[Fot] [SPAM] RE: OT- F1 at Spa online petition

Thu Sep 11 10:24:14 MDT 2008

Holy smokes, is that ever a lousy idea. F1 has enough trouble having  
some real racing. Would you really race at a track that penalized your  
use of the kerbs by ripping off your suspension. Most tracks use FIA  
kerbing, which is the legitimate name of the alligator bumps. You use  
them in any turn that benefits from them--even at the club level.  
Walls, Armco, and overly aggressive curbs eliminate passing  
opportunities. Racing is passing.

On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Joe Curry wrote:

> I think that the kerbs (curbs) should be made more penal in those  
> areas because they are supposed to be there to keep the cars within  
> the confines of the track.  If they raised the level of the kerbs,  
> people would not be so aggressive in trying to pass knowing that if  
> they don’t pull it off, they will lose their suspension.
>
> Joe
>
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On Behalf Of Bill Babcock
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:58 AM
> To: Bill Babcock
> Cc: fot at autox.Team.Net; fubog1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
>
> Incidentally, I don't think Kimi was wrong to shove Hamilton off the  
> track in the chicane either. In a competition at that level you are  
> not owed racing room, you have to take it. If Alonso had been in  
> Kimi's shoes Hamilton would have lost his right front wheel.
>
> On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
>
> Great race, torturous ending. I also consider Hamilton's moves to be  
> perfectly proper.
>
> I AM a Kimi fan, he's a great driver, I was cheering him on while he  
> passed Hamilton at first and then pulled out a lead,  and I was in  
> agony when he first lost the lead and then hit the wall. But  
> Hamilton's pass was squeaky clean. I can't see how the FIA could  
> even countenance a penalty.  It was spectacular driving, well within  
> the cut and thrust of competition and in full compliance with the  
> rules of surrendering a gain made off track. I believe the FIA has  
> added an element of over-regulation and fundamental unfairness to  
> the entire F1 scene. I don't care if Max Mosely dresses up like Eva  
> Braun and screws goats, but his leadership of the FIA has damaged  
> the sport by moving victory from the driver's seat to the steward's  
> fat ass. For that I'd support giving him the boot.
>
> On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:13 AM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Well certainly there are those who hold that opinion, not least of all
> the FIA... but... the facts remain that he DID give up the position to
> Kimi, I don't think there is a specified distance for the lead, and
> this was confirmed with both the team & race officials at the time.
> I watched the race, and the replay of the last 3 laps at least a dozen
> times, and I can't see how he put Kimi out. Also consider the dry  
> tires
> & wet track conditions.
> Personaly I thought that it was a fine example of driving since he was
> well alongside Kimi when he went off; the alternative being that he
> would surely have taken both of them out of the race, had he not gone
> off course.
> I also understand that there are some who just don't favor
> Hamilton/McClaren, evidenced by some of the politics and "soap opera"
> issues of late...
> I respect your opinion
> Thank you!
> Glen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: fubog1 at aol.com; fot at autox.Team.Net
> Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:47 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] OT-  F1 at Spa online petition
>
> I will NOT sign that petition.  The way I saw the situation, while
> Hamilton
> did back off a bit and allow Kimi to get back in front, he did not  
> back
> off
> enough to give up his inertia and maintained it long enough to
> immediately
> get back in the lead.
>
> In my humble opinion, the penalty is just.  His Rookie actions caused
> Kimi
> to crash out and that does nothing to erase that outcome.
>
> I would have black flagged Hamilton and not even allowed him to claim
> 3rd
> place.  That would have been justice in my opinion.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:42 AM
> To: fot at autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
>
> I realize that a lot of you were busy last Sunday, and probably didn't
> catch the Spa race, and on-line petitions have questionable value, but
> this is one that may be worthy...
> Last night there were approx 15,000, this morning nearly 50,000. There
> are a lot of pissed off F1 fans!
>
> http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html
>
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