From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 12:15:59 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
Message-ID: <425461.68468.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here.  They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

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#4 white spitfire

From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov  1 12:37:22 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 MK3 1972
Message-ID: <20081101193726.POPQ6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

I'm passing this note on to the list.  This guy contacted our Club 
about finding a buyer for his GT6.  Contact him directly if you are 
interested.  His email address is jamjet007 at sbcglobal.net. I added 
him to the .cc line on this note.

The car looks to be in nice shape based on the photos he emailed 
me.  Note: We have no financial interest.  Pass this note on to 
anyone else you think that might be interested.

 From his notes to me about the car...

"My name is John Ocampo, from Brookfield Illinois. I spoke to Mr.John 
Horton about selling a GT6. He said I should contact you because you 
may have better chance to help find a buyer for car.

Respectfully,
John Ocampo"

and

"I have receipts of repairs that I have made since buying the car in 
96'. The car has been garaged kept and has never been in an acident. 
The car is from Mountain View, CA. With original engine, Trans, and 
Gear box (including rear differential). The car milage is honestly 
unknown? I do now it is over 100K."

From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 14:51:26 2008
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <BLU127-W5448459576FDBDA1AA381C8CD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 
Has anyone on the FoT list tried the Kirkey 41301V seat in the TR-6?
 
This Kirkey part umber has a vinyl cover and what looks like padding in the
photographs, so I am hoping that it will not be too uncomfortable for the
occasional street drive.  What ever I put in to replace my tattered Corbeaus
will need to provide lots of lateral support, because my car is primarily used
for auto-X.
 
Jim Prettyleaf
 


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata Seat Conversion for Triumphs
To: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:42 PM

Greg Lund wrote:

> Corbeau Clubman seats fit easily and weigh about 18 lbs. Street
> seats have plenty of "road holding weight".

I tried fitting Corbeau Clubmans before going with the 914 seats.
I found that the shoulder "ears" (or whatever you call those
things that keep your upper body in place) fouled with the B post.
The only way around it was to move the seat inwards towards the
driveshaft tunnel (which increases the offset to the pedals) or
bending the "ear" to provide clearance.  I did not want to own
the seats, so I did not do the bendy-thing.

There is zero chance of fitting Corbeau Clubmans (I tried the
"narrow"
style - there is a larger version for those with larger posteriors)
in both driver and passenger locations, again because of interference
between the "ears".

Kirkey aluminum seats fit well, but are lousy for those 500-mile days.

Shane Ingate in NM


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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 15:11:39 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings Gone ....
Message-ID: <309866.68943.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dennis DeLap, was the first to respond, so I'll be sending them to him ... still dont know exactly which piston they fit, but I hope they'll do you some good Dennis...


Tom

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#4 white spitfire

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here. 
They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire
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From billbab at mac.com  Sat Nov  1 23:13:56 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Piston to Wall clearance Now Vincent Black Shadow
In-Reply-To: <9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
References: <20282DD9-CF89-4E7F-9DF4-13734753FB2D@earthlink.net>
	<9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <A67F75B8-B7CB-4DE7-9969-64E457BB9C8D@mac.com>

I mis-spoke. I picked my Vincent up today from the guy who rebuilt it,  
and discovered he replaced the rings. the plan was to re-use them, but  
he decided against it. He re-used the pistons, but ditched the rings.  
It's been at other people's shops for way too long. I'm looking  
forward to finishing up the little nits that still need to be  
corrected and doing some riding on it. It's a great bike.

There's some shots on Peyote's and Nero's site: http://www.allaluminumtour.com/

On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> My old (1950) Vincent Black Shadow has uncounted miles on the  
> pistons and rings, mostly with a pretty marginal air cleaner. It got  
> a complete teardown recently because the bottom end was noisy. But  
> other than refurbing guides, grinding valves and replacing the  
> bottom end bearings, pretty much everything went back in for another  
> 58 year round. The rings were worn a little, especially near the  
> gap, but they were sealing perfectly and had perfect tension. No  
> sign of blowby on the piston skirts, no overheating of the rings. I  
> could have replaced them for not much money, but chose not to. Not  
> because of the cost (trivial, compared to the labor--tearing down a  
> vincent is a MAJOR piece of work) but because they were working  
> well. In my experience you have more problems getting sliding parts  
> to bed properly than any wear issue. And while they are bedding, hot  
> gasses are blowing down the piston wall, overheating the rings and  
> annealing them.

From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 09:26:41 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com>
	<3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com>
	<BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl>
	<002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>
	<FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>

I decided to go with  1 1/2" SU's for my Spit 1300 over Weber side 
drafts, but I'm having some issues with them.
The SU's are from an MGB and I rebuilt them with new jet assemblies, new 
gaskets and set the floats to a level position.
Per Joe Curto's advice I'm using early spitfire float assemblies to put 
them in a level position compared to the MGB.
The intake manifold is the British version made for 1 1/2" carbs. I'm 
running a race cam purchased from Ted at TSI and a Stahl header.

The problems I'm having are:

    * The front carb (last one in line to get fuel) starts to leak gas
      from the main jet when the engine is shut down. I'm assuming the
      float needle valve is not holding against fuel pressure.
          o The pump is a holley red electric and pressure is reduced to
            _3 1/2-4 psi_ at the pressure regulator. _Is that too much
            pressure for an SU?_
    * Another problem is resistance in the vacuum pistons from dropping
      completely. No matter how much I polish up the piston and bore It
      hangs up about 1/4' from the lowest positon. It does drop when I
      stroke the dashpot. This makes it hard to sych the carbs.
    * I'm running a bit on the rich side since the carbs were tuned for
      a 1.8L B engine but thought I could lean it out with the needle
      adjustments.
    * What viscosity is generally used in the dashpot? I used some
      10w30w oil I had around.
    * Is their any _online_ tuning guide for SU carbs out there?

Any advice would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer running, working out the problems


Bill Babcock wrote:
> I agree, SU's are really pretty carbs, especially when they are  
> polished. I"m building a street TR3 and it will absolutely have SUs,  
> though in most other respects it will be Peyote in TR3 clothing.
> On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Steven Preiss wrote:
>
>   
>> I just like the look of the SUs in there. And the cork gaskets that  
>> don't
>> leak if renewed periodically, and the thumb sized jet nuts you can  
>> turn half
>> a flat with your hand to adapt to seasonal or elevation changes. And  
>> those
>> big aluminum dashpots with their own dipsticks! (Nobody would ever  
>> mistake
>> those for EFI!)
>> This, along with the rest of the package helps me keep in touch with  
>> my
>> agrarian roots, and makes me feel very happy.
>> STeve P.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carbs
>>
>>
>>     
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Nov  2 09:54:59 2008
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS6F966B18B03C4069ED277C3220@phx.gbl>

Get that fuel pressure down to 2psi.  The Holley Red is overkill on a 1300 cc
engine.

You need to centralize the jets, that is why the piston is sticking.

Back off the jet holder nut (not the adjusting nut) till the piston falls
freely, then retighten.  Check it again, repeat as necessary till the pistons
have totally free movement.

No way to adjust the mixture accurately untill the pistons work properly.

Terry Stetler

From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 12:03:06 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
Message-ID: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>

Wow !!
Thanks for the fast response

I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that both 
had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without 
interference.

Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.

Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
backing off the adjusting stud.

Thanks Glenn Franco
72 spit race car finding one problem after another.

From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov  2 12:34:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <108CD067-51DD-4FDA-AFE5-FBACB451B84F@bnj.com>

I'd recommend a good fuel pressure regulator.

On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Glenn Franco wrote:

> Wow !!
> Thanks for the fast response
>
> I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that  
> both had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
> Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without  
> interference.
>
> Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut  
> down.
>
> Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it  
> by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
> Thanks Glenn Franco
> 72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 12:55:48 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:55:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>

You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock 
style needle valves can handle more pressure.

- Tony

At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>
>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it 
>by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
>Thanks Glenn Franco
>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 13:08:07 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:08:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>

That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 13:29:22 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:29:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
Message-ID: <d2c.3e884d6a.363f67a2@aol.com>

I just tossed a pair of Grose jets out of the Jag cuz one would often fail  
to seal.  Problem since they were new that I don't have anymore.  I  think I 
literally tossed them I was so disgusted;-))
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:08:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

That's  something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate  sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message -----  
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco"  <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:  Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now  SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and  not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball  bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more  pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn  Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air  horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at  4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting  stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car  finding one problem after another.
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 13:36:46 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
Message-ID: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>

Thanks All
I reduced fuel pump pressure to something less than 3 1/2 psi and the 
leaking stopped. The float needle valves are stock not grose jets.
The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. What 
fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range of ~ 
3 1/2 to 6 psi.

Removed, polished (very little)the main needles and the vacuum pistons 
now drop freely.

Thanks all for the help

Glenn Franco
72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.

RACER BUD wrote:
> That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
> alleviate sticking
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
> Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 15:05:28 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:05:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud> <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102220545.52E0D187880@autox.team.net>

The reliable combination that Uncle Jack and I arrived at after much 
experimentation was a Holley Blue pump with an appropriate Holley 
regulator.  You can get a kit with the pump and regulator.  There are 
two pressure ranges for the regulator - you want the one that allows 
you to set it to 2-3 psi.  The problem that most regulators have is 
that there's not enough pressure differential between the input and 
the output to reliable actuate the internal mechanism.  The Holley 
Blue puts out about 15 psi, so the regulator has something to work 
with.  Several folks have solved high rpm fuel problems by switching 
to this arrangement.  One switched from the Holley Red to the Holley 
Blue and his high speed issues went away.

We were able to get away with 5 psi on 1 3/4" SU's, but not with 
Grose jets.  My Webers leak fuel at anything over about 2.5 psi.

This isn't in response to a problem you're currently having, but it's 
good to keep in mind if you're going to replace components.

- Tony Drews

At 02:36 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. 
>What fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
>regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range 
>of ~ 3 1/2 to 6 psi.
>
>Thanks all for the help
>
>Glenn Franco
>72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.

From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  2 16:22:54 2008
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:22:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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Clear Day
I would like to remove my name from the FOT list due to overwhelming number of
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Please remove janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net

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From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 19:41:03 2008
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:41:03 EST
Subject: [Fot] Please Remove
Message-ID: <d01.42295e59.363fbebf@aol.com>

I as well, would like to be removed from the Fot Mailing list. 
The forum is a wonderful place for information, but the overwhelming amount 
I guess what I consider repetitive or redundant information has become to  
much.
 
  Please do not take this for anything more then what it is, this is a  
wonderful group of men and women sharing idea's and help. but I no longer have a  
British car so much of the info is falling on deaf ears 
   Thanks again see you all at the track 
 
    Doug Karon past Ambro 001 owner 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 06:53:00 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 5:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 exhaust
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1225306802.22450.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081103085300.D8Y5H.797890.root@mp12>

Rimmer Brothers in England does a nice stainless steel system...

rimmerbros.com

Bobby

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  3 09:23:13 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:23:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Hi,

I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when 
some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or 
less a "drop in".

I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want 
to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the 
street just for the addition cushioning.

If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the 
end of the day.

rml
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 09:34:46 2008
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0BE9377C33BE-C48-683@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com>

Have to agree with Robert on this.? Nice seat for racing but for street?? I wouldn't.? There is a big difference in running a 15 or 20 minute race and a day long trip somewhere.

Cheers,

Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


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Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6


Hi,?
?
I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or less a "drop in".?
?
I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the street just for the addition cushioning.?
?
If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the end of the day.?
?
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:07:09 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
Message-ID: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Warning OT- Old Brit Bike memories


> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns

From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 14:06:51 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
In-Reply-To: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
References: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BB840A88AA4C48F5A101D1A892A6617B@richardiipc>

Bob,

My motorcycle encyclopedia notes the Rapide as having 45 hp; the Black
Shadow w/ 55. In sanctioned competition this is significant. However in the
car-versus-motorcycle street racing event, I would suspect that skill, dumb
luck and the youthful dismissive concept of mortality are much bigger
determinants than hp. 

> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 18:49:48 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:49:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



Gary

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:36:08 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAE1EKvG+ln9Jn06EW5CjdZcBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I run 22mm at front and 17mm at rear. My springs are stock items. I lowered
the front as you did and the rear with fitting shims between spring and
axle. I don't set the car too flat cornering, I like it waving around and
the lean over. Good at wet races too.

Chris

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2008 02:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] sway bars

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:15:49 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:15:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
> has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
> leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
> negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
> cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
> minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

What are your corner weights?

That makes a difference in the size of the bars - how much weight are you 
transferring?

As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I use a 
7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

> Gary

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 08:42:24 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:42:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>

> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I 
> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
for a TR4.

Randall

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:51:00 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering).

> Randall

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:08:00 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:08:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0CAEA4D29C02-F80-760@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
links, are factors to consider as well.
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a 
difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would 
attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) 
making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the 
same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars 
run
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway
engineering).

> Randall

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:11:19 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11:19 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
> links, are factors to consider as well.
> 

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were MUCH 
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

Bill Dentinger



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From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 09:22:52 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:22:52 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <B7C35F90-CC90-48F5-97CF-EAA6EDB6A86E@bnj.com>

Now that I've lost my skid pad (industrial park was sold) I'm going to  
have to pay a lot more attention to suspension modeling. A sway bar is  
such an important element of handling. In the past I've fiddled with  
the adjustment a lot and it's easy to see on a skid pad how much it  
affects understeer and oversteer. I never cared about how much the  
nose or tailed rolled, I just care how fast I can go around that  
circle. You can transition from understeer to neutral to oversteer  
with just a little sway bar adjustment. I don't know how a bar could  
just be bolted on and work right.

Bill Babcock
Babcock & Jenkins
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:38:34 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"

...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!

Glen

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To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & 
end
> links, are factors to consider as well.
>

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
MUCH
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 09:57:18 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>

Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as 
you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering 
axle splines, bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting 
bite on the rear suspension is generally  making it softer not harder which 
a rear bar will do.  There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear 
bar mod and been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get 
it right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar 
adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various courses.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> "happier when they removed their rear sway bars"
>
> ...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!
>
> Glen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
> In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
> fubog1 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &
> end
>> links, are factors to consider as well.
>>
>
> We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
> MUCH
> happier when they removed their rear sway bars.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Nov  4 10:07:18 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> 
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W3276ECD35BA97B812D1CABB21C0@phx.gbl>

On a few of the cars I build, I like to use sprint car torsion bars as sway
bars. The mounts and arms stay the same and there a lots of bar diameters
available in solid and gun drilled.
> From: kaskas at cox.net> To: BillDentin at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu;
tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fubog1 at aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800> CC:
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > Stiffening the rear
suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as > you have no
provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering > axle splines,
bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting > bite on the
rear suspension is generally making it softer not harder which > a rear bar
will do. There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear > bar mod and
been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get > it right.
Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar > adjustable
can give a few more options in handling for various courses.> ----- Original
Message ----- > From: <fubog1 at aol.com>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>;
<lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>> Sent:
Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > > >
"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"> >> > ...yes Bill I know
several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!> >> > Glen> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: BillDentin at aol.com> > To: Fubog1 at aol.com;
lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue,
4 Nov 2008 11:11 am> > Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> >> > In a message dated
11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,> > fubog1 at aol.com writes:> >> >>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &> > end>
>> links, are factors to consider as well.> >>> >> > We also might mention
that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were > > MUCH> > happier when
they removed their rear sway bars.> >> > Bill Dentinger> >> >> >> >
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 10:31:11 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sway Bars
Message-ID: <001001c93ea3$21def120$659cd360$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks guys for all the suggestions on sway bars, etc.  I now have a list of
things to check and consider but I suppose that what winter projects are all
about.

 

Gary

 

1962 TR4

From Malaboge at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 10:49:35 2008
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:49:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <cbc.305597e7.3641e52f@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/08 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

Gary-

As I recall you have a sway bar with a fairly long lever arm...at least 8" or
so. The lever arm length effects the roll rate as well as the diameter, so
comparing diameters will not always tell the complete story. The way the bar
is
mounted and fastened to the suspension also has a big influence on the rate.
A solid mount on a .8" bar is approximately the same as a rubber mount on a 1"
bar.  Solid mounts (Heim joints or the like) at the suspension end mounts of
the bar realize a similar rate effect.  The width of a bar has a smaller
effect on the rate, but be aware that the narrower bar of similar sizes will
have a
higher rate.  (Also a narrow bar with short lever arms will weigh less).
Finally the placement of the attachment of the bar to the suspension arm has a
big effect, not on the bar itself, but rather what forces are received to the
chassis of the vehicle.  The closer you can connect the bar to the trunion,
the
larger the lever arm through which the bar has an effect and restricts
movement.

Without going into the spring rates which obviously have no effect on sway
bar rates, but complement the size of the sway bar required, what bar rates
are
the best?
Start with the narrowest bar that you can fit.
Use all solid type mounts.
Attach it as close to the wheel as possible.
Use the shortest lever arm as possible.

Remember that the stiffness of a bar (all else remaining the same) increases
with the diameter to the fourth power.  That is a 1" bar is 16 times as stiff
as a .5" bar.  The lever arm effect is less but more direct, a 6" lever is
twice as stiff as a 12" lever arm.

So how does that relate to your TR4?

Well the bar realistically cannot be hung under the frame rails as it would
be too low and be removed at the first bump.  Mounting the bar on the top of
the frame rails could be done, but there are just too many parts in the way.
Fortunately the front of your frame is just about right.  A bar mounted at the
front will have lever arms of approximately 5 "to 6".  Make an aluminum plate
similar to the factory radiator shield between the two frame rails, but
position it forward just enough to allow solid mounts to be bolted to it. (The
factory steel piece is too close to the radiator).  Curve the lever arms (for
tire
clearance when turning) so that they roughly follow the lower a-arm and attach
them at the outermost bolt that mounts the spring pan to the a-arm.  (A
sliding mount here will make a nice adjustable bar as well).  Use 6150 steel
(or
4130) and heat treat it when in final form.  Its been a while since I made any
bars, but I recall that you want to have about a 62 on the C scale Rockwell
hardness on them.

You state that the car may have stock springs in it.  If so, these really are
too light, but if you continue with them I would suggest about a 15/16" to 1"
bar.  If you have the old left hand wound factory springs which were about
310 lbs/inch rate, probably about 15/16".  Stiffer springs up to about 500
lbs/inch I would suggest about 7/8" bar.  There are PERSONAL OPINIONS here and
in
no way will be correct for many setups, but seem to be in the ballpark for
me!

You didn't mention a rear bar and so I will not open that "bag-o-worms".

Never one to "Sway" anyone's beliefsb&
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Tue Nov  4 15:19:14 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:19:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering)

rml

Those are what I run on my TR6 SCCA car but I use 9" slicks. I can adjust
them by shortening or lengthening the lever arm or going to a thicker or
thinner wall center tube. I adjusted the bars a lot in the beginning but
haven't changed them in the last ten years or so. I have tried to disconnect
the rear bar per some peoples suggestions but found that the car would not
turn in like I like it to. I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
from solid axle cars.

Mike Munson
#28 EP TR6
Corvette City, Ky.

From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 16:21:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:17 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
Message-ID: <87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>

I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  
was setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  
the car stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  
little damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  
rear springs but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  
would understeer while the back end stepped out as if it was  
oversteering. I went as soft as I dared with the rear spring, you can  
hit the stops by standing in the seat and bouncing. Works great.
On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate  
> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  
> you can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  
> is a chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  
> generally  making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   
> There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  
> been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  
> right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  
> bar adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  
> courses.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Nov  4 19:29:26 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] High Speed Idle Update
Message-ID: <0829C3AD-63B0-4026-B7F5-F5EB28657FCC@gt6.ca>

So, I took the advice from the group and made more gaskets for my carbs.

The leak was between the intake manifold and the TT adaptor plate for  
my HS6's.

Seen here, http://www.gt6.ca/08/0405/slides/DSCN3425.html

I could see old fuel stains. I removed the carbs, then the TT plates,  
cleaned everything up and set about making some new gaskets.

I used my ported intake as it was handy on my bench.

Once the new ones were fabbed up, I check my clearances with the  
fitted carbs and TT plates.

This time I also used some locktite to secure everything.

Question, I used a thin cork for this new gasket, when I finally fit  
the new intake and a heat shield, should make yet another set of  
gaskets between the plate and shield. Should I use a thinner material?

Oh the results. She started right up, almost no choke and idled at 1K  
very nicely. Before that there was lots of choke, she was surging up  
and down and if you blipped the gas she'd die. Oh and nothing below  
1500 would last long.

I will re-check the carbs and do another balance job for good measure.

Thanks.

A.

--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov  4 19:30:47 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:30:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
	<E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20081105023056.361331878ED@autox.team.net>

Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid 
rear axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not 
so great for 100 MPH sweepers.

- Tony Drews

At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>from solid axle cars.

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 20:25:39 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu><E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20081105023056.361331878ED@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8C2184B043E341ED8EDC4DAA0C6CB12A@DadsComputer>

FWIW I am running quite successfully with the GoodParts TR6 swaybars, front 
and rear, on my TR4A. I know that I have some tuning to do as I am lifting 
the inside front wheels off the ground on occasion.

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid rear 
> axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not so great 
> for 100 MPH sweepers.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>>from solid axle cars.
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Wed Nov  5 01:16:25 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:25 -0000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
	<87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>

Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
said on testing and getting it right.

Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but the 
side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very bouncy at 
the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on smooth 
tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont seem able 
to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe its time to 
try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg of sand in the 
boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and coating the 
leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.

If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure rate 
is way too high to live with at the moment.

Best regards

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little damping 
>control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs but it 
>made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer while 
>the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft as I 
>dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the seat 
>and bouncing. Works great.
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>
>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally  making 
>> it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a couple of 
>> fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very successful, but 
>> it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. Dearching the rear 
>> springs is a start, then having the rear  bar adjustable can give a few 
>> more options in handling for various  courses.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 17:00:23 2008
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:00:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC><87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
	<0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>
Message-ID: <001101c93fa2$ab698180$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31>

Tony,
To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's method - 
TUNE TO WIN page 157.
Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly clamping 
them together.  I did and it works.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
> said on testing and getting it right.
>
> Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but 
> the side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very 
> bouncy at the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on 
> smooth tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont 
> seem able to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe 
> its time to try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg 
> of sand in the boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and 
> coating the leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.
>
> If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
> currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
> bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure 
> rate is way too high to live with at the moment.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
> To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
>
>>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little 
>>damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs 
>>but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer 
>>while the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft 
>>as I dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the 
>>seat and bouncing. Works great.
>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>>
>>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally 
>>> making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a 
>>> couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very 
>>> successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. 
>>> Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  bar 
>>> adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  courses.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From billbab at mac.com  Wed Nov  5 22:34:45 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
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	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
	<87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
	<0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>
	<001101c93fa2$ab698180$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <79BD2CCD-2164-4EF1-A2BE-D6E1CBE65547@mac.com>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Interesting idea, I can certainly see how that would make the spring  
> less likely to tramp or roll up. Same idea as one piece composite  
> springs.
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>> To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's  
>> method - TUNE TO WIN page 157.
>> Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly  
>> clamping them together.  I did and it works.
>> Bruce
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
>> To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
>> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 15:14:29 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 A-Arms
Message-ID: <001501c9405d$0a5e7af0$1f1b70d0$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

Anyone have a set of upper A-Arms (left and right side) for a TR4 they could
part with.  Contact me off list.  Thanks.

 

Gary 

 

1962 TR4

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  6 17:22:10 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Very good historic car site
Message-ID: <570286.40400.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: the members of another list I belong to turned me on to this site. http://tamsoldracecarsite.net/
Some great shots of historic cars. Sorry, no Triumphs, but I thought you all might enjoy it. 
- Ed -

From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Nov  7 05:09:09 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DA8@server.Triumph.local>

I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from
LA Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
scored liner. I called Ken, he is out of stock.

I have several used ones that went several seasons, but was hoping
someone has a new one they would be willing to sell me. Or if you have a
set you don't want to break up, I guess I would take that as well.

I am planning on getting the engine back together to run Roebling Road
with VDCA next month, so I can't wait for Ken to restock.

Ken is well stocked with 89's, but no 87's at the moment.

Thanks gang!

Henry Frye

From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov  7 09:57:08 2008
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Do we have a member in Dallas / Ft Worth?
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330811070857k79fec09cs4076bf6169e379b8@mail.gmail.com>

I may need some help from a fellow FOT with regard to a soft top I purchased
on ebay that is suddenly (after purchase) being described as coming with the
frame (which I very much do not need). The vendor is not willing to only
send the soft top and is trying to hit me for $150 to ship the whole mess...

From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri Nov  7 10:52:31 2008
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:52:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VDCA Roebling Road Season Finale
Message-ID: <bf7.4a3c4956.3645da5f@aol.com>

Yes, the Triumph ghetto will be erected on last time in 2008. We will be at  
the VDCA Season Finale at Roebling Road December 12-14. Everyone knows the  
fastest way to a racer's heart is through their stomach and this event is no  
slouch. Saturday's Pig Picken' and Oyster Roast are unparalleled. The TR gang  
will also host our famous invitation-only party Friday night featuring  Rob 
Deanes' famous fish fry, in addition to our land-lubber fare.
 
Oh, if racing is your real motivation, then you should know that the track  
time at this event is second to none. The track, repaved a year or so ago,  
provides exciting sweepers that keep the adrenaline pumping. All for a $250  
entry fee.
 
So, change the oil, pump up the tires and smell the aroma of 110 octane one  
last time in '08. Come down to Roebling in December! 
 
Entry form _http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf_ 
(http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf) 
 
Don Marshall
Dean Tetterton
Leo Oddi
 
 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Fri Nov  7 20:35:55 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] member in Dallas Fort Worth
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1226084401.5553.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081107223555.J75W1.23410.root@mp20>

I'm in Weatherford Texas, west of Fort Worth about 30 miles...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net

1970 GT6 CVAR #54 Yellow

From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Nov  8 04:49:54 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Nov  8 09:07:41 2008
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>

I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not #4. 
I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember 
correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm.  
I use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler 
gauge in next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure 
the piston skirt was not collapsed?
Larry

Henry Frye wrote:
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Nov  8 09:21:16 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:21:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W18B6AFAC533E49CD5704C4B2180@phx.gbl>

Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
_______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov  8 09:24:52 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

WhaT clearance value we are talking about?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Henry Frye
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 13:13:21 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:13:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Elmer Peters TR4 race car
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <20081108201321.Q6D0W.40568.root@hrndva-web27-z01>

Anyone ever heard of Elmre Peters? I just picked up his old TR4 race car in Dayton Ohio with a bunch of spares. All they could tell me was that they thought he moved to Ohio with the car from California. It's a maroon TR4 with full cage, and since it is on slicks it must have been driven in SCCA events. I Googled him but got no hits.

Bob Kramer, Austin TX 

From spreiss at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 22:40:45 2008
From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:40:45 +1100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94164$8c8dad40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>

Perhaps it would be worth it to mic each piston and sleeve to check for
variations, which may account for the irrational occurance of the problem
among cylinders. An .0005" larger diameter piston and a .0005" narrower bore
from honing
at the critical location could make the difference under extreme heat. Also
buildup on the inside of the water jacket. Also
the type of piston being used. (Long or short skirt. Forged or cast), etc,
etc.
steve P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed


> WhaT clearance value we are talking about?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Henry Frye
> Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
> machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves
in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but
no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
> when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest
to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across
the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:17:15 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081917u4379450v2cab628bf7dfdfee@mail.gmail.com>

Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new piece of
kit from work and went for a drive.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 20:24:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:24:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>

FOT,

I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our production methods at John Deere.

It controls the shape at the skirt.

Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.

The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.

The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE IT.

The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.

Joe Alexander

    

>Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
>The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
>since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
>henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
>#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
>> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
>use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
>next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
>skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
>Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
>offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
>that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
>up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
>the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
>area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
>running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
>kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
>pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
>to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
>-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
>_______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net
>http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot
>mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> >
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:38:05 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:05 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AE8D574B-A835-4DF7-8605-6B2A6B910A99@bnj.com>

I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
the shape under clamping pressure.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,
>
> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
> production methods at John Deere.
>
> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>
> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>
> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>
> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
> IT.
>
> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>> torque plate !
>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>> had a problem
>> since >

From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:40:53 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:45:54 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BB2A7927F04BF4A170A8A819916C7B@Bud>

Can't trust anyone anymore!
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andre Rousseau
  To: RACER BUD ; Friends of Triumph
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
incentive info requested


  Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)


  A.


  2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

    Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
    thanks
    Racer Bud..spitfire #21
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: RACER BUD
    To: fot-request at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
    Subject: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological incentive
info requested


    Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my racer...then
again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken place..Will the
tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
    Thanks
    Racer Bud.



  --
  Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  Ottawa, ON, Canada

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 20:48:24 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:48:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>

Bud,
When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting the
thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
engaged the clutch.  

I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.

So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
psychological incentive info requested

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sat Nov  8 20:49:37 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:49:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Andre,
It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
forgotten how much I miss it. 
Thank you for sharing.
Bill
70 GT-6+
  
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new 
> piece of
> kit from work and went for a drive.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> A.
> 
> -- 
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> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:51:49 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell housing
bolts.
http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html

A.

2008/11/8 Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

> Bud,
> When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
> engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting
> the
> thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
> between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
> engaged the clutch.
>
> I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
> source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
> the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.
>
> So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
> To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
> psychological incentive info requested
>
> Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
> with my restore ;)
> A.
>
> 2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
>
> >  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> > thanks
> > Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> > *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> > *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> > incentive info requested
> >
> > Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> > month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> > racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> > place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> > Thanks
> > Racer Bud.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:53:37 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:53:37 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
	<4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F8888D-D22F-43BB-85EA-6F8651337BC8@bnj.com>

Allen screws and a small air wrench.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell  
> housing
> bolts.
> http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html
>
> A.

From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:55:51 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081955q6b56bfacx77fa7aa8f4a85fa0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bill.

I just wish the audio was better, I will have to use a wind sock on the mic
next time.
Lost the sweet sounding 6.

Go figure eh, the car is running its best at the end of the season.

Oh well.

A.

2008/11/8 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>

> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> > Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
> > piece of
> > kit from work and went for a drive.
> >
> > http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> > A.
> >
> > --
> > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> > Ottawa, ON, Canada
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> >
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>



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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:56:57 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>

That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>> piece of
>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
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>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 21:01:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>>> had a problem
>>> since >

From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 21:11:35 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:11:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
Message-ID: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>

I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't 
miss it at all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> Andre,
>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>> Thank you for sharing.
>> Bill
>> 70 GT-6+
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>> piece of
>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>
>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:14:10 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:14:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <3A3039D9-8939-4BDA-9C28-3A36379A2F71@bnj.com>

I miss it, but I try to do it from a safe distance. Maui is a good  
place to miss snow.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and  
> I don't miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com 
>> >
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around

From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 21:16:56 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811082016p55731638y1807371fb70bcee0@mail.gmail.com>

True snow country eh...
http://www.justdrive.ca/snow/March2008/slides/DSCN3268b.html

2008/11/8 Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't
> miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>  That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <
>> wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>>
>>
>>  Andre,
>>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>>> Thank you for sharing.
>>> Bill
>>> 70 GT-6+
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>>> piece of
>>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>>
>>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:17:04 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:17:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E6B6754C-A8C6-4695-973D-88CC330E1C85@bnj.com>

That would be a great question to ask guys with sophisticated toys. I  
used to get to talk with the guys at Roush every now and then, and ask  
them question like that, but with the Vincent project pretty much  
dead, that access is gone I fear.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:01 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the  
> torque plate or head is applied.
>
> perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.
>
> perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.
>
> only conjecture on part. no data.
>
> joe

From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 06:11:30 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1083D104F674-528-168D@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com>

FWIW I've never been able to get true repeatability with stock liners. 
I suspect that the larger the bore size (89mm+) exacerbates the problem 
since there is less material to support the clamping load.
I've had the best results using Ken Gs LA sleeves, requiring only 
finish honing.
YMMV
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the 
torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE 

>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and 

>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help 
coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never
>>> had a problem
>>> since >
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 18:14:43 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:14:43 EST
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
Message-ID: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>

As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor 
thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old ones for 
spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec is. 
Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun Nov  9 18:49:57 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-- Magazine article about Kas in Sept. Hemmings Sports &
 Exotic Cars
Message-ID: <001e01c942d6$a3a4f060$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

Hi Kas,
I was trying to get up-to-date on past auto magazines and I ran on to the
great article about you in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Cars, September edition.
It was most interesting to me that you we from Batavia, NY. This past summer
while at a One-Lap event at Mid-Ohio, I spent a good bit of time reminiscing
with Brock Yates and I was surprised that he was from Batavia, me being a
neighbor from Bradford, which is just 16 miles from Olean. Yes, we do know
what snow country is all about.  I don't miss it either.  Northwest Ohio is
not Calif. but it is a vast improvement over the snow belt of western New York
and northwest Penna.

A neighbor of ours here in Ohio is from Lockport and her son-in-law is from
Batavia.

Congratulations on the fine article in Hemmings.  It is certainly very much
deserved.
Bob Johns

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 20:05:00 2008
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
References: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A97D94D172E4D889786DB048DAE5CE9@vefadvisors.com>

my shop manual says the minimum thickness for the disc is 0.460, though I 
have run them below that with no warpage at the track.
I don't see a spec for the drum max. ID
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors


> As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor
> thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old 
> ones for
> spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec 
> is.
> Thanks.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 00:03:13 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:03:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <d25.3c2c7489.364936b1@aol.com>

Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
 
The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
you race......
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
To: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9 at cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque 
plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 


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From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 10:46:24 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] need a TR6 gas tank
Message-ID: <c54.3b4c6fd3.3649cd70@aol.com>

Just pulled the gas tank out of our 1969 TR6. There are way more rust holes 
than I would like and I hate to weld gas tanks. Does any one have an extra one?

Tim Suddard
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 13:26:29 2008
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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gmt-8 Pacific time

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov 10 13:28:58 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:28:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811101528110.15583@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Gasket Works USA wrote:

> Not to be conflicting with my interest....

Mes non!

> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

SECOND.

> Mordy

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 10 13:31:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIMEDOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 13:42:16 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:42:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <625621115-1226349815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1030504228-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

As a second gen TR racer, I'll third.

Steve Belfer
------Original Message------
From: Paul MacDonald
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Gasket Works USA
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Nov 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination..

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:23 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <73C282E8D338459FB57A64CA2DA5CF52@newcomputer>

Mordy,
I would think that he is "Grandfathered in"!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:43 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <A8147E7036964EA49B9A854588F7A44C@KasPC>

Delighted to second the nomination of Aaron, neat young man,. ----- Original 
Message ----- 
From: "Gasket Works USA" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


> Not to be conflicting with my interest....
>
> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)
>
> Mordy
>
>
> M.N.Dunst
>
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
>
> gmt-8 Pacific time
>
> 626.358.1616 voice
>
> 626.628.3777 fax
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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 14:22:26 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <8CB1191900656BC-858-17A@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at verizon.net>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

==AM==
Having had the honor not only of meeting you and Mike, but also to have 
had Mike actually drive my car in an autocross back in '89, I also 
happily second / third / whatever Aaron's nomination!

--Andy Mace

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Mon Nov 10 20:10:36 2008
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 

From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 10 20:21:36 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:21:36 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in  
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear  
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the  
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main  
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new  
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it  
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go  
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 10 20:55:52 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:55:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <26E705C2.18292984.00159EE9@cs.com>

Seems brilliant to me....

of course, few people know you employ an in-house engineering staff of one. You know, the one with prominent whiskers. Wise well beyond his nine lives.

Joe A 

> 
>Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
>Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
>was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
>installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
>that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
> 
>The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
>you race......
> 
>Hardy
> 
>In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Nov 10 21:07:13 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:07:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
Message-ID: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera
 
Ed Barnard

 
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

      -- Thomas Jefferson
 
 
 

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 21:48:00 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:48:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <005a01c943b8$adf29710$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Geeze Kas, what's not to miss?
   Three foot dumps any time between late Oct and early Apr?
  The need to use an air chisel or blow torch to get the ice off the
windshield?
  The natural gas meters spinning at dizzying rates?
  The need for a wardrobe that would keep an Eskimo warm?
  Needing snow tires AND regular ones? (And no, all seasons are not just as
good as studded snow beaters!)
  Minimal daylight hours? (Think SAD)
  The maintenance on the plow or snow blower?(You could get a snowmobile for
fun, but if you think your race car takes a lot of TLC,.......)
  Strains, pains, and heart attacks from shoveling snow?
  Getting frostbite from just going to the mailbox?

  Oh well, one of these days I may head south for the winter. Just can't
find a way to drag my 100 acres of land with me.
  Stay warm.
  Happy Veteran's day to all that served. Rememberance Day for our Canadian
friends.
  Bill Tobin  Erie, PA   (Only 5 inches snowfall today!)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
  To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G
Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


  > I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I
don't
  > miss it at all.
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
  > To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  >
  >
  > > That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
  > > Racer Bud
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > > To: <andre at gt6.ca>
  > > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  > >
  > >
  > >> Andre,
  > >> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet.
I'd
  > >> forgotten how much I miss it.
  > >> Thank you for sharing.
  > >> Bill
  > >> 70 GT-6+
  > >>
  > >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
writes:
  > >>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
  > >>> piece of
  > >>> kit from work and went for a drive.
  > >>>
  > >>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
  > >>>
  > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
  > >>> A.
  > >>>
  > >>> --
  > >>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  > >>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  > >>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:14:30 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAIeRZyodfo9PpLNBpDeYUm4BAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

You can do if you have an light weight flywheel. With the stock flywheel you
only get the bearing cap out if you have removed the outer edges of the
sealing ring.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. November 2008 04:22
An: J.C. Hassall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
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> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Nov 11 06:05:52 2008
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:05:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Veterans
Message-ID: <f816c7776b3d.49198330@optonline.net>

Just wanted to say Thank you for your service.


Todd Redmond

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 06:20:37 2008
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Tue Nov 11 07:07:32 2008
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:07:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Brake residual pressure valves
Message-ID: <COEHIGDHIJHOCPAJBPBIIELHDEAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I good friend, whose design abilities I respect, suggested that I add brake
pressure residual valves to my new brake system and even went to far as to
send me two (2 psi for the front disks and 10 psi for the rear drums.)

