From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 06:38:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel bolt Torque settings Message-ID: <000e01c87ba1$8dc3ce30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm re-assembling a GT6 engine, and am about to bolt on the flywheel using ARP hardware. I'm puzzled at what seem to be low torque settings in the factory manual of 42-46 lb, versus 58-60 for the bearing cap studs and 65-70 for the head studs, all of which are the same 7/16" x 20 thread size. Is this a function of bolts versus studs? If so, why haven't we gone to short studs for this highly vibration prone location? I would think the main bearing cap torque, where there is no gasket to compress, would be similar. Lastly, should I use thread locker or grease? My inclination is to use thread locker on these bolts which do not have any washers. From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:35:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:35:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <9567D270-5C8F-4875-A378-F8043143C5FC@xsmail.com> Originally FP raced by Bill Davis in the North east (limerock, pocono, glen) 1978- 1979 then was in the Marrs series 1980, Bill Davis still the driver. He started racing it in nationals in 1980 in the NE. Sue davis started racing it the same year. THe pair kept racing in NE events in 81-84. Car was transferred to W David Bailey early 1985. Car was idle 1985-1987, then started racing again in the MARRS series in 1988, 1989, 1990, and in 1990 was in the runoffs. Care was idle 1991 and 1992, and then was back out in the MARRS/NE 1993 and went to the 1993, 94 runoffs. Car was raced in the NE in 1995 and 96, but didn't go to the runoffs, and was idle 1997-1999 when it was transferred to larry tippett in south carolina. larry raced it in the SE region, at CMP, Atlanta, VIR, in 99, 2000-02, idle 03, 04, raced 05, idle 06 and I got in 07. Most of the racing parts I have, are labeled with either Davis or Bailey, so one of the two were doing the crank work, and I suspect Bailey, since he was doing runoffs... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 1 12:12:28 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Greetings FoT ! Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? Appreciate the group! Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:44:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:44:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <011601c87be5$72d7c650$0202a8c0@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Thanks Racer Bud! Ill give Scott a call Monday.......If you or your FOT folks make it to final Frontier (Alaska), look us up. I know all the fishing spots. Mike Mercier GT6+ 907 688-3766 RACER BUD wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: TeamTri at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] PARTS WANTED I have both new and used GT6 vertical links. If you still need one contact me at Team Triumph on Monday at 330-392-7176. Thanks, Scott Harper ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 6:32 PM From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 22:07:29 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted Message-ID: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. "hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you help? Cheers Mel melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 1 23:14:37 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:14:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted In-Reply-To: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080302061453.921F4187645@autox.team.net> Hmmm. What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that? :) - Tony At 11:07 PM 3/1/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 >or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. >"hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th >birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came >along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you >help? >Cheers Mel >melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:14:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> References: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803020814g43e9fe38gb725de897fdf7485@mail.gmail.com> If you go the limited slip route I suggest another $300 or so for the Tran-X Salisbury type is a better option. Ken Gillanders has at least one available. [Britsih Frame and Engines]. On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive > differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the > stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run > its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we > run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the > current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From Robertten1 at aol.com Sun Mar 2 09:17:13 2008 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:17:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: Amici - Let me chime in about this subject. Pick up any copy of the British car mags available and you will be floored at the asking prices of our beloved Triumphs. Once you calculate the dollar/pound exchange rate the sale prices at the auto auctions here is not far off the mark. Luckily the Spitfires have not jumped up in value but the big TRs in restored condition are sadly becoming too valuable to drive on the street. Sad because our cars are meant to be enjoyed driving not collecting dust in our garage. My $.02, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 2 14:07:11 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:07:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 investment? Locked versus Quaffe? Bobby Whitehead From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 2 14:48:30 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:48:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> References: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Message-ID: <20080302214847.68932187870@autox.team.net> A Quaiffe should give better turn in, but it requires both rear tires to stay on the ground. If you really unload the inside rear, it will spin up. You can set the car up so the inside stays on the ground, but you need to factor that into your setup. Should be easier with IRS than with the solid axle TR-4 that I've had experience with. - Tony D At 03:07 PM 3/2/2008, igofaster at charter.net wrote: >Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 >investment? > >Locked versus Quaffe? > >Bobby Whitehead >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 21:04:04 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: <003c01c87ce3$9f14f3b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 2 20:29:37 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:29:37 EST Subject: [Fot] The British Connection StandardPerformance Message-ID: FoT, Does anyone know Bennett French in Hendersonville, North Carolina? Thanks! Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 2 21:28:47 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:28:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: Yes I have and not had any problems. Actually the bushings aren't available for a TR6, so you buy the even and odd rockers complete. The shafts I've used on several applications without problems, MGB, Austin And Triumph. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:59 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Mar 2 23:02:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:02:03 EST Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential Message-ID: In a message dated 3/2/2008 11:00:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 > From: > Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root at fepweb03> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I > believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? > My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which > does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as > long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current > 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 Bobby, The GT6 differential ratios are 3.89:1 or 3.27:1, but you are probably referring to the alternative 3.63:1 ratio, not usually found on U.S. market cars, but normally on U.K. market Spitfire 1500's. There is no 3.73: 1 ratio differential. The Salisbury LSD is probably a better bet on the race cars than the Quaif, but the Quaif is better as a road car differential. Regards Leon From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 3 08:11:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Hi guys and gals, Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of interested racers. BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract 20 or more Triumph powered cars. The schedule is looking like this. Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, then a 18 lap race. Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group race, 20 laps! Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality center to hang out at. We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers to expect from us. Thanks gang. Henry Frye From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 08:35:30 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c87d44$36af10b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Count me in. Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 14:55:07 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) Message-ID: <025301c87d79$3f5fb1d0$0202a8c0@Bud> from craigs list San francisco bay area(east bay) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJohn at bart.gov To: BUDSCARS at COMCAST.NET Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:25 AM Subject: Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) ----- Forwarded by Bruce D John/MET/Oak/BART on 03/03/2008 07:25 AM ----- bjohn at bart.gov 03/03/2008 07:16 AM To bjohn at bart.gov cc Subject Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) bjohn at bart.gov has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks Reply to: sale-592223752 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-03-01, 10:25AM Complete front suspension with A arms , spindles,spax shocks,calipers,hubs, ect 20$ for the set 510-706-0169 a.. it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/592223752.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/vpmYA5GayFmYn5CdAY3bN ------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:08:48 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers on this one? -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 3 15:18:37 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:18:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2aa701c87d7c$86d9b350$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a > Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy > duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm > value? AFAIK, all the Crane CD ignitions require a ballast type coil be used without the ballast. Certainly my XR3000 does. The ignition box limits the current, so no ballast is needed. Randall From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:35:05 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:35:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031435g4ecea9bbye57b00cc0322c9f3@mail.gmail.com> So, I read the coil instructions -- no ballast required. Sorry, should have started there On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers > on this one? > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -- Chuck Arnold From igofaster at charter.net Mon Mar 3 17:33:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080303193303.DZNRE.89152.root@fepweb03> Bennett French is on eBay with performance items related to the Triumphs... BTW I've paid him 50% deposit on a composite leaf spring for a GT6 on eBay. He stated the delivery time was 2-3 weeks out... it's been over 4 weeks. He communicated (at my prodding) that the first group that came in didn't meet his satisfaction... I'm not having a concern.. YET... Bobby Whitehead From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 3 17:35:52 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Henry and others WPTA might be talked into something. Most of our members will be focused on the PVGP WPTA British Car Day event the following Saturday but there are a few of us who can scare up a tent and some Hospitality. After all it is in our backyard. Keep me in the loop and I'll see what interest I can develop. We of course are committed to the Watkins Glen weekend in September. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 20:24:25 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 In-Reply-To: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I plan on being there also. I am not sure if I will spend the night Saturday or drive home to Ohio and come back in the morning. I also plan on doing the autox so I am not sure yet of the time I will be available but if there is some way I can help out I sure will. Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 06:20:30 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear spring Message-ID: <126270.64742.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See the following section of the competition manual on converting a regular spitfire spring to a competition spring. Does anyone understand this? What does it mean to "reverse clips on the leaf"? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of competitionspring.bmp] From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 06:40:22 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:40:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site www.chequeredflagracing.com Thanks Joe Siam From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 07:38:53 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:38:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spit spring Message-ID: <132901.31032.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The lost attachment to my earlier message says: "remove the spring... and remove the clips which bind the spring leaves together. Counting the main leaf as number one, reverse the clips on the leaf. This will involve reversing the clips on the leaf and grinding flush the convex dimple locatin the rubber buttons on at the ends of the leaf...." What soes this mean? I have studdied a stock spring and do not understand the directors. Dale Oesterle From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 07:55:25 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA Message-ID: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> I am targeting a regional double at the end of march in south Carolina, and would like to get the car out for a test/tune day. I can't find a specific TT event, so if someone is aware of one in the northeast, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue Mar 4 08:03:25 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (JRH) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:03:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles References: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009a01c87e08$e5fa3f80$7fafe246@gcllawyers.local> Joe Siam wrote: > . . . I have more parts available More info is on my web site > > www.chequeredflagracing.com OK, but when I go to that website I get this message: The website declined to show this webpage Most likely causes: a.. This website requires you to log in b.. This error (HTTP 403 Forbidden) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but it does not have permission to view the webpage. JR Hill From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 08:47:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> Message-ID: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 09:41:39 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <18599027.1204648899985.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All sorry here is the correct address. >Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site > >www.chequeredflagracing.net > >Thanks Joe Siam From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 4 10:28:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subscription management Message-ID: <47CD86BA.4070802@bradakis.com> A couple of folks have asked about putting their email on vacation hold, so to speak. With Mailman, it is pretty easy to do. You should have just recently gotten a message from Team.Net listing your subscriptions and passwords for the various lists to which you subscribe. Click on the link listed in that message for the appropriate list, and log in using your password. Scroll down that page to the set of options. The top one listed is called 'Mail Delivery' with two choices - enabled and disabled. When enabled is set, you get mail from the list. If you set disabled, you won't get mail from the list, but you will still be subscribed. When you are back at your desk or whatever, you can repeat the procedure to enable mail delivery once again. I've mentioned this before as I recall, but this capability has another use. If you routinely send mail from different addresses, such as mjb at autox.team.net and mark at bradakis.com you can subscribe both addresses to the list, so that mail you send from either one will not be held as non-subscriber posts. And to avoid getting copies of each message sent to both addresses, you can disable mail delivery to one and enable the other. Hope this helps. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:30:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803041030m339b8899j9b59c643b249d449@mail.gmail.com> I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. So -- does anyone 1. Have one they could sell/loan 2. Know of any supplier who might have it on hand? 3. Know another email list to query? Help, help!! -- Chuck Arnold From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 16:27:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <450881A4-5D10-4C37-B1D4-57C8D052B57D@mac.com> Sorry, I saw this, but their first one is April, and I'm looking for March. Anyone know of one at Summit/VIR/BeaveRun/Pocono coming up soon? Anyone got a big open parking lot I can use in the Philly/SE PA area? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 16:39:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:39:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: Chuck, I would advise against the Unilite - they are a bigger piece of junk than the Lucas. I've had 2, and had to junk both. The advance mechanism allows the timing to move all over the place. The dual point system is good. I use one with my MSD but had to disable the second set of points. Shane Ingate in NM ---------------------------------------- I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 4 17:23:02 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (dodo at texas.net) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:23:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire MK1 1147 exhaust manifold Message-ID: <1204676582.47cde7e64f4da@webmail.texas.net> Does anybody have an 1147 exhaust manifold they want to sell? I removed the one on my AutoX car today to find that it has some serious corrosion issues. Thanx! Robert MacKenzie From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 18:56:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:56:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Interesting point of information. How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the "proper" identification of each. Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the states? Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cook" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > Hi- > > Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > to > correct it. > > A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > called a > TR4 Hardtop. > > The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > used > to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > top > won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > Surrey > Top was an extra. > > This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > car > was named and marketed. > > There, that's off my chest! > > Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > To: > N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > Re: > [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > 1963 > TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > in > 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > sure I > remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > story > other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > TR3A > and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > $30,000 > range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > likely > not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, > although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > and > thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > Get > tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as > mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 4 19:45:54 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Message-ID: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Yes, it was an option for the TR250. Bill Sohl wrote: > Interesting point of information. > > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > "proper" identification of each. > > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > states? > > Cheers, > > Bill Sohl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael cook" > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > > > >> Hi- >> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled >> to >> correct it. >> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly >> called a >> TR4 Hardtop. >> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was >> used >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel >> top >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The >> Surrey >> Top was an extra. >> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the >> car >> was named and marketed. >> >> There, that's off my chest! >> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> >> To: >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: >> Re: >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the >> 1963 >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back >> in >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make >> sure I >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real >> story >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and >> TR3A >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the >> $30,000 >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are >> likely >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, >> and >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! >> Get >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as >> mlcooknj at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Mar 4 20:29:46 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Cheers! The hardtop may have been optional on the TR-250 but I don't remember ever seeing one at the time. It would be useful to do a story in TVT but I may have to look hard to find a picture of the Surrey top installed. Mike> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500> From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> To: billsohl at optonline.net> CC: mlcooknj at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top> > Yes, it was an option for the TR250.> > Bill Sohl wrote:> > Interesting point of information.> >> > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > > "proper" identification of each.> >> > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > > states?> >> > Cheers,> >> > Bill Sohl> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael cook" > > To: ; ; ; > > > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop> >> >> > > >> Hi-> >>> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > >> to> >> correct it.> >>> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > >> called a> >> TR4 Hardtop.> >>> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > >> used> >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > >> top> >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > >> Surrey> >> Top was an extra.> >>> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > >> car> >> was named and marketed.> >>> >> There, that's off my chest!> >>> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > >> To:> >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > >> Re:> >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > >> 1963> >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > >> in> >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > >> sure I> >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > >> story> >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > >> TR3A> >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > >> $30,000> >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > >> likely> >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value,> >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > >> and> >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > >> Get> >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance.> >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)>> >> _______________________________________________>> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net>> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as> >> mlcooknj at msn.com> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >>> >> Fot mailing list> >> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >>> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net > >> > > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >> > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> >> > From trhouse at greenapple.com Wed Mar 5 06:51:33 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 07:07:41 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Marlboro Reunion Car Show - Call for vintage race cars Message-ID: <194484.33231.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, The SCCA Washington D.C. region last year started a program of documenting a large collection of photos, programs and literature dealing with Marlboro Speedway. This collection was generously donated by region member. Marlboro Speedway was located in Upper Marlboro and was the local track of the D.C. region for many years before Summit Point was built. The second documentation / reunion meeting, which is closed to the public, will take place on Sunday July 13th. However, there will be a free open to the public car show on Saturday the 12th at Surreybrooke Gardens in Fredrick Maryland. Steve Lloyd is the DC region historian and the person in charge of the car show. Steve is looking for vintage race cars to attend the show. I think Steve is also planning some sort of Marlboro presentation for the car show as well. So if there are any FOTers that would like to show off their TR in front of the public give Steve an email at wdcrhistory at comcast.net. The car show will be announced in the D.C. region's newsletter and web site. I know that there will be a group of past TR racers showing up that weekend. If any of you have read about "The Manor Boys" in Kas' latest book, come out and meet them in person. I know that at least three of them will be there. I am sure there will be a gathering of some sorts Saturday evening. I am planning to be there the whole weekend. For those who don't know, my Dad was the track announcer at Marlboro for my years in the early and mid '60s. Thumbs Up! Steve Benford Jr. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 5 07:14:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: References: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CCD33F4@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> If you search the internet you can find some interesting things out about this topic. There are now adjustable valves to replace the standard valves and ther are articles about shimming the springs to increase rate while tightening up the valve spring. I have pulled apart a competition set I have and I found some blue springs in place of the bronze colored ones in a standard shock. The oil recommendations vary as well. Google away. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Householder Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:52 AM To: Mike Cook; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net; rene at garrebeek.de Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Mar 5 09:25:42 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:25:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers References: Message-ID: <004301c87edd$8f27c6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Tom / Rene The guy to talk to on this is Derek at Stevson Motors in Birmingham - he is the authority on classic shocks as far as im aware. He has done all my twin valve and adjustable DAS9's and my adjustable DAS10's, with bump and rebound settings to match the weight of my car etc. no. of leafs in my rear springs etc. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: "Mike Cook" ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers > Can any one answer this question?? > > > Rene, > The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. > road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't > answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . > I > suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they > have > any input.. > > Tom > ---------- > From: Rene Garrebeek > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 > To: Tom Householder > Subject: rear dampers > > Hi Tom, > > U R G E N T > > Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the > biggest european oldtimer mag. > He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling > shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there > are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. > He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- > morrow... > Thank's if you can help > Reni > .+... Reni Garrebeek > ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 > ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 > ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de > .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4.tony at virgin.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Wed Mar 5 09:25:18 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:25:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx Any problems in doing this?? What parts are different?? Thanks in advance for any information Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 12:23:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:23:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > > Any problems in doing this?? Nothing insurmountable. The 4-synchro box is about 3/8" longer, so he'll need to elongate the holes in the rear crossmember to move the rear mount. For a TR3 (& TR3A to TS50000), he'll also need to modify the tunnel slightly, to clear the larger starter bulge (later 3A/B already have this change). Depending on the vintage of his new gearbox, he may need longer studs in the back of the engine (as the flange got thicker during the TR6 run), also longer bolts for the rest of the joint. Some advise changing the input shaft to the slightly longer TR3 version, but I found that the TR3 input shaft will not mesh with later TR6 gearsets; and the TR6 input shaft works fine for me. If he's keeping the TR3 clutch, it's probably worthwhile to change the gearbox front cover to the slightly longer TR3 version (and of course use the TOB that matches the clutch). The all synchro boxes lack the dipstick/filler found on the early ones, but it is possible to rebuild an early cover with the later forks & shafts to keep the dipstick (if he chooses, otherwise the fill plug on the side will work). If he keeps the later top cover, it may need to be drilled to accept the through-bolt for mounting the TR3 gearshift (of course, keeping the later gearshift is another option). If it's a late TR6 box (after approx 73), the speedo drive gear will be wrong. I don't know if the TR3 gear can be used or not, but maybe. Personally, I like the wide brass bushings that the TR3 used to carry the clutch cross shaft, so I replaced the narrow TR6 bushings. But that's purely optional. HTH Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 12:58:31 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Coffey, Jack A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx.... ==AM== Gee, doesn't ANYONE know how to double-clutch any more? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 13:05:47 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods From twakeman at razzolink.com Wed Mar 5 13:07:37 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47CEFD89.3080500@razzolink.com> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > Any problems in doing this?? My post TS-6000 has a TR4 overdrive gearbox. About all I recall doing is elongating the rear mounting holes and using the TR3 shift leaver in the TR4 gearbox. You will need the next length longer bolts at the bottom of the bell housing because the lip on the TR4 transmission is wider then on the TR3 transmission. This will also require you to readjust the clutch slave cylinder rod. I've no experience with the TR6 box. The gearbox mounts are farther to the rear than the TR4's mounts. You would need to bend down the flange on the TR3's cross member and drill new holes. Teriann From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 5 13:33:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? Message-ID: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. http://www.snotr.com/video/568 Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Mar 5 13:53:15 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:53:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <050501c87f02$efe518d0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Look at it this way, Don. We Brits are stuck on an island with rather too many people, the weather's usually lousy, the quality of food and service in expensive restaurants not much better, the beer's often served too cold - and we're taxed into oblivion. Ya gotta do something to keep yourself entertained! Actually, it's not a wholly British aircraft but the fruit of a European consortium :) Jonmac > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 14:31:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <002a01c87f08$54a6c2a0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How bought for the fuel or is this just a fancy editing job? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 5 15:10:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <003e01c87f0d$ae0dc6e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wasn't that on an episode of "Top Gear"? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 15:27:18 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:27:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? In my case, it was because the flimsy early bellhousing broke, and the later ones are considerably beefier. Thicker flange, plus more reinforcing ribs. Same casting used behind the Stag V8 (although there were some internal differences). IMO, many of the problems reported against the later gearboxes come down to improper installation. Both of my Stags came to me missing the important (IMO) dowel-bolts that locate the gearbox to the engine; and conversations with TR6 owners seem to indicate that few recognize the importance of the dowels. Rimmer Bros even sells ordinary bolts (with the customary undersize shanks) as substitutes. The resulting misalignment between gearbox and engine overloads the bearing and leads to early failure. At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in class at a VTR autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 16:46:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080305234654.EPCG20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Randall wrote : > At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in > class at a VTR > autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Uh, that was supposed to be TR6 _box_. It's actually in a TR3A, behind a relatively stock TR3A motor. Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:08:36 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup of tea so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used goodies for sale. 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in black. 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints 1 G-Force Gear Bag All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please contact me. It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. Bill of Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech Inspection. Car ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida Motorsports (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of experience racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor was built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget racing. It was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR authenticity points, except it currently does not have an alternator. Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is a top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. That used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty races at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the 50th Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression and makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so it is no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:14:07 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:14:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 Message-ID: Because the original message was too long the following are some of the specs on the car. Please contact me for more details or pictures. One nicely prepared 72 MG Midget It comes equipped with: Safety: Ishida/Pinnacle roll cage, including under-scuttle hoop and door bars. Built-in fire suppression system with nozzles in cockpit and engine bay. Professionally installed Fuel Safe 5 gallon fuel cell. Kirkey seat bolted to the cage. Will accommodate a fairly tall/large driver. Stainless steel brake lines and oil lines. Simpson belts with about 2 years life left. Forged front spindles. Suspension: Shimmed shocks and offset trunnion bushings for about 2 degrees negative camber. Double bearing hubs. Competition axles from Winners Circle. Front sway bar from Winners Circle with well-reinforced mounts. Rear adjustable sway bar from Winners Circle. Panhard bar. Urethane bushings throughout. Removable steering wheel. 450 lb. front springs. 1/2" lowered spring pans. 2" lowered rear springs. KN Minator wheels. Yokohama A032S tires, used, but with a few good races left in them. Engine and transmission: Legal 1275 motor bored .040 over. 1.5 ratio rockers. Rimflo valves. Winner's Circle sump. Lightened flywheel. 1 1/4" carbs. LCB header and custom side exhaust. EGT gauge and sensor setup. O2 Sensor system (not installed). Patented Littlefield quick-release radiator system. Pertronix ignition and Lucas Sport Coil. Magnecor wires. New Borg & Beck clutch and throwout bearing. Gear reduction starter (with Littlefield reliability mod). Quick release clutch slave cylinder. Electronic fuel pump and billet filter. 3/8" fuel line. Engine stabilizer. Stock transmission with reverse lock-out. Half a dozen or so races on rebuild. 3.9 rear end Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 Trades might be considered. Also has a VERY nice 79 MGB for sale. Orange or Vermilion as the British called it. Let me know if you have interest in that. It has just been freshly completed and ready for the season. Price on the MGB is $13500. High I know but you need to see what all it has. Trust me there has been a LOT more spent on the car. Cheers, Gary Fuqua **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Mar 6 05:52:33 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 Message-ID: I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can get by the cheese. Paul NFI http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 06:39:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:39:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if > you can get by the cheese. Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 6 07:45:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:45:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DAB8FE6-688F-47DA-B97E-45F18CB140E0@bnj.com> gaak. the guy should just keep it--and sleep with it. On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can > get by > the cheese. > > Paul > NFI > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p > hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 6 08:33:01 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Randall wrote: >> I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if >> you can get by the cheese. > > Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. > Randall regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:19:25 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <8CA4DBCFA864F3A-904-1818@webmail-de02.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. ==AM== I agree, Bob. There's also a pretty nice '59 TR3A on eBay right now, in BRG. It's restored (maybe a bit overrestored?), and some aspects of the car SCREAM restored as opposed to original. One obvious (to me) example is the repro grille on the green car, which looks fine until you compare it to an original and see that the repro has the narrower slots. I'd take that grey car any day over the green one...unless I could only have one AND wanted to drive the heck out of whichever one I bought. (I could not bring myself to do that to the grey car!) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:43:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <003901c87fa9$448b7590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> The car in Richmond was red-ish and from Rhode Island I think... http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2004/2004vtr-cwn/ Scroll to the last photos to see the cacoon... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 10:30:10 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 6 10:49:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:49:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <200803061049993.SM03332@[166.70.182.40]> Marty, I'm with you on this.B Its so easy to hit the delete button if I'm not interested. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "marty sukey" Sent 3/6/2008 10:30:10 AM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net, tedtsimx at bright.net, healeys at autox.team.net, shop at justbrits.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for SaleGary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 6 11:06:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: Message-ID: <007201c87fb4$de5df700$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Me Too. As long as it is an individual doing the posting and not a commercial venture, it is more of a service than a hinderance. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome > this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an > interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed > in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete > key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. > > Marty > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 11:29:13 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] [6pack] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306182913.YOV24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Gary and everyone else, please put me on your list to notify > any time you have parts for sale. While I had no problem with Gary's posts (which I would not classify as "commercial"); I would like to point out that there IS a Team.Net list specifically for such things. It's called 'autojumble', and oddly enough is one of the few lists I'm subscribed to that Gary didn't hit Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 13:07:51 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:07:51 EST Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Corey, this was a posting for a friend that wants to recoup some of his investment. I have NO financial interest in this. Classic Sports Cars is just the way my sign off goes out. Besides, there are plenty of people who know me personally from that. This is the ONE and ONLY posting of this nature I have made. I am NOT running my business through the 6-Pack list. This was NOT a commercial posting and you know it. So, with all due respect. Chill out. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 16:17:29 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac From britbits at tiu.net Thu Mar 6 16:37:00 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <005301c87fe2$fab37320$f5e435cf@jrg> John, If you were offering "over the door cup holders to match the color of your car"..(hmmm, could I get one with rust holes? ;) then I'd order you to wear the scarlet "C" on your chest. The charity drive is an admirable cause and is exempt (in my opinion) of the commercialism charge... although I guess I'd prefer that any "profits" from the book of the experience also somehow go to charity. Or maybe to setting up another charity drive? Just to keep the karma intact. >From the comments it sounds like someone beat up Gary on his listing of a race car and driving apparel today on one of the Triumph lists. As others have said.. the delete key still works and it's not like we're seeing 10 messages a day from a list member hawking bits and pieces. I've tried.. but the darn SPAM filter Mark B runs keeps killing my posts. Oh well, I'll stick to posting ads on VTR. ;) So from someone who was not "active" when the cars were being built but loves to find out the "why" on the things the factory did... keep on posting. Or add me to your private listing for updates on books, etc. Cheers, Jim Dallas "now back to lurk mode" britbits at tiu.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:17 PM To: marty sukey Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; gsfuqua1 at aol.com; 6pack at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at tiu.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 6 17:24:45 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it was his cup, or not. It does put materials into circulation, though. Bill On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup > of tea > so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used > goodies for > sale. > > 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in > black. > 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue > 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) > 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava > 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks > 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) > 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) > 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) > 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints > 1 G-Force Gear Bag > > All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! > > We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget > > For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please > contact me. > It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. > Bill of > Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech > Inspection. Car > ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. > > > This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida > Motorsports > (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of > experience > racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor > was > built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget > racing. It > was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR > authenticity points, except it currently does not have an > alternator. > Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is > a > top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. > That > used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has > gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty > races > at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the > 50th > Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. > > The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression > and > makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so > it is > no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. > > > Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable > offers. > Reasonable being the key word. > > I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ > (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From jibjib at att.net Thu Mar 6 17:33:13 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:33:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com><8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 6 17:53:37 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 18:41:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:41:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us did our own mechanical work Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting > into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually > learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and > resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. > > At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>was his cup, or not. >>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 19:22:06 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <006e01c87ffa$0a6b87f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I read Hemmings for entertainment, not because I'm a buyer mostly. Stuff for sale here comes under the same category if posted by members in my view. Those of you who are FOT and in the business commercially often have invaluable advice and knowledge, even if you may have a financial interest in sharing it. I am absolutely ok with that. If it gets out of hand it's clear we'll let the offending party know or boycott them as a seller. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "marty sukey" Cc: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale > Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically > 'mis-used' the lists for > the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so > many people kindly > ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further > thought occurs. As many > know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next > year in a Stag and there's > a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much > money as I can for three > charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than > writing another book about > the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k > out of the trip and many on > the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the > trip itself. > If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' > in which there is a > prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates > off these lists and only > notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on > the website. > I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should > proceed from now onwards. I also > apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 7 06:36:29 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:36:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CD5D122@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance concerns. There are a lot of reasons why someone would change their mind about becoming a racer. Getting fender to fender, three or four (or more) wide, at the end of the front NASCAR straight at TWS, whichs drops you over the apron onto the road course is a pretty good place to judge whether this is something you want to do. If you get to do it in the rain you will know for sure! At our last two CVAR events we had a solo wreck/roll-over (both big Healeys) totalling out 2 very nice cars. I've been doing this for 12 years with CVAR and I can attest that it is extremely rare for a wreck such as this to happen in CVAR. It is much less than one per year on average. With 6 events and over 100 cars per event I think we have done fairly well. I wouldn't be surprised if seeing the results of one of those incidents wouldn't scare off a few potential racers. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 7 10:00:19 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:00:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: In a message dated 03/07/2008 7:36:53 AM Central Standard Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an > exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only > allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance > concerns. The VSCDA has 'similar' STG (Sports Touring Group) sessions at it's SPRING BRAKE event in early May at GINGERMAN. They also have a 'Driver's School' on Thursday night (class) and Friday (track). There is racing on Saturday and Sunday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cak at dimebank.com Fri Mar 7 10:38:48 2008 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? Message-ID: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 7 11:07:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <004901c8807e$144d3d20$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wilma borrowed Fred's car. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 7 11:49:37 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:49:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: All Spitfires come that way in the Midwest. On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 13:51:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Fri Mar 7 14:24:23 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:24:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8018EC3B0@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. BTW...I can double-clutch (learned to drive in a MGA) but my friend can't......:-) Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:29:33 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:29:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:42:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com><20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <007a01c8809c$1ae86330$d214c548@RW> I think the most expensive personal driver item in the 1960 era was a new Toptex helmet at about $95.00. No socks, shoes, underwear, driving suit, gloves etc, . None of it, and lap belts only. Admitted a $100 then is like 5or 6 now but still that investment or even borrowed got you in the game to see if this cup of tea fit you. Lots of guys got in for a single race and then decided "whoa, its was not for me". ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers > after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us > did our own mechanical work > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > > >> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting >> into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually >> learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and >> resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. >> >> At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>>was his cup, or not. >>>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>>Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 15:54:12 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks hot. Probably gets around VIR several seconds faster than me. Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From igofaster at charter.net Fri Mar 7 16:03:51 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 18:28:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <000401c880bb$ac953b40$b1191718@computer> I bought that '59 TR3A slightly used in 1962, first gear was definitely synchronized as my friend at the time had an MGA that definitely was not syncro. From that day forward, I have always thought that Triumph was that much ahead of MG but I guess it is entirely possible that somebody before me swapped out the tranny. Looking back, I'm glad they did. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 7 18:37:20 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 20:03:48 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face on Sunday night as you are loading up)! Call if you need any help - Ed senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 7 20:11:29 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From britbits at tiu.net Fri Mar 7 20:38:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:38:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 20:42:06 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:42:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera Message-ID: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 21:07:01 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Jim wrote: Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Mar 7 21:19:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I picked one of these up off Amazon.com for those reasons. I should be trying it out at the race I plan to run end of March at CMP, and will post the video... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 21:40:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:40:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: A friend of mine here in Maui uses one extensively for in-water video. they work well. You need a fully charged battery and at least a 2GB SD card to get good use out of them, but the price is definitely right. On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's > website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for > taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video > quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate > further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the > product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 21:50:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last year. But it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I should have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "William G Rosenbach" ; Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of > course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already > dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I > don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just > going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and > drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of > what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the > committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded > and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face > on Sunday night as you are loading up)! > Call if you need any help - Ed > > senbach at juno.com> wrote: > >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a > reliability improvement. > > Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will > eventually rather have you there, as not. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:26:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:26:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last > year. But > it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I > should > have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "William G Rosenbach" ; > > Cc: ; > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > > >> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as >> is. Of >> course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already >> dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the >> task. I >> don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is >> just >> going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out >> and >> drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have >> evidence of >> what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the >> committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were >> unfounded >> and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your >> face >> on Sunday night as you are loading up)! >> Call if you need any help - Ed >> >> senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>>> I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a >> reliability improvement. >> >> Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they >> will >> eventually rather have you there, as not. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:31:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or not, here's a retry: I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 23:06:41 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <014601c880e2$945c2490$d214c548@RW> > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:05:13 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:05:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47D248B9.1090404@bradakis.com> > wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or > not, here's a retry: > For some reason you had fot-request at autox.team.net in the recipient list of your message. The bounce was from Mailman not being able to figure out what sort of email admin request your message contained. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:07:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <47D24930.9080203@bradakis.com> What?? Are you trying to make some sort of statement about my stable of cars? Actually, the white squaretail Spit I drove last year still doesn't have the tranny cover in place, so one does get a good look at the road from inside ;-) I may get around to getting it dusted off and ready for spring driving weather soon. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 8 07:35:59 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:35:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601c88129$bba47a60$6402a8c0@HOME> Weeks agon I've bought a Panasonic SDR-S150. A SD camcorder with good resolution and a small housing. It will replace my old VHS video cam which I've used. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From britbits at tiu.net Sat Mar 8 07:53:24 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 8 09:11:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:11:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 T50 GEARBOX PHOTOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080308111103.L58MQ.16049.root@fepweb07> TRY TO SHARE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE T50 GEARBOX IN THE GT6+ BOBBY WHITEHEAD [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00085.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00080.JPG] From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 8 09:12:36 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Amici, I would have to agree with Kas. The secret is to use NOS parts in the box, not the garbage currently available. Yes, it is expensive. Yes, it is hard to find parts in a timely fashion, but the wise racer buys the stuff when it becomes available, not when it is needed (whoops, gave away a little secret). Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 > From: "Kas Kastner" > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 8 09:19:55 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> Message-ID: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> > I wouldn't be surprised to > find I have four to five grand in each. I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a semi-rigid trans mount? Just kidding... sort of. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:31:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not me), etc. Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll be at least three grand into it as well. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> I wouldn't be surprised to >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a > semi-rigid trans mount? > Just kidding... sort of. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Mar 8 09:47:30 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I always just took one out of an old car and put in mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00> From: Billb at bnj.com> To: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes> > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand.> After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not> me), etc.> > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted,> do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source> gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll> be at least three grand into it as well.> On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote:> > >> I wouldn't be surprised to> >> find I have four to five grand in each.> >> > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to> > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a> > semi-rigid trans mount?> > Just kidding... sort of.> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> > TR4 #314> > Albuquerque NM> > Bill Babcock> Babcock & Jenkins> Billb at bnj.com> 503.936.7660> www.bnj.com> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:50:08 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1AFB5151-3456-4733-B929-BCC31D5CC14A@bnj.com> works fine, and that's exactly what I used to do. the occasional failure was just part of the deal. but I take long trips to race now, and I don't want stuff breaking on the road. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:47 AM, wrote: > I always just took one out of an old car and put in > mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00 > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes > > > > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > > me), etc. > > > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything > blueprinted, > > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, > source > > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > > be at least three grand into it as well. > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > > > >> I wouldn't be surprised to > > >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > > > > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > > > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes > into a > > > semi-rigid trans mount? > > > Just kidding... sort of. > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > > TR4 #314 > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 13:33:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 14:05:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:05:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: sounds like a handy feature, it will keep you from shifting too frequently. You might consider adding a relay into the circuit. What you're being shocked by is not the 12 volts, but the flyback voltage generated by the solenoid. A relay has a solenoid too, but it's dinky and won't sting. an insulated switch would also do the job. On Mar 8, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rob wrote: > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 8 16:46:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:46:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D32538.5080707@pobox.com> Bobbie, Would you please clarify? Most of this thread has assumed you are installing a GT6 gearbox. I thought you were installing a TR4-6 gearbox. I don't know much about the GT6 box, but understand the reliability issues are like night and day. Larry Young igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sat Mar 8 19:57:21 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:57:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bobby bought a car that was well prepared and accepted as is by more than one vintage organization. He took the drivers school and they immediately jumped on him to get the gearbox changed. George even twisted my arm to come and help over the winter (4 hour drive each way) so that Bobby could get it up to CVAR spec before he came back again. While Bobby should be driving his car and learning how to be a safe racer while attaining his VMC license he has to stop and tear into a perfectly good car. Why can't this wait until something in the driveline breaks. It will happen and whether it takes a year or three who really should care? How long have the illegal engines been a problem. They aren't so obvious. I'm not talking Moldex or 89's here. We have some awfully fast FP cars too. Please don't forward this ot George. I don't want the feedback. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:53 AM To: 'EDWARD BARNARD' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 20:30:56 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:30:56 EST Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Well said Bob!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 07:19:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <003f01c881f0$931a07f0$6be435cf@jrg> Bob, Now you've lost me. What all did CVAR "dislike" about the car? Just the gearbox? Or were there things changed over the winter (after Eagles Canyon)? And I guess the real question was... during the discussions with CVAR was it a set list of changes required, or did it turn into a "honey - do" list with things added as Bobby went along? And was the authenticity committee involved? Run group leader? CVAR leadership? CVAR makes a bit point on the club website to "discuss a 'new' car with the various run group leaders" to determine elegibility. My concern is that these guys aren't giving a consistent story. When I ran in 1995 authenticity was a "nice idea" but not really enforced. They did suggest that I replace my 13" rims with 10", but it wasn't a requirement. Melting a piston going into Turn 1 meant I didn't have to worry about the rims after that :O Watching the dicing on track is interesting, but I think they made a philosophical mistake by calling it 'racing'. As an exhibition, things like the gearbox wouldn't really matter. My .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:57 PM To: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 9 09:10:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:10:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can add; close ratio gears from England, hardened lay shaft, custom made laygear with double length high speed roller bearings at both ends, REM treating of all moving parts, race prepared 'J' type overdrive, modified mounting brackets, etc. Allen On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > me), etc. > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > be at least three grand into it as well. > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > >>> I wouldn't be surprised to >>> find I have four to five grand in each. >> >> I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to >> papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a >> semi-rigid trans mount? >> Just kidding... sort of. >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 9 09:14:13 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there were cross over years? Any other tips from the outside that its a synchro, perhaps my memory fails me. Would not be the first time... Finally, I always assumed these transmissions were exactly the same otherwise; will it take the overdrive unit from my older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to exchange it? Frankly, I've come close a few times but for some reason, I kinda like being reminded that this car is truly from a different era and a non-synchro trans is a constant reminder, especially after a long winter... Its fun being able to match gears manually when a downshift into first while moving becomes necessary but I gotta admit that when you blow it - its not pretty. A skill that will go with our generation along with cleaning record albums, maintaining vacume operated winshield wipers and making salad from an actual head of lettuce... Cheers, Mark From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 17:27:36 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:27:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 09:35:39 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR and authenticity In-Reply-To: <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88203$9f43c2b0$aae435cf@jrg> At very least CVAR needs to update the rules listed on the website. >From the website: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com/cvarrules.html Cars that are prepared beyond allowable modifications will be penalized points, reassigned to another race group or excluded from competition at the discretion of the Vehicle Regulations committee. Cars with more than 5 penalty points are not eligible for championship and may be moved to exhibition group So from what's posted, Bobby could be allowed to run but not be eligible for the cheap plank of fiberboard at the end of the year. In the mean time they're collecting dues and getting $$$ to help pay track rentals, etc. Yeah, I got burned out from dealing with some of the rule book waving autocross types who played personality games got get what they wanted. That's what I liked about CVAR at the I ran.... much more laid back. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM Autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275s vintage racer and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:08 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I agree, Bobby should be given at least a year. CVAR should be more consistent in their treatment of cars which are new to CVAR versus those that have been there. I suspect there are cars that have been running for years with more important authenticity issues. As you know, my car has been in CVAR for the past four owners. When I got it, it was loosing the maximum number of authenticity points, and it had been that way so long that no one could remember what the points were being lost for. I corrected some of the problems because I wanted to, not because CVAR demanded it. I don't disagree with the CVAR rules, but they should be uniformly enforced. Larry Young From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 9 09:56:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Commercial Issues and the FOT Message-ID: After watching a recent exchange on several lists............ Our FOT has reaped the benefits of it's 'freewheeling' style of exchanging information, ideas, and product sources. No rules, no dues, no board of directors, no backbiting, no need. The benefits? Faster Triumphs Safer Triumphs Respected Triumphs Better Business Decisions More Knowledgeable Triumph Racers. This FOT list has fostered the development of several speed and safety related products, in addition to bringing back some race proven items of the past. That cant happen without a little 'commercial' discussion from time to time. Without any rules, we have the right to exercise personal discretion, without refering back to a 'manual'. Of course we cant make everyone happy all of the time. But I remember someone saying that is what a "DELETE" button is for. Joe A From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 10:43:44 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers Message-ID: Hello all, Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY replacement parts: Thrust washers Crank & rod bearings Timing chain Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 9 11:12:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080309191222.5CD6E18765D@autox.team.net> British Parts Northwest has AE cam chains, trimetal bearings, and talks about decent thrust washers on their website. - Tony Drews At 12:43 PM 3/9/2008, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >Hello all, >Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of >the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only >normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk >part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. >While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY >replacement parts: >Thrust washers >Crank & rod bearings >Timing chain > >Thanks in advance, >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 9 12:10:05 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 9 12:24:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CCBE5A773064102AA66430CCE2EFE24@Mobil> I have a simple lever knob for shifting the OD at my steering wheel. The knob is connected to a relay. So there is low voltage on the knob. To keep moisture away from the knob I glued a cap of a text marker on the connectors. Looks nice. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 13:35:59 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three > decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the > synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember > driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted > it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there > were cross over years? I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, later 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But as I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > Any other tips from the outside that > its a synchro, The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right behind the fill plug. > will it take the overdrive unit from my > older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to > exchange it? You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of the countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's uprated plates. Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 14:28:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hans device Message-ID: <001501c8822c$862235e0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> The hans device has been improved to hold the neck and head in a side impact as well as frontal Its called the hybrid.Its made buy Safety Solutions Fox TV high lighted it to day on a "State Farm safety report" on to days NASCAR broadcast Trouble is I can't find any more info. on it. Is anyone familiar with it?? I would suggest if anyone is getting ready to spring 800.00 to a 1000.00 bucks for the hans they may want to look at this product before they buy. thanks rob From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 14:46:20 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Makes perfect sense. Glad I asked. Greg On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:58 PM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > probably main cap not centered fore & aft, only one washer took the > load. > HTH > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg - Lunker Hilyer > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 1:43 pm > Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers > > Hello all, > Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of > the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only > normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk > part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. > While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY > replacement parts: > Thrust washers > Crank & rod bearings > Timing chain > > Thanks in advance, > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Mar 9 14:54:48 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <004301c88230$34254d00$6401a8c0@Elliott> Or maybe someone just swapped the top from an earlier gearbox with the dip-stick onto this one. I know that a late TR3A (TS 81551 L) that I restored had no dip-stick. My own 1958 TR3A (TS 27489 LO) has the dip-stick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 >> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three >> decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the >> synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember >> driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted >> it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there >> were cross over years? > > I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 > synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to > accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, > later > 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But > as > I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; > possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > >> Any other tips from the outside that >> its a synchro, > > The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right > behind > the fill plug. > >> will it take the overdrive unit from my >> older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to >> exchange it? > > You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a > different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also > changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the > later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of > the > countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and > prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's > uprated > plates. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 16:17:39 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:17:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > Makes perfect sense. Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : how the load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear washer ? Cap misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the lower rear washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it would carry the load from the clutch. Randall From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 15:15:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? Message-ID: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the valve guide. Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 16:37:39 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:37:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part added up to what I found. Thoughts? Comments? Please? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: >> Makes perfect sense. > > Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : > how the > load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear > washer ? Cap > misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the > lower rear > washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it > would carry > the load from the clutch. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 18:27:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for > reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be > grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack > of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what > causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the > switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good > ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. > > When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative > voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your > ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best > solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to > suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in > electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic > controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the > solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the > negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It > could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. > > Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM > Subject: [Fot] A type OD > > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 18:50:45 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: "Randall" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned > rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all > the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear > washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? > > Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . > 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 > halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but > rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of > material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . > 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, > the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. > I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure > plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race > before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the > crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence > from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] > perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part > added up to what I found. > Thoughts? Comments? Please? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Makes perfect sense. >> >> Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : >> how the >> load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear >> washer ? Cap >> misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the >> lower rear >> washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it >> would carry >> the load from the clutch. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jwoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 9 18:55:16 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. Steve, I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time lines which are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which must be respected. Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with the BRE "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. Spoilers always had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is incorrect. You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe in photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to conclude that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That would be true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations expect MGB's to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant in the eyes of a historian.B All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify time lines and periods of eligibility. If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't fit the template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you are outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional organizations. If you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to be racing against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if you wish to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they are defined and history dictates. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 18:58:28 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A type OD References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001501c88252$3c130df0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Cool there are some boom boxes in this hood i would like to jam kidding Actually i am not it would be nice to shut down the kids with base so loud my teeth are rattling and there three cars back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Gary Schneider Cc: Rob ; FOT Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A type OD Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 9 18:59:21 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:59:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the load. Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, but don't hold your breath. mjb. From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 19:06:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under the car was important too. On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage > sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic > photos that > most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of > "styles", > from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut > sheet of > aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. > Steve P. > > > > > > Steve, > > I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time > lines which > are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage > organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which > must be > respected. > > Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with > the BRE > "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. > Spoilers always > had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late > seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. > > My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is > incorrect. > > You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe > in > photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to > conclude > that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That > would be > true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations > expect MGB's > to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B > > As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant > in the eyes > of a historian.B > > All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify > time lines > and periods of eligibility. > > If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't > fit the > template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you > are > outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional > organizations. If > you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to > be racing > against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. > > This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if > you wish > to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they > are > defined and history dictates. > > Jack Woehrle > > SVRA Technical Director > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 19:34:43 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth to see it in action, but I get it. So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >> the front washer[s] take the force >> > > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the > load. > Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, > but don't hold your breath. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 19:46:20 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> Message-ID: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a > Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some > rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late > development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long > after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under > the car was important too. > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > >> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >> photos that >> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >> "styles", >> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >> sheet of >> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >> Steve P. >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >> lines which >> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >> must be >> respected. >> >> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >> the BRE >> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >> Spoilers always >> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >> >> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >> incorrect. >> >> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >> in >> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >> conclude >> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >> would be >> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >> expect MGB's >> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >> >> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >> in the eyes >> of a historian.B >> >> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >> time lines >> and periods of eligibility. >> >> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >> fit the >> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >> are >> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >> organizations. If >> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >> be racing >> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >> >> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >> you wish >> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >> are >> defined and history dictates. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> SVRA Technical Director >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 20:16:05 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <20080310031614.SZZA17893.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 20:16:41 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA comp. It references Peter Brock. http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began showing up on the street. The rest is history". From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 20:26:01 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reasonable source for TR7 wheel studs? Message-ID: <003401c8825e$7823d4d0$2fe435cf@jrg> Anyone know of such an animal? I was just looking at Rimmer Bros today... $15.50 before shipping. each. Ouch! TIA Jim Dallas From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 21:25:11 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:25:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I meant Peter Brock. On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] > under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake > cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. > Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it >> was a >> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >> the car was important too. >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>> photos that >>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>> "styles", >>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>> sheet of >>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>> Steve P. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>> lines which >>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>> must be >>> respected. >>> >>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>> the BRE >>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>> Spoilers always >>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the >>> late >>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>> >>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>> incorrect. >>> >>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>> in >>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>> conclude >>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>> would be >>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>> expect MGB's >>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>> >>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>> in the eyes >>> of a historian.B >>> >>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>> time lines >>> and periods of eligibility. >>> >>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>> fit the >>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>> are >>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>> organizations. If >>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>> be racing >>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>> >>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>> you wish >>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>> are >>> defined and history dictates. >>> >>> Jack Woehrle >>> >>> SVRA Technical Director >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 22:45:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:45:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward I agree. But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear flank of the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); transferring all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... certainly if something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force the crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust washer. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 22:14:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <4818C17A-9EB7-4F63-8DEE-D1F5ED75F2C3@bnj.com> Lot's of things can ruin the front thrust washer, but one thing to check for sure is residual pressure in the clutch hydraulics. a lot of master cylinders are provided with a residual pressure valve in place-- you have to take them out if you're going to use them for the clutch. easy to determine if you have one--pump the clutch a few times, release and then open the bleeder. if it squirts, that's your culprit. Not only can it toast your thrust bearings, it's also very hard on the clutch and throughout bearing. On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Randall wrote: >> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward > > I agree. > > But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear > flank of > the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); > transferring > all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? > > However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... > certainly if > something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force > the > crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust > washer. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 22:18:27 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:18:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity References: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <015601c8826e$2bf83780$d214c548@RW> We had done he same thing with the TR-6. Brake scoops. Hah!!! Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA > comp. It references Peter Brock. > > http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php > > "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance > modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts > (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." > > And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock > > http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm > > "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they > did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake > scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the > front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was > permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began > showing up on the street. The rest is history". > > From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct > > http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s > > > > > At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >>under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >>cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >>Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >>Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >>TR4 #314 >>Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From johnkipping at inet.net.nz Mon Mar 10 00:43:27 2008 From: johnkipping at inet.net.nz (John Kipping) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:43:27 +1300 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? In-Reply-To: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <47D4E69F.5080005@inet.net.nz> The valve springs should have some sort of bottom collar - but I'm not sure how important it is. Mk Is had an inner spring which held down a small ring which sat inside the outer spring. Mk IIs had a pressed metal "top hat" section. Cars with double springs should use a machined "top hat" section. Scott Janzen wrote: > I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve > springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior > heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that > prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of > the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the > valve guide. > > Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are > supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 04:59:02 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:59:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 speed trans Message-ID: <3732729.1205150342930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am in need of a rebuildable 4 speed trans out of a TR7. I'm in So Cal Thanks Joe 818 350 6222 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Mar 10 08:02:16 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fine Cheese? Message-ID: Check out the TR3 again and read the questions that have been asked and answered. Close to $40K already and 5 more days to go. This guy can sell my next car for me.... Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170199490 934&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 10 09:08:58 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 10 09:30:22 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do like those 510s, you can get a lot of beans out of that motor. On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look > over the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought > of a lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at > the Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the > spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Mar 10 10:01:39 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SVRA regs. GT6- Group 44 style lip spoiler. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. JWoesvra at aol.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 03/10/08 08:08 AM To dave at microworks.net, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Fot] So a question? In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 12:21:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: Message-ID: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the kudos for the air dam. damn! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 13:47:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:47:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA Message-ID: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 21:50:41 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:41 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However many of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam act by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone explain the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away with it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a > few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The > hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the > tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. > I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No > joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the > car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of > the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the > kudos for the air dam. damn! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > dave at microworks.net writes: > > > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > > they did in 1968? > > > > > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > > the fence. > > > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > > lot > > of tricks but missed that one! > > > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > > Datsun > > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:06:23 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:11:34 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx Shane Ingate in NM Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 From: triosan at gmail.com To: hottr6 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA CC: fot at autox.team.net So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 10 14:20:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? I'm not getting in this discussion. :-) > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first > got them. I got some from TRF about 4 months ago. They're a bolt-on and brand-new. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 14:43:10 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <00c801c882f7$bcc306d0$d214c548@RW> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Steven Preiss" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a > spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a > devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the > spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down > on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a > couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear > spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you > can only go to the well so often. > > The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on > the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots > of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it > direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD > PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year > 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We > also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't > remember for certain without checking some old photos... > > In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru > 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. I also have several photos of my TR-6's at Riverside with spoilers and at the Atlanta runnoffs in 1971 WITH SPOILER. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 10 17:40:44 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D5D50C.7030500@cfl.rr.com> GT6's ran the same lip spoiler. Shane Ingate wrote: > Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: > http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? > > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got > them. > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your > "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 18:56:36 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:56:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions Message-ID: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello guys and gals I thought I would forward this to the list incase anyone is interested ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: safety solutions > Rob, > > I send you e mail because we are not registered on the team net FOT (too > much e-mail) > > Safety Solutions appears to be a distributor for the Hutchens device > > http://www.hutchensdevice.com/ > > The above is the address for Safety Solutions > > I know nothing about them, I do know Hans came out this year with a more > economical model, the Hans sport, it sells for 695.00 and until June is > only available in medium. It has all the same qualities as the other Hans > but weighs more. > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. > > Check Specmiata.com for their forums, there is a lot of discussion about > the devices. I'm sure the circle track guys also talk it up on their > forums. > > Scott Adams > Stockton Racing - 71 Crowd > Cheif Shit Stirrer and Cook From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Mar 10 19:45:55 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions In-Reply-To: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 09:56 PM 3/10/2008, Rob wrote: > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a lot easier to see the corner workers' signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that I've ever done that, of course...). R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 11 04:35:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] HANS upgrade, was safety solutions In-Reply-To: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE4F@server.Triumph.local> What a great idea. I just ordered my set of sliding tethers. The biggest issue I had with my HANS device was driving through the paddock with the tethers connected. Especially the big festival events where the paddock is busy. Getting a little movement here will be great! > -----Original Message----- > From: R. John Lye > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions > > The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new > one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It > also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The > posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I > got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last > weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a > lot easier to see the corner workers' > signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that > I've ever done that, of course...). > > > R. John Lye From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 09:44:07 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. That's why I've been headed in that direction. If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know ARP carries so I can do it properly. Anyone willing to share their secrets? TIA Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and a few other potential race projects ;) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 10:00:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <6AB17262-60C4-474C-B239-3BB241CD13FA@bnj.com> No idea what spits use, but I always replace my wheel studs with long black studs. Not sure if you're dealing with some specific problem but it's trivial deal, I don't even drill them out to fit, just find a stud with a spline base that's the same or slightly larger and press them in. Your local Napa guy should be able to help On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Jim wrote: > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 > at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 > and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel > studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one > of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something > I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 11 10:35:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002501c8839e$58073d40$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Your best bet is to go to your local auto parts store and look through their catalogs (Usually Dorman) andfind a stud that will fit your application. They have a wealth of different sixe threads and shanks so that you should be able to find some that match. You will probably have to go with a Metric size since that is what most cars are coming out with these days. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Mar 11 10:31:58 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:31:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 10:38:25 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8839e$b6be5ee0$08e435cf@jrg> Dorman "166" wheel studs are what everyone pushes as "fitting a TR7". Correct knurl diameter... but they have a mushroom head, not countersunk. That's my other option, run a set of them on the lathe and cut the head down to fit the hubs. Just wondering if there was an off the shelf solution that won't break the bank. Cheers, Jim Dallas _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:32 PM To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 11:21:33 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <860427.42005.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amen to that brother! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: William G Rosenbach To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:18:12 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002f01c883ac$a6127460$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I got some extra long ones for my old Cosmic wheels at Summit. Those guys usually have a lot of choices for a cheap price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 00:37:00 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different block. To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on the bearing caps. OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple > stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth > to see it in action, but I get it. > So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >>> the front washer[s] take the force >>> >> >> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >> load. >> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >> but don't hold your breath. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 13:01:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> If that's the case it might be a good idea to get the crank magnafluxed. Last time i saw bearing caps that were swapped/rotated was on a Jag 420 motor and the crank was cracked in four places. On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:37 AM, MadMarx wrote: > what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? > Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different > block. > To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on > the > bearing caps. > OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. > > Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > > >> Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple >> stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth >> to see it in action, but I get it. >> So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front >> washer? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >>> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and >>>> therefor >>>> the front washer[s] take the force >>>> >>> >>> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >>> load. >>> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >>> but don't hold your breath. >>> >>> mjb. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 13:10:04 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> Message-ID: Those mistakes can happen very easy. I remember year 2006 when I assembled my engine and made a photo from downstairs into the crank/piston area. At the evening I examinde the photos and by accident I found that two rod caps were rotated because the cap numbers were on the wrong side. Would habe been a fatal firing up next day...... From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 11 13:20:18 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid compatible hose Message-ID: <47D6E982.9050307@cfl.rr.com> I need hose longer than comes in the Tilton master cylinder kits for the remote reservoir. Any suggestions for a brand or type at 5/16th ID? I know your average hose will not hold up to brake fluids. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 15:49:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From BillB at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 14:57:02 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 15:47:43 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000601c883c9$eb962550$0302a8c0@Bud> many of the nuts that appear closed actually are open nuts with caps that will punch out with a screwdriver Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Jim" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN > Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM > To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. > JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. > > A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have > Panasports > and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need > open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) > > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > >> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at >> Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and >> $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! >> >> Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? >> The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. >> That's why I've been headed in that direction. >> >> If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take >> something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them >> funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know >> ARP carries so I can do it properly. >> >> Anyone willing to share their secrets? >> >> >> TIA >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser >> and a few other potential race projects ;) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 18:04:03 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:04:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4A IRS on Cape Cod Message-ID: <20080311.210403.6599.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> The other day I came across a very rusty TR4A IRS for sale in Orleans, MA, out on Cape Cod at Tedd's Garage. Lower fenders and rocker panels were shot and I did not look much further than those. Tedd says that the frame is good and that he has some spare sheet metal to include. I did not look to close and did not think to take pictures, but I will likely be back out that way within a month or so, if anyone is interested. Tedd is asking $3000.00 for this, which I personally thing is about $3000 too much, but I guess as the tide rises for the nice cars, it also rises for the not so nice. Tedd is into Morgans so if you had any Morgan stuff, he may trade. He is also looking for a vintage sprint car and would also likely be interested in a trade. NFI. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijldpy3U8gKYiQnSYPAskDcod hmruPzeqBxzblW0tL3bfRVgO/ From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 18:19:04 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 Message-ID: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> During the holidays my brothers took me to see an abandoned side curtain Triumph race car. Bright orange, #16, looks like the driver's name on the rear fender might be something like S___ Dickey #16 EP Only visible from the rear quarter, so I can't tell off the bat what vintage. Central NJ. Just curious if anyone had run across the car during the years. As it sits it's pretty rough, with trees growing through the trailer. Maybe Triumph World could sponsor a restoration, they seem to like rust bucket project cars. Cheers, Jim Dallas From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 11 22:45:47 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:45:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 10:01:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 > From: "Jim" > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > To: > Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf at jrg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) Hi Jim, Yup, it's me again. I just sourced bigger, stronger replacement studs for my Triumph Vitesse - which has the same original studs as GT6/Spitfire. I had to go metric, but what I used, after much chat on the Club Triumph etc forums were Land Rover Freeland Wheel Studs, part # CLP9037L. Cost is a nominal 1.20 GBP each, and there is no further machining required. You should be able to order them through your local Land Rover dealership, or online? Here is a link to the Triumph technical forum to which I belong, with photo of the stud in question - the one with the purple loctite. http://www.sideways-technologies.co.uk/forum/Blah.pl?m-1200842228/s-new/ Good Luck. Lion Guyot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 12 06:56:26 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 07:38:38 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000f01c8844e$c3043ed0$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> I bought some lug nuts from Summit for the Panasports on my TR3 (with the alloy front hub conversion). The part number was GOR-90087 and the cost was $4.39 for a pack of 4, these are open end and are available in different sizes. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:56 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as m-syork at comcast.net From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 12 08:25:32 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> References: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <8CA526C7268D8FA-F3C-26F@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> I know exactly where that car sits! I've been trying to buy it for years!!!! Susan Dickey is the name of the woman who drove and still owns the car. I don't know much else about the car's history. There was a pic of the car in Classic Motorsports "Ran When Parked" section within the [past year, I think. Usual story, car is not for sale,due to dreams (which probably won't come true) Rich Rock From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 6 16:44:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:44:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS References: <96E99354E34A3747A95AC1C439BB55B9565326@LAEXCHG3.fulpat.local> Message-ID: <012001c87fe3$fd9567f0$d214c548@RW> Just effort to lighten up the day. : Fwd: SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS Basic Shop Tools and Their General Purpose DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted vertical stabilizer which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light . Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh shit!" ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age. SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper. EIGHT-FOOT LONG YELLOW PINE 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off of a trapped hydraulic jack handle. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible future use. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids and for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. "JESUS CLIP": A small circlip or hairpin-style retaining clip typically used to hold small shafts in place (ie: carburetor throttle shaft). The name comes from every mechanics' expression the moment when a circlip pops off the shaft and falls under the car. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Jon Goodman Ad .Hoc Creative 816-822-7676 816-822-0244 FAX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 20:12:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <010f01c8825c$98e22a20$d214c548@RW> Pete Brock did the "spook" thing on his 2 liter Datsuns, probably first, this is most likely in about 1968 or maybe 1967. Brock Yates was not a "make a car" guy. Pete Brock was really ahead of everyone on this. We had spoilers on our TR-6 cars, 1970 and after, but neither of these are air dams. Air dams in > production would be a nightmare of warranty claims when folks run into the parking cement blocks, as you know they will. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > > >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >> under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >> cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >> Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a >>> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >>> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >>> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >>> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >>> the car was important too. >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>>> photos that >>>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>>> "styles", >>>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>>> sheet of >>>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>>> Steve P. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>>> lines which >>>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>>> must be >>>> respected. >>>> >>>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>>> the BRE >>>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>>> Spoilers always >>>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >>>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>>> >>>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>>> incorrect. >>>> >>>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>>> in >>>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>>> conclude >>>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>>> would be >>>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>>> expect MGB's >>>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>>> >>>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>>> in the eyes >>>> of a historian.B >>>> >>>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>>> time lines >>>> and periods of eligibility. >>>> >>>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>>> fit the >>>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>>> are >>>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>>> organizations. If >>>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>>> be racing >>>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>>> >>>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>>> you wish >>>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>>> are >>>> defined and history dictates. >>>> >>>> Jack Woehrle >>>> >>>> SVRA Technical Director >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 14:33:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:33:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <00ae01c882f6$573bed50$d214c548@RW> Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you can only go to the well so often. The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't remember for certain without checking some old photos... In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the > dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However > many > of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam > act > by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone > explain > the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away > with > it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What > about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of > character from the original look than the dams? > Steve P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > >> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 >> and > a >> few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The >> hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the >> tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very > good. >> I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No >> joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the >> car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire >> of >> the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets > the >> kudos for the air dam. damn! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? >> >> >> > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > dave at microworks.net writes: >> > >> > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that >> > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with >> > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake >> > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as >> > they did in 1968? >> > >> > >> > >> > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing >> > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over >> > the fence. >> > >> > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of >> > a >> > lot >> > of tricks but missed that one! >> > >> > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the >> > Datsun >> > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the >> > spook. >> > >> > Jack Woehrle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 06:27:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS---addtl use and application for Table Saw Message-ID: > TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch > wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Table saw is also used for shortening middle finger and has a nice ring to it when the bone strikes the carbide tipped blade..... the second stage of a Connecticut Snow Blower may used as an alternative, but does not have the nice ring to it....especially when the sound is masked by loud humanoid noises in the Connecticut Woods. Said Connecticut Yankee and Iowa Farm Boy will be comparing Length of Digits at Watkins Glen. Joe A PS: I gave the Table Saw back to my son, with my DNA, and I think Connecticut Yankee is giving his snowblower a wide berth. PPS: Unlike Mr. Bobbitt, our appendages were not salvageable. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Mar 13 07:21:13 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:21:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts Message-ID: Hi folks A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help with. I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the tr250 and tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are almost oblong and designed to be like this. the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard wheel stud, but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm thick in the same vein as the silverstone spinner. My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too clever. Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? Whatdayaknow ? Regards Tony From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 07:24:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:24:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented and why they are illegal? Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be involved somewhere. Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 07:52:07 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:52:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 13 08:17:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:17:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Amici... I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. That's got to be a hoot. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 13 09:21:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313152124.MRZU24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his > blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented > and why they are illegal? > Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be > involved somewhere. Ever since the advent of mass production, car (and motorcycle) owners have been seeking ways to look "different". Blue dots are just one of the more enduring items of bling from the post-war years (when was the last time you saw a raccoon tail tied to an aerial ?). Not illegal everywhere, but where they are, it appears to be because tail and brake lights are required to be red. Anything not mandatory is forbidden. IMO they are actually more likely to be noticed than ordinary red brake lights; and I'm not aware of any research to the contrary. Randall From REK46 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 08:41:33 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: They looked great on my 1960 Valiant ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 08:42:34 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:42:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DD7A01A-FC56-44C2-9F83-FDCC3458471B@earthlink.net> Tony, If I'm understanding correctly, what you have were called Uni-Lug pattern. There were different adaptors available that when put into the "oblong", allow mounting on various lug patterns. If this is what you have, I'm sorry to say that they are not suitable for racing and only marginal for street use. Most American Racing wheels of the era everything that the name implied but yours I'm afraid may not be. A shame- I always thought the Daisys were very nice looking wheels. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:21 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > Hi folks > > A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help > with. > > I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the > tr250 and > tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are > almost > oblong and designed to be like this. > > the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard > wheel stud, > but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on > eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm > thick in the > same vein as the silverstone spinner. > > My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too > clever. > Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? > > Whatdayaknow ? > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 09:01:34 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:01:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <001601c88523$838462a0$1502a8c0@Belkin> wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 10:01:45 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: That's like I said before, the way they keep moving these events further East the next one will be 200 miles out in the Atlantic ;-)) wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 13 10:13:42 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:13:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D960C6.4030502@bradakis.com> Gee, that reminds me I was going to call them up and get a subscription sent to Bailey's shop, so I'll have something to read while waiting for my knuckles to stop bleeding! mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 13:17:21 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:17:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Dennis Delap Message-ID: <819FB83C-8BE6-4DAC-BB8E-32AD06F81860@earthlink.net> Dennis, Please contact me off list. Or if someone could send me his e-address. Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 13:44:13 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: <29604920.4768501205441054072.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I have blue dots on my 35 Ford and they look Cool. Dean T. >From: REK46 at aol.com >Date: 2008/03/13 Thu AM 10:41:33 CDT >To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Blue dot taillights >They looked great on my 1960 Valiant > > >************** >It's Tax Time! Get tips, >forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > >(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Mar 13 14:25:32 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:25:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: <6856876b992b4a6a910f2946fbab3e67@mitchelplumbing.com> Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. The item #'s are: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1936-Standard-Ten-DHC_W0QQitemZ270219395410QQc mdZViewItem?hash=item270219395410 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1948-Triumph-1800-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702193982 81QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219398281 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1949-Triumph-2000-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702194003 66QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219400366 or 270219395410, 270219398281 & 270219400366 You could buy all three of these for less than an original TR3! Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 18:00:33 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? In-Reply-To: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 19:53:46 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:53:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. Tempting as always. And, as always, no money to satisfy temptation! I happened across that listing for the Standard 10 drophead coupe and forwarded it to a UK Standard Motor Club forum. At least one of their very knowledgeable members does not believe there are any such cars in the UK, so this one could be very, very rare indeed. Meanwhile, there just seems to be a ton of 1800/2000 Roadsters on eBay of late! Where ARE they all coming from? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 20:17:43 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:17:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 04:47:46 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeff Snook is down there with Glen taking care of the TR3 this weekend. All was well the last time he called the office. I think Henry Frye was going as well as Mike Jackson. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Mar 14 05:05:38 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c885cb$b8bdc940$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Hi Bill, SVRA lists the TR7 in group 8 and I understand VDCA will honor that as well. I don't know about any of the other groups. Group 8 seems to be where all the big bore stuff goes so I don't think a TR7 in IT trim will be remotely competitive but he would be allowed to run with at least a couple of the vintage groups if he wants to. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:18 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 08:49:16 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) In-Reply-To: References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Mar 14 12:38:35 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 14 12:49:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning References: Message-ID: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:07:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:07:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning Message-ID: Saturday night in the paddock. You betcha! I've narrowed synchro rings on the concrete at California Speedway before! In a message dated 3/14/2008 12:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 14 13:36:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning In-Reply-To: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> References: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, MadMarx wrote: > Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ It'sll take a LoooooooooOOOOOOOOONG time to get that baby up to 12:1 Probably 2 or 3 cases! :-0 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Mar 14 14:14:54 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? References: Message-ID: <007e01c88618$cfe2e630$6401a8c0@S1099895562> >From this Speed Channel page: http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/what-to-watch-on-speed-from-australia/ What to Watch on SPEED from Australia Written by: SPEED Staff SPEEDtv.com 03/10/2008 - 11:24 AM Charlotte, N.C. Formula 1 coverage on SPEED from the Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park in Melbourne, Australia: Thursday, Mar. 13, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Practice (L) Friday, Mar. 14, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (L) Saturday, Mar. 15, 2008 11:30 p.m. EST Inside Grand Prix 12:00 a.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (L) Sunday, Mar. 16, 2008 1:30 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (re-air) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on > Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I > was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if > there is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices > scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > > Cary > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Mar 14 15:08:33 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David Riddle) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on Saturday. Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. The race should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of late braking for passing in the corner. Next year should be very entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the little winglets and flip-ups they have now. I think third period qualifying will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint with. Dave Riddle I am out of the office. Message sent via the MicroWorks Webmail server.. ---------------------------------------- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Mar 14 15:31:45 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:31:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? In-Reply-To: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Message-ID: Not surprisingly, here in Australia coverage is extensive (free to air TV) amd of course at sensible times (live). There has been quite a lot of discussion about the future of the Australian GP, with Mr Ecclestone apparently threatening that Melbourne will either move to a nighttime event or lose it. This year the race has been moved to 3:30 local time as a compromise and I think 2009 is planned to run at 5:00pm. Bernie has said essentially "that's not enough - move to a night event or you'll lose it when the contract is up in 2010". Australians don't tend to react too well to threats. All in the interests of television. Wes Dayton (Sydney) On 15/3/08 9:08 AM, "David Riddle" wrote: > Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice > was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on > Saturday. > > Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars > were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel > power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when > heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to > "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. > > The race > should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of > late braking for passing in the corner. > > Next year should be very > entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the > little winglets and flip-ups they have now. > > I think third period qualifying > will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, > 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car > between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn > down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint > with. > > Dave Riddle > > I am out of the office. Message sent via the > MicroWorks Webmail server.. > > ---------------------------------------- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM > To: > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > > The > information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there > is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > Cary > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money > & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wes at hsrca.org.au From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Mar 14 16:01:04 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <062d01c88627$48638f70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, contact Jack at SVRA (jwoesvra at aol.com) regarding car specs, and Carl Jensen (you'll have to look that one up, sorry) about licensing. SVRA usually accepts SCCA licenses, although they may want you to attend a Driver Orientation Program to go over the subtle differences between Vintage and other racing. (It's a non-contact sport). Sometimes also a Track Orientation Program; I attended one at the Glen last year and it was excellant. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie,PA Vintage TR6 Basically stock with shaved TOYOs PS If you're near Gingerman in South Haven MI, they have a great Vintage school called the Spring Brake in early May. Highly recommended. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff > In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas > tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) >> > > Dear FOT, > > My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer > with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His > car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. > Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be > the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? > > Any information will be appreciated. > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 08:15:32 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Mar 15 09:07:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance Message-ID: Friends, I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about .030". While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). The thoughts I'm having is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the improvements if any? This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and would do it if it made sense. I'm also concerned with partially milling off the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier 6 motors. Thanks for any input. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 09:46:10 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <96D0F14B0D53483C8F439A30D144D13F@Mobil> I recommend -> grind them flat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 15 09:46:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube Message-ID: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 09:58:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and cam. second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 11:08:23 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Message-ID: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can find with a surface plate. Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Larry Young" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > >> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >> reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with >> a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably >> make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your >> lifters and cam. >> second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >> need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >> hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >> california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What >> you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters >> with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: >>> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. >>> resurface >>> the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few >>> places on >>> the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams >>> $11.70 each, >>> Web Cams $5.00 each. >>> Larry Young >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From goodparts at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 12:34:33 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Charly, I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a couple thousandths above since. Richard Good Charly Mitchel wrote: > Friends, >I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero >deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of >several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later >TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about >.030". >While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried >swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this >seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. >While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow >that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to >have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >The thoughts I'm having >is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the >improvements if any? >This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >would do it if it made sense. >I'm also concerned with partially milling off >the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no >problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier >6 motors. > >Thanks for any input. >Charly Mitchel >TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 11:43:39 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001f01c886cc$7ddbb420$6502a8c0@HOME> My testing with 0.023" deck clearance failed. The pistons kissed the head very slightly. I use 0.035" to have a little safty. Cheers Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 13:18:36 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA54F0E20C8DF3-DF0-3848@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> They were separated by 1/100 in the sprint race yesterday, in favor of the red one IIRC... Either way, a good day for TR-3s! Glen just back from Sebring so I can watch the finish on TV tonight -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: fot at autox.team.net; robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49 am Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 13:29:14 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:29:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory Message-ID: And to think, some people can't understand why many of us enjoy this so much!! Go Triumph!!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Mar 15 13:44:33 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:44:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube References: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <03a101c886dd$6074a250$0201a8c0@Bevan> You know, I'm certain the guy who was having his head 'tested' with a hammer once worked in the canteen kitchen next door to Engineering :) Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as standardtriumph at btinternet.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 15 15:16:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair amount of raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems to be made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. Does the pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. body? Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 months ago. I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the gauge is busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions would be great thanks rob From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 15:59:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:59:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weber air horns for 45's Message-ID: Amici, It seems to be a night for Webers... Has anybody got a couple of slanted airhorns for 45 DCOE's to spare. They are about 2" long and slope upward slightly, maybe 15 degrees? Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 16:09:44 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck Clearance Message-ID: <9a2d19bff0f72f47a908249d5942ea0b@wi.rr.com> Charly, I run .007 above deck with JE pistons. My head gasket measures .032 after torque giving me a clearance to the head of .025. Have run as high as 7500 rpm with no interference. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 16:18:18 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In-Reply-To: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <03c86c1ab5a40b11516f85d66df3f13e@wi.rr.com> Rob, I run triple 40 DCOE Weber's and never exceed 2 psi. Weber's are very sensitive to fuel pressure. I was told to run between 1-1/2 - 2 psi. Check with Pierce Manifold at: http://www.piercemanifolds.com/ for questions regarding your pump jets. They are most helpful. Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Rob wrote: > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 16:32:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:32:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass floats check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for leaks. If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 16:35:34 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> I've read quite a bit about this stuff. I'm not sure I understood everything about contact stress patches, etc. The bottom line seemed to be that the lowest contact stress occurs when the cam has no taper and the lifter is dead flat, and everything lines up perfectly. The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. I'm talking about a 50 to 100 inch radius of a sphere, which gives something like 0.002 inches. This very slight radius on the lifter surface helps to compensate for any misalignment, and results in much less stress than contact on the edge. I should add that Triumph apparently did not subscribe to this idea for the TR3/4 (not sure about later models), because they used flat lifters. Most of the after market lifters have a crown. There is no reason not to put a slight crown on a reconditioned OEM lifter. Real problems seem to occur when there is a convex surface on the lifter. That is why reusing old lifters is a no-no. I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry Bill Babcock wrote: > I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat > tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and > the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters > at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's > two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can > find with a surface plate. > > Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly > break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, > including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with > absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. > > I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more > like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad > idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. > > On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > > >> That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 16:40:37 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:40:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry We had a major player in the drag race world here in Vegas supplying ceramic lifters. He went out of business and the ceramic issue is purported to be to blame. Apparently the US military is buying every bit of the base stock so there's nothing left for the civilian market. That's the story anyway... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jwoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:18:05 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all aboutB appearance. The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement. I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 15 17:59:40 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:59:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <20080315.205940.10763.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I have used Cam Craft Cams in Maryland (http://www.camcraftcams.com/) and even have a set there being reconditioned now. They get $8 each to resurface. Yes, I can buy new ones for that price, but with the time that I have in to them to lighten them, it is worth the cost of resurfacing, instead of replacing. Joe(B) -- Larry Young wrote: Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to receive information from occupational therapy schools near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlRt8oIoDxVRW0MeG85JRZmk IXIjgtHoUrQBUJRZ9t2eJpeN/ From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 20:00:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:00:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: Jack, while I wouldn't argue with what you said you sure managed to put a "FINE" point on it IMHO. What was the saying....Flame On!! Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Gary Fuqua CVAR & VSCDA & maybe sometime in SVRA if I can stand the heat! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 07:57:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:57:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006b01c886ac$ea2fb0b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> JACK THANKS FOR THE "CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE TYPE OF FRONT SPOILER SVRA HOLDS ACCEPTABLE. THAT IS WHAT I AM IN THE PLANNING STAGES OF PRODUCING. I WANT TO USE IT ON THE TR3, HOWEVER. ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS? STEVE P. ----- Original Message ----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: spreiss at verizon.net ; kaskas at cox.net ; dave at microworks.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all about appearance.The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement.I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money.Jack WoehrleSVRA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 03:51:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:51:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment of lifter and cam surface. The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam taper. Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 15:54:59 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:59 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <000a01c886ef$9939d8f0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do hydraulic lifters address this problem? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Larry Young" ; "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment > of lifter and cam surface. > The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam > taper. > > Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Young" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > > > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 16 07:55:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <47DD34C4.1010509@pobox.com> I meant to say "on the edge of the cam", e.g. due to misalignment. Larry Young wrote: > The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 16 08:03:09 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:03:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 08:12:05 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 16 08:17:19 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:17:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: Plastic floats for SUs? My street TR3 has had Webers since day one of restoration, 27 odd years ago (I think). Never a problem with floats. Terry Stetler From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 16 08:25:50 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:25:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current Summitt catalog. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 08:29:21 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:29:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 8:19:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin writes: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? I am unaware of plastic replacements for the size we use in our old SUs. Am I missing something? Bill Not you, I. Followed the title block and missed that we'd switched the topic to SU's. Sorry to confuse the issue I haven't looked at an SU in about twenty years... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 08:43:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: <000c01c8877c$7e9fb770$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I have used the plastic floats for 7 years with good results. On needle and seat inspection one of them has a nasty nick in it and needs replacement Also on that same carb the float tang was not centered on the spring ball of the needle The float would land hard on the out side of the ball socket Its pretty wild how it can move that much over a season The setting of 7mill closed and 20 mill on the open held true on the other carbs. But they are all leaking at the pump jet . With the geometry of this float I may replace it simply because I can't seem to bend it into the correct position to land on the ball and still meet the 7 mil (closed clearance) off the top cover The Webber tuning manual from Overseas auto subjects filling the bowls with light oil.What would be the simplest way to remove the oil? Could the bulk of the oil be removed with a syringe after removing the main jet? Still it may still be a smoky start up will the plugs fowl ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern > fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with > empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe > fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the > post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before > starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but > I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. > The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. > He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern > solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view > in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 08:47:30 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to g-load issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 09:05:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Allen Washatko > Date: March 16, 2008 11:04:40 AM CDT > To: Gt6steve at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > My Weber's came with plastic floats and I have not had a problem in > three years. > > Allen > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >> simply >> went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >> failure with >> the plastic? >> >> >> >> >> Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share >> of float >> problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >> issues >> down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >> modern fuel >> additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >> with empty >> fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >> believe fuel >> evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >> the post >> during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >> before he >> starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route >> from our >> shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >> Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >> before starting out >> again, but he had another failure at Sebring. >> >> Two more comments. >> >> ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo >> (sp?), the >> SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >> but I've >> had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >> Roadster >> Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >> source. The >> ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). >> >> TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >> Specials >> Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >> race. He >> recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >> modern solder >> (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >> solder >> containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not >> sure how that >> fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck >> with the ones >> we've repaired ourselves. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >> view in >> Indianapolis are cheaper? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money >> & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 09:07:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0b3714aedd7ff86cc5f1ffe1923abe6a@wi.rr.com> You can avoid that by extending the pick-up to the bottom of the bowl with a SS tube. Make sure to angle cut the bottom tip. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:47 AM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it > lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. > By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic > floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to > g-load issues. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I > simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float > issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested > modern fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' > with empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we > believe fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on > the post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls > before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, > but I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, > Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same > source. The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English > Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we > race. He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with > modern solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old > solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a > view in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 09:14:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:43:29 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <000e01c8878d$3f0c2c40$6401a8c0@blake1> fot at autox.team.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 16 09:54:19 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <611811.20250.