From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 01:49:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 Message-ID: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please contact Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: Andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Sent: 3/31/2009 7:34:39 PM Subject: tr2 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR2 history.jpg] From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 02:07:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr2 history wanted Message-ID: FOT is not accepting the attachment History desired for: the car is # ts7687L built 8/19/55..shipped black body with blue interior shipped to San Fran bay Area Bought in 1998 from Doug Taber in Pebblr Beach Ca. bought in 1997 from John sariballs of Lafayette, Ca. who had done a frame off restoration at that time due to an accident..current owner, Mike Andrews has no history of the car before that.... car has 4 SU carbs please ask me for photos... or ask Mike Andrews...FOT removes the photos from my email. any info can be sent to Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Thanks Racer Bud From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 08:16:35 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> John: Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 08:39:52 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090401163919.0DB78187660@autox.team.net> The description on line says: "Penny Mallory puts the Aston Martin V8 under the spotlight, Edd China visits a classic Austin taxi collector and Tony Mason enjoys a classic car show." while the Cox Cable Guide for Thursday mentions the TR4 along with the Austin and the Aston. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=66.15823.111950.29017.9 At 08:16 AM 4/1/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >John: > >Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It >was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English >countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, >check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of John Nikas >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM >To: Fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > >Gentlemen: > >Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but >believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this >Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 >will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be >all bad. > >Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into >this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) >was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall >of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be >here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who >classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la >Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and >races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed >Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine >man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > >Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed >extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph >Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 >Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still >trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and >although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine >addition. > >Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and >Smock) second these? > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Apr 1 12:33:51 2009 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:33:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations Message-ID: John, Mordy will give you 10% on your next Gasket Works order. You'll pay full price, but get .9 of the product ordered. He'll call it a performance enhancement. As my cowboy father-in-law says, there are now so many racing TR4s now in SoCal "we're gonna have to spray for 'em!" John Frymark From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 14:02:27 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26E2CD40-D125-4E93-80CF-8157E7F8EB0C@gmail.com> It sounds like we have enough already, but I will second or third. Both are great guys. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:41 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox > Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on > this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the > Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR > cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance > into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or > the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur > should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify > them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) > and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently > displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is > a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented > Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year > in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income > while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani > and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis > and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 14:08:12 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body work/ no lbc Message-ID: <0B1666D23D0042A68865743E12C6EAF5@RobPC> My kid is stationed in Norfolk Va and was just rear ended in his 2000 honda S2000 he's fine the car needs front and rear damage repair Is there any one in the area that can recomend a body shop. Hes getting deployed soon and it may make more scence for me to go get the car and have the repair done in Boston.Storage for 9 mths was going to be an issue any way thanks for the help Dad From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 16:31:58 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:31:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Very cool video Message-ID: <20090402003157.BAA2D187653@autox.team.net> This is a helmet cam from one of our faster 125 Shifter drivers (he came in 1st or 23 karts in this particular race). The camera is mounted on the chin of his camera. Gives you a real sensation of being the driver. This is on the East Track at Firebird (the track next to I-10) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Watch the HD version. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 1 17:57:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:57:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 In-Reply-To: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> References: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Message-ID: <04dc01c9b32e$0789f900$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please > contact > Mike Andrews at > andrewsdesign at earthlink.net The missing image can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/cce6lw -- Randall From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 1 18:33:26 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:33:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: "I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. " Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually develop a west coast bias. Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? Steve **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 18:39:50 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race of Champions 2008 Message-ID: <20090402023912.2A462187874@autox.team.net> I noticed that HD Theater will be airing the 2008 Race of Champions a handful of time this coming week starting on Sunday evening. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=66.15710.127668.0.0 Carl Edwards and Tanner Faust of Team USA against Michael Schumacher and the field at the 2008 Race of Champions event from Wembley Stadium in London, UK (December 14, 2008). From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Apr 1 19:12:25 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Race Car on Craigslist Message-ID: <49D41F09.5070300@greenheart.com> Ran into this on Craigslist.... passing it along.... --Justin Triumph spitfire - $5300 (palos verdes peninsula) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply to: sale-hqmmf-1102440303 at craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads? ] Date: 2009-04-01, 11:41AM PDT 1965 triumph spitfire race car under restoration, currently about 70 % completed, frame off restoration. Has SCCA race history, last raced June 1977 and log book. Many new parts including fuel cell, fire system, paint, aluminum interior work, has original revolution wheels, kas kassner parts, Light weight fiberglass bonnet and rear deck lid. New roll bar which reinforces front and rear suspension and side impact protection. New racing windscreen etc. Great entry race car and easy restoration project. Can be made street legal. Includes additional 1967 spitfire car $ 5,300.00 Steve 310-600-9024 http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1102440303.html From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 20:39:57 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sprite towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com To: fot at autox.team Subject: Sprite transport Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:32:53 -0400 Does any have a trip planned from east to west. I have a customer here in mid PA that needs to get his car to Arizona. If anyone is going west to pick up a car let me know. Also if anyone has a lead on a good transport service please contact me. Thanks, Lorne Fritz Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 20:53:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Message-ID: <819EBC5460354D2FB8828A616B4C3F98@Bud> hi gang....formula 5000 racer in need of parts..this is what we're about..triumph or whatever..please scroll down thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N Smith To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: FW: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Bud, would you post this to the group? Steve is trying to get his car back on track and needs some help. Nick From: Seb Coppola [mailto:sebcoppola at f5000registry.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:56 PM To: F5000 Friends Subject: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! If anyone can help Steve Davis, please get in touch with him. He is trying to get his 1969 Eagle F5000 ready to race with us at Thunderhill in mid-May. Best, Seb Sebastian (Seb) Coppola President - Formula 5000 Drivers Association Administrator - F5000 Registry Phone: (248) 601-2800 Cell: (248) 219-4448 www.F5000Registry.com Email: SebCoppola at F5000Registry.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steve Davis [mailto:sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:35 PM To: Seb Coppola Subject: Parts! Hey Seb, In refreshing my Eagle I've found some problems with my half shafts. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you put this out to the F5000 membership to see if anyone has spares or leads on spares? Thanks much. Steve Davis 831-320-0967 sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com Need: SMALL B.R.D. HALFSHAFTS Specifically I need the male shafts but will of course take the whole piece. I think Spicer made at least two lengths on these and the ones I need are the SHORT ones (McLaren ones are longer), OA length of the shaft excluding the yoke is approximately 6". I already have new yokes if you have a good piece with a bad yoke. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From cak at dimebank.com Wed Apr 1 21:29:00 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] replacement TR4A head? Message-ID: <200904020429.n324T0he011411@moose.dimebank.com> Someone just wrote me asking about a head he bought on ebay, supposedly a TR4A head. It has the bevel in the combustion chamber, but the number cast into it is 582137, not 511695. Any idea what this head is? Was there a later version of the TR4A head? I can't find any record of this part number... Thanks, chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 22:14:53 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904012214x510ea34ci66b9769a6b4ead58@mail.gmail.com> We will be there? Snack bar? I didn't know there was a snack bar. Are we not going to be where Paul and John were last at Big Bore Bash? Wherever we are can someone save a space? I won't be there until early Saturday morning. John P.S. West Coast Bias? We should be the center of the universe. With alll due respect to the Group 44 guys and others this is where Kas made his mark. And last time I checked we had 27 Triumphs (or Triumph powered cars) at the last event. That should be some kind of record for a non-marque featured race. With Steve Smith and Gee up front followed by Paul, Mordy, Frank and John we acquit ourselves very well. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > *"I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still > runs sans #1 > piston or rod. "* > > Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... > > Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually > develop a west coast bias. > > Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) > > I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the > snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? > > Steve > > ------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Apr 2 06:57:56 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Smashing News Message-ID: Two Ferraris crash together in Oklahoma. http://www.wreckedexotics.com/articles/021.shtml From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Apr 2 07:30:06 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front align. Message-ID: <1D12CF59133C49D392EE2B4C5DDF2908@Pendys> FOT'ers, Thank You for the input\suggestions on setting up the early tr4 front end alignment. A special tip off the hat to Jim G. - Chuck A - Bill B. In my earlier request, i was incorrect to my tire size,car is shod with goodyear 23-9-15 not 23-9.5-15 as i thought.A question was asked about the HP rateing,previous engine was 189 at 13.3 comp. ratio. New one is at dyno as i write, but i think we will be somewhat over that figure.I have shaved a considerable amount of weight off the car over the winter which translates to you know what.So again,i thank you for the input. Mark Pendy From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 4 05:37:31 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 4 06:03:28 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ATL 12 gal. I usually use 7-9 gallons per race. Mike #28 EP http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sat Apr 4 06:47:52 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <557B69B8D7D84BC1AAB28100D912F9B6@Dell5100Laptop> 8 gallon Fuel Safe. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 07:17:30 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <63653142.508321.1238854650828.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> /Owm6WK: Permission denied From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Apr 4 07:33:34 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D76FBE.1070000@charter.net> Andre Rousseau wrote: > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 8 gallon Fuel Safe in a 72 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 4 08:10:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fuel Cells Message-ID: **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells To: andre at gt6.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 04/04/2009 6:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > What do you guys run? > I had FUEL SAFE put a custom bladder in my stock TR3 fuel tank in the late 1980s. Worked great without butchering the car in any way. I carry pictures with my log book in case they don't believe it's in there. FUEL SAFE is replacing that bladder this winter. Not sure how much it holds, but at least eight gallons. Bill Dentinger ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 09:19:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090404171822.12830187642@autox.team.net> 12 Gallon Fuel Safe cell in my TR-4. It's big enough to run a one hour enduro without running out of gas. 8 gallons is good for about 45 minutes of running. - Tony At 07:37 AM 4/4/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >What do you guys run? > >Thanks. > >A. > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 4 11:13:53 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:13:53 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance Message-ID: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 12:54:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:54:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 53 L standard steel tank. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 14:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 15:45:36 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090404234451.293CB187898@autox.team.net> The ones that Jack made he tried for just a few thousandths clearance and we didn't see evidence of contact on disassembly. The teflon ones are supposed to be a net fit from what I understand. - Tony D At 12:14 PM 9/4/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that >everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone >successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a >successful minimum clearance? > >Thanks, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat Apr 4 18:50:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 8 gallon ATL in a 1964 Spitfire Mk. 1 (H Production). With two fuel pickups, one at each rear corner. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sun Apr 5 07:22:13 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:22:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR6 For Sale Message-ID: Amici, I rarely post but some of you may remember me from the period when I produced the axle upgrade with Uncle Jack. As the ongoing recession takes its toll, I regretfully need to sell my TR6 to raise cash. The car is a 1972 model that I have had since High School. It has been restored once and is a full race car at this point. The engine and tranny are out and engine is diassembled into major components. The fenders and hood are fiberglass and I have the original steel hood. Flenders are flared. I also have a never installed fiberglass airdam. All fiberglass parts are from molds owned by Rod Kent who used to run a TR6 in SCCA. Windscreen is Ted Schumaker low profile racing acrylic and I have the OEM windsheild and frame. Car has onboard Halon system and a aircraft version of an Accusump. It also has an fully shrouded aluminum radiator from a Porsche. Battery is located in the trunk area, fuel cell is mounted in the trunk well. Rear suspension features Bilstein coilovers mounted to the rollbar. Front has high rate spings and .875 dia solid 4130 sway bar with adjustable Konis. Rear hubs are Datsun 510 single piece conversions. All suspension bushings are urethane or delrin. Allfin drums on rear, OEM calipers up front with braided steel lines and Howe dual master cylinder and balance bar. Engine has cam bearings, approx 10:1 compression head, roller rockers, triple Webers on Canon manifold,hardened valve seats, toleranced oil pump, aluminum flywheel. Crank is tapped for extra flywheel bolts. Exhaust is through a header with temperature monitoring bungs and thermocouples, stright 2.5" pipe out the back. Pistons are original but rods have been lightened and everything balanced staticaly and dynamically. Tranny has J type OD. The cam bearings need to be replaced, I had an oil starvation problem after last rebuild. Other bearings and crank look good. Suspension was well sorted in my opinion, but Accumsump, windscreen, air dam and oiling system are unproven. Car got new floorpans and rocker panels in the early 90's and has been garaged ever since so rust shuld not be an issue. Frame is galvanized! I also have a lot of the OEM parts in boxes but only one fender. I am hoping someone out there can buy and enjoy this great car. If not I will probably part it out on Ebay. I am located in Phoenix Arizona. Please let e know if you have a serious interest and I wil get pictures and details. Thanks Mark Weathers From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:18:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Hi Gang.. Lucas TR6/250 fuel injection unit for sale for 750.00..please contact Dean Beaupre in Sebastopol, Ca at dabeaupre at gmail.com Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:46:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Message-ID: <53558CBBFE8C4628A081CA904A0377ED@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Hi gang...TIDE EBDING is going to convert his vintage racing TR4(Steve froines' Ol' Blue' to an SCCA Racecar...He's looking for fibreglass flared stuff, etc..contact tide at tidetr3 at yahoo Racer Bud From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 06:08:20 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 29, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andre, I run an 8 Gallon ATL fuel cell in my Spitfire. I can almost run 2 sessions on the track if I forget to fill it between races. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 6 06:39:44 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark, I can't help you with your crank scraper clearance, but have you noticed the date your computer is sending out? 9/4/09 ! Are you going to be making up some scrapers for sale? I may be interested if you are. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Apr 6 08:59:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 10:04:57 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493497.20097.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can't send any photo links, but we have about 6 inches (15 cm) of new snow at my home here in Southeast Michigan. They will probably make some comment about it on the NCAA finals tonight. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: Andre Rousseau To: FOT Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 10:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at vt.edu Mon Apr 6 06:37:54 2009 From: jhassall at vt.edu (Hassall, James) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank end float issues Message-ID: Has anyone successfully tightened the thrust clearance? While checking the dimensions for the crank gear / cam gear parallelism, it ocurred to me that if the crank is fully forward at 0.006 clearance and the cam is fully to the rear at 0.0075, there's a possibility that the crank gear and cam gear will be out of plane by 0.0135. If it's so important (according to the shop manual) to have the two gears dead nuts parallel, what about tightening the the crank thrust clearance? At least that should reduce the back and forth wear on the timing chain. OTOH, should the parallelism be checked with crank and cam fully forward or fully rearward? That seems most logical to me, but the manual makes no mention of the procedure. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Virginia Tech Administrative Information Systems 540.231.2124 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 10:59:18 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer Message-ID: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Thanks. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:22 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike From emanteno at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:29 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer In-Reply-To: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> References: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Message-ID: <354a1780904061112iffe89bg266fd78a54472bcb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by > a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good > insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Tim, I used them to cover my TR4 and still use them for coverage on my street TR6. The real question, are they a good insurer, has yet to be answered as I have never had a claim with them. If I'm lucky, I never will. Irv Korey From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 14:01:17 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c9b6f2$72eb1680$58c14380$@com> XRP of South Gate, CA (www.xrp.com; tele. 562-861-4765)has a AN-3 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare fitting, their part no. 402703, that I used on the Wilwood "Clutch & Small Brake Master Cylinders" for both front and rear master cylinders and the clutch master cylinder. These are Girling style master cylinders so this part may work for you. The AN-4 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare is part no. 402714. They have other adapter fittings for 7/16-20 and metric. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 15:55:48 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor References: Message-ID: <000a01c9b702$724e9520$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Pegasus has a good supply of adapter fittings. I'm looking at a similar situation. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor > I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an > adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks > like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. > I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN > adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I > can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard > master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? > Any other ideas? > > thanks > mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 16:02:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:02:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c9b703$5887a7c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> The forecast here is calling for a 5-8 inch snowfall tonight. It will set a record if it happens. Snowing now. The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... > Snowing in Ottawa. > > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg > > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 6 15:12:23 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:12:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: Out here in the Southwest we get the Mexican forecast...Chile today, Hot Tamale... In a message dated 4/6/2009 2:03:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 15:15:55 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:15:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:24:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 6 15:28:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:30:44 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:46:18 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org><454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0707B37B6AC84CD4A42A28A48150D89A@Bud> i use Condon and Skelly(i think theyre owned by met life) I've been useing them for years for various vintage cars and motorcycles...The coverage is full(no deductible)...mileage is limited to about 2500....driving is for special events or 'Sunday drives'...If I commute in the car/bike..I am still covered for liability...but no coverage for damage to my vehicle... most of the vintage car companies will cover your car much more thoroughly than the traditional insurers..My friend is with JC Taylor, and they covered his loss when his garage flooded from a storm, and his Healey had water damage Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Barr, Scott" Cc: ; "Jeff Snook" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance >I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting > use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport > coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. > > > > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM > To: Jeff Snook > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance > > I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my > street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K > replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. > It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I > don't even think about shopping for price! > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple > years ago > over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 16:03:28 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003501c9b703$8462c460$8d284d20$@org> My policy with Haggerty is for race car and trailer insurance so there are not any limitations (other than the race cars are not insured for any damage on the track). Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:28 PM To: Scott Janzen; Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 6 16:27:15 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: <200904062227.n36MRFHO009125@moose.dimebank.com> h v Don't count on the flare for a seal - use a Dowty washer. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:28:20 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:35:58 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 17:00:48 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 17:04:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "'FOT'" ; "Mike Munson" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. > > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 17:26:10 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> Message-ID: And those Porsches! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. From jibjib at att.net Mon Apr 6 17:57:30 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <25B865F8C36D4A3D8DF997A5D749C667@HPPavilion> I changed over a year or so ago (Heacock to Haggerty) when the policy from Heacock changed and eliminated my ability to every drive my car to work. It's forbidden by Heacock now, but occasionally OK by Haggerty. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:17:20 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:17:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 18:23:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: Message-ID: Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; "'FOT'" Cc: "'Sam Halkias'" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > And those Porsches! > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM > To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? > Racer Bud > > >> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... >> >> >> Tom >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm >> >> >> #4 white spitfire >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: >> >> From: Mike Munson >> Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? >> To: "'FOT'" >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM >> >> Oops, the first link didn't work. >> >> Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of >> Sam's >> car. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:58:12 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <797468.12728.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Might be a little low for some tracks. ahh, you know what they say in some groups .... if it isnt rubbing on the ground, it isnt low enough ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Doug Mitchell wrote: From: Doug Mitchell Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "Mike Munson" , "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:17 PM Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 6 19:39:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why WRC Cars cost so much Message-ID: <20090407023930.9B03E187651@autox.team.net> Surviving a wreck like this with NO injuries (both the driver and navigator) shows that the cost of a WRC cars is well worth every penny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlARG0vTxeM http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=4500&desc=Latvala%20thanks%20his%20team%20for%20building%20a%20life-saver Latvala thanks his team for building a life-saver Jari-Matti Latvala has paid tribute to his BP Ford Abu Dhabi Team for building a car which kept him and his co-driver safe from harm during a horrific crash on the opening day of Rally Portugal. Latvala, 24, crashed heavily on Friday's third stage, his Focus RS plunging over a roadside barrier and rolling 20 times down a hillside, eventually coming to rest 150 metres from the road. Incredibly Latvala and his co-driver Miikka Anttila escaped without injury. Anttila flew home to Finland on Saturday morning while Latvala will remain in Portugal for public relations work this week. "I'd like to say a big thank you to the team for building a car that is so strong that we walked away with only a few bruises," said Jari-Matti. "If we had suffered that accident 20 years ago, we probably wouldn't be alive. "It is definitely the biggest and the hardest crash I have ever had. I didn't realise what was happening until we started to roll. It's a nightmare feeling when you are in that situation because all you can do is wait. As we rolled there was an incredible noise and the roll cage started to fold in around us. It was very frightening," he added. Ford team principal Malcolm Wilson echoed Latvala's comments and revealed that the car had stood us so well to the battering that it might still have a competitive future. "Firstly, we're all relieved that both Jari-Matti and Miikka escaped injury," said Wilson. "It was an incredible accident and the fact they are both unhurt is testament to the strength of the Focus RS WRC. They owe their lives to that. "It is a tribute to the skill and many hours of hard work put in by the team in designing and developing such a robust car that they climbed out uninjured. All the safety systems that have been developed by the teams and the FIA worked in the way they should. The car stood up remarkably well, to the point where - remarkably - it will probably be able to be repaired," he added. From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:28:15 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB853FA41EA6F8-12E8-5D2@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> No way at SVRA. Jack Woehrle -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:29:56 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:50:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:50:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was this taken from an old steam locomotive? Saw this first at some western movies. Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:52:34 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RACER BUD Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 03:58:29 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA???? like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 7 07:00:43 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8597FED903F3-16D0-57B@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> OK, we'll change the rules to allow air dams if it snows....even at the KIC. -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net; fasttrs at mindspring.com; jwoesvra at aol.com Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 5:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA????B like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage an d check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 7 07:20:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:20:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snows Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 7 07:41:36 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends if submerged or on the surface I would think. > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von RACER BUD > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 > An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a > friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I > nicknamed him U-BOAT > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ds From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 7 08:09:25 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snows In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: I've been expecting to hear reports back from FOT that went to the CVAR race March 28-29 in Hallett. I didn't make it to the race but I know that Saturday got snowed out, 8 inches or so, and on Sunday they raced with snow on the ground. So, maybe that snowplow air dam should be an allowable option to increase track time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Deanes, Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Snows Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 08:29:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings, I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the block. The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the intake valve area's, I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top ring at TDC. As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve flow from the intake valve and clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner should be B ? Thanks, Jim G. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 18:38:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090408013727.0A445187665@autox.team.net> Here's the deck height discussion from 2005 - Tony: In a message dated 12/13/2005 11:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: With stock rods and hepolite pistons and a steel head gasket (.020" thick), the pistons will just "kiss" the head at 6500 rpm when the deck clearance is .006" below the top of the liner. This is with a stock crank. So that means there is .026" total elongation in crank flex, rod and main bearing clearance, rod "stretch, pin flex and piston growth from the heat of combustion. That's exactly what I have found with a stock shaft. With a steel crank I run a thou or two in the hole with a .020 gasket, no carbon buildup on the piston tops below the squish area.. Glen. At 09:29 AM 4/7/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings, > >I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the >block. > >The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. > >I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner > >and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the >intake valve area's, > >I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top >ring at TDC. > >As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve >flow from the intake valve and > >clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm >wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. > >Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner >should be B ? > >Thanks, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 18:45:10 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem Message-ID: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:00:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: do you have any sign of water in the oil? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at > 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at > the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, > run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was > down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water > temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression > test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine > when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next > step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not > the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 7 20:00:24 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c9b7ed$c83bbc60$58b33520$@com> Do you run foam air cleaners? We had one fail in that it acted as a choke, sucking foam into the face of the carb when running high rpm and pull away (back to normal) at lower rpm. Similar running description you had. The rattle is disturbing, sounds like a bearing on #3 Where did the water go? Any signs? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Apr 7 22:43:29 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Message-ID: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 22:32:45 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues References: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <00cf01c9b803$10d7a370$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Sounds like the coil is energized whenever the switch is closed, even when the ignition is not on. Why not wire it through an ignition switch? If you race it, why not wire it through a low oil pressure cut out switch? May save the engine in case of oil failure. Also, do you use a resistor in line with the coil? You may be running too much current through the coil. An old rule of thumb that I heard: whatever the ground is, say neg, that's the post of the coil that goes to the dist. Lot of good coils out there, Bosch, MSD, etc. The timing light thing is strange. Try powering it right off the battery; use long jumper wires if necessary. Sounds like you may have a wiring gremlin. Ground problem? Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues > I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the > battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is > closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive > side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my > Mallory dual point. > > I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the > top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. > > Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? > > I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a > part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national > chain would be appreciated. > > Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The > ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what > could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I > believe the wires are 8mm. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 21:23:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Engine Problem Message-ID: <20090408054008.59A9D18765F@autox.team.net> Msg too long. Snipped and resent. TD >Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:21:49 -0500 >To: "Gary Horstkorta" , >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Problem > >When doing a compression check, make sure you have the carbs opened >up. I had weird compression values, and after remembering to open >the butterflies got over 200 psi in each cylinder. > >If you ran it hot, you can easily stick a valve. In my case, that >happened between 200 and 220 degrees F. > >Mallories have weird condensers, Jack used to scrape off the outer >coating where it hit the bracket. The bracket that holds the >condenser has a couple of spikes that are supposed to pierce the >outer coating - not very reliable. Not sure why this would be >corner dependent, but could explain why changing out the dizzy would >fix the problem kinda. Rotors have been a problem too, another >thing that would have changed with the new dizzy. > >SU's (at least the HS-6) can take a surprisingly high fuel >pressure. Also, the brass floats don't seem to like racing gas and >can sink sometimes. With the HS-6's we needed to have the lids on >in a certain position or you get starvation in cornering. Left >handers were our biggest problem. We found that having the fuel >inlet at the front of the front carb and the back of the rear carb >(may have that backwards but I don't think so) was the optimal >setup. You don't have enough acceleration to screw up the rear >carb, and the problem caused by braking fixes itself by the time you >get on the gas hard. > >I wonder if the new dizzy install got the timing off causing the >higher water temp. Then you stuck a valve. > >No fixes, but food for thought. > >- Tony Drews > >At 07:45 PM 4/7/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >>Hello: >> >> >> >>OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. >>During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. >>Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while >>in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon >>Raceway, I encountered the following: >> >> From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 8 01:27:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:27:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <38A99BD1-A222-41A2-A140-D9D5AE12D8DB@bnj.com> I'd say the problem started off as a bad ground, either the condenser or somewhere else, and after you fiddles with stuff it became something else. On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback > on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range > while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at > Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating > at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high > at 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb > at the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. > Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel > level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the > engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right > hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way > up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely > start, run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; > replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with > stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, > no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car > was down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it > normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of > water temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing > obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by > hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a > compression test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; > #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the > engine when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - > one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car > mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. > Next step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a > similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and > not the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 8 02:23:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:23:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ignition problems are sometimes hidden and misleading to a fuel problem. >From this point I always start from ignition to fuel and then deeper to the engine. >From what I suppose is that your double ignition distributor did work well on one corner and failed at the opposite corner. You replaced the distributor and I could imagine that maybe the ignition advance wasn't set correctly and so the ignition was too late at high revs which caused overheating of the engine and a lack of power. I could also imagine a shrunk piston #3 with some piston slap now caused by overheating. I suppose the # 3 had the best compression and did overheat most and died first. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 02:45 An: Fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Engine Problem Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 09:07:12 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: When I built mine, I had a spare block drilled out. Unfortunately, I'm 2000 miles away from my shop for the next week or so. If you can get one of the steel retainers, you've got the size and the bolt pattern. You also need to get the depth and width of the spring slot in the diff so you can match it on the spacer. I can get these for you in a week or so if you can wait that long. In this same vein, has anyone ever done the math to figure out the relationship between the arch in the spring, the spacer size and camber? I'm good with what I've got, but the engineer in me is curious. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 21:33:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 8 20:30:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues now source of Crane Ignition anyone have a source? In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB86D253B7189A-C7C-1D0A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> I am looking for a CRANE breakerless ignition for my AMBRO. Thanks!? Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Apr 8 21:29:36 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Diff Bolt Locations Message-ID: <8CB86DA8A8DCC92-5E0-18AC@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Amici, Thanks to all that responded to my request.? Parts are made and one is off to a fellow GT6 owner. Thanks again, Bob T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 9 01:00:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:00:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: There are two types of ignition coils. Some can take full 12V and has an internal resistor of about 3 Ohm and the ones that need an external resistor and has an internal resistor of about 1,5 Ohm. For instance the blue Bosch coil can take full 12 V, the red Bosch coil which has more output needs a resistor which is given in the package. The good thing with Bosch coils - they work with all ignition systems. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 05:34 An: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 07:50:13 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question Message-ID: Hi, I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. Guidance, please? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 08:11:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question Message-ID: Hi, I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the key for the crank dampener. Any opinions are welcome. I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. Thanks! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 9 08:37:42 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:37:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090409143739.DHRN4586.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is > it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? IMO, yes. FWIW Bob, I had almost exactly the same problem on my street TR3A (although for a different reason). The crank nose was worn undersize, but there's no telling how long it had been loose, so you may be luckier in that department than I was. The replacement hub would work loose again, even properly clamped. So, I used Loctite RC609 "Circular parts mount" to mount the hub. It's advertised to fill gaps up to .010", and for use in "restoring fits". Worked for me, for perhaps 50,000 miles of street driving (until the car got wrecked). They say to remove it, heat to 250C. But the only time I've had it apart, I just used an ordinary balancer puller to force it off. Definitely took a lot of force, but came off without damaging anything. YMMV Might be worth a try. I'll let someone else comment on the utility of having the crank nose welded up and ground down. Randall From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Apr 9 08:56:57 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past purchasers with a replacement kit? I guess it would depend on how knackered your snout is. My dampener was still tight and the keyway was slightly enlarged. I would imagine if you got a key to fit in snuggly, it might be okay. Maybe this would be a good crank for a street motor that doesn't see as many rpm's. My problem is mine is a long ended early crank shaft and there aren't many replacements available for it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 09:21:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Charly Mitchel wrote: > This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the > 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank > hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with > his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past > purchasers with a replacement kit? The guy that I got the part from, Rick Patton, is a stand-up guy. He will replace the part with one cut a tad deeper if you ask him. I had him make me one that has the recess much deeper, .400 come sto mind, although I'd have to measure the part to be sure. He made the new one at no cost. He is aware that some cranks have a slightly longer snout owing to how the parts are manufactured, although I have no idea how he determined that. He did ask me things like "did you install shims behind the crank driven cam gear" and stuff. But if you look at the face of the eliminator and the face of the dampener, you can see some fretting where the parts touch. In my case, the motor has maybe 20 minutes of time between installation and when I figured out the parts has loosened up. For the end of the season, I put the stock fan extension on and that stayed tight for two events (probably 20 - 25 minutes of run time.) All I need now is another dampener to see if everything is tight. :-) I've got 4 in the garage, but two of them are totally unsuitable for a race motor (really nasty rubber elastomer!!). I suppose I should try them for fitment on the key and then go from there. Honestly, I hadn't thought of that! Yikes. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:37:10 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other > reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And > $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in > Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / > injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the > motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only > hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic > damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the > noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation > and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough > for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the > radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the > slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that > I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no > brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that > installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying > not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 9 10:27:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:27:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you have to lose trying it? I might not put an expensive dampener on it perhaps, just a decent one, but it's likely that your crank is fine. On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for > no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, > maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an > awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to > the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock > internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where > the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you > could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that > the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be > the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper > rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my > installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator > was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock > damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the > crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got > egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the > crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform > dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley > to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of > picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm > weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to > Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a > given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a > no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more > and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best > solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on > the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 9 10:36:54 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 9 18:24:18 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob- It is unlikely that you created an "out of round" condition on the crank given the relatively short time frame it ran until discovered. I would think that as long as the woodruff key slot in the crank was not damaged too badly, that you should be fine using a different balancer. If there is some excessive tolerance on the woodruff key fit, then you may need to shim the woodruff key or make a date with your machine shop. If you have a dial indicator, that should verify and out of round condition, it could also help in verifying the radial slop in the woodruff key as well. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 10 14:51:22 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:51:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c9ba1e$1e5a9d50$5b0fd7f0$@com> I'm not sure if fitting a harmonic damper is a good thing to do if the damper isn't specially designed for the specific engine. Just fitting something that can be installed on the front end of the crank might make it worse than better. Too dangerous for me. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 18:37 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Apr 10 17:33:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <004701c9ba34$cf75a830$6e60f890$@com> Here's an interesting link explaining what a harmonic damper is all about. Complicated. The whole link will probably not survive intact, so copy-paste it to your browser. http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technial-info/the-dangers-of-power-pulleys-and- understanding-the-harmonic-damper Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Apr 10 18:37:16 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street Message-ID: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a VTR regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd be nice in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 10 18:42:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:42:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street In-Reply-To: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> References: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Message-ID: that would be an expensive way to get around. They would likely last a few thousand miles and wouldn't give much grip after they hardened up. On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:37 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a > VTR > regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd > be nice > in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Apr 11 07:37:41 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing Message-ID: What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 11 08:09:48 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:09:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390904110709g6dfce40aiaa56cb1268fc244b@mail.gmail.com> The round ones ;) heheh I'm waiting too see if VARAC add the R888's (RA1 replacements) to their list. A. 2009/4/11 Brad Kahler : > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 10:33:52 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <073108E09FCC4AAB9E32FA6DBF159923@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In this same vein, anyone have experience with the Hoosier R6 tire on a Spitfire. I'm wondering how they might compare with the Yokohama A32's that I can no longer get. Thanks in advance. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 11:02:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing References: Message-ID: I use the dunlops that are the spec front tire for the vintage formula ford...they are very legal because they are an actual vintage racing tire Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun Apr 12 07:34:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98766789234@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> These guys are great: http://www.bii1.com/benders/rotary-draw-benders.php http://www.vansantent.com/tube_bending_machines.htm you don't need to get a mandrel bender that is more for exhausts. I replaced the cage in my GT6 with a hand powered tube bender with a good ratchet mechanism. It was accurate, inexpensive, good exercise and fun. Thus meeting most of the FOT requirements. Sorry to get in on this late Bill B GT6 (soon) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:26 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 16:46:19 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:46:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fun weekend at VIR! Message-ID: <59723A53-CE71-4465-B87B-7579332BAE77@141.com> It was great to get out to VIR - it had been way too long! Henry, Tony, Leo, Dennis, Dean, Bob W., George W., Captain Rob, Mark Craig (with a '72 Spit and soon to be nominated to the FOT) and I all had cars there, and Ernie and.the Marshalls (and Brad, of course) were there for support. If I missed anyone, I apologize! Poor Henry's engine only made it one lap, Rob's car developed a bad knock, Dean's car didn't make it much longer than Henry's, and my oil pressure got low and stayed there, so we went on the trailer before something catastrophic happened. When we left at lunchtime today, everyone else was doing well and looking forward to the last races. I'll let everyone fill In their own details... Brad and I got to shake the hand of the retired vice admiral of the Atantic fleet, Hank Giffin, who is a board member of VDCA and races a Morgan, and helped him work on his trailer lights. He is a very nice man, and showed some interest in possibly getting into a Spitfire instead of the Morgan. I did get two full days of racing and Henry was able to at least get one session in in Tristan, so I wasn't disappointed in the weekend at all, and I also get a billet bottom end out of this, since we can now use the Moldex crank we got last year, yay! I had hoped Henry and I could share the enduro, but oh well. There's always next time! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 17:50:31 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Forgot the awards! Message-ID: <21098FA9-CC02-4F11-8DF8-C98F6924E8A4@141.com> Forgot to say earlier that Bob W. won the Wild Hare pursuit race and George W. won the Magruder(?) award!! Congrats, guys!!! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Apr 13 08:49:37 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:49:37 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street TR3 Message-ID: <20090413.104937.24360.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, my son seems to have caught the bug from me and wants a TR3 to drive on the street. Anyone know of a "driver" that is available? Being that he is 18 he certainly does not need nor can afford a "show" car. I am in Connecticut, so a car in the Northeast would save some $$$ with transportation, but cars further away would not be out of the question. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to become certified as a project management professional. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxZ9l1qK46MzFQvNkKz3hZ972 gS5MfnotHDrUGWKzDl8sExKrIprva/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 13 11:12:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:12:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database References: Message-ID: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Apr 13 11:39:12 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve You forgot my favorites. http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr7 http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr8 Neat site...Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: April 13, 2009 1:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 13 15:42:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> References: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I had no idea that TRs were so popular with the French. Terry Stetler. From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 13 19:32:49 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Wild Hare at VIR Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E306@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> We had fun at VIR as usual, the boys (and Susan!) came out to populate the Ghetto. We had way too much attrition, both Dean Tetterton and I didn't survive the first session. Many thanks to Susan and Brad, they insisted I take a session in her Spitfire and offered to share the enduro. I had a hoot in the Spit on Friday afternoon, but she came in Saturday afternoon with failing oil pressure, so on the trailer it went. The Wild Hare Pursuit Race had a Triumph powered winner! Bob Wismer started from the pole and ran a strong race. It was the closest finish in Wild Hare history, but in the end Bob and the Thunderbolt was declared the winner. Congrats Bob! Leo offered up the latest installment of the Martha McDougal award at the Saturday dinner, the deserving winner was George Wright. Look for a post soon with the whole story. Then we lost Capt'n Rob, his TR4 came in on Sunday warm-ups with a rod knock. The group 1 and 4 feature only had Mark Craig in a squaretail Spit. Mark ran strong. Then in the group 3,6 and 8 feature we only had George Wright, Tony Drews and Dennis DeLap in their TR4's, Leo Oddi in his TR250 and Bob Wismer in the Thunderbolt. George ran very well, got first in class and had a great run with a pair of BMW 2002's. Tony ran great at a track he only ran once before. Leo continues to run fast, and finished well. Dennis DeLap was having fun with a MGB-GT all weekend, and did so in the feature as well. Bob Wismer had a good run going until the Thunderbolt succumbed to yet another sunken carb float. It went two laps short of a perfect weekend, so Bob had no complaints at all. This event continues to be a real treat, tons of track time, low key, great people and a great time. Give it a try, you will come back for sure. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 13 21:41:52 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wild Hare @ VIR - another version Message-ID: <20090414051241.2E80818766C@autox.team.net> Just got back home from the Wild Hare run at VIR. Long tow, worth every minute of it. We had great weather, LOTS of track time, a lot of nice people to play with both on and off the track. The Triumph Ghetto was awesome - the Friday Night Fish Fry with Captain Rob bringing the seafood was excellent, even if it did get a little precipitation. Saturday dinner was great, came back to a campfire and bench racing. I had great fun dicing with Leo in his TR-250 and a yellow MGB that was quick when it ran. We had several practice / qualifying sessions on Friday and Saturday - I was 2 to 4 seconds off of George Wright's times which is about as good as I can hope for there. In the final race, I was within a second of him in time, but I think he was being held up. VIR is an awesome track - the esses are about as much fun as you can have. Wide open IF you've got good handling and the cohones to really do it. I gained on almost everyone at the end of the esses. While there's not much passing in the esses, there are a couple of nice long straights that offer good passing opportunities. With its country club environment, and nice 60 / 70 degree highs, blue skies etc. it couldn't have been nicer. Susan and Henry have described the Triumph attendees pretty well - I really enjoyed my time with all of them. We had a pursuit race to end Friday (Handicap race with the "slowest" cars at the front), a feature race to end Saturday and an enduro on Sunday (I skipped that one), and a feature race on Sunday to end the weekend. I had the best dices in the Saturday feature race, but didn't have the camera in the car. Plenty of happy drivers after both of those. In the Sunday race, I got held up by a couple of V-8 cars - a Mustang stopped my exit speed from Oak Tree and gave Leo clear sailing by me, and a badly smoking GTO / Tempest slowed my exit from the esses on the next lap. He did us the favor of taking 3/4 of a lap while having an obvious oiling problem - leaving quite a trail near the end of the run. He may have left some oil in the final turn of the esses which is the fastest corner on the track. While trying to make up time to catch back up to Leo and the MGB I got sideways somewhere over 100 in that corner and narrowly averted disaster. I rejoined without having lost much track position, luckily. George's description of smiting his car in that same area was circulating in my head as I regained control and got pointed away from the tire wall. Chris Marx, I have VIDEO of this - it will be coming soon. :) I did end up catching and passing the MGB - I used the oil slicks against him. I figured out pretty quickly what to avoid and where I could go hammer down. Caught him coming to the one lap to go mark. Another lap or two and I could have joined the fight with Leo and Tivvy in a very well driven Jag XK-140. I was sad to see the mechanical failures of especially the Triumph crowd. Hopefully everyone will make speedy repairs and rejoin the fray. Great friends, great track, great weather, great racing, life is good. - Tony Drews From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 23:29:22 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] "1" piston needed Message-ID: <683666840.1143381239686962840.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I need one JE piston, 87 mm bore, flat top to replace one that developed piston slap. The pistons were ordered thru BFE about three years ago. Inversely, I may have three for sale if I cannot locate a replacement. Make offer! Also, looking for a black or redB tonneau cover for a TR4 or the cover for a 64 TR4 that covers the top bows in the down position. If you have either item available, please contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net B Thanks! John James, #116 From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 00:39:59 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:39:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Need 4 in internal mount tach Message-ID: OK, my latest quest is for a 4 in internal dash mount tach with at least 10K and prefer tattle tail and or shift light. Black face would be great. Recommendations?? Thanks, Gary Fuqua **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) From KENMUN at aol.com Tue Apr 14 13:36:44 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating Message-ID: during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast after a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the #4 plug was wet. i've removed the head and don't see any obvious cause. the head has .100" removed, 87mm bore and i use a steel gasket with soft copper sealing wire on both sides. that seems intact. also, can you reuse the steel gasket? anyone have any ideas? thanks, ken m. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 13:43:00 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast after > a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > #4 plug was wet. When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. HTH, Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 13:49:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast >> after >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > HTH, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Apr 14 14:27:20 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:27:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 14:36:05 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:36:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8B57C3E4F426-ADC-7D6@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> I agree, especially the checking the liner height part. This is very critical, especially with the steel gasket. Also check for clearance on top of the water pump housing under the head. If it's hitting, the head won't clamp down good. It shouldn't be necessary to add wire in order to get a good seal, something is wrong.. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: budscars at comcast.net; emanteno at gmail.com; kenmun at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Apr 14 15:55:08 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Classic Car Club Message-ID: <20090414225501.B0265187656@autox.team.net> I'll bring my notebook and projector to the DCTRA meeting tonight and if we want to (and have time) I can play the TR4 segment from the recent episode of Classic Car Club on HD Theater. The clip is just under 5 min. long. For those DCTRA members that want to see the clip and won't be able to attend the Club meeting this evening I have converted the clip to Flash and put it on the Club's website. It's at the top of the videos on the Gallery page. FYI, the icon on the player between the time clock and the volume control will let you toggle the video from the small embedded window to full screen. http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=22 Also, Remember if you would like to have the site reflect your own car I am happy to make a custom theme based on your car. To see site using a theme based on other DCTRA members cars use the "Theme Switcher" on the top left hand menu. Once you select a theme the site will always appear to you using that selected theme. The "Default" theme is Jim Bauder's TR250. If you want your own theme just send along a nice photo of your car. Make sure to give me a bit of a wide shot so that I can position your car within the header image. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 14 17:00:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New member request Message-ID: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Hi everyone, We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, whatever, as an intro to everyone. Have a great day! Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 17:08:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <21D1EC2EE8C34005AF1617B5DB1FC2F4@Bud> I second..! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: [Fot] New member request > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. > (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > > Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the > list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting > emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little > about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, > whatever, as an intro to everyone. > > Have a great day! > > Susan :) > > -- > No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 19:14:23 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member request In-Reply-To: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He > also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. ;-) Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 19:44:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9659455AB5D74943A1199748A1FB7D83@Bud> I second the nomination! Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member request > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the >> FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. >> (He >> also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) >> >> I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his >> email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? >> > > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. > > ;-) > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 20:33:20 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating Message-ID: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 14 21:55:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run Message-ID: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. - Tony From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 09:11:07 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run In-Reply-To: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> References: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860904150811p15e90ec5x657ae0fd7342e36d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Tony, If you convert the video to mpeg4 (using h264) as the compression, it will end up looking pretty good on google or youtube. WMV to youtube or google does not work very well. If you want, I can convert the video for you. Let me know offline, and you can ftp it to me, and I will convert it and post it on my ftp site. -Mark On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 > > Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it > from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video > but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks > nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 15 06:30:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car Message-ID: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 15 19:13:26 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front seal Message-ID: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when I hope to replace it. Can anyone help? Thanks, Greg From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 19:07:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] front seal References: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <73251220B31B4CB489D0FC17029FB86B@Bud> Hi greg..for..what triumph? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] front seal >I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used > with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is > the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have > a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when > I hope to replace it. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 16 00:33:59 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare Message-ID: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 16 00:47:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:47:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car In-Reply-To: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> References: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Started sweating blood when you've left the track......great video and noise! Critics: Shorten the intro and show more tracktime ;-) 1.00 min into length is quite a lot with only one name on the credits ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 14:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 16 06:42:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:42:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare In-Reply-To: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony Thanks for sharing. Nice photos and video. It would be great to have someone post similar from each event throughout the year, for all who can't make the race. Sure hope someone is going to the Mitty... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: April 16, 2009 2:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 08:40:22 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 16 10:22:30 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Head mechanic- Couple things to think about... Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. Often off my rocker myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi,? ? ? So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? ? But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? ? So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? ? Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? ? Regards,? rml? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 16 10:43:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah. Been through this. I ended up shimming the rocker pedestals and shortening the pushrods. Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, wrote: > Head mechanic- > > Couple things to think about... > Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! > Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. > > Often off my rocker myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > To: Tim Hutchisen > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > > > Hi,? > ? > ? > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? > ? > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? > ? > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? > ? > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? > ? > Regards,? > rml? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? > ? > http://www.fot-racing.com? > ? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? > ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 10:53:12 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:53:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 10:54:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the advice. The pushrods should be all set, they are .120 shorter than stock. The former head was about .025 thicker - not a huge change. I'm 100% certain that the studs were bottomed in the holes less about 1/4 turn and the nuts are not bottoming on the unthreaded portion of the studs. I did check that. I'm a tad leery about trimming the existing studs, but I only gotta take off maybe one complete thread. I've done that plenty of times with trailing arm studs. Thanks again... Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 11:00:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:04:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <5CAFCDE94BF749678A8A60F5F8E50609@jdnet.deere.com> -- Randall > well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, Don't know if they have them in your area, Bob, but around here the "99 Cent" store chain usually has "reading" glasses for $.99. I bought an assortment of them in various strengths, and keep them scattered all over the place so I can grab a pair any time my eyes need a little help. Of course I've needed since I was 12, so it's not as big a blow to my ego to need a little help Randall From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:50:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos Message-ID: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. Thanks, M From KENMUN at aol.com Thu Apr 16 12:53:37 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:53:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: fot, thanks for all the responses. now i have a head id question for tr3/4. i've got 4 heads; 3 have 1 5/8" intakes and have the following cast into the top of the head; "a", "h29": "m"," p79 ": "m", "p286". the 4th has 1 1/2" intakes and cast "a", "302137" and a stamped "11395". anyone what the difference might be? thanks, ken m. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 16 13:03:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos In-Reply-To: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> References: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C92B19B-E264-4D31-890B-703AC88ACDF9@gt6.ca> Duct tape. A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 16-Apr-09, at 13:50, Mark Eginton wrote: > I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape > recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. > > Thanks, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Apr 16 16:45:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:45:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <19D6C8FE8286462CB09738C71E4C095E@GEOFFPC> Robert I have recently fitted a Goodparts ATI damper to my TR6 race car and found I had to reposition the motor back to clear the steering rack due to the damper sticking out from the block further than the standard . The motor revs very smoothly to 7500 with the damper. Over Easter I pulled 7300 down conrod straight at mount panarama. Strongly recommend full circle crank thrust washer if you are doing serious racing. Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Tim Hutchisen" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read > micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the > crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability > of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly > out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of > thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When > the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the > shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I > needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on > the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in > place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" > think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion > chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the > rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference > in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to > determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I > should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% > sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can > convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:32:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, Richard does make the best stuff so the damper fitment is no surprise. The arp studs are longer but have longer threads on the top end which allows for a thinner head. ARP lengh is 4.843 stock is 4.75. I run a lot thinner head 16.38/1 compression. The heads are at a machine shop so I can't measure them now. I do have to shave a little off of the top of the number 1 and number 12 stud because of clearance issues with Richards roller rocker pedestals. Change the studs out one at a time and you won't have to change the head gasket. Also pay close attention to ARP's torque specs, and check often. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:40 AM To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:38:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, It could be you have broken rings from detonation. I ran stock pistons with 14.5/1 with no broken piston ring problems until I put in a 110 main jet when I should have put in 120. I did get new (stronger) glasses to solve the jet problem.:-) Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:01 PM To: robert bownes Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 17:57:44 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <1A6C83246D5848BCB422E523C52DF37C@ComputerPC> Forget their moly lube! Use engine oil and torque them to the standard manual setting. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? > Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should > be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part > # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware > installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to > read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot > of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) > and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within > the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- > float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given > (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. > When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went > around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake > hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally > bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no > effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant > installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is > 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the > combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for > 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with > the rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the > difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm > trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of > those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or > clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone > can convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 19:25:09 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question Message-ID: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 16 19:32:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:32:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: busted ammeter is a pretty good guess. disconnect it and see what it does. On Apr 16, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or > so, I > noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge > remained > in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter > operated > normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work > on the > car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so > does anyone > have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 20:10:12 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Apr 16 20:58:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:58:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question (now studs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B82BF27-AF33-4800-B4DD-38FE1291B794@mac.com> Another option, now that you know overall length, is to call ARP's specialty department, (Ask for Jay Coombs), 805-525-1497. Tell him the specifics on OAL, thread and pitch, and he can look up if they have a specific part that matches your need. Sometimes someone else does a custom run of a specific stud close to, or exactly, your needs, and they have over-run units. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Mike Munson wrote: ARP leng th is 4.843 stock is 4.75. -----Original Message----- So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Apr 16 21:24:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:24:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: /fKCm53: Permission denied From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Apr 17 00:02:29 2009 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:02:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Wheel Options Message-ID: I9m sure this has been covered before, but rules have changed here in Australia so now I9m interested. We are now allowed to use 15 inch alloy wheels up to 5.5 inches wide (and the new Hoosier Speedster tyres). So I9m now looking for the most sensible choice of wheel. I know that Panasports are popular and I understand they make one in that size called the FS 1555. There also appears to be a Panasport agent here. But interested in your thoughts and possible alternatives. Wes Dayton (Sydney - TR3A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:08:13 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:08:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: List: AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is hangared. Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. Joe Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Fri Apr 17 09:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:44:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:44:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Same kind of place you find 500 miles of Open Road at Elkhart Lake. :-) > Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? > > Joe C. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 17 09:50:49 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:50:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:10:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9bf77$17d26e50$47774af0$@net> BIG BATHTUB or long one Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:51 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuy& src=platforma&adid=aolfooter&newurl=reg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 10:30:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:30:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Bill D Asked and Answered!.....you turn left or right...as long as there is water under you. BTW, Lee Buchanan is quite fit. He ran the 300 miles without a 'relief' driver. He couldnt get anyone to travel to Phoenix with him as relief driver. If I had known, I fear I might have volunteered...everyone should be fearful about that. Joe A > Joe... > > You drinking? > > Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? > > Bill (Damdinger) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Apr 17 11:04:29 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> References: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Message-ID: 600 laps around Firebird? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitlist at cox.net Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 11:47:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54629E238B3448B785F234434E44D99A@jdnet.deere.com> > busted ammeter is a pretty good guess I agree. Just wanted to add that with it disconnected, unless you jumper the wires together somehow, nothing else will work. -- Randall From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 13:42:36 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Anyone have a working Lucas Ammeter they'd like to sell? I need one for a 1969 TR6. The current dial face has white letters on black background and the needle pivots from the top between a C+ on the left and D- on the right of the gauge. Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement gauge. Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 14:52:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter In-Reply-To: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement > gauge. If appearance is not critical, any standard 2" (or sometimes called 2-1/16") gauge will fit and work. Not sure how likely your FLAPS is to carry them, but the on-line stores seem to still have them. For example http://tinyurl.com/cspkk4 I'd offer you an old TR3 Lucas ammeter, but I doubt they look the same as your TR6. -- Randall From BLD4139 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 17:12:00 2009 From: BLD4139 at aol.com (BLD4139 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 21:20:28 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <004701c9c09d$ca0fee90$5e2fcbb0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Thanks to all who responded to my request for a replacement ammeter for my TR6. As usual, FOT has come through and I have a gauge on the way. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 19 05:32:48 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Message-ID: <456511.13037.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a Hoosier Speedster 205x15 that they could sell me? I chunked one at VIR last weekend. Thanks Dennis From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 08:39:46 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! ( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... 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( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 19 09:35:32 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090419113532.FEEEV.776818.imail@eastrmwml36> A similar thing happened to me as I was returning from the VTR in Dallas a couple of years ago. I was towing my double deck trailer with two Spits on it and the Texas DPS trooper thought I was hauling them commercially. I quick look at all the stuff I had in my tow rig convinced him otherwise. Joe C. ---- norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. > > > > BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! > > > > Jim Norlin From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 10:30:02 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Message-ID: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Apr 19 10:38:06 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49EB536E.7020504@bright.net> Jim, tail housing breakage can be caused by misalignment of front and rear mountings. Example, if the front motor mounts are bolted firmly into place and the trans mount doesn't want to "lineup" it's pretty easy to force the gearbox one direction or another to attach the mounts. We always found it best to set engine and gearbox in place with mount bolts loose. Shake the engine around a bit and let is settle where is wants. Then tighten the mounts. Also, using a GT6 rear "over the tail housing strap" will help. Ted norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 > gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I > remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm > pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced > when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you > recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or > add an intermediate mount or?? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 19 11:21:07 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 12:24:31 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <268693164.3338151240165471219.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Drive shaft balance and alignment are the two reasons I've seen for the tailshaft housing to crack.B I've had this issue too. Also check your mounting mechanism.B If you run solid mounts for the front engine mounts ensure you use a solid mount for the rear engine mount.B I solid mount the diff, gearbox and engine and after I switched from the poly mounts on the rear/gearbox mount to a solid mount I haven't cracked a tailshaft housing in 4 years. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: norlinengineering at comcast.net, Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:21:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Gearbox woes Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B B This happened last year as well.B B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 17:29:03 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name Message-ID: Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 17:45:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mosport? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of rob Sent: April 19, 2009 7:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] track name Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 19 18:21:31 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Early Saloon gearbox parts Message-ID: Amici, I just tore down an old saloon style box numbered 14G54 just to get a thrust washer. What a strange beast. It has a dipstick hole in the shifter top. Long loose needle bearings in the layshaft and linkage on the side. Reverse gear has TWO sets of gears? I don't kbnow what it is but if there are any old TR types looking for these bits they are available gratis. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 19 18:28:22 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:28:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Message-ID: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 48246 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Apr 19 18:46:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: 828-692-5665 or 828-489-2933 Nice guy. He helped me out one time when a friend was in need of parts for his TR4. He met us at his shop on a Saturday night when he was supposed to be at a party. While at his shop some people showed up with beer and a party ensued there among a GT6 racecar project and several supercharged spits and TRs. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:28 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:50:48 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205048.23949.3@webmail05.dca.untd.com> My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:56:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:56:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205639.23949.4@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Well that link did not work, so how about this one? Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Apr 19 19:04:19 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Apr 19 20:35:10 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:35:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Gearbox woesGT6 Message-ID: When our late GT6+ had the output shaft fail in the spline area for the propshaft flange, I discovered that the GT6 MK3 shaft and tail hsg were stronger, and I believe that the rear Brg is larger. Good luck finding these pieces. I do have the MK3 parts books. Hardy In a message dated 4/19/2009 10:01:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) From: norlinengineering at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From gp89 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 03:39:28 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 2:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090420053928.B8GB3.1172778.root@mp05> I had a friend with a laith make up a puller like the one A.P.T. shoes on their web site. It's real simple, two pieces machined to fit the inside of the bearing with a shoulder to push the edge through the block on a threaded rod. If those bearings look ok I would leave them. They only have a couple of races on them. Jeff ---- Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 11:55:46 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <49ECB722.4060008@charter.net> Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Joe I've installed many but always used the required tools. Lisle makes a good one. Do you have any contacts at a local community college or high school auto shop. I'm sure they have one gathering dust. If you were local to Ann Arbor, Michigan I have access to the tool. Glenn 72 Spit Racer From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 13:32:00 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:32:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <48675462E9A34AEABF2ACFD72DC718B6@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Joe I agree with using the proper tool for the job. I would not run without the bearings. As far as cam choice goes, I'd think that the A7 would be good for autocross. I've not run one, but I have used the A6 and am currently using the A8. Neither the A6 or A8 are much good below 4500 rpm. The A6 taps out around 6500 while the A8 will go quite a bit higher. The A6 cam is streetable, but just barely. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Apr 20 13:46:37 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DOT: Any truck that you see with a DOT number has gone though the following; All drivers are on a drug testing program, Driver history has been checked for the last 3-5 years, A min. of 1 Million dollar lib. Insur. policy, annual inspections on truck and trailer(s), permits for each state you travel(based of weight) and in some states a Motor carrier permit is required if transporting autos and the list goes on............ and the best part !!! The feds change the law every 90 days. happy motoring Tony Garmey > From: BLD4139 at aol.com > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 -0400 > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT > > Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the > trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection > for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with > that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to > get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are > wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT > inspections?....Thanks... > > Mike DiCola > VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 20 14:05:14 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:05:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, horizonracing at msn.com writes: > and the best part !!! The > feds change the law every 90 days. > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you pay for. What if they were efficient? Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) From bownes at seiri.com Mon Apr 20 14:28:09 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was a while back, but the MoHud Region of SCCA had a NYS trooper in to give us a presentation on this and similar subjects a few years ago. He was very forthright in his descriptions, and said 'Essentially if you are transporting something and are getting paid to transport it by a third party (more than just gas money) you are a commercial carrier and should go through all the associated legalities." He further went on to say that hauling a race car to/from the track where it is leased or rented out would also not count as commercial.' He further went on to say that, however, if you are hauling fuel and the like (compressed gasses etc) in your trailer, you are 'in general', because you are not commercial, you are not required to have permits, special license endorsements or placards. But that the NYSP and the fire departments sure would look on a placard as helpful. It was a great presentation in which he pretty much summed up how to relate to being pulled over as 'if what you are doing is legal, (unsaid was "or mostly so"), you're polite and not a jerk, you'll be all set. Cops generally don't give you a hard time if you don't deserve it.' And if they do give you a hard time, go see the judge. They know which guys are jerks and love to smack them down. iii On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, > horizonracing at msn.com writes: > > >> and the best part !!! The >> feds change the law every 90 days. >> > > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you > pay for. What if they were efficient? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 20 21:37:42 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701c9c232$871937e0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Just a note to say "thank you" to all the FOT members who wrote with advice - too many to mention by name! Lots of good advice was given, and offers of help were extended. All was appreciated. This advice from Mr. Kastner was all I needed to hear - as it said it all. "No matter what advice you get do not install a large bearing cam that is a race grind. The valve spring pressure required for the cam will tear up the block as the block will not withstand the revs and pressure with cast iron on cast iron. Have the machine shop install the bearings to fit to the race cam bearing diameter. Way way cheaper in the long run or even the short run :-) By the way, that is a very good cam and better than most even now." I'll be having a tool machined for me, or will have a machine shop install the cam bearings. I'll chalk up the cost and lost time as payment for the knowledge I've gained. One bit of knowledge that I'm sure everyone on the list has learned is to stop working when you are tired. I ruined a $45 set of tri-metal main bearings for my street Spit one weekend, and a cheap set of cam bearings on the race Spit on another weekend. Both mistakes would have been avoided if I wasn't rushing to get the jobs done and over tired from trying to shoehorn wrench time into my schedule. I knew better, but not having even ONE Spitfire for the "Airport Speed Run" I'm running for our local Brit car club this weekend has really hammered the lesson home. If I keep learning these lessons, someday I'm going to be REALLY smart. Of course, I'll have to live until I'm 200 years old... Joe G From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 08:47:23 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1703216926.563401240411578289.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had their Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for not complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed commercial driver showed up to take it away. There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered commercial. I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a toter on the Pennsylvania turnpike. The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and explorer to tow with aaron johnson #87 HP spitfire 1500 southern illinois region scca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jaboruch at netzero.net Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:56:39 PM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico City / Monterrey Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Well that link did not work, so how about this one? B Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. B If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. B See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. B Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 22 09:15:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very compromised vehicle. On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > their > Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona > for not > complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > commercial > driver showed up to take it away. > > > > There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the > requirements.B > Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > commercial. > > > > I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > toter on > the Pennsylvania turnpike. > > > > The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > explorer to > tow with > > > > aaron johnson From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 12:12:35 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty and Import Carlisle Message-ID: <49EF5E13.7060003@bright.net> Hello list. We have had some requests to bring specific parts to both the Walter Mitty vintage race at Road Atlanta and also to Import Carlisle. If you need parts brought to either event, please let me know as soon as you can. We are leaving for the Mitty on Wednesday, April 29. Will be in the vendor area on top of the hill. Apparel and parts both at the Mitty. We have a white, flip open side vendor trailer, with parts tables out front. For Import Carlisle -- will be in spaces E64 and 65. Will be there Thursday through Saturday with a canopy, no vendor trailer. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Apr 22 15:07:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that trailer." Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." And he went back to his car and drove off. We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >> their >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for >> not >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >> commercial >> driver showed up to take it away. >> >> >> >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >> commercial. >> >> >> >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >> toter on >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >> >> >> >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >> explorer to >> tow with >> >> >> >> aaron johnson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 17:37:50 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <49EFAA4E.10002@bright.net> Rocky and list. Interesting thread. We tow a lot and have for many years. The one thing we never do is put a name on tow vehicle or trailer. As soon as there is a name, the appearance screams "commercial". Then you get all the fun of scales, different plates, changes of insurance and more. Same thing goes for DOT #. For the small amount of fuel $$ savings in some states, the grief of filing reports, going over scales, having a log book, etc far exceeds any saving on fuel price. Ted Rocky Entriken wrote: > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS > you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you > out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that > image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious > Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required > to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on > that trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, > I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking > about." And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after > I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say > "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a > car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears > truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > >> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a >> bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and >> buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without >> special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I >> don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot >> airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. >> I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had >> one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very >> compromised vehicle. >> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >>> their >>> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona >>> for not >>> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >>> commercial >>> driver showed up to take it away. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the >>> requirements.B >>> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >>> commercial. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >>> toter on >>> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >>> >>> >>> >>> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >>> explorer to >>> tow with >>> >>> >>> >>> aaron johnson >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2075 - Release Date: 04/22/09 17:25:00 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 22 17:56:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <052a01c9c3a5$eaeeaba0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you > are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, > although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- > trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But > mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that > trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can > show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." > And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went > to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under > 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and > carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. > Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > > >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit > >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig > >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training > >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special > >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive > >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows > >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that > >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > > > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > >> their > >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for > >> not > >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > >> commercial > >> driver showed up to take it away. > >> > >> > >> > >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B > >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > >> commercial. > >> > >> > >> > >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > >> toter on > >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. > >> > >> > >> > >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > >> explorer to > >> tow with > >> > >> > >> > >> aaron johnson > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 21:19:26 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:19:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:16:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! ==AM== It used to be somewhat like that in New York, where only passenger cars were allowed on certain limited-access "Parkways" such as the Taconic State Parkway. Years ago, enterprising owners of sedan deliveries would cut the sides and put small windows in to qualify for regular passenger car registrations. In recent years, though, New York has allowed those "passenger" registrations on smaller pickups and vans if the owner so desires. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) From jibjib at att.net Wed Apr 22 22:49:57 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Guys, how about those "Not For Hire" stickers I see on some larger two vehicles? Jack From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 23 06:34:19 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 23 08:08:33 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <20090423140834444.KDGS23317@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps > and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water > out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no > water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is > baffled. Have you checked for exhaust gas in the radiator? If it's getting exhaust gas, then you know it's a leakage problem and can concentrate on that area. If not, then you know to look elsewhere, like the lower hose getting sucked closed; or plain old overheating of course. The tool to check for exhaust gas in the radiator is only about $75 new, I found a lightly used one on eBay for $25. Or any radiator shop should be able to do the test for you for about $15. (This one looks like the chemical is getting old, it's just an example of what I'm talking about) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310137095816 Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:02:47 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps leading up to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all large air bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the engine is running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the shaft. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:10:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:10:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <3671F34959C84368842D7B45F6342E01@Bud> Hi randall.....a couple of things that happened on my 1296 spitfire race car.....I was losing water from the FREEZE PLUG BEHIND THE WATER PUMP HOUSING(not a visible plug).....this would overheat the engine and then the overheating would fill the catch can..eventually I cooked the engine and cracked the head.. Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 23 10:17:50 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <96C61F50-6B8C-476C-A490-8BC1EF5A0D62@bnj.com> The first thing I always think of is a hose on the suction side collapsing. On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps > leading up > to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all > large air > bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the > engine is > running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the > shaft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > > > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills > the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket > issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. > Everyone > I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have > this > keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:28:41 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:28:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Apr 23 10:45:33 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:45:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <200904231045562.SM02948@[166.70.182.40]> I would think the radiator cap rating would have to depend on the radiator that Craig is running. If it is a Triumph radiator I don't think the radiator would last long using a cap rated for 20 lbs. Just a thought........ Brad -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com Sent 4/23/2009 6:28:41 AM To: Billb at bnj.com, norlinengineering at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:50:52 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: Does the temp go up pretty quick before this happens.?....yu may have a air pocket in the rear head ..very common unless you can fill from higher point or rad is higher than head...yu can use the plug hole at RR of top of head to bleed ,or an expansion tank(best) above the head level...yu need something higher than the head to keep this from happening ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 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(http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 23 11:21:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:21:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <49F0A37D.4070900@dfn.com> Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > If the engine isn't overheating until the loss of coolant is excessive, have done all the checks to rule out leaking exhaust gases pressurizing the system, etc., I would take a long, hard look at the water pump. I once had a similar problem, and it turned out that the seal was worn in such a way that it would not leak coolant, but, would suck outside air in. At first, it was very perplexing, but, once the pump was replaced, the problem disappeared. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 15:24:41 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:24:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 Message-ID: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 23 15:30:17 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:30:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire Message-ID: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It looks nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter and the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger side where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to look any further at it. I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for another restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email them if anyone is interested. Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. NFI. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. 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I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 24 04:42:46 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire References: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8DA08DC3BAF84976B05589EC48AA1FDA@userb38463fba5> What he meant by "Selling for a friend" is that if he sells it for that price the guy will be his friend for life! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire >I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. > Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It > looks > nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of > sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter > and > the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger > side > where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. > Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to > look > any further at it. > I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for > another > restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email > them > if anyone is interested. > Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: > $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior > VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing > errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep > checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised > please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or > longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. > NFI. Joe(B) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 24 09:47:19 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: In a message dated 04/23/2009 10:39:55 PM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you > run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the > modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold > NO pressure. > You're talking to one when you talk to me. Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 type radiator cap, which accommodates that deep neck. I worked for me, when I sheepishly discovered the issue half way through a racing season with my early TR3. We had been trying different pressure rated radiator caps in an effort to solve an over heating problem, and didn't realize we needed to be sure and use a deep cap. Bill Dentinger ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Apr 24 14:33:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:33:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers Message-ID: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 24 14:56:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01E4041E9EAB4980902B36243A098DD6@jdnet.deere.com> > Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 > type radiator cap, Although that will work, IMO a better solution is to have your local radiator shop put on a standard neck. Makes it much easier to try different pressures, and cost me less than $20. Plus personally I am fond of the "Lev-R-Vent" type caps that allow you to vent the system first without having to turn the cap. Less force involved means less likely to crack that long neck where it joins the radiator. Of course then you have to remember not to put a stock TR3 cap back on ... -- Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 24 16:00:24 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers Message-ID: <7FA5B8E0A4AF4EEB8B1BEDEB91EDAB5B@RobPC> Hello everyone Is there any advantage to pluging the tube that allows air to flow form one carb to the other on the webber manafold Pluging this hole would make each a true individual runner thanks rob From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 16:13:17 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 In-Reply-To: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> References: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5457602BDE68429C8927EBCBD1F8D513@bkolnzPC> Hey Scott, Yes,,, I am currently running the R888's @ 205 on my '72 FP Spitfire 1300. Ran the same set last year on my old '63 1147 MKI, unshaved and with an open diff. I was very happy with their performance, and by Sunday of the 3rd day at TWS pushed them pretty hard in an attempt to find the limit. That didn't happen because I'm still a newbie in this car. (came up in a E36 M3 that I personally prepared for light track duty and ran RA1's shaved, which I loved dry and wet)... Probably have right at 12 heat cycles in them with well over 5/32 tread left, but the '72 has a welded diff., and Ed Barnard, who is doing all the heavy wrenching on the car tells me that will change, and that I may get as little as two 3 day events out of them. I was the first in my run grupe to try the 888's but think there will be more this year. I just hope Toyo doesn't stop production of this size!!! First event for the #8 is CVAR's Spring event at Eagles Canyon Raceway just west of Denton, TX. Cmon down and play with us!! Great circuit..... Bill Collins #8 FP '72 Spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 16:24 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 > wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? > Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 24 19:50:48 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:50:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Hi all, Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? Anything else we should know? Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! Thanks, Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 25 08:54:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:54:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty In-Reply-To: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> References: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Message-ID: <49F32439.207@mindspring.com> Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all, > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > Anything else we should know? > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > Thanks, > Susan :) > Susan, I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. I hope to catch up with you there. Mike 404-316-1583 cell From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:12:13 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 25 15:37:29 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:37:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> Message-ID: My 4 forced water out on very long high speed straights where you go over 5500 rpm for about 30-40 sec. For this reason I now install a different water pump that is supplied by Moss and has 6 flaps with a nicer shape than the stock pump. I believe that this will cure the high speed problem. Maybe a similar problem with your engine? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2009 05:39 An: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold NO pressure. I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:56:32 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:56:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 25 16:45:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> References: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49F39275.2090103@bradakis.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. > Wow, I didn't know you had an overhead cam engine in your GT6 - cool! I'm surprised that the Dolly Sprint ones are different than TR7. Luckily the ones from the 7 are the same as several Lotus applications, so when it is time to adjust the valves on one of the local Lotus cars I can get the pucks at a wholesale Triumph price instead of Lotus retail! mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Apr 25 17:53:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sprint valve shims (pucks) In-Reply-To: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> References: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> Message-ID: The diameter of the pucks is .600, and they're about .170" thick....................Cheers Henry > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:18:03 +1000 > From: trrace at jeack.com.au > To: dos_gusanos at msn.com > Subject: Sprint valve shims (pucks) > > Hi Henry ,my name is Chris Swingler from Australia , I owned and raced > the Group 44 Tr7 for 22 years and have built many sprint engines and > some 2 valve engines,both engines use same shims (nominal 5/8 diameter) > It sounds like you may have non standard valve caps,What is the diameter > of your Pucks? > All the best > Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:08:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:08:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: The Group 44 cars will be gridded in a tent in the paddock. We run the rest of teh spectator activites out of a huge tent on top of the hill. Please make sure you look me up and plan on attending our 25th Anniiversary party in that tent on Saturday night... live band, free beer etc. Should be a fun weekend and the forecast looks good so far. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 4/25/09 9:56:26 AM, fasttrs at mindspring.com writes: > Susan Kahler wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > > Anything else we should know? > > > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > > > Thanks, > > Susan :) > > > Susan, > > I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. > Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared > to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to > the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the > bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of > Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is > also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to > turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. > Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. > I hope to catch up with you there. > > Mike > 404-316-1583 cell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Apr 25 20:48:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:48:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: I asked the people here for you...watch for the answer. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: April 25, 2009 5:12 PM To: dos_gusanos at msn.comdos_gusanos@msn.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Apr 25 21:37:27 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:37:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Apr 25 23:23:10 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:23:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race car - $13500 (San Diego/Carlsbad) Message-ID: <49F3EFBE.9060107@greenheart.com> Just saw this on craigslist.... passing it on. --Justin http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1139331562.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 04:03:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that webers could be used in rally work. if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson does. i know that it is referred to in some books. joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Vucinic To: FOT Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Apr 26 07:51:34 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers References: Message-ID: Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:10:25 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260810w7c30c7abv4a21f08a159b23fd@mail.gmail.com> Dear Listers: Kas was kind enough to supply me with copies of the original FIA homologation papers which show Webers as an option and alternate piston sizes. I have bound copies for some of the So Cal guys but can supply copies (I do not know how to attach them to these posts) to anyone that sends me an email address. John Nikas On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:39:56 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260839p3a627850p39f14cd19be9b6c1@mail.gmail.com> Here they are: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:03 AM, wrote: > as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that > webers could be used in rally work. > > if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson > does. > > i know that it is referred to in some books. > > joe a? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > To: FOT > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > > > > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TR4 Homologation133 .pdf] From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 09:42:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:42:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: ah yes...the Graham Robson years...I stand corrected. From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 15:23:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris Message-ID: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! Racer Bud Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris check this video out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowsjag at aol.com To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: 275 GTB / Paris I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth another listen....and look Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way streets. Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:02:03 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:02:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Thats exactly what I was looking for! The 1963 papers show the 45DCOE Weber's. That fixes my problem for sure! Thanks very much for your kind assistance. Much appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 7:29 AM To: 'Peter Vucinic' Subject: AW: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Maybe helpful. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. April 2009 05:37 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:04:23 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:04:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, Thanks for that. Appreciate your help Cheers... -----Original Message----- From: TR4Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:52 PM To: Peter Vucinic; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 20:39:51 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris In-Reply-To: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> References: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> Message-ID: <49F51AF7.5050407@verizon.net> Ah yes /Rendevous, /a wonderful film. But, as with most things in film, the truth is not what it seems. The car used was actually Claude Lelouch's personal Mercedes 450 6.9, and he was the driver, not some F1 ace as has been rumored. The Mercedes is a pretty quick car in it's own right and the camera hung off the front end inches from the ground multiplies the speed effect. The sound is overdubbed and if you watch closely, the sound track doesn't match the action. Additionally, some intrepid soul mapped the route from the film and then was able to calculate the actual speeds traveled. While they were over the speed limit, they were not astronomical. Even so, it's still a very cool little film. Cheers, Kurt O. (Who once took a taxi ride from the airport to a hotel in Paris that felt a lot faster than that!) RACER BUD wrote: > CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! > Racer Bud > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM > Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris > > > check this video out! > Racer bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowsjag at aol.com > To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; > lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; > pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; > stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; > wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: 275 GTB / Paris > > > I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth > another listen....and look > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > > > >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch > mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and > had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed > through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for > technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, > through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. > > No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. > > The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 > MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, > dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I > think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way > streets. > > Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. > He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went > underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go > full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single > beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try > to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12250 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 21:14:19 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net spring cleaning Message-ID: <20090427031419.F06C72E090@bradakis.com> Kind of a cool and rainy Easter here in Salt Lake, no garage work but spending some time with the computers. I'm shuffling some stuff around, updating some software and so on, will be working at it for a while. So if you experience an hour or two of no connection with Team.Net don't worry about it too much, it is just me working on stuff. For those who are not aware, this list and all the others [ see http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo ] are run by some grumpy old curmudgeon using a rag-tag batch of hardware set up in my basement office. I didn't run an official spring fund drive this year which helps to defray my out of pocket expenses to keep it all going, but if you have a dollar or two available to support the whole thing, see http://www.team.net/donate.html Thanks, mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 27 10:59:10 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: <000001c9c759$a7333ea0$f599bbe0$@com> We are planning on getting a HANS device. There was a vendor at Watkins last September and I am wondering if there will be a vendor at any of the VSCDA events this year or at Elkhart Lake at the SVRA events? I'm only about 60 miles from Pegasus in Milwaukee and can go there but thought maybe an "at track" vendor might be having "special" pricing. Thanks. What have you been paying for race gas this Spring? Just got some at the local circle track supplier (a Tri-Par filling station in Slinger, WI) and the price was $6.50/gal. for 111 octane leaded. I was told this was last Fall's price because they only get about two tanks a year and this is still last Fall's gas. Thanks again. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 27 13:49:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:49:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Message-ID: List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone is interested. The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial product will be available within a few weeks. I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 17:51:24 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:51:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: Typically there are not "Specials" on the Hans Devices. If you happen to be somewhere and are dropping major dollars on suit, shoes, helmet, etc. you "MIGHT" get 10%. At least that has been my experience when pricing them. Frankly after uncle jack and a couple of others last year I just bit the bullet and bought one. Even if I am worth more dead I don't think my wife would appreciate an early exit if I could have prevented it by driving sanely and wearing proper protection. Not sure what others are seeing but $6.50 a gallon for 111 leaded doesn't sound bad to me. Cheers, Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 #69 Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= Aprilfooter427NO62) From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 27 19:53:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: <49F66185.1090109@bradakis.com> Hmmm..... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:51:15 -0500 (CDT) From: tboyd at adlmail.com I bought an engine that was pulled from a Triumph factory race team car in 1975. The motor came from a hill climb car that was disassembled when British Leyland closed their completion department. My plan was to install it in a 66 Spitfire after upgrading the brakes, suspension and cooling. To make a long story short, the car was mostly completed but this motor was never installed. I was told before I bought it that a connecting rod bearing had spun but only light damage was done to the crankshaft. The pistons and connecting rods were lost in a move but I still have everything else. The cylinder head has double springs and alloy retainers. I was told that the competition dept shop had over 60 hours of bench time polishing and setting up this part. I also have the camshaft which is hand-stamped "Kastner S-2". I'm told this is a great cam for performance but still satisfactory for street driving. Its pretty obvious after 30 plus years that I'm not going to put this engine back together. If someone could use vintage racing parts with a little history and is willing to pay a fair price, please drop me a note. The car is still gathering dust in the wayback of the garage but that story is probably best left for another time. Car and parts are garage stored in Southeastern Minnesota. From Robertten1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 20:12:58 2009 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: Is this a 1147 1300 engine ? Curious, Bob T. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Apr 28 05:43:11 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:43:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ Message-ID: I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the worst thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, Dave Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in the car Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to go through that again. I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 06:10:26 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:10:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3AB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Racers, I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my failure I do have concerns... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 07:53:51 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904280653o714e273fw53fd5c18ee91ef75@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to the ugly world of TR6 engines. I have spun thee berings [one at a time]. My recommendations: dry coat the bearings nitirde the crank install racestorations aluminum sump [helps stiffen the bloc] and adds a deeper pan,windage tray and more oil capacity install racestorations kit to stiffen the crank bearing retainers and replace the aluminum rear oil seal hod;ler with a steel one install an accusump plumb an external oil feed to the numberone galley plug from a T-fitting. one end goes to the accusump,one to galley and one to another T on the return line from the oil cooler [I actually have a block and feed numbers 1,2 and 3 externally].You need a one way valve after the cooler and before the T. Drill the holes in the rear of the block that feed the galley out to 1/8 inch I know itis too late for any of this for Mittyso I hope it holds together for you [though you could get that line to number one galley and if I were you I would. Wish you the best of luck -- and hope having done all these things my engine stays together this year. Chuck 425-241-0457 On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:43 AM, wrote: > I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things > solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago > Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the > worst > thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, > Dave > Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us > another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working > until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in > the car > Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. > Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, > we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to > go through that again. > > I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > ; > bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:09:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:09:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <24150739.1240942158271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 12:15:52 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <001d01c9c82d$558cb2fe$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Steve, Is this a TR3/4 motor? What rods are you using? Thanks! Henry Frye - Sent via Phone 860.508.3118 -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:42:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >It's a TR3 with Carillo rods and a race-prepped stock crankshaft. I was given the teflon pieces and a tube of blue dye. I attached everything on the stand and rotated the motor. Where the blue die rubbed onto the teflon, I trimmed with an X-acto. again and again until the crank made no contact with the teflon. With all of those little nuts and washers used to space out the screen and the tray, I made sure everything was tight and wouldn't come apart inside the sump. Could you imagine a dozen little flat washers dumping into the oil? Not sure if it would be picked up in the filter. Anyway, the whole setup took about 6 months to get and was extremely well made. It seems that tons of guys run the scrapers in Miatas and in many other applications. There's only one way to find out if the scraper is the culprit and I'm eager to know what you learn when you tear down the motor. > >~Steve > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Henry Frye >>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 11:15 AM >>To: steve , Henry Frye , fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: RE: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>Steve, >> >>Is this a TR3/4 motor? >> >>What rods are you using? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Henry Frye - Sent via Phone >>860.508.3118 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM >>To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. >> >>~Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Henry Frye >>>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >>>To: fot at autox.team.net >>>Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >>> >>>Racers, >>> >>>I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >>>run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >>>combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >>>ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >>>failure I do have concerns... >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 13:42:37 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1968 GT6 available References: <3050D1FB-7873-4D03-A18D-4D11A8B6B7E9@recatalyst.com> Message-ID: Ralph Steinberg of Cloverleaf Auto (an active VRG racer, though with a Jag) introduced me to what seems to be a nice GT6 for sale. I have no financial interest in this, or time to play with it myself, but it sounds like a nice project for someone. "1968 Triumph GT6, one owner car being sold by original owner's daughter. Car located in Lancaster PA. Solid original car, showing 19,008 miles but believed closer to 40K, odometer not working. The car was last run in Summer 2007 and has been worked on by Cloverleaf Auto (Ralph Steinberg) who did the brakes, clutch, hydraulics and rebuilt the trans in 2004, and did some work on it to achieve PA inspection in 2007, with tires, battery and rebuilding the carbs. Ralph reports that the paint is tired but the car is solid with no rust issues (photos indicate it's faded red and has some surface rust where the paint has failed), chrome is so-so and the interior needs carpets and headliner. It has not been run since sumer 2007. Great car to restore. Please contact Rebekah Liddle for more info and photos at liddle1127 at hotmail.com. Asking $3,000." From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 28 18:06:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ From m-syork at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 18:35:42 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c9c862$6e18f790$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> Bill I stopped by Tony Garmey's about 3 weeks ago to look at the progress he made on my TR3 and saw Peyote, man it looks great. I got to help Tony with patching the cutout around the exhaust header; I drank 6 beers: 2-Guinness, 3-Dos Equis, and a Bud Light and smashed them for fender patches (had bad gas all night, must have been the toasted cheese sandwich I had for dinner). See you at Spring Sprints! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 28 19:09:29 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9FC66C9A5301492FB154BAF303455E1B@joepentiumnew> Pretty indeed. I love the way that there appears to be no compound curves. It makes fabricating new panels much easier. Lets see how long you can keep all that shiny metal straight. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 29 12:37:12 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From smockracer at charter.net Wed Apr 29 12:52:49 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 29 14:10:56 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA@RA Message-ID: <546371.73701.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - Does anyone racing with SVRA at RA on May 15-17 have an extra crew pass or passes? Myself and friends Irv and Ernie will be spectating and consuming wine and cheese in the Triumph paddock. Dennis DeLap From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 15:18:03 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Now Spit Chassis Dyno In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8C40B.9030302@charter.net> Speaking of Velocity Stacks, Does anyone out there have a set of 1 1/2" SU Velocity Stacks for a Spitfire?? I've been looking at the usual sources and having trouble finding a set. Also looking for a low restriction foam air filters for the same. Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in > the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. > > I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone > is interested. > > The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. > The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial > product will be available within a few weeks. > > I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 17:00:08 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Message-ID: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 29 18:34:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:34:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markvaden at gmail.com writes: I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) From john at race-dogs.com Wed Apr 29 18:38:54 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <000501c9c92c$0a084d30$800101df@jawsxp> We'll see you there in the Silver Bullet!! John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing weekend > Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! > > > In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markvaden at gmail.com writes: > > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: >> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend >> >> >>> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name >>> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and > Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double > click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=3A867281BF.22B73 From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 29 19:00:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:00:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: <21966022.1241053250675.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'll be there as a spectator only but instead of my TR3, I'm bringing my 1-year old kid, future racing driver, Elias! Wish I could bring the car too :( ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 19:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRAZY NYC MESSENGERS BIKE RACE... Message-ID: <747503B2509F470D9604E37841CD0382@Bud> You've gotta love this video link...it's bicycle stuff, but fits perfectly well with the mindset of the Wild..and..Wild at Heart....Which...Thankfully....WE ARE BABY!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:36 PM http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/214250/685132 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 19:07:12 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904291807n30374054m4ea6e2e3f68f29c6@mail.gmail.com> Just be careful when you pass my friend. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: > > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > > > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name > >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 21:56:32 2009 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470214.30183.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll be there, and I bringing Clifford. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 11:37 AM Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Apr 30 07:31:25 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 I-J scraper In-Reply-To: <4D1DC294-2C20-4471-843F-8AE58A2DB74E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3CE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I recently asked for input from TR3/4 racers who have run the I-J scraper/windage screen combo. Thanks to all that responded. My concern was the lifters appear to have taken a beating in the short time this engine was run, and I was wondering if the I-J scraper/windage combo might be too effective at reducing the windage cloud, robbing the cam and lifters of needed lubrication. My concern appears to be unfounded. YMMV... From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:14:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031517.ADBBF1878A0@autox.team.net> I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:18:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031833.053611880A5@autox.team.net> Sorry - these are for TR-3 / 4 with bolt on ring gear. You can see them here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Jack_Parts.htm - Tony >Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 >To: Amici Triumphi >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Lightened ring gear > >I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The >machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a >time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the >ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these >done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable >level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get >a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... > >- Tony Drews From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 02:49:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 Message-ID: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please contact Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: Andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Sent: 3/31/2009 7:34:39 PM Subject: tr2 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR2 history.jpg] From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 03:07:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr2 history wanted Message-ID: FOT is not accepting the attachment History desired for: the car is # ts7687L built 8/19/55..shipped black body with blue interior shipped to San Fran bay Area Bought in 1998 from Doug Taber in Pebblr Beach Ca. bought in 1997 from John sariballs of Lafayette, Ca. who had done a frame off restoration at that time due to an accident..current owner, Mike Andrews has no history of the car before that.... car has 4 SU carbs please ask me for photos... or ask Mike Andrews...FOT removes the photos from my email. any info can be sent to Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Thanks Racer Bud From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 09:16:35 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> John: Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 09:39:52 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090401163919.0DB78187660@autox.team.net> The description on line says: "Penny Mallory puts the Aston Martin V8 under the spotlight, Edd China visits a classic Austin taxi collector and Tony Mason enjoys a classic car show." while the Cox Cable Guide for Thursday mentions the TR4 along with the Austin and the Aston. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=66.15823.111950.29017.9 At 08:16 AM 4/1/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >John: > >Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It >was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English >countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, >check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of John Nikas >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM >To: Fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > >Gentlemen: > >Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but >believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this >Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 >will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be >all bad. > >Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into >this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) >was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall >of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be >here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who >classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la >Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and >races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed >Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine >man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > >Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed >extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph >Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 >Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still >trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and >although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine >addition. > >Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and >Smock) second these? > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Apr 1 13:33:51 2009 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:33:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations Message-ID: John, Mordy will give you 10% on your next Gasket Works order. You'll pay full price, but get .9 of the product ordered. He'll call it a performance enhancement. As my cowboy father-in-law says, there are now so many racing TR4s now in SoCal "we're gonna have to spray for 'em!" John Frymark From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:02:27 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26E2CD40-D125-4E93-80CF-8157E7F8EB0C@gmail.com> It sounds like we have enough already, but I will second or third. Both are great guys. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:41 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox > Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on > this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the > Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR > cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance > into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or > the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur > should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify > them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) > and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently > displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is > a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented > Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year > in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income > while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani > and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis > and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:08:12 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body work/ no lbc Message-ID: <0B1666D23D0042A68865743E12C6EAF5@RobPC> My kid is stationed in Norfolk Va and was just rear ended in his 2000 honda S2000 he's fine the car needs front and rear damage repair Is there any one in the area that can recomend a body shop. Hes getting deployed soon and it may make more scence for me to go get the car and have the repair done in Boston.Storage for 9 mths was going to be an issue any way thanks for the help Dad From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 17:31:58 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:31:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Very cool video Message-ID: <20090402003157.BAA2D187653@autox.team.net> This is a helmet cam from one of our faster 125 Shifter drivers (he came in 1st or 23 karts in this particular race). The camera is mounted on the chin of his camera. Gives you a real sensation of being the driver. This is on the East Track at Firebird (the track next to I-10) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Watch the HD version. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 1 18:57:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:57:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 In-Reply-To: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> References: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Message-ID: <04dc01c9b32e$0789f900$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please > contact > Mike Andrews at > andrewsdesign at earthlink.net The missing image can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/cce6lw -- Randall From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 1 19:33:26 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:33:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: "I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. " Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually develop a west coast bias. Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? Steve **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 19:39:50 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race of Champions 2008 Message-ID: <20090402023912.2A462187874@autox.team.net> I noticed that HD Theater will be airing the 2008 Race of Champions a handful of time this coming week starting on Sunday evening. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=66.15710.127668.0.0 Carl Edwards and Tanner Faust of Team USA against Michael Schumacher and the field at the 2008 Race of Champions event from Wembley Stadium in London, UK (December 14, 2008). From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Apr 1 20:12:25 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Race Car on Craigslist Message-ID: <49D41F09.5070300@greenheart.com> Ran into this on Craigslist.... passing it along.... --Justin Triumph spitfire - $5300 (palos verdes peninsula) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply to: sale-hqmmf-1102440303 at craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads? ] Date: 2009-04-01, 11:41AM PDT 1965 triumph spitfire race car under restoration, currently about 70 % completed, frame off restoration. Has SCCA race history, last raced June 1977 and log book. Many new parts including fuel cell, fire system, paint, aluminum interior work, has original revolution wheels, kas kassner parts, Light weight fiberglass bonnet and rear deck lid. New roll bar which reinforces front and rear suspension and side impact protection. New racing windscreen etc. Great entry race car and easy restoration project. Can be made street legal. Includes additional 1967 spitfire car $ 5,300.00 Steve 310-600-9024 http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1102440303.html From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:39:57 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sprite towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com To: fot at autox.team Subject: Sprite transport Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:32:53 -0400 Does any have a trip planned from east to west. I have a customer here in mid PA that needs to get his car to Arizona. If anyone is going west to pick up a car let me know. Also if anyone has a lead on a good transport service please contact me. Thanks, Lorne Fritz Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 21:53:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Message-ID: <819EBC5460354D2FB8828A616B4C3F98@Bud> hi gang....formula 5000 racer in need of parts..this is what we're about..triumph or whatever..please scroll down thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N Smith To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: FW: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Bud, would you post this to the group? Steve is trying to get his car back on track and needs some help. Nick From: Seb Coppola [mailto:sebcoppola at f5000registry.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:56 PM To: F5000 Friends Subject: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! If anyone can help Steve Davis, please get in touch with him. He is trying to get his 1969 Eagle F5000 ready to race with us at Thunderhill in mid-May. Best, Seb Sebastian (Seb) Coppola President - Formula 5000 Drivers Association Administrator - F5000 Registry Phone: (248) 601-2800 Cell: (248) 219-4448 www.F5000Registry.com Email: SebCoppola at F5000Registry.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steve Davis [mailto:sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:35 PM To: Seb Coppola Subject: Parts! Hey Seb, In refreshing my Eagle I've found some problems with my half shafts. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you put this out to the F5000 membership to see if anyone has spares or leads on spares? Thanks much. Steve Davis 831-320-0967 sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com Need: SMALL B.R.D. HALFSHAFTS Specifically I need the male shafts but will of course take the whole piece. I think Spicer made at least two lengths on these and the ones I need are the SHORT ones (McLaren ones are longer), OA length of the shaft excluding the yoke is approximately 6". I already have new yokes if you have a good piece with a bad yoke. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From cak at dimebank.com Wed Apr 1 22:29:00 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] replacement TR4A head? Message-ID: <200904020429.n324T0he011411@moose.dimebank.com> Someone just wrote me asking about a head he bought on ebay, supposedly a TR4A head. It has the bevel in the combustion chamber, but the number cast into it is 582137, not 511695. Any idea what this head is? Was there a later version of the TR4A head? I can't find any record of this part number... Thanks, chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 23:14:53 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904012214x510ea34ci66b9769a6b4ead58@mail.gmail.com> We will be there? Snack bar? I didn't know there was a snack bar. Are we not going to be where Paul and John were last at Big Bore Bash? Wherever we are can someone save a space? I won't be there until early Saturday morning. John P.S. West Coast Bias? We should be the center of the universe. With alll due respect to the Group 44 guys and others this is where Kas made his mark. And last time I checked we had 27 Triumphs (or Triumph powered cars) at the last event. That should be some kind of record for a non-marque featured race. With Steve Smith and Gee up front followed by Paul, Mordy, Frank and John we acquit ourselves very well. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > *"I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still > runs sans #1 > piston or rod. "* > > Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... > > Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually > develop a west coast bias. > > Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) > > I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the > snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? > > Steve > > ------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Apr 2 07:57:56 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Smashing News Message-ID: Two Ferraris crash together in Oklahoma. http://www.wreckedexotics.com/articles/021.shtml From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Apr 2 08:30:06 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front align. Message-ID: <1D12CF59133C49D392EE2B4C5DDF2908@Pendys> FOT'ers, Thank You for the input\suggestions on setting up the early tr4 front end alignment. A special tip off the hat to Jim G. - Chuck A - Bill B. In my earlier request, i was incorrect to my tire size,car is shod with goodyear 23-9-15 not 23-9.5-15 as i thought.A question was asked about the HP rateing,previous engine was 189 at 13.3 comp. ratio. New one is at dyno as i write, but i think we will be somewhat over that figure.I have shaved a considerable amount of weight off the car over the winter which translates to you know what.So again,i thank you for the input. Mark Pendy From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 4 06:37:31 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 4 07:03:28 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ATL 12 gal. I usually use 7-9 gallons per race. Mike #28 EP http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sat Apr 4 07:47:52 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <557B69B8D7D84BC1AAB28100D912F9B6@Dell5100Laptop> 8 gallon Fuel Safe. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 08:17:30 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <63653142.508321.1238854650828.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> /Owm6WK: Permission denied From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Apr 4 08:33:34 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D76FBE.1070000@charter.net> Andre Rousseau wrote: > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 8 gallon Fuel Safe in a 72 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 4 09:10:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fuel Cells Message-ID: **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells To: andre at gt6.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 04/04/2009 6:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > What do you guys run? > I had FUEL SAFE put a custom bladder in my stock TR3 fuel tank in the late 1980s. Worked great without butchering the car in any way. I carry pictures with my log book in case they don't believe it's in there. FUEL SAFE is replacing that bladder this winter. Not sure how much it holds, but at least eight gallons. Bill Dentinger ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 10:19:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090404171822.12830187642@autox.team.net> 12 Gallon Fuel Safe cell in my TR-4. It's big enough to run a one hour enduro without running out of gas. 8 gallons is good for about 45 minutes of running. - Tony At 07:37 AM 4/4/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >What do you guys run? > >Thanks. > >A. > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 4 12:13:53 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:13:53 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance Message-ID: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 13:54:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:54:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 53 L standard steel tank. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 14:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 16:45:36 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090404234451.293CB187898@autox.team.net> The ones that Jack made he tried for just a few thousandths clearance and we didn't see evidence of contact on disassembly. The teflon ones are supposed to be a net fit from what I understand. - Tony D At 12:14 PM 9/4/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that >everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone >successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a >successful minimum clearance? > >Thanks, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat Apr 4 19:50:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 8 gallon ATL in a 1964 Spitfire Mk. 1 (H Production). With two fuel pickups, one at each rear corner. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sun Apr 5 07:22:13 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:22:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR6 For Sale Message-ID: Amici, I rarely post but some of you may remember me from the period when I produced the axle upgrade with Uncle Jack. As the ongoing recession takes its toll, I regretfully need to sell my TR6 to raise cash. The car is a 1972 model that I have had since High School. It has been restored once and is a full race car at this point. The engine and tranny are out and engine is diassembled into major components. The fenders and hood are fiberglass and I have the original steel hood. Flenders are flared. I also have a never installed fiberglass airdam. All fiberglass parts are from molds owned by Rod Kent who used to run a TR6 in SCCA. Windscreen is Ted Schumaker low profile racing acrylic and I have the OEM windsheild and frame. Car has onboard Halon system and a aircraft version of an Accusump. It also has an fully shrouded aluminum radiator from a Porsche. Battery is located in the trunk area, fuel cell is mounted in the trunk well. Rear suspension features Bilstein coilovers mounted to the rollbar. Front has high rate spings and .875 dia solid 4130 sway bar with adjustable Konis. Rear hubs are Datsun 510 single piece conversions. All suspension bushings are urethane or delrin. Allfin drums on rear, OEM calipers up front with braided steel lines and Howe dual master cylinder and balance bar. Engine has cam bearings, approx 10:1 compression head, roller rockers, triple Webers on Canon manifold,hardened valve seats, toleranced oil pump, aluminum flywheel. Crank is tapped for extra flywheel bolts. Exhaust is through a header with temperature monitoring bungs and thermocouples, stright 2.5" pipe out the back. Pistons are original but rods have been lightened and everything balanced staticaly and dynamically. Tranny has J type OD. The cam bearings need to be replaced, I had an oil starvation problem after last rebuild. Other bearings and crank look good. Suspension was well sorted in my opinion, but Accumsump, windscreen, air dam and oiling system are unproven. Car got new floorpans and rocker panels in the early 90's and has been garaged ever since so rust shuld not be an issue. Frame is galvanized! I also have a lot of the OEM parts in boxes but only one fender. I am hoping someone out there can buy and enjoy this great car. If not I will probably part it out on Ebay. I am located in Phoenix Arizona. Please let e know if you have a serious interest and I wil get pictures and details. Thanks Mark Weathers From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:18:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Hi Gang.. Lucas TR6/250 fuel injection unit for sale for 750.00..please contact Dean Beaupre in Sebastopol, Ca at dabeaupre at gmail.com Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:46:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Message-ID: <53558CBBFE8C4628A081CA904A0377ED@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Hi gang...TIDE EBDING is going to convert his vintage racing TR4(Steve froines' Ol' Blue' to an SCCA Racecar...He's looking for fibreglass flared stuff, etc..contact tide at tidetr3 at yahoo Racer Bud From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 06:08:20 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 29, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andre, I run an 8 Gallon ATL fuel cell in my Spitfire. I can almost run 2 sessions on the track if I forget to fill it between races. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 6 06:39:44 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark, I can't help you with your crank scraper clearance, but have you noticed the date your computer is sending out? 9/4/09 ! Are you going to be making up some scrapers for sale? I may be interested if you are. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Apr 6 08:59:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 10:04:57 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493497.20097.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can't send any photo links, but we have about 6 inches (15 cm) of new snow at my home here in Southeast Michigan. They will probably make some comment about it on the NCAA finals tonight. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: Andre Rousseau To: FOT Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 10:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at vt.edu Mon Apr 6 06:37:54 2009 From: jhassall at vt.edu (Hassall, James) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank end float issues Message-ID: Has anyone successfully tightened the thrust clearance? While checking the dimensions for the crank gear / cam gear parallelism, it ocurred to me that if the crank is fully forward at 0.006 clearance and the cam is fully to the rear at 0.0075, there's a possibility that the crank gear and cam gear will be out of plane by 0.0135. If it's so important (according to the shop manual) to have the two gears dead nuts parallel, what about tightening the the crank thrust clearance? At least that should reduce the back and forth wear on the timing chain. OTOH, should the parallelism be checked with crank and cam fully forward or fully rearward? That seems most logical to me, but the manual makes no mention of the procedure. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Virginia Tech Administrative Information Systems 540.231.2124 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 10:59:18 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer Message-ID: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Thanks. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:22 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike From emanteno at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:29 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer In-Reply-To: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> References: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Message-ID: <354a1780904061112iffe89bg266fd78a54472bcb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by > a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good > insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Tim, I used them to cover my TR4 and still use them for coverage on my street TR6. The real question, are they a good insurer, has yet to be answered as I have never had a claim with them. If I'm lucky, I never will. Irv Korey From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 14:01:17 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c9b6f2$72eb1680$58c14380$@com> XRP of South Gate, CA (www.xrp.com; tele. 562-861-4765)has a AN-3 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare fitting, their part no. 402703, that I used on the Wilwood "Clutch & Small Brake Master Cylinders" for both front and rear master cylinders and the clutch master cylinder. These are Girling style master cylinders so this part may work for you. The AN-4 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare is part no. 402714. They have other adapter fittings for 7/16-20 and metric. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 15:55:48 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor References: Message-ID: <000a01c9b702$724e9520$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Pegasus has a good supply of adapter fittings. I'm looking at a similar situation. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor > I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an > adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks > like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. > I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN > adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I > can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard > master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? > Any other ideas? > > thanks > mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 16:02:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:02:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c9b703$5887a7c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> The forecast here is calling for a 5-8 inch snowfall tonight. It will set a record if it happens. Snowing now. The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... > Snowing in Ottawa. > > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg > > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 6 15:12:23 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:12:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: Out here in the Southwest we get the Mexican forecast...Chile today, Hot Tamale... In a message dated 4/6/2009 2:03:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 15:15:55 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:15:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:24:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 6 15:28:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:30:44 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:46:18 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org><454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0707B37B6AC84CD4A42A28A48150D89A@Bud> i use Condon and Skelly(i think theyre owned by met life) I've been useing them for years for various vintage cars and motorcycles...The coverage is full(no deductible)...mileage is limited to about 2500....driving is for special events or 'Sunday drives'...If I commute in the car/bike..I am still covered for liability...but no coverage for damage to my vehicle... most of the vintage car companies will cover your car much more thoroughly than the traditional insurers..My friend is with JC Taylor, and they covered his loss when his garage flooded from a storm, and his Healey had water damage Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Barr, Scott" Cc: ; "Jeff Snook" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance >I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting > use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport > coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. > > > > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM > To: Jeff Snook > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance > > I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my > street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K > replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. > It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I > don't even think about shopping for price! > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple > years ago > over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 16:03:28 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003501c9b703$8462c460$8d284d20$@org> My policy with Haggerty is for race car and trailer insurance so there are not any limitations (other than the race cars are not insured for any damage on the track). Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:28 PM To: Scott Janzen; Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 6 16:27:15 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: <200904062227.n36MRFHO009125@moose.dimebank.com> h v Don't count on the flare for a seal - use a Dowty washer. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:28:20 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:35:58 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 17:00:48 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 17:04:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "'FOT'" ; "Mike Munson" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. > > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 17:26:10 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> Message-ID: And those Porsches! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. From jibjib at att.net Mon Apr 6 17:57:30 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <25B865F8C36D4A3D8DF997A5D749C667@HPPavilion> I changed over a year or so ago (Heacock to Haggerty) when the policy from Heacock changed and eliminated my ability to every drive my car to work. It's forbidden by Heacock now, but occasionally OK by Haggerty. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:17:20 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:17:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 18:23:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: Message-ID: Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; "'FOT'" Cc: "'Sam Halkias'" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > And those Porsches! > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM > To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? > Racer Bud > > >> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... >> >> >> Tom >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm >> >> >> #4 white spitfire >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: >> >> From: Mike Munson >> Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? >> To: "'FOT'" >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM >> >> Oops, the first link didn't work. >> >> Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of >> Sam's >> car. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:58:12 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <797468.12728.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Might be a little low for some tracks. ahh, you know what they say in some groups .... if it isnt rubbing on the ground, it isnt low enough ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Doug Mitchell wrote: From: Doug Mitchell Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "Mike Munson" , "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:17 PM Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 6 19:39:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why WRC Cars cost so much Message-ID: <20090407023930.9B03E187651@autox.team.net> Surviving a wreck like this with NO injuries (both the driver and navigator) shows that the cost of a WRC cars is well worth every penny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlARG0vTxeM http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=4500&desc=Latvala%20thanks%20his%20team%20for%20building%20a%20life-saver Latvala thanks his team for building a life-saver Jari-Matti Latvala has paid tribute to his BP Ford Abu Dhabi Team for building a car which kept him and his co-driver safe from harm during a horrific crash on the opening day of Rally Portugal. Latvala, 24, crashed heavily on Friday's third stage, his Focus RS plunging over a roadside barrier and rolling 20 times down a hillside, eventually coming to rest 150 metres from the road. Incredibly Latvala and his co-driver Miikka Anttila escaped without injury. Anttila flew home to Finland on Saturday morning while Latvala will remain in Portugal for public relations work this week. "I'd like to say a big thank you to the team for building a car that is so strong that we walked away with only a few bruises," said Jari-Matti. "If we had suffered that accident 20 years ago, we probably wouldn't be alive. "It is definitely the biggest and the hardest crash I have ever had. I didn't realise what was happening until we started to roll. It's a nightmare feeling when you are in that situation because all you can do is wait. As we rolled there was an incredible noise and the roll cage started to fold in around us. It was very frightening," he added. Ford team principal Malcolm Wilson echoed Latvala's comments and revealed that the car had stood us so well to the battering that it might still have a competitive future. "Firstly, we're all relieved that both Jari-Matti and Miikka escaped injury," said Wilson. "It was an incredible accident and the fact they are both unhurt is testament to the strength of the Focus RS WRC. They owe their lives to that. "It is a tribute to the skill and many hours of hard work put in by the team in designing and developing such a robust car that they climbed out uninjured. All the safety systems that have been developed by the teams and the FIA worked in the way they should. The car stood up remarkably well, to the point where - remarkably - it will probably be able to be repaired," he added. From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:28:15 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB853FA41EA6F8-12E8-5D2@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> No way at SVRA. Jack Woehrle -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:29:56 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:50:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:50:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was this taken from an old steam locomotive? Saw this first at some western movies. Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:52:34 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RACER BUD Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 03:58:29 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA???? like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 7 07:00:43 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8597FED903F3-16D0-57B@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> OK, we'll change the rules to allow air dams if it snows....even at the KIC. -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net; fasttrs at mindspring.com; jwoesvra at aol.com Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 5:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA????B like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage an d check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 7 07:20:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:20:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snows Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 7 07:41:36 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends if submerged or on the surface I would think. > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von RACER BUD > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 > An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a > friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I > nicknamed him U-BOAT > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ds From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 7 08:09:25 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snows In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: I've been expecting to hear reports back from FOT that went to the CVAR race March 28-29 in Hallett. I didn't make it to the race but I know that Saturday got snowed out, 8 inches or so, and on Sunday they raced with snow on the ground. So, maybe that snowplow air dam should be an allowable option to increase track time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Deanes, Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Snows Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 08:29:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings, I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the block. The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the intake valve area's, I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top ring at TDC. As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve flow from the intake valve and clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner should be B ? Thanks, Jim G. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 18:38:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090408013727.0A445187665@autox.team.net> Here's the deck height discussion from 2005 - Tony: In a message dated 12/13/2005 11:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: With stock rods and hepolite pistons and a steel head gasket (.020" thick), the pistons will just "kiss" the head at 6500 rpm when the deck clearance is .006" below the top of the liner. This is with a stock crank. So that means there is .026" total elongation in crank flex, rod and main bearing clearance, rod "stretch, pin flex and piston growth from the heat of combustion. That's exactly what I have found with a stock shaft. With a steel crank I run a thou or two in the hole with a .020 gasket, no carbon buildup on the piston tops below the squish area.. Glen. At 09:29 AM 4/7/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings, > >I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the >block. > >The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. > >I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner > >and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the >intake valve area's, > >I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top >ring at TDC. > >As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve >flow from the intake valve and > >clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm >wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. > >Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner >should be B ? > >Thanks, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 18:45:10 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem Message-ID: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:00:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: do you have any sign of water in the oil? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at > 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at > the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, > run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was > down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water > temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression > test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine > when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next > step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not > the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 7 20:00:24 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c9b7ed$c83bbc60$58b33520$@com> Do you run foam air cleaners? We had one fail in that it acted as a choke, sucking foam into the face of the carb when running high rpm and pull away (back to normal) at lower rpm. Similar running description you had. The rattle is disturbing, sounds like a bearing on #3 Where did the water go? Any signs? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Apr 7 22:43:29 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Message-ID: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 22:32:45 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues References: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <00cf01c9b803$10d7a370$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Sounds like the coil is energized whenever the switch is closed, even when the ignition is not on. Why not wire it through an ignition switch? If you race it, why not wire it through a low oil pressure cut out switch? May save the engine in case of oil failure. Also, do you use a resistor in line with the coil? You may be running too much current through the coil. An old rule of thumb that I heard: whatever the ground is, say neg, that's the post of the coil that goes to the dist. Lot of good coils out there, Bosch, MSD, etc. The timing light thing is strange. Try powering it right off the battery; use long jumper wires if necessary. Sounds like you may have a wiring gremlin. Ground problem? Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues > I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the > battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is > closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive > side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my > Mallory dual point. > > I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the > top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. > > Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? > > I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a > part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national > chain would be appreciated. > > Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The > ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what > could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I > believe the wires are 8mm. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 21:23:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Engine Problem Message-ID: <20090408054008.59A9D18765F@autox.team.net> Msg too long. Snipped and resent. TD >Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:21:49 -0500 >To: "Gary Horstkorta" , >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Problem > >When doing a compression check, make sure you have the carbs opened >up. I had weird compression values, and after remembering to open >the butterflies got over 200 psi in each cylinder. > >If you ran it hot, you can easily stick a valve. In my case, that >happened between 200 and 220 degrees F. > >Mallories have weird condensers, Jack used to scrape off the outer >coating where it hit the bracket. The bracket that holds the >condenser has a couple of spikes that are supposed to pierce the >outer coating - not very reliable. Not sure why this would be >corner dependent, but could explain why changing out the dizzy would >fix the problem kinda. Rotors have been a problem too, another >thing that would have changed with the new dizzy. > >SU's (at least the HS-6) can take a surprisingly high fuel >pressure. Also, the brass floats don't seem to like racing gas and >can sink sometimes. With the HS-6's we needed to have the lids on >in a certain position or you get starvation in cornering. Left >handers were our biggest problem. We found that having the fuel >inlet at the front of the front carb and the back of the rear carb >(may have that backwards but I don't think so) was the optimal >setup. You don't have enough acceleration to screw up the rear >carb, and the problem caused by braking fixes itself by the time you >get on the gas hard. > >I wonder if the new dizzy install got the timing off causing the >higher water temp. Then you stuck a valve. > >No fixes, but food for thought. > >- Tony Drews > >At 07:45 PM 4/7/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >>Hello: >> >> >> >>OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. >>During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. >>Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while >>in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon >>Raceway, I encountered the following: >> >> From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 8 01:27:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:27:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <38A99BD1-A222-41A2-A140-D9D5AE12D8DB@bnj.com> I'd say the problem started off as a bad ground, either the condenser or somewhere else, and after you fiddles with stuff it became something else. On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback > on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range > while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at > Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating > at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high > at 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb > at the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. > Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel > level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the > engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right > hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way > up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely > start, run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; > replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with > stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, > no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car > was down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it > normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of > water temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing > obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by > hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a > compression test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; > #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the > engine when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - > one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car > mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. > Next step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a > similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and > not the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 8 02:23:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:23:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ignition problems are sometimes hidden and misleading to a fuel problem. >From this point I always start from ignition to fuel and then deeper to the engine. >From what I suppose is that your double ignition distributor did work well on one corner and failed at the opposite corner. You replaced the distributor and I could imagine that maybe the ignition advance wasn't set correctly and so the ignition was too late at high revs which caused overheating of the engine and a lack of power. I could also imagine a shrunk piston #3 with some piston slap now caused by overheating. I suppose the # 3 had the best compression and did overheat most and died first. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 02:45 An: Fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Engine Problem Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 09:07:12 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: When I built mine, I had a spare block drilled out. Unfortunately, I'm 2000 miles away from my shop for the next week or so. If you can get one of the steel retainers, you've got the size and the bolt pattern. You also need to get the depth and width of the spring slot in the diff so you can match it on the spacer. I can get these for you in a week or so if you can wait that long. In this same vein, has anyone ever done the math to figure out the relationship between the arch in the spring, the spacer size and camber? I'm good with what I've got, but the engineer in me is curious. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 21:33:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 8 20:30:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues now source of Crane Ignition anyone have a source? In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB86D253B7189A-C7C-1D0A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> I am looking for a CRANE breakerless ignition for my AMBRO. Thanks!? Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Apr 8 21:29:36 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Diff Bolt Locations Message-ID: <8CB86DA8A8DCC92-5E0-18AC@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Amici, Thanks to all that responded to my request.? Parts are made and one is off to a fellow GT6 owner. Thanks again, Bob T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 9 01:00:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:00:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: There are two types of ignition coils. Some can take full 12V and has an internal resistor of about 3 Ohm and the ones that need an external resistor and has an internal resistor of about 1,5 Ohm. For instance the blue Bosch coil can take full 12 V, the red Bosch coil which has more output needs a resistor which is given in the package. The good thing with Bosch coils - they work with all ignition systems. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 05:34 An: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 07:50:13 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question Message-ID: Hi, I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. Guidance, please? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 08:11:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question Message-ID: Hi, I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the key for the crank dampener. Any opinions are welcome. I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. Thanks! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 9 08:37:42 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:37:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090409143739.DHRN4586.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is > it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? IMO, yes. FWIW Bob, I had almost exactly the same problem on my street TR3A (although for a different reason). The crank nose was worn undersize, but there's no telling how long it had been loose, so you may be luckier in that department than I was. The replacement hub would work loose again, even properly clamped. So, I used Loctite RC609 "Circular parts mount" to mount the hub. It's advertised to fill gaps up to .010", and for use in "restoring fits". Worked for me, for perhaps 50,000 miles of street driving (until the car got wrecked). They say to remove it, heat to 250C. But the only time I've had it apart, I just used an ordinary balancer puller to force it off. Definitely took a lot of force, but came off without damaging anything. YMMV Might be worth a try. I'll let someone else comment on the utility of having the crank nose welded up and ground down. Randall From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Apr 9 08:56:57 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past purchasers with a replacement kit? I guess it would depend on how knackered your snout is. My dampener was still tight and the keyway was slightly enlarged. I would imagine if you got a key to fit in snuggly, it might be okay. Maybe this would be a good crank for a street motor that doesn't see as many rpm's. My problem is mine is a long ended early crank shaft and there aren't many replacements available for it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 09:21:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Charly Mitchel wrote: > This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the > 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank > hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with > his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past > purchasers with a replacement kit? The guy that I got the part from, Rick Patton, is a stand-up guy. He will replace the part with one cut a tad deeper if you ask him. I had him make me one that has the recess much deeper, .400 come sto mind, although I'd have to measure the part to be sure. He made the new one at no cost. He is aware that some cranks have a slightly longer snout owing to how the parts are manufactured, although I have no idea how he determined that. He did ask me things like "did you install shims behind the crank driven cam gear" and stuff. But if you look at the face of the eliminator and the face of the dampener, you can see some fretting where the parts touch. In my case, the motor has maybe 20 minutes of time between installation and when I figured out the parts has loosened up. For the end of the season, I put the stock fan extension on and that stayed tight for two events (probably 20 - 25 minutes of run time.) All I need now is another dampener to see if everything is tight. :-) I've got 4 in the garage, but two of them are totally unsuitable for a race motor (really nasty rubber elastomer!!). I suppose I should try them for fitment on the key and then go from there. Honestly, I hadn't thought of that! Yikes. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:37:10 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other > reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And > $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in > Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / > injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the > motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only > hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic > damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the > noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation > and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough > for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the > radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the > slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that > I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no > brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that > installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying > not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 9 10:27:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:27:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you have to lose trying it? I might not put an expensive dampener on it perhaps, just a decent one, but it's likely that your crank is fine. On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for > no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, > maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an > awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to > the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock > internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where > the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you > could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that > the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be > the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper > rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my > installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator > was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock > damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the > crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got > egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the > crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform > dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley > to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of > picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm > weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to > Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a > given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a > no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more > and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best > solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on > the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 9 10:36:54 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 9 18:24:18 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob- It is unlikely that you created an "out of round" condition on the crank given the relatively short time frame it ran until discovered. I would think that as long as the woodruff key slot in the crank was not damaged too badly, that you should be fine using a different balancer. If there is some excessive tolerance on the woodruff key fit, then you may need to shim the woodruff key or make a date with your machine shop. If you have a dial indicator, that should verify and out of round condition, it could also help in verifying the radial slop in the woodruff key as well. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 10 14:51:22 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:51:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c9ba1e$1e5a9d50$5b0fd7f0$@com> I'm not sure if fitting a harmonic damper is a good thing to do if the damper isn't specially designed for the specific engine. Just fitting something that can be installed on the front end of the crank might make it worse than better. Too dangerous for me. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 18:37 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Apr 10 17:33:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <004701c9ba34$cf75a830$6e60f890$@com> Here's an interesting link explaining what a harmonic damper is all about. Complicated. The whole link will probably not survive intact, so copy-paste it to your browser. http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technial-info/the-dangers-of-power-pulleys-and- understanding-the-harmonic-damper Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Apr 10 18:37:16 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street Message-ID: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a VTR regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd be nice in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 10 18:42:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:42:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street In-Reply-To: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> References: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Message-ID: that would be an expensive way to get around. They would likely last a few thousand miles and wouldn't give much grip after they hardened up. On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:37 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a > VTR > regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd > be nice > in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Apr 11 07:37:41 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing Message-ID: What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 11 08:09:48 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:09:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390904110709g6dfce40aiaa56cb1268fc244b@mail.gmail.com> The round ones ;) heheh I'm waiting too see if VARAC add the R888's (RA1 replacements) to their list. A. 2009/4/11 Brad Kahler : > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 10:33:52 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <073108E09FCC4AAB9E32FA6DBF159923@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In this same vein, anyone have experience with the Hoosier R6 tire on a Spitfire. I'm wondering how they might compare with the Yokohama A32's that I can no longer get. Thanks in advance. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 11:02:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing References: Message-ID: I use the dunlops that are the spec front tire for the vintage formula ford...they are very legal because they are an actual vintage racing tire Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun Apr 12 07:34:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98766789234@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> These guys are great: http://www.bii1.com/benders/rotary-draw-benders.php http://www.vansantent.com/tube_bending_machines.htm you don't need to get a mandrel bender that is more for exhausts. I replaced the cage in my GT6 with a hand powered tube bender with a good ratchet mechanism. It was accurate, inexpensive, good exercise and fun. Thus meeting most of the FOT requirements. Sorry to get in on this late Bill B GT6 (soon) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:26 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 16:46:19 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:46:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fun weekend at VIR! Message-ID: <59723A53-CE71-4465-B87B-7579332BAE77@141.com> It was great to get out to VIR - it had been way too long! Henry, Tony, Leo, Dennis, Dean, Bob W., George W., Captain Rob, Mark Craig (with a '72 Spit and soon to be nominated to the FOT) and I all had cars there, and Ernie and.the Marshalls (and Brad, of course) were there for support. If I missed anyone, I apologize! Poor Henry's engine only made it one lap, Rob's car developed a bad knock, Dean's car didn't make it much longer than Henry's, and my oil pressure got low and stayed there, so we went on the trailer before something catastrophic happened. When we left at lunchtime today, everyone else was doing well and looking forward to the last races. I'll let everyone fill In their own details... Brad and I got to shake the hand of the retired vice admiral of the Atantic fleet, Hank Giffin, who is a board member of VDCA and races a Morgan, and helped him work on his trailer lights. He is a very nice man, and showed some interest in possibly getting into a Spitfire instead of the Morgan. I did get two full days of racing and Henry was able to at least get one session in in Tristan, so I wasn't disappointed in the weekend at all, and I also get a billet bottom end out of this, since we can now use the Moldex crank we got last year, yay! I had hoped Henry and I could share the enduro, but oh well. There's always next time! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 17:50:31 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Forgot the awards! Message-ID: <21098FA9-CC02-4F11-8DF8-C98F6924E8A4@141.com> Forgot to say earlier that Bob W. won the Wild Hare pursuit race and George W. won the Magruder(?) award!! Congrats, guys!!! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Apr 13 08:49:37 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:49:37 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street TR3 Message-ID: <20090413.104937.24360.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, my son seems to have caught the bug from me and wants a TR3 to drive on the street. Anyone know of a "driver" that is available? Being that he is 18 he certainly does not need nor can afford a "show" car. I am in Connecticut, so a car in the Northeast would save some $$$ with transportation, but cars further away would not be out of the question. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to become certified as a project management professional. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxZ9l1qK46MzFQvNkKz3hZ972 gS5MfnotHDrUGWKzDl8sExKrIprva/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 13 11:12:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:12:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database References: Message-ID: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Apr 13 11:39:12 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve You forgot my favorites. http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr7 http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr8 Neat site...Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: April 13, 2009 1:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 13 15:42:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> References: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I had no idea that TRs were so popular with the French. Terry Stetler. From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 13 19:32:49 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Wild Hare at VIR Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E306@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> We had fun at VIR as usual, the boys (and Susan!) came out to populate the Ghetto. We had way too much attrition, both Dean Tetterton and I didn't survive the first session. Many thanks to Susan and Brad, they insisted I take a session in her Spitfire and offered to share the enduro. I had a hoot in the Spit on Friday afternoon, but she came in Saturday afternoon with failing oil pressure, so on the trailer it went. The Wild Hare Pursuit Race had a Triumph powered winner! Bob Wismer started from the pole and ran a strong race. It was the closest finish in Wild Hare history, but in the end Bob and the Thunderbolt was declared the winner. Congrats Bob! Leo offered up the latest installment of the Martha McDougal award at the Saturday dinner, the deserving winner was George Wright. Look for a post soon with the whole story. Then we lost Capt'n Rob, his TR4 came in on Sunday warm-ups with a rod knock. The group 1 and 4 feature only had Mark Craig in a squaretail Spit. Mark ran strong. Then in the group 3,6 and 8 feature we only had George Wright, Tony Drews and Dennis DeLap in their TR4's, Leo Oddi in his TR250 and Bob Wismer in the Thunderbolt. George ran very well, got first in class and had a great run with a pair of BMW 2002's. Tony ran great at a track he only ran once before. Leo continues to run fast, and finished well. Dennis DeLap was having fun with a MGB-GT all weekend, and did so in the feature as well. Bob Wismer had a good run going until the Thunderbolt succumbed to yet another sunken carb float. It went two laps short of a perfect weekend, so Bob had no complaints at all. This event continues to be a real treat, tons of track time, low key, great people and a great time. Give it a try, you will come back for sure. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 13 21:41:52 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wild Hare @ VIR - another version Message-ID: <20090414051241.2E80818766C@autox.team.net> Just got back home from the Wild Hare run at VIR. Long tow, worth every minute of it. We had great weather, LOTS of track time, a lot of nice people to play with both on and off the track. The Triumph Ghetto was awesome - the Friday Night Fish Fry with Captain Rob bringing the seafood was excellent, even if it did get a little precipitation. Saturday dinner was great, came back to a campfire and bench racing. I had great fun dicing with Leo in his TR-250 and a yellow MGB that was quick when it ran. We had several practice / qualifying sessions on Friday and Saturday - I was 2 to 4 seconds off of George Wright's times which is about as good as I can hope for there. In the final race, I was within a second of him in time, but I think he was being held up. VIR is an awesome track - the esses are about as much fun as you can have. Wide open IF you've got good handling and the cohones to really do it. I gained on almost everyone at the end of the esses. While there's not much passing in the esses, there are a couple of nice long straights that offer good passing opportunities. With its country club environment, and nice 60 / 70 degree highs, blue skies etc. it couldn't have been nicer. Susan and Henry have described the Triumph attendees pretty well - I really enjoyed my time with all of them. We had a pursuit race to end Friday (Handicap race with the "slowest" cars at the front), a feature race to end Saturday and an enduro on Sunday (I skipped that one), and a feature race on Sunday to end the weekend. I had the best dices in the Saturday feature race, but didn't have the camera in the car. Plenty of happy drivers after both of those. In the Sunday race, I got held up by a couple of V-8 cars - a Mustang stopped my exit speed from Oak Tree and gave Leo clear sailing by me, and a badly smoking GTO / Tempest slowed my exit from the esses on the next lap. He did us the favor of taking 3/4 of a lap while having an obvious oiling problem - leaving quite a trail near the end of the run. He may have left some oil in the final turn of the esses which is the fastest corner on the track. While trying to make up time to catch back up to Leo and the MGB I got sideways somewhere over 100 in that corner and narrowly averted disaster. I rejoined without having lost much track position, luckily. George's description of smiting his car in that same area was circulating in my head as I regained control and got pointed away from the tire wall. Chris Marx, I have VIDEO of this - it will be coming soon. :) I did end up catching and passing the MGB - I used the oil slicks against him. I figured out pretty quickly what to avoid and where I could go hammer down. Caught him coming to the one lap to go mark. Another lap or two and I could have joined the fight with Leo and Tivvy in a very well driven Jag XK-140. I was sad to see the mechanical failures of especially the Triumph crowd. Hopefully everyone will make speedy repairs and rejoin the fray. Great friends, great track, great weather, great racing, life is good. - Tony Drews From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 23:29:22 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] "1" piston needed Message-ID: <683666840.1143381239686962840.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I need one JE piston, 87 mm bore, flat top to replace one that developed piston slap. The pistons were ordered thru BFE about three years ago. Inversely, I may have three for sale if I cannot locate a replacement. Make offer! Also, looking for a black or redB tonneau cover for a TR4 or the cover for a 64 TR4 that covers the top bows in the down position. If you have either item available, please contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net B Thanks! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 13:43:00 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast after > a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > #4 plug was wet. When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. HTH, Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 13:49:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast >> after >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > HTH, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Apr 14 14:27:20 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:27:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 14:36:05 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:36:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8B57C3E4F426-ADC-7D6@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> I agree, especially the checking the liner height part. This is very critical, especially with the steel gasket. Also check for clearance on top of the water pump housing under the head. If it's hitting, the head won't clamp down good. It shouldn't be necessary to add wire in order to get a good seal, something is wrong.. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: budscars at comcast.net; emanteno at gmail.com; kenmun at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Apr 14 15:55:08 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Classic Car Club Message-ID: <20090414225501.B0265187656@autox.team.net> I'll bring my notebook and projector to the DCTRA meeting tonight and if we want to (and have time) I can play the TR4 segment from the recent episode of Classic Car Club on HD Theater. The clip is just under 5 min. long. For those DCTRA members that want to see the clip and won't be able to attend the Club meeting this evening I have converted the clip to Flash and put it on the Club's website. It's at the top of the videos on the Gallery page. FYI, the icon on the player between the time clock and the volume control will let you toggle the video from the small embedded window to full screen. http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=22 Also, Remember if you would like to have the site reflect your own car I am happy to make a custom theme based on your car. To see site using a theme based on other DCTRA members cars use the "Theme Switcher" on the top left hand menu. Once you select a theme the site will always appear to you using that selected theme. The "Default" theme is Jim Bauder's TR250. If you want your own theme just send along a nice photo of your car. Make sure to give me a bit of a wide shot so that I can position your car within the header image. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 14 17:00:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New member request Message-ID: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Hi everyone, We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, whatever, as an intro to everyone. Have a great day! Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 17:08:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <21D1EC2EE8C34005AF1617B5DB1FC2F4@Bud> I second..! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: [Fot] New member request > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. > (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > > Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the > list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting > emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little > about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, > whatever, as an intro to everyone. > > Have a great day! > > Susan :) > > -- > No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 19:14:23 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member request In-Reply-To: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He > also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. ;-) Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 19:44:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9659455AB5D74943A1199748A1FB7D83@Bud> I second the nomination! Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member request > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the >> FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. >> (He >> also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) >> >> I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his >> email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? >> > > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. > > ;-) > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 20:33:20 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating Message-ID: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 14 21:55:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run Message-ID: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. - Tony From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 09:11:07 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run In-Reply-To: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> References: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860904150811p15e90ec5x657ae0fd7342e36d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Tony, If you convert the video to mpeg4 (using h264) as the compression, it will end up looking pretty good on google or youtube. WMV to youtube or google does not work very well. If you want, I can convert the video for you. Let me know offline, and you can ftp it to me, and I will convert it and post it on my ftp site. -Mark On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 > > Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it > from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video > but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks > nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 15 06:30:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car Message-ID: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 15 19:13:26 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front seal Message-ID: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when I hope to replace it. Can anyone help? Thanks, Greg From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 19:07:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] front seal References: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <73251220B31B4CB489D0FC17029FB86B@Bud> Hi greg..for..what triumph? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] front seal >I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used > with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is > the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have > a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when > I hope to replace it. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 16 00:33:59 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare Message-ID: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 16 00:47:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:47:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car In-Reply-To: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> References: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Started sweating blood when you've left the track......great video and noise! Critics: Shorten the intro and show more tracktime ;-) 1.00 min into length is quite a lot with only one name on the credits ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 14:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 16 06:42:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:42:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare In-Reply-To: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony Thanks for sharing. Nice photos and video. It would be great to have someone post similar from each event throughout the year, for all who can't make the race. Sure hope someone is going to the Mitty... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: April 16, 2009 2:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 08:40:22 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 16 10:22:30 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Head mechanic- Couple things to think about... Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. Often off my rocker myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi,? ? ? So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? ? But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? ? So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? ? Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? ? Regards,? rml? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 16 10:43:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah. Been through this. I ended up shimming the rocker pedestals and shortening the pushrods. Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, wrote: > Head mechanic- > > Couple things to think about... > Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! > Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. > > Often off my rocker myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > To: Tim Hutchisen > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > > > Hi,? > ? > ? > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? > ? > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? > ? > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? > ? > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? > ? > Regards,? > rml? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? > ? > http://www.fot-racing.com? > ? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? > ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 10:53:12 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:53:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 10:54:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the advice. The pushrods should be all set, they are .120 shorter than stock. The former head was about .025 thicker - not a huge change. I'm 100% certain that the studs were bottomed in the holes less about 1/4 turn and the nuts are not bottoming on the unthreaded portion of the studs. I did check that. I'm a tad leery about trimming the existing studs, but I only gotta take off maybe one complete thread. I've done that plenty of times with trailing arm studs. Thanks again... Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 11:00:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:04:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <5CAFCDE94BF749678A8A60F5F8E50609@jdnet.deere.com> -- Randall > well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, Don't know if they have them in your area, Bob, but around here the "99 Cent" store chain usually has "reading" glasses for $.99. I bought an assortment of them in various strengths, and keep them scattered all over the place so I can grab a pair any time my eyes need a little help. Of course I've needed since I was 12, so it's not as big a blow to my ego to need a little help Randall From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:50:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos Message-ID: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. Thanks, M From KENMUN at aol.com Thu Apr 16 12:53:37 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:53:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: fot, thanks for all the responses. now i have a head id question for tr3/4. i've got 4 heads; 3 have 1 5/8" intakes and have the following cast into the top of the head; "a", "h29": "m"," p79 ": "m", "p286". the 4th has 1 1/2" intakes and cast "a", "302137" and a stamped "11395". anyone what the difference might be? thanks, ken m. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 16 13:03:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos In-Reply-To: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> References: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C92B19B-E264-4D31-890B-703AC88ACDF9@gt6.ca> Duct tape. A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 16-Apr-09, at 13:50, Mark Eginton wrote: > I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape > recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. > > Thanks, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Apr 16 16:45:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:45:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <19D6C8FE8286462CB09738C71E4C095E@GEOFFPC> Robert I have recently fitted a Goodparts ATI damper to my TR6 race car and found I had to reposition the motor back to clear the steering rack due to the damper sticking out from the block further than the standard . The motor revs very smoothly to 7500 with the damper. Over Easter I pulled 7300 down conrod straight at mount panarama. Strongly recommend full circle crank thrust washer if you are doing serious racing. Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Tim Hutchisen" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read > micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the > crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability > of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly > out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of > thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When > the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the > shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I > needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on > the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in > place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" > think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion > chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the > rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference > in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to > determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I > should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% > sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can > convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:32:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, Richard does make the best stuff so the damper fitment is no surprise. The arp studs are longer but have longer threads on the top end which allows for a thinner head. ARP lengh is 4.843 stock is 4.75. I run a lot thinner head 16.38/1 compression. The heads are at a machine shop so I can't measure them now. I do have to shave a little off of the top of the number 1 and number 12 stud because of clearance issues with Richards roller rocker pedestals. Change the studs out one at a time and you won't have to change the head gasket. Also pay close attention to ARP's torque specs, and check often. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:40 AM To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:38:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, It could be you have broken rings from detonation. I ran stock pistons with 14.5/1 with no broken piston ring problems until I put in a 110 main jet when I should have put in 120. I did get new (stronger) glasses to solve the jet problem.:-) Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:01 PM To: robert bownes Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 17:57:44 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <1A6C83246D5848BCB422E523C52DF37C@ComputerPC> Forget their moly lube! Use engine oil and torque them to the standard manual setting. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? > Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should > be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part > # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware > installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to > read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot > of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) > and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within > the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- > float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given > (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. > When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went > around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake > hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally > bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no > effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant > installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is > 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the > combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for > 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with > the rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the > difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm > trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of > those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or > clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone > can convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 19:25:09 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question Message-ID: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 16 19:32:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:32:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: busted ammeter is a pretty good guess. disconnect it and see what it does. On Apr 16, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or > so, I > noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge > remained > in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter > operated > normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work > on the > car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so > does anyone > have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 20:10:12 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Apr 16 20:58:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:58:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question (now studs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B82BF27-AF33-4800-B4DD-38FE1291B794@mac.com> Another option, now that you know overall length, is to call ARP's specialty department, (Ask for Jay Coombs), 805-525-1497. Tell him the specifics on OAL, thread and pitch, and he can look up if they have a specific part that matches your need. Sometimes someone else does a custom run of a specific stud close to, or exactly, your needs, and they have over-run units. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Mike Munson wrote: ARP leng th is 4.843 stock is 4.75. -----Original Message----- So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Apr 16 21:24:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:24:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: /fKCm53: Permission denied From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Apr 17 00:02:29 2009 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:02:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Wheel Options Message-ID: I9m sure this has been covered before, but rules have changed here in Australia so now I9m interested. We are now allowed to use 15 inch alloy wheels up to 5.5 inches wide (and the new Hoosier Speedster tyres). So I9m now looking for the most sensible choice of wheel. I know that Panasports are popular and I understand they make one in that size called the FS 1555. There also appears to be a Panasport agent here. But interested in your thoughts and possible alternatives. Wes Dayton (Sydney - TR3A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:08:13 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:08:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: List: AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is hangared. Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. Joe Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Fri Apr 17 09:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:44:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:44:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Same kind of place you find 500 miles of Open Road at Elkhart Lake. :-) > Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? > > Joe C. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 17 09:50:49 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:50:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:10:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9bf77$17d26e50$47774af0$@net> BIG BATHTUB or long one Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:51 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuy& src=platforma&adid=aolfooter&newurl=reg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 10:30:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:30:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Bill D Asked and Answered!.....you turn left or right...as long as there is water under you. BTW, Lee Buchanan is quite fit. He ran the 300 miles without a 'relief' driver. He couldnt get anyone to travel to Phoenix with him as relief driver. If I had known, I fear I might have volunteered...everyone should be fearful about that. Joe A > Joe... > > You drinking? > > Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? > > Bill (Damdinger) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Apr 17 11:04:29 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> References: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Message-ID: 600 laps around Firebird? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitlist at cox.net Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 11:47:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54629E238B3448B785F234434E44D99A@jdnet.deere.com> > busted ammeter is a pretty good guess I agree. Just wanted to add that with it disconnected, unless you jumper the wires together somehow, nothing else will work. -- Randall From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 13:42:36 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Anyone have a working Lucas Ammeter they'd like to sell? I need one for a 1969 TR6. The current dial face has white letters on black background and the needle pivots from the top between a C+ on the left and D- on the right of the gauge. Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement gauge. Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 14:52:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter In-Reply-To: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement > gauge. If appearance is not critical, any standard 2" (or sometimes called 2-1/16") gauge will fit and work. Not sure how likely your FLAPS is to carry them, but the on-line stores seem to still have them. For example http://tinyurl.com/cspkk4 I'd offer you an old TR3 Lucas ammeter, but I doubt they look the same as your TR6. -- Randall From BLD4139 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 17:12:00 2009 From: BLD4139 at aol.com (BLD4139 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 21:20:28 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <004701c9c09d$ca0fee90$5e2fcbb0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Thanks to all who responded to my request for a replacement ammeter for my TR6. As usual, FOT has come through and I have a gauge on the way. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 19 05:32:48 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Message-ID: <456511.13037.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a Hoosier Speedster 205x15 that they could sell me? I chunked one at VIR last weekend. Thanks Dennis From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 08:39:46 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! ( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... 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( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 19 09:35:32 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090419113532.FEEEV.776818.imail@eastrmwml36> A similar thing happened to me as I was returning from the VTR in Dallas a couple of years ago. I was towing my double deck trailer with two Spits on it and the Texas DPS trooper thought I was hauling them commercially. I quick look at all the stuff I had in my tow rig convinced him otherwise. Joe C. ---- norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. > > > > BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! > > > > Jim Norlin From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 10:30:02 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Message-ID: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Apr 19 10:38:06 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49EB536E.7020504@bright.net> Jim, tail housing breakage can be caused by misalignment of front and rear mountings. Example, if the front motor mounts are bolted firmly into place and the trans mount doesn't want to "lineup" it's pretty easy to force the gearbox one direction or another to attach the mounts. We always found it best to set engine and gearbox in place with mount bolts loose. Shake the engine around a bit and let is settle where is wants. Then tighten the mounts. Also, using a GT6 rear "over the tail housing strap" will help. Ted norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 > gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I > remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm > pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced > when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you > recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or > add an intermediate mount or?? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 19 11:21:07 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 12:24:31 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <268693164.3338151240165471219.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Drive shaft balance and alignment are the two reasons I've seen for the tailshaft housing to crack.B I've had this issue too. Also check your mounting mechanism.B If you run solid mounts for the front engine mounts ensure you use a solid mount for the rear engine mount.B I solid mount the diff, gearbox and engine and after I switched from the poly mounts on the rear/gearbox mount to a solid mount I haven't cracked a tailshaft housing in 4 years. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: norlinengineering at comcast.net, Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:21:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Gearbox woes Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B B This happened last year as well.B B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 17:29:03 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name Message-ID: Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 17:45:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mosport? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of rob Sent: April 19, 2009 7:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] track name Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 19 18:21:31 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Early Saloon gearbox parts Message-ID: Amici, I just tore down an old saloon style box numbered 14G54 just to get a thrust washer. What a strange beast. It has a dipstick hole in the shifter top. Long loose needle bearings in the layshaft and linkage on the side. Reverse gear has TWO sets of gears? I don't kbnow what it is but if there are any old TR types looking for these bits they are available gratis. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 19 18:28:22 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:28:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Message-ID: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 48246 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Apr 19 18:46:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: 828-692-5665 or 828-489-2933 Nice guy. He helped me out one time when a friend was in need of parts for his TR4. He met us at his shop on a Saturday night when he was supposed to be at a party. While at his shop some people showed up with beer and a party ensued there among a GT6 racecar project and several supercharged spits and TRs. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:28 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:50:48 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205048.23949.3@webmail05.dca.untd.com> My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:56:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:56:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205639.23949.4@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Well that link did not work, so how about this one? Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Apr 19 19:04:19 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Apr 19 20:35:10 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:35:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Gearbox woesGT6 Message-ID: When our late GT6+ had the output shaft fail in the spline area for the propshaft flange, I discovered that the GT6 MK3 shaft and tail hsg were stronger, and I believe that the rear Brg is larger. Good luck finding these pieces. I do have the MK3 parts books. Hardy In a message dated 4/19/2009 10:01:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) From: norlinengineering at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From gp89 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 03:39:28 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 2:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090420053928.B8GB3.1172778.root@mp05> I had a friend with a laith make up a puller like the one A.P.T. shoes on their web site. It's real simple, two pieces machined to fit the inside of the bearing with a shoulder to push the edge through the block on a threaded rod. If those bearings look ok I would leave them. They only have a couple of races on them. Jeff ---- Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 11:55:46 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <49ECB722.4060008@charter.net> Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Joe I've installed many but always used the required tools. Lisle makes a good one. Do you have any contacts at a local community college or high school auto shop. I'm sure they have one gathering dust. If you were local to Ann Arbor, Michigan I have access to the tool. Glenn 72 Spit Racer From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 13:32:00 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:32:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <48675462E9A34AEABF2ACFD72DC718B6@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Joe I agree with using the proper tool for the job. I would not run without the bearings. As far as cam choice goes, I'd think that the A7 would be good for autocross. I've not run one, but I have used the A6 and am currently using the A8. Neither the A6 or A8 are much good below 4500 rpm. The A6 taps out around 6500 while the A8 will go quite a bit higher. The A6 cam is streetable, but just barely. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Apr 20 13:46:37 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DOT: Any truck that you see with a DOT number has gone though the following; All drivers are on a drug testing program, Driver history has been checked for the last 3-5 years, A min. of 1 Million dollar lib. Insur. policy, annual inspections on truck and trailer(s), permits for each state you travel(based of weight) and in some states a Motor carrier permit is required if transporting autos and the list goes on............ and the best part !!! The feds change the law every 90 days. happy motoring Tony Garmey > From: BLD4139 at aol.com > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 -0400 > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT > > Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the > trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection > for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with > that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to > get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are > wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT > inspections?....Thanks... > > Mike DiCola > VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 20 14:05:14 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:05:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, horizonracing at msn.com writes: > and the best part !!! The > feds change the law every 90 days. > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you pay for. What if they were efficient? Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) From bownes at seiri.com Mon Apr 20 14:28:09 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was a while back, but the MoHud Region of SCCA had a NYS trooper in to give us a presentation on this and similar subjects a few years ago. He was very forthright in his descriptions, and said 'Essentially if you are transporting something and are getting paid to transport it by a third party (more than just gas money) you are a commercial carrier and should go through all the associated legalities." He further went on to say that hauling a race car to/from the track where it is leased or rented out would also not count as commercial.' He further went on to say that, however, if you are hauling fuel and the like (compressed gasses etc) in your trailer, you are 'in general', because you are not commercial, you are not required to have permits, special license endorsements or placards. But that the NYSP and the fire departments sure would look on a placard as helpful. It was a great presentation in which he pretty much summed up how to relate to being pulled over as 'if what you are doing is legal, (unsaid was "or mostly so"), you're polite and not a jerk, you'll be all set. Cops generally don't give you a hard time if you don't deserve it.' And if they do give you a hard time, go see the judge. They know which guys are jerks and love to smack them down. iii On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, > horizonracing at msn.com writes: > > >> and the best part !!! The >> feds change the law every 90 days. >> > > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you > pay for. What if they were efficient? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 20 21:37:42 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701c9c232$871937e0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Just a note to say "thank you" to all the FOT members who wrote with advice - too many to mention by name! Lots of good advice was given, and offers of help were extended. All was appreciated. This advice from Mr. Kastner was all I needed to hear - as it said it all. "No matter what advice you get do not install a large bearing cam that is a race grind. The valve spring pressure required for the cam will tear up the block as the block will not withstand the revs and pressure with cast iron on cast iron. Have the machine shop install the bearings to fit to the race cam bearing diameter. Way way cheaper in the long run or even the short run :-) By the way, that is a very good cam and better than most even now." I'll be having a tool machined for me, or will have a machine shop install the cam bearings. I'll chalk up the cost and lost time as payment for the knowledge I've gained. One bit of knowledge that I'm sure everyone on the list has learned is to stop working when you are tired. I ruined a $45 set of tri-metal main bearings for my street Spit one weekend, and a cheap set of cam bearings on the race Spit on another weekend. Both mistakes would have been avoided if I wasn't rushing to get the jobs done and over tired from trying to shoehorn wrench time into my schedule. I knew better, but not having even ONE Spitfire for the "Airport Speed Run" I'm running for our local Brit car club this weekend has really hammered the lesson home. If I keep learning these lessons, someday I'm going to be REALLY smart. Of course, I'll have to live until I'm 200 years old... Joe G From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 08:47:23 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1703216926.563401240411578289.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had their Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for not complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed commercial driver showed up to take it away. There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered commercial. I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a toter on the Pennsylvania turnpike. The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and explorer to tow with aaron johnson #87 HP spitfire 1500 southern illinois region scca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jaboruch at netzero.net Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:56:39 PM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico City / Monterrey Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Well that link did not work, so how about this one? B Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. B If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. B See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. B Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 22 09:15:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very compromised vehicle. On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > their > Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona > for not > complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > commercial > driver showed up to take it away. > > > > There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the > requirements.B > Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > commercial. > > > > I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > toter on > the Pennsylvania turnpike. > > > > The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > explorer to > tow with > > > > aaron johnson From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 12:12:35 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty and Import Carlisle Message-ID: <49EF5E13.7060003@bright.net> Hello list. We have had some requests to bring specific parts to both the Walter Mitty vintage race at Road Atlanta and also to Import Carlisle. If you need parts brought to either event, please let me know as soon as you can. We are leaving for the Mitty on Wednesday, April 29. Will be in the vendor area on top of the hill. Apparel and parts both at the Mitty. We have a white, flip open side vendor trailer, with parts tables out front. For Import Carlisle -- will be in spaces E64 and 65. Will be there Thursday through Saturday with a canopy, no vendor trailer. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Apr 22 15:07:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that trailer." Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." And he went back to his car and drove off. We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >> their >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for >> not >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >> commercial >> driver showed up to take it away. >> >> >> >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >> commercial. >> >> >> >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >> toter on >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >> >> >> >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >> explorer to >> tow with >> >> >> >> aaron johnson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 17:37:50 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <49EFAA4E.10002@bright.net> Rocky and list. Interesting thread. We tow a lot and have for many years. The one thing we never do is put a name on tow vehicle or trailer. As soon as there is a name, the appearance screams "commercial". Then you get all the fun of scales, different plates, changes of insurance and more. Same thing goes for DOT #. For the small amount of fuel $$ savings in some states, the grief of filing reports, going over scales, having a log book, etc far exceeds any saving on fuel price. Ted Rocky Entriken wrote: > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS > you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you > out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that > image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious > Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required > to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on > that trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, > I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking > about." And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after > I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say > "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a > car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears > truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > >> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a >> bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and >> buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without >> special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I >> don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot >> airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. >> I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had >> one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very >> compromised vehicle. >> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >>> their >>> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona >>> for not >>> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >>> commercial >>> driver showed up to take it away. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the >>> requirements.B >>> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >>> commercial. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >>> toter on >>> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >>> >>> >>> >>> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >>> explorer to >>> tow with >>> >>> >>> >>> aaron johnson >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2075 - Release Date: 04/22/09 17:25:00 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 22 17:56:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <052a01c9c3a5$eaeeaba0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you > are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, > although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- > trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But > mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that > trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can > show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." > And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went > to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under > 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and > carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. > Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > > >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit > >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig > >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training > >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special > >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive > >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows > >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that > >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > > > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > >> their > >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for > >> not > >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > >> commercial > >> driver showed up to take it away. > >> > >> > >> > >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B > >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > >> commercial. > >> > >> > >> > >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > >> toter on > >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. > >> > >> > >> > >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > >> explorer to > >> tow with > >> > >> > >> > >> aaron johnson > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 21:19:26 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:19:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:16:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! ==AM== It used to be somewhat like that in New York, where only passenger cars were allowed on certain limited-access "Parkways" such as the Taconic State Parkway. Years ago, enterprising owners of sedan deliveries would cut the sides and put small windows in to qualify for regular passenger car registrations. In recent years, though, New York has allowed those "passenger" registrations on smaller pickups and vans if the owner so desires. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) From jibjib at att.net Wed Apr 22 22:49:57 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Guys, how about those "Not For Hire" stickers I see on some larger two vehicles? Jack From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 23 06:34:19 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 23 08:08:33 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <20090423140834444.KDGS23317@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps > and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water > out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no > water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is > baffled. Have you checked for exhaust gas in the radiator? If it's getting exhaust gas, then you know it's a leakage problem and can concentrate on that area. If not, then you know to look elsewhere, like the lower hose getting sucked closed; or plain old overheating of course. The tool to check for exhaust gas in the radiator is only about $75 new, I found a lightly used one on eBay for $25. Or any radiator shop should be able to do the test for you for about $15. (This one looks like the chemical is getting old, it's just an example of what I'm talking about) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310137095816 Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:02:47 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps leading up to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all large air bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the engine is running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the shaft. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:10:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:10:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <3671F34959C84368842D7B45F6342E01@Bud> Hi randall.....a couple of things that happened on my 1296 spitfire race car.....I was losing water from the FREEZE PLUG BEHIND THE WATER PUMP HOUSING(not a visible plug).....this would overheat the engine and then the overheating would fill the catch can..eventually I cooked the engine and cracked the head.. Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 23 10:17:50 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <96C61F50-6B8C-476C-A490-8BC1EF5A0D62@bnj.com> The first thing I always think of is a hose on the suction side collapsing. On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps > leading up > to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all > large air > bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the > engine is > running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the > shaft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > > > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills > the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket > issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. > Everyone > I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have > this > keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:28:41 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:28:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Apr 23 10:45:33 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:45:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <200904231045562.SM02948@[166.70.182.40]> I would think the radiator cap rating would have to depend on the radiator that Craig is running. If it is a Triumph radiator I don't think the radiator would last long using a cap rated for 20 lbs. Just a thought........ Brad -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com Sent 4/23/2009 6:28:41 AM To: Billb at bnj.com, norlinengineering at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:50:52 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: Does the temp go up pretty quick before this happens.?....yu may have a air pocket in the rear head ..very common unless you can fill from higher point or rad is higher than head...yu can use the plug hole at RR of top of head to bleed ,or an expansion tank(best) above the head level...yu need something higher than the head to keep this from happening ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 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(http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 23 11:21:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:21:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <49F0A37D.4070900@dfn.com> Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > If the engine isn't overheating until the loss of coolant is excessive, have done all the checks to rule out leaking exhaust gases pressurizing the system, etc., I would take a long, hard look at the water pump. I once had a similar problem, and it turned out that the seal was worn in such a way that it would not leak coolant, but, would suck outside air in. At first, it was very perplexing, but, once the pump was replaced, the problem disappeared. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 15:24:41 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:24:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 Message-ID: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 23 15:30:17 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:30:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire Message-ID: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It looks nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter and the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger side where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to look any further at it. I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for another restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email them if anyone is interested. Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. NFI. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUY6uoqcBXAyMTzrOmJA45AG pjZ71PpyCF0xKRjrYgucTBB2LXv24/ From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 23 21:39:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:39:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperforma nceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold NO pressure. I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 24 04:42:46 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire References: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8DA08DC3BAF84976B05589EC48AA1FDA@userb38463fba5> What he meant by "Selling for a friend" is that if he sells it for that price the guy will be his friend for life! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire >I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. > Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It > looks > nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of > sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter > and > the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger > side > where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. > Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to > look > any further at it. > I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for > another > restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email > them > if anyone is interested. > Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: > $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior > VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing > errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep > checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised > please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or > longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. > NFI. Joe(B) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 24 09:47:19 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: In a message dated 04/23/2009 10:39:55 PM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you > run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the > modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold > NO pressure. > You're talking to one when you talk to me. Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 type radiator cap, which accommodates that deep neck. I worked for me, when I sheepishly discovered the issue half way through a racing season with my early TR3. We had been trying different pressure rated radiator caps in an effort to solve an over heating problem, and didn't realize we needed to be sure and use a deep cap. Bill Dentinger ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Apr 24 14:33:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:33:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers Message-ID: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 24 14:56:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01E4041E9EAB4980902B36243A098DD6@jdnet.deere.com> > Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 > type radiator cap, Although that will work, IMO a better solution is to have your local radiator shop put on a standard neck. Makes it much easier to try different pressures, and cost me less than $20. Plus personally I am fond of the "Lev-R-Vent" type caps that allow you to vent the system first without having to turn the cap. Less force involved means less likely to crack that long neck where it joins the radiator. Of course then you have to remember not to put a stock TR3 cap back on ... -- Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 24 16:00:24 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers Message-ID: <7FA5B8E0A4AF4EEB8B1BEDEB91EDAB5B@RobPC> Hello everyone Is there any advantage to pluging the tube that allows air to flow form one carb to the other on the webber manafold Pluging this hole would make each a true individual runner thanks rob From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 16:13:17 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 In-Reply-To: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> References: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5457602BDE68429C8927EBCBD1F8D513@bkolnzPC> Hey Scott, Yes,,, I am currently running the R888's @ 205 on my '72 FP Spitfire 1300. Ran the same set last year on my old '63 1147 MKI, unshaved and with an open diff. I was very happy with their performance, and by Sunday of the 3rd day at TWS pushed them pretty hard in an attempt to find the limit. That didn't happen because I'm still a newbie in this car. (came up in a E36 M3 that I personally prepared for light track duty and ran RA1's shaved, which I loved dry and wet)... Probably have right at 12 heat cycles in them with well over 5/32 tread left, but the '72 has a welded diff., and Ed Barnard, who is doing all the heavy wrenching on the car tells me that will change, and that I may get as little as two 3 day events out of them. I was the first in my run grupe to try the 888's but think there will be more this year. I just hope Toyo doesn't stop production of this size!!! First event for the #8 is CVAR's Spring event at Eagles Canyon Raceway just west of Denton, TX. Cmon down and play with us!! Great circuit..... Bill Collins #8 FP '72 Spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 16:24 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 > wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? > Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 24 19:50:48 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:50:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Hi all, Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? Anything else we should know? Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! Thanks, Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 25 08:54:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:54:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty In-Reply-To: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> References: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Message-ID: <49F32439.207@mindspring.com> Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all, > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > Anything else we should know? > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > Thanks, > Susan :) > Susan, I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. I hope to catch up with you there. Mike 404-316-1583 cell From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:12:13 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 25 15:37:29 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:37:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> Message-ID: My 4 forced water out on very long high speed straights where you go over 5500 rpm for about 30-40 sec. For this reason I now install a different water pump that is supplied by Moss and has 6 flaps with a nicer shape than the stock pump. I believe that this will cure the high speed problem. Maybe a similar problem with your engine? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2009 05:39 An: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold NO pressure. I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:56:32 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:56:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 25 16:45:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> References: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49F39275.2090103@bradakis.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. > Wow, I didn't know you had an overhead cam engine in your GT6 - cool! I'm surprised that the Dolly Sprint ones are different than TR7. Luckily the ones from the 7 are the same as several Lotus applications, so when it is time to adjust the valves on one of the local Lotus cars I can get the pucks at a wholesale Triumph price instead of Lotus retail! mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Apr 25 17:53:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sprint valve shims (pucks) In-Reply-To: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> References: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> Message-ID: The diameter of the pucks is .600, and they're about .170" thick....................Cheers Henry > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:18:03 +1000 > From: trrace at jeack.com.au > To: dos_gusanos at msn.com > Subject: Sprint valve shims (pucks) > > Hi Henry ,my name is Chris Swingler from Australia , I owned and raced > the Group 44 Tr7 for 22 years and have built many sprint engines and > some 2 valve engines,both engines use same shims (nominal 5/8 diameter) > It sounds like you may have non standard valve caps,What is the diameter > of your Pucks? > All the best > Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:08:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:08:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: The Group 44 cars will be gridded in a tent in the paddock. We run the rest of teh spectator activites out of a huge tent on top of the hill. Please make sure you look me up and plan on attending our 25th Anniiversary party in that tent on Saturday night... live band, free beer etc. Should be a fun weekend and the forecast looks good so far. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 4/25/09 9:56:26 AM, fasttrs at mindspring.com writes: > Susan Kahler wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > > Anything else we should know? > > > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > > > Thanks, > > Susan :) > > > Susan, > > I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. > Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared > to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to > the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the > bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of > Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is > also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to > turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. > Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. > I hope to catch up with you there. > > Mike > 404-316-1583 cell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Apr 25 20:48:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:48:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: I asked the people here for you...watch for the answer. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: April 25, 2009 5:12 PM To: dos_gusanos at msn.comdos_gusanos@msn.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Apr 25 21:37:27 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:37:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Apr 25 23:23:10 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:23:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race car - $13500 (San Diego/Carlsbad) Message-ID: <49F3EFBE.9060107@greenheart.com> Just saw this on craigslist.... passing it on. --Justin http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1139331562.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 04:03:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that webers could be used in rally work. if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson does. i know that it is referred to in some books. joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Vucinic To: FOT Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Apr 26 07:51:34 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers References: Message-ID: Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:10:25 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260810w7c30c7abv4a21f08a159b23fd@mail.gmail.com> Dear Listers: Kas was kind enough to supply me with copies of the original FIA homologation papers which show Webers as an option and alternate piston sizes. I have bound copies for some of the So Cal guys but can supply copies (I do not know how to attach them to these posts) to anyone that sends me an email address. John Nikas On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:39:56 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260839p3a627850p39f14cd19be9b6c1@mail.gmail.com> Here they are: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:03 AM, wrote: > as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that > webers could be used in rally work. > > if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson > does. > > i know that it is referred to in some books. > > joe a? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > To: FOT > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > > > > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TR4 Homologation133 .pdf] From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 09:42:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:42:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: ah yes...the Graham Robson years...I stand corrected. From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 15:23:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris Message-ID: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! Racer Bud Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris check this video out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowsjag at aol.com To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: 275 GTB / Paris I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth another listen....and look Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way streets. Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:02:03 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:02:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Thats exactly what I was looking for! The 1963 papers show the 45DCOE Weber's. That fixes my problem for sure! Thanks very much for your kind assistance. Much appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 7:29 AM To: 'Peter Vucinic' Subject: AW: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Maybe helpful. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. April 2009 05:37 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:04:23 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:04:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, Thanks for that. Appreciate your help Cheers... -----Original Message----- From: TR4Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:52 PM To: Peter Vucinic; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 20:39:51 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris In-Reply-To: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> References: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> Message-ID: <49F51AF7.5050407@verizon.net> Ah yes /Rendevous, /a wonderful film. But, as with most things in film, the truth is not what it seems. The car used was actually Claude Lelouch's personal Mercedes 450 6.9, and he was the driver, not some F1 ace as has been rumored. The Mercedes is a pretty quick car in it's own right and the camera hung off the front end inches from the ground multiplies the speed effect. The sound is overdubbed and if you watch closely, the sound track doesn't match the action. Additionally, some intrepid soul mapped the route from the film and then was able to calculate the actual speeds traveled. While they were over the speed limit, they were not astronomical. Even so, it's still a very cool little film. Cheers, Kurt O. (Who once took a taxi ride from the airport to a hotel in Paris that felt a lot faster than that!) RACER BUD wrote: > CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! > Racer Bud > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM > Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris > > > check this video out! > Racer bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowsjag at aol.com > To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; > lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; > pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; > stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; > wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: 275 GTB / Paris > > > I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth > another listen....and look > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > > > >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch > mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and > had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed > through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for > technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, > through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. > > No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. > > The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 > MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, > dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I > think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way > streets. > > Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. > He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went > underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go > full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single > beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try > to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12250 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 21:14:19 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net spring cleaning Message-ID: <20090427031419.F06C72E090@bradakis.com> Kind of a cool and rainy Easter here in Salt Lake, no garage work but spending some time with the computers. I'm shuffling some stuff around, updating some software and so on, will be working at it for a while. So if you experience an hour or two of no connection with Team.Net don't worry about it too much, it is just me working on stuff. For those who are not aware, this list and all the others [ see http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo ] are run by some grumpy old curmudgeon using a rag-tag batch of hardware set up in my basement office. I didn't run an official spring fund drive this year which helps to defray my out of pocket expenses to keep it all going, but if you have a dollar or two available to support the whole thing, see http://www.team.net/donate.html Thanks, mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 27 10:59:10 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: <000001c9c759$a7333ea0$f599bbe0$@com> We are planning on getting a HANS device. There was a vendor at Watkins last September and I am wondering if there will be a vendor at any of the VSCDA events this year or at Elkhart Lake at the SVRA events? I'm only about 60 miles from Pegasus in Milwaukee and can go there but thought maybe an "at track" vendor might be having "special" pricing. Thanks. What have you been paying for race gas this Spring? Just got some at the local circle track supplier (a Tri-Par filling station in Slinger, WI) and the price was $6.50/gal. for 111 octane leaded. I was told this was last Fall's price because they only get about two tanks a year and this is still last Fall's gas. Thanks again. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 27 13:49:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:49:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Message-ID: List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone is interested. The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial product will be available within a few weeks. I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 17:51:24 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:51:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: Typically there are not "Specials" on the Hans Devices. If you happen to be somewhere and are dropping major dollars on suit, shoes, helmet, etc. you "MIGHT" get 10%. At least that has been my experience when pricing them. Frankly after uncle jack and a couple of others last year I just bit the bullet and bought one. Even if I am worth more dead I don't think my wife would appreciate an early exit if I could have prevented it by driving sanely and wearing proper protection. Not sure what others are seeing but $6.50 a gallon for 111 leaded doesn't sound bad to me. Cheers, Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 #69 Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= Aprilfooter427NO62) From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 27 19:53:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: <49F66185.1090109@bradakis.com> Hmmm..... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:51:15 -0500 (CDT) From: tboyd at adlmail.com I bought an engine that was pulled from a Triumph factory race team car in 1975. The motor came from a hill climb car that was disassembled when British Leyland closed their completion department. My plan was to install it in a 66 Spitfire after upgrading the brakes, suspension and cooling. To make a long story short, the car was mostly completed but this motor was never installed. I was told before I bought it that a connecting rod bearing had spun but only light damage was done to the crankshaft. The pistons and connecting rods were lost in a move but I still have everything else. The cylinder head has double springs and alloy retainers. I was told that the competition dept shop had over 60 hours of bench time polishing and setting up this part. I also have the camshaft which is hand-stamped "Kastner S-2". I'm told this is a great cam for performance but still satisfactory for street driving. Its pretty obvious after 30 plus years that I'm not going to put this engine back together. If someone could use vintage racing parts with a little history and is willing to pay a fair price, please drop me a note. The car is still gathering dust in the wayback of the garage but that story is probably best left for another time. Car and parts are garage stored in Southeastern Minnesota. From Robertten1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 20:12:58 2009 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: Is this a 1147 1300 engine ? Curious, Bob T. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Apr 28 05:43:11 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:43:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ Message-ID: I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the worst thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, Dave Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in the car Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to go through that again. I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 06:10:26 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:10:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3AB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Racers, I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my failure I do have concerns... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 07:53:51 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904280653o714e273fw53fd5c18ee91ef75@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to the ugly world of TR6 engines. I have spun thee berings [one at a time]. My recommendations: dry coat the bearings nitirde the crank install racestorations aluminum sump [helps stiffen the bloc] and adds a deeper pan,windage tray and more oil capacity install racestorations kit to stiffen the crank bearing retainers and replace the aluminum rear oil seal hod;ler with a steel one install an accusump plumb an external oil feed to the numberone galley plug from a T-fitting. one end goes to the accusump,one to galley and one to another T on the return line from the oil cooler [I actually have a block and feed numbers 1,2 and 3 externally].You need a one way valve after the cooler and before the T. Drill the holes in the rear of the block that feed the galley out to 1/8 inch I know itis too late for any of this for Mittyso I hope it holds together for you [though you could get that line to number one galley and if I were you I would. Wish you the best of luck -- and hope having done all these things my engine stays together this year. Chuck 425-241-0457 On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:43 AM, wrote: > I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things > solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago > Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the > worst > thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, > Dave > Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us > another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working > until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in > the car > Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. > Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, > we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to > go through that again. > > I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > ; > bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:09:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:09:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <24150739.1240942158271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 12:15:52 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <001d01c9c82d$558cb2fe$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Steve, Is this a TR3/4 motor? What rods are you using? Thanks! Henry Frye - Sent via Phone 860.508.3118 -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:42:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >It's a TR3 with Carillo rods and a race-prepped stock crankshaft. I was given the teflon pieces and a tube of blue dye. I attached everything on the stand and rotated the motor. Where the blue die rubbed onto the teflon, I trimmed with an X-acto. again and again until the crank made no contact with the teflon. With all of those little nuts and washers used to space out the screen and the tray, I made sure everything was tight and wouldn't come apart inside the sump. Could you imagine a dozen little flat washers dumping into the oil? Not sure if it would be picked up in the filter. Anyway, the whole setup took about 6 months to get and was extremely well made. It seems that tons of guys run the scrapers in Miatas and in many other applications. There's only one way to find out if the scraper is the culprit and I'm eager to know what you learn when you tear down the motor. > >~Steve > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Henry Frye >>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 11:15 AM >>To: steve , Henry Frye , fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: RE: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>Steve, >> >>Is this a TR3/4 motor? >> >>What rods are you using? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Henry Frye - Sent via Phone >>860.508.3118 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM >>To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. >> >>~Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Henry Frye >>>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >>>To: fot at autox.team.net >>>Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >>> >>>Racers, >>> >>>I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >>>run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >>>combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >>>ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >>>failure I do have concerns... >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 13:42:37 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1968 GT6 available References: <3050D1FB-7873-4D03-A18D-4D11A8B6B7E9@recatalyst.com> Message-ID: Ralph Steinberg of Cloverleaf Auto (an active VRG racer, though with a Jag) introduced me to what seems to be a nice GT6 for sale. I have no financial interest in this, or time to play with it myself, but it sounds like a nice project for someone. "1968 Triumph GT6, one owner car being sold by original owner's daughter. Car located in Lancaster PA. Solid original car, showing 19,008 miles but believed closer to 40K, odometer not working. The car was last run in Summer 2007 and has been worked on by Cloverleaf Auto (Ralph Steinberg) who did the brakes, clutch, hydraulics and rebuilt the trans in 2004, and did some work on it to achieve PA inspection in 2007, with tires, battery and rebuilding the carbs. Ralph reports that the paint is tired but the car is solid with no rust issues (photos indicate it's faded red and has some surface rust where the paint has failed), chrome is so-so and the interior needs carpets and headliner. It has not been run since sumer 2007. Great car to restore. Please contact Rebekah Liddle for more info and photos at liddle1127 at hotmail.com. Asking $3,000." From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 28 18:06:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ From m-syork at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 18:35:42 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c9c862$6e18f790$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> Bill I stopped by Tony Garmey's about 3 weeks ago to look at the progress he made on my TR3 and saw Peyote, man it looks great. I got to help Tony with patching the cutout around the exhaust header; I drank 6 beers: 2-Guinness, 3-Dos Equis, and a Bud Light and smashed them for fender patches (had bad gas all night, must have been the toasted cheese sandwich I had for dinner). See you at Spring Sprints! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 28 19:09:29 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9FC66C9A5301492FB154BAF303455E1B@joepentiumnew> Pretty indeed. I love the way that there appears to be no compound curves. It makes fabricating new panels much easier. Lets see how long you can keep all that shiny metal straight. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 29 12:37:12 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From smockracer at charter.net Wed Apr 29 12:52:49 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 29 14:10:56 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA@RA Message-ID: <546371.73701.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - Does anyone racing with SVRA at RA on May 15-17 have an extra crew pass or passes? Myself and friends Irv and Ernie will be spectating and consuming wine and cheese in the Triumph paddock. Dennis DeLap From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 15:18:03 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Now Spit Chassis Dyno In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8C40B.9030302@charter.net> Speaking of Velocity Stacks, Does anyone out there have a set of 1 1/2" SU Velocity Stacks for a Spitfire?? I've been looking at the usual sources and having trouble finding a set. Also looking for a low restriction foam air filters for the same. Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in > the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. > > I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone > is interested. > > The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. > The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial > product will be available within a few weeks. > > I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 17:00:08 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Message-ID: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 29 18:34:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:34:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markvaden at gmail.com writes: I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) From john at race-dogs.com Wed Apr 29 18:38:54 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <000501c9c92c$0a084d30$800101df@jawsxp> We'll see you there in the Silver Bullet!! John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing weekend > Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! > > > In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markvaden at gmail.com writes: > > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: >> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend >> >> >>> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name >>> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and > Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double > click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=3A867281BF.22B73 From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 29 19:00:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:00:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: <21966022.1241053250675.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'll be there as a spectator only but instead of my TR3, I'm bringing my 1-year old kid, future racing driver, Elias! Wish I could bring the car too :( ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 19:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRAZY NYC MESSENGERS BIKE RACE... Message-ID: <747503B2509F470D9604E37841CD0382@Bud> You've gotta love this video link...it's bicycle stuff, but fits perfectly well with the mindset of the Wild..and..Wild at Heart....Which...Thankfully....WE ARE BABY!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:36 PM http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/214250/685132 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 19:07:12 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904291807n30374054m4ea6e2e3f68f29c6@mail.gmail.com> Just be careful when you pass my friend. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: > > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > > > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name > >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 21:56:32 2009 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470214.30183.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll be there, and I bringing Clifford. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 11:37 AM Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Apr 30 07:31:25 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 I-J scraper In-Reply-To: <4D1DC294-2C20-4471-843F-8AE58A2DB74E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3CE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I recently asked for input from TR3/4 racers who have run the I-J scraper/windage screen combo. Thanks to all that responded. My concern was the lifters appear to have taken a beating in the short time this engine was run, and I was wondering if the I-J scraper/windage combo might be too effective at reducing the windage cloud, robbing the cam and lifters of needed lubrication. My concern appears to be unfounded. YMMV... From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:14:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031517.ADBBF1878A0@autox.team.net> I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:18:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031833.053611880A5@autox.team.net> Sorry - these are for TR-3 / 4 with bolt on ring gear. You can see them here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Jack_Parts.htm - Tony >Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 >To: Amici Triumphi >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Lightened ring gear > >I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The >machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a >time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the >ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these >done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable >level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get >a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... > >- Tony Drews From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 02:49:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 Message-ID: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please contact Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: Andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Sent: 3/31/2009 7:34:39 PM Subject: tr2 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR2 history.jpg] From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 03:07:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr2 history wanted Message-ID: FOT is not accepting the attachment History desired for: the car is # ts7687L built 8/19/55..shipped black body with blue interior shipped to San Fran bay Area Bought in 1998 from Doug Taber in Pebblr Beach Ca. bought in 1997 from John sariballs of Lafayette, Ca. who had done a frame off restoration at that time due to an accident..current owner, Mike Andrews has no history of the car before that.... car has 4 SU carbs please ask me for photos... or ask Mike Andrews...FOT removes the photos from my email. any info can be sent to Mike Andrews at andrewsdesign at earthlink.net Thanks Racer Bud From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 09:16:35 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> John: Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Nikas Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 09:39:52 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <000001c9b2dc$d98cea90$8ca6bfb0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090401163919.0DB78187660@autox.team.net> The description on line says: "Penny Mallory puts the Aston Martin V8 under the spotlight, Edd China visits a classic Austin taxi collector and Tony Mason enjoys a classic car show." while the Cox Cable Guide for Thursday mentions the TR4 along with the Austin and the Aston. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=66.15823.111950.29017.9 At 08:16 AM 4/1/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >John: > >Regarding item 1, the show with the TR4 segment aired earlier this week. It >was a good segment which included a spirited ride through the English >countryside. These programs are regularly repeated so if you did not see, >check back with HD Theater and you'll no doubt find it. > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of John Nikas >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:42 PM >To: Fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > >Gentlemen: > >Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but >believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this >Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 >will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be >all bad. > >Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into >this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) >was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall >of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be >here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who >classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la >Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and >races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed >Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine >man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > >Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed >extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph >Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 >Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still >trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and >although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine >addition. > >Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and >Smock) second these? > >-- >Very truly yours, > >John Nikas >Cape Coventry Racing >www.capecoventryracing.com >(949) 375-6306 >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jfrymark at aol.com Wed Apr 1 13:33:51 2009 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:33:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations Message-ID: John, Mordy will give you 10% on your next Gasket Works order. You'll pay full price, but get .9 of the product ordered. He'll call it a performance enhancement. As my cowboy father-in-law says, there are now so many racing TR4s now in SoCal "we're gonna have to spray for 'em!" John Frymark From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:02:27 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26E2CD40-D125-4E93-80CF-8157E7F8EB0C@gmail.com> It sounds like we have enough already, but I will second or third. Both are great guys. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:41 PM, John Nikas wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox > Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on > this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the > Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR > cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance > into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or > the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur > should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify > them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) > and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently > displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is > a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented > Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year > in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income > while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani > and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis > and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 15:08:12 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body work/ no lbc Message-ID: <0B1666D23D0042A68865743E12C6EAF5@RobPC> My kid is stationed in Norfolk Va and was just rear ended in his 2000 honda S2000 he's fine the car needs front and rear damage repair Is there any one in the area that can recomend a body shop. Hes getting deployed soon and it may make more scence for me to go get the car and have the repair done in Boston.Storage for 9 mths was going to be an issue any way thanks for the help Dad From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 17:31:58 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:31:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Very cool video Message-ID: <20090402003157.BAA2D187653@autox.team.net> This is a helmet cam from one of our faster 125 Shifter drivers (he came in 1st or 23 karts in this particular race). The camera is mounted on the chin of his camera. Gives you a real sensation of being the driver. This is on the East Track at Firebird (the track next to I-10) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Watch the HD version. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 1 18:57:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:57:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr2 In-Reply-To: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> References: <5B58BE6B4D0D47C98D73287219F4BC42@Bud> Message-ID: <04dc01c9b32e$0789f900$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Hi Gang..If anyone can add/help with the history of this TR2, please > contact > Mike Andrews at > andrewsdesign at earthlink.net The missing image can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/cce6lw -- Randall From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 1 19:33:26 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:33:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: "I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. " Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually develop a west coast bias. Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? Steve **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 1 19:39:50 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race of Champions 2008 Message-ID: <20090402023912.2A462187874@autox.team.net> I noticed that HD Theater will be airing the 2008 Race of Champions a handful of time this coming week starting on Sunday evening. http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=66.15710.127668.0.0 Carl Edwards and Tanner Faust of Team USA against Michael Schumacher and the field at the 2008 Race of Champions event from Wembley Stadium in London, UK (December 14, 2008). From jmwagner at greenheart.com Wed Apr 1 20:12:25 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Race Car on Craigslist Message-ID: <49D41F09.5070300@greenheart.com> Ran into this on Craigslist.... passing it along.... --Justin Triumph spitfire - $5300 (palos verdes peninsula) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply to: sale-hqmmf-1102440303 at craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads? ] Date: 2009-04-01, 11:41AM PDT 1965 triumph spitfire race car under restoration, currently about 70 % completed, frame off restoration. Has SCCA race history, last raced June 1977 and log book. Many new parts including fuel cell, fire system, paint, aluminum interior work, has original revolution wheels, kas kassner parts, Light weight fiberglass bonnet and rear deck lid. New roll bar which reinforces front and rear suspension and side impact protection. New racing windscreen etc. Great entry race car and easy restoration project. Can be made street legal. Includes additional 1967 spitfire car $ 5,300.00 Steve 310-600-9024 http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1102440303.html From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:39:57 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sprite towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com To: fot at autox.team Subject: Sprite transport Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:32:53 -0400 Does any have a trip planned from east to west. I have a customer here in mid PA that needs to get his car to Arizona. If anyone is going west to pick up a car let me know. Also if anyone has a lead on a good transport service please contact me. Thanks, Lorne Fritz Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 21:53:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Message-ID: <819EBC5460354D2FB8828A616B4C3F98@Bud> hi gang....formula 5000 racer in need of parts..this is what we're about..triumph or whatever..please scroll down thanks Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N Smith To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: FW: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! Bud, would you post this to the group? Steve is trying to get his car back on track and needs some help. Nick From: Seb Coppola [mailto:sebcoppola at f5000registry.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:56 PM To: F5000 Friends Subject: Alert: F5000 Parts Needed! If anyone can help Steve Davis, please get in touch with him. He is trying to get his 1969 Eagle F5000 ready to race with us at Thunderhill in mid-May. Best, Seb Sebastian (Seb) Coppola President - Formula 5000 Drivers Association Administrator - F5000 Registry Phone: (248) 601-2800 Cell: (248) 219-4448 www.F5000Registry.com Email: SebCoppola at F5000Registry.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steve Davis [mailto:sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:35 PM To: Seb Coppola Subject: Parts! Hey Seb, In refreshing my Eagle I've found some problems with my half shafts. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you put this out to the F5000 membership to see if anyone has spares or leads on spares? Thanks much. Steve Davis 831-320-0967 sdavis0 at ix.netcom.com Need: SMALL B.R.D. HALFSHAFTS Specifically I need the male shafts but will of course take the whole piece. I think Spicer made at least two lengths on these and the ones I need are the SHORT ones (McLaren ones are longer), OA length of the shaft excluding the yoke is approximately 6". I already have new yokes if you have a good piece with a bad yoke. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From cak at dimebank.com Wed Apr 1 22:29:00 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] replacement TR4A head? Message-ID: <200904020429.n324T0he011411@moose.dimebank.com> Someone just wrote me asking about a head he bought on ebay, supposedly a TR4A head. It has the bevel in the combustion chamber, but the number cast into it is 582137, not 511695. Any idea what this head is? Was there a later version of the TR4A head? I can't find any record of this part number... Thanks, chris From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 23:14:53 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904012214x510ea34ci66b9769a6b4ead58@mail.gmail.com> We will be there? Snack bar? I didn't know there was a snack bar. Are we not going to be where Paul and John were last at Big Bore Bash? Wherever we are can someone save a space? I won't be there until early Saturday morning. John P.S. West Coast Bias? We should be the center of the universe. With alll due respect to the Group 44 guys and others this is where Kas made his mark. And last time I checked we had 27 Triumphs (or Triumph powered cars) at the last event. That should be some kind of record for a non-marque featured race. With Steve Smith and Gee up front followed by Paul, Mordy, Frank and John we acquit ourselves very well. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > *"I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still > runs sans #1 > piston or rod. "* > > Don't worry Mordy, You'll get used to that... > > Welcome John and Alec, glad to have ya in the FOT! Maybe we'll eventually > develop a west coast bias. > > Finally, Who's going to Willow ;-)) > > I expect to be there early afternoon on Friday. We pitting behind the > snack bar as usual? How many spots do we need? > > Steve > > ------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Apr 2 07:57:56 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Smashing News Message-ID: Two Ferraris crash together in Oklahoma. http://www.wreckedexotics.com/articles/021.shtml From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Apr 2 08:30:06 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front align. Message-ID: <1D12CF59133C49D392EE2B4C5DDF2908@Pendys> FOT'ers, Thank You for the input\suggestions on setting up the early tr4 front end alignment. A special tip off the hat to Jim G. - Chuck A - Bill B. In my earlier request, i was incorrect to my tire size,car is shod with goodyear 23-9-15 not 23-9.5-15 as i thought.A question was asked about the HP rateing,previous engine was 189 at 13.3 comp. ratio. New one is at dyno as i write, but i think we will be somewhat over that figure.I have shaved a considerable amount of weight off the car over the winter which translates to you know what.So again,i thank you for the input. Mark Pendy From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 4 06:37:31 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 4 07:03:28 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ATL 12 gal. I usually use 7-9 gallons per race. Mike #28 EP http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sat Apr 4 07:47:52 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <557B69B8D7D84BC1AAB28100D912F9B6@Dell5100Laptop> 8 gallon Fuel Safe. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:38 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 08:17:30 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells Message-ID: <63653142.508321.1238854650828.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> /Owm6WK: Permission denied From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Apr 4 08:33:34 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D76FBE.1070000@charter.net> Andre Rousseau wrote: > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 8 gallon Fuel Safe in a 72 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Apr 4 09:10:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Fuel Cells Message-ID: **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:10:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cells To: andre at gt6.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 04/04/2009 6:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: > What do you guys run? > I had FUEL SAFE put a custom bladder in my stock TR3 fuel tank in the late 1980s. Worked great without butchering the car in any way. I carry pictures with my log book in case they don't believe it's in there. FUEL SAFE is replacing that bladder this winter. Not sure how much it holds, but at least eight gallons. Bill Dentinger ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 10:19:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090404171822.12830187642@autox.team.net> 12 Gallon Fuel Safe cell in my TR-4. It's big enough to run a one hour enduro without running out of gas. 8 gallons is good for about 45 minutes of running. - Tony At 07:37 AM 4/4/2009, Andre Rousseau wrote: >What do you guys run? > >Thanks. > >A. > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 4 12:13:53 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:13:53 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance Message-ID: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 4 13:54:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:54:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 53 L standard steel tank. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 14:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Fuel Cells What do you guys run? Thanks. A. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 4 16:45:36 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090404234451.293CB187898@autox.team.net> The ones that Jack made he tried for just a few thousandths clearance and we didn't see evidence of contact on disassembly. The teflon ones are supposed to be a net fit from what I understand. - Tony D At 12:14 PM 9/4/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that >everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone >successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a >successful minimum clearance? > >Thanks, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat Apr 4 19:50:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells References: <4362ae390904040537u1cd98449mddc47d8e7eef3704@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 8 gallon ATL in a 1964 Spitfire Mk. 1 (H Production). With two fuel pickups, one at each rear corner. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cells > What do you guys run? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markjwea at msn.com Sun Apr 5 07:22:13 2009 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:22:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR6 For Sale Message-ID: Amici, I rarely post but some of you may remember me from the period when I produced the axle upgrade with Uncle Jack. As the ongoing recession takes its toll, I regretfully need to sell my TR6 to raise cash. The car is a 1972 model that I have had since High School. It has been restored once and is a full race car at this point. The engine and tranny are out and engine is diassembled into major components. The fenders and hood are fiberglass and I have the original steel hood. Flenders are flared. I also have a never installed fiberglass airdam. All fiberglass parts are from molds owned by Rod Kent who used to run a TR6 in SCCA. Windscreen is Ted Schumaker low profile racing acrylic and I have the OEM windsheild and frame. Car has onboard Halon system and a aircraft version of an Accusump. It also has an fully shrouded aluminum radiator from a Porsche. Battery is located in the trunk area, fuel cell is mounted in the trunk well. Rear suspension features Bilstein coilovers mounted to the rollbar. Front has high rate spings and .875 dia solid 4130 sway bar with adjustable Konis. Rear hubs are Datsun 510 single piece conversions. All suspension bushings are urethane or delrin. Allfin drums on rear, OEM calipers up front with braided steel lines and Howe dual master cylinder and balance bar. Engine has cam bearings, approx 10:1 compression head, roller rockers, triple Webers on Canon manifold,hardened valve seats, toleranced oil pump, aluminum flywheel. Crank is tapped for extra flywheel bolts. Exhaust is through a header with temperature monitoring bungs and thermocouples, stright 2.5" pipe out the back. Pistons are original but rods have been lightened and everything balanced staticaly and dynamically. Tranny has J type OD. The cam bearings need to be replaced, I had an oil starvation problem after last rebuild. Other bearings and crank look good. Suspension was well sorted in my opinion, but Accumsump, windscreen, air dam and oiling system are unproven. Car got new floorpans and rocker panels in the early 90's and has been garaged ever since so rust shuld not be an issue. Frame is galvanized! I also have a lot of the OEM parts in boxes but only one fender. I am hoping someone out there can buy and enjoy this great car. If not I will probably part it out on Ebay. I am located in Phoenix Arizona. Please let e know if you have a serious interest and I wil get pictures and details. Thanks Mark Weathers From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:18:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: TRIUMPH TR6 FUEL INJECTION UNIT FOR SALE Hi Gang.. Lucas TR6/250 fuel injection unit for sale for 750.00..please contact Dean Beaupre in Sebastopol, Ca at dabeaupre at gmail.com Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 18:46:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Message-ID: <53558CBBFE8C4628A081CA904A0377ED@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: TR4 SCCA FIBERGLASS BODYWORK WANTED Hi gang...TIDE EBDING is going to convert his vintage racing TR4(Steve froines' Ol' Blue' to an SCCA Racecar...He's looking for fibreglass flared stuff, etc..contact tide at tidetr3 at yahoo Racer Bud From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 06:08:20 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 29, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andre, I run an 8 Gallon ATL fuel cell in my Spitfire. I can almost run 2 sessions on the track if I forget to fill it between races. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Apr 6 06:39:44 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance In-Reply-To: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> References: <4AA14B0D.3090202@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark, I can't help you with your crank scraper clearance, but have you noticed the date your computer is sending out? 9/4/09 ! Are you going to be making up some scrapers for sale? I may be interested if you are. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapper clearance While mocking up a crank scraper for my TR3 it dawned on me that everything is going to expand under heat and rpm forces. Has anyone successfully fabricated one and would you be willing to pass on a successful minimum clearance? Thanks, M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Apr 6 08:59:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 10:04:57 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493497.20097.qm@web80805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can't send any photo links, but we have about 6 inches (15 cm) of new snow at my home here in Southeast Michigan. They will probably make some comment about it on the NCAA finals tonight. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: Andre Rousseau To: FOT Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 10:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Snowing in Ottawa. http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at vt.edu Mon Apr 6 06:37:54 2009 From: jhassall at vt.edu (Hassall, James) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank end float issues Message-ID: Has anyone successfully tightened the thrust clearance? While checking the dimensions for the crank gear / cam gear parallelism, it ocurred to me that if the crank is fully forward at 0.006 clearance and the cam is fully to the rear at 0.0075, there's a possibility that the crank gear and cam gear will be out of plane by 0.0135. If it's so important (according to the shop manual) to have the two gears dead nuts parallel, what about tightening the the crank thrust clearance? At least that should reduce the back and forth wear on the timing chain. OTOH, should the parallelism be checked with crank and cam fully forward or fully rearward? That seems most logical to me, but the manual makes no mention of the procedure. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Virginia Tech Administrative Information Systems 540.231.2124 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 10:59:18 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer Message-ID: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Thanks. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:22 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike From emanteno at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:12:29 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Insurance for race car and trailer In-Reply-To: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> References: <000001c9b6d9$06f4ba30$14de2e90$@com> Message-ID: <354a1780904061112iffe89bg266fd78a54472bcb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Looking back at a past thread Parish-Heacock was an insurance agent used by > a number of racers for their cars and trailers. Are they still a good > insurer or are there other recommendations that we should take a look at? Tim, I used them to cover my TR4 and still use them for coverage on my street TR6. The real question, are they a good insurer, has yet to be answered as I have never had a claim with them. If I'm lucky, I never will. Irv Korey From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 6 14:01:17 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c9b6f2$72eb1680$58c14380$@com> XRP of South Gate, CA (www.xrp.com; tele. 562-861-4765)has a AN-3 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare fitting, their part no. 402703, that I used on the Wilwood "Clutch & Small Brake Master Cylinders" for both front and rear master cylinders and the clutch master cylinder. These are Girling style master cylinders so this part may work for you. The AN-4 to 3/8-24 Inverted Flare is part no. 402714. They have other adapter fittings for 7/16-20 and metric. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? Any other ideas? thanks mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 15:55:48 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor References: Message-ID: <000a01c9b702$724e9520$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Pegasus has a good supply of adapter fittings. I'm looking at a similar situation. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor > I'm replacing the clutch master cylinder in my Spitfire and I need an > adaptor so I can use the existing #4 AN hose. The current adaptor looks > like it was kind of forced into the hole, the threads are all boogered up. > I'd like to do it right but I can't find a 3/16 brake line to #4 AN > adaptor. I could drill out the hole and make it a standard NPT size which I > can get an adaptor for but I'd prefer to adapt it so I can carry a standard > master as a spare. Does anyone have a part number or a source for this? > Any other ideas? > > thanks > mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 16:02:14 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:02:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... References: <4362ae390904060759r50f35be5iec3effa9dc763c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c9b703$5887a7c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> The forecast here is calling for a 5-8 inch snowfall tonight. It will set a record if it happens. Snowing now. The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... > Snowing in Ottawa. > > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0150.jpg > http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_0151.jpg > > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Apr 6 15:12:23 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:12:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah what the... Message-ID: Out here in the Southwest we get the Mexican forecast...Chile today, Hot Tamale... In a message dated 4/6/2009 2:03:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: The Polish forcast is: dark tonight, lighter towards morning. Thanks, Oscar. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 15:15:55 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:15:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:24:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Apr 6 15:28:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:30:44 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:46:18 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org><454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1464F4A2-FB8D-4A24-AFDF-2EA6D87D4003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0707B37B6AC84CD4A42A28A48150D89A@Bud> i use Condon and Skelly(i think theyre owned by met life) I've been useing them for years for various vintage cars and motorcycles...The coverage is full(no deductible)...mileage is limited to about 2500....driving is for special events or 'Sunday drives'...If I commute in the car/bike..I am still covered for liability...but no coverage for damage to my vehicle... most of the vintage car companies will cover your car much more thoroughly than the traditional insurers..My friend is with JC Taylor, and they covered his loss when his garage flooded from a storm, and his Healey had water damage Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Barr, Scott" Cc: ; "Jeff Snook" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance >I think the TR4 is limited to about 5,000 miles per year, no commuting > use allowed. The GT6 coverage is really theft, fire and transport > coverage as they won't insure accidents in a race. > > > > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM > To: Jeff Snook > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance > > I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my > street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K > replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. > It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I > don't even think about shopping for price! > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple > years ago > over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Apr 6 16:03:28 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> <454C9110-1F38-463A-99A3-906440706A5F@comcast.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113CD94@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <003501c9b703$8462c460$8d284d20$@org> My policy with Haggerty is for race car and trailer insurance so there are not any limitations (other than the race cars are not insured for any damage on the track). Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:28 PM To: Scott Janzen; Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance Do you have mileage limits or other restrictions? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:24 PM To: Jeff Snook Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I'm using Heacock (Infinity is the underwriter) for my race GT6 and my street TR4. Each policy costs me $250 per year - the GT6 at $14K replacement value, plus a box trailer for $5K, and the TR4 at $11K. It seems like such a deal compared to my modern street cars that I don't even think about shopping for price! On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Mon Apr 6 16:27:15 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Clutch master cylinder to AN adaptor Message-ID: <200904062227.n36MRFHO009125@moose.dimebank.com> h v Don't count on the flare for a seal - use a Dowty washer. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:28:20 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 16:35:58 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Message-ID: Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 17:00:48 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 17:04:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "'FOT'" ; "Mike Munson" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. > > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Apr 6 17:26:10 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <9DEDBF56846D43DE8E15B383682B618E@Bud> Message-ID: And those Porsches! -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? Racer Bud > looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: > > From: Mike Munson > Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > To: "'FOT'" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM > > Oops, the first link didn't work. > > Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of > Sam's > car. From jibjib at att.net Mon Apr 6 17:57:30 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance In-Reply-To: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> References: <001d01c9b6fc$e5550d20$afff2760$@org> Message-ID: <25B865F8C36D4A3D8DF997A5D749C667@HPPavilion> I changed over a year or so ago (Heacock to Haggerty) when the policy from Heacock changed and eliminated my ability to every drive my car to work. It's forbidden by Heacock now, but occasionally OK by Haggerty. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Snook Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Race Car and Trailer Insurance I use Hagerty for both types of insurance. Saved some $$ a couple years ago over what Heacock was charging. 800-922-4050 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:17:20 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:17:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 18:23:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? References: Message-ID: Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; "'FOT'" Cc: "'Sam Halkias'" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > And those Porsches! > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:04 PM > To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT'; Mike Munson > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > that's for getting those slow MGs out of the way, right? > Racer Bud > > >> looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... >> >> >> Tom >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm >> >> >> #4 white spitfire >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: >> >> From: Mike Munson >> Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? >> To: "'FOT'" >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM >> >> Oops, the first link didn't work. >> >> Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of >> Sam's >> car. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 18:58:12 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <797468.12728.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Might be a little low for some tracks. ahh, you know what they say in some groups .... if it isnt rubbing on the ground, it isnt low enough ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Doug Mitchell wrote: From: Doug Mitchell Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "Mike Munson" , "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:17 PM Might be a little low for some tracks. Doesn't help much when agricultural racing. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 6 19:39:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why WRC Cars cost so much Message-ID: <20090407023930.9B03E187651@autox.team.net> Surviving a wreck like this with NO injuries (both the driver and navigator) shows that the cost of a WRC cars is well worth every penny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlARG0vTxeM http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=4500&desc=Latvala%20thanks%20his%20team%20for%20building%20a%20life-saver Latvala thanks his team for building a life-saver Jari-Matti Latvala has paid tribute to his BP Ford Abu Dhabi Team for building a car which kept him and his co-driver safe from harm during a horrific crash on the opening day of Rally Portugal. Latvala, 24, crashed heavily on Friday's third stage, his Focus RS plunging over a roadside barrier and rolling 20 times down a hillside, eventually coming to rest 150 metres from the road. Incredibly Latvala and his co-driver Miikka Anttila escaped without injury. Anttila flew home to Finland on Saturday morning while Latvala will remain in Portugal for public relations work this week. "I'd like to say a big thank you to the team for building a car that is so strong that we walked away with only a few bruises," said Jari-Matti. "If we had suffered that accident 20 years ago, we probably wouldn't be alive. "It is definitely the biggest and the hardest crash I have ever had. I didn't realise what was happening until we started to roll. It's a nightmare feeling when you are in that situation because all you can do is wait. As we rolled there was an incredible noise and the roll cage started to fold in around us. It was very frightening," he added. Ford team principal Malcolm Wilson echoed Latvala's comments and revealed that the car had stood us so well to the battering that it might still have a competitive future. "Firstly, we're all relieved that both Jari-Matti and Miikka escaped injury," said Wilson. "It was an incredible accident and the fact they are both unhurt is testament to the strength of the Focus RS WRC. They owe their lives to that. "It is a tribute to the skill and many hours of hard work put in by the team in designing and developing such a robust car that they climbed out uninjured. All the safety systems that have been developed by the teams and the FIA worked in the way they should. The car stood up remarkably well, to the point where - remarkably - it will probably be able to be repaired," he added. From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:28:15 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB853FA41EA6F8-12E8-5D2@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> No way at SVRA. Jack Woehrle -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'FOT' Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Sam Halkias was asking me if this air dam would be legal in vintage. :-) Given the snow blanketing the east today I thought it might be appropriate. We even had some snow as far south as southern Kentucky. http://www.triumphowners.com/collection.cgi?task=PHOTO &photocategoryID=1145§ionID=111032 Mike Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Mon Apr 6 20:29:56 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <775104.56710.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:50:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:50:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was this taken from an old steam locomotive? Saw this first at some western movies. Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 7 00:52:34 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RACER BUD Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I nicknamed him U-BOAT Racer Bud From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 03:58:29 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 02:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <8CB853FDFD8BAB1-12E8-5DF@webmail-me12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA???? like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage and check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 7 07:00:43 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: <909879.8309.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8597FED903F3-16D0-57B@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> OK, we'll change the rules to allow air dams if it snows....even at the KIC. -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net; fasttrs at mindspring.com; jwoesvra at aol.com Sent: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 5:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? awww, come on Jack, ..... not even for those real early spring races at RA????B like Feb or March????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: jwoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net, fasttrs at mindspring.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:29 PM And, as you know Tom, that is not allowed at SVRA either. looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... -----Original Message----- From: tom strange To: 'FOT' ; Mike Munson Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? looks perfectly normal to me .... but then I live in wisconsin ... Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mike Munson wrote: From: Mike Munson Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:35 PM Oops, the first link didn't work. Try this link and go down to Daisy's cage an d check out the picture of Sam's car. http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show tonight. Check out TourTracker.com! From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Apr 7 07:20:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:20:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Snows Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 7 07:41:36 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends if submerged or on the surface I would think. > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:52:34 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Must be difficult cornering a U-boat. Does it under - or oversteer? > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von RACER BUD > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 02:23 > An: Mike Munson; tstrange at sbcglobal.net; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Vintage legal air dam? > > Especially when driving a Spitfire..can't trust the German cars....I have a > friend who races a Vintage F Vee...sometimes we are in the same group...I > nicknamed him U-BOAT > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ds From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 7 08:09:25 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Snows In-Reply-To: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451686918DD7@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: I've been expecting to hear reports back from FOT that went to the CVAR race March 28-29 in Hallett. I didn't make it to the race but I know that Saturday got snowed out, 8 inches or so, and on Sunday they raced with snow on the ground. So, maybe that snowplow air dam should be an allowable option to increase track time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Deanes, Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Snows Didn't I see pictures of it snowing from a not to distant place recently, Canada maybe! Rob deanes TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 08:29:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings, I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the block. The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the intake valve area's, I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top ring at TDC. As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve flow from the intake valve and clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner should be B ? Thanks, Jim G. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 18:38:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston to liner top clearance in tr4 In-Reply-To: <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryv ille.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <839042325.3131441239114475299.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <412687191.3132121239114573111.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090408013727.0A445187665@autox.team.net> Here's the deck height discussion from 2005 - Tony: In a message dated 12/13/2005 11:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: With stock rods and hepolite pistons and a steel head gasket (.020" thick), the pistons will just "kiss" the head at 6500 rpm when the deck clearance is .006" below the top of the liner. This is with a stock crank. So that means there is .026" total elongation in crank flex, rod and main bearing clearance, rod "stretch, pin flex and piston growth from the heat of combustion. That's exactly what I have found with a stock shaft. With a steel crank I run a thou or two in the hole with a .020 gasket, no carbon buildup on the piston tops below the squish area.. Glen. At 09:29 AM 4/7/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Greetings, > >I just had the block decked and liners turned and fitted to .004 proud of the >block. > >The head goes out today to get cc'd and milled for 12.5:1. > >I measured the unswept area between the top of the piston and top of the liner > >and it's only .017. Of coarse the sleeves have already been relieved at the >intake valve area's, > >I took them down from the top 3mm which is almost 1/2 the distance to the top >ring at TDC. > >As I understandB the two reasons for the relief in the liner are to improve >flow from the intake valve and > >clearance for the intake valve at full lift ( for some cams). Now I'm >wondering if too much was taken off the block & liners. > >Does anybody know what B the clearance from top of piston to top of liner >should be B ? > >Thanks, > >Jim G. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 18:45:10 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem Message-ID: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 19:00:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:00:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: do you have any sign of water in the oil? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at > 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at > the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, > run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was > down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water > temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression > test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine > when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next > step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not > the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 7 20:00:24 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c9b7ed$c83bbc60$58b33520$@com> Do you run foam air cleaners? We had one fail in that it acted as a choke, sucking foam into the face of the carb when running high rpm and pull away (back to normal) at lower rpm. Similar running description you had. The rattle is disturbing, sounds like a bearing on #3 Where did the water go? Any signs? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Apr 7 22:43:29 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Message-ID: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 22:32:45 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues References: <000001c9b804$90552950$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <00cf01c9b803$10d7a370$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Sounds like the coil is energized whenever the switch is closed, even when the ignition is not on. Why not wire it through an ignition switch? If you race it, why not wire it through a low oil pressure cut out switch? May save the engine in case of oil failure. Also, do you use a resistor in line with the coil? You may be running too much current through the coil. An old rule of thumb that I heard: whatever the ground is, say neg, that's the post of the coil that goes to the dist. Lot of good coils out there, Bosch, MSD, etc. The timing light thing is strange. Try powering it right off the battery; use long jumper wires if necessary. Sounds like you may have a wiring gremlin. Ground problem? Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues > I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the > battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is > closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive > side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my > Mallory dual point. > > I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the > top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. > > Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? > > I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a > part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national > chain would be appreciated. > > Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The > ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what > could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I > believe the wires are 8mm. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 7 21:23:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Engine Problem Message-ID: <20090408054008.59A9D18765F@autox.team.net> Msg too long. Snipped and resent. TD >Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:21:49 -0500 >To: "Gary Horstkorta" , >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Problem > >When doing a compression check, make sure you have the carbs opened >up. I had weird compression values, and after remembering to open >the butterflies got over 200 psi in each cylinder. > >If you ran it hot, you can easily stick a valve. In my case, that >happened between 200 and 220 degrees F. > >Mallories have weird condensers, Jack used to scrape off the outer >coating where it hit the bracket. The bracket that holds the >condenser has a couple of spikes that are supposed to pierce the >outer coating - not very reliable. Not sure why this would be >corner dependent, but could explain why changing out the dizzy would >fix the problem kinda. Rotors have been a problem too, another >thing that would have changed with the new dizzy. > >SU's (at least the HS-6) can take a surprisingly high fuel >pressure. Also, the brass floats don't seem to like racing gas and >can sink sometimes. With the HS-6's we needed to have the lids on >in a certain position or you get starvation in cornering. Left >handers were our biggest problem. We found that having the fuel >inlet at the front of the front carb and the back of the rear carb >(may have that backwards but I don't think so) was the optimal >setup. You don't have enough acceleration to screw up the rear >carb, and the problem caused by braking fixes itself by the time you >get on the gas hard. > >I wonder if the new dizzy install got the timing off causing the >higher water temp. Then you stuck a valve. > >No fixes, but food for thought. > >- Tony Drews > >At 07:45 PM 4/7/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >>Hello: >> >> >> >>OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. >>During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. >>Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while >>in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon >>Raceway, I encountered the following: >> >> From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 8 01:27:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:27:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <38A99BD1-A222-41A2-A140-D9D5AE12D8DB@bnj.com> I'd say the problem started off as a bad ground, either the condenser or somewhere else, and after you fiddles with stuff it became something else. On Apr 7, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback > on. > During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine > maintenance. > Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range > while > in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at > Infineon > Raceway, I encountered the following: > > > > 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating > at > 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil > pressure and water temp normal > > 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high > at 3.0 > lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. > > 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb > at the > needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. > Level was > uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel > level > just below the orifice opening. > > 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the > engine > would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right > hand > turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way > up > through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely > start, run > badly then die. > > 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is > Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; > replaced > plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with > stock > Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? > > 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, > no > problem except acceleration was not crisp. > > 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car > was down > on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it > normally runs > but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of > water temp > gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off > > 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the > trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. > > > > Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing > obvious. > Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by > hand > then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a > compression test > with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; > #4 > 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the > engine when > cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other > cylinders. > > > > > OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - > one a > long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car > mechanic) > initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem > disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. > Next step > is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a > similar > set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be > electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and > not the > other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Apr 8 02:23:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:23:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Engine Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> References: <003201c9b7e3$459ac580$d0d05080$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ignition problems are sometimes hidden and misleading to a fuel problem. >From this point I always start from ignition to fuel and then deeper to the engine. >From what I suppose is that your double ignition distributor did work well on one corner and failed at the opposite corner. You replaced the distributor and I could imagine that maybe the ignition advance wasn't set correctly and so the ignition was too late at high revs which caused overheating of the engine and a lack of power. I could also imagine a shrunk piston #3 with some piston slap now caused by overheating. I suppose the # 3 had the best compression and did overheat most and died first. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 02:45 An: Fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Engine Problem Hello: OK, here's a TR4 engine situation I'd like to receive some feedback on. During the winter layoff, no major engine changes just routine maintenance. Engine always started quickly and ran smoothly up and down rpm range while in the garage. However, at this past weekend's vintage race at Infineon Raceway, I encountered the following: 1. Saturday's first practice session, the car began hesitating at 4,000rpm and reluctantly would edge its way up to 5,000. Engine oil pressure and water temp normal 2. In paddock, checked fuel pressure with a gauge, it was high at 3.0 lbs for my 1.75" stock SU carbs. Reset to 2.0. 3. Saturday's race, same problems. Checked fuel level in carb at the needle jet orifice without the "dome" on and fuel pump running. Level was uneven, one carb flooding the other low. Reset floats so even fuel level just below the orifice opening. 4. Sunday morning practice the problem was worse and now the engine would almost die around left hand turns but run strong around right hand turns. Checked everything from fuel pickup in fuel cell all the way up through the carbs, all seemed OK. However, the car would barely start, run badly then die. 5. Out of desperation we turned to the ignition system which is Mallory dual point dizzy and coil. Replaced coil - no change; replaced plugs - no change; checked timing - OK; replaced distributor with stock Lucas, engine started and ran fine. Huh?? 6. Road test up a steep hill at full throttle and down a road, no problem except acceleration was not crisp. 7. Ran race and engine was steady around all corners but car was down on power and after three laps, water temp was higher than it normally runs but stable at 200 degrees. Four laps later sudden fluctuation of water temp gauge meant I'd lost water. Shut the engine off 8. Towed pack to pit, able to start the car and put it into the trailer, running OK but with a "rattling" sound from the engine. Back in the garage, inspection of the valve train showed nothing obvious. Removed plugs which were all black and sooty, turned engine over by hand then by the starter, no obvious problems or sounds. Ran a compression test with the following numbers: cylinder #1 160; #2 155; #3 210; #4 170. Also noticed a different mechanical sound from down in the engine when cranking for #3 compression test, not present when testing other cylinders. OK, so that is where I am right now. We (myself and two friends - one a long-time Triumph racer/builder and a the other a British car mechanic) initially felt this was a fuel problem, however, after the problem disappeared by changing the distributor, we're all a bit baffled. Next step is to remove the head and pan for inspection. Anyone experience a similar set of problems, ie, seemingly a fuel problem but turns out to be electrical? What would cause a dizzy to work around some turns and not the other? What would cause such a high number on cylinder #3? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 09:07:12 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: When I built mine, I had a spare block drilled out. Unfortunately, I'm 2000 miles away from my shop for the next week or so. If you can get one of the steel retainers, you've got the size and the bolt pattern. You also need to get the depth and width of the spring slot in the diff so you can match it on the spacer. I can get these for you in a week or so if you can wait that long. In this same vein, has anyone ever done the math to figure out the relationship between the arch in the spring, the spacer size and camber? I'm good with what I've got, but the engineer in me is curious. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 8 21:33:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Apr 8 20:30:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues now source of Crane Ignition anyone have a source? In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB86D253B7189A-C7C-1D0A@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> I am looking for a CRANE breakerless ignition for my AMBRO. Thanks!? Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Apr 8 21:29:36 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spit Diff Bolt Locations Message-ID: <8CB86DA8A8DCC92-5E0-18AC@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Amici, Thanks to all that responded to my request.? Parts are made and one is off to a fellow GT6 owner. Thanks again, Bob T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 9 01:00:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:00:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues In-Reply-To: <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <20090408.211211.9905.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000001c9b8c3$fd50e340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: There are two types of ignition coils. Some can take full 12V and has an internal resistor of about 3 Ohm and the ones that need an external resistor and has an internal resistor of about 1,5 Ohm. For instance the blue Bosch coil can take full 12 V, the red Bosch coil which has more output needs a resistor which is given in the package. The good thing with Bosch coils - they work with all ignition systems. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 05:34 An: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues I am running an alternator and have not had a problem with the cut-off, it kills the engine every time. I will go ahead and switch the coil through a separate ignition switch just to be safe. Some have mentioned that the coil needs to be fed with a wire that has a resistor in it. Any idea on what that should be? Currently, I am running full 12v from the battery. Also, should that resistor be bypassed when the starter is engaged? I have checked voltage to the timing light, 12v. The wires are a 8mm silicon jacket, low resistance wire. They were purchased at Autozone as a kit that had to be trimmed to fit and then assembled. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Joe Boruch [mailto:jaboruch at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:12 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Greg, as you described it in your first paragraph, your coil is always energized, so when the points are closed current is flowing thru the coil, hence it will over heat. In your second sentance it sounds like you are saying it is switched by the cut-off switch. If that is the case the coil will be energized anytime the switch is on. Do you have an alternator? Could the coil be back fed through that even with the cut-off switch off? The coil really should be turned on and off by a separate ignition switch. Not sure why the timing light is not working. Are you sure it is getting 12 volt power to it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Subject: [Fot] Ignitionl issues Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:43:29 -0500 I have my coil wired directly to a hot post that is connected to the battery side of my cut-off switch. In other words, when the switch is closed, the + side of the coil is directly connected to the positive side of the battery. The other side of the coil is connected to my Mallory dual point. I noticed tonight that my coil was very hot and leaking oil out of the top when I had the battery charger attached to the battery. Do I have my coil wired incorrectly? I will obviously be replacing that coil now so any suggestions for a part number on a replacement type (Bosch or others) from a national chain would be appreciated. Another strange problem, timing lights will not work on my car. The ones I have tried work on other TRs, but not mine. Anyone know what could cause an inductive timing light not to pick up a signal? I believe the wires are 8mm. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low quotes on great group health insurance plans! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 07:50:13 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question Message-ID: Hi, I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. Guidance, please? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 08:11:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question Message-ID: Hi, I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the key for the crank dampener. Any opinions are welcome. I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. Thanks! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 9 08:37:42 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:37:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090409143739.DHRN4586.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is > it a given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? IMO, yes. FWIW Bob, I had almost exactly the same problem on my street TR3A (although for a different reason). The crank nose was worn undersize, but there's no telling how long it had been loose, so you may be luckier in that department than I was. The replacement hub would work loose again, even properly clamped. So, I used Loctite RC609 "Circular parts mount" to mount the hub. It's advertised to fill gaps up to .010", and for use in "restoring fits". Worked for me, for perhaps 50,000 miles of street driving (until the car got wrecked). They say to remove it, heat to 250C. But the only time I've had it apart, I just used an ordinary balancer puller to force it off. Definitely took a lot of force, but came off without damaging anything. YMMV Might be worth a try. I'll let someone else comment on the utility of having the crank nose welded up and ground down. Randall From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Apr 9 08:56:57 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past purchasers with a replacement kit? I guess it would depend on how knackered your snout is. My dampener was still tight and the keyway was slightly enlarged. I would imagine if you got a key to fit in snuggly, it might be okay. Maybe this would be a good crank for a street motor that doesn't see as many rpm's. My problem is mine is a long ended early crank shaft and there aren't many replacements available for it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 9 09:21:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Charly Mitchel wrote: > This is interesting to me. I disassembled a motor that was used in the > 2007 race season to see the same thing. I too had purchased the crank > hub removal kit from the same person. This seems to be a problem with > his kit. Is he redesigning the kit? And is he providing the past > purchasers with a replacement kit? The guy that I got the part from, Rick Patton, is a stand-up guy. He will replace the part with one cut a tad deeper if you ask him. I had him make me one that has the recess much deeper, .400 come sto mind, although I'd have to measure the part to be sure. He made the new one at no cost. He is aware that some cranks have a slightly longer snout owing to how the parts are manufactured, although I have no idea how he determined that. He did ask me things like "did you install shims behind the crank driven cam gear" and stuff. But if you look at the face of the eliminator and the face of the dampener, you can see some fretting where the parts touch. In my case, the motor has maybe 20 minutes of time between installation and when I figured out the parts has loosened up. For the end of the season, I put the stock fan extension on and that stayed tight for two events (probably 20 - 25 minutes of run time.) All I need now is another dampener to see if everything is tight. :-) I've got 4 in the garage, but two of them are totally unsuitable for a race motor (really nasty rubber elastomer!!). I suppose I should try them for fitment on the key and then go from there. Honestly, I hadn't thought of that! Yikes. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 09:37:10 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for no other > reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, maybe 1 lb. And > $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an awesome Triumph dude in > Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to the wheels on a supercharged / > injected TR6 motor with mostly stock internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where the > motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you could only > hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that the harmonic > damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be the source of the > noise, but I was more expecting the two damper rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my installation > and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator was not deep enough > for my installation and this allowed the stock damper to wiggle a bit in the > radial direction. Eventually, the crank key got worked over a bit and the > slot in the dampener got egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a given that > I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a no > brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more and that > installing a new dampener is probably not the best solution), but I'm trying > not to have to build a new bottom end on the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 9 10:27:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:27:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you have to lose trying it? I might not put an expensive dampener on it perhaps, just a decent one, but it's likely that your crank is fine. On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed a crank fan eliminator on my race car last year if for > no other reason than it looked kool. It also dropped some weight, > maybe 1 lb. And $30. :-) BTW - the guy that made this part is an > awesome Triumph dude in Maine - Rick Patton. He's getting 200 HP to > the wheels on a supercharged / injected TR6 motor with mostly stock > internals! > > At any rate, I installed the eliminator and after a few events where > the motor saw fairly big RPMs, the motor developed a rattle that you > could only hear at idle. Along with FOT 19to1TR6, we determined that > the harmonic damper had worked loose. I actually expected that to be > the source of the noise, but I was more expecting the two damper > rings to have seperated. > > The guy that made the parts looked at the part design and my > installation and we determined that the back cut on the eliminator > was not deep enough for my installation and this allowed the stock > damper to wiggle a bit in the radial direction. Eventually, the > crank key got worked over a bit and the slot in the dampener got > egged out a bit. > > Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the > crank snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform > dimensions, but as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley > to install to do some measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of > picking up a fancy race dampener (I know all the advantages, I'm > weighing a new dampener vs. being able to "afford" the trip to > Nationals this year). > > So - the second question is - if the crank is knackered, is it a > given that I'll wreck whatever dampener I install on that crank? > > I hope this is clear in description. I sort of think the answer is a > no brainer (meaning that the crank is probably not optimal any more > and that installing a new dampener is probably not the best > solution), but I'm trying not to have to build a new bottom end on > the motor at this time. > > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 9 10:36:54 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 9 18:24:18 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question References: Message-ID: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob- It is unlikely that you created an "out of round" condition on the crank given the relatively short time frame it ran until discovered. I would think that as long as the woodruff key slot in the crank was not damaged too badly, that you should be fine using a different balancer. If there is some excessive tolerance on the woodruff key fit, then you may need to shim the woodruff key or make a date with your machine shop. If you have a dial indicator, that should verify and out of round condition, it could also help in verifying the radial slop in the woodruff key as well. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > I guess I was too wordy (again) with my question so... > > If a harmonic dampener works loose (this is TR6, but the concept probably > carries across the range), is it a given that the crank is toast? > > In my case the dampener wiggled enough while loose so that it hammered the > key for the crank dampener. > > Any opinions are welcome. > > I'm trying to decide if I buy a fancy dampener whether I'll just wreck > that by installing it on a crank that is possibly beyond its service life. > > Thanks! > rml From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Apr 10 14:51:22 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:51:22 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question In-Reply-To: <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8cbd782d0904090837h23161f95k390368f6ac60df8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8748868BD844-CAC-2855@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c9ba1e$1e5a9d50$5b0fd7f0$@com> I'm not sure if fitting a harmonic damper is a good thing to do if the damper isn't specially designed for the specific engine. Just fitting something that can be installed on the front end of the crank might make it worse than better. Too dangerous for me. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von malaboge at aol.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2009 18:37 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Harmonica Damper Question Off balance crankers... I'll second the ATI unit.? After breaking a crank and the front main cap on the second motor in short sequence when I used a certain commercially available dampner on my TR4, I had ATI build one that is definitely a bit of a "tight" fit on the snout.? I measured everything and sent them the specs and they made one to fit my design...a bit pricey but way better than "broken bits" Now where did I put that harmonica.... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 8:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Damper Question The good news about the ATI dampner is you measure your snout and they make the piece that goes on it to "fit". Fit means a little under so you have to warm it before you can press it on. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > >> Here's the question: if a damper works loose, is it a given that the crank > snout is damaged? I put a mic on the crank and I get uniform dimensions, but > as of this moment I don't have another crank pulley to install to do some > measuring. I'm teetering on the edge of picking up a fancy race dampener (I > know all the advantages, I'm weighing a new dampener vs. being able to > "afford" the trip to Nationals this year). > >> > Guidance, please? > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Apr 10 17:33:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Short Version: Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <004701c9ba34$cf75a830$6e60f890$@com> Here's an interesting link explaining what a harmonic damper is all about. Complicated. The whole link will probably not survive intact, so copy-paste it to your browser. http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technial-info/the-dangers-of-power-pulleys-and- understanding-the-harmonic-damper Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Apr 10 18:37:16 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street Message-ID: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a VTR regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd be nice in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 10 18:42:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:42:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters on the street In-Reply-To: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> References: <5164D8FF0AB6439FBB0B4D6A9FE661BB@DadsComputer> Message-ID: that would be an expensive way to get around. They would likely last a few thousand miles and wouldn't give much grip after they hardened up. On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:37 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > Has anyone ever tried putting Speedsters on a street car? We have a > VTR > regional coming up and I'm thinking they would wear too fast. They'd > be nice > in the autocross and hillclimb we are running. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Apr 11 07:37:41 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing Message-ID: What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone From andre at gt6.ca Sat Apr 11 08:09:48 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:09:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390904110709g6dfce40aiaa56cb1268fc244b@mail.gmail.com> The round ones ;) heheh I'm waiting too see if VARAC add the R888's (RA1 replacements) to their list. A. 2009/4/11 Brad Kahler : > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 10:33:52 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <073108E09FCC4AAB9E32FA6DBF159923@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In this same vein, anyone have experience with the Hoosier R6 tire on a Spitfire. I'm wondering how they might compare with the Yokohama A32's that I can no longer get. Thanks in advance. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing What are the fast guys using? Thanks, Brad Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Apr 11 11:02:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing References: Message-ID: I use the dunlops that are the spec front tire for the vintage formula ford...they are very legal because they are an actual vintage racing tire Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: [Fot] What tires for spitfire vintage racing > What are the fast guys using? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun Apr 12 07:34:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE98766789234@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> These guys are great: http://www.bii1.com/benders/rotary-draw-benders.php http://www.vansantent.com/tube_bending_machines.htm you don't need to get a mandrel bender that is more for exhausts. I replaced the cage in my GT6 with a hand powered tube bender with a good ratchet mechanism. It was accurate, inexpensive, good exercise and fun. Thus meeting most of the FOT requirements. Sorry to get in on this late Bill B GT6 (soon) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:26 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 16:46:19 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:46:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fun weekend at VIR! Message-ID: <59723A53-CE71-4465-B87B-7579332BAE77@141.com> It was great to get out to VIR - it had been way too long! Henry, Tony, Leo, Dennis, Dean, Bob W., George W., Captain Rob, Mark Craig (with a '72 Spit and soon to be nominated to the FOT) and I all had cars there, and Ernie and.the Marshalls (and Brad, of course) were there for support. If I missed anyone, I apologize! Poor Henry's engine only made it one lap, Rob's car developed a bad knock, Dean's car didn't make it much longer than Henry's, and my oil pressure got low and stayed there, so we went on the trailer before something catastrophic happened. When we left at lunchtime today, everyone else was doing well and looking forward to the last races. I'll let everyone fill In their own details... Brad and I got to shake the hand of the retired vice admiral of the Atantic fleet, Hank Giffin, who is a board member of VDCA and races a Morgan, and helped him work on his trailer lights. He is a very nice man, and showed some interest in possibly getting into a Spitfire instead of the Morgan. I did get two full days of racing and Henry was able to at least get one session in in Tristan, so I wasn't disappointed in the weekend at all, and I also get a billet bottom end out of this, since we can now use the Moldex crank we got last year, yay! I had hoped Henry and I could share the enduro, but oh well. There's always next time! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sun Apr 12 17:50:31 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Forgot the awards! Message-ID: <21098FA9-CC02-4F11-8DF8-C98F6924E8A4@141.com> Forgot to say earlier that Bob W. won the Wild Hare pursuit race and George W. won the Magruder(?) award!! Congrats, guys!!! Susan. :) Sent from my iPhone From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Apr 13 08:49:37 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:49:37 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street TR3 Message-ID: <20090413.104937.24360.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Amici, my son seems to have caught the bug from me and wants a TR3 to drive on the street. Anyone know of a "driver" that is available? Being that he is 18 he certainly does not need nor can afford a "show" car. I am in Connecticut, so a car in the Northeast would save some $$$ with transportation, but cars further away would not be out of the question. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to become certified as a project management professional. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxZ9l1qK46MzFQvNkKz3hZ972 gS5MfnotHDrUGWKzDl8sExKrIprva/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 13 11:12:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:12:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database References: Message-ID: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Apr 13 11:39:12 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve You forgot my favorites. http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr7 http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=triumph&model=tr8 Neat site...Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: April 13, 2009 1:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database I ran into this cool site over the weekend. Below are links to our favorite Triumphs and all the movies in which they appear. Now I'm going DVD shopping! Enjoy. ~Steve > > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR2 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR3 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph+&model=TR4 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=TR6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=GT6 > > > > http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Triumph&model=Spitfire Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Apr 13 15:42:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] IMCDB Internet Movies Cars Database In-Reply-To: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> References: <0670AEBA-754A-44BE-8824-93EF4ECA93E8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I had no idea that TRs were so popular with the French. Terry Stetler. From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Apr 13 19:32:49 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Wild Hare at VIR Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E306@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> We had fun at VIR as usual, the boys (and Susan!) came out to populate the Ghetto. We had way too much attrition, both Dean Tetterton and I didn't survive the first session. Many thanks to Susan and Brad, they insisted I take a session in her Spitfire and offered to share the enduro. I had a hoot in the Spit on Friday afternoon, but she came in Saturday afternoon with failing oil pressure, so on the trailer it went. The Wild Hare Pursuit Race had a Triumph powered winner! Bob Wismer started from the pole and ran a strong race. It was the closest finish in Wild Hare history, but in the end Bob and the Thunderbolt was declared the winner. Congrats Bob! Leo offered up the latest installment of the Martha McDougal award at the Saturday dinner, the deserving winner was George Wright. Look for a post soon with the whole story. Then we lost Capt'n Rob, his TR4 came in on Sunday warm-ups with a rod knock. The group 1 and 4 feature only had Mark Craig in a squaretail Spit. Mark ran strong. Then in the group 3,6 and 8 feature we only had George Wright, Tony Drews and Dennis DeLap in their TR4's, Leo Oddi in his TR250 and Bob Wismer in the Thunderbolt. George ran very well, got first in class and had a great run with a pair of BMW 2002's. Tony ran great at a track he only ran once before. Leo continues to run fast, and finished well. Dennis DeLap was having fun with a MGB-GT all weekend, and did so in the feature as well. Bob Wismer had a good run going until the Thunderbolt succumbed to yet another sunken carb float. It went two laps short of a perfect weekend, so Bob had no complaints at all. This event continues to be a real treat, tons of track time, low key, great people and a great time. Give it a try, you will come back for sure. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Apr 13 21:41:52 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wild Hare @ VIR - another version Message-ID: <20090414051241.2E80818766C@autox.team.net> Just got back home from the Wild Hare run at VIR. Long tow, worth every minute of it. We had great weather, LOTS of track time, a lot of nice people to play with both on and off the track. The Triumph Ghetto was awesome - the Friday Night Fish Fry with Captain Rob bringing the seafood was excellent, even if it did get a little precipitation. Saturday dinner was great, came back to a campfire and bench racing. I had great fun dicing with Leo in his TR-250 and a yellow MGB that was quick when it ran. We had several practice / qualifying sessions on Friday and Saturday - I was 2 to 4 seconds off of George Wright's times which is about as good as I can hope for there. In the final race, I was within a second of him in time, but I think he was being held up. VIR is an awesome track - the esses are about as much fun as you can have. Wide open IF you've got good handling and the cohones to really do it. I gained on almost everyone at the end of the esses. While there's not much passing in the esses, there are a couple of nice long straights that offer good passing opportunities. With its country club environment, and nice 60 / 70 degree highs, blue skies etc. it couldn't have been nicer. Susan and Henry have described the Triumph attendees pretty well - I really enjoyed my time with all of them. We had a pursuit race to end Friday (Handicap race with the "slowest" cars at the front), a feature race to end Saturday and an enduro on Sunday (I skipped that one), and a feature race on Sunday to end the weekend. I had the best dices in the Saturday feature race, but didn't have the camera in the car. Plenty of happy drivers after both of those. In the Sunday race, I got held up by a couple of V-8 cars - a Mustang stopped my exit speed from Oak Tree and gave Leo clear sailing by me, and a badly smoking GTO / Tempest slowed my exit from the esses on the next lap. He did us the favor of taking 3/4 of a lap while having an obvious oiling problem - leaving quite a trail near the end of the run. He may have left some oil in the final turn of the esses which is the fastest corner on the track. While trying to make up time to catch back up to Leo and the MGB I got sideways somewhere over 100 in that corner and narrowly averted disaster. I rejoined without having lost much track position, luckily. George's description of smiting his car in that same area was circulating in my head as I regained control and got pointed away from the tire wall. Chris Marx, I have VIDEO of this - it will be coming soon. :) I did end up catching and passing the MGB - I used the oil slicks against him. I figured out pretty quickly what to avoid and where I could go hammer down. Caught him coming to the one lap to go mark. Another lap or two and I could have joined the fight with Leo and Tivvy in a very well driven Jag XK-140. I was sad to see the mechanical failures of especially the Triumph crowd. Hopefully everyone will make speedy repairs and rejoin the fray. Great friends, great track, great weather, great racing, life is good. - Tony Drews From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Mon Apr 13 23:29:22 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] "1" piston needed Message-ID: <683666840.1143381239686962840.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I need one JE piston, 87 mm bore, flat top to replace one that developed piston slap. The pistons were ordered thru BFE about three years ago. Inversely, I may have three for sale if I cannot locate a replacement. Make offer! Also, looking for a black or redB tonneau cover for a TR4 or the cover for a 64 TR4 that covers the top bows in the down position. If you have either item available, please contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net B Thanks! 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(http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) From KENMUN at aol.com Tue Apr 14 13:36:44 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating Message-ID: during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast after a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the #4 plug was wet. i've removed the head and don't see any obvious cause. the head has .100" removed, 87mm bore and i use a steel gasket with soft copper sealing wire on both sides. that seems intact. also, can you reuse the steel gasket? anyone have any ideas? thanks, ken m. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 13:43:00 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast after > a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > #4 plug was wet. When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. HTH, Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 13:49:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast >> after >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > HTH, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Apr 14 14:27:20 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:27:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: <354a1780904141243k8f476blac2b9eb78d4d6cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 14:36:05 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:36:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8B57C3E4F426-ADC-7D6@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> I agree, especially the checking the liner height part. This is very critical, especially with the steel gasket. Also check for clearance on top of the water pump housing under the head. If it's hitting, the head won't clamp down good. It shouldn't be necessary to add wire in order to get a good seal, something is wrong.. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: budscars at comcast.net; emanteno at gmail.com; kenmun at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating since the heads off............pressure test it, check the liner height and fit a"new" shim gasket. make sure the block to head surface is clean clean clean ! good luck Tony > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: emanteno at gmail.com; KENMUN at aol.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:49:31 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > It sounds like a head gasket to me...sometimes it takes very close > inspection of the gasket..look for dark tracks where the water may have > leaked under/over the gasket without actually burning the gasket. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irv Korey" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] tr3 over heating > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > > >> during the last race at sebring in feb the tr3 got very hot very fast > >> after > >> a couple laps. when i checked there was very little coolant left and the > >> #4 plug was wet. > > > > > > > > When this happened at Road America in Jim Hill's TR6, it was a head gasket > > leaking into the water jacket, heating and pressuring the cooling system. > > > > HTH, > > > > Irv Korey > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Apr 14 15:55:08 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Classic Car Club Message-ID: <20090414225501.B0265187656@autox.team.net> I'll bring my notebook and projector to the DCTRA meeting tonight and if we want to (and have time) I can play the TR4 segment from the recent episode of Classic Car Club on HD Theater. The clip is just under 5 min. long. For those DCTRA members that want to see the clip and won't be able to attend the Club meeting this evening I have converted the clip to Flash and put it on the Club's website. It's at the top of the videos on the Gallery page. FYI, the icon on the player between the time clock and the volume control will let you toggle the video from the small embedded window to full screen. http://www.dctra.org/?page_id=22 Also, Remember if you would like to have the site reflect your own car I am happy to make a custom theme based on your car. To see site using a theme based on other DCTRA members cars use the "Theme Switcher" on the top left hand menu. Once you select a theme the site will always appear to you using that selected theme. The "Default" theme is Jim Bauder's TR250. If you want your own theme just send along a nice photo of your car. Make sure to give me a bit of a wide shot so that I can position your car within the header image. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Apr 14 17:00:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New member request Message-ID: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Hi everyone, We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, whatever, as an intro to everyone. Have a great day! Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 17:08:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <21D1EC2EE8C34005AF1617B5DB1FC2F4@Bud> I second..! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: [Fot] New member request > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. > (He also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > > Mark C., when Mark Bradakis (Oh Magic ListMeister) gets you added to the > list, you set your reception preferences and you will start getting > emails. When you get added, it would be nice if you would post a little > about yourself - how you got started, info about your car, where you race, > whatever, as an intro to everyone. > > Have a great day! > > Susan :) > > -- > No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 19:14:23 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:14:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member request In-Reply-To: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> Message-ID: <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the > FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. (He > also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) > > I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his > email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. ;-) Irv Korey From budscars at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 19:44:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New member request References: <49E5159C.4010604@141.com> <354a1780904141814p5e0cb658u7c13b2589d85c260@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9659455AB5D74943A1199748A1FB7D83@Bud> I second the nomination! Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irv Korey" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member request > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We met an avid Spit pilot at VIR this weekend who would love to join the >> FOT. His name is Mark Craig and he runs a nice white '72 Spitfire in FP. >> (He >> also runs DieselPerformanceParts.com, if anyone needs diesel parts...) >> >> I am thrilled to add another Spitfire to the ranks! I have included his >> email on this distribution - would someone please give him a second? >> > > Second. Welcome Mark. If Susan likes you, you must be okay. > > ;-) > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 20:33:20 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 over heating Message-ID: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 14 21:55:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run Message-ID: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. - Tony From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 09:11:07 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] First pass video, VIR wild hare run In-Reply-To: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> References: <20090415045504.8FB96187657@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860904150811p15e90ec5x657ae0fd7342e36d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Tony, If you convert the video to mpeg4 (using h264) as the compression, it will end up looking pretty good on google or youtube. WMV to youtube or google does not work very well. If you want, I can convert the video for you. Let me know offline, and you can ftp it to me, and I will convert it and post it on my ftp site. -Mark On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2791216364093155325 > > Edited down a bit, kinda mediocre picture quality when Google converted it > from wmv to whatever they use. I see that You Tube offers high def video > but 10 min or less. I'll edit it down more and get it there so it looks > nicer. I'll probably stick the 450 MB full length mpeg on my website too. > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Apr 15 06:30:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car Message-ID: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Apr 15 19:13:26 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front seal Message-ID: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when I hope to replace it. Can anyone help? Thanks, Greg From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 19:07:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] front seal References: <000001c9be30$8ebcb810$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <73251220B31B4CB489D0FC17029FB86B@Bud> Hi greg..for..what triumph? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] front seal >I am looking for a part number or dimensions for a front seal to be used > with the narrow pulley harmonic balancer the BFE sells (I believe it is > the Moss kit). The stock seal I am using is leaking badly. I won't have > a chance to pull the front cover and measure it until this weekend when > I hope to replace it. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 16 00:33:59 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare Message-ID: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 16 00:47:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:47:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car In-Reply-To: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> References: <20090415161726.D756718766C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Started sweating blood when you've left the track......great video and noise! Critics: Shorten the intro and show more tracktime ;-) 1.00 min into length is quite a lot with only one name on the credits ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 14:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Better video from Wild Hare in-car The new You Tube HD video rocks. I edited my in-car video down to 10 minutes (probably more watchable anyway) and put it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNy-MnclSI Picture quality is MUCH better. - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Apr 16 06:42:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:42:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare In-Reply-To: <20090416073305.C0B8A187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony Thanks for sharing. Nice photos and video. It would be great to have someone post similar from each event throughout the year, for all who can't make the race. Sure hope someone is going to the Mitty... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: April 16, 2009 2:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Final word (?) from VIR Wild Hare I put together some pictures as well as the various versions of my in-car video (full length, full quality one is there too) on my website at: http://www.tonydrews.com/VIR-4-12-2009/VIR-4-12-2009.htm - Tony Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 08:40:22 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Thu Apr 16 10:22:30 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Head mechanic- Couple things to think about... Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. Often off my rocker myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi,? ? ? So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? ? But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? ? So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? ? Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? ? Regards,? rml? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From bownes at seiri.com Thu Apr 16 10:43:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah. Been through this. I ended up shimming the rocker pedestals and shortening the pushrods. Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, wrote: > Head mechanic- > > Couple things to think about... > Be sure that the threads of the studs extend down into the hole in the head...ya don't wanna torque the nuts down and find out that they're just bottomed on the stud and not squeezin the head down! > Shimmin the rockers will change the geometry betwixt valve and rocker...if you've cut the head that much, you've probably shortened the pushrods to get the correct geometry.? If not you need to do that and shimming the rockers may be a step in the right direction for that issue.? If the geometry is already set, just pull the offending studs one at a time and shorten the tops for the needed clearance...shouldn't affect the head gasket seal. > > Often off my rocker myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > To: Tim Hutchisen > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 7:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > > > Hi,? > ? > ? > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/-? > ? > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH.? > ? > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need.? > ? > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.? > ? > Regards,? > rml? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent? > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!? > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? > ? > http://www.fot-racing.com? > ? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? > ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 10:53:12 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:53:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 10:54:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the advice. The pushrods should be all set, they are .120 shorter than stock. The former head was about .025 thicker - not a huge change. I'm 100% certain that the studs were bottomed in the holes less about 1/4 turn and the nuts are not bottoming on the unthreaded portion of the studs. I did check that. I'm a tad leery about trimming the existing studs, but I only gotta take off maybe one complete thread. I've done that plenty of times with trailing arm studs. Thanks again... Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 16 11:00:57 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CB8CC6AC52F9FB-A10-F7C@webmail-mh08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:04:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <5CAFCDE94BF749678A8A60F5F8E50609@jdnet.deere.com> -- Randall > well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, Don't know if they have them in your area, Bob, but around here the "99 Cent" store chain usually has "reading" glasses for $.99. I bought an assortment of them in various strengths, and keep them scattered all over the place so I can grab a pair any time my eyes need a little help. Of course I've needed since I was 12, so it's not as big a blow to my ego to need a little help Randall From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Thu Apr 16 11:50:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos Message-ID: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. Thanks, M From KENMUN at aol.com Thu Apr 16 12:53:37 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:53:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: fot, thanks for all the responses. now i have a head id question for tr3/4. i've got 4 heads; 3 have 1 5/8" intakes and have the following cast into the top of the head; "a", "h29": "m"," p79 ": "m", "p286". the 4th has 1 1/2" intakes and cast "a", "302137" and a stamped "11395". anyone what the difference might be? thanks, ken m. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Apr 16 13:03:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Foam for videos In-Reply-To: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> References: <49E76FEA.9070309@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C92B19B-E264-4D31-890B-703AC88ACDF9@gt6.ca> Duct tape. A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 16-Apr-09, at 13:50, Mark Eginton wrote: > I need to find the correct foam and how much to use on a video tape > recorder to keep the wind roar from dominating the sound track. > > Thanks, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Apr 16 16:45:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:45:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <19D6C8FE8286462CB09738C71E4C095E@GEOFFPC> Robert I have recently fitted a Goodparts ATI damper to my TR6 race car and found I had to reposition the motor back to clear the steering rack due to the damper sticking out from the block further than the standard . The motor revs very smoothly to 7500 with the damper. Over Easter I pulled 7300 down conrod straight at mount panarama. Strongly recommend full circle crank thrust washer if you are doing serious racing. Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer down under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Tim Hutchisen" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read > micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of > trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the > crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability > of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly > out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of > thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When > the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the > shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I > needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on > the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in > place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" > think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion > chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the > rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference > in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to > determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I > should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% > sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can > convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:32:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:32:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, Richard does make the best stuff so the damper fitment is no surprise. The arp studs are longer but have longer threads on the top end which allows for a thinner head. ARP lengh is 4.843 stock is 4.75. I run a lot thinner head 16.38/1 compression. The heads are at a machine shop so I can't measure them now. I do have to shave a little off of the top of the number 1 and number 12 stud because of clearance issues with Richards roller rocker pedestals. Change the studs out one at a time and you won't have to change the head gasket. Also pay close attention to ARP's torque specs, and check often. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:40 AM To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question Hi, Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end-float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant installation... highly recommended. So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for 11.9xx:1 +/- But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with the rocker pedestals. UGH. So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 17:38:19 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, It could be you have broken rings from detonation. I ran stock pistons with 14.5/1 with no broken piston ring problems until I put in a 110 main jet when I should have put in 120. I did get new (stronger) glasses to solve the jet problem.:-) Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:01 PM To: robert bownes Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question... now studs On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, robert bownes wrote: > Going to try to 'undo' this sometime this summer and put a thicker > head back on as the compression was just too much for the stock > pistons to take without regularly breaking rings. Compression ratio: almost 12:1 Pistons: forged venolia +.040" and ceramic coated. Fuel: $9 per gallon 110 leaded. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 17:57:44 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <3125F6C7242442F7A5628B0DAE8D817D@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <1A6C83246D5848BCB422E523C52DF37C@ComputerPC> Forget their moly lube! Use engine oil and torque them to the standard manual setting. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: [Fot] ARP main cap bolt torque - GT6/TR6? > Anybody know what the torque for the ARP crank main cap studs should > be with moly lube? ARP couldn't tell me unless I told them what part > # of theirs is in the engine. I got the engine with ARP hardware > installed and don't have any parts numbers to give to ARP. > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Update on the crank thing... I measured the crank to the best of my > ability (I have to admit that it takes me a while to recall how to > read micrometers properly... well that and the fact that I have a lot > of trouble seeing the gradations on the micrometers, but I digress) > and the crank is round (to within .0005) and it also true to within > the capability of my dial indicator. I did discover that the crank end- > float is slightly out of spec, but it's a TR6 - I think that's a given > (and I have a box of thrust washers to play with. > > What I wound up doing was installing the Goodparts ATI superdamper. > When the parts arrived, I sat reading the directions and then went > around the shop and garage picking up this and that (like a brake > hone) in case I needed to "help" the fitment... the thing literally > bolted on. The part on the crank is nice and tight, but almost no > effort was needed to draw it in place. This was a very pleasant > installation... highly recommended. > > So now I move on to the next "issue". I'm installing a head that is > 3.290" think. Yes, that is not a misprint. I cc'd the head and the > combustion chambers are 36cc's pretty much what I was looking for > 11.9xx:1 +/- > > But the head is so freakin' "thin" that the studs are interfering with > the rocker pedestals. UGH. > > So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the > dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the > difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm > trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of > those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or > clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. > > Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so > toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone > can convince me otherwise. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 19:25:09 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question Message-ID: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 16 19:32:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:32:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: busted ammeter is a pretty good guess. disconnect it and see what it does. On Apr 16, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or > so, I > noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge > remained > in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter > operated > normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work > on the > car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so > does anyone > have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Apr 16 20:10:12 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From srcypher at mac.com Thu Apr 16 20:58:59 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:58:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Harmonic Dampener Question (now studs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B82BF27-AF33-4800-B4DD-38FE1291B794@mac.com> Another option, now that you know overall length, is to call ARP's specialty department, (Ask for Jay Coombs), 805-525-1497. Tell him the specifics on OAL, thread and pitch, and he can look up if they have a specific part that matches your need. Sometimes someone else does a custom run of a specific stud close to, or exactly, your needs, and they have over-run units. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Mike Munson wrote: ARP leng th is 4.843 stock is 4.75. -----Original Message----- So here's the next question: could someone please provide me with the dimensions of the ARP head studs for TR6 / GT6? Especially, the difference in the length of the ARP studs to the stock pieces. I'm trying to determine if I should bite the bullet and install a set of those or if I should just shim the pedestals to get another .020" or clearance (I'm 99% sure that's all I need. Of course I already installed the head gasket and torqued the head, so toss in a new head gasket (I presume) for good measure. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.59/2063 - Release Date: 04/16/09 16:38:00 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Apr 16 21:24:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:24:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr3 overheating Message-ID: /fKCm53: Permission denied From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Apr 17 00:02:29 2009 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:02:29 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Wheel Options Message-ID: I9m sure this has been covered before, but rules have changed here in Australia so now I9m interested. We are now allowed to use 15 inch alloy wheels up to 5.5 inches wide (and the new Hoosier Speedster tyres). So I9m now looking for the most sensible choice of wheel. I know that Panasports are popular and I understand they make one in that size called the FS 1555. There also appears to be a Panasport agent here. But interested in your thoughts and possible alternatives. Wes Dayton (Sydney - TR3A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:08:13 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:08:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: List: AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is hangared. Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. Joe Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Fri Apr 17 09:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 09:44:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:44:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Same kind of place you find 500 miles of Open Road at Elkhart Lake. :-) > Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? > > Joe C. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 17 09:50:49 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:50:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 10:10:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9bf77$17d26e50$47774af0$@net> BIG BATHTUB or long one Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:51 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In a message dated 04/17/2009 10:08:52 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. > Joe... You drinking? Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? Bill (Damdinger) ************** Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuy& src=platforma&adid=aolfooter&newurl=reg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 17 10:30:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:30:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Message-ID: Bill D Asked and Answered!.....you turn left or right...as long as there is water under you. BTW, Lee Buchanan is quite fit. He ran the 300 miles without a 'relief' driver. He couldnt get anyone to travel to Phoenix with him as relief driver. If I had known, I fear I might have volunteered...everyone should be fearful about that. Joe A > Joe... > > You drinking? > > Where does Lee run a 300 mile boat race near Phoenix? > > Bill (Damdinger) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Apr 17 11:04:29 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. In-Reply-To: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> References: <20090417112100.JHEZE.177012.imail@eastrmwml38> Message-ID: 600 laps around Firebird? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitlist at cox.net Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] some AMBRO History..............and the Mitty. Hey Joe! Where does one find 300 miles of water near Phoenix? Joe C. ---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List: > > AMBRO News: FOT Networking at it's best. > > Due to Gary Horstkorta, 'the great communicator', I was able to visit the > original builder of the AMBRO 'Hustler', while sitting on Lee's Patio > (overlooking the Mighty Mississippi). > > Lee Buchanan is well into his 70s and extremely active. We were sitting > near his racing boat that he recently ran in a 300 mile race near Phoenix. We > were also not far where his RV-8 high performance composite aircraft is > hangared. > > Lee built the Ambro Hustler in his 20s and ran it with the best at the Road > America's 500s and other venues. He would like to build another....we will > see. He may be at Blackhawk Farms with us in June. > > The Mitty....The FOT will be flying the 20+ foot long banner at the Mitty. > Steve Benford & I will be easy to find. Please join us. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 11:47:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9befb$59892a40$0c9b7ec0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54629E238B3448B785F234434E44D99A@jdnet.deere.com> > busted ammeter is a pretty good guess I agree. Just wanted to add that with it disconnected, unless you jumper the wires together somehow, nothing else will work. -- Randall From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Apr 17 13:42:36 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Anyone have a working Lucas Ammeter they'd like to sell? I need one for a 1969 TR6. The current dial face has white letters on black background and the needle pivots from the top between a C+ on the left and D- on the right of the gauge. Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement gauge. Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 17 14:52:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter In-Reply-To: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000f01c9bf94$a9279b60$fb76d220$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Alternately, I'd also like to know of a good source for a replacement > gauge. If appearance is not critical, any standard 2" (or sometimes called 2-1/16") gauge will fit and work. Not sure how likely your FLAPS is to carry them, but the on-line stores seem to still have them. For example http://tinyurl.com/cspkk4 I'd offer you an old TR3 Lucas ammeter, but I doubt they look the same as your TR6. -- Randall From BLD4139 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 17:12:00 2009 From: BLD4139 at aol.com (BLD4139 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 21:20:28 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Replacement Ammeter Message-ID: <004701c9c09d$ca0fee90$5e2fcbb0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Thanks to all who responded to my request for a replacement ammeter for my TR6. As usual, FOT has come through and I have a gauge on the way. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 19 05:32:48 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedster Message-ID: <456511.13037.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - anyone have a Hoosier Speedster 205x15 that they could sell me? I chunked one at VIR last weekend. Thanks Dennis From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 08:39:46 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [ mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! ( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of BLD4139 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT inspections?....Thanks... Mike DiCola VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! ( http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Apr 19 09:35:32 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1843390738.3365851240151986042.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090419113532.FEEEV.776818.imail@eastrmwml36> A similar thing happened to me as I was returning from the VTR in Dallas a couple of years ago. I was towing my double deck trailer with two Spits on it and the Texas DPS trooper thought I was hauling them commercially. I quick look at all the stuff I had in my tow rig convinced him otherwise. Joe C. ---- norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > While I don't have a good answer for your question, it did remind me of a racing experience with a roadside inspection. In 1975, one of my best friends decided to try racing his Spitfire at Sears Point for the first time. It's a fairly long tow from Portland so his "sponsor" loaned him a motorhome for the trip. Coming home, we decided to drive straight through so we could go to work Monday morning. At about 5am, I was driving about 100 miles from home when I was pulled over by a state trooper. The car of course was on an open trailer. He asked to see my commercial permits and of course, I said "what???" Anyway, after looking over the car for about 5 minutes, he let me on my way. Bottom line he was bored at 5am. > > > > BTW, I'm writing this from Portland Intl Raceway, where they now have good wi-fi access. Patty's sprint race is in 90 minutes, the car's ready to go and it's a sunny day - wahoo! > > > > Jim Norlin From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 10:30:02 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (norlinengineering at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Message-ID: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Apr 19 10:38:06 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49EB536E.7020504@bright.net> Jim, tail housing breakage can be caused by misalignment of front and rear mountings. Example, if the front motor mounts are bolted firmly into place and the trans mount doesn't want to "lineup" it's pretty easy to force the gearbox one direction or another to attach the mounts. We always found it best to set engine and gearbox in place with mount bolts loose. Shake the engine around a bit and let is settle where is wants. Then tighten the mounts. Also, using a GT6 rear "over the tail housing strap" will help. Ted norlinengineering at comcast.net wrote: > Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 > gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I > remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm > pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced > when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you > recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or > add an intermediate mount or?? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Apr 19 11:21:07 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 12:24:31 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <8CB8F2A5C5F86DB-32C-5B31@WEBMAIL-MZ01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <268693164.3338151240165471219.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Drive shaft balance and alignment are the two reasons I've seen for the tailshaft housing to crack.B I've had this issue too. Also check your mounting mechanism.B If you run solid mounts for the front engine mounts ensure you use a solid mount for the rear engine mount.B I solid mount the diff, gearbox and engine and after I switched from the poly mounts on the rear/gearbox mount to a solid mount I haven't cracked a tailshaft housing in 4 years. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: norlinengineering at comcast.net, Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:21:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Gearbox woes Yes this is common, often caused by a driveshaft out of balance, especially if you feel a driveline vibration at certain speeds. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: norlinengineering at comcast.net To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B B This happened last year as well.B B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 17:29:03 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name Message-ID: Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Apr 19 17:45:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] track name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mosport? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of rob Sent: April 19, 2009 7:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] track name Can anyone tell me the track name with the abrv. of MOS thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Apr 19 18:21:31 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:21:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Early Saloon gearbox parts Message-ID: Amici, I just tore down an old saloon style box numbered 14G54 just to get a thrust washer. What a strange beast. It has a dipstick hole in the shifter top. Long loose needle bearings in the layshaft and linkage on the side. Reverse gear has TWO sets of gears? I don't kbnow what it is but if there are any old TR types looking for these bits they are available gratis. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Apr 19 18:28:22 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:28:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Message-ID: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 48246 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Apr 19 18:46:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: <20090420012720.52A83187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: 828-692-5665 or 828-489-2933 Nice guy. He helped me out one time when a friend was in need of parts for his TR4. He met us at his shop on a Saturday night when he was supposed to be at a party. While at his shop some people showed up with beer and a party ensued there among a GT6 racecar project and several supercharged spits and TRs. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:28 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bennett French Looking for a phone number for Bennett French. I lost some of my data in my hard drive. Thanks Walt Hollowell From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:50:48 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205048.23949.3@webmail05.dca.untd.com> My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Apr 19 18:56:39 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:56:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: <20090419.205639.23949.4@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Well that link did not work, so how about this one? Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Apr 19 19:04:19 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Apr 19 20:35:10 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:35:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Gearbox woesGT6 Message-ID: When our late GT6+ had the output shaft fail in the spline area for the propshaft flange, I discovered that the GT6 MK3 shaft and tail hsg were stronger, and I believe that the rear Brg is larger. Good luck finding these pieces. I do have the MK3 parts books. Hardy In a message dated 4/19/2009 10:01:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:30:02 +0000 (UTC) From: norlinengineering at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) From gp89 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 03:39:28 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 2:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090420053928.B8GB3.1172778.root@mp05> I had a friend with a laith make up a puller like the one A.P.T. shoes on their web site. It's real simple, two pieces machined to fit the inside of the bearing with a shoulder to push the edge through the block on a threaded rod. If those bearings look ok I would leave them. They only have a couple of races on them. Jeff ---- Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Apr 20 11:55:46 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <49ECB722.4060008@charter.net> Joe Guinan wrote: > Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper > tool or have a local machine shop install them? > > This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 > engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are > newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin > the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. > > Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new > large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full > race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross > events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice > would be welcome. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Joe I've installed many but always used the required tools. Lisle makes a good one. Do you have any contacts at a local community college or high school auto shop. I'm sure they have one gathering dust. If you were local to Ann Arbor, Michigan I have access to the tool. Glenn 72 Spit Racer From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 13:32:00 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:32:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: <000901c9c153$ef8c85a0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <48675462E9A34AEABF2ACFD72DC718B6@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Joe I agree with using the proper tool for the job. I would not run without the bearings. As far as cam choice goes, I'd think that the A7 would be good for autocross. I've not run one, but I have used the A6 and am currently using the A8. Neither the A6 or A8 are much good below 4500 rpm. The A6 taps out around 6500 while the A8 will go quite a bit higher. The A6 cam is streetable, but just barely. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? Anyone have any tricks? Or do I just have to break down and buy a proper tool or have a local machine shop install them? This is for Jeff Senty's old Midwest Council race Spitfire with an 1147 engine. I'd like to use the Kastner A7 cam I have (I realize there are newer grinds available, just trying to not buy parts). I guessed I'd ruin the new cam bearings installing them myself, and I did. Instead of installing the bearings, should I just go ahead and buy a new large journal cam? If I do that, I'll have to decide on what cam. A "full race" design will probably make the little 1147 a real dog in the autocross events I'd like to do (SCCA Nationals are nearby this fall). Any advice would be welcome. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Apr 20 13:46:37 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DOT: Any truck that you see with a DOT number has gone though the following; All drivers are on a drug testing program, Driver history has been checked for the last 3-5 years, A min. of 1 Million dollar lib. Insur. policy, annual inspections on truck and trailer(s), permits for each state you travel(based of weight) and in some states a Motor carrier permit is required if transporting autos and the list goes on............ and the best part !!! The feds change the law every 90 days. happy motoring Tony Garmey > From: BLD4139 at aol.com > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:12:00 -0400 > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT > > Hi Guys...got some questions regarding towing out Vintage vehicles and the > trucks and trailers we use...Mass has instituted a new DOT type inspection > for rigs with a GVW over 10,000lbs combined...I have no issue with > that...all for safety...but if there is a business connection, then the rule is to > get a DOT number...and their "qualifications" for it being a business are > wide and varied...anyone have any experiences with roadside DOT > inspections?....Thanks... > > Mike DiCola > VSCCA... Allard J2 and MG TD > **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. > Try the new Email Toolbar now! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 20 14:05:14 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:05:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, horizonracing at msn.com writes: > and the best part !!! The > feds change the law every 90 days. > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you pay for. What if they were efficient? Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) From bownes at seiri.com Mon Apr 20 14:28:09 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was a while back, but the MoHud Region of SCCA had a NYS trooper in to give us a presentation on this and similar subjects a few years ago. He was very forthright in his descriptions, and said 'Essentially if you are transporting something and are getting paid to transport it by a third party (more than just gas money) you are a commercial carrier and should go through all the associated legalities." He further went on to say that hauling a race car to/from the track where it is leased or rented out would also not count as commercial.' He further went on to say that, however, if you are hauling fuel and the like (compressed gasses etc) in your trailer, you are 'in general', because you are not commercial, you are not required to have permits, special license endorsements or placards. But that the NYSP and the fire departments sure would look on a placard as helpful. It was a great presentation in which he pretty much summed up how to relate to being pulled over as 'if what you are doing is legal, (unsaid was "or mostly so"), you're polite and not a jerk, you'll be all set. Cops generally don't give you a hard time if you don't deserve it.' And if they do give you a hard time, go see the judge. They know which guys are jerks and love to smack them down. iii On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 04/20/2009 2:52:10 PM Central Daylight Time, > horizonracing at msn.com writes: > > >> and the best part !!! The >> feds change the law every 90 days. >> > > Yeah...but be thankful. Be glad you don't get as much government as you > pay for. What if they were efficient? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Apr 20 21:37:42 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trick for installing Spitfire cam bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701c9c232$871937e0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Just a note to say "thank you" to all the FOT members who wrote with advice - too many to mention by name! Lots of good advice was given, and offers of help were extended. All was appreciated. This advice from Mr. Kastner was all I needed to hear - as it said it all. "No matter what advice you get do not install a large bearing cam that is a race grind. The valve spring pressure required for the cam will tear up the block as the block will not withstand the revs and pressure with cast iron on cast iron. Have the machine shop install the bearings to fit to the race cam bearing diameter. Way way cheaper in the long run or even the short run :-) By the way, that is a very good cam and better than most even now." I'll be having a tool machined for me, or will have a machine shop install the cam bearings. I'll chalk up the cost and lost time as payment for the knowledge I've gained. One bit of knowledge that I'm sure everyone on the list has learned is to stop working when you are tired. I ruined a $45 set of tri-metal main bearings for my street Spit one weekend, and a cheap set of cam bearings on the race Spit on another weekend. Both mistakes would have been avoided if I wasn't rushing to get the jobs done and over tired from trying to shoehorn wrench time into my schedule. I knew better, but not having even ONE Spitfire for the "Airport Speed Run" I'm running for our local Brit car club this weekend has really hammered the lesson home. If I keep learning these lessons, someday I'm going to be REALLY smart. Of course, I'll have to live until I'm 200 years old... Joe G From fpspitfire at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 08:47:23 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <1703216926.563401240411578289.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had their Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for not complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed commercial driver showed up to take it away. There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered commercial. I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a toter on the Pennsylvania turnpike. The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and explorer to tow with aaron johnson #87 HP spitfire 1500 southern illinois region scca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jaboruch at netzero.net Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:56:39 PM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico City / Monterrey Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Well that link did not work, so how about this one? B Joe http://www.jjkeller.com/ideaoftheweek/idea2315.htm?action_code=24492&spMailin gID=32245263&spUserID=MjIzMTY1MTczNQS2&spJobID=47077971&spReportId=NDcwNzc5Nz ES1 To: BLD4139 at aol.com Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:50:48 GMT My first try looks like it was too large, so I just included a link below. Joe(B) The federal DOT regualtions kick in at 10000 lbs. B If your vehicle weighs over 10,000 lbs and is being used commercially you are subject to DOT regs. B See below. Joe(B) >From JJ Keller: You can’t be serious! My pickup truck might be a CMV? - IOTW2315 - J. J. Keller & Associates, Inc. ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. B Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxULe1Llj0fNIrdKM5WB7tLbl 5aVEB35NBARsty8gtQN10iS4bRTxu/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 22 09:15:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very compromised vehicle. On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > their > Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona > for not > complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > commercial > driver showed up to take it away. > > > > There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the > requirements.B > Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > commercial. > > > > I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > toter on > the Pennsylvania turnpike. > > > > The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > explorer to > tow with > > > > aaron johnson From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 12:12:35 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty and Import Carlisle Message-ID: <49EF5E13.7060003@bright.net> Hello list. We have had some requests to bring specific parts to both the Walter Mitty vintage race at Road Atlanta and also to Import Carlisle. If you need parts brought to either event, please let me know as soon as you can. We are leaving for the Mitty on Wednesday, April 29. Will be in the vendor area on top of the hill. Apparel and parts both at the Mitty. We have a white, flip open side vendor trailer, with parts tables out front. For Import Carlisle -- will be in spaces E64 and 65. Will be there Thursday through Saturday with a canopy, no vendor trailer. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Apr 22 15:07:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:07:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that trailer." Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." And he went back to his car and drove off. We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >> their >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for >> not >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >> commercial >> driver showed up to take it away. >> >> >> >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >> commercial. >> >> >> >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >> toter on >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >> >> >> >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >> explorer to >> tow with >> >> >> >> aaron johnson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 22 17:37:50 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <49EFAA4E.10002@bright.net> Rocky and list. Interesting thread. We tow a lot and have for many years. The one thing we never do is put a name on tow vehicle or trailer. As soon as there is a name, the appearance screams "commercial". Then you get all the fun of scales, different plates, changes of insurance and more. Same thing goes for DOT #. For the small amount of fuel $$ savings in some states, the grief of filing reports, going over scales, having a log book, etc far exceeds any saving on fuel price. Ted Rocky Entriken wrote: > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS > you are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you > out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that > image, although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious > Kansas law -- trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required > to have tags. But mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on > that trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, > I can show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking > about." And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after > I went to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say > "KANSAS - Under 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a > car and carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears > truck tags. Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > >> I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a >> bit more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and >> buy a rig that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without >> special training is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I >> don't need any special training or licensing to hook a 34 foot >> airstream up to my F350 and drive all over the country seems absurd. >> I'm pretty sure everyone that tows their car to the track has had >> one of those moments when you realize that you're driving a very >> compromised vehicle. >> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had >>> their >>> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona >>> for not >>> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed >>> commercial >>> driver showed up to take it away. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the >>> requirements.B >>> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered >>> commercial. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a >>> toter on >>> the Pennsylvania turnpike. >>> >>> >>> >>> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and >>> explorer to >>> tow with >>> >>> >>> >>> aaron johnson >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2075 - Release Date: 04/22/09 17:25:00 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 22 17:56:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT References: <158978065.564091240411643336.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <627A9682-68FA-4523-A26E-83FDB69AEE06@bnj.com> <5AEF86DC69D04BB69692CC3D22DD777B@rocky> Message-ID: <052a01c9c3a5$eaeeaba0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > The first thing the trooper is going to do is eyeball what it APPEARS you > are doing, and if it APPEARS commercial he may stop and check you out. > > Hauling a Spitfire on an open single-axle trailer behind an automobile > (originally; behind a van* the past many years) I never created that image, > although I did get stopped once in connection with a curious Kansas law -- > trailers under 2000 lbs loaded weight are not required to have tags. But > mine looked as if it might be over 2M. > Trooper (very politely): "You know you're required to have a tag on that > trailer." > Myself (very innocently): "But officer, the car only weights 1405 lbs, I can > show you in the rulebook, and the trailer's only 500." > Trooper (very gently): "Well, I guess you know what you're talking about." > And he went back to his car and drove off. > > We won't get into how much overweight my car is. :-) But soon after I went > to a local TV shop and bought one of those tags that say "KANSAS - Under > 2M." Never had a problem since. Not even in other states. > > * Another Kansas quirk -- a van used as personal transportation is a car and > carries car tags; a van used commercially is a truck and wears truck tags. > Mine has car tags, of course. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] towing and DOT > > > >I only wish the regulations were consistently enforced and perhaps a bit > >more rational. The idea that someone can go to an RV store and buy a rig > >that weighs more than 20,000 pounds and drive off without special training > >is disconcerting. For that matter the idea that I don't need any special > >training or licensing to hook a 34 foot airstream up to my F350 and drive > >all over the country seems absurd. I'm pretty sure everyone that tows > >their car to the track has had one of those moments when you realize that > >you're driving a very compromised vehicle. > > > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:47 AM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > > > >> A couple years ago the MazdaTrix guys were headed to runoffs and had > >> their > >> Toterhome/trailer impounded at a DOT inspection station in Arizona for > >> not > >> complying with the regs.B The rig wasn't released until a licensed > >> commercial > >> driver showed up to take it away. > >> > >> > >> > >> There is a big gray area with racers tow vehicles and the requirements.B > >> Certainly in the SCCA world because of contingencies it is considered > >> commercial. > >> > >> > >> > >> I think someone else was hit for violating the per axle weight on a > >> toter on > >> the Pennsylvania turnpike. > >> > >> > >> > >> The regs are too confusing for me.B I'll keep the 16' trailer and > >> explorer to > >> tow with > >> > >> > >> > >> aaron johnson > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Wed Apr 22 21:19:26 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:19:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:16:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, william.tobin3 at verizon.net writes: Rocky, in PA if the van has windows, it's a car. If not it's a truck with higher priced tags. We always went for window vans! ==AM== It used to be somewhat like that in New York, where only passenger cars were allowed on certain limited-access "Parkways" such as the Taconic State Parkway. Years ago, enterprising owners of sedan deliveries would cut the sides and put small windows in to qualify for regular passenger car registrations. In recent years, though, New York has allowed those "passenger" registrations on smaller pickups and vans if the owner so desires. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) From jibjib at att.net Wed Apr 22 22:49:57 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] towing and DOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Guys, how about those "Not For Hire" stickers I see on some larger two vehicles? Jack From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Apr 23 06:34:19 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 23 08:08:33 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <20090423140834444.KDGS23317@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps > and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water > out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no > water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is > baffled. Have you checked for exhaust gas in the radiator? If it's getting exhaust gas, then you know it's a leakage problem and can concentrate on that area. If not, then you know to look elsewhere, like the lower hose getting sucked closed; or plain old overheating of course. The tool to check for exhaust gas in the radiator is only about $75 new, I found a lightly used one on eBay for $25. Or any radiator shop should be able to do the test for you for about $15. (This one looks like the chemical is getting old, it's just an example of what I'm talking about) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310137095816 Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:02:47 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps leading up to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all large air bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the engine is running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the shaft. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Morning Members, Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:10:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:10:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <3671F34959C84368842D7B45F6342E01@Bud> Hi randall.....a couple of things that happened on my 1296 spitfire race car.....I was losing water from the FREEZE PLUG BEHIND THE WATER PUMP HOUSING(not a visible plug).....this would overheat the engine and then the overheating would fill the catch can..eventually I cooked the engine and cracked the head.. Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 23 10:17:50 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <07892E311E1B4E03B175D26850DEAAFE@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <96C61F50-6B8C-476C-A490-8BC1EF5A0D62@bnj.com> The first thing I always think of is a hose on the suction side collapsing. On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > What's happening with the temperature guage during the 4-6 laps > leading up > to this? Do you run a thermostat? Has the system been bled of all > large air > bubbles? Have you checked to see that water is flowing when the > engine is > running? The impeller on the water pump can come loose from the > shaft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such > > > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills > the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket > issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all either. > Everyone > I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to race and have > this > keep causing bad weekends!!! > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:28:41 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:28:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Apr 23 10:45:33 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:45:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: <200904231045562.SM02948@[166.70.182.40]> I would think the radiator cap rating would have to depend on the radiator that Craig is running. If it is a Triumph radiator I don't think the radiator would last long using a cap rated for 20 lbs. Just a thought........ Brad -----Original Message----- From: REK46 at aol.com Sent 4/23/2009 6:28:41 AM To: Billb at bnj.com, norlinengineering at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such use HD hoses or ones with steel coil...use a good race rad cap...20ish lbs ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 10:50:52 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: Does the temp go up pretty quick before this happens.?....yu may have a air pocket in the rear head ..very common unless you can fill from higher point or rad is higher than head...yu can use the plug hole at RR of top of head to bleed ,or an expansion tank(best) above the head level...yu need something higher than the head to keep this from happening ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Apr 23 11:00:32 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:00:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: something else to ck:..crank pulley shud be smaller than waterpump pulley or cavitation and too fast a speed will not allow cooling and wear-out pump..I use a 1500 pump with lge pulley and a smaller crank pulley....don't forget ,these cars were made with 4-5000rpm max....racing is much higher and the waterpump needs to run slower than the crank ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Apr 23 11:21:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:21:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <49F0A37D.4070900@dfn.com> Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: > Morning Members, > > Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then > fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head > gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all > either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to > race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > > If the engine isn't overheating until the loss of coolant is excessive, have done all the checks to rule out leaking exhaust gases pressurizing the system, etc., I would take a long, hard look at the water pump. I once had a similar problem, and it turned out that the seal was worn in such a way that it would not leak coolant, but, would suck outside air in. At first, it was very perplexing, but, once the pump was replaced, the problem disappeared. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 15:24:41 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:24:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 Message-ID: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 23 15:30:17 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:30:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire Message-ID: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It looks nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter and the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger side where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to look any further at it. I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for another restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email them if anyone is interested. Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. NFI. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUY6uoqcBXAyMTzrOmJA45AG pjZ71PpyCF0xKRjrYgucTBB2LXv24/ From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 23 21:39:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:39:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperforma nceparts.local> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Message-ID: <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold NO pressure. I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Apr 24 04:42:46 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire References: <20090423.173017.2960.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8DA08DC3BAF84976B05589EC48AA1FDA@userb38463fba5> What he meant by "Selling for a friend" is that if he sells it for that price the guy will be his friend for life! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Street Spitfire >I found a 69 Spitfire MK3 for sale at an auto dealer in Enfield, CT. > Apparently he is selling it for a friend. They are asking $2550. It > looks > nice from the outside, but the drivers floor was hacked up and a piece of > sheet metal fitted. The old floor is partially there around the perimeter > and > the newer floor is on top of that. There is some rot at the passenger > side > where the rear trailing arm attaches to the body. Seats are ripped. > Aftermarket exhaust system. Dealer says it runs. I did not have time to > look > any further at it. > I am going to pass on buying it, since I don't need or have time for > another > restoration project. I downloaded a few exterior pictures and can email > them > if anyone is interested. > Here is what the dealer had listed in the paper: > $2,550, Purple, 90,372 mi, AM/FM Cassette, Leather Interior > VIN:FDQ48127L26895FG, Stock No:3410, We are not responsible for listing > errors. Vehicles are purchased and added on a continuous basis so keep > checking us out!! For more information on any of our vehicles advertised > please call or e-mail Longmeadow Motor Cars, Inc. at 860.253.9587 or > longmeadowmtrcar at aol.com. > NFI. Joe(B) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 24 09:47:19 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:47:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such Message-ID: In a message dated 04/23/2009 10:39:55 PM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you > run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the > modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold > NO pressure. > You're talking to one when you talk to me. Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 type radiator cap, which accommodates that deep neck. I worked for me, when I sheepishly discovered the issue half way through a racing season with my early TR3. We had been trying different pressure rated radiator caps in an effort to solve an over heating problem, and didn't realize we needed to be sure and use a deep cap. Bill Dentinger ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Apr 24 14:33:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:33:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers Message-ID: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 24 14:56:16 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01E4041E9EAB4980902B36243A098DD6@jdnet.deere.com> > Actually, isn't the fix for that just being sure to use an early TR2/3 > type radiator cap, Although that will work, IMO a better solution is to have your local radiator shop put on a standard neck. Makes it much easier to try different pressures, and cost me less than $20. Plus personally I am fond of the "Lev-R-Vent" type caps that allow you to vent the system first without having to turn the cap. Less force involved means less likely to crack that long neck where it joins the radiator. Of course then you have to remember not to put a stock TR3 cap back on ... -- Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Apr 24 16:00:24 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers Message-ID: <7FA5B8E0A4AF4EEB8B1BEDEB91EDAB5B@RobPC> Hello everyone Is there any advantage to pluging the tube that allows air to flow form one carb to the other on the webber manafold Pluging this hole would make each a true individual runner thanks rob From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 16:13:17 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 In-Reply-To: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> References: <03337ADF-8DBA-490A-8664-F01028A4A9CD@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5457602BDE68429C8927EBCBD1F8D513@bkolnzPC> Hey Scott, Yes,,, I am currently running the R888's @ 205 on my '72 FP Spitfire 1300. Ran the same set last year on my old '63 1147 MKI, unshaved and with an open diff. I was very happy with their performance, and by Sunday of the 3rd day at TWS pushed them pretty hard in an attempt to find the limit. That didn't happen because I'm still a newbie in this car. (came up in a E36 M3 that I personally prepared for light track duty and ran RA1's shaved, which I loved dry and wet)... Probably have right at 12 heat cycles in them with well over 5/32 tread left, but the '72 has a welded diff., and Ed Barnard, who is doing all the heavy wrenching on the car tells me that will change, and that I may get as little as two 3 day events out of them. I was the first in my run grupe to try the 888's but think there will be more this year. I just hope Toyo doesn't stop production of this size!!! First event for the #8 is CVAR's Spring event at Eagles Canyon Raceway just west of Denton, TX. Cmon down and play with us!! Great circuit..... Bill Collins #8 FP '72 Spit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 16:24 Subject: [Fot] Toyo Proxes R888 > wondering if anyone has had any experience with these tires? > Available in the increasingly rare size of 205/60-13 for my GT6 From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Apr 24 19:50:48 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:50:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Hi all, Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? Anything else we should know? Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! Thanks, Susan :) -- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationary. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sat Apr 25 08:54:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:54:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty In-Reply-To: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> References: <49F26C78.4030707@141.com> Message-ID: <49F32439.207@mindspring.com> Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all, > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > Anything else we should know? > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > Thanks, > Susan :) > Susan, I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. I hope to catch up with you there. Mike 404-316-1583 cell From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:12:13 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 25 15:37:29 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:37:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such In-Reply-To: <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> References: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A4FD59D@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> <20090424043833.E9961187652@autox.team.net> Message-ID: My 4 forced water out on very long high speed straights where you go over 5500 rpm for about 30-40 sec. For this reason I now install a different water pump that is supplied by Moss and has 6 flaps with a nicer shape than the stock pump. I believe that this will cure the high speed problem. Maybe a similar problem with your engine? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2009 05:39 An: Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Water after 5-6 hard laps filling overflow and such One thing that has bit several people (not generally spits) is if you run an old radiator and the neck of the radiator is deeper than the modern ones. TR-3 radiators can have this issue. You basically hold NO pressure. I assume the overflow is connected to the radiator? - Tony Drews At 07:34 AM 4/23/2009, Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info wrote: >Morning Members, > >Got a 1300 Spitfire engine that will run great for 4-6 laps and then >fills the water overflow and starts to spit water out. Can't find a head >gasket issue, head isn't cracked, no water in the crankcase at all >either. Everyone I ask is baffled. HELP, tired of driving 500 miles to >race and have this keep causing bad weekends!!! > >Mark Craig >Diesel Performance Parts, INC. >411 Allied Drive >Nashville, TN 37211 >866-455-7788 Phone >615-834-9923 Fax >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 15:56:32 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:56:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes In-Reply-To: <237545210.3392071240158602277.JavaMail.root@sz0099a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Apr 25 16:45:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> References: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49F39275.2090103@bradakis.com> Scott Janzen wrote: > I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. > Wow, I didn't know you had an overhead cam engine in your GT6 - cool! I'm surprised that the Dolly Sprint ones are different than TR7. Luckily the ones from the 7 are the same as several Lotus applications, so when it is time to adjust the valves on one of the local Lotus cars I can get the pucks at a wholesale Triumph price instead of Lotus retail! mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Apr 25 17:53:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sprint valve shims (pucks) In-Reply-To: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> References: <49F361EB.4030809@jeack.com.au> Message-ID: The diameter of the pucks is .600, and they're about .170" thick....................Cheers Henry > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:18:03 +1000 > From: trrace at jeack.com.au > To: dos_gusanos at msn.com > Subject: Sprint valve shims (pucks) > > Hi Henry ,my name is Chris Swingler from Australia , I owned and raced > the Group 44 Tr7 for 22 years and have built many sprint engines and > some 2 valve engines,both engines use same shims (nominal 5/8 diameter) > It sounds like you may have non standard valve caps,What is the diameter > of your Pucks? > All the best > Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Apr 25 20:08:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:08:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Questions about the Mitty Message-ID: The Group 44 cars will be gridded in a tent in the paddock. We run the rest of teh spectator activites out of a huge tent on top of the hill. Please make sure you look me up and plan on attending our 25th Anniiversary party in that tent on Saturday night... live band, free beer etc. Should be a fun weekend and the forecast looks good so far. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 4/25/09 9:56:26 AM, fasttrs at mindspring.com writes: > Susan Kahler wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Brad and I will be spectating at the Mitty next weekend for the first > > time, and were wondering how things go there. Are spectators allowed > > into the paddock area/pits? How far is the infield parking from where > > everything happens? What should we take with us (chairs, are coolers > > allowed, etc.)? And where are the best spots to see the action from? > > Anything else we should know? > > > > Who else is going? Bob, are you still on to race? And Joe - we're > > REALLY looking forward to seeing you and Jan there. And of course we > > will come and see you, Tim and you too, Ted! > > > > We're leaving the motor home behind this time, so won't be camping. > > We're headed down Friday and back Sunday. > > > > Any info is appreciated! We're looking forward to it! > > > > Thanks, > > Susan :) > > > Susan, > > I will be heading down Friday after my son gets home from school. > Normally spectators are allowed into both paddock areas. Do be prepared > to do a lot of walking. I usually park in the infield area and walk to > the pro (infield)paddock and cross over to the main paddock by the > bridge over the front straight. The hill over turn 5 is where a lot of > Triumph people will spectate (and party!). The hill just past turn 5 is > also a popular site to spectate from because you can see from turn 3 to > turn 6. the area around turns 10 A and B is also a great place to watch. > Be careful driving down; people really drive crazy on I-75. > I hope to catch up with you there. > > Mike > 404-316-1583 cell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Apr 25 20:48:41 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:48:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers In-Reply-To: <05C05E1E-014C-40AD-A0CC-1752A551D304@comcast.net> Message-ID: I asked the people here for you...watch for the answer. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: April 25, 2009 5:12 PM To: dos_gusanos at msn.comdos_gusanos@msn.com Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Source for Dolomite Sprint valve Spacers I think I got some from APTFast (www.aptfast.com) for my GT6. You might try them as they seem to make and stock some obscure stuff. On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:33 PM, wrote: Hi Gang, any body have a good source for Dolomite Sprint Valve spacers/ pucks? TR7 ones aren't the same.....................Cheers Henry Morrison Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Apr 25 21:37:27 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:37:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Apr 25 23:23:10 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:23:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race car - $13500 (San Diego/Carlsbad) Message-ID: <49F3EFBE.9060107@greenheart.com> Just saw this on craigslist.... passing it on. --Justin http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1139331562.html From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 04:03:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that webers could be used in rally work. if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson does. i know that it is referred to in some books. joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Vucinic To: FOT Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Apr 26 07:51:34 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers References: Message-ID: Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:10:25 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260810w7c30c7abv4a21f08a159b23fd@mail.gmail.com> Dear Listers: Kas was kind enough to supply me with copies of the original FIA homologation papers which show Webers as an option and alternate piston sizes. I have bound copies for some of the So Cal guys but can supply copies (I do not know how to attach them to these posts) to anyone that sends me an email address. John Nikas On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 09:39:56 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB946D64F872B9-718-39C6@webmail-mh06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904260839p3a627850p39f14cd19be9b6c1@mail.gmail.com> Here they are: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:03 AM, wrote: > as/if i remember....ken richardson initiated the homologation so that > webers could be used in rally work. > > if jon macartney does not have insight to paperwork, perhap paul richardson > does. > > i know that it is referred to in some books. > > joe a? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Vucinic > To: FOT > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:37 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > > > > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of TR4 Homologation133 .pdf] From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Apr 26 09:42:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:42:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Message-ID: ah yes...the Graham Robson years...I stand corrected. From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 15:23:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris Message-ID: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! Racer Bud Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris check this video out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowsjag at aol.com To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: 275 GTB / Paris I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth another listen....and look Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way streets. Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:02:03 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:02:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Thats exactly what I was looking for! The 1963 papers show the 45DCOE Weber's. That fixes my problem for sure! Thanks very much for your kind assistance. Much appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 7:29 AM To: 'Peter Vucinic' Subject: AW: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Maybe helpful. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. April 2009 05:37 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Dear Lister's, I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation papers. Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the original (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase substantiation documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Apr 26 17:04:23 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:04:23 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, Thanks for that. Appreciate your help Cheers... -----Original Message----- From: TR4Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2009 11:52 PM To: Peter Vucinic; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers Peter Homologatiuon papers are available direct from the RACMSA for a charge. www.racmsa.co.uk I have a copy somewhere if i can find them, but for sure 45 DCOE Webers were homologated by Graham Robson in 1963 (if i remember correctly) for the TR4 rally cars. Contact me off list if you need help. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Homologation Papers > Dear Lister's, > > > > I have been trying track down, without success thus far, TR4 homologation > papers. > > > > Does anyone amongst us have any resources/documentation etc. of the > original > (1962/3) Homologation Papers for TR4's? I am trying to chase > substantiation > documents etc. with regards to the Weber Carburetors fitted under this > homologation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > __________ NOD32 4035 (20090425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Apr 26 20:39:51 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 275 GTB / Paris In-Reply-To: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> References: <2B9EA7C29230442DBD2357E767746225@Bud> Message-ID: <49F51AF7.5050407@verizon.net> Ah yes /Rendevous, /a wonderful film. But, as with most things in film, the truth is not what it seems. The car used was actually Claude Lelouch's personal Mercedes 450 6.9, and he was the driver, not some F1 ace as has been rumored. The Mercedes is a pretty quick car in it's own right and the camera hung off the front end inches from the ground multiplies the speed effect. The sound is overdubbed and if you watch closely, the sound track doesn't match the action. Additionally, some intrepid soul mapped the route from the film and then was able to calculate the actual speeds traveled. While they were over the speed limit, they were not astronomical. Even so, it's still a very cool little film. Cheers, Kurt O. (Who once took a taxi ride from the airport to a hotel in Paris that felt a lot faster than that!) RACER BUD wrote: > CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO! > Racer Bud > > > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:20 PM > Subject: Fw: 275 GTB / Paris > > > check this video out! > Racer bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowsjag at aol.com > To: jonbennasia at yahoo.com.hk ; bscanlon at sierramountain-inc.com ; > lbushnell at vom.com ; Jac3sf at aol.com ; delmorris at cox.net ; tfagg at cisco.com ; > pylonjudge at gmail.com ; listahr at mac.com ; nedhunter at marincounty.net ; > stuh at worldpac.com ; Tonyrebele at aol.com ; Turner.Carruth at comcast.net ; > wcweeks at sbcglobal.net ; budscars at comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:50 PM > Subject: 275 GTB / Paris > > > I had one of these.Oh! That sound! You may have seen this before, but worth > another listen....and look > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > > > >From a fast lane friend in North Carolina. > > Subject: Ferrari 275 GTB mad dash through the streets of Paris... > > On an early August morning in 1978, French film maker Claude Lelouch > mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and > had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed > through the heart of Paris early in the morning. The film was limited for > technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, > through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur. > > No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. > > The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 > MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, > dodging other automobiles, nearly hitting real pedestrians ... but I > think he clipped a few pigeons, and driving the wrong way up real one-way > streets. > > Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. > He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went > underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a classic. Go > full-screen, turn up your sound because you don't want to miss a single > beat of the Columbo V-12 exhaust, brace yourself ... and if possible try > to enjoy it if you can because it does get scary. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the > Radio Toolbar! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12250 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12250 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From mark at bradakis.com Sun Apr 26 21:14:19 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net spring cleaning Message-ID: <20090427031419.F06C72E090@bradakis.com> Kind of a cool and rainy Easter here in Salt Lake, no garage work but spending some time with the computers. I'm shuffling some stuff around, updating some software and so on, will be working at it for a while. So if you experience an hour or two of no connection with Team.Net don't worry about it too much, it is just me working on stuff. For those who are not aware, this list and all the others [ see http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo ] are run by some grumpy old curmudgeon using a rag-tag batch of hardware set up in my basement office. I didn't run an official spring fund drive this year which helps to defray my out of pocket expenses to keep it all going, but if you have a dollar or two available to support the whole thing, see http://www.team.net/donate.html Thanks, mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Apr 27 10:59:10 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: <000001c9c759$a7333ea0$f599bbe0$@com> We are planning on getting a HANS device. There was a vendor at Watkins last September and I am wondering if there will be a vendor at any of the VSCDA events this year or at Elkhart Lake at the SVRA events? I'm only about 60 miles from Pegasus in Milwaukee and can go there but thought maybe an "at track" vendor might be having "special" pricing. Thanks. What have you been paying for race gas this Spring? Just got some at the local circle track supplier (a Tri-Par filling station in Slinger, WI) and the price was $6.50/gal. for 111 octane leaded. I was told this was last Fall's price because they only get about two tanks a year and this is still last Fall's gas. Thanks again. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 27 13:49:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:49:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Message-ID: List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone is interested. The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial product will be available within a few weeks. I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 17:51:24 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:51:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] HANS device and price of race gas Message-ID: Typically there are not "Specials" on the Hans Devices. If you happen to be somewhere and are dropping major dollars on suit, shoes, helmet, etc. you "MIGHT" get 10%. At least that has been my experience when pricing them. Frankly after uncle jack and a couple of others last year I just bit the bullet and bought one. Even if I am worth more dead I don't think my wife would appreciate an early exit if I could have prevented it by driving sanely and wearing proper protection. Not sure what others are seeing but $6.50 a gallon for 111 leaded doesn't sound bad to me. Cheers, Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 #69 Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= Aprilfooter427NO62) From mark at bradakis.com Mon Apr 27 19:53:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: <49F66185.1090109@bradakis.com> Hmmm..... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:51:15 -0500 (CDT) From: tboyd at adlmail.com I bought an engine that was pulled from a Triumph factory race team car in 1975. The motor came from a hill climb car that was disassembled when British Leyland closed their completion department. My plan was to install it in a 66 Spitfire after upgrading the brakes, suspension and cooling. To make a long story short, the car was mostly completed but this motor was never installed. I was told before I bought it that a connecting rod bearing had spun but only light damage was done to the crankshaft. The pistons and connecting rods were lost in a move but I still have everything else. The cylinder head has double springs and alloy retainers. I was told that the competition dept shop had over 60 hours of bench time polishing and setting up this part. I also have the camshaft which is hand-stamped "Kastner S-2". I'm told this is a great cam for performance but still satisfactory for street driving. Its pretty obvious after 30 plus years that I'm not going to put this engine back together. If someone could use vintage racing parts with a little history and is willing to pay a fair price, please drop me a note. The car is still gathering dust in the wayback of the garage but that story is probably best left for another time. Car and parts are garage stored in Southeastern Minnesota. From Robertten1 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 20:12:58 2009 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:12:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: FOR SALE: Vintage race parts- Spitfire/GT-6] Message-ID: Is this a 1147 1300 engine ? Curious, Bob T. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Apr 28 05:43:11 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:43:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ Message-ID: I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the worst thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, Dave Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in the car Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to go through that again. I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 06:10:26 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:10:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3AB@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Racers, I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my failure I do have concerns... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 07:53:51 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting update on Group 44 GT6+ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0904280653o714e273fw53fd5c18ee91ef75@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to the ugly world of TR6 engines. I have spun thee berings [one at a time]. My recommendations: dry coat the bearings nitirde the crank install racestorations aluminum sump [helps stiffen the bloc] and adds a deeper pan,windage tray and more oil capacity install racestorations kit to stiffen the crank bearing retainers and replace the aluminum rear oil seal hod;ler with a steel one install an accusump plumb an external oil feed to the numberone galley plug from a T-fitting. one end goes to the accusump,one to galley and one to another T on the return line from the oil cooler [I actually have a block and feed numbers 1,2 and 3 externally].You need a one way valve after the cooler and before the T. Drill the holes in the rear of the block that feed the galley out to 1/8 inch I know itis too late for any of this for Mittyso I hope it holds together for you [though you could get that line to number one galley and if I were you I would. Wish you the best of luck -- and hope having done all these things my engine stays together this year. Chuck 425-241-0457 On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:43 AM, wrote: > I have been rather quiet, as I didn't want to say much until we had things > solved. We spun numbers 1 and 4 rod bearings at a test day a week ago > Thursday on the Group 44 GT6+. Other than crashing the car, this is the > worst > thing that could have happened. Thanks to a mighty effort from my staff, > Dave > Anton at APT, Jere Dotten, the guys at Vintage Racing services who found us > another crank and rods and JK Jackson coming down to our shop and working > until midnight Friday, Gary Hunter and I got the newly rebuilt engine in > the car > Satuday. We loaded the car on the trailer yesterday to head to the Mitty. > Details are at our Classic Motorsports site under project car updates. Yes, > we went from junk engine to running again in eight days. Don't ever want to > go through that again. > > I do hope to se you all at the Mitty this weekend. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621499x1201450105/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > ; > bcd=AprilExcScore428NO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:09:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:09:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <24150739.1240942158271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 28 12:15:52 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <001d01c9c82d$558cb2fe$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Steve, Is this a TR3/4 motor? What rods are you using? Thanks! Henry Frye - Sent via Phone 860.508.3118 -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Frye >Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 > >Racers, > >I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >failure I do have concerns... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 28 12:42:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 Message-ID: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >It's a TR3 with Carillo rods and a race-prepped stock crankshaft. I was given the teflon pieces and a tube of blue dye. I attached everything on the stand and rotated the motor. Where the blue die rubbed onto the teflon, I trimmed with an X-acto. again and again until the crank made no contact with the teflon. With all of those little nuts and washers used to space out the screen and the tray, I made sure everything was tight and wouldn't come apart inside the sump. Could you imagine a dozen little flat washers dumping into the oil? Not sure if it would be picked up in the filter. Anyway, the whole setup took about 6 months to get and was extremely well made. It seems that tons of guys run the scrapers in Miatas and in many other applications. There's only one way to find out if the scraper is the culprit and I'm eager to know what you learn when you tear down the motor. > >~Steve > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Henry Frye >>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 11:15 AM >>To: steve , Henry Frye , fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: RE: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>Steve, >> >>Is this a TR3/4 motor? >> >>What rods are you using? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Henry Frye - Sent via Phone >>860.508.3118 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM >>To: Henry Frye ; fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >> >>I have run four race weekends with my IJ scraper / tray / Teflon setup. So far no problems. I am curious to inspect everything but I have no plans to pull the pan for now. >> >>~Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Henry Frye >>>Sent: Apr 28, 2009 5:10 AM >>>To: fot at autox.team.net >>>Subject: [Fot] Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen for TR4 >>> >>>Racers, >>> >>>I am interested in sharing experiences with anyone who bought and has >>>run one of the Isihara-Johnson crank scraper - windage tray screen >>>combos for a TR3/4 engine with non-stock rods. I ran mine in my >>>ill-fated VIR engine build, and while I do not think it caused my >>>failure I do have concerns... >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 13:42:37 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1968 GT6 available References: <3050D1FB-7873-4D03-A18D-4D11A8B6B7E9@recatalyst.com> Message-ID: Ralph Steinberg of Cloverleaf Auto (an active VRG racer, though with a Jag) introduced me to what seems to be a nice GT6 for sale. I have no financial interest in this, or time to play with it myself, but it sounds like a nice project for someone. "1968 Triumph GT6, one owner car being sold by original owner's daughter. Car located in Lancaster PA. Solid original car, showing 19,008 miles but believed closer to 40K, odometer not working. The car was last run in Summer 2007 and has been worked on by Cloverleaf Auto (Ralph Steinberg) who did the brakes, clutch, hydraulics and rebuilt the trans in 2004, and did some work on it to achieve PA inspection in 2007, with tires, battery and rebuilding the carbs. Ralph reports that the paint is tired but the car is solid with no rust issues (photos indicate it's faded red and has some surface rust where the paint has failed), chrome is so-so and the interior needs carpets and headliner. It has not been run since sumer 2007. Great car to restore. Please contact Rebekah Liddle for more info and photos at liddle1127 at hotmail.com. Asking $3,000." From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 28 18:06:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ From m-syork at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 18:35:42 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c9c862$6e18f790$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> Bill I stopped by Tony Garmey's about 3 weeks ago to look at the progress he made on my TR3 and saw Peyote, man it looks great. I got to help Tony with patching the cutout around the exhaust header; I drank 6 beers: 2-Guinness, 3-Dos Equis, and a Bud Light and smashed them for fender patches (had bad gas all night, must have been the toasted cheese sandwich I had for dinner). See you at Spring Sprints! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Apr 28 19:09:29 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: <26685117.1240944158407.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9FC66C9A5301492FB154BAF303455E1B@joepentiumnew> Pretty indeed. I love the way that there appears to be no compound curves. It makes fabricating new panels much easier. Lets see how long you can keep all that shiny metal straight. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote Peyote is going to be pretty neat looking for it's fiftieth birthday. Tony Garmey recently sent me some new photos. I've posted them on the Kastner Cup site: http://www.crclassic.com/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Apr 29 12:37:12 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From smockracer at charter.net Wed Apr 29 12:52:49 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 29 14:10:56 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA@RA Message-ID: <546371.73701.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - Does anyone racing with SVRA at RA on May 15-17 have an extra crew pass or passes? Myself and friends Irv and Ernie will be spectating and consuming wine and cheese in the Triumph paddock. Dennis DeLap From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 15:18:03 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Velocity Stacks - Filter Availability Forthcoming Now Spit Chassis Dyno In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8C40B.9030302@charter.net> Speaking of Velocity Stacks, Does anyone out there have a set of 1 1/2" SU Velocity Stacks for a Spitfire?? I've been looking at the usual sources and having trouble finding a set. Also looking for a low restriction foam air filters for the same. Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List....if you are running the KVS-175 velocity stacks developed by Kas in > the 60, we are having a filter developed for fitment over the bell. > > I have a sample picture of what the final product will look like, if anyone > is interested. > > The final design will provide the least amount of intereference to airflow. > The molds for the attachment ring will be completed this week and initial > product will be available within a few weeks. > > I will also have some samples available for viewing at the Mitty, too. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 17:00:08 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> Message-ID: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 29 18:34:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:34:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markvaden at gmail.com writes: I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new rear end. Mark Vaden #123 On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock wrote: > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) From john at race-dogs.com Wed Apr 29 18:38:54 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend References: Message-ID: <000501c9c92c$0a084d30$800101df@jawsxp> We'll see you there in the Silver Bullet!! John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing weekend > Steve Smith's not going, have fun you all! > > > In a message dated 4/29/2009 4:08:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markvaden at gmail.com writes: > > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: >> Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend >> >> >>> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name >>> of Kas Kastner.vcf] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and > Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double > click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=3A867281BF.22B73 From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 29 19:00:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:00:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend Message-ID: <21966022.1241053250675.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'll be there as a spectator only but instead of my TR3, I'm bringing my 1-year old kid, future racing driver, Elias! Wish I could bring the car too :( ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 19:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRAZY NYC MESSENGERS BIKE RACE... Message-ID: <747503B2509F470D9604E37841CD0382@Bud> You've gotta love this video link...it's bicycle stuff, but fits perfectly well with the mindset of the Wild..and..Wild at Heart....Which...Thankfully....WE ARE BABY!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:36 PM http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/214250/685132 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 19:07:12 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2BF16BC165BD44938A295179676CC225@fred> <285b8a860904291600v495a6b03r122595b037d8659b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0904291807n30374054m4ea6e2e3f68f29c6@mail.gmail.com> Just be careful when you pass my friend. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I am going - I just go tmy car back together after the fiasco and cal > speedway. It should be good - new axles, new proper race motor, new > rear end. > > Mark Vaden > #123 > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smock > wrote: > > Paul Smock #190 will be going,are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend > > > > > >> Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name > >> of Kas Kastner.vcf] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 21:56:32 2009 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470214.30183.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll be there, and I bringing Clifford. Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 Blacksmith Racing --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: [Fot] Racing weekend To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 11:37 AM Who is going to Buttomwillow this weekend? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Apr 30 07:31:25 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 I-J scraper In-Reply-To: <4D1DC294-2C20-4471-843F-8AE58A2DB74E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E7680502E3CE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I recently asked for input from TR3/4 racers who have run the I-J scraper/windage screen combo. Thanks to all that responded. My concern was the lifters appear to have taken a beating in the short time this engine was run, and I was wondering if the I-J scraper/windage combo might be too effective at reducing the windage cloud, robbing the cam and lifters of needed lubrication. My concern appears to be unfounded. YMMV... From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:14:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031517.ADBBF1878A0@autox.team.net> I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Apr 30 21:18:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lightened ring gear Message-ID: <20090501031833.053611880A5@autox.team.net> Sorry - these are for TR-3 / 4 with bolt on ring gear. You can see them here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Jack_Parts.htm - Tony >Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:48 -0500 >To: Amici Triumphi >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Lightened ring gear > >I've got a gentleman interested in a lightened ring gear. The >machining cost per ring gear is less if we can do more than one at a >time. For a single ring gear, the price is $120 (you supply the >ring gear). If anyone else is interested in having one of these >done, we may be able to get the cost to a more reasonable >level. Let me know if interested, I'll try to coordinate. I do get >a SMALL cut from this for my time / efforts, so I can't say NFI... > >- Tony Drews