As I understand it, these retain a small amount of pressure on the brakes,
preventing the pads/shoe from fully disengaging.  While it makes sense that
these would then re-engage more quickly (less travel), it would seem that
this would also increase the wear on those parts and create unnecessary
drag.

Is anyone willing to comment on the positive aspects of installing these on
my street TR3?

Thanks

Ken Gano

From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:23:41 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:23:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>

Group,

I was "in" '55 to '58, US Army, 101st Airborne, 82nd Airborne Jump School
and 11th Airborne Infantry (the Flying Red Assholes) in Germany for two
years.

My highest rank held, Sergeant; discharged Corporal. 

I trust that all Vets feel as I do. I saluted my flag with honor while in
uniform and it is with pride that I can now salute it again. I also salute
our outgoing President and our incoming one with equal respect. Maybe
uncompromised loyalty is part of that ingrained military mindset, but a lot
of us still have it and there seems to be no known cure. 

Thanks to all of you who served and thanks equally to all of you who love
our Country with our same level of passion. 

Richard Taylor


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ernest Husmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:21 AM
To: FOT; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT veterans

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

      -- Thomas Jefferson
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:27:13 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:27:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <384611FCC820458D871A753127616489@richardiipc>

Salute the flag info:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123064483

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 08:58:28 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>

Amici...

The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently 
completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful 
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the 
editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.  The article 
reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what 
was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership 
(somethinorother Junction).  It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid.  At the time, I 
was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had seven places 
for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have.  I always wondered what 
happened to it.  According to the article it has been moving around, including 
some time in a private collection in Switzerland.  Neat looking car, with 
exotic body work.

Another article in the same issue that caught my eye was about a late 1950s 
Standard Atlas caravan entitled the Little Blue Bus.  We'd call it a mini-Van.  
Its blue and white Triumph shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, 
and is stretched to at least twice its normal width, with no added height.  This 
supposedly befitting the Atlas' ample nose bonnet.  It appears to have a 
speedometer and no other gauges.  Looks like it would seat nine people, but I 
don't know if they'd get to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, 
which means a 948cc engine.  Wow.  Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a 
1700cc Ensign engine.

Bill Dentinger
        


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From Herald948 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 09:25:38 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:25:38 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>

Bill and others:
 
The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,  
along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More  
information at
 
_http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_ 
(http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp) 
 
Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
 
And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North  
America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van currently  
residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web 
site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well as  
publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit Triumph 
 distributors in the early 1960s.
 
Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of  
highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa proving  
run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:31:41 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:31:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
Message-ID: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Herald948 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill and others:
>
> The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,
> along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More
> information at
>
> _http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_
> (http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp)
>
> Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
>
> And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North
> America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van 
> currently
> residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web
> site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well 
> as
> publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit 
> Triumph
> distributors in the early 1960s.
>
> Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of
> highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa 
> proving
> run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
>
> Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald
> Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:39:35 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:39:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire (Now Atlas Van)
In-Reply-To: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
	<405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
Message-ID: <AFCDE2B5C7754221BFA6F43647C94F93@newcomputer>

They might be a bit more peppy with a Honda S2000 engine instead of that
wimpy 948.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:32 AM
To: Herald948 at aol.com; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Nov 11 13:40:54 2008
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY142-W126D159352E995FBE144D0C8150@phx.gbl>

Hello all-

Not to promote too hard, but we had a feature cover story by Paul Richardson
about the replica Macau Spitfire in The Vintage Triumph several issues ago.

Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 -0500>
To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire> > Amici...> > The
December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently > completed,
and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire. Replica or not, it's a beautiful >
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club. The article
> reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what
> was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership >
(somethinorother Junction). It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid. At the
time, I > was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had
seven places > for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have. I always
wondered what > happened to it. According to the article it has been moving
around, including > some time in a private collection in Switzerland. Neat
looking car, with > exotic body work.> > Another article in the same issue
that caught my eye was about a late 1950s > Standard Atlas caravan entitled
the Little Blue Bus. We'd call it a mini-Van. > Its blue and white Triumph
shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, > and is stretched to at least
twice its normal width, with no added height. This > supposedly befitting the
Atlas' ample nose bonnet. It appears to have a > speedometer and no other
gauges. Looks like it would seat nine people, but I > don't know if they'd get
to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, > which means a 948cc
engine. Wow. Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a > 1700cc Ensign engine.>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 11 15:52:33 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:52:33 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>

Bill Dentinger wrote:
> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful
> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.

Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of occasions - and having read 
Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps 
it at the TSSC H/Q all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people carrier with towbar. What's that 
got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America 
plans to visit the UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:

1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau Spitfire
4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and engineering 'history lesson'
5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK

FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people carrier would be appreciated. 
The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the 
news tonight, the rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.

Jonmac 

From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 16:56:21 2008
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <380-2200811211235621718@earthlink.net>

Jim,
 
Curious why you would put main bearings in a motor that you race or exert
more than a street car without having the crank checked for out of round or
the block for alignment. My experience has taught me that the main and rod
bearings take a set to the crank and that putting a set of new bearings on
an unchecked crank is a recipe for disaster.

Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/10/2008 10:09:25 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
>
> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go 
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 18:40:46 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 EST
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>

With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 18:59:34 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:59:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
References: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1721014884-1226541646-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415134295-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Are we talking about pounding in the sealant-soaked felt strips
While lying on your back?

Holy cow. 

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal


With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 12 22:23:38 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20081113052344.0A8D518766E@autox.team.net>

I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the 
details on the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the 
rear seal this way, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.

- Tony Drews

At 09:10 PM 11/10/2008, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
>car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
>cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
>split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
>*except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
>TIA
>
>jim
>
>--
>J.C. Hassall
>Blacksburg VA
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 12 23:17:32 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
Message-ID: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
Thanks - Ed -

From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com  Thu Nov 13 12:14:29 2008
From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Exploded view of new H6 Carb
Message-ID: <AB79443E5D9F884892394E75C7E58E8805DBFC7C@wbwburpexmb5.amer.warnerbros.com>

Here is an excellent picture that I found while I am supposed to be
working.



http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ExplodedImageCoordinates.aspx?ProductId=33910







~Steve

From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:41:01 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:41:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <c93.37ac29d1.364ddccd@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/08 4:09:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
henry at henryfrye.com writes:

<< I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from  LA
 Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one  scored line
r. I called Ken, he is out of stock >>

I have always taken used liners, clamped them down in an old block, and had a
machinist bore them to the piston size.  Furnish him with a piston and tell
him how much clearance you want.
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 12:45:46 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:45:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
In-Reply-To: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CDD82B62D004635B52C20DCA481B0E3@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It depends on the year.  Check out this site for details

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/springs.htm

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of
springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6. Thanks - Ed -
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:57:52 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <c8b.38eea0f3.364de0c0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/08 9:24:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tony at tonydrews.com writes:

<< I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the   details on 
the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the   rear seal this way
, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.   >>
The shop manual shows a special tool that pulls the rear main straight down.
I made one of these with only a fire ax, drill press, and buzz box.  Cut a
strip of metal from some plate (or use bar stock).  Drill two holes in the ends
and weld nuts over the holes on one side.  Two bolts thread into the nuts.
Drill two smaller holes between the nuts so that the bar stock could be bolted
to the main cap.  Tighten the bolts threaded into the nuts, and the cap can be
easily pulled down and out.

Yes, many times I had plenty of Permatex slopped in my face and hair while
pounding in felt underneath the car while lying on my back.
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 17:11:51 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
Message-ID: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while  Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob

From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 13 17:22:20 2008
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:22:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>

How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 and 
a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would be fine 
to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there and done 
that person. Not track; mainly road use.
JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


> Lister's:
> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
> Thanks - Ed -

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 17:30:19 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:30:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
References: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
Message-ID: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 17:57:58 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:57:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <88D6B22012EB43BDB5F8CF6E9F42538A@DadsComputer>

Jerry,

According to the Triumphtune Manual they springs are as follows,

Fronts
TR4A/TR5/TR6
312 lbs, 6.75" fitted length
Rears
TR4A 280 lbs 8.2" fitted length
TR5  320 lbs 8.4" fitted length
TR6 late 354 lbs 8.81 fitted length

That last spring shows to raise the ride height to 9.0 in a TR4A

Hope that helps,

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To: <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spring rates


> How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 
> and a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would 
> be fine to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there 
> and done that person. Not track; mainly road use.
> JVV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
>
>
>> Lister's:
>> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
>> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
>> Thanks - Ed -
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu Nov 13 19:32:35 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 19:51:46 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:51:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rear view
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>

Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
> see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
> raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 20:03:46 2008
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:03:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Glen write up
Message-ID: <271403135.480441226631826051.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net>

   Nice  picture  of  Rob Deanes TR4 and the Stadel Ambro in Victory Lane
   this Month. Photo taken at The Glen in Sept.

   Dean T.

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 20:52:09 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
Message-ID: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>

Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? 
Thanks Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be 
good to try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fasttrs at mindspring.com>; "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" 
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


> Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
> To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
>
>>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Curry
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
>> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that 
>> has
>> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that 
>> they
>> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
>> incredibly cheap.
>>
>> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if 
>> you
>> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
>> see
>> what they have.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of rob
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
>> Best
>> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
>> raceing.
>> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the 
>> rebateout
>> in
>> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
>> brightness.
>> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
>> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Nov 14 09:16:26 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, rob wrote:

> Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? Thanks 
> Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be good to 
> try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob

I can't address the babah wahwah thing, but one minor prob with LCD 
screens is that if you wear polarized sunglasses, you may have to tilt 
your head to see what's on the screen. Not good if yer looking to see if 
the GT1 camaro is about to punt you as you enter a corner.

This is probably a case where the low-tech solution (a wink mirror or 
something similar) is the best solution.

My $0.02

p.s. You Do It Electronics in the Boston area is affectionately referred 
to by MIT folks as "You Broke It Electronics". Fun place!!

rml
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 14 16:06:53 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself (though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs - is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it 'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space, ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 16:17:16 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:17:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Nov 14 16:26:36 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:26:36 GMT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <200811141626734.SM07420@[166.70.182.40]>

To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting
in Arkansas that is available.B  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not
we've got one ready to go!
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WIHello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 16:37:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <491E0BB1.8080707@charter.net>

I tried that same backup camera but from Costco for less than $100.. I 
may work in a race car but when I hooked it up to my 35 foot motor home 
it couldn't transmit the distance.
If you have any leads for a cheaper more cost effective unit I would 
like to know.
Still interested in a reasonable one but Camping World units are way too 
expensive. The camera has a mount that doubles for  a license plate 
bracket.
Regards
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Racer working out the build problems




Mike Munson wrote:
> I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>  I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Nov 14 16:42:43 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:42:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F2995F15EEFC464A90409A92BDA9311A@newcomputer>

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 17:19:45 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>

Thanks for all the help on the SU questions I will be ordering a lower 
pressure fuel pressure regulator from Summit/Holley in the near future.

I have a new question to those with a spit racer.
My vehicle has a 1300cc engine with an aluminum bell housing , 3 rail 
early trans., early clutch with an aluminum flywheel.
My problem is that that I can't get enough travel from the  stock Clutch 
master cylinder or slave cylinder to disengage for a shift change.

With my TR6, I came up with an adjustable lever long before the guys 
started selling them on ebay.  I don't seem to have enough travel.
Have any of you had any similar experiences, do I need to develope and 
adjustable push rod??

Thanks in advance

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer working out the problems

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 18:04:26 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
Message-ID: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>

John:

What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
year.  It should be quite an journey.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:07 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me
announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later
in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of
distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find
details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or
triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had
to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself
(though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were
never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs -
is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would
have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most
graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA
near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in
the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever
done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I
hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man
who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards
please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it
'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the
remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after
the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel
and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San
Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end
of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space,
ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do
our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:23:56 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:23:56 EST
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <be5.43ebf73d.364f9acc@aol.com>

Jonmac, your mission was a very worthy endeavor before but you have now  made 
it so personal to so many of us.  For this I am sure I can speak for  many in 
saying "Thank You!"
 
Cheers & God Bless you & Uncle Jack.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:26:52 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <bcd.3f0d5721.364f9b7c@aol.com>

OK, now I'm interested.  Body in Wisconsin, frame in Arkansas and me  in 
Branson with a good engine & O/D transmission.  Somebody needs to do  some here.  
I'm open so perhaps contact me off list.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:25:46 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:25:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

The frame I had for the project is spoken for, so take a look at Brad's frame.

Scott 

________________________________

From: Brad Kahler 
To: Barr, Scott; fot 
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:26:36 2008
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI 


To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting in Arkansas that is available.  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not we've got one ready to go!

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI


Hello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:30:23 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:30:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, it had to go through NM before it got to your place in AZ, didn't it?? :-)

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; spitfires at autox.team.net <spitfires at autox.team.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:42:43 2008
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 14 20:42:05 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
	<000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081115034214.C41ED187642@autox.team.net>

FWIW - Jack always had his nickname in all lower case - "uncle jack 
racing".  Part of his low key profile, I suppose.  That's why in 
Jonmac's note it's in lower case rather than upper case.  Minor 
detail, but says something about the man, I think.  The "case" really 
doesn't matter to me, but I thought you'd appreciate that detail.

Both Frances and I are quite honored by Jonmac's request.

- Tony Drews

At 07:04 PM 11/14/2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>John:
>
>What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
>other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
>to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
>year.  It should be quite an journey.
>
>Gary

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 14 23:25:05 2008
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:25:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
Message-ID: <491E6B41.5020507@bradakis.com>

I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
squaretail.
It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and clutch.  
This
car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.

After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I put in
new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
the back of the cylinder.

But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
not wanting to play together.  Oh well.

mjb.

From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Nov 15 08:08:35 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:08:35 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
	<2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>
Message-ID: <D47391CFFF0A4BCEA69229B3EBCA23DF@PBA.INT>

Hi all - similarly from me if John has a few takers ..... but you'll be in 
Tr4 land ......

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill Dentinger wrote:
>> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
>> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, 
>> it's a beautiful
>> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, 
>> the
>> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.
>
> Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of 
> occasions - and having read Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can 
> attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps it at the TSSC H/Q 
> all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
> For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people 
> carrier with towbar. What's that got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just 
> to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America plans to visit the 
> UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:
>
> 1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
> 2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
> 3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau 
> Spitfire
> 4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and 
> engineering 'history lesson'
> 5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK
>
> FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people 
> carrier would be appreciated. The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you 
> as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the news tonight, the 
> rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 08:09:28 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
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Marks story sounds like a carbon copy of mine.
I picked up the 72 Spit as a basket case in Salt Lake a few years ago. 
It came in boxes of parts with little explanation of what origin or 
years they were from.
This car has not run or raced since the late 70's so I don't have the 
experience if it worked with or without the aluminum bell housing.
As Marks car this is a Mark 4 1300, full synchro 3 rail but with an 
aluminum flywheel stock disc and pressure plate.
I too pulled out the slave and I'm getting travel from the piston and 
the clutch master has ~ 1 inch of stroke.
I think the aluminum flywheel is the late version but I can't say for 
sure since I only have cast iron late and early flywheels to compare it to.
They seem to be similar if not the same.
The aluminum bell housing came with the rest of the parts and was 
notched for header clearance so I'm assuming all the parts worked 
together at some point in time.
Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different 
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Race Car working out the problems in Michigan


Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
> squaretail.
> It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and 
> clutch.  This
> car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.
>
> After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I 
> put in
> new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
> measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
> slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
> would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
> up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
> much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
> exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
> not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
> we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
> another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
> slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
> the back of the cylinder.
>
> But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
> yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
> issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
> not wanting to play together.  Oh well.
>
> mjb.
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Nov 15 09:39:59 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Insane Driving Skill
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBICEHAEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

from a TR7/8 forum 


Paul

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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 10:11:24 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:11:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the  
earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to  clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and  
earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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From srcypher at mac.com  Sat Nov 15 10:42:22 2008
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 Speed Tranny wanted
Message-ID: <5334BFE5-A6A8-405D-A5BE-712BD85E0F93@mac.com>

Looking for cheap or free TR7 4 speed transmission to experiment on;  
as long as I can take it apart, its good for my purpose.  Let me know  
if there's one not too far from PA, MD or the TRI state area.

Thanks

-Scott Cypher
spitfireracer at xsmail.com
SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573
Reading, PA
http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery

1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar
1971 TR6 TBD
1976 TR7 Street
1968 GT6 Vintage

From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 15 12:10:08 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>

I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
so that should not make a difference.

That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
Questions

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the

earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between
early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless
there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to
clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and

earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on
earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I
don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 12:58:28 2008
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
Message-ID: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>

Amici -



The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
 

As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.


The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.

Good luck all,
Bob T
'64 Spit GT? autocrosser

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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Nov 15 13:08:29 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
In-Reply-To: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F2C3D.9010204@141.com>

The later single rail gearboxes will also bolt up to the aluminum bell 
housings but a few mods need to be made. 

You can see in the following picture the hole that we added to the 
aluminum bell housing for the shifter rail.  Unknown to me there is a 
small oil weep hole on the steel bell housing that was absent in our mod 
of the aluminum bell housing.  Thanks to Tony Drews who spotted the 
issue with the weep hole while we were racing at Mid-Ohio in 2002 we 
found that with that weep hole left uncovered every time Susan applied 
the brakes (she doesn't do that to often!) oil would pour through the 
hole into the clutch area and of course caused a huge oily mess. 

http://www.141.com/triumphs/projects/tristan/photos/Bell-housings.jpg

I don't have a picture of the patch welded over the hole but once we did 
that the massive oil leak went away.  Bottom line is you have to provide 
clearance for the shifter rail to protrude into the clutch area and then 
you have to weld a bubble type patch over it to allow the oil from the 
shifter rod to drain back into the transmission.

Brad


robertten1 at aol.com wrote:
> Amici -
>
>
>
> The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
>  
>
> As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.
>
>
> The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.
>
> Good luck all,
> Bob T
> '64 Spit GT? autocrosser

From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 14:14:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>

Looking over my spare parts and a closer inspection of the clutch 
hydraulics revealed that I can't get enough travel out of the slave 
cylinder.
I measured the  the master cylinder stroke ~ 1 inch but slave cylinder 
is ~ 1/2 inch. When assembled I run out of travel with the slave piston 
so it only travels 5/16- 3/8 inch.
Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I think) it 
would equate to less travel but not that much.
I have not yet pulled the trans but planning to do so shortly.
Thanks for the suggestions
Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer pulling the transmission. (its snowing here 
so I'm moving a little slow)

Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> gaf3 at charter.net writes:
>
>     Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a
>     different
>     release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??
>
>  
> ==AM==
> I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them 
> for the earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing 
> sleeve and "clutch disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part 
> numbers between early Spitfire (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and 
> beyond (diaphragm clutch).
>  
> Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore 
> slave cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know 
> (unless there are part numbers on them); sorry!
>  
> As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to 
> clutch action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of 
> the alloy bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used 
> on Herald 948 and earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker 
> flange as used on earlier Spitfires (but which should be usable on any 
> three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't know offhand if there's a 
> difference in overall depth between those two bellhousings...but I can 
> measure if anyone really cares! ;-)
>  
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
> Triumph Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
> Register: http://www.vtr.org <http://www.vtr.org/>
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us <http://triumph-herald.us/>
>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 15 14:21:59 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:21:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081115212159.LWGF7376.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall>

> Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I 
> think) it would equate to less travel but not that much.

Don't forget that the stroke ratio is the square of the diameters.  5/8"
diameter to 7/8" diameter works out to about to about 1:2.

Randall

From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 15:42:23 2008
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:42:23 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <d35.3e78d1c4.3650aa4f@aol.com>

Are you saying that the slave does not go far enough into the slave 
bracket?....


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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 15:54:33 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
	<61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <491F5329.10703@charter.net>

Thanks all for the suggestions on what could be causing the issue with 
the clutch on this race car.

Joe Curry made a suggestion that I file an additional slot is the slave 
cylinder body to gain travel.
I found an old slave cylinder from the former owner and it had a second 
slot filed in it. This
Must be how he resolved the clutch release problem.  Here is a photo of 
the fix.

I now get enough travel and the clutch releases enough to shift gears ( 
on the jack stands anyway )

I'll save the trans R&R for next time.

Thanks again to the Triumph brain trust.
Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer on to the next problem

Joe Curry wrote:
> I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
> difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
> so that should not make a difference.
>
> That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
> flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
> which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
> definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
> To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
> Questions

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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sun Nov 16 10:53:23 2008
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:53:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 body and frame for sale
Message-ID: <8766F195516A4B35A69062A5F34EC61B@Dell5100Laptop>

Sorry for the commercial but someone on FOT might want these before I
post them to the 6 pack list or Ebay.

 

1)       A very, very nice and complete late TR6 body, including doors,
deck lid and hood.  Floor pans were replaced and the rest of the body
was stripped and painted a very pretty red color about 10 years ago.
It's been stored inside ever since and is nearly ready to go back on a
frame.  For some reason they didn't paint the floors so there's some
surface rust but otherwise they're new.  There is also a little rust
along the very bottom of the rear valance and fenders but it's minimal
and would be an easy fix.  This would make a great vintage race car body
as it sits.

2)       Late TR6 frame, came from under the body above.  I separated
them so I could more closely inspect the frame before listing it for
sale.  For the most part it appears to be very solid but had apparently
been hit in the front at some point.  It was repaired and appears
straight.  It needs the usual gussets and rear diff mounts beefed up
although someone has welded in some bracing on the front diff supports.
There is the usual surface rust but I tapped on all surfaces with a pick
hammer and didn't find anything serious.  The frame is a roller, with
suspension and diff included.

3)       Asking $4,000 obo for both. Located in North Florida.

 

Don Marshall  

904-259-9668

Macclenny, FL

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Sun Nov 16 18:53:34 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


G. Michael Harmuth

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov 16 19:52:54 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <D381BD2EC34242858360EE725CE96A91@newcomputer>

Yes, the Mk3 Spit shares the same front bumper and overriders with the Mk2
GT6 (GT6+ in the USA)

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of George Harmuth
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:54 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Nov 16 21:42:33 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:42:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT 6
Message-ID: <BLU136-W516C319E6444C453E48E70B2130@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
I,m Restoring a Evla Courier race car and I need a source for TR GT6 Front
suspension... vertical link (upright),spindle,caliper mounts, Rotors and Hubs
(alloy?). New parts are preferred if available.

Thank You

Tony Garmey

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Nov 17 07:38:00 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
Message-ID: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html

1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you 
can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner 
disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 
original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and 
factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one 
year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought 
after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than 
the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 
consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA

http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/

FYI - NFI - Tony Drews

From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Mon Nov 17 09:11:25 2008
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:11:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>

The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has been his 
business for that time, although many of his transactions have involved 
higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is apparently very near me if an 
FoT has an interest and I could help.  NFI

Dave Talbott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250


> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>
> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you can 
> see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner disassembled the 
> car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 original miles. Original 
> engine, desirable period alloy wheels and factory TR 6 hardtop. No 
> overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one year (1968) only 8000 units were 
> produced making it the most sought after and valuable Triumph sports car. 
> A way better investment than the stock market $6,500 call Dave 
> 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 
> 650cc Triumph or BSA
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>
> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 17 09:27:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Reading Material
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIGEHNEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

Check out the goldmine of racing and everything else Triumph at the VTR site
under TSOA newsletters. I just re-discovered the stash in doing some
research, although I had seen it before, it still is incredible.

http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/tsoa.html


Paul

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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 17 09:33:07 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:33:07 -1000
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
In-Reply-To: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
	<000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <504B1572-06DF-4EB8-B229-082D3468F4C8@bnj.com>

Tempting, very tempting. That's what I need, another project!
On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:11 AM, David Talbott wrote:

> The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has  
> been his business for that time, although many of his transactions  
> have involved higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is  
> apparently very near me if an FoT has an interest and I could help.   
> NFI
>
> Dave Talbott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
> Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
>
>
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>>
>> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very  
>> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as  
>> you can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner  
>> disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000  
>> original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and  
>> factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one  
>> year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought  
>> after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than  
>> the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877  
>> consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>>
>> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 10:33:50 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 11:18:19 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:18:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9EE2A12F5C8A4AE892CFBE0AAF3F7AF6@Bud>

1. I will race the same..but if the fields get small It won't be as much fun 
so I may cut back
2. entry fees are 425.00+
3. 1(SCCA)
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 12:03:01 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:03:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <c89.396ee977.365319e5@aol.com>

I place on racing the same as well.
 
Entry prices for CVAR events are around $250.  Plus $100. for Test & Tune.
 
CVAR has a few but I don't think it is a lot.
 
Gary Fuqua
63 TR 4
61 Bugeye
Branson, MO
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 17 12:21:27 2008
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A02F19CA61D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I too am with CVAR and the $250.00 amount applies for our events, but I am
afraid that the rate may be raised. Our numbers are already down and 3 of our
events are held at Texas World Speedway where the break even registration
number is purported to be over 120 cars. Our November event only had 112. I'd
love to see a historical event participation record.

As for the questions, I plan to go to the Mitty next year so I will probably
have a repeat of this year's 50% CVAR participation, 3 out of 6 events, to
save travel money for the Mitty.

We occasionally get a t-shirt sponsor but that is it.

Bob Kramer
Austin Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 12:37:47 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:37:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <CC0F76F7-5F27-468B-BCCD-1883BE3E5A7B@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I have a 62 TR3B.

I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.

The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.

I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.

Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.

What type of CR gears might I have?

~Steve

From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Nov 17 12:46:11 2008
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:46:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <69bcefbcebedf28a81163507e5b4fc23.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

> Gary Hortska asked:
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Well, since I sold my race car in August, I will reduce
the number of events to zero in 2009.  Anyone want
to buy a really nice enclosed race car trailer?

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Event fees were $185 for singles and something like
$300 or so for double race weekends last year as I
recall.  Since that is a minor part of the total expense
for a race weekend, I can't remember for sure.

> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

I race(d) exclusively with the SCCA, and only one race
a year (the Labor Day Double) had Corporate sponsorship,
although some races had dinners provided by sponsors.


John Lye

From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 13:07:40 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <111720082007.2149.4921CF0C000763AC000008652216538496970A9D010507@comcast.net>

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> FOT,
> 
> I have a 62 TR3B.
> 
> I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
> but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.
> 
> The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.
> 
> I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.
> 
> Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
> I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.


A TR6 usually has a 1.25" input shaft. Since you have the 1" 10 spline and use a GT6 disc, you should have the CR gearset in your TRanny.

Irv

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Nov 17 14:26:09 2008
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8E932D57C5B64EB489580DCE3D99C897@S1099895562>

> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Economics kept me from racing in 2008, probably won't race in 2009 either. I 
also didn't travel much for autocross -- longest trip was 120 miles one-way 
to Heartland Park Topeka for both the Midwest Divisional and Nationals (In 
the worst of times I never miss Nationals). Also, the only races I worked 
last year were that same 120-mile trip to HPT for a double National and the 
Runoffs. Won't go to 2009 Runoffs, even to work -- too far (Road America). 
I'll do most or all of my local autocrosses. Probably only work the couple 
of races scheduled at HPT.

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Races ~$200. Autocross locally $20, Divisionals ~$60, Nationals $110. 
Outside of local events, travel/lodging is the major expense, not entry 
fees. (and we hope the car doesn't break anything really expensive.) For 
Nationals and Runoffs I worked a deal for a really cheap hotel room 
($38/day) that I won't be able to do next year.


> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

None in SCCA Midwest club racing. Autocross has sponsors at 
Divisional/National level, but they don't directly offset entry fees. 
Divisional sponsorship porimarily pays for awards. National covers many 
event expenses. However, I'm sure the money they pump in has helped keep 
entry fees from rising.

--Rocky Entriken
   GP Spitfire

From bswope959 at msn.com  Mon Nov 17 15:50:33 2008
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY137-DAV2C49827CDC9A4C74A457BEC130@phx.gbl>

Gary The last survey I saw showed the average vintage racer had 4+ years of
education above Highschool and earned over $109,000 per year. I think the need
for speed will prevail and I believe the price of true Vintage racers will
hold. Sales may slow. Don't confused wormed over production cars with roll
bars To be the same as borne to be race cars. (sport racers, open-wheel,
factory one ups and the likes.)
I will race next year,
SWMS club week -in is $250
We have sponsor funds
The VMC met last week, I was not available to go ,but I bet they discussed
what you are asking. WWW.VMC.com<http://www.vmc.com/>
Wm. (Bill) Swope
dba C ME GO Racing
1030 Green Valley Rd. NW
Los Ranchos, N M  87107
bswope959 at msn.com<mailto:bswope959 at msn.com>
(505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary Horstkorta<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:33 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


  Hello:



  At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking
with
  several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
  U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
  With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
  speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
  afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
  responses:



  1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

  2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
  race with?

  3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
  sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



  Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
  Thanks.



  Gary

  1962 TR4
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 16:08:26 2008
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6793539A0711427DAC99FF0274F24CFB@steven2sbouwlk>

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

            Actually, I plan on doubling my race entries in 2009.  It's my 
plan to keep the economy going - life is short, way too short, and my dad 
has advised me to not count the money I'll save by not racing, on my 
deathbed.

 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

            My entry fees average $400, the total expense for an event 
averages $1500 - I could lower this to $1400 if I eat more chicken

 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

            SVRA

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA #393 Group3


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Nov 17 16:16:19 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <20081117.161620.3544.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Nov 17 16:50:40 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49220350.2010609@cfl.rr.com>

Gary Horstkorta wrote:
> Hello:
>
>  
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>  
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>   
                   *I am going this weekend to pick up a 57 TR3 racer, 
reassemble it, have it together by next fall and race it.
                   So I plan to support the industry and race organizations*
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>   
                   *SCCA in Florida is $150 and VDCA is $325. VDCA is by 
far the best buy for seat time and social gathering*.
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>   
                   *I suppose SCCA has some type of sponsorship but 
can't speak for VDCA.*
> Bob Davis

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:38:06 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit Clutch Release Problems
Message-ID: <94449AB122644811983B2282D6F85C18@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I too had problems similar to this.  Everything was fine until I put in a
NOS Borg & Beck pressure plate.  The clutch didn't want to disengage until
the pedal was almost to the floor.  I also had a new racing clutch disk, but
it was identical to the old one.  Nothing else had changed, but I checked to
see if there was problems with the slave cylinder, rod, etc and found
nothing unusual.  I checked to see if the clutch was grabbing tightly in the
shop, and the permanent rubber marks in my shop floor show that it was.  I
ran the car that way for the weekend, it felt weird, but worked ok.

We had engine problems and took the engine, with the clutch assy to the
engine builder to get fixed.  When I got it back, I noted that they didn't
like the way the clutch went on, the fingers were depressed too far.  They
shimmed the pressure plate out from the flywheel about 1/16 inch and it
works and feels great.  We've now run 4 consecutive weekends with it and no
problems whatsoever.

Jim Norlin

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:48:50 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:48:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6E60B7D23CA149469385319EA63B2C9F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

We expect to run more or less the same as last year.

Entry fees run from about $230 for a single regional to $450 for a
regional/national.

Corporate sponsorship exists at many of the events we run, but it's focused
on paying for the social activities and trophys, etc.  It does help keep the
costs down a bit.

I've found the easiest way to save on race expenses is to find race fuel
away from the track.  Away from the track, I'm paying $4 per gallon less
than at the track - $40 to $60 a weekend.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less. Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Nov 18 05:16:11 2008
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003901c94977$73321e10$59965a30$@net>

1.  I will probably race a bit more

2.  Entry fees are now typically up into the $400 range on an average. Used
to be there were a number of events that were ~$250 but costs have gone up
across the board for the tracks and sanctioning bodies as well so it's
natural they are reflected in the entry fees. There may be differences
between club environments that rely mostly on volunteers vs corporate
entities that try to operate at a profit. 

3.  There are a number of sanctioning bodies that have some corporate
sponsorship but without viewing their P&L it would be hard to determine
where the funds ended up and whether it impacted the entry fee.

Vintage racing is a great hobby but it does come at a cost. It's a decision
each person needs to make as to whether an event is right for them. There
are large scale events at famous tracks with many bells and whistles and
then lesser attended events more economical by club entities on some
occasions. Again, it's a decision for each individual to make based on
costs, seat time, safety of participants, location and politics with the
sanctioning body. 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49
VARAC; SVRA; VRG

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 12:28:18 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:28:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <AE3E3B7F-8081-4696-B2D1-F9DFE1DE0FA1@earthlink.net>

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve

From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 15:46:30 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Racing plans for 2009
In-Reply-To: <2006092433.418771227047854992.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1040754807.420281227048390789.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gary: Here is my respnse to your three questions regarding 2009 vintage
racing:



1. I plan on racing the same # of weekends in 09, but will stay closer to home
next year. For example, no trip to Watkins Glen from the Pacific NW. If I
could get my TR4 accepted to Mon terrey Historics, that is probably worth
selling some ( or possibly a lot!!) B deflated stocks to attend.



2. The big National events, i.e. SVRA at the Glen or RA are around $500, but
that is just the start of the expenses. Test and tune adds another $300 to
400, not to mention getting to the track, motels, gas, etc. Our local SOVREN
events are $300 + or -.



3. We have major corporate sponsorships for the SOVREN Historics, i.e.
Edelbrock and a host of others, but those funds go to the Seattle Children's
Hospital as a charitable contribution.



Regards,



John

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 16:46:39 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <1973471777-1227053688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273488860-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Got them.  Thanks FOT
------Original Message------
From: Steven Belfer
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Sent: Nov 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve
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Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot



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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Nov 18 20:18:47 2008
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:18:47 EST
Subject: [Fot] Body panels needed
Message-ID: <cf6.4487f4fc.3654df97@aol.com>

I'm looking for a TR3A front apron and trunk lid (pre-60,000) in reasonably 
good condition. I'm not opposed to using an earlier TR3 (small mouth) apron.   

   Thanks,
    Dave


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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov 19 08:52:10 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:52:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] New HD Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811191049010.19113@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just noticed that Moss Europe has new Armstrong shocks in regular, +25% 
and +50% ratings.

Would anyone care to share if they've used these and whether they hold up 
under racing use?

I also looked at Mossmotors.com and I didn't find these parts there (yet). 
Anyone know if you can get them from the US source?

regards,
rml
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Nov 19 17:53:02 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
Message-ID: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 19:27:08 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
References: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <A76BBC057FEB405CB88EE2D4CC93E9D3@Bud>

Thanks Brad...for taking the time to send to us.Terrific history..By the 
way..I drag raced my 1962 tr4 street car at Fremont Drag Strip in California 
in about 1967, We had an autocross that went straight up the 1/4 mile strip, 
and then back through a chicane....I turned  about 18.4 sec. on the drag 
portion...There were 2 ways to shift the trs...1. pause slightly between 
gears..2....Shift so fast that it felt smooth(whoooom)..GREAT TORQUEY CARS
Racer Bud..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway


> Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.
>
> http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html
>
> Brad
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 06:22:12 2008
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
In-Reply-To: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <463629.43776.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello all. This is kind of strange but in the early 50's the hot rod club to
which I belonged was involved in getting drags started at Aquasco Speedway.
That was some time  before I became a part of the road racing scene. Brings
back a lot of memories. Cheers, Ed.

Ed Diehl

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:53 PM

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad
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From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Nov 23 10:14:30 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1229.1226975770.3542.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>

1. I would like to race as much as I have this past year and a half... about 6 events per calendar year.

2. CVAR is about $250.00 for the weekend plus $100.00 for a friday test and tune.

3. no sponsorship known

GT6 transmission...again...

Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6 times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a race with another organization...
Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
Bobby Whitehead
#53 CVAR EP Group II

From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov 23 13:20:28 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:20:28 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
References: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
Message-ID: <AD074A2C-617A-4CAF-9A44-8911AC05CCC9@bnj.com>

It's pretty easy to set up a hydraulic release bearing properly and  
once you do you don't have to worry about it anymore. You want to  
assemble everything with some clay on the face of the throwout bearing  
and the hydraulic actuator pushed all the way back. Then disassemble  
and measure the clay thickness to determine how much clearance you  
have between the bearing face and clutch boss. You want enough room so  
the clutch can disengage fully or you will toast the engine's thrust  
bearings. Say .060 to .070"

Now measure the travel of the actuator for one full stroke of the  
master cylinder. If the travel is longer than the recommended stroke  
of your clutch then you either need a smaller m/c (recommended) or a  
stop. Remember that the hydraulic actuator is self adjusting. It will  
not withdraw to the amount of clearance you set up--it will rest the  
throwout bearing lightly on the clutch boss. You'll get the full  
stroke of the actuator every time you press the clutch pedal to the  
floor. Setting clearance is just to be sure you always have room to  
fully release the clutch, even after a bit of disk wear.

I don't know what the recommended stroke of your GT6 clutch is. The  
stock setup may not overstroke the clutch, but with all the broken  
diaphragm springs I've seen over the years I wouldn't guarantee that.  
The long lever arm and a spring to pull the throwout bearing off the  
clutch means that the free play adjustment varies the stroke.
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

>
> Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the  
> flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob  
> Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from  
> Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change  
> showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last  
> event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6  
> times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays  
> test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
> Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched  
> whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
> Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch  
> material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
> Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go  
> back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was  
> too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the  
> release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was  
> planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to  
> Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do  
> not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I  
> run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
> I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder  
> if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
> Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the  
> slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a  
> race with another organization...
> Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
> Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
> Bobby Whitehead
> #53 CVAR EP Group II
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From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Nov 23 18:10:29 2008
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
Message-ID: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins

From britbits at netzero.com  Sun Nov 23 19:22:04 2008
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
In-Reply-To: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
References: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001501c94ddb$72339710$c4523542@jrg>

Try someone like Ted Schumacher at TSI Imports
(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com)

The 1500 manifold (UK version) is a direct bolt up to the 1296 cylinder
head.


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:10 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 12:23:59 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:23:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site (http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
www.kenalu.com
blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog

From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 13:08:42 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:08:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
References: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40FA4121-A943-4668-BC81-67843774A347@bnj.com>

I _knew_ I'd screw that up.

On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:57 AM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
>
>> More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept
>> 6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.
>
>
> Bill,
>
> These dates are Sunday thru Wednesday. Did you mean Sept 4-7 (Friday  
> thru Monday)?
>
> Irv

Bill Babcock
Babcock & Jenkins
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 13:58:31 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
	<0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <001101c94e77$68b559c0$3a200d40$@racer@comcast.net>

Bill:

Good news!  I'll be there with "The Flying Brick".

