[Fot] State of Vintage Racing

[Bill Babcock]

I think that's kind of automatic. Look at the kind of people who race  
anything (cars, bikes, skateboards, pogosticks, stand up paddle  
boards), and the people who sit on the sidelines. We all have  
different levels of addiction, but we're all junkies.

On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:17 AM, michael cook wrote:

> So the discussion, once again, is about two things: The spirit of  
> vintage racing and competing to win.
>
> Competing seems to win every time.
>
> Mike Cook
>
> > From: Billb at bnj.com
> > To: andre at gt6.ca
> > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:45:04 -0700
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] State of Vintage Racing
> >
> > What makes you think bodies aren't already acid dipped? I'm  
> working on
> > that "personal lightening program"--have a weight bet going with my
> > brother. Actually I think the most serious problem in vintage racing
> > is more that the valuable cars can't be changed much--it would
> > decrease their sky-high value--while specials and production racers
> > can skirt the edge of the rulebook. That means there isn't a
> > testarossa on the planet that can stay with Peyote, which is both
> > silly and sad. We don't get to see them on track very often  
> anymore--
> > they are too valuable to risk and the owners don't like getting
> > hammered by cars they should be able to romp over.
> >
> > I don't know how to fix that. Making Peyote slow won't change  
> anything
> > but the finish order at a few races. All the fast triumphs are
> > rulebook-legal, more or less. Or could be without putting a serious
> > dent in their lap times. The worst anyone is doing is running 89mm
> > bores, and that's a tweak--not really worth much--you can get nearly
> > the same horsepower with a 87. Pandoras box is knowledge, we all  
> know
> > how to make a car fast, we all have access to the learning of the  
> last
> > 50 years, and it goes into our cars, while testarossas are stuck in
> > time.
> >
> > Of course if I had a TR the first thing I'd do would be to make a
> > replica of the frame, only in titanium, and a carbon fibre body.  
> Then...
> > On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:
> >
> > > I guess that is the nature of racing, those with money will do  
> what
> > > ever it
> > > costs to win.
> > >
> > > What's next acid dipping of the bodies?
> > >
> > > Frankly if I wanted to make my "future" racer lighter. I'd start  
> with
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> > > Ottawa, ON, Canada
> > >
> > > 2008/10/23 <Group44TR7 at aol.com>
> > >
> > >> Good Morning
> > >>
> > >> What I am observing is that some vintage racing groups are
> > >> going
> > >> down the same path as CanAm and FI by allowing expensive
> > >> modifications to
> > >> take
> > >> place. Is there really a need to have Kevlar bodywork on a
> > >> Spitfire or TR6
> > >> in
> > >> vintage racing?
> > >>
> > >> It has always struck me as rather hypocritical that vintage
> > >> groups
> > >> wanted owners to use pre 1972 body specification and have the  
> true
> > >> appearance
> > >> of post 1972 cars destroyed. Now we are putting Kevlar  
> replacement
> > >> panels
> > >> to
> > >> look like pre 1972 cars.
> > >>
> > >> I have to wonder why the people doing these modifications
> > >> are not
> > >> instead running SCCA. I am just as guilty as the next person  
> here,
> > >> our
> > >> engines
> > >> are too modified. They are nothing like what was raced in the
> > >> 1970s and
> > >> earlier.
> > >>
> > >> Vintage may be making itself too expensive too.
> > >>
> > >> Baseball Dad
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