in Winchester Blue. I don't know where the photo came from or who the owner is. Plus a Salvador Blue with a black top that was for sale on E-bay. From California. Also a very early TR3A was at Stowe VT in 1995 next to my black TR3A. He had bought this TR3A from his uncle in PA who had bought it brand new in late 1957 just when the new TR3As were coming available. He found a spot under the rear skuttle under the gas filler cap and had a local PPG paint shop make him enough for a total re-spray. He was living in Williston VT near Burlington at the time. I have not seen him since 1995. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A. Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Bob'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > That was an early version of my chart. I have since included Winchester > blue with an ICI mix code of 5944. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:21 AM > To: 'Bob'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 paint > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1080/paintcodes.html > > Looks like from Joe Curry...but no Winchester > > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: August 30, 2009 10:17 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] TR3 paint > > Trying to find a color mix code, paint brand and/or source for 1957 TR3 > Winchester Blue. Any help is much appreciated. > > Bob > "1957 TR3 in progress" > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR3 Winchester Blue.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Salvador Blue TR3 TS15107L.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of tr_group.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 01:38:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:38:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay Message-ID: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, barely. A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - shucks. mjb. From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 07:55:28 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:55:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record Message-ID: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 08:30:57 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <219873.12803.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> A 2.32:1 on a four mile track is just plan fast. The Kettle must be the last chance tune up event prior to the National Run Offs. I'd say Sargis has the car tuned and hopefully he can carry that into the Run Offs. --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Bob Adams wrote: Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his Spitfire (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). -Bob Adams You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Aug 31 11:22:08 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again, home again, home to stay In-Reply-To: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> References: <4A9B7DFF.8090005@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear that Mark, I'll send you a Bratwurst and some lamb. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:38 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This really sucks. I survived the trip to the Shakespeare Festival, > barely. > A longer weekend in Portland is just not to be. Do I need a note from > my doctor? Last week when I saw him he printed out something like > 9 pages of info about my current condition. Sigh. > > I really am sorry I won't be making it to the Columbia River Classic. > The races. the All British Field Meet, seeing old friends and new - > shucks. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Aug 31 11:41:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record References: <673993c50908310655w2e3ec2eal2fa869cc8940f22b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Adams" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record > Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his > Spitfire > (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! > > Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). > > -Bob Adams > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at CRC In-Reply-To: <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> References: <8cbd782d0908111109t3ccf6d72v7b30c0de066ce4c8@mail.gmail.com> <7BDC067C-A12F-448D-A6C3-D22079BAE60A@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0908311050l4c48c7c8rba98ced42b2b7ec0@mail.gmail.com> Well, my TR6 decided for itself that it would not compete. At an Alfa club track day last week, something let loose in the engine midway up the front straight at Seattle [i.e., over 100 mph]. No obvious external damage. Still turns over. Will do damage assessment sometime, but not real soon. So, I am sponsoring one of the races and will be there all day Saturday and Sunday for the festivities. If SOVREN was not to let me drive due to novice status, I was intending to make the car available to someone who could drive it. Sorry that is not too be, it sure was pulling well -- easily overr 6000 RPM a end of strait with a 3.5 rear end! Fully intend to be at as many TR events as possible next year. Gonna build two engines and trannies! Chuck On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Richard Buckingham, Jr wrote: > I hope you had a successful race weekend at Portland. I checked with Al > Murray to see if he had made a decision on your participation at the CRC. > He said he was waiting to hear from you with your results from the weekend. > > I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you! Judy > On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> First things first: I would like to sponsor a Group 2 race -- how do I >> get signed up and my funds to you? >> >> Second: I tried to do novice this year but the car would not >> cooperate. I have done one ICSSC event this year, and anticipate >> racing at Portland this weekend --am still a novice, but have 4 races >> under my belt. I am an avid Triumph enthusiast and would be racer >> [gotta be to have gone through all the grief of the last three years]. >> I am a member of FOT [friends of Triumph] and friend of all SOVREN Tr >> racers. I REALLY want to race in the exhibition "Kastener Kup" race >> at CRC--do not intend/want at this point to do any of the other races >> [next year!!!]. >> >> Can this be made to happen? How would I register/pay? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Aug 31 12:46:26 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001ca2a6b$58d1eb60$0a75c220$@org> Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is decided yet!). Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 31 13:02:36 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:02:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2010 Kastner Cup Message-ID: Jeff, Kastner Cup will be at Heartland Park near Topeka, KS. This will be mid-August and features a major sponsor in O'Reilly Auto Parts. The govenrnor & the mayor will be in attendance, and the National Guard will do flybys. A significant band will be playing for entertainment and BBQ will abound. There is some discussion TV coverage, but I dont know the details. Organized by Bill Brinke and Gary Fuqua, it promises to be a great event with low cost and plenty of track time. You will likely here more from Gary, shortly. Joe A....Packing for Portland > Hey all, can someone tell me where next year's race will be (if it is > decided yet!). > > Thanks, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Aug 31 14:31:16 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap record In-Reply-To: <6C2B492572B143A59D6E7548F2302020@rocky> Message-ID: I'm happy to get into the 2.40s at RA. 2.32 is insane!! Can't wait to witness The Runoffs here in my backyard. On 8/31/09 12:41 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > Average speed 94.674 mph. Yow! > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Adams" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:55 AM > Subject: [Fot] SCCA Kettle National @ Road America - Steve Sargis new lap > record > > >> Anyone else see where Steve Sargis turned a scorching 2.32.1 in his >> Spitfire >> (not sure if it was the red or blue car)? WOW! >> >> Food for thought, the EP lap record is 2.29.7 (also set this weekend). >> >> -Bob Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 17:26:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question Message-ID: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the GT6 upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Mon Aug 31 17:38:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:38:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> References: <-1357496219570455492@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I don't have one in hand either, but I'm pretty sure they are different. Check the part numbers perhaps? On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Since I've only owned TRs and not Spitfires I have a question for anyone > with knowledge about how similar the upper A-arms of a GT6 versus TR4-6. > I've checked a general Triumph car service manual and the diagram of the > GT6 > upper a-arm looks similar but not having one in hand to compare, I can't > tell if it is the same as a TR4-6. Anyone out there know? Thanks. > > > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 31 17:44:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-arm question In-Reply-To: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca2a92$77269710$6573c530$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A9C6050.90102@bradakis.com> The big TR cars and the Herald-based cars like the GT6 have completely different A arms. mjb. From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 20:25:37 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 02:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition In-Reply-To: <56887406.6104421251771794277.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1661778748.6105391251771937862.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> take the electromotive and put it on the shelf. replace it with a distributor and points and go racing.B I use a crank fire and MSD with a distributor in backup...in 6 years...no iginition failures. most everyone I know has taken the electromotives off aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: "friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:01:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Fot] hpv-1 ignition FoTer's goodmorning, found my mistery issue with the tr4 that has plaqued me all season. The electromotive crankfired ignition system that i run has been diagnosed by the factory as at fault. The base unit (that the coils plug into) does not send proper pulses consistantly, what i thought was a fuel issue turned out not so. My question, does anyone have a spare or not needed unit that they would like to part with??? Hate to invest alot of monies on a new unit this late in the season unless i have to, the unit in question is a Electromotive HPV-1 for a 4cyl. Thanks and have a good weekend. Mark Pendergrass Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 21:11:05 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <809335FD2BDF4D61A075FA1612EDF8E6@ComputerPC> Who will be at Watkins and may have a couple spare crew passes for a couple WPTA guys. Bruce Stutzman