Gary
1962 TR4

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:24 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site
(http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 14:27:40 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:27:40 -0000
Subject: [Fot] In memory of uncle jack
Message-ID: <C5D17BDA47C9475A941DD48C27F72B71@Bevan>

Friends

As many of you know, I'm currently intending to do a Charity Drive across the States and Canada next 
year in a Stag - to help three charities (non-profits) raise money for the treatment of so many who 
suffer from PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder.
There's a website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk which you're welcome to visit to learn more. 
There's also a button on it you can click to keep up to speed with update emails from me on progress 
in preparing for the event and (hopefully) a daily diary and video download once we get underway 
with the Drive itself.
The prime point of this email is to give FoTers the first public announcement of what I feel is a 
very important landmark in the run-up to getting underway.
As most (all?) of us know, Jack Drews was a perfectionist in the way his car was always prepared and 
turned out whenever he went racing. I feel it is not too soon to say the 1973 Stag that I will be 
driving on the event will entirely reflect Jack's no compromise standards, and for this, I'm 
entirely indebted to Joe Pawlak and his loyal team of dedicated helpers at Illinois Sports Owners 
Association who, even as I write, are completely rebuilding the car from the ground up.
It's by now had its final coat of Sapphire Blue (original colour) though it was white when bought 
earlier this year. We're keeping the hardtop white to hopefully reflect out some of the heat the A/C 
won't be able to cope with!
But now we come to the important bit. After a most courteous email from Tony Drews, I want all of 
you to know the Stag will have a name. I can think of a good few unprintable ones but I want you to 
be aware that as of now the TTACD Stag will be known as uncle jack. Tony was most insistent we keep 
to lower case letters throughout because this is how Jack always signed off his emails to the list 
and certainly to me. I do hope Jack would approve - but I think he will. Joe Pawlak and the team 
have done a stupendous job so far and I see no reason why this standard will not continue. There's 
another more personal issue for me that I hope uncle jack won't object to having on his front 
bumper.
My late Dad, Charles Macartney, after whom The Macartney Charitable Trust was named in his memory, 
was also a perfectionist in anything he undertook - especially if it was anything to do with 
engineering and production issues at the factory in Coventry. With that in view, I do hope no-one 
will object if uncle jack appears on the highways and byways of the USA and Canada with a replica of 
Dad's licence plate that he moved from car to car over the years. That plate was first issued by the 
Coventry Motor Tax office in 1956 and is TRW 777.
Thank you Tony, thank you Frances, uncle jack will live on in more than just your memories and I 
promise I'll do my very best to look after him as we complete our marathon journey.
OK FoTers - uncle jack is back with us and I hope in a form which would ensure his approval.

Jonmac
(John Macartney) 

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Nov 24 17:59:03 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <OFFC470D40.75EAF07E-ON8525750B.0082D93F-8525750C.00056755@us.ibm.com>

As the proud new owner of a 70 GT6 MK2 I discovered that one of the
rotoflex couplings is dry rotted. I'm going to replace both of them and I
have a question. I was looking at my usual British parts supplier's
catalogs and I see a big difference in price for the couplings. There seems
to be 2 tiers of parts, some are in the $35-$45 range and then the others
are $135-$170. For example, the $40 part in the Victoria British catalog
looks like what I need but the large price difference makes me wonder if
I'm missing something. Is it just price gouging or is there a legitimate
reason for the $175 coupling vs the $40 one? BTW, the GT will be a street
car, not a racer, if that makes a difference for the parts.

Thanks
mike

63 Spit race car
70 GT6
71 spit ( work in process)
72 spit daily driver

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Nov 24 18:15:04 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:15:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <c9d.38fcf19c.365cab98@aol.com>

Firstly Welcome to the FOT,
 
We welcome newcomers...
 
The existing Roto's, when you sat dryrotted do you mean surface cracks or  
actual seperation?  If they're not breaking apart at the metal plates I'd  
encourage you to keep them which leads neatly to the second topic,
 
The repalcement Roto's now are pretty bad.  You get what you pay  for.  
Dependant upon your plans for the car, the cheapies may serve you  well for the 
amount of time you drive them.  If you love the car, do a lot  of miles on it or 
flog it regularly the high Dollar for proper Metalastik joints  could well be 
worth the expense.
 
Hope that helps...Steve
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Nov 25 04:59:30 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>

Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Nov 25 08:21:16 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:21:16 EST
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Engine Plate for TR Morgans-delete if no interest in
 this subject
Message-ID: <bdc.3a6d07ab.365d71ec@cs.com>

List,

The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us 
to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates. 

If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may 
only be one production run.

Thanks for the favor....

Joe Alexander

From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 25 09:45:47 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <20081125114547.NXNCN.457454.imail@fed1rmwml28>

You will love this race track, smooth, great corners, big paved pit area, great town and lots of places to live close by. 
---- Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote: 

=============
Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.
Fot mailing list
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Never be beaten by equipment

From GRMTim at aol.com  Tue Nov 25 10:00:28 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:00:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <cbf.2be26775.365d892c@aol.com>

I met with the organizers of this event and am interested in going from 
Florida. A big part of this will involve if the Group 44 GT6 gets accepted for 
Monterey (and holds together, if it does). I could then leave it out there for a 
few weeks.

By the way, picked up the painted GT6 shell from my painter yesterday. Frame 
is all powder coated   and assembly starts this weekend. Group 44 GT6 makes 
its first public debut at our booth at PRI show in Dec. Got this far in three 
months. Wife is not that thrilled with me right now.

And for those not wanting to go all the way to Oregon, remember our eastcoast 
semi-focus event at the Mitty May 1-3. 

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Nov 25 16:48:09 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Please send contact
Message-ID: <492C8EB9.9010706@cfl.rr.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth.

Glenn Effington (FUBUG) please email phone number and/or email.

thxx, Bob

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 10:29:51 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Have a good holiday you turkeys!

:)

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 12:13:08 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Gobble, gobble!
  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
southern climes someday.
  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
winter)
  Best wishes to everyone.
  Bill
  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
  >
  > :)
  >
  > Steve
  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 26 12:13:57 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:13:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <23442331.1227726837201.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm thankful to be a "Friend Of Turkey" (My Triumph has been called worse).
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: steve belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
>
>Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>
>:)
>
>Steve
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 12:30:22 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <A9021E6CC4174EDDAB5C60BCC9AC2CD8@Bud>

Happy Thanksgiving to all of FOT and theirs
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


>  Gobble, gobble!
>  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
> southern climes someday.
>  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
> winter)
>  Best wishes to everyone.
>  Bill
>  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
>  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
> 
> 
>  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>  >
>  > :)
>  >
>  > Steve
>  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From rsrpsmith at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:53:19 2008
From: rsrpsmith at gmail.com (robert smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:53:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
Message-ID: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha, all. Just a quick note to say happy holidays, let you guys know
that TS1 made it safe and sound to Hawaii, and ask for some race car
assistance. I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. This car was originally built as a mainland track car,
so changing the gear ratio is something I needed to do anyway in order
to get quicker starts off the line, and be able to climb to more gears
than just second during these SCCA autocross events on our track!
Thanks in advance for your reply, and a sincere "aloha" and happy
holidays to all from the islands. Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii

On 11/25/08, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
> List,
>
>  The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us
>  to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates.
>
>  If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may
>  only be one production run.
>
>  Thanks for the favor....
>
>  Joe Alexander
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 14:36:52 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
In-Reply-To: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>










...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. ...



 ==AM==
Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)

Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't be a problem, either.)


 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 26 15:38:23 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:38:23 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Request
Message-ID: <FFDF939DEFCE49D5A2CB8EB294E09E8A@Bevan>

Sorry to bomb list but I understand Russ More is a FoTer?
Russ, if you're reading this, could you please contact me off list, please?

John Macartney
In the UK

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 15:48:24 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED8EB8F71A024919B19E8B55BF6D6AF2@Bud>

Hi Gang...my friend, Dennis Ortenburger, has written a new book on auto 
racing in the 1960s..  Dennis has written several books, many specificaly on 
Lotus  To check out his new book at Xlibris.com go to 
www.theredleatherdrivinggloves.com
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Mace" <herald948 at aol.com>
To: <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving


> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
> ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
> track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
> pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
> set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
> either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
> two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
> existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
> track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
> range of 4:11. ...
>
>
>
> ==AM==
> Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an 
> early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most 
> Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing 
> applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), 
> so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 
> is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too 
> difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)
>
> Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and 
> pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. 
> And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, 
> which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the 
> more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later 
> differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle 
> shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes 
> on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't 
> be a problem, either.)
>
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph 
> Register
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database at its new URL:<http://triumph-herald.us>
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 13:49:11 2008
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:49:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fot crest
Message-ID: <5D5A3835-35E6-4FB0-A3F5-B61D4BA6E1FF@aol.com>

If anyone still has the fot.ai file that was sent out a while back,  
could you please send me a copy.
Thanks
dick ross

From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov 29 16:22:32 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:22:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] Stag and TR4/5 lost in propane fire
Message-ID: <20081129232323.PZXZ3946.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

 From another list...

>
>Seem his propane heater filled the basement with propane which ignited when he
>flipped an electric switch on.
>
>Video shows the Stag outdoors and what looks like a TR4-5 being 
>carried away on a tilt-bed.
>
>http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S680827.shtml?cat=300

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 20:56:25 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:56:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] Gearing Question
Message-ID: <bf1.4280bd37.366368e9@aol.com>

I am looking for some sage advice on what gearing to use in the  differential 
of # 69.  Currently running 3:7 with overdrive.  On long  straights in O/D I 
run out of pulling power and top out at about 4500  rpms.  I also seem to not 
be quite right on some of the turns trying to  decide between 2nd or 3rd.  I'm 
wondering what if anything would be gained  by going to a 4:1?  What do you 
all recommend?
 
Thanks, Gary
 
Ps...Currently also running a Quaife.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 30 07:03:21 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 corner weights
Message-ID: <BAY123-W172DDBCEC43F05B79C5CE9BA060@phx.gbl>

Anybody have the corner weights of a stock TR6 handy? While I am at it. Is
bump steer as big an issue on the TR6's as it is on other cars? I pulled the
tub off my TR4A to TR6 (aka TR250 wana be) yesterday and am pondering a bunch
of different directions. Should be an interesting winter.

Thanks,
Marty Sukey




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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 19:16:59 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:16:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN. 



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season. 



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC! 



Thanks and do I have a second? 



John James 

#116 

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:07 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryv
	ille.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081201023732.A0EE0187645@autox.team.net>

I'll second that one!

- Tony Drews

At 08:16 PM 11/30/2008, jcjcarrera at comcast.net wrote:
>Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. 
>Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific 
>Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and 
>Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN.
>
>
>
>Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance 
>Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage 
>racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but 
>from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently 
>bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally 
>purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is 
>working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season.
>
>
>
>One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the 
>Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!
>
>
>
>Thanks and do I have a second?
>
>
>
>John James
>
>#116
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:30 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIKEOOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I second Starke, welcome to the group.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of jcjcarrera at comcast.net
Sent: November 30, 2008 9:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership


Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke
has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held
numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional
group, SOVREN.



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc
and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've
lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's
perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my
old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe
Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it
ready for the 2009 season.



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage
Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!



Thanks and do I have a second?



John James

#116
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 13:15:59 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
Message-ID: <425461.68468.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here.  They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov  1 13:37:22 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 MK3 1972
Message-ID: <20081101193726.POPQ6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

I'm passing this note on to the list.  This guy contacted our Club 
about finding a buyer for his GT6.  Contact him directly if you are 
interested.  His email address is jamjet007 at sbcglobal.net. I added 
him to the .cc line on this note.

The car looks to be in nice shape based on the photos he emailed 
me.  Note: We have no financial interest.  Pass this note on to 
anyone else you think that might be interested.

 From his notes to me about the car...

"My name is John Ocampo, from Brookfield Illinois. I spoke to Mr.John 
Horton about selling a GT6. He said I should contact you because you 
may have better chance to help find a buyer for car.

Respectfully,
John Ocampo"

and

"I have receipts of repairs that I have made since buying the car in 
96'. The car has been garaged kept and has never been in an acident. 
The car is from Mountain View, CA. With original engine, Trans, and 
Gear box (including rear differential). The car milage is honestly 
unknown? I do now it is over 100K."


From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 15:51:26 2008
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <BLU127-W5448459576FDBDA1AA381C8CD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 
Has anyone on the FoT list tried the Kirkey 41301V seat in the TR-6?
 
This Kirkey part umber has a vinyl cover and what looks like padding in the
photographs, so I am hoping that it will not be too uncomfortable for the
occasional street drive.  What ever I put in to replace my tattered Corbeaus
will need to provide lots of lateral support, because my car is primarily used
for auto-X.
 
Jim Prettyleaf
 


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata Seat Conversion for Triumphs
To: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:42 PM

Greg Lund wrote:

> Corbeau Clubman seats fit easily and weigh about 18 lbs. Street
> seats have plenty of "road holding weight".

I tried fitting Corbeau Clubmans before going with the 914 seats.
I found that the shoulder "ears" (or whatever you call those
things that keep your upper body in place) fouled with the B post.
The only way around it was to move the seat inwards towards the
driveshaft tunnel (which increases the offset to the pedals) or
bending the "ear" to provide clearance.  I did not want to own
the seats, so I did not do the bendy-thing.

There is zero chance of fitting Corbeau Clubmans (I tried the
"narrow"
style - there is a larger version for those with larger posteriors)
in both driver and passenger locations, again because of interference
between the "ears".

Kirkey aluminum seats fit well, but are lousy for those 500-mile days.

Shane Ingate in NM


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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 16:11:39 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings Gone ....
Message-ID: <309866.68943.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dennis DeLap, was the first to respond, so I'll be sending them to him ... still dont know exactly which piston they fit, but I hope they'll do you some good Dennis...


Tom

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#4 white spitfire

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here. 
They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

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From billbab at mac.com  Sun Nov  2 00:13:56 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Piston to Wall clearance Now Vincent Black Shadow
In-Reply-To: <9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
References: <20282DD9-CF89-4E7F-9DF4-13734753FB2D@earthlink.net>
	<9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <A67F75B8-B7CB-4DE7-9969-64E457BB9C8D@mac.com>

I mis-spoke. I picked my Vincent up today from the guy who rebuilt it,  
and discovered he replaced the rings. the plan was to re-use them, but  
he decided against it. He re-used the pistons, but ditched the rings.  
It's been at other people's shops for way too long. I'm looking  
forward to finishing up the little nits that still need to be  
corrected and doing some riding on it. It's a great bike.

There's some shots on Peyote's and Nero's site: http://www.allaluminumtour.com/

On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> My old (1950) Vincent Black Shadow has uncounted miles on the  
> pistons and rings, mostly with a pretty marginal air cleaner. It got  
> a complete teardown recently because the bottom end was noisy. But  
> other than refurbing guides, grinding valves and replacing the  
> bottom end bearings, pretty much everything went back in for another  
> 58 year round. The rings were worn a little, especially near the  
> gap, but they were sealing perfectly and had perfect tension. No  
> sign of blowby on the piston skirts, no overheating of the rings. I  
> could have replaced them for not much money, but chose not to. Not  
> because of the cost (trivial, compared to the labor--tearing down a  
> vincent is a MAJOR piece of work) but because they were working  
> well. In my experience you have more problems getting sliding parts  
> to bed properly than any wear issue. And while they are bedding, hot  
> gasses are blowing down the piston wall, overheating the rings and  
> annealing them.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 09:26:41 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com>
	<3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com>
	<BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl>
	<002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>
	<FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>

I decided to go with  1 1/2" SU's for my Spit 1300 over Weber side 
drafts, but I'm having some issues with them.
The SU's are from an MGB and I rebuilt them with new jet assemblies, new 
gaskets and set the floats to a level position.
Per Joe Curto's advice I'm using early spitfire float assemblies to put 
them in a level position compared to the MGB.
The intake manifold is the British version made for 1 1/2" carbs. I'm 
running a race cam purchased from Ted at TSI and a Stahl header.

The problems I'm having are:

    * The front carb (last one in line to get fuel) starts to leak gas
      from the main jet when the engine is shut down. I'm assuming the
      float needle valve is not holding against fuel pressure.
          o The pump is a holley red electric and pressure is reduced to
            _3 1/2-4 psi_ at the pressure regulator. _Is that too much
            pressure for an SU?_
    * Another problem is resistance in the vacuum pistons from dropping
      completely. No matter how much I polish up the piston and bore It
      hangs up about 1/4' from the lowest positon. It does drop when I
      stroke the dashpot. This makes it hard to sych the carbs.
    * I'm running a bit on the rich side since the carbs were tuned for
      a 1.8L B engine but thought I could lean it out with the needle
      adjustments.
    * What viscosity is generally used in the dashpot? I used some
      10w30w oil I had around.
    * Is their any _online_ tuning guide for SU carbs out there?

Any advice would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer running, working out the problems


Bill Babcock wrote:
> I agree, SU's are really pretty carbs, especially when they are  
> polished. I"m building a street TR3 and it will absolutely have SUs,  
> though in most other respects it will be Peyote in TR3 clothing.
> On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Steven Preiss wrote:
>
>   
>> I just like the look of the SUs in there. And the cork gaskets that  
>> don't
>> leak if renewed periodically, and the thumb sized jet nuts you can  
>> turn half
>> a flat with your hand to adapt to seasonal or elevation changes. And  
>> those
>> big aluminum dashpots with their own dipsticks! (Nobody would ever  
>> mistake
>> those for EFI!)
>> This, along with the rest of the package helps me keep in touch with  
>> my
>> agrarian roots, and makes me feel very happy.
>> STeve P.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carbs
>>
>>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Nov  2 09:54:59 2008
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS6F966B18B03C4069ED277C3220@phx.gbl>

Get that fuel pressure down to 2psi.  The Holley Red is overkill on a 1300 cc
engine.

You need to centralize the jets, that is why the piston is sticking.

Back off the jet holder nut (not the adjusting nut) till the piston falls
freely, then retighten.  Check it again, repeat as necessary till the pistons
have totally free movement.

No way to adjust the mixture accurately untill the pistons work properly.

Terry Stetler


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 12:03:06 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
Message-ID: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>

Wow !!
Thanks for the fast response

I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that both 
had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without 
interference.

Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.

Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
backing off the adjusting stud.

Thanks Glenn Franco
72 spit race car finding one problem after another.


From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov  2 12:34:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <108CD067-51DD-4FDA-AFE5-FBACB451B84F@bnj.com>

I'd recommend a good fuel pressure regulator.

On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Glenn Franco wrote:

> Wow !!
> Thanks for the fast response
>
> I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that  
> both had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
> Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without  
> interference.
>
> Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut  
> down.
>
> Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it  
> by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
> Thanks Glenn Franco
> 72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 12:55:48 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:55:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>

You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock 
style needle valves can handle more pressure.

- Tony

At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>
>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it 
>by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
>Thanks Glenn Franco
>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 13:08:07 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:08:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>

That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 13:29:22 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:29:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
Message-ID: <d2c.3e884d6a.363f67a2@aol.com>

I just tossed a pair of Grose jets out of the Jag cuz one would often fail  
to seal.  Problem since they were new that I don't have anymore.  I  think I 
literally tossed them I was so disgusted;-))
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:08:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

That's  something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate  sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message -----  
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco"  <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:  Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now  SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and  not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball  bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more  pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn  Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air  horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at  4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting  stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car  finding one problem after another.
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 13:36:46 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
Message-ID: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>

Thanks All
I reduced fuel pump pressure to something less than 3 1/2 psi and the 
leaking stopped. The float needle valves are stock not grose jets.
The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. What 
fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range of ~ 
3 1/2 to 6 psi.

Removed, polished (very little)the main needles and the vacuum pistons 
now drop freely.

Thanks all for the help

Glenn Franco
72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.

RACER BUD wrote:
> That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
> alleviate sticking
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
> Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 15:05:28 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:05:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud> <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102220545.52E0D187880@autox.team.net>

The reliable combination that Uncle Jack and I arrived at after much 
experimentation was a Holley Blue pump with an appropriate Holley 
regulator.  You can get a kit with the pump and regulator.  There are 
two pressure ranges for the regulator - you want the one that allows 
you to set it to 2-3 psi.  The problem that most regulators have is 
that there's not enough pressure differential between the input and 
the output to reliable actuate the internal mechanism.  The Holley 
Blue puts out about 15 psi, so the regulator has something to work 
with.  Several folks have solved high rpm fuel problems by switching 
to this arrangement.  One switched from the Holley Red to the Holley 
Blue and his high speed issues went away.

We were able to get away with 5 psi on 1 3/4" SU's, but not with 
Grose jets.  My Webers leak fuel at anything over about 2.5 psi.

This isn't in response to a problem you're currently having, but it's 
good to keep in mind if you're going to replace components.

- Tony Drews

At 02:36 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. 
>What fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
>regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range 
>of ~ 3 1/2 to 6 psi.
>
>Thanks all for the help
>
>Glenn Franco
>72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  2 16:22:54 2008
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:22:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001d01c93d41$ef70de90$e16b8247@yourf78bf48ce2>

Clear Day
I would like to remove my name from the FOT list due to overwhelming number of
emails, as interesting as it it, I just don't have the time to keep up.

Please remove janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net

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From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 19:41:03 2008
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:41:03 EST
Subject: [Fot] Please Remove
Message-ID: <d01.42295e59.363fbebf@aol.com>

I as well, would like to be removed from the Fot Mailing list. 
The forum is a wonderful place for information, but the overwhelming amount 
I guess what I consider repetitive or redundant information has become to  
much.
 
  Please do not take this for anything more then what it is, this is a  
wonderful group of men and women sharing idea's and help. but I no longer have a  
British car so much of the info is falling on deaf ears 
   Thanks again see you all at the track 
 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 06:53:00 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 5:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 exhaust
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1225306802.22450.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081103085300.D8Y5H.797890.root@mp12>

Rimmer Brothers in England does a nice stainless steel system...

rimmerbros.com

Bobby


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  3 09:23:13 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:23:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when 
some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or 
less a "drop in".

I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want 
to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the 
street just for the addition cushioning.

If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the 
end of the day.

rml
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 09:34:46 2008
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0BE9377C33BE-C48-683@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com>

Have to agree with Robert on this.? Nice seat for racing but for street?? I wouldn't.? There is a big difference in running a 15 or 20 minute race and a day long trip somewhere.

Cheers,

Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Jim Prettyleaf <jprettyleaf at yahoo.com>
Cc: Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com>; Friends at autox.team.net; of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6


Hi,?
?
I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or less a "drop in".?
?
I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the street just for the addition cushioning.?
?
If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the end of the day.?
?
rml?
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:07:09 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
Message-ID: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Warning OT- Old Brit Bike memories


> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 14:06:51 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
In-Reply-To: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
References: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BB840A88AA4C48F5A101D1A892A6617B@richardiipc>

Bob,

My motorcycle encyclopedia notes the Rapide as having 45 hp; the Black
Shadow w/ 55. In sanctioned competition this is significant. However in the
car-versus-motorcycle street racing event, I would suspect that skill, dumb
luck and the youthful dismissive concept of mortality are much bigger
determinants than hp. 

> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 18:49:48 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:49:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



Gary


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:36:08 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAE1EKvG+ln9Jn06EW5CjdZcBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I run 22mm at front and 17mm at rear. My springs are stock items. I lowered
the front as you did and the rear with fitting shims between spring and
axle. I don't set the car too flat cornering, I like it waving around and
the lean over. Good at wet races too.

Chris

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2008 02:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] sway bars

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



Gary
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:15:49 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:15:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
> has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
> leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
> negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
> cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
> minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

What are your corner weights?

That makes a difference in the size of the bars - how much weight are you 
transferring?

As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I use a 
7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

> Gary

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 08:42:24 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:42:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>

> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I 
> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
for a TR4.

Randall


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:51:00 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering).

> Randall

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:08:00 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:08:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0CAEA4D29C02-F80-760@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
links, are factors to consider as well.
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a 
difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would 
attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) 
making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the 
same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars 
run
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway
engineering).

> Randall

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:11:19 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11:19 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
> links, are factors to consider as well.
> 

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were MUCH 
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

Bill Dentinger



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From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 09:22:52 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:22:52 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <B7C35F90-CC90-48F5-97CF-EAA6EDB6A86E@bnj.com>

Now that I've lost my skid pad (industrial park was sold) I'm going to  
have to pay a lot more attention to suspension modeling. A sway bar is  
such an important element of handling. In the past I've fiddled with  
the adjustment a lot and it's easy to see on a skid pad how much it  
affects understeer and oversteer. I never cared about how much the  
nose or tailed rolled, I just care how fast I can go around that  
circle. You can transition from understeer to neutral to oversteer  
with just a little sway bar adjustment. I don't know how a bar could  
just be bolted on and work right.

Bill Babcock
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:38:34 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"

...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!

Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & 
end
> links, are factors to consider as well.
>

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
MUCH
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 09:57:18 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>

Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as 
you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering 
axle splines, bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting 
bite on the rear suspension is generally  making it softer not harder which 
a rear bar will do.  There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear 
bar mod and been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get 
it right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar 
adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various courses.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> "happier when they removed their rear sway bars"
>
> ...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!
>
> Glen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
> In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
> fubog1 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &
> end
>> links, are factors to consider as well.
>>
>
> We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
> MUCH
> happier when they removed their rear sway bars.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Nov  4 10:07:18 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> 
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W3276ECD35BA97B812D1CABB21C0@phx.gbl>

On a few of the cars I build, I like to use sprint car torsion bars as sway
bars. The mounts and arms stay the same and there a lots of bar diameters
available in solid and gun drilled.
> From: kaskas at cox.net> To: BillDentin at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu;
tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fubog1 at aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800> CC:
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > Stiffening the rear
suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as > you have no
provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering > axle splines,
bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting > bite on the
rear suspension is generally making it softer not harder which > a rear bar
will do. There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear > bar mod and
been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get > it right.
Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar > adjustable
can give a few more options in handling for various courses.> ----- Original
Message ----- > From: <fubog1 at aol.com>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>;
<lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>> Sent:
Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > > >
"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"> >> > ...yes Bill I know
several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!> >> > Glen> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: BillDentin at aol.com> > To: Fubog1 at aol.com;
lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue,
4 Nov 2008 11:11 am> > Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> >> > In a message dated
11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,> > fubog1 at aol.com writes:> >> >>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &> > end>
>> links, are factors to consider as well.> >>> >> > We also might mention
that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were > > MUCH> > happier when
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 10:31:11 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sway Bars
Message-ID: <001001c93ea3$21def120$659cd360$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks guys for all the suggestions on sway bars, etc.  I now have a list of
things to check and consider but I suppose that what winter projects are all
about.

 

Gary

 

1962 TR4


From Malaboge at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 10:49:35 2008
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:49:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <cbc.305597e7.3641e52f@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/08 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

Gary-

As I recall you have a sway bar with a fairly long lever arm...at least 8" or
so. The lever arm length effects the roll rate as well as the diameter, so
comparing diameters will not always tell the complete story. The way the bar
is
mounted and fastened to the suspension also has a big influence on the rate.
A solid mount on a .8" bar is approximately the same as a rubber mount on a 1"
bar.  Solid mounts (Heim joints or the like) at the suspension end mounts of
the bar realize a similar rate effect.  The width of a bar has a smaller
effect on the rate, but be aware that the narrower bar of similar sizes will
have a
higher rate.  (Also a narrow bar with short lever arms will weigh less).
Finally the placement of the attachment of the bar to the suspension arm has a
big effect, not on the bar itself, but rather what forces are received to the
chassis of the vehicle.  The closer you can connect the bar to the trunion,
the
larger the lever arm through which the bar has an effect and restricts
movement.

Without going into the spring rates which obviously have no effect on sway
bar rates, but complement the size of the sway bar required, what bar rates
are
the best?
Start with the narrowest bar that you can fit.
Use all solid type mounts.
Attach it as close to the wheel as possible.
Use the shortest lever arm as possible.

Remember that the stiffness of a bar (all else remaining the same) increases
with the diameter to the fourth power.  That is a 1" bar is 16 times as stiff
as a .5" bar.  The lever arm effect is less but more direct, a 6" lever is
twice as stiff as a 12" lever arm.

So how does that relate to your TR4?

Well the bar realistically cannot be hung under the frame rails as it would
be too low and be removed at the first bump.  Mounting the bar on the top of
the frame rails could be done, but there are just too many parts in the way.
Fortunately the front of your frame is just about right.  A bar mounted at the
front will have lever arms of approximately 5 "to 6".  Make an aluminum plate
similar to the factory radiator shield between the two frame rails, but
position it forward just enough to allow solid mounts to be bolted to it. (The
factory steel piece is too close to the radiator).  Curve the lever arms (for
tire
clearance when turning) so that they roughly follow the lower a-arm and attach
them at the outermost bolt that mounts the spring pan to the a-arm.  (A
sliding mount here will make a nice adjustable bar as well).  Use 6150 steel
(or
4130) and heat treat it when in final form.  Its been a while since I made any
bars, but I recall that you want to have about a 62 on the C scale Rockwell
hardness on them.

You state that the car may have stock springs in it.  If so, these really are
too light, but if you continue with them I would suggest about a 15/16" to 1"
bar.  If you have the old left hand wound factory springs which were about
310 lbs/inch rate, probably about 15/16".  Stiffer springs up to about 500
lbs/inch I would suggest about 7/8" bar.  There are PERSONAL OPINIONS here and
in
no way will be correct for many setups, but seem to be in the ballpark for
me!

You didn't mention a rear bar and so I will not open that "bag-o-worms".

Never one to "Sway" anyone's beliefsb&
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Tue Nov  4 15:19:14 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:19:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering)

rml

Those are what I run on my TR6 SCCA car but I use 9" slicks. I can adjust
them by shortening or lengthening the lever arm or going to a thicker or
thinner wall center tube. I adjusted the bars a lot in the beginning but
haven't changed them in the last ten years or so. I have tried to disconnect
the rear bar per some peoples suggestions but found that the car would not
turn in like I like it to. I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
from solid axle cars.

Mike Munson
#28 EP TR6
Corvette City, Ky.


From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 16:21:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:17 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
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I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  
was setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  
the car stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  
little damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  
rear springs but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  
would understeer while the back end stepped out as if it was  
oversteering. I went as soft as I dared with the rear spring, you can  
hit the stops by standing in the seat and bouncing. Works great.
On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate  
> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  
> you can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  
> is a chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  
> generally  making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   
> There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  
> been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  
> right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  
> bar adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  
> courses.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Nov  4 19:29:26 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] High Speed Idle Update
Message-ID: <0829C3AD-63B0-4026-B7F5-F5EB28657FCC@gt6.ca>

So, I took the advice from the group and made more gaskets for my carbs.

The leak was between the intake manifold and the TT adaptor plate for  
my HS6's.

Seen here, http://www.gt6.ca/08/0405/slides/DSCN3425.html

I could see old fuel stains. I removed the carbs, then the TT plates,  
cleaned everything up and set about making some new gaskets.

I used my ported intake as it was handy on my bench.

Once the new ones were fabbed up, I check my clearances with the  
fitted carbs and TT plates.

This time I also used some locktite to secure everything.

Question, I used a thin cork for this new gasket, when I finally fit  
the new intake and a heat shield, should make yet another set of  
gaskets between the plate and shield. Should I use a thinner material?

Oh the results. She started right up, almost no choke and idled at 1K  
very nicely. Before that there was lots of choke, she was surging up  
and down and if you blipped the gas she'd die. Oh and nothing below  
1500 would last long.

I will re-check the carbs and do another balance job for good measure.

Thanks.

A.

--
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov  4 19:30:47 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:30:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
	<E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20081105023056.361331878ED@autox.team.net>

Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid 
rear axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not 
so great for 100 MPH sweepers.

- Tony Drews

At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>from solid axle cars.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 20:25:39 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
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FWIW I am running quite successfully with the GoodParts TR6 swaybars, front 
and rear, on my TR4A. I know that I have some tuning to do as I am lifting 
the inside front wheels off the ground on occasion.

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid rear 
> axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not so great 
> for 100 MPH sweepers.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>>from solid axle cars.
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Wed Nov  5 01:16:25 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:25 -0000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
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Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
said on testing and getting it right.

Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but the 
side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very bouncy at 
the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on smooth 
tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont seem able 
to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe its time to 
try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg of sand in the 
boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and coating the 
leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.

If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure rate 
is way too high to live with at the moment.

Best regards

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little damping 
>control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs but it 
>made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer while 
>the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft as I 
>dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the seat 
>and bouncing. Works great.
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>
>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally  making 
>> it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a couple of 
>> fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very successful, but 
>> it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. Dearching the rear 
>> springs is a start, then having the rear  bar adjustable can give a few 
>> more options in handling for various  courses.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 17:00:23 2008
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:00:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC><87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
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Tony,
To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's method - 
TUNE TO WIN page 157.
Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly clamping 
them together.  I did and it works.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
> said on testing and getting it right.
>
> Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but 
> the side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very 
> bouncy at the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on 
> smooth tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont 
> seem able to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe 
> its time to try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg 
> of sand in the boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and 
> coating the leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.
>
> If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
> currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
> bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure 
> rate is way too high to live with at the moment.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
> To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
>
>>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little 
>>damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs 
>>but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer 
>>while the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft 
>>as I dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the 
>>seat and bouncing. Works great.
>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>>
>>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally 
>>> making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a 
>>> couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very 
>>> successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. 
>>> Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  bar 
>>> adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  courses.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From billbab at mac.com  Wed Nov  5 22:34:45 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
	<87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
	<0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>
	<001101c93fa2$ab698180$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <79BD2CCD-2164-4EF1-A2BE-D6E1CBE65547@mac.com>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Interesting idea, I can certainly see how that would make the spring  
> less likely to tramp or roll up. Same idea as one piece composite  
> springs.
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>> To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's  
>> method - TUNE TO WIN page 157.
>> Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly  
>> clamping them together.  I did and it works.
>> Bruce
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
>> To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
>> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 15:14:29 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 A-Arms
Message-ID: <001501c9405d$0a5e7af0$1f1b70d0$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

Anyone have a set of upper A-Arms (left and right side) for a TR4 they could
part with.  Contact me off list.  Thanks.

 

Gary 

 

1962 TR4


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  6 17:22:10 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Very good historic car site
Message-ID: <570286.40400.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: the members of another list I belong to turned me on to this site. http://tamsoldracecarsite.net/
Some great shots of historic cars. Sorry, no Triumphs, but I thought you all might enjoy it. 
- Ed -


From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Nov  7 05:09:09 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DA8@server.Triumph.local>

I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from
LA Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
scored liner. I called Ken, he is out of stock.

I have several used ones that went several seasons, but was hoping
someone has a new one they would be willing to sell me. Or if you have a
set you don't want to break up, I guess I would take that as well.

I am planning on getting the engine back together to run Roebling Road
with VDCA next month, so I can't wait for Ken to restock.

Ken is well stocked with 89's, but no 87's at the moment.

Thanks gang!

Henry Frye


From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov  7 09:57:08 2008
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Do we have a member in Dallas / Ft Worth?
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330811070857k79fec09cs4076bf6169e379b8@mail.gmail.com>

I may need some help from a fellow FOT with regard to a soft top I purchased
on ebay that is suddenly (after purchase) being described as coming with the
frame (which I very much do not need). The vendor is not willing to only
send the soft top and is trying to hit me for $150 to ship the whole mess...


From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri Nov  7 10:52:31 2008
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:52:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VDCA Roebling Road Season Finale
Message-ID: <bf7.4a3c4956.3645da5f@aol.com>

Yes, the Triumph ghetto will be erected on last time in 2008. We will be at  
the VDCA Season Finale at Roebling Road December 12-14. Everyone knows the  
fastest way to a racer's heart is through their stomach and this event is no  
slouch. Saturday's Pig Picken' and Oyster Roast are unparalleled. The TR gang  
will also host our famous invitation-only party Friday night featuring  Rob 
Deanes' famous fish fry, in addition to our land-lubber fare.
 
Oh, if racing is your real motivation, then you should know that the track  
time at this event is second to none. The track, repaved a year or so ago,  
provides exciting sweepers that keep the adrenaline pumping. All for a $250  
entry fee.
 
So, change the oil, pump up the tires and smell the aroma of 110 octane one  
last time in '08. Come down to Roebling in December! 
 
Entry form _http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf_ 
(http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf) 
 
Don Marshall
Dean Tetterton
Leo Oddi
 
 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Fri Nov  7 20:35:55 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] member in Dallas Fort Worth
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1226084401.5553.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081107223555.J75W1.23410.root@mp20>

I'm in Weatherford Texas, west of Fort Worth about 30 miles...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net

1970 GT6 CVAR #54 Yellow


From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Nov  8 04:49:54 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Nov  8 09:07:41 2008
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>

I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not #4. 
I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember 
correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm.  
I use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler 
gauge in next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure 
the piston skirt was not collapsed?
Larry

Henry Frye wrote:
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Nov  8 09:21:16 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:21:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W18B6AFAC533E49CD5704C4B2180@phx.gbl>

Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov  8 09:24:52 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

WhaT clearance value we are talking about?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Henry Frye
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 13:13:21 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:13:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Elmer Peters TR4 race car
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Message-ID: <20081108201321.Q6D0W.40568.root@hrndva-web27-z01>

Anyone ever heard of Elmre Peters? I just picked up his old TR4 race car in Dayton Ohio with a bunch of spares. All they could tell me was that they thought he moved to Ohio with the car from California. It's a maroon TR4 with full cage, and since it is on slicks it must have been driven in SCCA events. I Googled him but got no hits.

Bob Kramer, Austin TX 


From spreiss at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 22:40:45 2008
From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:40:45 +1100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94164$8c8dad40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>

Perhaps it would be worth it to mic each piston and sleeve to check for
variations, which may account for the irrational occurance of the problem
among cylinders. An .0005" larger diameter piston and a .0005" narrower bore
from honing
at the critical location could make the difference under extreme heat. Also
buildup on the inside of the water jacket. Also
the type of piston being used. (Long or short skirt. Forged or cast), etc,
etc.
steve P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed


> WhaT clearance value we are talking about?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Henry Frye
> Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
> machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves
in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but
no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
> when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest
to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across
the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:17:15 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081917u4379450v2cab628bf7dfdfee@mail.gmail.com>

Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new piece of
kit from work and went for a drive.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
A.

-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 20:24:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:24:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>

FOT,

I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our production methods at John Deere.

It controls the shape at the skirt.

Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.

The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.

The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE IT.

The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.

Joe Alexander

    

>Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
>The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
>since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
>henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
>#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
>> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
>use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
>next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
>skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
>Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
>offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
>that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
>up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
>the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
>area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
>running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
>kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
>pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
>to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
>-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:38:05 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:05 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AE8D574B-A835-4DF7-8605-6B2A6B910A99@bnj.com>

I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
the shape under clamping pressure.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,
>
> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
> production methods at John Deere.
>
> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>
> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>
> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>
> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
> IT.
>
> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>> torque plate !
>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>> had a problem
>> since >


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:40:53 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:45:54 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BB2A7927F04BF4A170A8A819916C7B@Bud>

Can't trust anyone anymore!
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andre Rousseau
  To: RACER BUD ; Friends of Triumph
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
incentive info requested


  Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)


  A.


  2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

    Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
    thanks
    Racer Bud..spitfire #21
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: RACER BUD
    To: fot-request at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
    Subject: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological incentive
info requested


    Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my racer...then
again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken place..Will the
tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
    Thanks
    Racer Bud.



  --
  Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  Ottawa, ON, Canada


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 20:48:24 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:48:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>

Bud,
When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting the
thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
engaged the clutch.  

I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.

So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
psychological incentive info requested

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



-- 
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sat Nov  8 20:49:37 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:49:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Andre,
It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
forgotten how much I miss it. 
Thank you for sharing.
Bill
70 GT-6+
  
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new 
> piece of
> kit from work and went for a drive.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> A.
> 
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> _______________________________________________
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:51:49 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell housing
bolts.
http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html

A.

2008/11/8 Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

> Bud,
> When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
> engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting
> the
> thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
> between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
> engaged the clutch.
>
> I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
> source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
> the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.
>
> So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
> To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
> psychological incentive info requested
>
> Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
> with my restore ;)
> A.
>
> 2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
>
> >  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> > thanks
> > Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> > *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> > *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> > incentive info requested
> >
> > Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> > month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> > racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> > place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> > Thanks
> > Racer Bud.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
>


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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:53:37 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:53:37 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
	<4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F8888D-D22F-43BB-85EA-6F8651337BC8@bnj.com>

Allen screws and a small air wrench.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell  
> housing
> bolts.
> http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html
>
> A.


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:55:51 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081955q6b56bfacx77fa7aa8f4a85fa0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bill.

I just wish the audio was better, I will have to use a wind sock on the mic
next time.
Lost the sweet sounding 6.

Go figure eh, the car is running its best at the end of the season.

Oh well.

A.

2008/11/8 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>

> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> > Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
> > piece of
> > kit from work and went for a drive.
> >
> > http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> > A.
> >
> > --
> > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> > Ottawa, ON, Canada
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> >
> >
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:56:57 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>

That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>> piece of
>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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>>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 21:01:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>>> had a problem
>>> since >


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 21:11:35 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:11:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
Message-ID: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>

I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't 
miss it at all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> Andre,
>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>> Thank you for sharing.
>> Bill
>> 70 GT-6+
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>> piece of
>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>
>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:14:10 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:14:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <3A3039D9-8939-4BDA-9C28-3A36379A2F71@bnj.com>

I miss it, but I try to do it from a safe distance. Maui is a good  
place to miss snow.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and  
> I don't miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com 
>> >
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 21:16:56 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811082016p55731638y1807371fb70bcee0@mail.gmail.com>

True snow country eh...
http://www.justdrive.ca/snow/March2008/slides/DSCN3268b.html

2008/11/8 Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't
> miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>  That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <
>> wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>>
>>
>>  Andre,
>>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>>> Thank you for sharing.
>>> Bill
>>> 70 GT-6+
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>>> piece of
>>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>>
>>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>>
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>>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN9XHVaRIEek37qLrnbpixYADsdbeZUMa2Z617GUQhUbnc/
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>>
>
>


-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:17:04 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:17:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E6B6754C-A8C6-4695-973D-88CC330E1C85@bnj.com>

That would be a great question to ask guys with sophisticated toys. I  
used to get to talk with the guys at Roush every now and then, and ask  
them question like that, but with the Vincent project pretty much  
dead, that access is gone I fear.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:01 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the  
> torque plate or head is applied.
>
> perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.
>
> perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.
>
> only conjecture on part. no data.
>
> joe


From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 06:11:30 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1083D104F674-528-168D@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com>

FWIW I've never been able to get true repeatability with stock liners. 
I suspect that the larger the bore size (89mm+) exacerbates the problem 
since there is less material to support the clamping load.
I've had the best results using Ken Gs LA sleeves, requiring only 
finish honing.
YMMV
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the 
torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE 

>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and 

>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help 
coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never
>>> had a problem
>>> since >
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 18:14:43 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:14:43 EST
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
Message-ID: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>

As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor 
thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old ones for 
spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec is. 
Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun Nov  9 18:49:57 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-- Magazine article about Kas in Sept. Hemmings Sports &
 Exotic Cars
Message-ID: <001e01c942d6$a3a4f060$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

Hi Kas,
I was trying to get up-to-date on past auto magazines and I ran on to the
great article about you in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Cars, September edition.
It was most interesting to me that you we from Batavia, NY. This past summer
while at a One-Lap event at Mid-Ohio, I spent a good bit of time reminiscing
with Brock Yates and I was surprised that he was from Batavia, me being a
neighbor from Bradford, which is just 16 miles from Olean. Yes, we do know
what snow country is all about.  I don't miss it either.  Northwest Ohio is
not Calif. but it is a vast improvement over the snow belt of western New York
and northwest Penna.

A neighbor of ours here in Ohio is from Lockport and her son-in-law is from
Batavia.

Congratulations on the fine article in Hemmings.  It is certainly very much
deserved.
Bob Johns


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 20:05:00 2008
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
References: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A97D94D172E4D889786DB048DAE5CE9@vefadvisors.com>

my shop manual says the minimum thickness for the disc is 0.460, though I 
have run them below that with no warpage at the track.
I don't see a spec for the drum max. ID
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GRMTim at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors


> As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor
> thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old 
> ones for
> spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec 
> is.
> Thanks.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 00:03:13 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:03:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <d25.3c2c7489.364936b1@aol.com>

Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
 
The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
you race......
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
To: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9 at cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque 
plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 


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From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 10:46:24 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] need a TR6 gas tank
Message-ID: <c54.3b4c6fd3.3649cd70@aol.com>

Just pulled the gas tank out of our 1969 TR6. There are way more rust holes 
than I would like and I hate to weld gas tanks. Does any one have an extra one?

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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 13:26:29 2008
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


M.N.Dunst

Gasket Works USA, LLC

gmt-8 Pacific time

626.358.1616 voice

626.628.3777 fax


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov 10 13:28:58 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:28:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811101528110.15583@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Gasket Works USA wrote:

> Not to be conflicting with my interest....

Mes non!

> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

SECOND.

> Mordy

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 10 13:31:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIMEDOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 13:42:16 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:42:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <625621115-1226349815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1030504228-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

As a second gen TR racer, I'll third.

Steve Belfer
------Original Message------
From: Paul MacDonald
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Gasket Works USA
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Nov 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination..

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:23 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <73C282E8D338459FB57A64CA2DA5CF52@newcomputer>

Mordy,
I would think that he is "Grandfathered in"!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:43 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
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Delighted to second the nomination of Aaron, neat young man,. ----- Original 
Message ----- 
From: "Gasket Works USA" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


> Not to be conflicting with my interest....
>
> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)
>
> Mordy
>
>
> M.N.Dunst
>
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
>
> gmt-8 Pacific time
>
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>
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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 14:22:26 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
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References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at verizon.net>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

==AM==
Having had the honor not only of meeting you and Mike, but also to have 
had Mike actually drive my car in an autocross back in '89, I also 
happily second / third / whatever Aaron's nomination!

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

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Triumph Register <http://www.vtr.org>

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Mon Nov 10 20:10:36 2008
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 10 20:21:36 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:21:36 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in  
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear  
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the  
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main  
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new  
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it  
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go  
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 10 20:55:52 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:55:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <26E705C2.18292984.00159EE9@cs.com>

Seems brilliant to me....

of course, few people know you employ an in-house engineering staff of one. You know, the one with prominent whiskers. Wise well beyond his nine lives.

Joe A 

> 
>Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
>Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
>was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
>installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
>that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
> 
>The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
>you race......
> 
>Hardy
> 
>In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Nov 10 21:07:13 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:07:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
Message-ID: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera
 
Ed Barnard

 
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

      -- Thomas Jefferson
 
 
 


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 21:48:00 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:48:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <005a01c943b8$adf29710$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Geeze Kas, what's not to miss?
   Three foot dumps any time between late Oct and early Apr?
  The need to use an air chisel or blow torch to get the ice off the
windshield?
  The natural gas meters spinning at dizzying rates?
  The need for a wardrobe that would keep an Eskimo warm?
  Needing snow tires AND regular ones? (And no, all seasons are not just as
good as studded snow beaters!)
  Minimal daylight hours? (Think SAD)
  The maintenance on the plow or snow blower?(You could get a snowmobile for
fun, but if you think your race car takes a lot of TLC,.......)
  Strains, pains, and heart attacks from shoveling snow?
  Getting frostbite from just going to the mailbox?

  Oh well, one of these days I may head south for the winter. Just can't
find a way to drag my 100 acres of land with me.
  Stay warm.
  Happy Veteran's day to all that served. Rememberance Day for our Canadian
friends.
  Bill Tobin  Erie, PA   (Only 5 inches snowfall today!)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
  To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G
Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


  > I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I
don't
  > miss it at all.
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
  > To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  >
  >
  > > That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
  > > Racer Bud
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > > To: <andre at gt6.ca>
  > > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  > >
  > >
  > >> Andre,
  > >> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet.
I'd
  > >> forgotten how much I miss it.
  > >> Thank you for sharing.
  > >> Bill
  > >> 70 GT-6+
  > >>
  > >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
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  > >>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:14:30 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAIeRZyodfo9PpLNBpDeYUm4BAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

You can do if you have an light weight flywheel. With the stock flywheel you
only get the bearing cap out if you have removed the outer edges of the
sealing ring.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. November 2008 04:22
An: J.C. Hassall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Nov 11 06:05:52 2008
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:05:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Veterans
Message-ID: <f816c7776b3d.49198330@optonline.net>

Just wanted to say Thank you for your service.


Todd Redmond


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 06:20:37 2008
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Tue Nov 11 07:07:32 2008
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:07:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Brake residual pressure valves
Message-ID: <COEHIGDHIJHOCPAJBPBIIELHDEAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I good friend, whose design abilities I respect, suggested that I add brake
pressure residual valves to my new brake system and even went to far as to
send me two (2 psi for the front disks and 10 psi for the rear drums.)

As I understand it, these retain a small amount of pressure on the brakes,
preventing the pads/shoe from fully disengaging.  While it makes sense that
these would then re-engage more quickly (less travel), it would seem that
this would also increase the wear on those parts and create unnecessary
drag.

Is anyone willing to comment on the positive aspects of installing these on
my street TR3?

Thanks

Ken Gano


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:23:41 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:23:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>

Group,

I was "in" '55 to '58, US Army, 101st Airborne, 82nd Airborne Jump School
and 11th Airborne Infantry (the Flying Red Assholes) in Germany for two
years.

My highest rank held, Sergeant; discharged Corporal. 

I trust that all Vets feel as I do. I saluted my flag with honor while in
uniform and it is with pride that I can now salute it again. I also salute
our outgoing President and our incoming one with equal respect. Maybe
uncompromised loyalty is part of that ingrained military mindset, but a lot
of us still have it and there seems to be no known cure. 

Thanks to all of you who served and thanks equally to all of you who love
our Country with our same level of passion. 

Richard Taylor


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ernest Husmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:21 AM
To: FOT; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT veterans

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:27:13 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:27:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <384611FCC820458D871A753127616489@richardiipc>

Salute the flag info:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123064483


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 08:58:28 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>

Amici...

The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently 
completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful 
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the 
editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.  The article 
reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what 
was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership 
(somethinorother Junction).  It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid.  At the time, I 
was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had seven places 
for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have.  I always wondered what 
happened to it.  According to the article it has been moving around, including 
some time in a private collection in Switzerland.  Neat looking car, with 
exotic body work.

Another article in the same issue that caught my eye was about a late 1950s 
Standard Atlas caravan entitled the Little Blue Bus.  We'd call it a mini-Van.  
Its blue and white Triumph shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, 
and is stretched to at least twice its normal width, with no added height.  This 
supposedly befitting the Atlas' ample nose bonnet.  It appears to have a 
speedometer and no other gauges.  Looks like it would seat nine people, but I 
don't know if they'd get to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, 
which means a 948cc engine.  Wow.  Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a 
1700cc Ensign engine.

Bill Dentinger
        


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From Herald948 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 09:25:38 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:25:38 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>

Bill and others:
 
The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,  
along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More  
information at
 
_http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_ 
(http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp) 
 
Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
 
And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North  
America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van currently  
residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web 
site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well as  
publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit Triumph 
 distributors in the early 1960s.
 
Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of  
highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa proving  
run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!  

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:31:41 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:31:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
Message-ID: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Herald948 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill and others:
>
> The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,
> along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More
> information at
>
> _http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_
> (http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp)
>
> Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
>
> And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North
> America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van 
> currently
> residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web
> site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well 
> as
> publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit 
> Triumph
> distributors in the early 1960s.
>
> Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of
> highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa 
> proving
> run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:39:35 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:39:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire (Now Atlas Van)
In-Reply-To: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
	<405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
Message-ID: <AFCDE2B5C7754221BFA6F43647C94F93@newcomputer>

They might be a bit more peppy with a Honda S2000 engine instead of that
wimpy 948.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:32 AM
To: Herald948 at aol.com; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Nov 11 13:40:54 2008
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY142-W126D159352E995FBE144D0C8150@phx.gbl>

Hello all-

Not to promote too hard, but we had a feature cover story by Paul Richardson
about the replica Macau Spitfire in The Vintage Triumph several issues ago.

Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 -0500>
To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire> > Amici...> > The
December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently > completed,
and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire. Replica or not, it's a beautiful >
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club. The article
> reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what
> was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership >
(somethinorother Junction). It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid. At the
time, I > was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had
seven places > for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have. I always
wondered what > happened to it. According to the article it has been moving
around, including > some time in a private collection in Switzerland. Neat
looking car, with > exotic body work.> > Another article in the same issue
that caught my eye was about a late 1950s > Standard Atlas caravan entitled
the Little Blue Bus. We'd call it a mini-Van. > Its blue and white Triumph
shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, > and is stretched to at least
twice its normal width, with no added height. This > supposedly befitting the
Atlas' ample nose bonnet. It appears to have a > speedometer and no other
gauges. Looks like it would seat nine people, but I > don't know if they'd get
to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, > which means a 948cc
engine. Wow. Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a > 1700cc Ensign engine.>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 11 15:52:33 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:52:33 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>

Bill Dentinger wrote:
> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful
> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.

Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of occasions - and having read 
Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps 
it at the TSSC H/Q all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people carrier with towbar. What's that 
got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America 
plans to visit the UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:

1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau Spitfire
4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and engineering 'history lesson'
5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK

FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people carrier would be appreciated. 
The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the 
news tonight, the rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.

Jonmac 


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 16:56:21 2008
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <380-2200811211235621718@earthlink.net>

Jim,
 
Curious why you would put main bearings in a motor that you race or exert
more than a street car without having the crank checked for out of round or
the block for alignment. My experience has taught me that the main and rod
bearings take a set to the crank and that putting a set of new bearings on
an unchecked crank is a recipe for disaster.

Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/10/2008 10:09:25 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
>
> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go 
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 18:40:46 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 EST
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>

With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 18:59:34 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:59:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
References: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1721014884-1226541646-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415134295-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Are we talking about pounding in the sealant-soaked felt strips
While lying on your back?

Holy cow. 

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal


With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 12 22:23:38 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20081113052344.0A8D518766E@autox.team.net>

I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the 
details on the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the 
rear seal this way, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.

- Tony Drews

At 09:10 PM 11/10/2008, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
>car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
>cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
>split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
>*except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
>TIA
>
>jim
>
>--
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>Blacksburg VA
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 12 23:17:32 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
Message-ID: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
Thanks - Ed -


From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com  Thu Nov 13 12:14:29 2008
From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Exploded view of new H6 Carb
Message-ID: <AB79443E5D9F884892394E75C7E58E8805DBFC7C@wbwburpexmb5.amer.warnerbros.com>

Here is an excellent picture that I found while I am supposed to be
working.



http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ExplodedImageCoordinates.aspx?ProductId=33910







~Steve


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:41:01 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:41:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <c93.37ac29d1.364ddccd@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/08 4:09:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
henry at henryfrye.com writes:

<< I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from  LA
 Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one  scored line
r. I called Ken, he is out of stock >>

I have always taken used liners, clamped them down in an old block, and had a
machinist bore them to the piston size.  Furnish him with a piston and tell
him how much clearance you want.
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 12:45:46 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:45:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
In-Reply-To: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CDD82B62D004635B52C20DCA481B0E3@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It depends on the year.  Check out this site for details

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/springs.htm

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of
springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6. Thanks - Ed -
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:57:52 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <c8b.38eea0f3.364de0c0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/08 9:24:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tony at tonydrews.com writes:

<< I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the   details on 
the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the   rear seal this way
, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.   >>
The shop manual shows a special tool that pulls the rear main straight down.
I made one of these with only a fire ax, drill press, and buzz box.  Cut a
strip of metal from some plate (or use bar stock).  Drill two holes in the ends
and weld nuts over the holes on one side.  Two bolts thread into the nuts.
Drill two smaller holes between the nuts so that the bar stock could be bolted
to the main cap.  Tighten the bolts threaded into the nuts, and the cap can be
easily pulled down and out.

Yes, many times I had plenty of Permatex slopped in my face and hair while
pounding in felt underneath the car while lying on my back.
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 17:11:51 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
Message-ID: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while  Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 13 17:22:20 2008
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:22:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>

How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 and 
a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would be fine 
to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there and done 
that person. Not track; mainly road use.
JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


> Lister's:
> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
> Thanks - Ed -


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 17:30:19 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:30:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
References: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
Message-ID: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 17:57:58 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:57:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>
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Jerry,

According to the Triumphtune Manual they springs are as follows,

Fronts
TR4A/TR5/TR6
312 lbs, 6.75" fitted length
Rears
TR4A 280 lbs 8.2" fitted length
TR5  320 lbs 8.4" fitted length
TR6 late 354 lbs 8.81 fitted length

That last spring shows to raise the ride height to 9.0 in a TR4A

Hope that helps,

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To: <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spring rates


> How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 
> and a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would 
> be fine to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there 
> and done that person. Not track; mainly road use.
> JVV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
>
>
>> Lister's:
>> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
>> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
>> Thanks - Ed -
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu Nov 13 19:32:35 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 19:51:46 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:51:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rear view
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>

Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
> see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
> raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 20:03:46 2008
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:03:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Glen write up
Message-ID: <271403135.480441226631826051.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net>

   Nice  picture  of  Rob Deanes TR4 and the Stadel Ambro in Victory Lane
   this Month. Photo taken at The Glen in Sept.

   Dean T.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 20:52:09 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
Message-ID: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>

Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? 
Thanks Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be 
good to try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fasttrs at mindspring.com>; "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" 
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


> Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
> To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
>
>>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Curry
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
>> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that 
>> has
>> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that 
>> they
>> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
>> incredibly cheap.
>>
>> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if 
>> you
>> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
>> see
>> what they have.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of rob
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
>> Best
>> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
>> raceing.
>> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the 
>> rebateout
>> in
>> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
>> brightness.
>> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
>> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Nov 14 09:16:26 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
	<AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811141112130.32600@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, rob wrote:

> Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? Thanks 
> Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be good to 
> try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob

I can't address the babah wahwah thing, but one minor prob with LCD 
screens is that if you wear polarized sunglasses, you may have to tilt 
your head to see what's on the screen. Not good if yer looking to see if 
the GT1 camaro is about to punt you as you enter a corner.

This is probably a case where the low-tech solution (a wink mirror or 
something similar) is the best solution.

My $0.02

p.s. You Do It Electronics in the Boston area is affectionately referred 
to by MIT folks as "You Broke It Electronics". Fun place!!

rml
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 14 16:06:53 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself (though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs - is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it 'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space, ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 16:17:16 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:17:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Nov 14 16:26:36 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:26:36 GMT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <200811141626734.SM07420@[166.70.182.40]>

To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting
in Arkansas that is available.B  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not
we've got one ready to go!
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WIHello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 16:37:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <491E0BB1.8080707@charter.net>

I tried that same backup camera but from Costco for less than $100.. I 
may work in a race car but when I hooked it up to my 35 foot motor home 
it couldn't transmit the distance.
If you have any leads for a cheaper more cost effective unit I would 
like to know.
Still interested in a reasonable one but Camping World units are way too 
expensive. The camera has a mount that doubles for  a license plate 
bracket.
Regards
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Racer working out the build problems




Mike Munson wrote:
> I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>  I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Nov 14 16:42:43 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:42:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F2995F15EEFC464A90409A92BDA9311A@newcomputer>

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 17:19:45 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>

Thanks for all the help on the SU questions I will be ordering a lower 
pressure fuel pressure regulator from Summit/Holley in the near future.

I have a new question to those with a spit racer.
My vehicle has a 1300cc engine with an aluminum bell housing , 3 rail 
early trans., early clutch with an aluminum flywheel.
My problem is that that I can't get enough travel from the  stock Clutch 
master cylinder or slave cylinder to disengage for a shift change.

With my TR6, I came up with an adjustable lever long before the guys 
started selling them on ebay.  I don't seem to have enough travel.
Have any of you had any similar experiences, do I need to develope and 
adjustable push rod??

Thanks in advance

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer working out the problems


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 18:04:26 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
Message-ID: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>

John:

What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
year.  It should be quite an journey.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:07 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me
announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later
in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of
distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find
details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or
triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had
to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself
(though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were
never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs -
is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would
have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most
graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA
near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in
the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever
done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I
hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man
who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards
please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it
'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the
remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after
the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel
and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San
Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end
of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space,
ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do
our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:23:56 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:23:56 EST
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <be5.43ebf73d.364f9acc@aol.com>

Jonmac, your mission was a very worthy endeavor before but you have now  made 
it so personal to so many of us.  For this I am sure I can speak for  many in 
saying "Thank You!"
 
Cheers & God Bless you & Uncle Jack.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:26:52 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <bcd.3f0d5721.364f9b7c@aol.com>

OK, now I'm interested.  Body in Wisconsin, frame in Arkansas and me  in 
Branson with a good engine & O/D transmission.  Somebody needs to do  some here.  
I'm open so perhaps contact me off list.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:25:46 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:25:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

The frame I had for the project is spoken for, so take a look at Brad's frame.

Scott 

________________________________

From: Brad Kahler 
To: Barr, Scott; fot 
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:26:36 2008
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI 


To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting in Arkansas that is available.  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not we've got one ready to go!

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI


Hello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:30:23 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:30:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, it had to go through NM before it got to your place in AZ, didn't it?? :-)

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; spitfires at autox.team.net <spitfires at autox.team.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:42:43 2008
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 14 20:42:05 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
	<000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081115034214.C41ED187642@autox.team.net>

FWIW - Jack always had his nickname in all lower case - "uncle jack 
racing".  Part of his low key profile, I suppose.  That's why in 
Jonmac's note it's in lower case rather than upper case.  Minor 
detail, but says something about the man, I think.  The "case" really 
doesn't matter to me, but I thought you'd appreciate that detail.

Both Frances and I are quite honored by Jonmac's request.

- Tony Drews

At 07:04 PM 11/14/2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>John:
>
>What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
>other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
>to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
>year.  It should be quite an journey.
>
>Gary


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 14 23:25:05 2008
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:25:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
Message-ID: <491E6B41.5020507@bradakis.com>

I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
squaretail.
It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and clutch.  
This
car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.

After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I put in
new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
the back of the cylinder.

But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
not wanting to play together.  Oh well.

mjb.


From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Nov 15 08:08:35 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:08:35 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
	<2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>
Message-ID: <D47391CFFF0A4BCEA69229B3EBCA23DF@PBA.INT>

Hi all - similarly from me if John has a few takers ..... but you'll be in 
Tr4 land ......

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill Dentinger wrote:
>> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
>> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, 
>> it's a beautiful
>> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, 
>> the
>> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.
>
> Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of 
> occasions - and having read Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can 
> attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps it at the TSSC H/Q 
> all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
> For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people 
> carrier with towbar. What's that got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just 
> to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America plans to visit the 
> UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:
>
> 1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
> 2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
> 3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau 
> Spitfire
> 4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and 
> engineering 'history lesson'
> 5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK
>
> FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people 
> carrier would be appreciated. The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you 
> as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the news tonight, the 
> rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 08:09:28 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491E6B41.5020507@bradakis.com>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<491E15A1.3040208@charter.net> <491E6B41.5020507@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <491EE628.2090706@charter.net>

Marks story sounds like a carbon copy of mine.
I picked up the 72 Spit as a basket case in Salt Lake a few years ago. 
It came in boxes of parts with little explanation of what origin or 
years they were from.
This car has not run or raced since the late 70's so I don't have the 
experience if it worked with or without the aluminum bell housing.
As Marks car this is a Mark 4 1300, full synchro 3 rail but with an 
aluminum flywheel stock disc and pressure plate.
I too pulled out the slave and I'm getting travel from the piston and 
the clutch master has ~ 1 inch of stroke.
I think the aluminum flywheel is the late version but I can't say for 
sure since I only have cast iron late and early flywheels to compare it to.
They seem to be similar if not the same.
The aluminum bell housing came with the rest of the parts and was 
notched for header clearance so I'm assuming all the parts worked 
together at some point in time.
Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different 
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Race Car working out the problems in Michigan


Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
> squaretail.
> It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and 
> clutch.  This
> car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.
>
> After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I 
> put in
> new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
> measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
> slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
> would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
> up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
> much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
> exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
> not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
> we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
> another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
> slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
> the back of the cylinder.
>
> But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
> yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
> issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
> not wanting to play together.  Oh well.
>
> mjb.
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Nov 15 09:39:59 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Insane Driving Skill
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBICEHAEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

from a TR7/8 forum 


Paul

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 10:11:24 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:11:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the  
earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to  clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and  
earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
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From srcypher at mac.com  Sat Nov 15 10:42:22 2008
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 Speed Tranny wanted
Message-ID: <5334BFE5-A6A8-405D-A5BE-712BD85E0F93@mac.com>

Looking for cheap or free TR7 4 speed transmission to experiment on;  
as long as I can take it apart, its good for my purpose.  Let me know  
if there's one not too far from PA, MD or the TRI state area.

Thanks

-Scott Cypher
spitfireracer at xsmail.com
SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573
Reading, PA
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1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar
1971 TR6 TBD
1976 TR7 Street
1968 GT6 Vintage


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 15 12:10:08 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>

I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
so that should not make a difference.

That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
Questions

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the

earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between
early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless
there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to
clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and

earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on
earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I
don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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Herald 
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 12:58:28 2008
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
Message-ID: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>

Amici -



The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
 

As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.


The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.

Good luck all,
Bob T
'64 Spit GT? autocrosser

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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Nov 15 13:08:29 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
In-Reply-To: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F2C3D.9010204@141.com>

The later single rail gearboxes will also bolt up to the aluminum bell 
housings but a few mods need to be made. 

You can see in the following picture the hole that we added to the 
aluminum bell housing for the shifter rail.  Unknown to me there is a 
small oil weep hole on the steel bell housing that was absent in our mod 
of the aluminum bell housing.  Thanks to Tony Drews who spotted the 
issue with the weep hole while we were racing at Mid-Ohio in 2002 we 
found that with that weep hole left uncovered every time Susan applied 
the brakes (she doesn't do that to often!) oil would pour through the 
hole into the clutch area and of course caused a huge oily mess. 

http://www.141.com/triumphs/projects/tristan/photos/Bell-housings.jpg

I don't have a picture of the patch welded over the hole but once we did 
that the massive oil leak went away.  Bottom line is you have to provide 
clearance for the shifter rail to protrude into the clutch area and then 
you have to weld a bubble type patch over it to allow the oil from the 
shifter rod to drain back into the transmission.

Brad


robertten1 at aol.com wrote:
> Amici -
>
>
>
> The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
>  
>
> As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.
>
>
> The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.
>
> Good luck all,
> Bob T
> '64 Spit GT? autocrosser


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 14:14:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>

Looking over my spare parts and a closer inspection of the clutch 
hydraulics revealed that I can't get enough travel out of the slave 
cylinder.
I measured the  the master cylinder stroke ~ 1 inch but slave cylinder 
is ~ 1/2 inch. When assembled I run out of travel with the slave piston 
so it only travels 5/16- 3/8 inch.
Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I think) it 
would equate to less travel but not that much.
I have not yet pulled the trans but planning to do so shortly.
Thanks for the suggestions
Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer pulling the transmission. (its snowing here 
so I'm moving a little slow)

Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> gaf3 at charter.net writes:
>
>     Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a
>     different
>     release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??
>
>  
> ==AM==
> I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them 
> for the earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing 
> sleeve and "clutch disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part 
> numbers between early Spitfire (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and 
> beyond (diaphragm clutch).
>  
> Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore 
> slave cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know 
> (unless there are part numbers on them); sorry!
>  
> As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to 
> clutch action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of 
> the alloy bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used 
> on Herald 948 and earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker 
> flange as used on earlier Spitfires (but which should be usable on any 
> three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't know offhand if there's a 
> difference in overall depth between those two bellhousings...but I can 
> measure if anyone really cares! ;-)
>  
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
> Triumph Herald engine with wings.
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>
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> Register: http://www.vtr.org <http://www.vtr.org/>
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us <http://triumph-herald.us/>
>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 15 14:21:59 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:21:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081115212159.LWGF7376.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall>

> Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I 
> think) it would equate to less travel but not that much.

Don't forget that the stroke ratio is the square of the diameters.  5/8"
diameter to 7/8" diameter works out to about to about 1:2.

Randall


From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 15:42:23 2008
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:42:23 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <d35.3e78d1c4.3650aa4f@aol.com>

Are you saying that the slave does not go far enough into the slave 
bracket?....


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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 15:54:33 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
	<61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <491F5329.10703@charter.net>

Thanks all for the suggestions on what could be causing the issue with 
the clutch on this race car.

Joe Curry made a suggestion that I file an additional slot is the slave 
cylinder body to gain travel.
I found an old slave cylinder from the former owner and it had a second 
slot filed in it. This
Must be how he resolved the clutch release problem.  Here is a photo of 
the fix.

I now get enough travel and the clutch releases enough to shift gears ( 
on the jack stands anyway )

I'll save the trans R&R for next time.

Thanks again to the Triumph brain trust.
Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer on to the next problem

Joe Curry wrote:
> I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
> difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
> so that should not make a difference.
>
> That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
> flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
> which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
> definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
> To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
> Questions

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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sun Nov 16 10:53:23 2008
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:53:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 body and frame for sale
Message-ID: <8766F195516A4B35A69062A5F34EC61B@Dell5100Laptop>

Sorry for the commercial but someone on FOT might want these before I
post them to the 6 pack list or Ebay.

 

1)       A very, very nice and complete late TR6 body, including doors,
deck lid and hood.  Floor pans were replaced and the rest of the body
was stripped and painted a very pretty red color about 10 years ago.
It's been stored inside ever since and is nearly ready to go back on a
frame.  For some reason they didn't paint the floors so there's some
surface rust but otherwise they're new.  There is also a little rust
along the very bottom of the rear valance and fenders but it's minimal
and would be an easy fix.  This would make a great vintage race car body
as it sits.

2)       Late TR6 frame, came from under the body above.  I separated
them so I could more closely inspect the frame before listing it for
sale.  For the most part it appears to be very solid but had apparently
been hit in the front at some point.  It was repaired and appears
straight.  It needs the usual gussets and rear diff mounts beefed up
although someone has welded in some bracing on the front diff supports.
There is the usual surface rust but I tapped on all surfaces with a pick
hammer and didn't find anything serious.  The frame is a roller, with
suspension and diff included.

3)       Asking $4,000 obo for both. Located in North Florida.

 

Don Marshall  

904-259-9668

Macclenny, FL


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Sun Nov 16 18:53:34 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


G. Michael Harmuth


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov 16 19:52:54 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <D381BD2EC34242858360EE725CE96A91@newcomputer>

Yes, the Mk3 Spit shares the same front bumper and overriders with the Mk2
GT6 (GT6+ in the USA)

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of George Harmuth
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:54 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Nov 16 21:42:33 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:42:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT 6
Message-ID: <BLU136-W516C319E6444C453E48E70B2130@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
I,m Restoring a Evla Courier race car and I need a source for TR GT6 Front
suspension... vertical link (upright),spindle,caliper mounts, Rotors and Hubs
(alloy?). New parts are preferred if available.

Thank You

Tony Garmey


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Nov 17 07:38:00 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
Message-ID: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html

1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you 
can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner 
disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 
original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and 
factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one 
year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought 
after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than 
the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 
consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA

http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/

FYI - NFI - Tony Drews


From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Mon Nov 17 09:11:25 2008
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:11:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>

The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has been his 
business for that time, although many of his transactions have involved 
higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is apparently very near me if an 
FoT has an interest and I could help.  NFI

Dave Talbott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250


> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>
> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you can 
> see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner disassembled the 
> car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 original miles. Original 
> engine, desirable period alloy wheels and factory TR 6 hardtop. No 
> overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one year (1968) only 8000 units were 
> produced making it the most sought after and valuable Triumph sports car. 
> A way better investment than the stock market $6,500 call Dave 
> 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 
> 650cc Triumph or BSA
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>
> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 17 09:27:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Reading Material
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIGEHNEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

Check out the goldmine of racing and everything else Triumph at the VTR site
under TSOA newsletters. I just re-discovered the stash in doing some
research, although I had seen it before, it still is incredible.

http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/tsoa.html


Paul

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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 17 09:33:07 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:33:07 -1000
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
In-Reply-To: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
	<000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <504B1572-06DF-4EB8-B229-082D3468F4C8@bnj.com>

Tempting, very tempting. That's what I need, another project!
On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:11 AM, David Talbott wrote:

> The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has  
> been his business for that time, although many of his transactions  
> have involved higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is  
> apparently very near me if an FoT has an interest and I could help.   
> NFI
>
> Dave Talbott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
> Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
>
>
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>>
>> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very  
>> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as  
>> you can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner  
>> disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000  
>> original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and  
>> factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one  
>> year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought  
>> after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than  
>> the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877  
>> consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>>
>> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 10:33:50 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 11:18:19 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:18:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9EE2A12F5C8A4AE892CFBE0AAF3F7AF6@Bud>

1. I will race the same..but if the fields get small It won't be as much fun 
so I may cut back
2. entry fees are 425.00+
3. 1(SCCA)
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 12:03:01 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:03:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <c89.396ee977.365319e5@aol.com>

I place on racing the same as well.
 
Entry prices for CVAR events are around $250.  Plus $100. for Test & Tune.
 
CVAR has a few but I don't think it is a lot.
 
Gary Fuqua
63 TR 4
61 Bugeye
Branson, MO
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 17 12:21:27 2008
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A02F19CA61D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I too am with CVAR and the $250.00 amount applies for our events, but I am
afraid that the rate may be raised. Our numbers are already down and 3 of our
events are held at Texas World Speedway where the break even registration
number is purported to be over 120 cars. Our November event only had 112. I'd
love to see a historical event participation record.

As for the questions, I plan to go to the Mitty next year so I will probably
have a repeat of this year's 50% CVAR participation, 3 out of 6 events, to
save travel money for the Mitty.

We occasionally get a t-shirt sponsor but that is it.

Bob Kramer
Austin Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 12:37:47 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:37:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <CC0F76F7-5F27-468B-BCCD-1883BE3E5A7B@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I have a 62 TR3B.

I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.

The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.

I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.

Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.

What type of CR gears might I have?

~Steve


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Nov 17 12:46:11 2008
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:46:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <69bcefbcebedf28a81163507e5b4fc23.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

> Gary Hortska asked:
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Well, since I sold my race car in August, I will reduce
the number of events to zero in 2009.  Anyone want
to buy a really nice enclosed race car trailer?

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Event fees were $185 for singles and something like
$300 or so for double race weekends last year as I
recall.  Since that is a minor part of the total expense
for a race weekend, I can't remember for sure.

> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

I race(d) exclusively with the SCCA, and only one race
a year (the Labor Day Double) had Corporate sponsorship,
although some races had dinners provided by sponsors.


John Lye


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 13:07:40 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <111720082007.2149.4921CF0C000763AC000008652216538496970A9D010507@comcast.net>

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> FOT,
> 
> I have a 62 TR3B.
> 
> I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
> but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.
> 
> The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.
> 
> I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.
> 
> Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
> I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.


A TR6 usually has a 1.25" input shaft. Since you have the 1" 10 spline and use a GT6 disc, you should have the CR gearset in your TRanny.

Irv


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Nov 17 14:26:09 2008
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8E932D57C5B64EB489580DCE3D99C897@S1099895562>

> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Economics kept me from racing in 2008, probably won't race in 2009 either. I 
also didn't travel much for autocross -- longest trip was 120 miles one-way 
to Heartland Park Topeka for both the Midwest Divisional and Nationals (In 
the worst of times I never miss Nationals). Also, the only races I worked 
last year were that same 120-mile trip to HPT for a double National and the 
Runoffs. Won't go to 2009 Runoffs, even to work -- too far (Road America). 
I'll do most or all of my local autocrosses. Probably only work the couple 
of races scheduled at HPT.

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Races ~$200. Autocross locally $20, Divisionals ~$60, Nationals $110. 
Outside of local events, travel/lodging is the major expense, not entry 
fees. (and we hope the car doesn't break anything really expensive.) For 
Nationals and Runoffs I worked a deal for a really cheap hotel room 
($38/day) that I won't be able to do next year.


> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

None in SCCA Midwest club racing. Autocross has sponsors at 
Divisional/National level, but they don't directly offset entry fees. 
Divisional sponsorship porimarily pays for awards. National covers many 
event expenses. However, I'm sure the money they pump in has helped keep 
entry fees from rising.

--Rocky Entriken
   GP Spitfire


From bswope959 at msn.com  Mon Nov 17 15:50:33 2008
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY137-DAV2C49827CDC9A4C74A457BEC130@phx.gbl>

Gary The last survey I saw showed the average vintage racer had 4+ years of
education above Highschool and earned over $109,000 per year. I think the need
for speed will prevail and I believe the price of true Vintage racers will
hold. Sales may slow. Don't confused wormed over production cars with roll
bars To be the same as borne to be race cars. (sport racers, open-wheel,
factory one ups and the likes.)
I will race next year,
SWMS club week -in is $250
We have sponsor funds
The VMC met last week, I was not available to go ,but I bet they discussed
what you are asking. WWW.VMC.com<http://www.vmc.com/>
Wm. (Bill) Swope
dba C ME GO Racing
1030 Green Valley Rd. NW
Los Ranchos, N M  87107
bswope959 at msn.com<mailto:bswope959 at msn.com>
(505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary Horstkorta<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:33 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


  Hello:



  At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking
with
  several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
  U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
  With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
  speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
  afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
  responses:



  1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

  2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
  race with?

  3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
  sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



  Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
  Thanks.



  Gary

  1962 TR4
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 16:08:26 2008
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6793539A0711427DAC99FF0274F24CFB@steven2sbouwlk>

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

            Actually, I plan on doubling my race entries in 2009.  It's my 
plan to keep the economy going - life is short, way too short, and my dad 
has advised me to not count the money I'll save by not racing, on my 
deathbed.

 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

            My entry fees average $400, the total expense for an event 
averages $1500 - I could lower this to $1400 if I eat more chicken

 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

            SVRA

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA #393 Group3


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Nov 17 16:16:19 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <20081117.161620.3544.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

The Vintage Motorsports Council is at http://www.v-m-c.org/ .
____________________________________________________________
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Nov 17 16:50:40 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49220350.2010609@cfl.rr.com>

Gary Horstkorta wrote:
> Hello:
>
>  
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>  
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>   
                   *I am going this weekend to pick up a 57 TR3 racer, 
reassemble it, have it together by next fall and race it.
                   So I plan to support the industry and race organizations*
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>   
                   *SCCA in Florida is $150 and VDCA is $325. VDCA is by 
far the best buy for seat time and social gathering*.
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>   
                   *I suppose SCCA has some type of sponsorship but 
can't speak for VDCA.*
> Bob Davis


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:38:06 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit Clutch Release Problems
Message-ID: <94449AB122644811983B2282D6F85C18@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I too had problems similar to this.  Everything was fine until I put in a
NOS Borg & Beck pressure plate.  The clutch didn't want to disengage until
the pedal was almost to the floor.  I also had a new racing clutch disk, but
it was identical to the old one.  Nothing else had changed, but I checked to
see if there was problems with the slave cylinder, rod, etc and found
nothing unusual.  I checked to see if the clutch was grabbing tightly in the
shop, and the permanent rubber marks in my shop floor show that it was.  I
ran the car that way for the weekend, it felt weird, but worked ok.

We had engine problems and took the engine, with the clutch assy to the
engine builder to get fixed.  When I got it back, I noted that they didn't
like the way the clutch went on, the fingers were depressed too far.  They
shimmed the pressure plate out from the flywheel about 1/16 inch and it
works and feels great.  We've now run 4 consecutive weekends with it and no
problems whatsoever.

Jim Norlin


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:48:50 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:48:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6E60B7D23CA149469385319EA63B2C9F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

We expect to run more or less the same as last year.

Entry fees run from about $230 for a single regional to $450 for a
regional/national.

Corporate sponsorship exists at many of the events we run, but it's focused
on paying for the social activities and trophys, etc.  It does help keep the
costs down a bit.

I've found the easiest way to save on race expenses is to find race fuel
away from the track.  Away from the track, I'm paying $4 per gallon less
than at the track - $40 to $60 a weekend.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less. Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Nov 18 05:16:11 2008
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003901c94977$73321e10$59965a30$@net>

1.  I will probably race a bit more

2.  Entry fees are now typically up into the $400 range on an average. Used
to be there were a number of events that were ~$250 but costs have gone up
across the board for the tracks and sanctioning bodies as well so it's
natural they are reflected in the entry fees. There may be differences
between club environments that rely mostly on volunteers vs corporate
entities that try to operate at a profit. 

3.  There are a number of sanctioning bodies that have some corporate
sponsorship but without viewing their P&L it would be hard to determine
where the funds ended up and whether it impacted the entry fee.

Vintage racing is a great hobby but it does come at a cost. It's a decision
each person needs to make as to whether an event is right for them. There
are large scale events at famous tracks with many bells and whistles and
then lesser attended events more economical by club entities on some
occasions. Again, it's a decision for each individual to make based on
costs, seat time, safety of participants, location and politics with the
sanctioning body. 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49
VARAC; SVRA; VRG

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 12:28:18 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:28:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <AE3E3B7F-8081-4696-B2D1-F9DFE1DE0FA1@earthlink.net>

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 15:46:30 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Racing plans for 2009
In-Reply-To: <2006092433.418771227047854992.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1040754807.420281227048390789.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gary: Here is my respnse to your three questions regarding 2009 vintage
racing:



1. I plan on racing the same # of weekends in 09, but will stay closer to home
next year. For example, no trip to Watkins Glen from the Pacific NW. If I
could get my TR4 accepted to Mon terrey Historics, that is probably worth
selling some ( or possibly a lot!!) B deflated stocks to attend.



2. The big National events, i.e. SVRA at the Glen or RA are around $500, but
that is just the start of the expenses. Test and tune adds another $300 to
400, not to mention getting to the track, motels, gas, etc. Our local SOVREN
events are $300 + or -.



3. We have major corporate sponsorships for the SOVREN Historics, i.e.
Edelbrock and a host of others, but those funds go to the Seattle Children's
Hospital as a charitable contribution.



Regards,



John


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 16:46:39 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <1973471777-1227053688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273488860-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Got them.  Thanks FOT
------Original Message------
From: Steven Belfer
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Sent: Nov 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot



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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Nov 18 20:18:47 2008
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:18:47 EST
Subject: [Fot] Body panels needed
Message-ID: <cf6.4487f4fc.3654df97@aol.com>

I'm looking for a TR3A front apron and trunk lid (pre-60,000) in reasonably 
good condition. I'm not opposed to using an earlier TR3 (small mouth) apron.   

   Thanks,
    Dave


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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov 19 08:52:10 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:52:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] New HD Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811191049010.19113@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just noticed that Moss Europe has new Armstrong shocks in regular, +25% 
and +50% ratings.

Would anyone care to share if they've used these and whether they hold up 
under racing use?

I also looked at Mossmotors.com and I didn't find these parts there (yet). 
Anyone know if you can get them from the US source?

regards,
rml
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Nov 19 17:53:02 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
Message-ID: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 19:27:08 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
References: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <A76BBC057FEB405CB88EE2D4CC93E9D3@Bud>

Thanks Brad...for taking the time to send to us.Terrific history..By the 
way..I drag raced my 1962 tr4 street car at Fremont Drag Strip in California 
in about 1967, We had an autocross that went straight up the 1/4 mile strip, 
and then back through a chicane....I turned  about 18.4 sec. on the drag 
portion...There were 2 ways to shift the trs...1. pause slightly between 
gears..2....Shift so fast that it felt smooth(whoooom)..GREAT TORQUEY CARS
Racer Bud..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway


> Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.
>
> http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html
>
> Brad
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 06:22:12 2008
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
In-Reply-To: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <463629.43776.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello all. This is kind of strange but in the early 50's the hot rod club to
which I belonged was involved in getting drags started at Aquasco Speedway.
That was some time  before I became a part of the road racing scene. Brings
back a lot of memories. Cheers, Ed.

Ed Diehl

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:53 PM

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad
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From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Nov 23 10:14:30 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1229.1226975770.3542.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>

1. I would like to race as much as I have this past year and a half... about 6 events per calendar year.

2. CVAR is about $250.00 for the weekend plus $100.00 for a friday test and tune.

3. no sponsorship known

GT6 transmission...again...

Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6 times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a race with another organization...
Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
Bobby Whitehead
#53 CVAR EP Group II


From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov 23 13:20:28 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:20:28 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
References: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
Message-ID: <AD074A2C-617A-4CAF-9A44-8911AC05CCC9@bnj.com>

It's pretty easy to set up a hydraulic release bearing properly and  
once you do you don't have to worry about it anymore. You want to  
assemble everything with some clay on the face of the throwout bearing  
and the hydraulic actuator pushed all the way back. Then disassemble  
and measure the clay thickness to determine how much clearance you  
have between the bearing face and clutch boss. You want enough room so  
the clutch can disengage fully or you will toast the engine's thrust  
bearings. Say .060 to .070"

Now measure the travel of the actuator for one full stroke of the  
master cylinder. If the travel is longer than the recommended stroke  
of your clutch then you either need a smaller m/c (recommended) or a  
stop. Remember that the hydraulic actuator is self adjusting. It will  
not withdraw to the amount of clearance you set up--it will rest the  
throwout bearing lightly on the clutch boss. You'll get the full  
stroke of the actuator every time you press the clutch pedal to the  
floor. Setting clearance is just to be sure you always have room to  
fully release the clutch, even after a bit of disk wear.

I don't know what the recommended stroke of your GT6 clutch is. The  
stock setup may not overstroke the clutch, but with all the broken  
diaphragm springs I've seen over the years I wouldn't guarantee that.  
The long lever arm and a spring to pull the throwout bearing off the  
clutch means that the free play adjustment varies the stroke.
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

>
> Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the  
> flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob  
> Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from  
> Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change  
> showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last  
> event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6  
> times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays  
> test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
> Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched  
> whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
> Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch  
> material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
> Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go  
> back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was  
> too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the  
> release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was  
> planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to  
> Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do  
> not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I  
> run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
> I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder  
> if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
> Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the  
> slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a  
> race with another organization...
> Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
> Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
> Bobby Whitehead
> #53 CVAR EP Group II
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From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Nov 23 18:10:29 2008
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
Message-ID: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins


From britbits at netzero.com  Sun Nov 23 19:22:04 2008
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
In-Reply-To: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
References: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001501c94ddb$72339710$c4523542@jrg>

Try someone like Ted Schumacher at TSI Imports
(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com)

The 1500 manifold (UK version) is a direct bolt up to the 1296 cylinder
head.


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:10 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins
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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 12:23:59 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:23:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site (http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
www.kenalu.com
blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog


From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 13:08:42 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:08:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
References: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40FA4121-A943-4668-BC81-67843774A347@bnj.com>

I _knew_ I'd screw that up.

On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:57 AM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
>
>> More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept
>> 6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.
>
>
> Bill,
>
> These dates are Sunday thru Wednesday. Did you mean Sept 4-7 (Friday  
> thru Monday)?
>
> Irv

Bill Babcock
Babcock & Jenkins
Billb at bnj.com
503.936.7660
www.bnj.com

Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
www.kenalu.com
blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 13:58:31 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
	<0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <001101c94e77$68b559c0$3a200d40$@racer@comcast.net>

Bill:

Good news!  I'll be there with "The Flying Brick".

Gary
1962 TR4

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:24 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site
(http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
www.kenalu.com
blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 14:27:40 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:27:40 -0000
Subject: [Fot] In memory of uncle jack
Message-ID: <C5D17BDA47C9475A941DD48C27F72B71@Bevan>

Friends

As many of you know, I'm currently intending to do a Charity Drive across the States and Canada next 
year in a Stag - to help three charities (non-profits) raise money for the treatment of so many who 
suffer from PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder.
There's a website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk which you're welcome to visit to learn more. 
There's also a button on it you can click to keep up to speed with update emails from me on progress 
in preparing for the event and (hopefully) a daily diary and video download once we get underway 
with the Drive itself.
The prime point of this email is to give FoTers the first public announcement of what I feel is a 
very important landmark in the run-up to getting underway.
As most (all?) of us know, Jack Drews was a perfectionist in the way his car was always prepared and 
turned out whenever he went racing. I feel it is not too soon to say the 1973 Stag that I will be 
driving on the event will entirely reflect Jack's no compromise standards, and for this, I'm 
entirely indebted to Joe Pawlak and his loyal team of dedicated helpers at Illinois Sports Owners 
Association who, even as I write, are completely rebuilding the car from the ground up.
It's by now had its final coat of Sapphire Blue (original colour) though it was white when bought 
earlier this year. We're keeping the hardtop white to hopefully reflect out some of the heat the A/C 
won't be able to cope with!
But now we come to the important bit. After a most courteous email from Tony Drews, I want all of 
you to know the Stag will have a name. I can think of a good few unprintable ones but I want you to 
be aware that as of now the TTACD Stag will be known as uncle jack. Tony was most insistent we keep 
to lower case letters throughout because this is how Jack always signed off his emails to the list 
and certainly to me. I do hope Jack would approve - but I think he will. Joe Pawlak and the team 
have done a stupendous job so far and I see no reason why this standard will not continue. There's 
another more personal issue for me that I hope uncle jack won't object to having on his front 
bumper.
My late Dad, Charles Macartney, after whom The Macartney Charitable Trust was named in his memory, 
was also a perfectionist in anything he undertook - especially if it was anything to do with 
engineering and production issues at the factory in Coventry. With that in view, I do hope no-one 
will object if uncle jack appears on the highways and byways of the USA and Canada with a replica of 
Dad's licence plate that he moved from car to car over the years. That plate was first issued by the 
Coventry Motor Tax office in 1956 and is TRW 777.
Thank you Tony, thank you Frances, uncle jack will live on in more than just your memories and I 
promise I'll do my very best to look after him as we complete our marathon journey.
OK FoTers - uncle jack is back with us and I hope in a form which would ensure his approval.

Jonmac
(John Macartney) 


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Nov 24 17:59:03 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <OFFC470D40.75EAF07E-ON8525750B.0082D93F-8525750C.00056755@us.ibm.com>

As the proud new owner of a 70 GT6 MK2 I discovered that one of the
rotoflex couplings is dry rotted. I'm going to replace both of them and I
have a question. I was looking at my usual British parts supplier's
catalogs and I see a big difference in price for the couplings. There seems
to be 2 tiers of parts, some are in the $35-$45 range and then the others
are $135-$170. For example, the $40 part in the Victoria British catalog
looks like what I need but the large price difference makes me wonder if
I'm missing something. Is it just price gouging or is there a legitimate
reason for the $175 coupling vs the $40 one? BTW, the GT will be a street
car, not a racer, if that makes a difference for the parts.

Thanks
mike

63 Spit race car
70 GT6
71 spit ( work in process)
72 spit daily driver


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Nov 24 18:15:04 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:15:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <c9d.38fcf19c.365cab98@aol.com>

Firstly Welcome to the FOT,
 
We welcome newcomers...
 
The existing Roto's, when you sat dryrotted do you mean surface cracks or  
actual seperation?  If they're not breaking apart at the metal plates I'd  
encourage you to keep them which leads neatly to the second topic,
 
The repalcement Roto's now are pretty bad.  You get what you pay  for.  
Dependant upon your plans for the car, the cheapies may serve you  well for the 
amount of time you drive them.  If you love the car, do a lot  of miles on it or 
flog it regularly the high Dollar for proper Metalastik joints  could well be 
worth the expense.
 
Hope that helps...Steve
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Nov 25 04:59:30 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>

Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Nov 25 08:21:16 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:21:16 EST
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Engine Plate for TR Morgans-delete if no interest in
 this subject
Message-ID: <bdc.3a6d07ab.365d71ec@cs.com>

List,

The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us 
to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates. 

If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may 
only be one production run.

Thanks for the favor....

Joe Alexander


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 25 09:45:47 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <20081125114547.NXNCN.457454.imail@fed1rmwml28>

You will love this race track, smooth, great corners, big paved pit area, great town and lots of places to live close by. 
---- Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote: 

=============
Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Tue Nov 25 10:00:28 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:00:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <cbf.2be26775.365d892c@aol.com>

I met with the organizers of this event and am interested in going from 
Florida. A big part of this will involve if the Group 44 GT6 gets accepted for 
Monterey (and holds together, if it does). I could then leave it out there for a 
few weeks.

By the way, picked up the painted GT6 shell from my painter yesterday. Frame 
is all powder coated   and assembly starts this weekend. Group 44 GT6 makes 
its first public debut at our booth at PRI show in Dec. Got this far in three 
months. Wife is not that thrilled with me right now.

And for those not wanting to go all the way to Oregon, remember our eastcoast 
semi-focus event at the Mitty May 1-3. 

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Nov 25 16:48:09 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Please send contact
Message-ID: <492C8EB9.9010706@cfl.rr.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth.

Glenn Effington (FUBUG) please email phone number and/or email.

thxx, Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 10:29:51 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Have a good holiday you turkeys!

:)

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 12:13:08 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Gobble, gobble!
  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
southern climes someday.
  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
winter)
  Best wishes to everyone.
  Bill
  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
  >
  > :)
  >
  > Steve
  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 26 12:13:57 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:13:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <23442331.1227726837201.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm thankful to be a "Friend Of Turkey" (My Triumph has been called worse).
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: steve belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
>
>Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>
>:)
>
>Steve
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 12:30:22 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <A9021E6CC4174EDDAB5C60BCC9AC2CD8@Bud>

Happy Thanksgiving to all of FOT and theirs
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


>  Gobble, gobble!
>  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
> southern climes someday.
>  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
> winter)
>  Best wishes to everyone.
>  Bill
>  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
>  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
> 
> 
>  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>  >
>  > :)
>  >
>  > Steve
>  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>  >
>  > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From rsrpsmith at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:53:19 2008
From: rsrpsmith at gmail.com (robert smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:53:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
Message-ID: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha, all. Just a quick note to say happy holidays, let you guys know
that TS1 made it safe and sound to Hawaii, and ask for some race car
assistance. I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. This car was originally built as a mainland track car,
so changing the gear ratio is something I needed to do anyway in order
to get quicker starts off the line, and be able to climb to more gears
than just second during these SCCA autocross events on our track!
Thanks in advance for your reply, and a sincere "aloha" and happy
holidays to all from the islands. Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii

On 11/25/08, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
> List,
>
>  The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us
>  to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates.
>
>  If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may
>  only be one production run.
>
>  Thanks for the favor....
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  _______________________________________________
>  Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>  http://www.fot-racing.com
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 14:36:52 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
In-Reply-To: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>










...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. ...



 ==AM==
Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)

Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't be a problem, either.)


 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register 

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL:<http://triumph-herald.us>


From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 26 15:38:23 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:38:23 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Request
Message-ID: <FFDF939DEFCE49D5A2CB8EB294E09E8A@Bevan>

Sorry to bomb list but I understand Russ More is a FoTer?
Russ, if you're reading this, could you please contact me off list, please?

John Macartney
In the UK


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 15:48:24 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED8EB8F71A024919B19E8B55BF6D6AF2@Bud>

Hi Gang...my friend, Dennis Ortenburger, has written a new book on auto 
racing in the 1960s..  Dennis has written several books, many specificaly on 
Lotus  To check out his new book at Xlibris.com go to 
www.theredleatherdrivinggloves.com
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Mace" <herald948 at aol.com>
To: <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving


> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
> ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
> track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
> pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
> set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
> either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
> two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
> existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
> track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
> range of 4:11. ...
>
>
>
> ==AM==
> Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an 
> early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most 
> Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing 
> applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), 
> so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 
> is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too 
> difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)
>
> Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and 
> pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. 
> And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, 
> which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the 
> more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later 
> differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle 
> shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes 
> on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't 
> be a problem, either.)
>
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph 
> Register
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database at its new URL:<http://triumph-herald.us>
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 13:49:11 2008
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:49:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fot crest
Message-ID: <5D5A3835-35E6-4FB0-A3F5-B61D4BA6E1FF@aol.com>

If anyone still has the fot.ai file that was sent out a while back,  
could you please send me a copy.
Thanks
dick ross


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov 29 16:22:32 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:22:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] Stag and TR4/5 lost in propane fire
Message-ID: <20081129232323.PZXZ3946.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

 From another list...

>
>Seem his propane heater filled the basement with propane which ignited when he
>flipped an electric switch on.
>
>Video shows the Stag outdoors and what looks like a TR4-5 being 
>carried away on a tilt-bed.
>
>http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S680827.shtml?cat=300


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 20:56:25 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:56:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] Gearing Question
Message-ID: <bf1.4280bd37.366368e9@aol.com>

I am looking for some sage advice on what gearing to use in the  differential 
of # 69.  Currently running 3:7 with overdrive.  On long  straights in O/D I 
run out of pulling power and top out at about 4500  rpms.  I also seem to not 
be quite right on some of the turns trying to  decide between 2nd or 3rd.  I'm 
wondering what if anything would be gained  by going to a 4:1?  What do you 
all recommend?
 
Thanks, Gary
 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 30 07:03:21 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 corner weights
Message-ID: <BAY123-W172DDBCEC43F05B79C5CE9BA060@phx.gbl>

Anybody have the corner weights of a stock TR6 handy? While I am at it. Is
bump steer as big an issue on the TR6's as it is on other cars? I pulled the
tub off my TR4A to TR6 (aka TR250 wana be) yesterday and am pondering a bunch
of different directions. Should be an interesting winter.

Thanks,
Marty Sukey




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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 19:16:59 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:16:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN. 



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season. 



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC! 



Thanks and do I have a second? 



John James 

#116 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:07 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryv
	ille.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081201023732.A0EE0187645@autox.team.net>

I'll second that one!

- Tony Drews

At 08:16 PM 11/30/2008, jcjcarrera at comcast.net wrote:
>Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. 
>Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific 
>Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and 
>Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN.
>
>
>
>Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance 
>Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage 
>racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but 
>from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently 
>bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally 
>purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is 
>working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season.
>
>
>
>One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the 
>Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!
>
>
>
>Thanks and do I have a second?
>
>
>
>John James
>
>#116
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:30 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIKEOOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I second Starke, welcome to the group.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of jcjcarrera at comcast.net
Sent: November 30, 2008 9:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership


Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke
has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held
numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional
group, SOVREN.



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc
and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've
lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's
perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my
old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe
Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it
ready for the 2009 season.



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage
Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!



Thanks and do I have a second?



John James

#116
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 13:15:59 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
Message-ID: <425461.68468.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here.  They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov  1 13:37:22 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 MK3 1972
Message-ID: <20081101193726.POPQ6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

I'm passing this note on to the list.  This guy contacted our Club 
about finding a buyer for his GT6.  Contact him directly if you are 
interested.  His email address is jamjet007 at sbcglobal.net. I added 
him to the .cc line on this note.

The car looks to be in nice shape based on the photos he emailed 
me.  Note: We have no financial interest.  Pass this note on to 
anyone else you think that might be interested.

 From his notes to me about the car...

"My name is John Ocampo, from Brookfield Illinois. I spoke to Mr.John 
Horton about selling a GT6. He said I should contact you because you 
may have better chance to help find a buyer for car.

Respectfully,
John Ocampo"

and

"I have receipts of repairs that I have made since buying the car in 
96'. The car has been garaged kept and has never been in an acident. 
The car is from Mountain View, CA. With original engine, Trans, and 
Gear box (including rear differential). The car milage is honestly 
unknown? I do now it is over 100K."


From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 15:51:26 2008
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <BLU127-W5448459576FDBDA1AA381C8CD30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 
Has anyone on the FoT list tried the Kirkey 41301V seat in the TR-6?
 
This Kirkey part umber has a vinyl cover and what looks like padding in the
photographs, so I am hoping that it will not be too uncomfortable for the
occasional street drive.  What ever I put in to replace my tattered Corbeaus
will need to provide lots of lateral support, because my car is primarily used
for auto-X.
 
Jim Prettyleaf
 


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Shane Ingate <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata Seat Conversion for Triumphs
To: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:42 PM

Greg Lund wrote:

> Corbeau Clubman seats fit easily and weigh about 18 lbs. Street
> seats have plenty of "road holding weight".

I tried fitting Corbeau Clubmans before going with the 914 seats.
I found that the shoulder "ears" (or whatever you call those
things that keep your upper body in place) fouled with the B post.
The only way around it was to move the seat inwards towards the
driveshaft tunnel (which increases the offset to the pedals) or
bending the "ear" to provide clearance.  I did not want to own
the seats, so I did not do the bendy-thing.

There is zero chance of fitting Corbeau Clubmans (I tried the
"narrow"
style - there is a larger version for those with larger posteriors)
in both driver and passenger locations, again because of interference
between the "ears".

Kirkey aluminum seats fit well, but are lousy for those 500-mile days.

Shane Ingate in NM


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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 16:11:39 2008
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] piston rings Gone ....
Message-ID: <309866.68943.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dennis DeLap, was the first to respond, so I'll be sending them to him ... still dont know exactly which piston they fit, but I hope they'll do you some good Dennis...


Tom

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#4 white spitfire

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] piston rings
To: fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:15 PM

CHEAP ... IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THEM ...
  Got tired of looking at them, threw them away, and just took them back out
of the garbage in case someone knows what they are or can use them ...
  I have a box of rings made by Goetze "Passform" piston rings here. 
They are
marked for spit or GT6 2.0 ltr. and there are 4 complete ring sets (4 pistons
worth).
  The markings on the box are as follows...
triumph 2 ltr, 2000/Vitesse spitfire, GT6. 
Standard
part no 3709ES
74.68x1.99x1.99x3,947 mm.
 
  In two places the box also has handwritten, the number 15456.....
 
  Other than this, I have no idea what piston this is for ... stock, venolia
...  xxx ???  If anyone wants them, $5.00 for my time to box and ship, and the
cost of shipping and they are yours ...  otherwise, they go back in the
garbage can ...
 
  anyone?????
 
 
 
  Other than


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire
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From billbab at mac.com  Sun Nov  2 00:13:56 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Piston to Wall clearance Now Vincent Black Shadow
In-Reply-To: <9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
References: <20282DD9-CF89-4E7F-9DF4-13734753FB2D@earthlink.net>
	<9ED5D585-1644-4E7B-BF7C-3392B6CFC5AD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <A67F75B8-B7CB-4DE7-9969-64E457BB9C8D@mac.com>

I mis-spoke. I picked my Vincent up today from the guy who rebuilt it,  
and discovered he replaced the rings. the plan was to re-use them, but  
he decided against it. He re-used the pistons, but ditched the rings.  
It's been at other people's shops for way too long. I'm looking  
forward to finishing up the little nits that still need to be  
corrected and doing some riding on it. It's a great bike.

There's some shots on Peyote's and Nero's site: http://www.allaluminumtour.com/

On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> My old (1950) Vincent Black Shadow has uncounted miles on the  
> pistons and rings, mostly with a pretty marginal air cleaner. It got  
> a complete teardown recently because the bottom end was noisy. But  
> other than refurbing guides, grinding valves and replacing the  
> bottom end bearings, pretty much everything went back in for another  
> 58 year round. The rings were worn a little, especially near the  
> gap, but they were sealing perfectly and had perfect tension. No  
> sign of blowby on the piston skirts, no overheating of the rings. I  
> could have replaced them for not much money, but chose not to. Not  
> because of the cost (trivial, compared to the labor--tearing down a  
> vincent is a MAJOR piece of work) but because they were working  
> well. In my experience you have more problems getting sliding parts  
> to bed properly than any wear issue. And while they are bedding, hot  
> gasses are blowing down the piston wall, overheating the rings and  
> annealing them.


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 09:26:41 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com>
	<3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com>
	<BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl>
	<002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>
	<FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>

I decided to go with  1 1/2" SU's for my Spit 1300 over Weber side 
drafts, but I'm having some issues with them.
The SU's are from an MGB and I rebuilt them with new jet assemblies, new 
gaskets and set the floats to a level position.
Per Joe Curto's advice I'm using early spitfire float assemblies to put 
them in a level position compared to the MGB.
The intake manifold is the British version made for 1 1/2" carbs. I'm 
running a race cam purchased from Ted at TSI and a Stahl header.

The problems I'm having are:

    * The front carb (last one in line to get fuel) starts to leak gas
      from the main jet when the engine is shut down. I'm assuming the
      float needle valve is not holding against fuel pressure.
          o The pump is a holley red electric and pressure is reduced to
            _3 1/2-4 psi_ at the pressure regulator. _Is that too much
            pressure for an SU?_
    * Another problem is resistance in the vacuum pistons from dropping
      completely. No matter how much I polish up the piston and bore It
      hangs up about 1/4' from the lowest positon. It does drop when I
      stroke the dashpot. This makes it hard to sych the carbs.
    * I'm running a bit on the rich side since the carbs were tuned for
      a 1.8L B engine but thought I could lean it out with the needle
      adjustments.
    * What viscosity is generally used in the dashpot? I used some
      10w30w oil I had around.
    * Is their any _online_ tuning guide for SU carbs out there?

Any advice would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer running, working out the problems


Bill Babcock wrote:
> I agree, SU's are really pretty carbs, especially when they are  
> polished. I"m building a street TR3 and it will absolutely have SUs,  
> though in most other respects it will be Peyote in TR3 clothing.
> On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Steven Preiss wrote:
>
>   
>> I just like the look of the SUs in there. And the cork gaskets that  
>> don't
>> leak if renewed periodically, and the thumb sized jet nuts you can  
>> turn half
>> a flat with your hand to adapt to seasonal or elevation changes. And  
>> those
>> big aluminum dashpots with their own dipsticks! (Nobody would ever  
>> mistake
>> those for EFI!)
>> This, along with the rest of the package helps me keep in touch with  
>> my
>> agrarian roots, and makes me feel very happy.
>> STeve P.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard at msn.com>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carbs
>>
>>
>>     
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun Nov  2 09:54:59 2008
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
References: <OF9553EF99.02DE4CE4-ON852574F2.00674F67-852574F2.00685710@us.ibm.com><3F97E2B0-59C3-4FEA-A083-0BF45E0C4B21@bnj.com><BAY116-DS7DD953162225477ADD969C3200@phx.gbl><002901c93adb$b92a3650$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27><FBF9649D-362E-4E14-8F7D-481AA1B7C120@bnj.com>
	<490DD4C1.80904@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS6F966B18B03C4069ED277C3220@phx.gbl>

Get that fuel pressure down to 2psi.  The Holley Red is overkill on a 1300 cc
engine.

You need to centralize the jets, that is why the piston is sticking.

Back off the jet holder nut (not the adjusting nut) till the piston falls
freely, then retighten.  Check it again, repeat as necessary till the pistons
have totally free movement.

No way to adjust the mixture accurately untill the pistons work properly.

Terry Stetler


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 12:03:06 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
Message-ID: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>

Wow !!
Thanks for the fast response

I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that both 
had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without 
interference.

Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.

Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
backing off the adjusting stud.

Thanks Glenn Franco
72 spit race car finding one problem after another.


From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov  2 12:34:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <108CD067-51DD-4FDA-AFE5-FBACB451B84F@bnj.com>

I'd recommend a good fuel pressure regulator.

On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Glenn Franco wrote:

> Wow !!
> Thanks for the fast response
>
> I found a slightly bent needle on one of the carbs and noticed that  
> both had witness marks from coming in contact with the jet.
> Polished the needles with 600 grit and the pistons now drop without  
> interference.
>
> Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut  
> down.
>
> Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it  
> by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
> Thanks Glenn Franco
> 72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 12:55:48 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:55:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>

You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock 
style needle valves can handle more pressure.

- Tony

At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>
>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it 
>by backing off the adjusting stud.
>
>Thanks Glenn Franco
>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 13:08:07 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:08:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>

That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at 4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car finding one problem after another.
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 13:29:22 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:29:22 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
Message-ID: <d2c.3e884d6a.363f67a2@aol.com>

I just tossed a pair of Grose jets out of the Jag cuz one would often fail  
to seal.  Problem since they were new that I don't have anymore.  I  think I 
literally tossed them I was so disgusted;-))
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:08:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
budscars at comcast.net writes:

That's  something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
alleviate  sticking
thanks
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message -----  
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Glenn Franco"  <gaf3 at charter.net>
Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:  Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now  SU Questions


> You should run the stock style needle valves and  not the "grose jet" 
> valves which are operated using little ball  bearings.  The stock style 
> needle valves can handle more  pressure.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 01:03 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn  Franco wrote:
>>Both carbs flood, 110 octane running out of the air  horn when shut down.
>>
>>Measured fuel pump pressure is at  4psi. I'm going to try an lower it by 
>>backing off the adjusting  stud.
>>
>>Thanks Glenn Franco
>>72 spit race car  finding one problem after another.
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 13:36:46 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net>
	<490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
Message-ID: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>

Thanks All
I reduced fuel pump pressure to something less than 3 1/2 psi and the 
leaking stopped. The float needle valves are stock not grose jets.
The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. What 
fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range of ~ 
3 1/2 to 6 psi.

Removed, polished (very little)the main needles and the vacuum pistons 
now drop freely.

Thanks all for the help

Glenn Franco
72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.

RACER BUD wrote:
> That's something i didn't know..most people go to the gross jets to 
> alleviate sticking
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Glenn Franco" <gaf3 at charter.net>
> Cc: "Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov  2 15:05:28 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:05:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions
In-Reply-To: <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits>
	<490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net> <490DF96A.2030505@charter.net>
	<20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net>
	<1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud> <490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081102220545.52E0D187880@autox.team.net>

The reliable combination that Uncle Jack and I arrived at after much 
experimentation was a Holley Blue pump with an appropriate Holley 
regulator.  You can get a kit with the pump and regulator.  There are 
two pressure ranges for the regulator - you want the one that allows 
you to set it to 2-3 psi.  The problem that most regulators have is 
that there's not enough pressure differential between the input and 
the output to reliable actuate the internal mechanism.  The Holley 
Blue puts out about 15 psi, so the regulator has something to work 
with.  Several folks have solved high rpm fuel problems by switching 
to this arrangement.  One switched from the Holley Red to the Holley 
Blue and his high speed issues went away.

We were able to get away with 5 psi on 1 3/4" SU's, but not with 
Grose jets.  My Webers leak fuel at anything over about 2.5 psi.

This isn't in response to a problem you're currently having, but it's 
good to keep in mind if you're going to replace components.

- Tony Drews

At 02:36 PM 11/2/2008, Glenn Franco wrote:
>The fuel pressure regulator is  a holley with an adjusting stud. 
>What fuel pressure regulators do you guys recommend? The fuel pressure
>regulator wasn't as adjustable as I expected it to be with a range 
>of ~ 3 1/2 to 6 psi.
>
>Thanks all for the help
>
>Glenn Franco
>72 spit racer on to carb synchronizing.


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  2 16:22:54 2008
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:22:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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Clear Day
I would like to remove my name from the FOT list due to overwhelming number of
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Please remove janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net

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From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 19:41:03 2008
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:41:03 EST
Subject: [Fot] Please Remove
Message-ID: <d01.42295e59.363fbebf@aol.com>

I as well, would like to be removed from the Fot Mailing list. 
The forum is a wonderful place for information, but the overwhelming amount 
I guess what I consider repetitive or redundant information has become to  
much.
 
  Please do not take this for anything more then what it is, this is a  
wonderful group of men and women sharing idea's and help. but I no longer have a  
British car so much of the info is falling on deaf ears 
   Thanks again see you all at the track 
 
    Doug Karon past Ambro 001 owner 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Mon Nov  3 06:53:00 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 5:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT6 exhaust
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1225306802.22450.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081103085300.D8Y5H.797890.root@mp12>

Rimmer Brothers in England does a nice stainless steel system...

rimmerbros.com

Bobby


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov  3 09:23:13 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:23:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when 
some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or 
less a "drop in".

I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want 
to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the 
street just for the addition cushioning.

If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the 
end of the day.

rml
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From gsfuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 09:34:46 2008
From: gsfuqua1 at aol.com (gsfuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
References: <877795.37173.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811031120340.29133@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0BE9377C33BE-C48-683@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com>

Have to agree with Robert on this.? Nice seat for racing but for street?? I wouldn't.? There is a big difference in running a 15 or 20 minute race and a day long trip somewhere.

Cheers,

Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO


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Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kirkey 41301V Seat Conversion for TR-6


Hi,?
?
I have one of those for my race car... I have an 18" wide unit for when some of my "larger" friends wish to drive the car. The seat was more or less a "drop in".?
?
I don't know how comfortable it would be on the street, but you might want to add some softer foam (maybe two inches) for when you drive on the street just for the addition cushioning.?
?
If you drove a long distance with that setup, you'd be peeing blood at the end of the day.?
?
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:07:09 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
Message-ID: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Warning OT- Old Brit Bike memories


> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 14:06:51 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-  Old Brit Bike memories
In-Reply-To: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
References: <004401c93de7$5f4d2200$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BB840A88AA4C48F5A101D1A892A6617B@richardiipc>

Bob,

My motorcycle encyclopedia notes the Rapide as having 45 hp; the Black
Shadow w/ 55. In sanctioned competition this is significant. However in the
car-versus-motorcycle street racing event, I would suspect that skill, dumb
luck and the youthful dismissive concept of mortality are much bigger
determinants than hp. 

> Bill Babcock(OT)
>
> You aroused my memory mentioning a Vincent Black Shadow. This is going
back
> to 1956 in Holland. I was returning to Germany in my TR2, after being at a
> race at Zandvort.  I came upon a Vincent and he did not cotton to me
passing
> him, so we went at it.  Across Holland for many of miles. Right angle
corner
> to right angle corner.  The only way I could get edge on him was 5000
grand
> and hit to OD in ever gear.  It was a ball!!  Fond memories.   I suspect
it
> was a Rapid, not a Black Shadow, or I would not have had a chance.  Thank
> you for bringing back the memories.
> Bob Johns
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 18:49:48 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:49:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



Gary


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:36:08 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAE1EKvG+ln9Jn06EW5CjdZcBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I run 22mm at front and 17mm at rear. My springs are stock items. I lowered
the front as you did and the rear with fitting shims between spring and
axle. I don't set the car too flat cornering, I like it waving around and
the lean over. Good at wet races too.

Chris

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2008 02:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] sway bars

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:15:49 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:15:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <001c01c93e1f$9f388700$dda99500$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
> has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
> leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
> negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
> cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
> minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

What are your corner weights?

That makes a difference in the size of the bars - how much weight are you 
transferring?

As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I use a 
7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

> Gary

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 08:42:24 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:42:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041013330.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>

> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I 
> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.

Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
for a TR4.

Randall


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:51:00 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering).

> Randall

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:08:00 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:08:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8CB0CAEA4D29C02-F80-760@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
links, are factors to consider as well.
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Randall wrote:

>> As a point of reference, my TR6 weighs 1980 pounds (+/-), I
>> use a 7/8"front bar from Goodparts.
>
> Where the bar attaches to the front suspension also makes a 
difference.
> Richard at Goodparts said he could bend a TR3 bar for me that would 
attach
> at the outer bolt instead of the center (as the ADDCO one does) 
making it
> more effective for the same bar diameter; presumably he could do the 
same
> for a TR4.

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars 
run
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway
engineering).

> Randall

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:11:19 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11:19 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & end 
> links, are factors to consider as well.
> 

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were MUCH 
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

Bill Dentinger



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From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 09:22:52 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:22:52 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
References: <20081104154224.NDKL18472.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall>
Message-ID: <B7C35F90-CC90-48F5-97CF-EAA6EDB6A86E@bnj.com>

Now that I've lost my skid pad (industrial park was sold) I'm going to  
have to pay a lot more attention to suspension modeling. A sway bar is  
such an important element of handling. In the past I've fiddled with  
the adjustment a lot and it's easy to see on a skid pad how much it  
affects understeer and oversteer. I never cared about how much the  
nose or tailed rolled, I just care how fast I can go around that  
circle. You can transition from understeer to neutral to oversteer  
with just a little sway bar adjustment. I don't know how a bar could  
just be bolted on and work right.

Bill Babcock
Babcock & Jenkins
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 09:38:34 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>

"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"

...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!

Glen

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To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars

In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
fubog1 at aol.com writes:


> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting & 
end
> links, are factors to consider as well.
>

We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
MUCH
happier when they removed their rear sway bars.

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 09:57:18 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>

Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as 
you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering 
axle splines, bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting 
bite on the rear suspension is generally  making it softer not harder which 
a rear bar will do.  There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear 
bar mod and been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get 
it right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar 
adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various courses.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> "happier when they removed their rear sway bars"
>
> ...yes Bill I know several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!
>
> Glen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:11 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
> In a message dated 11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,
> fubog1 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &
> end
>> links, are factors to consider as well.
>>
>
> We also might mention that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were 
> MUCH
> happier when they removed their rear sway bars.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Nov  4 10:07:18 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:07:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> 
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W3276ECD35BA97B812D1CABB21C0@phx.gbl>

On a few of the cars I build, I like to use sprint car torsion bars as sway
bars. The mounts and arms stay the same and there a lots of bar diameters
available in solid and gun drilled.
> From: kaskas at cox.net> To: BillDentin at aol.com; lang at isis.mit.edu;
tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fubog1 at aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800> CC:
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > Stiffening the rear
suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate situation as > you have no
provision for negative camber (well, yes you can, but tapering > axle splines,
bending the housing and all that is a chore) and thus getting > bite on the
rear suspension is generally making it softer not harder which > a rear bar
will do. There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear > bar mod and
been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get > it right.
Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear bar > adjustable
can give a few more options in handling for various courses.> ----- Original
Message ----- > From: <fubog1 at aol.com>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>;
<lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>> Sent:
Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> > > >
"happier when they removed their rear sway bars"> >> > ...yes Bill I know
several TR-3 drivers who have that t-shirt!> >> > Glen> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: BillDentin at aol.com> > To: Fubog1 at aol.com;
lang at isis.mit.edu; tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > Cc: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue,
4 Nov 2008 11:11 am> > Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars> >> > In a message dated
11/04/2008 10:08:33 AM Central Standard Time,> > fubog1 at aol.com writes:> >> >>
>> We probably should add that chassis flex, & type of bar mounting &> > end>
>> links, are factors to consider as well.> >>> >> > We also might mention
that some TR3 races (John Harkness, for one) were > > MUCH> > happier when
they removed their rear sway bars.> >> > Bill Dentinger> >> >> >> >
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 10:31:11 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:31:11 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Sway Bars
Message-ID: <001001c93ea3$21def120$659cd360$@racer@comcast.net>

Thanks guys for all the suggestions on sway bars, etc.  I now have a list of
things to check and consider but I suppose that what winter projects are all
about.

 

Gary

 

1962 TR4


From Malaboge at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 10:49:35 2008
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:49:35 EST
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
Message-ID: <cbc.305597e7.3641e52f@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/08 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

I am currently racing my 1962 TR4 with a > ADDCO front sway bar, the car
has been lowered approx. 2 (removed front spring spacer, de-arched rear
leaf springs), runs on Hoosier Speedster tires (185/65R15) with zero
negative camber and find the car leans over at a pretty good angle while
cornering.  I am considering trying a larger diameter front sway bar to help
minimize the lean.  Any thoughts as to a suitable diameter?  Thanks.

Gary-

As I recall you have a sway bar with a fairly long lever arm...at least 8" or
so. The lever arm length effects the roll rate as well as the diameter, so
comparing diameters will not always tell the complete story. The way the bar
is
mounted and fastened to the suspension also has a big influence on the rate.
A solid mount on a .8" bar is approximately the same as a rubber mount on a 1"
bar.  Solid mounts (Heim joints or the like) at the suspension end mounts of
the bar realize a similar rate effect.  The width of a bar has a smaller
effect on the rate, but be aware that the narrower bar of similar sizes will
have a
higher rate.  (Also a narrow bar with short lever arms will weigh less).
Finally the placement of the attachment of the bar to the suspension arm has a
big effect, not on the bar itself, but rather what forces are received to the
chassis of the vehicle.  The closer you can connect the bar to the trunion,
the
larger the lever arm through which the bar has an effect and restricts
movement.

Without going into the spring rates which obviously have no effect on sway
bar rates, but complement the size of the sway bar required, what bar rates
are
the best?
Start with the narrowest bar that you can fit.
Use all solid type mounts.
Attach it as close to the wheel as possible.
Use the shortest lever arm as possible.

Remember that the stiffness of a bar (all else remaining the same) increases
with the diameter to the fourth power.  That is a 1" bar is 16 times as stiff
as a .5" bar.  The lever arm effect is less but more direct, a 6" lever is
twice as stiff as a 12" lever arm.

So how does that relate to your TR4?

Well the bar realistically cannot be hung under the frame rails as it would
be too low and be removed at the first bump.  Mounting the bar on the top of
the frame rails could be done, but there are just too many parts in the way.
Fortunately the front of your frame is just about right.  A bar mounted at the
front will have lever arms of approximately 5 "to 6".  Make an aluminum plate
similar to the factory radiator shield between the two frame rails, but
position it forward just enough to allow solid mounts to be bolted to it. (The
factory steel piece is too close to the radiator).  Curve the lever arms (for
tire
clearance when turning) so that they roughly follow the lower a-arm and attach
them at the outermost bolt that mounts the spring pan to the a-arm.  (A
sliding mount here will make a nice adjustable bar as well).  Use 6150 steel
(or
4130) and heat treat it when in final form.  Its been a while since I made any
bars, but I recall that you want to have about a 62 on the C scale Rockwell
hardness on them.

You state that the car may have stock springs in it.  If so, these really are
too light, but if you continue with them I would suggest about a 15/16" to 1"
bar.  If you have the old left hand wound factory springs which were about
310 lbs/inch rate, probably about 15/16".  Stiffer springs up to about 500
lbs/inch I would suggest about 7/8" bar.  There are PERSONAL OPINIONS here and
in
no way will be correct for many setups, but seem to be in the ballpark for
me!

You didn't mention a rear bar and so I will not open that "bag-o-worms".

Never one to "Sway" anyone's beliefsb&
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Tue Nov  4 15:19:14 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:19:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Right - the issue is: what wheel rate do you need? This is of course 
related to the corner weight and the weight transfer.

I also wanted to mention that some of the folks that use hollow-bars run 
bars that are quite a bit larger diameter (like 1.25" speedway 
engineering)

rml

Those are what I run on my TR6 SCCA car but I use 9" slicks. I can adjust
them by shortening or lengthening the lever arm or going to a thicker or
thinner wall center tube. I adjusted the bars a lot in the beginning but
haven't changed them in the last ten years or so. I have tried to disconnect
the rear bar per some peoples suggestions but found that the car would not
turn in like I like it to. I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
from solid axle cars.

Mike Munson
#28 EP TR6
Corvette City, Ky.


From Billb at bnj.com  Tue Nov  4 16:21:17 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:21:17 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
Message-ID: <87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>

I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  
was setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  
the car stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  
little damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  
rear springs but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  
would understeer while the back end stepped out as if it was  
oversteering. I went as soft as I dared with the rear spring, you can  
hit the stops by standing in the seat and bouncing. Works great.
On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate  
> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  
> you can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  
> is a chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  
> generally  making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   
> There are a couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  
> been very successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  
> right. Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  
> bar adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  
> courses.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


From andre at gt6.ca  Tue Nov  4 19:29:26 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] High Speed Idle Update
Message-ID: <0829C3AD-63B0-4026-B7F5-F5EB28657FCC@gt6.ca>

So, I took the advice from the group and made more gaskets for my carbs.

The leak was between the intake manifold and the TT adaptor plate for  
my HS6's.

Seen here, http://www.gt6.ca/08/0405/slides/DSCN3425.html

I could see old fuel stains. I removed the carbs, then the TT plates,  
cleaned everything up and set about making some new gaskets.

I used my ported intake as it was handy on my bench.

Once the new ones were fabbed up, I check my clearances with the  
fitted carbs and TT plates.

This time I also used some locktite to secure everything.

Question, I used a thin cork for this new gasket, when I finally fit  
the new intake and a heat shield, should make yet another set of  
gaskets between the plate and shield. Should I use a thinner material?

Oh the results. She started right up, almost no choke and idled at 1K  
very nicely. Before that there was lots of choke, she was surging up  
and down and if you blipped the gas she'd die. Oh and nothing below  
1500 would last long.

I will re-check the carbs and do another balance job for good measure.

Thanks.

A.

--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov  4 19:30:47 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:30:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu>
	<E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20081105023056.361331878ED@autox.team.net>

Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid 
rear axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not 
so great for 100 MPH sweepers.

- Tony Drews

At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>from solid axle cars.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 20:25:39 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811041048380.31990@isis.mit.edu><E1KxUF1-00055P-0c@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20081105023056.361331878ED@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8C2184B043E341ED8EDC4DAA0C6CB12A@DadsComputer>

FWIW I am running quite successfully with the GoodParts TR6 swaybars, front 
and rear, on my TR4A. I know that I have some tuning to do as I am lifting 
the inside front wheels off the ground on occasion.

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Bingo.  The folks with IRS seem to favor a rear bar, with my solid rear 
> axle I did myself a favor by removing it.  Great for auto-x, not so great 
> for 100 MPH sweepers.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 04:19 PM 11/4/2008, Mike Munson wrote:
>>I think the IRS cars are quite a bit different
>>from solid axle cars.
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Wed Nov  5 01:16:25 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:25 -0000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
	<87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>

Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
said on testing and getting it right.

Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but the 
side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very bouncy at 
the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on smooth 
tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont seem able 
to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe its time to 
try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg of sand in the 
boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and coating the 
leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.

If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure rate 
is way too high to live with at the moment.

Best regards

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little damping 
>control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs but it 
>made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer while 
>the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft as I 
>dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the seat 
>and bouncing. Works great.
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>
>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally  making 
>> it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a couple of 
>> fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very successful, but 
>> it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. Dearching the rear 
>> springs is a start, then having the rear  bar adjustable can give a few 
>> more options in handling for various  courses.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 17:00:23 2008
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:00:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com><8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com><C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC><87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
	<0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>
Message-ID: <001101c93fa2$ab698180$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31>

Tony,
To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's method - 
TUNE TO WIN page 157.
Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly clamping 
them together.  I did and it works.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


> Hi all ..... just a little more experience on this, echoing what Kas has 
> said on testing and getting it right.
>
> Ive just fitted some deeper springs to give some extra ride height, but 
> the side effect is additional stiffness which is making the car very 
> bouncy at the rear .... and very hard to control on thr rough, better on 
> smooth tarmac. Even my twin valve adjustable DAS9 Armstrong shocks dont 
> seem able to cope ...... which may be a function of the piston size. Maybe 
> its time to try the MGB type DAS 10's ? Im also running around with 100kg 
> of sand in the boot to try to get the springs to settle down a little, and 
> coating the leaves with PTFE to get them to move better.
>
> If it works out ill pass on the knowledge and the settings on Beasty .... 
> currently if my softer rear springs didnt have a habit of winding up and 
> bending / twisting on full throttle id stick with them, but my failure 
> rate is way too high to live with at the moment.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
> To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
>
>
>>I know, Kas, you've seen how soft Peyote's rear suspension is. When I  was 
>>setting the car up I found the softer the rear end was the better  the car 
>>stuck. I think part of that is  Armstrong shocks provide so  little 
>>damping control a soft spring is necessary. I tried stiffer  rear springs 
>>but it made the car almost uncontrollable. The front end  would understeer 
>>while the back end stepped out as if it was  oversteering. I went as soft 
>>as I dared with the rear spring, you can  hit the stops by standing in the 
>>seat and bouncing. Works great.
>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>>
>>> Stiffening the rear suspension on a beam axle car is a delicate 
>>> situation as you have no provision for negative camber (well, yes  you 
>>> can, but tapering axle splines, bending the housing and all that  is a 
>>> chore) and thus getting bite on the rear suspension is  generally 
>>> making it softer not harder which a rear bar will do.   There are a 
>>> couple of fellows that have done this rear bar mod and  been very 
>>> successful, but it does take a bunch of testing to get it  right. 
>>> Dearching the rear springs is a start, then having the rear  bar 
>>> adjustable can give a few more options in handling for various  courses.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fubog1 at aol.com>
>>> To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <lang at isis.mit.edu>; <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars
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From billbab at mac.com  Wed Nov  5 22:34:45 2008
From: billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:45 -1000
Subject: [Fot] sway bars
In-Reply-To: <A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
References: <c4a.3e02f895.3641ce27@aol.com>
	<8CB0CB2E9B7D58E-F80-9E9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com>
	<C4EC5ADC10954E6993FE115F84B5309B@KasPC>
	<87E8684F-6359-4F84-984F-1BACCC53030D@bnj.com>
	<0828D8EC79E2431699CC94920A807D28@PBA.INT>
	<001101c93fa2$ab698180$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<A28181B8-4CFB-406D-A132-C982331DF4E0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <79BD2CCD-2164-4EF1-A2BE-D6E1CBE65547@mac.com>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> Interesting idea, I can certainly see how that would make the spring  
> less likely to tramp or roll up. Same idea as one piece composite  
> springs.
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Stutzman wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>> To get rid of axle tramp without track rods, try Carroll Smith's  
>> method - TUNE TO WIN page 157.
>> Turn the front half of the leaf springs into track rods by tightly  
>> clamping them together.  I did and it works.
>> Bruce
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" <tr4.tony at virgin.net>
>> To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>; "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
>> Cc: <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] sway bars


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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 15:14:29 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 A-Arms
Message-ID: <001501c9405d$0a5e7af0$1f1b70d0$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

Anyone have a set of upper A-Arms (left and right side) for a TR4 they could
part with.  Contact me off list.  Thanks.

 

Gary 

 

1962 TR4


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  6 17:22:10 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Very good historic car site
Message-ID: <570286.40400.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's: the members of another list I belong to turned me on to this site. http://tamsoldracecarsite.net/
Some great shots of historic cars. Sorry, no Triumphs, but I thought you all might enjoy it. 
- Ed -


From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Nov  7 05:09:09 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DA8@server.Triumph.local>

I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from
LA Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
scored liner. I called Ken, he is out of stock.

I have several used ones that went several seasons, but was hoping
someone has a new one they would be willing to sell me. Or if you have a
set you don't want to break up, I guess I would take that as well.

I am planning on getting the engine back together to run Roebling Road
with VDCA next month, so I can't wait for Ken to restock.

Ken is well stocked with 89's, but no 87's at the moment.

Thanks gang!

Henry Frye


From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Nov  7 09:57:08 2008
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Do we have a member in Dallas / Ft Worth?
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330811070857k79fec09cs4076bf6169e379b8@mail.gmail.com>

I may need some help from a fellow FOT with regard to a soft top I purchased
on ebay that is suddenly (after purchase) being described as coming with the
frame (which I very much do not need). The vendor is not willing to only
send the soft top and is trying to hit me for $150 to ship the whole mess...


From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri Nov  7 10:52:31 2008
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:52:31 EST
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VDCA Roebling Road Season Finale
Message-ID: <bf7.4a3c4956.3645da5f@aol.com>

Yes, the Triumph ghetto will be erected on last time in 2008. We will be at  
the VDCA Season Finale at Roebling Road December 12-14. Everyone knows the  
fastest way to a racer's heart is through their stomach and this event is no  
slouch. Saturday's Pig Picken' and Oyster Roast are unparalleled. The TR gang  
will also host our famous invitation-only party Friday night featuring  Rob 
Deanes' famous fish fry, in addition to our land-lubber fare.
 
Oh, if racing is your real motivation, then you should know that the track  
time at this event is second to none. The track, repaved a year or so ago,  
provides exciting sweepers that keep the adrenaline pumping. All for a $250  
entry fee.
 
So, change the oil, pump up the tires and smell the aroma of 110 octane one  
last time in '08. Come down to Roebling in December! 
 
Entry form _http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf_ 
(http://www.vintagedrive.com/VDCAFinaleEntry08.pdf) 
 
Don Marshall
Dean Tetterton
Leo Oddi
 
 
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From igofaster at charter.net  Fri Nov  7 20:35:55 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] member in Dallas Fort Worth
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1226084401.5553.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081107223555.J75W1.23410.root@mp20>

I'm in Weatherford Texas, west of Fort Worth about 30 miles...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net

1970 GT6 CVAR #54 Yellow


From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Nov  8 04:49:54 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Nov  8 09:07:41 2008
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>

I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not #4. 
I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember 
correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm.  
I use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler 
gauge in next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure 
the piston skirt was not collapsed?
Larry

Henry Frye wrote:
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Nov  8 09:21:16 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:21:16 -0800
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<4915B94D.2060409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W18B6AFAC533E49CD5704C4B2180@phx.gbl>

Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
_______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Nov  8 09:24:52 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

WhaT clearance value we are talking about?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Henry Frye
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.

Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
machine
shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves in
the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but no
metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
when
hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
clearance.

Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to
the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.

So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the
board...

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Frye
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 13:13:21 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:13:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Elmer Peters TR4 race car
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <20081108201321.Q6D0W.40568.root@hrndva-web27-z01>

Anyone ever heard of Elmre Peters? I just picked up his old TR4 race car in Dayton Ohio with a bunch of spares. All they could tell me was that they thought he moved to Ohio with the car from California. It's a maroon TR4 with full cage, and since it is on slicks it must have been driven in SCCA events. I Googled him but got no hits.

Bob Kramer, Austin TX 


From spreiss at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 22:40:45 2008
From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:40:45 +1100
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
References: <000501c94198$209ca5b8$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAFG9BarY93lPuz6yOMv/a4IBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94164$8c8dad40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27>

Perhaps it would be worth it to mic each piston and sleeve to check for
variations, which may account for the irrational occurance of the problem
among cylinders. An .0005" larger diameter piston and a .0005" narrower bore
from honing
at the critical location could make the difference under extreme heat. Also
buildup on the inside of the water jacket. Also
the type of piston being used. (Long or short skirt. Forged or cast), etc,
etc.
steve P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed


> WhaT clearance value we are talking about?
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Henry Frye
> Gesendet: Samstag, 8. November 2008 12:50
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> Many thanks to Joe Boruch, I am all set partswise.
>
> Interesting follow-up, I brought the offending liner and piston to my
> machine
> shop and they said I overheated that jug. The piston had a black spot 90
> degrees from the crankpin, halfway up the skirt that matched the grooves
in
> the liner. The opposite side of the piston showed a little scuffing, but
no
> metal transfer yet. That is the area of the piston that expands the most
> when
> hot. Apparently, I was running insufficient piston to cylinder wall
> clearance.
>
> Here's the kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest
to
> the water pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.
>
> So we are going to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across
the
> board...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
>
> I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one
> Fot mailing list
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:17:15 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081917u4379450v2cab628bf7dfdfee@mail.gmail.com>

Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new piece of
kit from work and went for a drive.

http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
A.

-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 20:24:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:24:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>

FOT,

I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our production methods at John Deere.

It controls the shape at the skirt.

Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.

The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.

The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE IT.

The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.

Joe Alexander

    

>Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a torque plate !
>The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never had a problem
>since > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:07:41 -0600> From: cartravel at pobox.com> To:
>henry at henryfrye.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> > I've had this happen more than once. My last problem was with #3 not
>#4. > I always add at least 0.001 to the recommended clearance. If I remember
>> correctly, Wiseco recommends 0.003 for the 87mm and 0.004 for the 89mm. > I
>use 0.005 for both and always check it by sliding an 0.005 feeler > gauge in
>next to the fat part of the piston. Did you check to make sure > the piston
>skirt was not collapsed?> Larry> > Henry Frye wrote:> > Many thanks to Joe
>Boruch, I am all set partswise.> >> > Interesting follow-up, I brought the
>offending liner and piston to my machine> > shop and they said I overheated
>that jug. The piston had a black spot 90> > degrees from the crankpin, halfway
>up the skirt that matched the grooves in> > the liner. The opposite side of
>the piston showed a little scuffing, but no> > metal transfer yet. That is the
>area of the piston that expands the most when> > hot. Apparently, I was
>running insufficient piston to cylinder wall> > clearance.> >> > Here's the
>kicker, this happened to the front cylinder, number 1, closest to> > the water
>pump. The last place I would expect to overheat a jug.> >> > So we are going
>to open up the piston to wall clearance some more across the> > board...> >> >
>-----Original Message-----> > From: Henry Frye> > Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner
>needed> >> > I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one> >
>_______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net
>http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot
>mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> >
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:38:05 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:05 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <08BE60C5.2CDA0F02.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <AE8D574B-A835-4DF7-8605-6B2A6B910A99@bnj.com>

I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
the shape under clamping pressure.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,
>
> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
> production methods at John Deere.
>
> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>
> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>
> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>
> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
> IT.
>
> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>> torque plate !
>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>> had a problem
>> since >


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:40:53 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:45:54 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BB2A7927F04BF4A170A8A819916C7B@Bud>

Can't trust anyone anymore!
RB
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andre Rousseau
  To: RACER BUD ; Friends of Triumph
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
incentive info requested


  Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)


  A.


  2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

    Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
    thanks
    Racer Bud..spitfire #21
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: RACER BUD
    To: fot-request at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
    Subject: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological incentive
info requested


    Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my racer...then
again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken place..Will the
tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
    Thanks
    Racer Bud.



  --
  Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  Ottawa, ON, Canada


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 20:48:24 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:48:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>

Bud,
When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting the
thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
engaged the clutch.  

I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.

So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
psychological incentive info requested

Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
with my restore ;)
A.

2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>

>  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> thanks
> Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> incentive info requested
>
> Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> Thanks
> Racer Bud.
>



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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sat Nov  8 20:49:37 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:49:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
Message-ID: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Andre,
It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
forgotten how much I miss it. 
Thank you for sharing.
Bill
70 GT-6+
  
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new 
> piece of
> kit from work and went for a drive.
> 
> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> A.
> 
> -- 
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> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:51:49 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell housing
bolts.
http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html

A.

2008/11/8 Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

> Bud,
> When I first built Tiny Tim, I used a modified GT6 gearbox with a Spit
> engine and aluminum flywheel.  I had a lot of troubles initially getting
> the
> thing to work right.  In the end it turned out that there was contact
> between the input shaft and the flywheel causing a grinding whine when I
> engaged the clutch.
>
> I took the tranny out and installed it so many times trying to find the
> source of the noise that I finally got to where I could have the thing on
> the floor in 20 minutes all by myself.
>
> So just roll up your sleeves and go for it.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:41 PM
> To: RACER BUD; Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
> psychological incentive info requested
>
> Hah, the answer is no... the trans will not install by itself. I tried that
> with my restore ;)
> A.
>
> 2008/11/8 RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
>
> >  Hi andre..will you forward this to fot?..It gets kicked back to me
> > thanks
> > Racer Bud..spitfire #21
> > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net>
> > *To:* fot-request at autox.team.net
> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:31 PM
> > *Subject:* DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical psychological
> > incentive info requested
> >
> > Dear Dr. Phil Triumph...I busted my Spit's tranny at Infineon last
> > month...I've got extra trannys..I look at them...then look at my
> > racer...then again, and again...The transmission job has still not taken
> > place..Will the tranny go in by itself if I get lazy enough?,
> > Thanks
> > Racer Bud.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 20:53:37 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:53:37 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: DEAR DOCTOR PHIL FOR TRIUMPHS..Technical
 psychological incentive info requested
In-Reply-To: <4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAD7467F72674ED58BE5297B768D377F@Bud>
	<4362ae390811081940kc5ea475xcee2d088c2747429@mail.gmail.com>
	<C82A48276CAD4E0B98770B7BC1C34473@newcomputer>
	<4362ae390811081951u98320d0u536613d5b150211b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F8888D-D22F-43BB-85EA-6F8651337BC8@bnj.com>

Allen screws and a small air wrench.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> The biggest pain in the butt when doing the gearboxes is the bell  
> housing
> bolts.
> http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/111206/slides/DSCN1541.html
>
> A.


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 20:55:51 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811081955q6b56bfacx77fa7aa8f4a85fa0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bill.

I just wish the audio was better, I will have to use a wind sock on the mic
next time.
Lost the sweet sounding 6.

Go figure eh, the car is running its best at the end of the season.

Oh well.

A.

2008/11/8 William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>

> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
> > Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
> > piece of
> > kit from work and went for a drive.
> >
> > http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
> > A.
> >
> > --
> > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> > Ottawa, ON, Canada
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> >
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>



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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 20:56:57 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>

That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> Andre,
> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
> forgotten how much I miss it.
> Thank you for sharing.
> Bill
> 70 GT-6+
>
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>> piece of
>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>
>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>> A.
>>
>> -- 
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>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Nov  8 21:01:59 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate  
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable  
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as  
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our  
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the  
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the  
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE  
>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and  
>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a  
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never  
>>> had a problem
>>> since >


From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 21:11:35 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:11:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
Message-ID: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>

I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't 
miss it at all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> Andre,
>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>> Thank you for sharing.
>> Bill
>> 70 GT-6+
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca> writes:
>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>> piece of
>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>
>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>> A.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:14:10 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:14:10 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <3A3039D9-8939-4BDA-9C28-3A36379A2F71@bnj.com>

I miss it, but I try to do it from a safe distance. Maui is a good  
place to miss snow.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and  
> I don't miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>> That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com 
>> >
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


From andre at gt6.ca  Sat Nov  8 21:16:56 2008
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
In-Reply-To: <087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4362ae390811082016p55731638y1807371fb70bcee0@mail.gmail.com>

True snow country eh...
http://www.justdrive.ca/snow/March2008/slides/DSCN3268b.html

2008/11/8 Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>

> I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I don't
> miss it at all.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>
>
>  That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" <
>> wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>> To: <andre at gt6.ca>
>> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
>>
>>
>>  Andre,
>>> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet. I'd
>>> forgotten how much I miss it.
>>> Thank you for sharing.
>>> Bill
>>> 70 GT-6+
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
>>>> piece of
>>>> kit from work and went for a drive.
>>>>
>>>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
>>>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>>>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From Billb at bnj.com  Sat Nov  8 21:17:04 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:17:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E6B6754C-A8C6-4695-973D-88CC330E1C85@bnj.com>

That would be a great question to ask guys with sophisticated toys. I  
used to get to talk with the guys at Roush every now and then, and ask  
them question like that, but with the Vincent project pretty much  
dead, that access is gone I fear.

On Nov 8, 2008, at 6:01 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the  
> torque plate or head is applied.
>
> perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.
>
> perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.
>
> only conjecture on part. no data.
>
> joe


From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 06:11:30 2008
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
In-Reply-To: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1083D104F674-528-168D@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com>

FWIW I've never been able to get true repeatability with stock liners. 
I suspect that the larger the bore size (89mm+) exacerbates the problem 
since there is less material to support the clamping load.
I've had the best results using Ken Gs LA sleeves, requiring only 
finish honing.
YMMV
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the 
torque plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe

>I may be misunderstanding this, but the whole idea of a torque plate
>is to get a cylindrical shape when the head is torqued. a repeatable
>measured shape with no pressure applied doesn't seem as important as
>the shape under clamping pressure.
>
>On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:24 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>
>> FOT,
>>
>> I have a torque plate, but also have a fixture inspired by our
>> production methods at John Deere.
>>
>> It controls the shape at the skirt.
>>
>> Using the torque plate drove us bonkers getting repeatability.
>>
>> The fixture means that we start with dimensional stability of the
>> liner, at the time of assembly. What happens to the liner after the
>> head goes on, I dont know, but this method has my confidence.
>>
>> The torque plate is available for borrowing, IF ANY FOT WANTS TO USE 

>> IT.
>>
>> The fixture and process equipment is also available for your use and 

>> I have no financial interest in it's operation. I can help 
coordinate.
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had this happen to a couple of engines...I invested in a
>>> torque plate !
>>> The liner will go into a "hourglass" shape when compresse. Never
>>> had a problem
>>> since >
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 18:14:43 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:14:43 EST
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
Message-ID: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>

As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor 
thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old ones for 
spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec is. 
Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun Nov  9 18:49:57 2008
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] OT-- Magazine article about Kas in Sept. Hemmings Sports &
 Exotic Cars
Message-ID: <001e01c942d6$a3a4f060$86a81e62@woh.rr.com>

Hi Kas,
I was trying to get up-to-date on past auto magazines and I ran on to the
great article about you in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Cars, September edition.
It was most interesting to me that you we from Batavia, NY. This past summer
while at a One-Lap event at Mid-Ohio, I spent a good bit of time reminiscing
with Brock Yates and I was surprised that he was from Batavia, me being a
neighbor from Bradford, which is just 16 miles from Olean. Yes, we do know
what snow country is all about.  I don't miss it either.  Northwest Ohio is
not Calif. but it is a vast improvement over the snow belt of western New York
and northwest Penna.

A neighbor of ours here in Ohio is from Lockport and her son-in-law is from
Batavia.

Congratulations on the fine article in Hemmings.  It is certainly very much
deserved.
Bob Johns


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 20:05:00 2008
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors
References: <c9e.3f0772db.3648e503@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A97D94D172E4D889786DB048DAE5CE9@vefadvisors.com>

my shop manual says the minimum thickness for the disc is 0.460, though I 
have run them below that with no warpage at the track.
I don't see a spec for the drum max. ID
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] Specs for GT6 drums and rotors


> As I work on this 1969 GT6 I was wondering what the spec is for rotor
> thickness and rear drum thickness? Figured I could at least save the old 
> ones for
> spares if they were in spec, but haven't been able to find what that spec 
> is.
> Thanks.
>
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 00:03:13 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:03:13 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <d25.3c2c7489.364936b1@aol.com>

Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
 
The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
you race......
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: N197TR4 at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
To: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <1FED7D63.45473248.00159EE9 at cs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I wonder if the shape changes to something different everytime the torque 
plate or head is applied.

perhaps the variations may 'stack up' against you.

perhaps the 'perfect' part minimizes this chance.

only conjecture on part. no data.

joe 


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From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 10:46:24 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] need a TR6 gas tank
Message-ID: <c54.3b4c6fd3.3649cd70@aol.com>

Just pulled the gas tank out of our 1969 TR6. There are way more rust holes 
than I would like and I hate to weld gas tanks. Does any one have an extra one?

Tim Suddard
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 13:26:29 2008
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:26:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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gmt-8 Pacific time

626.358.1616 voice

626.628.3777 fax


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Nov 10 13:28:58 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:28:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811101528110.15583@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Gasket Works USA wrote:

> Not to be conflicting with my interest....

Mes non!

> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

SECOND.

> Mordy

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 10 13:31:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIMEDOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 13:42:16 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:42:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
Message-ID: <625621115-1226349815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1030504228-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

As a second gen TR racer, I'll third.

Steve Belfer
------Original Message------
From: Paul MacDonald
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Gasket Works USA
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Nov 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination..

I'll second that one.....seems that it is in the genes. 

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: November 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:23 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <73C282E8D338459FB57A64CA2DA5CF52@newcomputer>

Mordy,
I would think that he is "Grandfathered in"!

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:26 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] nomination..

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third 
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started 
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and 
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully 
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has 
something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)

Mordy


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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 13:46:43 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:43 -0800
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <A8147E7036964EA49B9A854588F7A44C@KasPC>

Delighted to second the nomination of Aaron, neat young man,. ----- Original 
Message ----- 
From: "Gasket Works USA" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] nomination..


> Not to be conflicting with my interest....
>
> But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
> generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
> in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
> completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
> and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.
>
> His Email is:  (Aaron Dunst)    koolance007 at yahoo.com  (this email has
> something to do with an electronic game of some sort...)
>
> Mordy
>
>
> M.N.Dunst
>
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
>
> gmt-8 Pacific time
>
> 626.358.1616 voice
>
> 626.628.3777 fax
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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Nov 10 14:22:26 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] nomination..
In-Reply-To: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
References: <537487331.4381471226348789134.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <8CB1191900656BC-858-17A@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at verizon.net>

Not to be conflicting with my interest....

But, I would like to nominate my son Aaron to the FOT.  He is a third
generation certified TR racer.  His grandfather Mike Rothschild started
in TR3's.  I started in TR4's and now it is appropriate as he began and
completed his first rookie debut this weekend in a TR6 (-successfully
and without drama.)  Dad and Mom ok.

==AM==
Having had the honor not only of meeting you and Mike, but also to have 
had Mike actually drive my car in an autocross back in '89, I also 
happily second / third / whatever Aaron's nomination!

--Andy Mace

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Mon Nov 10 20:10:36 2008
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim

--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 10 20:21:36 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:21:36 -1000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in  
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear  
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the  
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main  
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new  
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it  
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go  
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 10 20:55:52 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:55:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Torque plate
Message-ID: <26E705C2.18292984.00159EE9@cs.com>

Seems brilliant to me....

of course, few people know you employ an in-house engineering staff of one. You know, the one with prominent whiskers. Wise well beyond his nine lives.

Joe A 

> 
>Some of you may recall that I use a MF Tractor head (sent in error to the 
>Brisbane BL depot) with 4 holes cut in it for the hone to pass through.  The idea 
>was to more accuratly clamp the liners in than with a simple plate.  I also 
>installed the BFE liners fully before honing, and did not remove them after 
>that.  A full National season (or more)  later they were still true.
> 
>The other option is to not run (a) good air filter(s), and "re-hone" them as 
>you race......
> 
>Hardy
> 
>In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Nov 10 21:07:13 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:07:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
Message-ID: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera
 
Ed Barnard

 
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

      -- Thomas Jefferson
 
 
 


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 21:48:00 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:48:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Playing around
References: <20081108.204937.124.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<2EB28A5864B540999D7187E04B4E8FEA@Bud>
	<087617A53A2B4539873D3025FE28106A@KasPC>
Message-ID: <005a01c943b8$adf29710$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Geeze Kas, what's not to miss?
   Three foot dumps any time between late Oct and early Apr?
  The need to use an air chisel or blow torch to get the ice off the
windshield?
  The natural gas meters spinning at dizzying rates?
  The need for a wardrobe that would keep an Eskimo warm?
  Needing snow tires AND regular ones? (And no, all seasons are not just as
good as studded snow beaters!)
  Minimal daylight hours? (Think SAD)
  The maintenance on the plow or snow blower?(You could get a snowmobile for
fun, but if you think your race car takes a lot of TLC,.......)
  Strains, pains, and heart attacks from shoveling snow?
  Getting frostbite from just going to the mailbox?

  Oh well, one of these days I may head south for the winter. Just can't
find a way to drag my 100 acres of land with me.
  Stay warm.
  Happy Veteran's day to all that served. Rememberance Day for our Canadian
friends.
  Bill Tobin  Erie, PA   (Only 5 inches snowfall today!)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
  To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>; <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G
Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around


  > I was raised between Buffalo and Rochester in true snow country and I
don't
  > miss it at all.
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
  > To: <andre at gt6.ca>; "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:56 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  >
  >
  > > That's a beautiful photo...what's your 'Ride'?
  > > Racer Bud
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
  > > To: <andre at gt6.ca>
  > > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
  > > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:49 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Playing around
  > >
  > >
  > >> Andre,
  > >> It has been some time since I have seen that view over the bonnet.
I'd
  > >> forgotten how much I miss it.
  > >> Thank you for sharing.
  > >> Bill
  > >> 70 GT-6+
  > >>
  > >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:17:15 -0500 "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
writes:
  > >>> Had a break in the crappy weather this weekend, strapped on a new
  > >>> piece of
  > >>> kit from work and went for a drive.
  > >>>
  > >>> http://temp.justdrive.ca/CLIP0007.jpg
  > >>>
  > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbpnRIUKhUI
  > >>> A.
  > >>>
  > >>> --
  > >>> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
  > >>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
  > >>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:14:30 2008
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<7611F5B2-4CC6-4404-ACE6-8F2F78BD1A41@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAIeRZyodfo9PpLNBpDeYUm4BAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

You can do if you have an light weight flywheel. With the stock flywheel you
only get the bearing cap out if you have removed the outer edges of the
sealing ring.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. November 2008 04:22
An: J.C. Hassall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal

I don't think so. you can pull the center main with the engine in
place, but I've never figured out a way to pull the seal or the rear
main without pulling the engine.
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:10 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote:

> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
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> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Nov 11 06:05:52 2008
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:05:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Veterans
Message-ID: <f816c7776b3d.49198330@optonline.net>

Just wanted to say Thank you for your service.


Todd Redmond


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 06:20:37 2008
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:20:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Tue Nov 11 07:07:32 2008
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:07:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Brake residual pressure valves
Message-ID: <COEHIGDHIJHOCPAJBPBIIELHDEAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I good friend, whose design abilities I respect, suggested that I add brake
pressure residual valves to my new brake system and even went to far as to
send me two (2 psi for the front disks and 10 psi for the rear drums.)

As I understand it, these retain a small amount of pressure on the brakes,
preventing the pads/shoe from fully disengaging.  While it makes sense that
these would then re-engage more quickly (less travel), it would seem that
this would also increase the wear on those parts and create unnecessary
drag.

Is anyone willing to comment on the positive aspects of installing these on
my street TR3?

Thanks

Ken Gano


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:23:41 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:23:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>

Group,

I was "in" '55 to '58, US Army, 101st Airborne, 82nd Airborne Jump School
and 11th Airborne Infantry (the Flying Red Assholes) in Germany for two
years.

My highest rank held, Sergeant; discharged Corporal. 

I trust that all Vets feel as I do. I saluted my flag with honor while in
uniform and it is with pride that I can now salute it again. I also salute
our outgoing President and our incoming one with equal respect. Maybe
uncompromised loyalty is part of that ingrained military mindset, but a lot
of us still have it and there seems to be no known cure. 

Thanks to all of you who served and thanks equally to all of you who love
our Country with our same level of passion. 

Richard Taylor


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ernest Husmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:21 AM
To: FOT; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT veterans

A bit heavy but good.
 
To all Veterans and all active service,regardless of branch; God's speed.
 
Ernie

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:07 PM

Always too busy in the morning to deal with email, so this is an early
Veterans Day salute for all the fellow veterans on the list. I thought 12
minutes was going to be too long, but I watched the entire film. This is
silent, so don't think your sound card is bad.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2487638612433437293&q=Vetera

Ed Barnard


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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 11 07:27:13 2008
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:27:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT veterans
In-Reply-To: <D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
References: <243786.43128.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><640221.62723.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<D898DF2661B546F4B01ECEDB06034A35@richardiipc>
Message-ID: <384611FCC820458D871A753127616489@richardiipc>

Salute the flag info:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123064483


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 08:58:28 2008
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>

Amici...

The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently 
completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful 
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the 
editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.  The article 
reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what 
was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership 
(somethinorother Junction).  It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid.  At the time, I 
was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had seven places 
for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have.  I always wondered what 
happened to it.  According to the article it has been moving around, including 
some time in a private collection in Switzerland.  Neat looking car, with 
exotic body work.

Another article in the same issue that caught my eye was about a late 1950s 
Standard Atlas caravan entitled the Little Blue Bus.  We'd call it a mini-Van.  
Its blue and white Triumph shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, 
and is stretched to at least twice its normal width, with no added height.  This 
supposedly befitting the Atlas' ample nose bonnet.  It appears to have a 
speedometer and no other gauges.  Looks like it would seat nine people, but I 
don't know if they'd get to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, 
which means a 948cc engine.  Wow.  Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a 
1700cc Ensign engine.

Bill Dentinger
        


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From Herald948 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 09:25:38 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:25:38 EST
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
Message-ID: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>

Bill and others:
 
The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,  
along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More  
information at
 
_http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_ 
(http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp) 
 
Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
 
And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North  
America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van currently  
residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web 
site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well as  
publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit Triumph 
 distributors in the early 1960s.
 
Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of  
highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa proving  
run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
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Herald engine with wings.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:31:41 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:31:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
Message-ID: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Herald948 at aol.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill and others:
>
> The original Macau Spitfire now resides back in England @ Canley Classics,
> along with its sibling ADU 4B, one of the LeMans Spitfire fastbacks. More
> information at
>
> _http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp_
> (http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumphmuseum.asp)
>
> Oh, there's also information there on a couple of Atlas vans they  own!
>
> And there are at least two Triumph-badged Atlas Major vans still in North
> America. One is a camper, in British Columbia, and the other is a van 
> currently
> residing in Indiana, having come out of Canada. Once I get my Database web
> site  back up to speed, I'll again have pictures of both of these, as well 
> as
> publicity shots of two other Triumph-badged Atlases used by the Detroit 
> Triumph
> distributors in the early 1960s.
>
> Yes, the 948cc powered Atlas vans lacked more than a little in terms of
> highway practicality, yet one of them actually survived the trans-Africa 
> proving
> run of prototype Triumph Heralds in 1958!
>
> --Andy  Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> --  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/)
>
> Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald
> Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 09:39:35 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:39:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire (Now Atlas Van)
In-Reply-To: <405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
References: <d03.47d76691.364b0c02@aol.com>
	<405FAFE460D946678F71B54F3E5CDA7F@KasPC>
Message-ID: <AFCDE2B5C7754221BFA6F43647C94F93@newcomputer>

They might be a bit more peppy with a Honda S2000 engine instead of that
wimpy 948.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:32 AM
To: Herald948 at aol.com; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire

I was sent a coupe of Atlas vans to supposedly use to tow the race cars to 
the races.  One was an open bed and the other a van enclosed body.  So slow 
you could hardly get to the freeway without being run over. Needless to say 
they did NOT tow an race cars anywhere and ended up being used as parts 
runners by the district manager.


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Nov 11 13:40:54 2008
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
In-Reply-To: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY142-W126D159352E995FBE144D0C8150@phx.gbl>

Hello all-

Not to promote too hard, but we had a feature cover story by Paul Richardson
about the replica Macau Spitfire in The Vintage Triumph several issues ago.

Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:58:28 -0500>
To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire> > Amici...> > The
December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently > completed,
and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire. Replica or not, it's a beautiful >
car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club. The article
> reminded me that in the late 1980s I saw the original one off Macau (or what
> was left of it) advertised for sale at a Texas exotic car dealership >
(somethinorother Junction). It was described as an ex-Kastner hybrid. At the
time, I > was sure interested, but Texas was far away, and at the time I had
seven places > for every nickel I had, and for some I didn't have. I always
wondered what > happened to it. According to the article it has been moving
around, including > some time in a private collection in Switzerland. Neat
looking car, with > exotic body work.> > Another article in the same issue
that caught my eye was about a late 1950s > Standard Atlas caravan entitled
the Little Blue Bus. We'd call it a mini-Van. > Its blue and white Triumph
shield is referred to as the 'open book' badge, > and is stretched to at least
twice its normal width, with no added height. This > supposedly befitting the
Atlas' ample nose bonnet. It appears to have a > speedometer and no other
gauges. Looks like it would seat nine people, but I > don't know if they'd get
to go anywhere because it has Standard Ten running gear, > which means a 948cc
engine. Wow. Later an Atlas Major was offered, with a > 1700cc Ensign engine.>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 11 15:52:33 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:52:33 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>

Bill Dentinger wrote:
> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, it's a beautiful
> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, the
> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.

Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of occasions - and having read 
Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps 
it at the TSSC H/Q all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people carrier with towbar. What's that 
got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America 
plans to visit the UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:

1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau Spitfire
4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and engineering 'history lesson'
5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK

FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people carrier would be appreciated. 
The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the 
news tonight, the rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.

Jonmac 


From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 16:56:21 2008
From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <380-2200811211235621718@earthlink.net>

Jim,
 
Curious why you would put main bearings in a motor that you race or exert
more than a street car without having the crank checked for out of round or
the block for alignment. My experience has taught me that the main and rod
bearings take a set to the crank and that putting a set of new bearings on
an unchecked crank is a recipe for disaster.

Chip


> [Original Message]
> From: J.C. Hassall <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 11/10/2008 10:09:25 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
>
> I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
> car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
> cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
> split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
> *except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go 
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 18:40:46 2008
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 EST
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>

With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 18:59:34 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:59:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
References: <cc0.484a4186.364cdf9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1721014884-1226541646-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415134295-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Are we talking about pounding in the sealant-soaked felt strips
While lying on your back?

Holy cow. 

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Catpusher at aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:40:46 
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] :  TR4 rear main seal


With a Standard seal this can be done with the TR2/earlyTR3 flywheel, but not 
the later flywheel where weight was added to the block side.  It is possible 
with most of my racing flywheels.
 
If you must do this (is the oil pressure and temp OK)? Start with the center 
cap and see how that bearing is.  Leave the other caps fully torqued, as you 
will probably want to rotate the crank, and the timing chain tensioner and 
front seal are at risk.  The gasket between the block and the front plate usually 
tears where it touches the front cap and sealing block.  The rear cap will 
need to be resealed.  If you run a good oil like Redline, the mains can be less 
than perfect if the rest of the motor is top notch.
 
If you do not have a lift or pit (I suspect like most of us) your quality 
control might be difficult.
When you work lying on your back, a red light makes it look more professional 
 lol
Eye protection is essential, and a hotel disposable shower cap works well.
 
Hardy
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:49:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
To: fot at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4 at vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
*except* the split seal and associated bits.

TIA

jim


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 12 22:23:38 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
In-Reply-To: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KA50035SFEHWOV4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20081113052344.0A8D518766E@autox.team.net>

I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the 
details on the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the 
rear seal this way, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.

- Tony Drews

At 09:10 PM 11/10/2008, J.C. Hassall wrote:
>I need to change the main bearings in my TR4.  The engine is in the 
>car with the gearbox attached.  Is it possible to pull the rear main 
>cap?  I'm specifically concerned about the seal - I have the new 
>split-type seal.  I took lots of pix of the engine as I assembled it 
>*except* the split seal and associated bits.
>
>TIA
>
>jim
>
>--
>J.C. Hassall
>Blacksburg VA
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 12 23:17:32 2008
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
Message-ID: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
Thanks - Ed -


From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com  Thu Nov 13 12:14:29 2008
From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Exploded view of new H6 Carb
Message-ID: <AB79443E5D9F884892394E75C7E58E8805DBFC7C@wbwburpexmb5.amer.warnerbros.com>

Here is an excellent picture that I found while I am supposed to be
working.



http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ExplodedImageCoordinates.aspx?ProductId=33910







~Steve


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:41:01 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:41:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] 87mm liner needed
Message-ID: <c93.37ac29d1.364ddccd@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/08 4:09:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
henry at henryfrye.com writes:

<< I run Ken Gillanders 'racing quality' 87mm liners, the ones he gets from  LA
 Sleeve. I tore down my race engine yesterday and found I have one  scored line
r. I called Ken, he is out of stock >>

I have always taken used liners, clamped them down in an old block, and had a
machinist bore them to the piston size.  Furnish him with a piston and tell
him how much clearance you want.
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 12:45:46 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:45:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
In-Reply-To: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9CDD82B62D004635B52C20DCA481B0E3@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It depends on the year.  Check out this site for details

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/springs.htm

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:18 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


Lister's:
Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of
springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6. Thanks - Ed -
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 12:57:52 2008
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear main seal
Message-ID: <c8b.38eea0f3.364de0c0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/08 9:24:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tony at tonydrews.com writes:

<< I know that Jack has done this in the past, but don't know the   details on 
the flywheel that was installed.  He also has replaced the   rear seal this way
, but I have no idea how he pulled that off.   >>
The shop manual shows a special tool that pulls the rear main straight down.
I made one of these with only a fire ax, drill press, and buzz box.  Cut a
strip of metal from some plate (or use bar stock).  Drill two holes in the ends
and weld nuts over the holes on one side.  Two bolts thread into the nuts.
Drill two smaller holes between the nuts so that the bar stock could be bolted
to the main cap.  Tighten the bolts threaded into the nuts, and the cap can be
easily pulled down and out.

Yes, many times I had plenty of Permatex slopped in my face and hair while
pounding in felt underneath the car while lying on my back.
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 17:11:51 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
Message-ID: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while  Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 13 17:22:20 2008
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:22:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>

How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 and 
a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would be fine 
to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there and done 
that person. Not track; mainly road use.
JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates


> Lister's:
> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
> Thanks - Ed -


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 17:30:19 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:30:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
References: <8039403DECBA4F3299C8E971D9BAFA39@RobPC>
Message-ID: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 17:57:58 2008
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:57:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
References: <66956.66616.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5CCE2A195B524E96B905D574E3E60D71@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <88D6B22012EB43BDB5F8CF6E9F42538A@DadsComputer>

Jerry,

According to the Triumphtune Manual they springs are as follows,

Fronts
TR4A/TR5/TR6
312 lbs, 6.75" fitted length
Rears
TR4A 280 lbs 8.2" fitted length
TR5  320 lbs 8.4" fitted length
TR6 late 354 lbs 8.81 fitted length

That last spring shows to raise the ride height to 9.0 in a TR4A

Hope that helps,

Bob Kramer, Austin Texas
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To: <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spring rates


> How about the stock rates for a TR4A IRS and how they differ for a TR250 
> and a TR6. I'd like to use Goodparts stuff on my 4A and suspect it would 
> be fine to do so but I'd sure like to get some council from a been there 
> and done that person. Not track; mainly road use.
> JVV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:17 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Spring rates
>
>
>> Lister's:
>> Does anyone on the list know what the spring rates are for a stock set of 
>> springs for both the Spitfire and the GT6.
>> Thanks - Ed -
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu Nov 13 19:32:35 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <034FFE07A2C0457ABB94685A3D90054B@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view

I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
incredibly cheap.

Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
what they have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rob
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] rear view

Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
Best
buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
 I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
in
time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
brightness.
but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 19:51:46 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:51:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] rear view
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>

Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
> see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
> raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 20:03:46 2008
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:03:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] Glen write up
Message-ID: <271403135.480441226631826051.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net>

   Nice  picture  of  Rob Deanes TR4 and the Stadel Ambro in Victory Lane
   this Month. Photo taken at The Glen in Sept.

   Dean T.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 20:52:09 2008
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
Message-ID: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>

Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? 
Thanks Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be 
good to try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fasttrs at mindspring.com>; "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" 
<19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view


> Does this mean you'll be watching TV while racing?
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..still staring at my transmission..
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
> To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist at cox.net>; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
>
>>I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Curry
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
>> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that 
>> has
>> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that 
>> they
>> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
>> incredibly cheap.
>>
>> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if 
>> you
>> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and 
>> see
>> what they have.
>>
>> Joe C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of rob
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>>
>> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
>> Best
>> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>> I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while 
>> raceing.
>> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the 
>> rebateout
>> in
>> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
>> brightness.
>> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
>> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Nov 14 09:16:26 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:16:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<59CC2106C6A44548AC9D857655676404@Bud>
	<AC04A16022144B338B417985FE5F309C@RobPC>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811141112130.32600@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, rob wrote:

> Only if   Barbie  Wha Wha is on   What about sun light on the screen? Thanks 
> Joe there is a"you Do It electronics" store close by     It would be good to 
> try a screen about 3X5 inches          rob

I can't address the babah wahwah thing, but one minor prob with LCD 
screens is that if you wear polarized sunglasses, you may have to tilt 
your head to see what's on the screen. Not good if yer looking to see if 
the GT1 camaro is about to punt you as you enter a corner.

This is probably a case where the low-tech solution (a wink mirror or 
something similar) is the best solution.

My $0.02

p.s. You Do It Electronics in the Boston area is affectionately referred 
to by MIT folks as "You Broke It Electronics". Fun place!!

rml
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 14 16:06:53 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself (though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs - is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it 'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space, ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 16:17:16 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:17:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Fri Nov 14 16:26:36 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:26:36 GMT
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <200811141626734.SM07420@[166.70.182.40]>

To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting
in Arkansas that is available.B  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not
we've got one ready to go!
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WIHello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 16:37:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] rear view
In-Reply-To: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1L0oUG-00011N-L4@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <491E0BB1.8080707@charter.net>

I tried that same backup camera but from Costco for less than $100.. I 
may work in a race car but when I hooked it up to my 35 foot motor home 
it couldn't transmit the distance.
If you have any leads for a cheaper more cost effective unit I would 
like to know.
Still interested in a reasonable one but Camping World units are way too 
expensive. The camera has a mount that doubles for  a license plate 
bracket.
Regards
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Racer working out the build problems




Mike Munson wrote:
> I saw a system at Sams club that was around 100.00.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Curry
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: 'rob'; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] rear view
>
> I was in an electronics hardware store a few months ago (the sort that has
> all sorts of stuff piled to the ceiling in every corner) and saw that they
> were selling the components to make up your own rear view camera system
> incredibly cheap.
>
> Since I was not in the market for such an item I passed it up.  But if you
> have such an electronics parts store close by, you might visit them and see
> what they have.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rob
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] rear view
>
> Hi folks I have been looking for a cheap  rv  back up camera for a while
> Best
> buy was at $380 and the rv shops started at 600 to $2400.00
>  I actually want to see if it will work as a rear view mirror while raceing.
> This one is from Advance Auto  @ 60 bucks if I manage to get the rebateout
> in
> time  The screen is 2"X2"  with 13 setttings each for contrast and
> brightness.
> but in an open car I expect it to turn into a 2 Inch mirror picture of my
> helmet because of the glare       any thoughts.   thanks       rob
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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Nov 14 16:42:43 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:42:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74EF24DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F2995F15EEFC464A90409A92BDA9311A@newcomputer>

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From gaf3 at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 17:19:45 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>

Thanks for all the help on the SU questions I will be ordering a lower 
pressure fuel pressure regulator from Summit/Holley in the near future.

I have a new question to those with a spit racer.
My vehicle has a 1300cc engine with an aluminum bell housing , 3 rail 
early trans., early clutch with an aluminum flywheel.
My problem is that that I can't get enough travel from the  stock Clutch 
master cylinder or slave cylinder to disengage for a shift change.

With my TR6, I came up with an adjustable lever long before the guys 
started selling them on ebay.  I don't seem to have enough travel.
Have any of you had any similar experiences, do I need to develope and 
adjustable push rod??

Thanks in advance

Glenn Franco
72 Spit racer working out the problems


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 18:04:26 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
Message-ID: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>

John:

What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
year.  It should be quite an journey.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:07 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam

Dear Foters

Some you who were at Watkins Glen in early September, may have heard me
announcing the "Triumph 
Trans- AmeriCa Charity Drive 2009" both in the library in the town and later
in the trackside 
marquee? For those of you who didn't hear those 'info releases' because of
distance for travel or 
the importance of consuming the booze so substantially on tap, you'll find
details of the event so 
far at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk

This post is prior to anything going on the website or
triumphs at autox.team.net because the person 
concerned was a Foter in the true sense.

In a moment of 'whimsy' and because it would be a "first time without" I had
to do something to 
ensure the "continuity of tradition." I've never raced Triumphs myself
(though I drove a good few 
far too fast around the Coventry site in my youth) and my own Triumphs were
never noted for being 
slow. The one thing all my cars have had - even when they weren't Triumphs -
is a name. Up to a few 
weeks ago, the Stag I'll be driving on this charity marathon next year would
have been nameless - 
but that's now changed. I've just had a reply from Tony Drews who has most
graciously allowed me to 
call the Sapphire Blue Stag with the white hardtop being rebuilt by ISOA
near Chicago as "uncle 
jack."

Ladies and gentlemen, from this point forwards, "uncle jack" will live on in
the form of a Triumph. 
Moreover, a Triumph that will, I am told, do something that no-one has ever
done before - and that's 
do an 11,000 drive across the States and Canada for charity. In so doing, I
hope the car will 
quickly become something of an icon to the memory of one very special man
who helped and enjoyed 
being with so many Triumph enthusiasts. Also from this point forwards
please, the car in question 
will no longer be referred to as The Stag or the TTACD Car. Let us call it
'uncle jack' when talking 
about it, because all FoTers will immediately know the term is either the
remarkable person himself, 
or the car that lives on his memory - and will continue to do so long after
the event is over and 
probably forgotten as well.

So, 'uncle jack' will be commemmorated by a decal on the bonnet hinge panel
and he'll get off on his 
11,000 mile charity drive from Daytona (late June/early July 2009) to San
Luis Obispo (where he HAS 
to arrive in time for the combined VTR NATC and Triumphest event at the end
of September. If the 
route passes near your home, please join 'uncle jack' and if there's space,
ride in him as well.

Thank you Tony, thank you Frances. uncle jack (and I as his driver) will do
our very best to 
continue success with Triumphs

Jonmac 
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:23:56 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:23:56 EST
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
Message-ID: <be5.43ebf73d.364f9acc@aol.com>

Jonmac, your mission was a very worthy endeavor before but you have now  made 
it so personal to so many of us.  For this I am sure I can speak for  many in 
saying "Thank You!"
 
Cheers & God Bless you & Uncle Jack.
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 14 20:26:52 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:52 EST
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <bcd.3f0d5721.364f9b7c@aol.com>

OK, now I'm interested.  Body in Wisconsin, frame in Arkansas and me  in 
Branson with a good engine & O/D transmission.  Somebody needs to do  some here.  
I'm open so perhaps contact me off list.
 
Cheers,
 
Gary Fuqua
Classic Sports Cars
Branson, MO
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:25:46 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:25:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

The frame I had for the project is spoken for, so take a look at Brad's frame.

Scott 

________________________________

From: Brad Kahler 
To: Barr, Scott; fot 
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:26:36 2008
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI 


To add to what Scott has available, we have a nicely redone GT6 frame sitting in Arkansas that is available.  Not sure if Scott's tub has a frame, if not we've got one ready to go!

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent 11/14/2008 4:17:16 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net, spitfires at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI


Hello all,
I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.
The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.
I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.
Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Nov 14 20:30:23 2008
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:30:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C3F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, it had to go through NM before it got to your place in AZ, didn't it?? :-)

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; spitfires at autox.team.net <spitfires at autox.team.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Nov 14 17:42:43 2008
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

New Mexico????????

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mk III body shell for sale - Appleton WI

Hello all,

I've got a GT6 Mk III body shell which needs a new home.  Originally,
this was going to be part of a GT6 racer which I intended to build, but
then I found a nice Spitfire to race instead.  Then I found another
Spitfire racer.  And now they're breeding and I need the storage space.

The body is from a Texas car which came to me via New Mexico.  It is in
good shape, with little or no rust, and some small dings from road use,
transport and storage.

I've got photos I can send.  As mentioned above, the shell is in
Appleton, Wisconsin.

Scott B.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Nov 14 20:42:05 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A Memoriam
In-Reply-To: <000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <CBAA358DFBCF4DC7B447C040C69B9095@Bevan>
	<000001c946be$1bc13ff0$5343bfd0$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081115034214.C41ED187642@autox.team.net>

FWIW - Jack always had his nickname in all lower case - "uncle jack 
racing".  Part of his low key profile, I suppose.  That's why in 
Jonmac's note it's in lower case rather than upper case.  Minor 
detail, but says something about the man, I think.  The "case" really 
doesn't matter to me, but I thought you'd appreciate that detail.

Both Frances and I are quite honored by Jonmac's request.

- Tony Drews

At 07:04 PM 11/14/2008, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>John:
>
>What a wonderful tribute to Uncle Jack and a fitting way for all FOTers and
>other Triumph enthusiasts to share his spirit.  I for one am looking forward
>to seeing you and Uncle Jack when you make your way to the West Coast next
>year.  It should be quite an journey.
>
>Gary


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 14 23:25:05 2008
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:25:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
References: <BE3950BD0E394A68B1AA66757ABF289B@britbits><490DE3FE.2090700@charter.net><490DF96A.2030505@charter.net><20081102195605.07EE918766D@autox.team.net><1D600D162D5E4E38B0919EE53939D733@Bud>
	<490E0F5E.1050309@charter.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74E9BAE4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<491E15A1.3040208@charter.net>
Message-ID: <491E6B41.5020507@bradakis.com>

I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
squaretail.
It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and clutch.  
This
car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.

After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I put in
new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
the back of the cylinder.

But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
not wanting to play together.  Oh well.

mjb.


From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Nov 15 08:08:35 2008
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:08:35 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Macau Spitfire
References: <d68.33032098.364b05a4@aol.com>
	<2608CCAD9CF74477A1107913CF6EA006@Bevan>
Message-ID: <D47391CFFF0A4BCEA69229B3EBCA23DF@PBA.INT>

Hi all - similarly from me if John has a few takers ..... but you'll be in 
Tr4 land ......

Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Macau Spitfire


> Bill Dentinger wrote:
>> The December issue of Triumph World has an article about a recently
>> completed, and classy replica of the Macau Spitfire.  Replica or not, 
>> it's a beautiful
>> car and the result of a seventeen year labor of love by Bernard Robinson, 
>> the
>> editor of The Courier magazine for the Triumph Sports Six Club.
>
> Having seen Bernie Robinson's handiwork 'in the flesh' on a number of 
> occasions - and having read Paul Richardson's recent article in TVT, I can 
> attest to the sheer beauty of this car. Bernie keeps it at the TSSC H/Q 
> all/most of the time for visiting enthusiasts to enjoy it.
> For the record, I am now the (happy) owner of a seven seater people 
> carrier with towbar. What's that got to do with the Macau Spitfire? Just 
> to say that if any FOTer or enthusiast in North America plans to visit the 
> UK in February for Triumph Spares Day, I can:
>
> 1 Collect and return you to the airport (preferably London Heathrow)
> 2. Put the parts you buy in my trailer behind the car
> 3. Take you to the TSSC H/Q to see its extensive museum - and the Macau 
> Spitfire
> 4. Run you around the locality of Coventry and District for a local and 
> engineering 'history lesson'
> 5. Arrange your accommodation while in the UK
>
> FI? None at all but a contribution for the diesel used in the people 
> carrier would be appreciated. The Pound/Dollar rate is improving for you 
> as well. Two months ago GBP1.00 equalled US$2. As of the news tonight, the 
> rate is GBP1 = US$1.54 - so its getting better.
>
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 08:09:28 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
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Marks story sounds like a carbon copy of mine.
I picked up the 72 Spit as a basket case in Salt Lake a few years ago. 
It came in boxes of parts with little explanation of what origin or 
years they were from.
This car has not run or raced since the late 70's so I don't have the 
experience if it worked with or without the aluminum bell housing.
As Marks car this is a Mark 4 1300, full synchro 3 rail but with an 
aluminum flywheel stock disc and pressure plate.
I too pulled out the slave and I'm getting travel from the piston and 
the clutch master has ~ 1 inch of stroke.
I think the aluminum flywheel is the late version but I can't say for 
sure since I only have cast iron late and early flywheels to compare it to.
They seem to be similar if not the same.
The aluminum bell housing came with the rest of the parts and was 
notched for header clearance so I'm assuming all the parts worked 
together at some point in time.
Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different 
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spit Race Car working out the problems in Michigan


Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> I, too, have been having clutch issues with my clapped out street 
> squaretail.
> It has a Mark 4 1300, a full synchro 3 rail, stock flywheel and 
> clutch.  This
> car is basically cobbled together from who knows what.
>
> After the used clutch disk I put in fell apart ( I know, I know ) I 
> put in
> new stuff.  I was not getting full release so I pulled off the slave and
> measured a few distances.  I came up with figures that showed the
> slave piston had to travel just over an inch before the throw out bearing
> would contact the diaphragm spring on the pressure plate.  So I cobbled
> up a distance piece to take up the slack.  I'm guessing it took up TOO
> much slack and overextended the diaphragm spring.  The car started
> exhibiting clutch problems not many months later.  The clutch would
> not fully release, and it wouldn't full grab.  When we yanked it apart
> we found the diaphragm spring had broken into several pieces.  So
> another set of new bits went in, the spacer came out.  You know, the
> slave cylinder piston doesn't have to ALWAYS go all the way to
> the back of the cylinder.
>
> But now the Spit is doing the same no release, no grab stuff.  Time to
> yank the tranny again to see what's going on.  There may be some
> issues with the parts involved, the flywheel, bellhousing, gearbox
> not wanting to play together.  Oh well.
>
> mjb.
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Nov 15 09:39:59 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Insane Driving Skill
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBICEHAEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

from a TR7/8 forum 


Paul

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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 10:11:24 2008
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:11:24 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the  
earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to  clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and  
earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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From srcypher at mac.com  Sat Nov 15 10:42:22 2008
From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 Speed Tranny wanted
Message-ID: <5334BFE5-A6A8-405D-A5BE-712BD85E0F93@mac.com>

Looking for cheap or free TR7 4 speed transmission to experiment on;  
as long as I can take it apart, its good for my purpose.  Let me know  
if there's one not too far from PA, MD or the TRI state area.

Thanks

-Scott Cypher
spitfireracer at xsmail.com
SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573
Reading, PA
http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery

1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar
1971 TR6 TBD
1976 TR7 Street
1968 GT6 Vintage


From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Nov 15 12:10:08 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>

I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
so that should not make a difference.

That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
Questions

In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Ted  Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a different  
release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the  difference??
 
==AM==
I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them for the

earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing sleeve and 
"clutch  disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part numbers between
early 
Spitfire  (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and beyond (diaphragm clutch). 
 
Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore slave  
cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know (unless
there  
are part numbers on them); sorry!
 
As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to
clutch 
action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of the alloy  
bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used on Herald 948 and

earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker flange as used on
earlier  
Spitfires (but which should be usable on any three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I
don't  
know offhand if there's a difference in overall depth between those two  
bellhousings...but I can measure if anyone really cares! ;-)  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 12:58:28 2008
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
Message-ID: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>

Amici -



The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
 

As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.


The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.

Good luck all,
Bob T
'64 Spit GT? autocrosser

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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Sat Nov 15 13:08:29 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit clutch question
In-Reply-To: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB1573A99B4FB7-168-941@WEBMAIL-DY23.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F2C3D.9010204@141.com>

The later single rail gearboxes will also bolt up to the aluminum bell 
housings but a few mods need to be made. 

You can see in the following picture the hole that we added to the 
aluminum bell housing for the shifter rail.  Unknown to me there is a 
small oil weep hole on the steel bell housing that was absent in our mod 
of the aluminum bell housing.  Thanks to Tony Drews who spotted the 
issue with the weep hole while we were racing at Mid-Ohio in 2002 we 
found that with that weep hole left uncovered every time Susan applied 
the brakes (she doesn't do that to often!) oil would pour through the 
hole into the clutch area and of course caused a huge oily mess. 

http://www.141.com/triumphs/projects/tristan/photos/Bell-housings.jpg

I don't have a picture of the patch welded over the hole but once we did 
that the massive oil leak went away.  Bottom line is you have to provide 
clearance for the shifter rail to protrude into the clutch area and then 
you have to weld a bubble type patch over it to allow the oil from the 
shifter rod to drain back into the transmission.

Brad


robertten1 at aol.com wrote:
> Amici -
>
>
>
> The alluminum flywheel sounds great from a weight savings point of view but ... its one of those conversions that unfortunatlely lacks all the pertinent details to make the swap successfull.? Unfortnately I do not remmember what that particular detail was, I vaguely remember something about modifing the T/O Bearing carrier (?)? There are 2 different T/O bearing carriers: one is for the very early Spits with the 3 finger B&B pressure plate/ flat flywheel.? The other is for all the Spits with the diaphram laycock pressure plate/ recessed flywheel.? No I do not no which is for which just that one is longer than the other.?
>  
>
> As for the bellhousings ... cast iron versues the alluminum there is no dimentional difference, between the gearbox and rear of the engine.? Thus they are very interchangable with no secrets to make the swap other than what has been stated about the thin versuses the thicker alluminum casting.? From prior experience you DO NOT WANT the thin cast housing, it WILL CRACK radially around the flange and cause severe problems.? How can you tell if you have the thick alluminum bell housing?? Hold it side by side to a cast iron bellhousing -? it should look as if it came for the same mold, flange should be the same thickness as well as the rest of the unit.? The thinner alloy bellhousings have a smoother less ribbed finish? and obviously thinner all around compared to the iron bellhousing.
>
>
> The alloy housing will bolt up to the GT6 gearbox for those going for a CR Gearbox set up.
>
> Good luck all,
> Bob T
> '64 Spit GT? autocrosser


From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 14:14:21 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>

Looking over my spare parts and a closer inspection of the clutch 
hydraulics revealed that I can't get enough travel out of the slave 
cylinder.
I measured the  the master cylinder stroke ~ 1 inch but slave cylinder 
is ~ 1/2 inch. When assembled I run out of travel with the slave piston 
so it only travels 5/16- 3/8 inch.
Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I think) it 
would equate to less travel but not that much.
I have not yet pulled the trans but planning to do so shortly.
Thanks for the suggestions
Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer pulling the transmission. (its snowing here 
so I'm moving a little slow)

Herald948 at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:10:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> gaf3 at charter.net writes:
>
>     Ted Schumacher mentioned that the aluminum bell housing uses a
>     different
>     release bearing sleeve. Does anyone know how to tell the difference??
>
>  
> ==AM==
> I don't have any MkIV or 1500 parts books handy, but I do have them 
> for the earlier cars. From what I can tell, both the throwout bearing 
> sleeve and "clutch disengaging lever sleeve" carry different part 
> numbers between early Spitfire (coil spring clutch) and later Mk2 and 
> beyond (diaphragm clutch).
>  
> Also, from what I can tell, the diaphragm clutch uses the 7/8" bore 
> slave cylinder. How to tell the levers and sleeves apart, I don't know 
> (unless there are part numbers on them); sorry!
>  
> As for the alloy bellhousing, I don't think that matters in regard to 
> clutch action...except possibly that there are a couple variants of 
> the alloy bellhousing. There's one with a rather thin flange as used 
> on Herald 948 and earlier 1200 models, and there's one with a thicker 
> flange as used on earlier Spitfires (but which should be usable on any 
> three-rail gearbox, AFAIK). I don't know offhand if there's a 
> difference in overall depth between those two bellhousings...but I can 
> measure if anyone really cares! ;-)
>  
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
> Triumph Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
> Register: http://www.vtr.org <http://www.vtr.org/>
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us <http://triumph-herald.us/>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 15 14:21:59 2008
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:21:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <491F3BAD.1030801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20081115212159.LWGF7376.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall>

> Since the clutch master is at 5/8" and the slave at 7/8" (I 
> think) it would equate to less travel but not that much.

Don't forget that the stroke ratio is the square of the diameters.  5/8"
diameter to 7/8" diameter works out to about to about 1:2.

Randall


From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 15:42:23 2008
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:42:23 EST
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
Message-ID: <d35.3e78d1c4.3650aa4f@aol.com>

Are you saying that the slave does not go far enough into the slave 
bracket?....


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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Nov 15 15:54:33 2008
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
 Questions
In-Reply-To: <61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
References: <c50.3ee05538.36505cbc@aol.com>
	<61904238676D4379A3A9C4BF584FBC25@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <491F5329.10703@charter.net>

Thanks all for the suggestions on what could be causing the issue with 
the clutch on this race car.

Joe Curry made a suggestion that I file an additional slot is the slave 
cylinder body to gain travel.
I found an old slave cylinder from the former owner and it had a second 
slot filed in it. This
Must be how he resolved the clutch release problem.  Here is a photo of 
the fix.

I now get enough travel and the clutch releases enough to shift gears ( 
on the jack stands anyway )

I'll save the trans R&R for next time.

Thanks again to the Triumph brain trust.
Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer on to the next problem

Joe Curry wrote:
> I think there is a mistake in the identification of the part that causes the
> difference.  The alloy bell housings are cast identically to the steel ones
> so that should not make a difference.
>
> That said, there typically is a difference in thickness of the alloy
> flywheel as opposed to the steel ones.  Of course it depends entirely on
> which alloy flywheel we are talking about.  The one I got from Ted is
> definitely thicker than the stock steel flywheel.
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Herald948 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:11 AM
> To: gaf3 at charter.net; mark at bradakis.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Weber carbs now SU Questions now Spit Clutch Release
> Questions

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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Sun Nov 16 10:53:23 2008
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:53:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 body and frame for sale
Message-ID: <8766F195516A4B35A69062A5F34EC61B@Dell5100Laptop>

Sorry for the commercial but someone on FOT might want these before I
post them to the 6 pack list or Ebay.

 

1)       A very, very nice and complete late TR6 body, including doors,
deck lid and hood.  Floor pans were replaced and the rest of the body
was stripped and painted a very pretty red color about 10 years ago.
It's been stored inside ever since and is nearly ready to go back on a
frame.  For some reason they didn't paint the floors so there's some
surface rust but otherwise they're new.  There is also a little rust
along the very bottom of the rear valance and fenders but it's minimal
and would be an easy fix.  This would make a great vintage race car body
as it sits.

2)       Late TR6 frame, came from under the body above.  I separated
them so I could more closely inspect the frame before listing it for
sale.  For the most part it appears to be very solid but had apparently
been hit in the front at some point.  It was repaired and appears
straight.  It needs the usual gussets and rear diff mounts beefed up
although someone has welded in some bracing on the front diff supports.
There is the usual surface rust but I tapped on all surfaces with a pick
hammer and didn't find anything serious.  The frame is a roller, with
suspension and diff included.

3)       Asking $4,000 obo for both. Located in North Florida.

 

Don Marshall  

904-259-9668

Macclenny, FL


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Sun Nov 16 18:53:34 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


G. Michael Harmuth


From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Nov 16 19:52:54 2008
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question
In-Reply-To: <OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.0.1226862001.26610.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF5C1C44C9.63197A6C-ON85257504.0009EA9D-85257504.000A6567@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <D381BD2EC34242858360EE725CE96A91@newcomputer>

Yes, the Mk3 Spit shares the same front bumper and overriders with the Mk2
GT6 (GT6+ in the USA)

Joe C. 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of George Harmuth
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:54 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Bumper question

Another question for the collective wisdom out there. I'm looking at buying
a 70 GT6+  MK2 for the road (US car, US specs) but it doesn't have the
front bumper. Is this bumper the same as a 70 Spitfire bumper or is it
special to the GT6?

thanks
mike


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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Nov 16 21:42:33 2008
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:42:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] GT 6
Message-ID: <BLU136-W516C319E6444C453E48E70B2130@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
I,m Restoring a Evla Courier race car and I need a source for TR GT6 Front
suspension... vertical link (upright),spindle,caliper mounts, Rotors and Hubs
(alloy?). New parts are preferred if available.

Thank You

Tony Garmey


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Nov 17 07:38:00 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
Message-ID: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html

1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you 
can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner 
disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 
original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and 
factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one 
year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought 
after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than 
the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 
consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA

http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/

FYI - NFI - Tony Drews


From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Mon Nov 17 09:11:25 2008
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:11:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>

The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has been his 
business for that time, although many of his transactions have involved 
higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is apparently very near me if an 
FoT has an interest and I could help.  NFI

Dave Talbott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250


> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>
> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very 
> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as you can 
> see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner disassembled the 
> car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000 original miles. Original 
> engine, desirable period alloy wheels and factory TR 6 hardtop. No 
> overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one year (1968) only 8000 units were 
> produced making it the most sought after and valuable Triumph sports car. 
> A way better investment than the stock market $6,500 call Dave 
> 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877 consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 
> 650cc Triumph or BSA
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>
> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Mon Nov 17 09:27:16 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Reading Material
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIGEHNEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

Check out the goldmine of racing and everything else Triumph at the VTR site
under TSOA newsletters. I just re-discovered the stash in doing some
research, although I had seen it before, it still is incredible.

http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/tsoa.html


Paul

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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 17 09:33:07 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:33:07 -1000
Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
In-Reply-To: <000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
References: <20081117143815.9402C18765D@autox.team.net>
	<000301c948cf$2418e050$6a01a8c0@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <504B1572-06DF-4EB8-B229-082D3468F4C8@bnj.com>

Tempting, very tempting. That's what I need, another project!
On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:11 AM, David Talbott wrote:

> The seller is an acquaintance I've known for 30+ years and this has  
> been his business for that time, although many of his transactions  
> have involved higher ticket goods.  In any case, this car is  
> apparently very near me if an FoT has an interest and I could help.   
> NFI
>
> Dave Talbott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:38 AM
> Subject: [Fot] From Bring A Trailer - TR-250
>
>
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/917085098.html
>>
>> 1968 TR 250, needs complete restoration, however this car is very  
>> straight, complete and has no serious rust. Surface rust yes, as  
>> you can see, but this is a very restorable project. Second owner  
>> disassembled the car 25 years ago and and lost interest. 80,000  
>> original miles. Original engine, desirable period alloy wheels and  
>> factory TR 6 hardtop. No overdrive. The TR 250 was built only one  
>> year (1968) only 8000 units were produced making it the most sought  
>> after and valuable Triumph sports car. A way better investment than  
>> the stock market $6,500 call Dave 503-636-7503 cell 503-200-9877  
>> consider trade for excellent 1960s 500cc or 650cc Triumph or BSA
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2008/11/16/one-year-only-1968-triumph-tr250-garage-find/
>>
>> FYI - NFI - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 10:33:50 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:33:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 11:18:19 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:18:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9EE2A12F5C8A4AE892CFBE0AAF3F7AF6@Bud>

1. I will race the same..but if the fields get small It won't be as much fun 
so I may cut back
2. entry fees are 425.00+
3. 1(SCCA)
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 12:03:01 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:03:01 EST
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <c89.396ee977.365319e5@aol.com>

I place on racing the same as well.
 
Entry prices for CVAR events are around $250.  Plus $100. for Test & Tune.
 
CVAR has a few but I don't think it is a lot.
 
Gary Fuqua
63 TR 4
61 Bugeye
Branson, MO
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Nov 17 12:21:27 2008
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A02F19CA61D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I too am with CVAR and the $250.00 amount applies for our events, but I am
afraid that the rate may be raised. Our numbers are already down and 3 of our
events are held at Texas World Speedway where the break even registration
number is purported to be over 120 cars. Our November event only had 112. I'd
love to see a historical event participation record.

As for the questions, I plan to go to the Mitty next year so I will probably
have a repeat of this year's 50% CVAR participation, 3 out of 6 events, to
save travel money for the Mitty.

We occasionally get a t-shirt sponsor but that is it.

Bob Kramer
Austin Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 12:37:47 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:37:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <CC0F76F7-5F27-468B-BCCD-1883BE3E5A7B@earthlink.net>

FOT,

I have a 62 TR3B.

I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.

The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.

I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.

Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.

What type of CR gears might I have?

~Steve


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Nov 17 12:46:11 2008
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:46:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <69bcefbcebedf28a81163507e5b4fc23.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

> Gary Hortska asked:
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Well, since I sold my race car in August, I will reduce
the number of events to zero in 2009.  Anyone want
to buy a really nice enclosed race car trailer?

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Event fees were $185 for singles and something like
$300 or so for double race weekends last year as I
recall.  Since that is a minor part of the total expense
for a race weekend, I can't remember for sure.

> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

I race(d) exclusively with the SCCA, and only one race
a year (the Labor Day Double) had Corporate sponsorship,
although some races had dinners provided by sponsors.


John Lye


From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 13:07:40 2008
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] What gearbox do I have in my TR3?
Message-ID: <111720082007.2149.4921CF0C000763AC000008652216538496970A9D010507@comcast.net>

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Steven Belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
> FOT,
> 
> I have a 62 TR3B.
> 
> I believe I have a TR6 transmission with close-ratio gears. (no OD)   
> but I'm not exactly sure what's in there.
> 
> The main shaft is 1" with 10 splines.
> 
> I run a GT6 clutch disc and Pressure Plate and it all works great.
> 
> Does, in fact, the TR6 transmission have a 1" shaft with 10 splines?   
> I'm trying to figure out exactly what's in my gearbox.


A TR6 usually has a 1.25" input shaft. Since you have the 1" 10 spline and use a GT6 disc, you should have the CR gearset in your TRanny.

Irv


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Nov 17 14:26:09 2008
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:26:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8E932D57C5B64EB489580DCE3D99C897@S1099895562>

> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

Economics kept me from racing in 2008, probably won't race in 2009 either. I 
also didn't travel much for autocross -- longest trip was 120 miles one-way 
to Heartland Park Topeka for both the Midwest Divisional and Nationals (In 
the worst of times I never miss Nationals). Also, the only races I worked 
last year were that same 120-mile trip to HPT for a double National and the 
Runoffs. Won't go to 2009 Runoffs, even to work -- too far (Road America). 
I'll do most or all of my local autocrosses. Probably only work the couple 
of races scheduled at HPT.

> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

Races ~$200. Autocross locally $20, Divisionals ~$60, Nationals $110. 
Outside of local events, travel/lodging is the major expense, not entry 
fees. (and we hope the car doesn't break anything really expensive.) For 
Nationals and Runoffs I worked a deal for a really cheap hotel room 
($38/day) that I won't be able to do next year.


> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

None in SCCA Midwest club racing. Autocross has sponsors at 
Divisional/National level, but they don't directly offset entry fees. 
Divisional sponsorship porimarily pays for awards. National covers many 
event expenses. However, I'm sure the money they pump in has helped keep 
entry fees from rising.

--Rocky Entriken
   GP Spitfire


From bswope959 at msn.com  Mon Nov 17 15:50:33 2008
From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY137-DAV2C49827CDC9A4C74A457BEC130@phx.gbl>

Gary The last survey I saw showed the average vintage racer had 4+ years of
education above Highschool and earned over $109,000 per year. I think the need
for speed will prevail and I believe the price of true Vintage racers will
hold. Sales may slow. Don't confused wormed over production cars with roll
bars To be the same as borne to be race cars. (sport racers, open-wheel,
factory one ups and the likes.)
I will race next year,
SWMS club week -in is $250
We have sponsor funds
The VMC met last week, I was not available to go ,but I bet they discussed
what you are asking. WWW.VMC.com<http://www.vmc.com/>
Wm. (Bill) Swope
dba C ME GO Racing
1030 Green Valley Rd. NW
Los Ranchos, N M  87107
bswope959 at msn.com<mailto:bswope959 at msn.com>
(505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary Horstkorta<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:33 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


  Hello:



  At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking
with
  several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
  U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
  With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
  speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
  afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
  responses:



  1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

  2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
  race with?

  3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
  sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



  Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
  Thanks.



  Gary

  1962 TR4
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 16:08:26 2008
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6793539A0711427DAC99FF0274F24CFB@steven2sbouwlk>

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

            Actually, I plan on doubling my race entries in 2009.  It's my 
plan to keep the economy going - life is short, way too short, and my dad 
has advised me to not count the money I'll save by not racing, on my 
deathbed.

 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?

            My entry fees average $400, the total expense for an event 
averages $1500 - I could lower this to $1400 if I eat more chicken

 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

            SVRA

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA #393 Group3


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Horstkorta" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


> Hello:
>
>
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking 
> with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who 
> could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>
>
>
> Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> 1962 TR4
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Nov 17 16:16:19 2008
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
Message-ID: <20081117.161620.3544.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Nov 17 16:50:40 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49220350.2010609@cfl.rr.com>

Gary Horstkorta wrote:
> Hello:
>
>  
>
> At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
> several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
> U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
> With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
> speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
> afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
> responses:
>
>  
>
> 1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?
>   
                   *I am going this weekend to pick up a 57 TR3 racer, 
reassemble it, have it together by next fall and race it.
                   So I plan to support the industry and race organizations*
> 2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
> race with?
>   
                   *SCCA in Florida is $150 and VDCA is $325. VDCA is by 
far the best buy for seat time and social gathering*.
> 3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
> sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?
>   
                   *I suppose SCCA has some type of sponsorship but 
can't speak for VDCA.*
> Bob Davis


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:38:06 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Spit Clutch Release Problems
Message-ID: <94449AB122644811983B2282D6F85C18@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I too had problems similar to this.  Everything was fine until I put in a
NOS Borg & Beck pressure plate.  The clutch didn't want to disengage until
the pedal was almost to the floor.  I also had a new racing clutch disk, but
it was identical to the old one.  Nothing else had changed, but I checked to
see if there was problems with the slave cylinder, rod, etc and found
nothing unusual.  I checked to see if the clutch was grabbing tightly in the
shop, and the permanent rubber marks in my shop floor show that it was.  I
ran the car that way for the weekend, it felt weird, but worked ok.

We had engine problems and took the engine, with the clutch assy to the
engine builder to get fixed.  When I got it back, I noted that they didn't
like the way the clutch went on, the fingers were depressed too far.  They
shimmed the pressure plate out from the flywheel about 1/16 inch and it
works and feels great.  We've now run 4 consecutive weekends with it and no
problems whatsoever.

Jim Norlin


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 19:48:50 2008
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:48:50 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6E60B7D23CA149469385319EA63B2C9F@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

We expect to run more or less the same as last year.

Entry fees run from about $230 for a single regional to $450 for a
regional/national.

Corporate sponsorship exists at many of the events we run, but it's focused
on paying for the social activities and trophys, etc.  It does help keep the
costs down a bit.

I've found the easiest way to save on race expenses is to find race fuel
away from the track.  Away from the track, I'm paying $4 per gallon less
than at the track - $40 to $60 a weekend.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:34 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions


Hello:



At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:



1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?



Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less. Thanks.



Gary

1962 TR4
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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Nov 18 05:16:11 2008
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions
In-Reply-To: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <000001c948da$a7da9400$f78fbc00$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003901c94977$73321e10$59965a30$@net>

1.  I will probably race a bit more

2.  Entry fees are now typically up into the $400 range on an average. Used
to be there were a number of events that were ~$250 but costs have gone up
across the board for the tracks and sanctioning bodies as well so it's
natural they are reflected in the entry fees. There may be differences
between club environments that rely mostly on volunteers vs corporate
entities that try to operate at a profit. 

3.  There are a number of sanctioning bodies that have some corporate
sponsorship but without viewing their P&L it would be hard to determine
where the funds ended up and whether it impacted the entry fee.

Vintage racing is a great hobby but it does come at a cost. It's a decision
each person needs to make as to whether an event is right for them. There
are large scale events at famous tracks with many bells and whistles and
then lesser attended events more economical by club entities on some
occasions. Again, it's a decision for each individual to make based on
costs, seat time, safety of participants, location and politics with the
sanctioning body. 

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49
VARAC; SVRA; VRG

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:34 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Three Questions

Hello:

 

At the last race of our season (CSRG) earlier this month, I was talking with
several racer friends of mine about the current economic situation in the
U.S. and what affect it might have on vintage racing in the coming years.
With job losses mounting, consumer spending tightening up, etc, we
speculated that there might be a downturn in the number of people who could
afford to go racing.  So, I'd like to ask three questions and get your
responses:

 

1.        Will you race more, less or the same number of events in 2009?

2.       What do you pay for entry fees with the various organizations you
race with?

3.       How many of the race organizations you race with have corporate
sponsors to help offset the cost of racing, ie, keep entry fees lower?

 

Feel free to expound on your answers, more info is better than less.
Thanks.

 

Gary

1962 TR4
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 12:28:18 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:28:18 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <AE3E3B7F-8081-4696-B2D1-F9DFE1DE0FA1@earthlink.net>

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 15:46:30 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Racing plans for 2009
In-Reply-To: <2006092433.418771227047854992.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1040754807.420281227048390789.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gary: Here is my respnse to your three questions regarding 2009 vintage
racing:



1. I plan on racing the same # of weekends in 09, but will stay closer to home
next year. For example, no trip to Watkins Glen from the Pacific NW. If I
could get my TR4 accepted to Mon terrey Historics, that is probably worth
selling some ( or possibly a lot!!) B deflated stocks to attend.



2. The big National events, i.e. SVRA at the Glen or RA are around $500, but
that is just the start of the expenses. Test and tune adds another $300 to
400, not to mention getting to the track, motels, gas, etc. Our local SOVREN
events are $300 + or -.



3. We have major corporate sponsorships for the SOVREN Historics, i.e.
Edelbrock and a host of others, but those funds go to the Seattle Children's
Hospital as a charitable contribution.



Regards,



John


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 16:46:39 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed
Message-ID: <1973471777-1227053688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-273488860-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Got them.  Thanks FOT
------Original Message------
From: Steven Belfer
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Sent: Nov 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR3 / 4 a few parts needed

I'm in the process of building another race motor for my TR3 and need  
the following parts:

Water pump housing
Thermostat housing
Distributor pedistal

Anyone out there have any of these components that you would like to  
part with?
I can't afford the fancy new aluminum pieces :(

~Steve
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Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot



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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Nov 18 20:18:47 2008
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:18:47 EST
Subject: [Fot] Body panels needed
Message-ID: <cf6.4487f4fc.3654df97@aol.com>

I'm looking for a TR3A front apron and trunk lid (pre-60,000) in reasonably 
good condition. I'm not opposed to using an earlier TR3 (small mouth) apron.   

   Thanks,
    Dave


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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Nov 19 08:52:10 2008
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:52:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] New HD Lever Shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0811191049010.19113@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I just noticed that Moss Europe has new Armstrong shocks in regular, +25% 
and +50% ratings.

Would anyone care to share if they've used these and whether they hold up 
under racing use?

I also looked at Mossmotors.com and I didn't find these parts there (yet). 
Anyone know if you can get them from the US source?

regards,
rml
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Nov 19 17:53:02 2008
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
Message-ID: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 19:27:08 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
References: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <A76BBC057FEB405CB88EE2D4CC93E9D3@Bud>

Thanks Brad...for taking the time to send to us.Terrific history..By the 
way..I drag raced my 1962 tr4 street car at Fremont Drag Strip in California 
in about 1967, We had an autocross that went straight up the 1/4 mile strip, 
and then back through a chicane....I turned  about 18.4 sec. on the drag 
portion...There were 2 ways to shift the trs...1. pause slightly between 
gears..2....Shift so fast that it felt smooth(whoooom)..GREAT TORQUEY CARS
Racer Bud..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Kahler" <brad.kahler at 141.com>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway


> Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.
>
> http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html
>
> Brad
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 06:22:12 2008
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
In-Reply-To: <4924B4EE.2000407@141.com>
Message-ID: <463629.43776.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello all. This is kind of strange but in the early 50's the hot rod club to
which I belonged was involved in getting drags started at Aquasco Speedway.
That was some time  before I became a part of the road racing scene. Brings
back a lot of memories. Cheers, Ed.

Ed Diehl

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com> wrote:

From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler at 141.com>
Subject: [Fot] Aquasco Speedway
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:53 PM

Not exactly Triumph racing but some of you might enjoy browsing this site.

http://www.atomicpinup.com/Aquasco_Speedway.html

Brad
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From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Nov 23 10:14:30 2008
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1229.1226975770.3542.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>

1. I would like to race as much as I have this past year and a half... about 6 events per calendar year.

2. CVAR is about $250.00 for the weekend plus $100.00 for a friday test and tune.

3. no sponsorship known

GT6 transmission...again...

Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6 times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a race with another organization...
Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
Bobby Whitehead
#53 CVAR EP Group II


From Billb at bnj.com  Sun Nov 23 13:20:28 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:20:28 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Inquiry for race events and a ... yes again... GT6
 Transmission question
In-Reply-To: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
References: <20081123121430.ZZCF4.253784.root@mp17>
Message-ID: <AD074A2C-617A-4CAF-9A44-8911AC05CCC9@bnj.com>

It's pretty easy to set up a hydraulic release bearing properly and  
once you do you don't have to worry about it anymore. You want to  
assemble everything with some clay on the face of the throwout bearing  
and the hydraulic actuator pushed all the way back. Then disassemble  
and measure the clay thickness to determine how much clearance you  
have between the bearing face and clutch boss. You want enough room so  
the clutch can disengage fully or you will toast the engine's thrust  
bearings. Say .060 to .070"

Now measure the travel of the actuator for one full stroke of the  
master cylinder. If the travel is longer than the recommended stroke  
of your clutch then you either need a smaller m/c (recommended) or a  
stop. Remember that the hydraulic actuator is self adjusting. It will  
not withdraw to the amount of clearance you set up--it will rest the  
throwout bearing lightly on the clutch boss. You'll get the full  
stroke of the actuator every time you press the clutch pedal to the  
floor. Setting clearance is just to be sure you always have room to  
fully release the clutch, even after a bit of disk wear.

I don't know what the recommended stroke of your GT6 clutch is. The  
stock setup may not overstroke the clutch, but with all the broken  
diaphragm springs I've seen over the years I wouldn't guarantee that.  
The long lever arm and a spring to pull the throwout bearing off the  
clutch means that the free play adjustment varies the stroke.
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

>
> Once again, I've had a failure in the unit that attaches to the  
> flywheel. I kept the hydraulic release bearing that came with my Bob  
> Davis built GT6 (minus the T50 5 speed). The 4 speed gearbox from  
> Quantum started grinding at shifts into 4th gear, and an oil change  
> showed brass shavings. I buttoned it all back up for CVAR's last  
> event at TWS this past month. I've learned my lesson going out 6  
> times and coming back 3 times early to only pay $100.00 for fridays  
> test and tune.. If I make it through friday, I pay for the weekend.
> Well.... late friday evening on the long straight, a high pitched  
> whine and some smoke in the cabin from 3rd to 4th... no shifty....
> Brought it back home after some track side analysis and the clutch  
> material had departed the flywheel side of the clutch disk.
> Bob Kramer feels I should ditch the hydraulic release bearing and go  
> back to the standard slave cylinder. His conclusion was there was  
> too much pressure on the disk as I may have not backed off the  
> release bearing enough when I did the 2nd gearbox swap. I was  
> planning on pulling the gearbox anyway and sending it back to  
> Quantum, really needing to change out for a overdrive as I simply do  
> not have enough combination to run TWS on the straightaway before I  
> run up to my set limit of 6200 rpm.
> I would like to run with CVAR but they wont allow the T50... wonder  
> if I can run the T50 gearbox in other groups like SVRA or the like?
> Seriously considering one or the other, try the overdrive with the  
> slave or hydraulic release bearing, or putting the T50 back in a  
> race with another organization...
> Kindest regards, ya'll... yes I'm from Texas....
> Happy Thanksgiving to the group,
> Bobby Whitehead
> #53 CVAR EP Group II
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From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Nov 23 18:10:29 2008
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
Message-ID: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins


From britbits at netzero.com  Sun Nov 23 19:22:04 2008
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]
In-Reply-To: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
References: <4929FF05.2020406@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001501c94ddb$72339710$c4523542@jrg>

Try someone like Ted Schumacher at TSI Imports
(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com)

The 1500 manifold (UK version) is a direct bolt up to the 1296 cylinder
head.


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:10 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: 1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..]

For some reason this was sent to me instead of fot at autox.team.net

mjb.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	1.50 SU's with Spitfire 1296 intake..
Date: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:35 -0600
From: 	Bill Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	



Anybody got a lead on a pair of 1.50 SU's attached to an intake 
manifold to fit a 1296cc Spit motor??     Anybody???      Bueler??
Contact me off list at:
bkolnz at sbcglobal.net <mailto:bkolnz at sbcglobal.net> or
817-283-5858
 
Thanks
Bill Collins
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From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 12:23:59 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:23:59 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
Message-ID: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site (http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

Bill at kenalu.com
www.kenalu.com
blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog


From Billb at bnj.com  Mon Nov 24 13:08:42 2008
From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:08:42 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
References: <112420081957.7954.492B0745000A94BE00001F122215586394970A9D010507@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <40FA4121-A943-4668-BC81-67843774A347@bnj.com>

I _knew_ I'd screw that up.

On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:57 AM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
>
>> More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept
>> 6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.
>
>
> Bill,
>
> These dates are Sunday thru Wednesday. Did you mean Sept 4-7 (Friday  
> thru Monday)?
>
> Irv

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Babcock & Jenkins
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 13:58:31 2008
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph
In-Reply-To: <0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
References: <3E6C5C0A-EAC3-419A-B05C-9ED514A90766@kenalu.com>
	<0E502FC8-EE7E-4D0F-B675-2216E4140E64@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <001101c94e77$68b559c0$3a200d40$@racer@comcast.net>

Bill:

Good news!  I'll be there with "The Flying Brick".

Gary
1962 TR4

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:24 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

Sorry, this bounced because I used the wrong email account

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Babcock <bill at kenalu.com>
Date: November 24, 2008 9:15:29 AM HST
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Columbia River Classic and Triumph

I received word back from SOVREN that they enthusiastically support  
Triumph and the Kastner Cup for the CRC race. They were downright  
giddy about having Kas come--I guess I forget sometimes how venerated  
you are, Kas. There will be a special Triumph race and SOVREN will  
promote this as a Triumph event.  Since the CRC shares the venue with  
the All British Field Meet this will mean a heck of a lot of street  
and show Triumphs in the ABFM area.

I'm also going to aim at having a full-on autocross, probably in the  
ProPits. Some FOTers have participated in an autocross in this area  
before, when the Triumph register met in Portland.  The ABFM generally  
has an on-track autocross, but it's kind of one-shot. I'd like to get  
something set up that was real and challenging.

More details as we proceed, but we're on for Labor Day Weekend, Sept  
6-9 2009, Columbia River Classic and the Kastner Cup. Be there.

Incidentally, the CRC has always been a max track time event. The  
Lotus club usually holds a very inexpensive track day the day before.  
Registration, etc. on Friday, Practice/qualifying and FIVE races run  
Saturday, sunday and Monday, not including special races. On the basis  
of track time per dollar this is probably the best anyone can do,  
assuming you and your car hold up.

Here's the blurb on last year's CRC from the SOVREN site
(http://www.sovern.org 
  ):
COLUMBIA RIVER CLASSIC
                      At Portland International Raceway
                          In Conjunction with the All British Field  
Meet.
The weather is sunny hot as SOVREN takes to the road in this midseason  
event of the racing year at the Portland Intl. Raceway. This event,  
the Columbia River Classic Road  Race is an annual event with  
approximately 150 pre-1970 racecars that have been restored to mint  
condition. With its challenging course, the infamous festival turn on  
the straight and open layout, viewing is a real treat as the entire  
course is visible. Spectators will have the chance to view a variety  
of rare cars from the past including Porsches, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos,  
Corvettes, Austin Healeys and many more.  The 2008 event will salute  
the 40th anniversary of Formula Ford.  This race is held in  
conjunction with the largest West Coast All British Field Meet, with  
tons of British vehicles in attendance, a swap meet, a Range Rover  
demonstration, and a slalom. The Sunday night banquet is always a  
treat with lots of good food.  Racing will take place from 9:00a.m. to  
4:30 p.m. on Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. on Sunday and 9:00  
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday.


Bill Babcock
Editor
Ke Nalu e-Magazine
Paddlesurfing's Web Journal

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 14:27:40 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:27:40 -0000
Subject: [Fot] In memory of uncle jack
Message-ID: <C5D17BDA47C9475A941DD48C27F72B71@Bevan>

Friends

As many of you know, I'm currently intending to do a Charity Drive across the States and Canada next 
year in a Stag - to help three charities (non-profits) raise money for the treatment of so many who 
suffer from PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder.
There's a website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk which you're welcome to visit to learn more. 
There's also a button on it you can click to keep up to speed with update emails from me on progress 
in preparing for the event and (hopefully) a daily diary and video download once we get underway 
with the Drive itself.
The prime point of this email is to give FoTers the first public announcement of what I feel is a 
very important landmark in the run-up to getting underway.
As most (all?) of us know, Jack Drews was a perfectionist in the way his car was always prepared and 
turned out whenever he went racing. I feel it is not too soon to say the 1973 Stag that I will be 
driving on the event will entirely reflect Jack's no compromise standards, and for this, I'm 
entirely indebted to Joe Pawlak and his loyal team of dedicated helpers at Illinois Sports Owners 
Association who, even as I write, are completely rebuilding the car from the ground up.
It's by now had its final coat of Sapphire Blue (original colour) though it was white when bought 
earlier this year. We're keeping the hardtop white to hopefully reflect out some of the heat the A/C 
won't be able to cope with!
But now we come to the important bit. After a most courteous email from Tony Drews, I want all of 
you to know the Stag will have a name. I can think of a good few unprintable ones but I want you to 
be aware that as of now the TTACD Stag will be known as uncle jack. Tony was most insistent we keep 
to lower case letters throughout because this is how Jack always signed off his emails to the list 
and certainly to me. I do hope Jack would approve - but I think he will. Joe Pawlak and the team 
have done a stupendous job so far and I see no reason why this standard will not continue. There's 
another more personal issue for me that I hope uncle jack won't object to having on his front 
bumper.
My late Dad, Charles Macartney, after whom The Macartney Charitable Trust was named in his memory, 
was also a perfectionist in anything he undertook - especially if it was anything to do with 
engineering and production issues at the factory in Coventry. With that in view, I do hope no-one 
will object if uncle jack appears on the highways and byways of the USA and Canada with a replica of 
Dad's licence plate that he moved from car to car over the years. That plate was first issued by the 
Coventry Motor Tax office in 1956 and is TRW 777.
Thank you Tony, thank you Frances, uncle jack will live on in more than just your memories and I 
promise I'll do my very best to look after him as we complete our marathon journey.
OK FoTers - uncle jack is back with us and I hope in a form which would ensure his approval.

Jonmac
(John Macartney) 


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Nov 24 17:59:03 2008
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <OFFC470D40.75EAF07E-ON8525750B.0082D93F-8525750C.00056755@us.ibm.com>

As the proud new owner of a 70 GT6 MK2 I discovered that one of the
rotoflex couplings is dry rotted. I'm going to replace both of them and I
have a question. I was looking at my usual British parts supplier's
catalogs and I see a big difference in price for the couplings. There seems
to be 2 tiers of parts, some are in the $35-$45 range and then the others
are $135-$170. For example, the $40 part in the Victoria British catalog
looks like what I need but the large price difference makes me wonder if
I'm missing something. Is it just price gouging or is there a legitimate
reason for the $175 coupling vs the $40 one? BTW, the GT will be a street
car, not a racer, if that makes a difference for the parts.

Thanks
mike

63 Spit race car
70 GT6
71 spit ( work in process)
72 spit daily driver


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Nov 24 18:15:04 2008
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:15:04 EST
Subject: [Fot] Rotoflex coupling
Message-ID: <c9d.38fcf19c.365cab98@aol.com>

Firstly Welcome to the FOT,
 
We welcome newcomers...
 
The existing Roto's, when you sat dryrotted do you mean surface cracks or  
actual seperation?  If they're not breaking apart at the metal plates I'd  
encourage you to keep them which leads neatly to the second topic,
 
The repalcement Roto's now are pretty bad.  You get what you pay  for.  
Dependant upon your plans for the car, the cheapies may serve you  well for the 
amount of time you drive them.  If you love the car, do a lot  of miles on it or 
flog it regularly the high Dollar for proper Metalastik joints  could well be 
worth the expense.
 
Hope that helps...Steve
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Nov 25 04:59:30 2008
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>

Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue Nov 25 08:21:16 2008
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:21:16 EST
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Engine Plate for TR Morgans-delete if no interest in
 this subject
Message-ID: <bdc.3a6d07ab.365d71ec@cs.com>

List,

The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us 
to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates. 

If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may 
only be one production run.

Thanks for the favor....

Joe Alexander


From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Nov 25 09:45:47 2008
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3DFE@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <20081125114547.NXNCN.457454.imail@fed1rmwml28>

You will love this race track, smooth, great corners, big paved pit area, great town and lots of places to live close by. 
---- Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote: 

=============
Is there anybody here in the northeast or upper midwest that is thinking
of running the Columbia River Classic?

Oregon looks really far away on my map. I can't afford the time for a
cross country tow, but if a couple people were interested perhaps we can
figure out a way to get our cars out there for a not too unreasonable
amount of money.

If anybody has any interest, contact me offline. No promises here, just
looking to open a dialog with racers willing to blow a big chunk of
racing budget on what should be one heck of a weekend.
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Tue Nov 25 10:00:28 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:00:28 EST
Subject: [Fot] Columbia River Classic - any eastern racers going?
Message-ID: <cbf.2be26775.365d892c@aol.com>

I met with the organizers of this event and am interested in going from 
Florida. A big part of this will involve if the Group 44 GT6 gets accepted for 
Monterey (and holds together, if it does). I could then leave it out there for a 
few weeks.

By the way, picked up the painted GT6 shell from my painter yesterday. Frame 
is all powder coated   and assembly starts this weekend. Group 44 GT6 makes 
its first public debut at our booth at PRI show in Dec. Got this far in three 
months. Wife is not that thrilled with me right now.

And for those not wanting to go all the way to Oregon, remember our eastcoast 
semi-focus event at the Mitty May 1-3. 

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Nov 25 16:48:09 2008
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Please send contact
Message-ID: <492C8EB9.9010706@cfl.rr.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth.

Glenn Effington (FUBUG) please email phone number and/or email.

thxx, Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 10:29:51 2008
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Have a good holiday you turkeys!

:)

Steve
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 12:13:08 2008
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Gobble, gobble!
  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
southern climes someday.
  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
winter)
  Best wishes to everyone.
  Bill
  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
  >
  > :)
  >
  > Steve
  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 26 12:13:57 2008
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:13:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
Message-ID: <23442331.1227726837201.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm thankful to be a "Friend Of Turkey" (My Triumph has been called worse).
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: steve belfer <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 26, 2008 11:29 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
>
>Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>
>:)
>
>Steve
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From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 12:30:22 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
References: <2142184468-1227720664-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-760879508-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<000401c94ffb$04f83210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>
Message-ID: <A9021E6CC4174EDDAB5C60BCC9AC2CD8@Bud>

Happy Thanksgiving to all of FOT and theirs
Racer Bud
Spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" <william.tobin3 at verizon.net>
To: <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Turkey day


>  Gobble, gobble!
>  51 inches of snow in the last 10 days! Kas, I might join you in the
> southern climes someday.
>  (Full disclosure; a lot of the snow melted off but it could be a long
> winter)
>  Best wishes to everyone.
>  Bill
>  PS, anyone doing the Turkey Bowl?----- Original Message -----
>  From: "steve belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
>  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:29 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Happy Turkey day
> 
> 
>  > Have a good holiday you turkeys!
>  >
>  > :)
>  >
>  > Steve
>  > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From rsrpsmith at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:53:19 2008
From: rsrpsmith at gmail.com (robert smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:53:19 -1000
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
Message-ID: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha, all. Just a quick note to say happy holidays, let you guys know
that TS1 made it safe and sound to Hawaii, and ask for some race car
assistance. I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. This car was originally built as a mainland track car,
so changing the gear ratio is something I needed to do anyway in order
to get quicker starts off the line, and be able to climb to more gears
than just second during these SCCA autocross events on our track!
Thanks in advance for your reply, and a sincere "aloha" and happy
holidays to all from the islands. Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii

On 11/25/08, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
> List,
>
>  The Morgan folks collected enough advance orders to make it worthwhile for us
>  to do a production run of Morgan Alloy Engine Plates.
>
>  If you know of someone who might be interested, please let them know. It may
>  only be one production run.
>
>  Thanks for the favor....
>
>  Joe Alexander
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 14:36:52 2008
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
In-Reply-To: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>










...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
range of 4:11. ...



 ==AM==
Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)

Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't be a problem, either.)


 

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register 

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL:<http://triumph-herald.us>


From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 26 15:38:23 2008
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:38:23 -0000
Subject: [Fot] Request
Message-ID: <FFDF939DEFCE49D5A2CB8EB294E09E8A@Bevan>

Sorry to bomb list but I understand Russ More is a FoTer?
Russ, if you're reading this, could you please contact me off list, please?

John Macartney
In the UK


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 26 15:48:24 2008
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving
References: <8e3984150811261253s22f1cf71r8a44cb444abf1fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CB1E263B017624-1154-D03@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ED8EB8F71A024919B19E8B55BF6D6AF2@Bud>

Hi Gang...my friend, Dennis Ortenburger, has written a new book on auto 
racing in the 1960s..  Dennis has written several books, many specificaly on 
Lotus  To check out his new book at Xlibris.com go to 
www.theredleatherdrivinggloves.com
Racer Bud..spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Mace" <herald948 at aol.com>
To: <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] HELP! From Hawaii, and Happy Thankgiving


> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert smith <rsrpsmith at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...I have a Triumph Spitfire that was Bob and Jimmy Coan's
> ex-race car, and I was doing very well with it at Hawaii's only race
> track, which is an autocross cross course near Hilo. Then, I broke the
> pinion gear, and maybe messed up a ring gear too. This car has an IRS
> set up, and the third member I need has a stamping on it that is
> either: FC16959, or EC16959. This is the stamping on the snout of the
> two piece differential. What I would like to do is either have my
> existing unit rebuilt, but with a 4:11 ratio for our little autocross
> track, or buy a unit that will fit and is already geared low, in the
> range of 4:11. ...
>
>
>
> ==AM==
> Robert, FC would be correct, and that would be the original prefix for an 
> early Spitfire. Originally, they were equipped with a 4.11:1, as were most 
> Heralds (same diff.), but 4.55:1 gears were fairly common for racing 
> applications (my old autocrosser, an ex-GP SCCA racer, has a welded 4.55), 
> so it's likely(?) that your car has the 4.55 now. Anyway, again, the 4.11 
> is about the most common gearset for those cars, and it shouldn't be too 
> difficult to get a decent used set. (They seem to be unavailable new.)
>
> Canley Classics in the UK does list a "competition" 4.11:1 crown wheel and 
> pinion; I'll assume that fits the later, beefier MkIV/1500 differential. 
> And the 1972 model year "Federal" Spitfire MkIV came with a 4.11:1 diff, 
> which might be the same. That would have the "FK" prefix as opposed to the 
> more common "FH" prefix (3.89:1). You'd be able to use any later 
> differential with only changes to the flanges on the driveshaft and axle 
> shafts. U-joints are the same as are chassis mounts. (Only four stud holes 
> on the later Spitfire cases to hold the swing spring, but that shouldn't 
> be a problem, either.)
>
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph 
> Register
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
> Herald Database at its new URL:<http://triumph-herald.us>
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 13:49:11 2008
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:49:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fot crest
Message-ID: <5D5A3835-35E6-4FB0-A3F5-B61D4BA6E1FF@aol.com>

If anyone still has the fot.ai file that was sent out a while back,  
could you please send me a copy.
Thanks
dick ross


From dave at microworks.net  Sat Nov 29 16:22:32 2008
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:22:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] Stag and TR4/5 lost in propane fire
Message-ID: <20081129232323.PZXZ3946.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

 From another list...

>
>Seem his propane heater filled the basement with propane which ignited when he
>flipped an electric switch on.
>
>Video shows the Stag outdoors and what looks like a TR4-5 being 
>carried away on a tilt-bed.
>
>http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S680827.shtml?cat=300


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 20:56:25 2008
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:56:25 EST
Subject: [Fot] Gearing Question
Message-ID: <bf1.4280bd37.366368e9@aol.com>

I am looking for some sage advice on what gearing to use in the  differential 
of # 69.  Currently running 3:7 with overdrive.  On long  straights in O/D I 
run out of pulling power and top out at about 4500  rpms.  I also seem to not 
be quite right on some of the turns trying to  decide between 2nd or 3rd.  I'm 
wondering what if anything would be gained  by going to a 4:1?  What do you 
all recommend?
 
Thanks, Gary
 
Ps...Currently also running a Quaife.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 30 07:03:21 2008
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 corner weights
Message-ID: <BAY123-W172DDBCEC43F05B79C5CE9BA060@phx.gbl>

Anybody have the corner weights of a stock TR6 handy? While I am at it. Is
bump steer as big an issue on the TR6's as it is on other cars? I pulled the
tub off my TR4A to TR6 (aka TR250 wana be) yesterday and am pondering a bunch
of different directions. Should be an interesting winter.

Thanks,
Marty Sukey




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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Sun Nov 30 19:16:59 2008
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:16:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN. 



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season. 



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC! 



Thanks and do I have a second? 



John James 

#116 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:07 2008
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryv
	ille.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1527517917.913291228097314388.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081201023732.A0EE0187645@autox.team.net>

I'll second that one!

- Tony Drews

At 08:16 PM 11/30/2008, jcjcarrera at comcast.net wrote:
>Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. 
>Starke has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific 
>Northwest and has held numerous positions including VP and 
>Competition Chair with our regional group, SOVREN.
>
>
>
>Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance 
>Center, Inc and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage 
>racing cars, I've lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but 
>from our group's perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently 
>bought the remains of my old vintage racer, #24 which I originally 
>purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander. As I write, Starke is 
>working on rebuilding #24 and getting it ready for the 2009 season.
>
>
>
>One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the 
>Vintage Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!
>
>
>
>Thanks and do I have a second?
>
>
>
>John James
>
>#116
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Nov 30 19:37:30 2008
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership
In-Reply-To: <1357088967.914211228097819694.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <JNEKJOEPBFOGHGOLLGBIKEOOEBAA.macdonaldp@rogers.com>

I second Starke, welcome to the group.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of jcjcarrera at comcast.net
Sent: November 30, 2008 9:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FoT Membership


Greetings: I'd like to nominate Starke Shelby to the FoT membership. Starke
has been a longtime vintage racer here in the Pacific Northwest and has held
numerous positions including VP and Competition Chair with our regional
group, SOVREN.



Starke has his own insurance organization, Northwest Insurance Center, Inc
and one of his lines is covering collector and vintage racing cars, I've
lost track of the number of cars Starke owns, but from our group's
perspective, he has a road going TR4 and recently bought the remains of my
old vintage racer, #24 which I originally purchased from Uncle Jack and Joe
Alexander. As I write, Starke is working on rebuilding #24 and getting it
ready for the 2009 season.



One final plug for Starke---Starke has been an active member of the Vintage
Motorsports Council and is the current President of VMC!



Thanks and do I have a second?



John James

#116
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