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack Drews used to sell a really nice scatter sheild for the TR4 - www.tonydrews.com has a link to UncleJacksRacing products. Dennis Allen Washatko wrote: I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 13:12:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1962 Trunk Lid Needed in Minnesota-TRIUMPH HERALD Message-ID: List(s) There is a guy in Minnesota that was transporting a Herald. It was his mother's car and he is trying to restore it. The trunk lid was lost in transport. I dont know this guy personally, but I agreed to help. If someone can help, please let me know...privately. I suspect this guy has no TR network at all, like this list of enthusiasts. Thanks, Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 13:30:11 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:30:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: Dear FOT, I appreciate the responses I received about the above vintage race. My boy traveled from his home in Williamsport, PA to Pittsburgh yesterday to visit us. I printed these responses and gave them to him. The question was why a car with a four cylinder 2.0 liter engine would be grouped with the V-8's. The TR-3''s and TR-4's all have 2.2 liter engines. I am sure that his car wouldn't keep up with most of these cars. I would think that they would want to keep most of the TR's together. Maybe his car is considered too new, and that they use Group-8 as a catchall to allow people to participate. I noticed that there is one other TR-7 listed as registered in this race (Classic Motorsport magazine). Maybe he has an ex-Grou p 44 car. <> I can certainly identify with the above. For a number of years, they grouped the EP cars with GT-1, GT-2, AS, etc. My memory may be failing, but didn't Paul Neuman briefly race a TR-6, and beat the Group 44 TR-7 car? Then he had someone drive around the grounds with a sign that said "Six is faster than seven." ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 13:38:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:38:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Kidney Bean" Aluminum Wheels - Info or wheel needed Message-ID: I have three good kidney bean style wheels from the 70s, I believe. These three are 6" wide 15" diameter with four bolt Triumph bolt circle. I also have two more that are really wide...at least 7", if not wider. I dont have a use for the wide ones, but would like to have one or two more of the 6" wide ones to make a complete set. Anyone have any?...or a source? I can provide a digital picture. Thanks! Joe A From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 15:51:44 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCs360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Trying to find a solution to this problem, I recently purchased a quantity of lifters from each of the major suppliers -- BPNW, Moss, and TRF. I had eight tappets from each supplier checked for hardness. I found that none of these suppliers furnish tappetts that are consistently in the middle 50's, Rockwell C scale. For example, the eight I had checked from one supplier measured 45, 48, 49, 51, 51, 52, 53, 53. The lowest reading I got on all of the lifters tested was 30. In addition, some of us are going to a cam that requires a full diameter stock lifter. Of the three above suppliers, none of them had the full diameter face -- all had a chamfer around the contact end of the lifter that reduced its contact face diameter. I checked with one heat treat company and they told me that chilled cast iron cannot be successfully nitrided so it sounds like that is not a possibility. At 11:58 AM 3/15/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a >flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make >the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and >cam. > >second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you >need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very >flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > > > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > > places on > > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > > each, > > Web Cams $5.00 each. > > Larry Young > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 15:37:03 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCr360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Time for somebody to start a little project to get one of the many commercial producers of carb floats to make some in the configurations we need. I'm covered with special projects at the minute, but a google search on this subject turns up some interesting stuff. At 10:47 AM 3/16/2008, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: >We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it >lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. >By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic >floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to >g-load issues. >Glen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gt6steve at aol.com >To: BillDentin at aol.com >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > >Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >simply >went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >failure with >the plastic? > > > > >Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of >float >problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >issues >down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >modern fuel >additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >with empty >fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >believe fuel >evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >the post >during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >before he >starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from >our >shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > >Two more comments. > >ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), >the >SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >but I've >had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >Roadster >Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >source. The >ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > >TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >Specials >Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >race. He >recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >modern solder >(no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >solder >containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure >how that >fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with >the ones >we've repaired ourselves. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >view in >Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > >**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 16:36:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: Richard, While working on the car today, I thought more about your email. The following questions came up: how much had you shaved the head, what type (thickness) of head gasket were you running and was the problem created by a sticking valve? Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Charly, > > I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head > and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a > couple thousandths above since. > > Richard Good > > Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Friends, >> I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >> about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the >> block zero >> deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top >> of >> several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is >> a later >> TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is >> about >> .030". >> While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >> distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I >> tried >> swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers >> and this >> seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of >> the crank. >> While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to >> a fellow >> that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he >> likes to >> have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >> combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >> The thoughts I'm having >> is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what >> were the >> improvements if any? >> This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >> would do it if it made sense. >> I'm also concerned with partially milling off >> the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I >> have no >> problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the >> earlier >> 6 motors. >> >> Thanks for any input. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 16 17:38:31 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <0b61f4b39a8b4561bffcff2fe9795200@mitchelplumbing.com> I'm curios about what efforts you've invested to remedy the problems associated with the TR6 crank problem. Can you share with me? I've purchased a Cambridge flywheel and had it machined to accept a Tilton clutch I will be balancing the entire motor and do whatever else I can. I have been paranoid to go over 6000 rpm. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Washatko Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:16 AM To: vanlake at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 16 18:37:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:37:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] John Finch Message-ID: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:35:43 -0700 >To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com >From: "David W. Riddle" >Subject: Re: [WtW] John Finch > >http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > >At 05:28 PM 3/16/2008, Diane wrote: >>Anyone have any ideas for this man?? >>This is just terrible, & I wish I could do something, but I don't know what. >>A few of his friends have been helping & set up this website. >>Diane >> >>Andy sent this back to me the first time because the list doesn't >>accept html links...so please figure this out phonetically, & visit this site! >>Thanks! >> >>www dot cwnicholls dot net slash fitch slash fitich dot com From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 18:47:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. John's quite the guy. The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining with him today. It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of life he should be basking in his past glories with friends. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 15 07:17:05 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:17:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wanted: best experience purchasing brake tubing (for TR4A (solid axle) Message-ID: List: Looking for some support..... Looking for the best opportunity for ordering the brake tubing and fittings. TR4A Chassis with Solid Axle Configuration. Prebent tubing OK and may be preferred. Stainless Steel OK, but not absolutley necessary. Some custom fabrication will be required at the master cylinders. In the interest of time, it may be contracted out. Your recommendation of source and configuration appreciated. Thanks! Joe A The-vintage-racer.blogspot.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 19:59:44 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/08 2:54:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: << What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with ve ry flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> The hardest lifters that I ever came across were those that I took out of an old engine, which I was disassembling. They did not look too bad on the bottoms. I took them to my machinist to have the bottoms reconditioned, and to cut some metal off of the tops, as outlined in Kas's book. Those lifters were so hard that my machinist couldn't cut them. He sent them to another machine shop, and they could not cut them either. My machinist was able to lighten lifters that I had bought. Either the old lifters were made a lot harder, or they are hardened by being beat around in a stock engine while being driven thousands of miles on the highway. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 16 20:34:16 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Bill On Mar 16, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. > John's quite the guy. > The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... > http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html > > I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining > with him > today. > It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of > life he > should be basking in his past glories with friends. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > '72 Stag '74 Spitfire > "Reality... It's not what you think." > http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 17 01:21:40 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:21:40 -0000 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Me too! Can someone provide a snail address for cash donations to be sent? I've no confidence in PayPal getting money across frontiers into a currency different from the issue currency. I've read the story on the website and it makes me as angry as those who say PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) is "just a character weakness." As of now, John Fitch's case will receive exposure in the UK on the Triumph Trans-AmeriCan Charity Drive Spitfire that's offered as first prize in the UK raffle draw. The car is going on public display at some 30 major events in the UK this summer and this is why I need a snail address to put on the poster so others can make donations too. Jonmac From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 17 04:06:36 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 17 04:49:25 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <469324.99308.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Geoff: Being a Moss distributor may give me a different track than your own, but contact the salesperson named on the top of your invoice. If I ever have a problem...short parts, too many parts, quality, etc, I contact my salesperson (Stu Bowman) and he makes it right. Moss has always made every effort to make things right and have always accepted my feedback about the quality of their parts Thanks - Ed. Geoff Byrne wrote: Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 16 15:29:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least acceptable quality. One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric > . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion > to get some satisfaction > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 06:40:04 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <011d01c88834$6821c660$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks guys! I have emailed the Carl Goodwin and Don Klein to find out what the plan is and how/when to donate. I'll add to my websites and post here also when I find out more. Some AOL folks are having difficulty with the address, so here's a bunch of variations. If you haven't looked at the slides from the 70's and early 80's, check out the rest of the botchagaloop.net site. Lots of old Triumph stuff... http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html http://www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html There's a link under Al Olmstead's photo at: http://www.botchagaloop.net also to John Fitch's bio information http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 17 07:04:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:04:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: > www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html > egads! there has to be a solution to this.....mounting a huge public outcry cant hurt. I have been to John's colonial period home, and in the total scheme of things, it hardly seems a significant threat to our environment, even with a leaking fuel oil tank. isnt it on a list of historic places? it would be in Iowa. there isnt much that old around here. easy target, apparently. big money in industrial areas is harder to get to. what a nightmare! From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 17 07:12:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:12:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: In a message dated 03/16/2008 9:34:54 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. > > Amici... I too have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Fitch at Lime Rock, Road America, and Watkins Glen events. A true Icon, and still looks the part (a stately gentleman these days). But I am confused with what is described here. I thought there was a 'Superfund' that addressed the cost of underground fuel tank leaks. Could that be something peculiar to Wisconsin and/or commercial applications? Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 07:19:15 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kevlar flexible bellhousing blankets Message-ID: <002001c88839$e21a7fc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Does anybody have any experience with one of these that will fit a GT6 or Spitfire bellhousing? All I can find are for drag racer applications. From herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 08:31:09 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA565B0F4598B9-15F0-559@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). ==AM== My most notable such experience with TRF was EXTREMELY SATISFACTORY. I bought a pair of their own tie rod ends for a Spitfire (with the grease fitting on top). With the first set I received, both tie rod ends were actually cast / machined / drilled / threaded significantly off-center; they 'wobbled' greatly as I tried to thread them onto the tie rod. Not good. I contacted TRF and was given (no charge, of course) another pair, which was fine. Approximately six months later, I discovered that the boots on the tie rod ends had already cracked (this while the car sat awaiting other work). Again I contacted TRF and was sent a replacement pair of rubber boots by return post. I have had a similar experience with Moss USA. I truly believe that the best suppliers will listen and WILL ACT appropriately in such circumstances. ==AM== One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) ==AM== I think I know what you're saying...or maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Anyway, I think I might want to disagree. If perhaps some of us might be more articulate in explaining why we feel a given item is inferior, then ok. But I don't feel that any of us is somehow more deserving than any other Triumph driver. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Mar 17 08:39:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <1664.128.143.17.27.1205768389.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. This already exists, and is maintained by an FOT member. Check out the "Monster List of British Parts Suppliers" at the "Dimebank Garage" John From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 09:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and I need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 09:38:52 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:38:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I have dealt with Moss on a number of Marques and when I have had a problem all I had to do was call them (My Sales Rep) and it was taken care of. There have also been a number of times when I tried to order something listed in the catalog only to be told, while they had it in stock, they were NOT pleased with the quality and would NOT sell it. That to me indicates some decent degree of responsibility. At least when they know there is a problem. Just my 2 cents. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 17 11:32:07 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:32:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <010b01c8885d$3520d7a0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> One problem with this master list is the availability of parts at the time requested. I've received NOS parts at times expecting cheap replacements and next time get replacement parts. I've also received parts from VB and TRF with Moss #'s and vica-versa. It is very difficult to know where they come from at any time. The best company for this is BPNW, but are limited on parts. They will tell you up front if they're Asian or NOS or British made. VB is impossible to find any information about the parts, TRF is a little better and Moss takes a day usually. This is my point of view as a distributor of parts. Charly Mitchel Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 British Sports & Spares 1602 Center St Tacoma, WA 98409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Geoff Byrne" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Geoff > Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber > parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter > to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to > reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My > thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on > quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration > projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get > completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the > problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. > One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified > ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause > them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that > the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on > a very loose standard. (No pun intended) > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Byrne" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > > > Amici > > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt > with > > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot > bush > > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found > it to > > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not > concentric > > . > > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs > of > > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing > one > > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem > and > > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any > suggestion > > to get some satisfaction > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Mar 17 11:31:12 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0D7B4121@kb1.mossmotors.com> Geoff: First off apologies that your input appears to have been disregarded. I checked our Product Information folder and could not find any comments on the 330-240 (55911) bush. We try to keep ears and eyes open for any problems with our products but the best way to report any kind of product problem to Moss USA is by pulling down an e-mail "contact us" sheet from: http://www.mossmotors.com/AboutMoss/ContactUs.aspx Fill out the information such as part number, invoice etc. then send it to the Tech Services e-mail address. This goes straight to the tech queue which is read by 5 techies (like myself) who try to figure out what is going on. We try to keep up on any written complaints and phone calls, but e-mail is the best way to work as the document can be saved and becomes a permanent bit of history. Every e-mail that comes in this way is logged and saved with any follow up comments and actions. We are constantly working on product availability and quality issues and any feedback from a knowledgable source is sincerely appreciated. We do our best to ensure that the products offered are correct, but there is no substitute for the hands on experience of the installer. If you could forward me a copy of your input, I can guarantee follow up. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 > From: "Geoff Byrne" > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > To: "FOT" > Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89 at GEOFFPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts > quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a > TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large > order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over > size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The > material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It > shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk > and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss > immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest > they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid > other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss > and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 14:25:22 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. http://www.teamtriumph.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar >I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >I > need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. > > Thanks, > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 14:48:52 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: I think he's an FOT member also ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 15:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <007101c8887c$2f1a8ad0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have had good experiences with Scott on new and used parts also. Good selection, prices, ships the same day if you get him early enough, condition as represented. Check his website for hours as I believe he works 11-5. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Major" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team > Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. > http://www.teamtriumph.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; > "listTriumph" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > > >>I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >>I >> need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 17 16:31:35 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 backing plate question Message-ID: <20080318003127.D489818766A@autox.team.net> I noticed that in my pile of backing plates that bolt on the the rear of the block on my TR6 engines that some plates are thicker than others. Some are aprox 3/16 and others are about a full 1/4" thick. Can anyone let me know what this is all about and if it makes a difference as to which one I use for the race engine I am building. I am using a late model block and crank with a late model 4 speed bolted to it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 17 17:43:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803180043.m2I0hPDD139013@ns3.geneseo.net> Due to interest sparked from some FOT exchanges about scattershields, I have a couple of requests for them. I will ask the fab shop to make one run. If anybody else is interested in one, let me know within three days so you can be included. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6, made from 1/4" thick aluminum 6061-T1. You can see a picture at www.tonydrews.com link "jack's parts" uncle jack From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 17 18:58:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:58:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 11:18:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: I can't speak for SVRA, but in CVAR any kind of spoiler on a TR3 would bump the car up. Quite simply you cannot run a spoiler of any kind on a TR3 or TR4 at SVRA. They both run in Group 3 which does not permit spoilers. Having said that, at Watkins Glen when we feature Triumphs, we WILL accept entries from TR3s and TR4s that have later specifications and a SCCA logbook to prove they are real race cars. They will not run in Group 3 however. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:05:47 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:05:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 20:53:19 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 21:08:45 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:08:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c888ad$c2d2be10$6401a8c0@blake1> Sorry nearly 50. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:53 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 17 20:08:11 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <47DF321B.2030903@dfn.com> Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, > that's good for me. > The major problem when something goes wrong is the time necessary to research the problem--and getting to the root of it is just the first step necessary to correct the problem. Just getting a supplier to acknowledge that a part is not to print is often like pulling teeth. For example, I spent half a day today trying to get an axle supplier to give me a good kit number for some service parts--the kit they said was correct had one item which didn't match their own production bill of material. Never did get a good answer because I was sent to an email address that didn't exist.... Years ago, at a company where I used to work, a designer that had been gone for a while was back in the office, so I asked what he'd been up to. "Oh, been at the production line in Canada, fixing parts." Fix what parts? "Well, seems that someone retired on the line, and his replacement couldn't get any of the rear outer panels and brackets to fit. Turns out that the parts were made to print, but, the prints were never right, the guy who'd retired could never get them fixed, so he just reamed out the through holes until he could fit them." Of course, that meant that whenever someone ordered those parts from aftermarket, none of them fit, and they had to do the same thing. > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > This one should have been simple, and from all I've read, it's likely a quality control problem, along with one of getting the bad ones weeded out of stock. Maybe combined with an original hardness specification that just wasn't up to hard use. Testing random samples of stock will only tell you if they meet what's on the print.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 21:16:27 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Guess I should [again] pipe up. Last Thursday, I spent almost an hour on the phone with Blain from Moss tech. He was knowledgeable, helpful and full of information. My call was regarding my thrust bearing problems. Although they hadn't had any other reports of problems, he did note mine and in the end agreed that my [partial] failure could well have been a less than satisfactory piece. Also, he couldn't tell me where exactly my part may have been made. Big warning flag to me. The most important part of the conversation however, might be concerning the feedback they get. I [and Blain] basically agree with Steven Priess's statement "When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed!". 90% of the parts I buy from Moss and others go on cars that I sell and most of them won't see a thousand miles a year - not much of a test bed. It is perhaps unfortunate that Blain only chuckled when I told him of my "Moss shelf" but it's true... I've got a shelf [sacrifices to the god of speed for those that have seen The Worlds Fastest Indian] of nearly $1000 of broken Moss parts - everything from a grenaded pressure pressure plate to a trans mount that lasted 1 session to carb o-rings that won't withstand modern fuels and now to a thrust washer that could've cost me an engine. My point is not to dis' their parts, but to say that I never told them about any of these failures because I was RACING and knew they wouldn't guarantee their parts for such use. In hindsight I realize that I should have at least reported my problems. Maybe we all should. We racers may be the only ones testing what they sell and they can't fix what they don't know about. I know this has little to do with Geoff's original question as to why he couldn't get a response, but we could probably "improve the breed" thru better communication with our suppliers. On the other hand, my next order of "critical" parts will be coming from BPNW. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. > They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me > they > would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to > replace > my parts, but I had already fixed them. > > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they > continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and > continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 > years, > that's good for me. > > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good > company. > Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that > what > you > order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. > > Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 04:41:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:53:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: Hi Jack, Is there any chance that a stock SCCA ITB TR-7 could run in Group 3, with the TR-3s and TR-4s. The TR-7 has a four cylinder two liter engine. That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 04:53:05 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:53:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 7:41:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra at aol.com writes: That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 06:38:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:38:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] U.S.Vintage Grand Prix @ Watkins Glen 4-7 September 08 Message-ID: FoT: If you are a potential entrant or know someone who maybe a candidate as an entrant, please react as quickly as possible to Jack Woerhle's appeal. The SVRA Website is SVRA.COM and copies of the application for entry are there for your use. Please note that the cost of entry is different for our Triumphs than the general population. ($375.00) No SVRA membership is required for Triumph. ALSO, please note that entrants outside of the Continental North America are FREE. Below is a 'reprint' of Jack W's appeal to us, just in case it might have got past you. (Note the comment on extra group or session....even more track time possible) Joe A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 07:28:19 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <00ce01c88904$50186670$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. The mystery continues!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 07:57:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 8:28:44 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our > floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of > movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. > > The mystery continues!! > Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 08:16:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:16:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander > Jeff... > > Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something > for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know > where > to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're > spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. > > Bill > > PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. > He must be on the mend. > From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 08:43:27 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <010d01c8890e$d10c2280$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: BillDentin at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; info at kipmotor.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [Fot] SU Floats FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 08:57:14 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:57:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 9:44:08 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! > > It's in his genes. > I always thought that diarrhea was hereditary because it was in my jeans. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 18 10:54:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need help on remove/install TR3 overdrive Message-ID: <001401c88921$2565be10$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The input shaft bushing and probably the bearing need replacement on the TR3 transmission which we have in out TR4 racecar (it came with the car). However, we also have an OD unit (also came with the car). After talking to Jack and Tony Drews I learned that the layshaft gears have to be "dropped" down to get the input shaft out. Also from talking to them I'd rather not try the removal and installation of the OD the first time by myself. I have my partner, son Ryan, to help but even with four hands I don't think I want to try this. So, I'm looking either for some assistance from someone in the area who has done this or a recommendation for a shop in the area to do this. I'm not too keen on taking the unit to the local transmission shop. I would compensate anyone who can help for their time and travel, etc. I have a heated shop and the tools, just not the knowhow. But I'd sure like to get the knowhow! Probably won't be the last time we have to do this!!! I live in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. I'm about 1 to 1-1/2 hours from anywhere in Milwaukee and about 2 to 2-1/2 hours from the north and west Chicago suburbs. Anyone to the frozen north of me knows where I am. I am more than willing to take the unit to someone else's place if that works better. I'm rebuilding the bottom end and we are planning on the Gingerman race/school on May 1st, so time is starting to get a little tight. You can contact me off list if you'd like. Tim & Ryan Murphy "Murphy's Law Racing" 1961 TR4 CT511 #317 VSCDA From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Mar 18 13:40:38 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... M From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 13:55:49 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:55:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 2:41:48 PM Central Standard Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue > dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove > it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil > "accidently" fell off... > Amici... That happened to me with a birth control device one time. It got through the inspection all right, but fell off during normal use. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 18 14:13:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights References: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> Message-ID: <005e01c8893c$f43339a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Of course by admitting that in an EMAIL, just as the NY governor was recently exposed, so will you be. Be careful answeringyour door inthe near future, the NY authorities will be ringing! :) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights > I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. > > I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. > > As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. > > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 18 22:51:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds Message-ID: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=42020 Ecclestone is now complaining that there are only two points separating a win and second place in the F1 Drivers Championship. Guess Bernie forgot that the point totals were changed to there current structure when Shumi was running away with the Championship and wins so that reducing the points awarded to the winner was the FIA's way of trying to keep the rest of the field within striking distance of Michael. However, I did like that the article pointed out that the driver with the most wins HAS won the Championship ever year since 1989 when Senna lost it to Prost. Sure sounds like the point totals are causing an ongoing issue with determining the Championship. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Mar 19 04:42:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds References: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: To quote a famous old CENDIV SCCA personality, Ma Beasley, "Let these boys race!" As much as I love the technical exercise that is F1, their Byzantine rules structure on the race itself is just too much. >From the points structure, to "scoring on aggregate", etc... they just make the race itself too much a political event. The "one who crosses the line first wins", sure seems to work pretty well for me. Terry Stetler From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 06:12:50 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:12:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <9547108.1205932370998.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at www.chequeredflagracing.net 818 350 6222 Thanks Joe From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 06:42:53 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:42:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I >> expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a >> complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my >> setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break >> due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all >> of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have >> the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I >> have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for >> the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set >> for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 19 06:48:08 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:48:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit In-Reply-To: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74A8AB50@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I was fine, thanks. The car didn't actually go over on its head. This was a Summers Bros. axle similar to the style you're using in your kit, but a much smaller diameter (1.00" I believe). The Summers Bros. axle we were using was a very nice piece, and would have been fine had I not made a mistake and slid the car sideways down the track. Cold tires + too fast, too soon = broken axle. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:43 AM To: Jerry Barr Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected >> so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit >> will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup >> is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to >> the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those >> problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle >> bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out >> there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and >> GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many >> years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 07:34:27 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:34:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000 000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 07:46:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:46:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wheel Deal 'Kidney Bean' Wheels One Needed or Three for Sale. Message-ID: I have a picture available if there is any interest. I think these are wheels from the 70s that were fairly popular. They are 6 x 15 with TR bolt pattern in Aluminum. I have three good ones, plus two more that are VERY wide 7" ?? I either need one 6" wheel for a full set or to sell the other three. I have no need for the wide ones, so they are offered for sale, too, when I get them off the derelict TR250 I have in my driveway. Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 08:03:01 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ Here is a US supplier Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 08:38:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:38:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] If you need Alloy Headlamp Replacements...otherwise DELETE Message-ID: Free shipping- two styles....with and without P-700 Tripod Decal Direct replacement to sealed beams Pictures available. Thanks! Available at Pegasus, too. From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Mar 18 18:14:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:14:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 19 11:15:56 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 11:54:38 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15x7-Revolution-5-spoke-wheels-Datsun-Ford-To yota-MGB_W0QQitemZ250222412754QQihZ015QQcategoryZ43955QQtcZphotoQQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This person has been selling recently on Ebay. May be worth contacting them. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: March 19, 2008 2:16 PM To: Paul MacDonald; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 19 14:26:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20080319172634.O3Z0Q.84192.root@fepweb06> I got sleeve nuts and washers for the Spitracer at the Auto Zone store down the road in Janesville Wi. I did have to open the ends up because I have three inch studs. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > > > Here is a US supplier > > > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > > REK46 at aol.com > > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > > the > > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > > 1 > > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > > in > > AZ, > > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > > > > > ************** > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > > 0030000 > > 000001) > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 04:53:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:53:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Message-ID: **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) Return-path: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Full-name: JWoesvra Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:26:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 spoilers To: LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain This got bounced back so I am sending it again. In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:21:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra writes: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:41:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Hi Jack, I've been trying to find our SVRA contact. Guess you're it. Perhaps I'm the only one who doesn't know what to expect at Watkins Glen, but please explain... Are we going to be running Triumph only run groups and races [open to all comers] thru-out the event? If I'm going to run a open Triumph group, I would want to run 205/50 Hoosier SM's but if I'm in group 3 I'll need to run 205/60 Speedsters - just a example of what I [we?] need to know.>> To run in Group 3 you will need 60 series tires with a minimum of 2/32 tread. If Triumphs run the entire event as a stand-alone group, would my racer girlfriend Connie be able to campaign the car in group 3? I didn't see any provision for 1 car/2 drivers on the entry form - any discount?>> We probably won't have a stand alone TR group the whole time. However, there is an enduro and you could also run in Group 8. Haven't yet gotten to SVRA's safety section, but can I run with a fire bottle or do I need a onboard fire "system".>> We only require a hand-held extinguisher. Actually, I would like it if we ran strictly group 3 rules - I would likely be one of the few western cars that would qualify [please keep this boast between us!] - would have to swap out my 'glass bonnet but at least I could get to use my vented rotors. But that's not in the spirit of the Kastner Cup.>> I will give you a one race waiver on the grp hood so long as you make weight. I'll look forward to hearing from you, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From malaboge at aol.com Thu Mar 20 08:35:27 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA58B727ECAD0E-F9C-C2B@webmail-nc09.sysops.aol.com> FOTer's- I'm sure plenty of us are olde enuf to recall the original Trans Am cars.? They utilized lug nuts on their Minilites that were about three inches in length and had the octagonal nut extending about two and a half of those inches.? Unfortunately, they are only threaded about one inch inside, but I have been able to chuck those puppies up in a lathe and cut the outside diameter down to whatever I needed for the OD (within reason) to fit the wheels.? If you are running any type of spacer behind the wheel, you can?shorten it just enough to make the length so that it will just approach the?hub.? They are open at the other end so whatever length stud you use can stick out.?They are still being produced.? I'm not in the shop, but ISTR that the company is in southern Cal.? Works slick!? On a new bag of cotton balls...is the top one meant to be thrown away? ??????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss To: REK46 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 20 08:48:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks for responses on OD help Message-ID: <001b01c88aa1$d1bde530$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who responded to me on the request for help with the OD. I'm following up on the suggestions and will let you know how I make out. I may not have been real clear on what I need to do. (My wife, on occasion, also says I'm sometimes not real clear on what I'm doing!!) I just have to remove the OD from the trans to fix the trans and then put the OD back on the trans. I don't have any intention of getting into the OD, at least not right now. Thanks again, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 20 08:52:53 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803201553.m2KFr1ZR039175@ns3.geneseo.net> Last call. I'm placing an order with the fab shop tomorrow for aluminum scattershields as shown on www.tonydrews.com link Jack's Parts. Price $180 plus shipping. We plan to make only the number actually ordered. Please, no complaints about commercial use of the fot list - I'm not making any money on this. It's a service to the sport. uncle jack From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 20 09:06:32 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:06:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just my 2 cents, Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? Bob T. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 20 12:13:56 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 20 12:43:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Invite from Tim Suddard to the Mitty Message-ID: Just want to remind any and all that the Mitty is coming up May 2-4. I will be running my TR3 and would like to invite all to join in on the festivities. Moss is sponsoring a beer party and dart tournament Saturday evening. Full details at: grmspeedfest.com. Thanks guys. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 13:50:42 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <07d201c88acc$10b46b40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Summit has several; pn CRR27902-5, Crager $11.69/per5 or ARE 881140, American Racing, $1.50ea. 7/16 threads. Also other nuts and wheel lugs. Also, I chucked up in my lathe the lug nuts that came with my Panasports (they were closed-ended), cut off the end, and tapped the threads clear through. That way I can use longer studs on the Good hubs I bought. (I took the advice I'd been given about stock TR6 rear hubs....not if but when they break....). Pegasus, 800 688-6946, also hus studs and lug nuts. As does JEGS. No financial interest with any of the above Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > Just my 2 cents, > > Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? > > Bob T. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 20 13:25:56 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 14:15:52 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:15:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Mar 20 15:42:36 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c88adb$b28d1340$17a739c0$@net> There are also 20+ motels in Ithaca which is 30 minutes or so from the Glen. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 20 16:03:12 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:03:12 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <20080320.190312.9172.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> I sent them an RFP for 25 rooms for FOT a couple of months ago, but never heard from them. I guess they are getting off to a good start on customer service. Joe(B) -- "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to get information on owning your own franchise. Great products. Low entry cost. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYIiqLxl9UsgEGUPDxNMTs8s nl9znpxj8JjWtxoWvv908Nyy/ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 18:49:42 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] residual pressure Message-ID: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I know that we have had some discussion about residual pressure valving in the brake master cylinders. The Girling braking sytem for the TR3 and TR4 comes stock with what Moss calls a restrictor valve - it threads into the top of the 4 or 5 way brake line connector that feeds all of the brake lines. I wonder if this is a residual pressure valve. If you will recall the TR3 uses the same master cylinder for the clutch and the brakes - which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these masters. The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Thanks Dennis DeLap From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 20 20:13:45 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:13:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20080321041317.8B390187644@autox.team.net> I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. - Tony Drews At 02:13 PM 3/20/2008, Kramer, Robert wrote: >I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we >get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 21:02:48 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:02:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. You will have your first session late Thursday. Friday follows Thursday. Then comes Saturday followed by Sunday. That is 4 days. I will try to get a provisional schedule done in a few weeks. You can stay over Monday Tony. The rest of us are going home . Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 20 23:24:42 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:24:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > I wonder if this is a > residual pressure valve. Yes, it is. > which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these > masters. That's correct. When the pushrod is fully extended, there is no provision for any remaining pressure, the output port is open to the reservoir. > The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I > am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this > restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Well, I wouldn't want the RPV (which is why I disabled the one on my TR3A many years ago). But I don't believe the TR6 master holds any residual pressure either ... AFAIK Triumph simply removed the function during the TR4 run. The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 21 05:26:48 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the >front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated >spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 21 05:47:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:27 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] residual pressure The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back >on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle >Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 21 05:53:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:53:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall><20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: If you lock up the front circurit then put more power to the rear brakes. Should have nothing to do with that residual valve. The valve is helping to avoid a long pedal feel. >I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been > struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and > I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a > Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 21 07:26:49 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:26:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday Message-ID: To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 21 08:39:08 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Amici... Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. Bill Dentinger PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 08:58:33 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:58:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch - minor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001c88b6c$6a489690$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those interested in the John Fitch saga I have added a link to the local newspaper article printed in January to my two websites. This is directly to the article: http://www.docrebuild.com/curr-evnt/currentevents-116.html These are to my two websites with links, including one to John's biography: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html I am told that legal arrangements are in the works and further progress towards a defense fund is forthcoming. We have already helped restore John's hot water through generous donation of time and talent. This is definitely a heart warming demonstration of the motorsports community stepping up. I am deeply moved. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From gp89 at charter.net Fri Mar 21 16:31:32 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080321193132.GXT8N.162041.root@fepweb04> Lets go for 100". This last blast gets us close. We already broke an old record. Jeff "makin' snowmen in Evansville" Senty ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 21 16:36:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Is there any access to power in the designated area? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 17:14:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 17:21:26 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:21:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Yeah, and it's been raining a few days on the Big Island. I think I'm getting Seasonal Affective Disorder.... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 18:00:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00b201c88bb8$1ff43300$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April 22-27 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 18:15:12 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:15:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 18:18:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: Message-ID: <000a01c88bba$a51e3f60$0202a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..Go for it Pal...Have Huge Fun! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: SMITH1127 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 18:18:39 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. Ernie the Eskimo Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 18:41:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c88bbd$cf490c90$0202a8c0@Bud> DON'T DO IT....Bill will just use the ice to chill Mai Tai's Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today > and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them > the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. > > Ernie the Eskimo > > Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got > coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Mar 21 04:14:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:14:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Message-ID: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... (sorry I couldn't resist) S Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > Is there any access to power in the designated area? > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: > > Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a > few weeks. That should answer a few questions. > > For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made > to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality > Tent > in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. > > The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard > surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST > COME but > if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. > > SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done > for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some > niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the > experience. > > Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, > wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do > this..... > > Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... > > Joe Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 19:40:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:40:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: So the thing with Watkins Glen is the highly variable pit accommodations. You can be in a very handy spot or on the far end of east nowhere. I never DID find Dentinger last year. I'm going to be pitting with Tony Garmey since he's bringing Peyote, but if I was bringing Nero i'd want to be right where i was last year--behind the garages in the non-reserved RV spaces. Power, water, and all that good stuff. Of course if you're staying in a hotel it's not that big a deal. I think Tony has us in some fleabag, knowing his sensibilities. There's a minor chance I'll actually be in an Airstream. Diane and I are looking at a Bambi for doing surf safaris up and down the east and west coasts. Timing might work out for a little long distance paddle for charity with my brother and a bunch of his friends--22 miles from Plymouth to Provincetown (this stand up paddle surfing thing is really taking off). then watkins Glen. Then maybe go down the east coast to do some late season surfing, and a little leaf-peeping in New England. I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot like having the Huns come to visit. On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp > each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... > (sorry I couldn't resist) > S Preiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Moore" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > >> Is there any access to power in the designated area? >> Russ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> N197TR4 at cs.com >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday >> >> To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: >> >> Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to >> us in a >> few weeks. That should answer a few questions. >> >> For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are >> being > made >> to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA >> Hospitality >> Tent >> in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY >> ONLY. >> >> The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and >> hard >> surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space >> is FIRST >> COME but >> if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. >> >> SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he >> has > done >> for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find >> some >> niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the >> experience. >> >> Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get >> acquainted, >> wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time >> to do >> this..... >> >> Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 20:36:44 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:36:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <4573846E-143E-406D-A6E0-86BBCBBB5435@earthlink.net> Message-ID: ************Gunna' sacrifice a Spridget or something? I thought the bog was a thing of the past. >> >> I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home >> (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at >> Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might >> happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot >> like >> having the Huns come to visit. >> >> On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: >> >>> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp >>> each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... >>> (sorry I couldn't resist) **************If I'm going to get 150hp I will need to be plugged into something! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 22 10:14:31 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:14:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg From westerneagleracing at att.net Sat Mar 22 12:25:57 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:25:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: <032220081925.21015.47E55D44000DD46C0000521722216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> -------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" : -------------- Racer Bud, See you at CSRG at Infineon with my new head gasket. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing > Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April > 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April > 22-27 > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > > > > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Amici... > >> > >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > >> TRIUMPH > >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > >> > >> Bill Dentinger > >> > >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > >> get to > >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > >> tomorrow night. > >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > >> Easter everyone. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > >> on AOL > >> Home. > >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 19:05:57 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly References: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <07d701c88c8a$700ec210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try Goodson, 800 533-8010. They sell parts and supplies for engine rebuilders and I know they have shims in various sizes and thicknesses. Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (on the way to Watkins Glen if you're coming from the west). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly > What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have > not seen any for sale? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 22:07:15 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 06:22:57 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: Redline makes some good lubricants, but you can't just add it, you have to replace it. Transmissions don't want to be too slippery or the synchros may not grab. Be careful of what you add to the oil Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "jim hearn" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 07:57:13 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:57:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <001101c88cf6$32032710$6402a8c0@HOME> I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 10:28:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: how do you give the synchros more spring tension? Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 11:18:26 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:18:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Doesn't that just make the holding of each gear more firm? How does that put more pressure on the synchro ring? Isn't the preussre on the synchro ring regulated by the shift lever? Maybe I'm a transmision dummie and can't see it. Charly Mitchel From: "Randall" Date:Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:50 AM To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Attachments: (none) HTML | Plain Text | Header | Raw Content Put shims under the springs that push the balls out of the shift hub. When you shift, the sleeve pushes the hub against the rings, which in turn forces the rings against the cones, providing the synchro action. More force means faster synchro action. Randall ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 11:29:40 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:29:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <004f01c88d13$e3fbbc80$6402a8c0@HOME> This is right Charly, more spring tension does hold the synchro more firm but this is an issue for coasting at low speed. At racing speed you are happy about the good lever control. Cheers Chris From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Mar 23 11:30:04 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <47E6A1AC.7040103@charter.net> Tim I ordered a set from S&S about 1 1/2 years ago and they delivered. It took awhile and they were $4.75ea at the time. For that price they were very accommodating. Try contacting Steve or Sue Bonk @ 847-255-2176. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and too many TR's Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > >> http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ >> >> Here is a US supplier >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of >> REK46 at aol.com >> Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] wheel studs >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in >> the >> states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x >> 1 >> 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy >> in >> AZ, >> but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick >> >> >> >> ************** >> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. >> >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 >> 0030000 >> 000001) >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gaf3 at charter.net From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 23 11:35:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 driveshaft #54 Yellow CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080323143509.5CSVX.68309.root@fepweb09> Howdee FoT! Quantum gearbox is in the GT6, sans the T50 Toyota : ( My stock driveshaft won't go in without squeezing it in with the yolk totally compressed. Forum question is, how much should I shorten the driveshaft. Rumor was Bob Davis moved the engine back about 1/2". The gearbox does set on the very back of the stock rear mount, the rubber mounts are tweaked a little bit.. i.e. it is not a straight mounting right down to the rear support. Moving the engine foward does not seem to be an option. The water pump is within 1/2" of the Griffin radiator. I'm thinking shorten 1" AT LEAST... what is the view of the forum. Kindest regards, Happy Motoring.... Bobby Whitehead From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Mar 23 12:34:12 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:34:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. Bill From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 22:15:33 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:15:33 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c88ca4$ebf61f80$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I have been using straight 30W with no additives at the recommendation of John Esposito from Quantum Mechanics, who rebuilt the transmission and overdrive units. After a somewhat balky beginning, the box has become very nice to shift and quiet in operation. The A-type OD engages strong and smooth. However, the oil does not stay in. In fact it leaks even when TR3 is sitting cold and idle. So, question I have is, is this a good choice for break in, and not for ongoing use? As the car is run on the street, I would hate to lose track of the oil level and burn the thing up! Any advice? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 23 16:03:58 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <003501c88d3a$2f993b10$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I too have had success with just straight GL-4. It is hard to find these days. I get mine at Car Quest. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Mar 23 20:11:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:11:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <20080323.231123.8146.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> I went to the machine shop that I use with a head and went thru his assortment of valve shims until I found the diameters that fit. I shim mine about 0.080 to 0.100 to inches and at that height the spring will slide out of the seat pockets. I buy some seats with a retainer (on the inside) and then machine them on my lathe to fit the seat pocket. This keeps everything in place nicely. Joe(B) -- "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Keep your home running smoothly with great home automation solutions! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqW8fV4pxqpPOaxa0XYMCK0CI esknqXSEx4WghOAegHkiRcHQ/ From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 24 13:33:14 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 24 14:20:39 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the bottle. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GL-4 I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Mar 24 14:28:35 2008 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:28:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: Art, we get GL-4 from our local supplier, it's a Pennzoil product, we get it in 5 gallon pails. The product number is 4804, there is a number on the side for consumer info 1-800-990-9811, maybe there is somebody in your area that carries it. Matt Matt Bakes Triumph Rescue (610) 845 - 8217 _www.TriumphRescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) British Wiring, Inc. 866-461-9050 _www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/) 617 Walnut St. Bally, PA. 19503 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 24 14:35:17 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: <200803242135.m2OLZLoa430930@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been in contact with the Product Manager of the Division of Rogers Corporation, who makes the material named Nytorophyl. This material is used for high volume floats current production car floats, the volume of which is tens of thousands per part number. I've sent him a photo and drawing of the H6 floats and described the problem to him, and asked for his help. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. I hope the request doesn't fall to the bottom of the pile on a busy desk, as so often happens. The material is not available in rods or bars, which would have been ideal. It may be available in flats but apparently is not available in flats of the thickness required to make a float in one piece. I told him that if we can even find some floats already commercially available that could be carved into our shape, we could do that at least for the racers among us who use the H6 (TR3) style carbs. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. When you guys were first talking about this problem I visualized it as a problem experienced by racers only. It turns out that the problem is more widespread -- our major Triumph parts suppliers have seen sales of these floats in big numbers over the years. Although sales numbers and time periods are proprietary numbers that are fairly closely guarded, I'm led to believe that a couple thousand floats over several years is the general ballpark for our entire TR population. I hope that a means of manufacturing these can be found that would justify the effort. uncle jack From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 24 14:50:52 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: Jack... Thank you for your efforts. It's great to know your mind is on 'stuff' like this. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Mar 24 16:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Mar 24 21:44:04 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I had great difficulty finding here is Australia well. After a lot of investigation I found that most of the major manufacturers (Shell, Caltex, Mobil etc.) have stopped making GL-4. They consider it to be a superseded product which GL-5 now encompasses. That is, until you mention the corrosive and tarnishing aspects of GL-5 on Bronze. Then the back down and say that maybe it is quite compatible! However, I did find two things: - 1. People like TOYOTA are bottling GL-4 in their own bottles available at dealerships as an OEM, as fair few Toyota vehicle models still call for GL-4. 2. Royal Purple make it and that's what I used. Cheers.... Peter Vucinic TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2008 10:50 AM To: riverside Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL 4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au __________ NOD32 2969 (20080324) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 07:33:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used A.R.E, Aluminum TR4 TR4A Front Engine Plate Available Message-ID: FoT Offered here first..... Absolutely perfect! 'Used' only in the sense that it was installed and run in one of my TR4 Engines. Sold on your approval.......checked for flatness. No scraping of timing chain tensioner. (on any of my installations) Check in on this....will ship right away. Thanks! Joe A From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 13:29:44 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 25 15:33:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> References: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: Kubota Tractor, 3cyl diesel, I think... At least that what it was for, for mine, which is a 3 wire application (yet to be figured out) Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Russ Moore wrote: I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 18:46:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:46:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Rolling Chassis Available In Iowa Message-ID: FoT List First: I have been supporting the restoration of a TR3A in Forest City, Iowa for the past 2-3 years. (Retired School Superintendent) I found an excellent tub on an excellent chassis for him. The chassis was better than what he had, but he was too far into his original chassis. So now that the TR3A is essentially done he wants to sell the rolling chassis. I told him I would put the word out. If anyone has a need for an excellent TR3A chassis let me know. Delivery is possible, especially west to Colorado or Wyoming by end of May. Let me know in the next few days before I go to the 'big TR list'. BTW, he also has 14" wire wheels with new tires...fits MG or Triumph. Thanks, Joe From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Mar 25 19:19:54 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious whatever-it-is. He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the street. E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? Fred Hodgson From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 25 23:39:45 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:39:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 04:19:20 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573398.92128.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second another corner worker. Doug --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > illustrious whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > III Spit on the street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 07:56:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:56:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chassis Sold to FoT. Message-ID: Cancel that chassis offer.....thanks. Joe A From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed Mar 26 08:09:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <032620081509.9943.47EA67200005BFC8000026D722230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Sounds like another Colorado guy. I'll third. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second another corner worker. > > Doug > > --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > > > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > > illustrious whatever-it-is. > > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > > III Spit on the street. > > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > > > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 08:27:52 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:27:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 09:07:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:07:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 9:28:29 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher > > was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us > > are just half fast.) > Amici... I too enjoyed that article. It is well done and gives a feel for the tremendous scope of a 24 Hour Endurance effort. Ted's constant use of the collective pronoun 'we' rings true and helps describe how many hands are needed to be successful in endurance racing. Of course the racers are important, but so too that crew and team. The panoramic picture of the 'TS' team shows how just how many people were involved in supporting that effort (rivals the population of Rhode Island). The article also includes a great photo of Mike Cook, driving a lowly TR7 and getting ready to lap Ted in the TR8 (yet again). Kidding! After the smoke cleared, both cars placed in their respective classes. Ted's TR8 took 3rd, and Mike's TR7 took 2nd. Seems like I remember Ted speaking at an early North American Triumph Challenge event either before or after that race. Ah yes...the good old days. Bill Dentinger PS...the back cover sure looks like the old Roadster I once owned (KTF 469). It was lipstick red when I owned it. A sacrilege, but not something I had done. The guy I sold it to put a TON of money into a professional restoration, and it was drop dead gorgeous the next time I saw it. Sure looks like the same car. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 10:14:02 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839109.2859.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Join the VTR and other model specific groups. The cost of membersip isn't much and such groups can have a huge impact on event organizers, vendors and manufacturers; plus another source to stay up with what is happening in the world of Triumphs. My $0.02. Ernie N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 26 10:14:08 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080326.111409.2528.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I will support that nomination. Robert is involved in many aspects of Triumph, and English cars & Sportscars in general. Great addition. Bill On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Fred & Mary Hodgson writes: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious > whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the > street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 26 10:48:55 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:48:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c88f69$ac84edf0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Joe and all FOTers, Our local Houston club, the Texas Triumph Register, has about 150 family memberships with 50 or more very active members. We are almost all members of the VTR along with our club's membership. I happen to know that the officers are very much in favor of supporting all types of racing and anything or event that has a Triumph of any kind in it. Of course, there are a few clubs out there that have a few members wanting nothing more than to roll there trailer-queens off the trailer and show them, win a trophy, and carry it home and look at it like a coffee table. Because that's not what I choose to do, doesn't make it wrong. The TRA, Stag Club, Six Pack, FOT, Vintage Triumph Register, or whatever club has Triumphs belonging to it needs to make room for all types of events for all types of people with different interests in driving, showing, touring, and restoring. All of us benefit in some way for each of the national clubs having this variety within our hobby. An excellent restoration, for example, that sells for the big bucks at an auction, increases the value of all our cars; just as being able to show a prospective Triumph buyer the race results from Watkins Glen, and showing him or her the photos of a similar Triumph still being raced will help to complete the deal and gain another younger person interested in triumphing. The survival of our hobby depends on all us staying strong in number, which means getting younger members interested in one or more of a variety of events. FOT not wanting a formal organization is actually refreshing, because it works great as long as our computer guru Mark stays on top of things in Utah. But banding together in a larger more formal organization will no doubt help us count members and be a more influential tribe of hobbyists. For an anti-establishment guy, that's the best "I have a dream speech" I can use to explain my view. Sorry for it being so long. Don Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:28 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 12:01:10 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:01:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of your points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and autocross a race prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit from my FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many ways, and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT organization. For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in historically significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I have purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission number TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, and the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has always been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of history restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, I'm faced with ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our family, and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. It would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the choice among all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be best for TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for the celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph for all persons interested in the marque. Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in September at Watkins Glen. Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Mar 26 12:47:20 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09480 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 12:54:29 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay In-Reply-To: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <782C0A9C-B94F-4355-B391-E3569FCB07EA@charter.net> I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] > Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just > showed up. > Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR- > RACE_W0QQitemZ3 > 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > m > > If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09480 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a > name of rtCurve.gif] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 13:05:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:05:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town From TomD4760 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:13:49 2008 From: TomD4760 at aol.com (TomD4760 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Answers the question that should never have been asked: Triumph convertible with Harley Davidson features


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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:17:10 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > > > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From igofaster at charter.net Wed Mar 26 13:27:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Newbie opens a can of worms... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080326162705.JY7DY.24961.root@fepweb16> I've been informed that my last post may have rubbed someone on the forum wrong. My silly question about shortening the drive shaft and a mention that MAYBE my engine had been moved back 1/2" or so. BTW , CVAR looked at the car and several experts viewed my car plus I took side by side detailed photos of my stock GT6 side by side with my race car engine. If it was moved, you can't tell it. So, I understand some people want to cheat to win the $8.00 trophy at the end of the season, that's fine. All I'm doing is trying to comply with CVAR and their requests to have the car run in vintage gear, sans the beloved Toyota T50. I'm the guy who starts in last place, and I don't mind finishing in last place. I just want to have fun with a nicely preparred Triumph GT6+. I don't want to break, crash, or spin... I just want to have fun... now, if you have trouble lapping me, I may hold out and press the right pedal a little harder but if you can pass, you will. I'm old skool in my bones, newbie in the race car and the forum. If I offended someone here because they have a cheater car, really sorry, just trying to learn from the forum, after all, in my opinion, we may go fast, at times, but it is really more of an exhibition, not 200 mph racing..... Bobby Whitehead #54 YELLOW CVAR 1970 GT6+ From kaskas at cox.net Wed Mar 26 13:43:36 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: Message-ID: <00a401c88f82$165af7c0$d214c548@RW> Moon covers are great as long as you only hit the brakes about twice a lap, cause if you try for more you'll have NONE. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > >> > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. >> > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: >> > >> >> For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town >> > > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 14:36:55 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My 58 TR3 is something like this except for the Harley stuff. Well it does have a Harley fishtail muffler on it. On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:13 PM, TomD4760 at aol.com wrote: > Answers the question that should never have been asked: > Triumph > convertible with Harley Davidson features >


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> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 14:48:08 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as California real estate! Kurt O. >From: Jeff Snook >Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay >[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > >Jeff Snook >http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > >E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >Database version: 5.09480 >http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 15:01:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006901c88f8c$fa633c20$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> right now it's a lot better than California real estate. Which prompts the question - does the collector car market go backwards anytime soon? I'm not talking about our lowly $10,000 TRs, but the $100,000 muscle cars and the $250,000 Maseratis. Between the economy and concerns about global warming, it's due for a correction. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my > rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as > California real estate! > > Kurt O. > >>From: Jeff Snook >>Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > >>[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >>Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >>Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >>30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 >> >> >> >>Jeff Snook >>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> >>E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >>Database version: 5.09480 >>http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of >>rtCurve.gif] >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 15:14:00 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:14:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: I'm guessing good examples of European sports cars will continue to increase in value, especially those cars owned in the US with the continuing falling dollar. American muscle cars have already started their correction, downward. A Sports Car Market Magazine article recently compared a diversified classic car collection with the performance of the Dow over 10 years. The car collection won hands down, but the fine print was that the fiscal performance did not include the cost of storage, maintenance, or insurance. Hey, I'd rather turn a wrench on a nice Triumph in a comfortable garage than know I've got a stock certificate sitting in some safety deposit box. And as long as Grundy Worldwide still writes in Hawaii, insurance is not that big an issue. Let long term investments be fun investments, and maybe die broke? Aloha, Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 17:28:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:28:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: List, I was in my storage garage....and looked in a box. I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies..... It turns out they are in decent condition. If you would like to carry a spare...or want to avoid a rebuild...contact me. Otherwise, next stop, eBay. Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Mar 26 17:48:25 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Comments interspaced below... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? > Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of > your > points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any > meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and > autocross a race > prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit > from my > FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many > ways, > and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT > organization. > > For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand > it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in > historically > significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I > have > purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission > number > TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, > and > the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer > queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has > always > been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of > history > restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. > > Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, At one time back in the 70s and 80s there was an active Triumph club in Hawaii. Linda and I were on vacation in Honollulu in '84 and we linked up with the club as they happened to have a meeting the week we were there. I seem to recall one of the members was a guy named John Schrum. > I'm faced with > ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our > family, > and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. > It > would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles > like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the > choice among > all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or > conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be > best for > TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for > the > celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph > for all > persons interested in the marque. With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). While there may not be a specific Triumph club with a local chapter in Hawaii, odds are there may be a local AACA chapter. As to the charter/mission of VTR, ours has always been to encourage the ownership, preservation AND operation of all Triumph automobiles. If you ever get the chance to attend a VTR national convention, you'll find we have a mandatory "driving event" requirement for all vehicles entered in the concour. That "requirement" was instituted back in 1981 and has been in place ever since. > Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in > September at Watkins Glen. > > Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii Linda and I will be at the Glen also with our 95% original 61 TR-3A. We stay at the nearby KOA campground. The Glen is a great venue for the vintage races. We have been going for about 10 years now and only missed a couple of times. Cheers, Bill Sohl Past President, VTR 1983-1990 From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 18:18:00 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:18:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/08 4:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies.. >> I have a sizable stack of these in a plastic box on the shelf. One of these days, I will have to count them. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 19:20:39 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last minute prep Message-ID: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> So today I was out in the shop doing the last bit of prep work on my Spitfire in anticipation of the opening SCCA regional at Portland this weekend. Opened the shop door so I could fire up the car, and lo and behold it's snowing. I'm only 25 miles and a few hundred feet higher than PIR. Ya gotta love this Pacific NW weather. I can't tell you how many times I've sat on pregrid with two slicks and two rain tires on the car waiting to make that last minute decision. From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 19:43:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:43:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:48:50 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, billsohl at optonline.net writes: With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). Thanks, Bill. I am a member of VTR and TRA, and am familiar with the Hawaii Chapter of the Antique Car Club of America. I appreciate your thoughts. Aloha. Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 12:38:25 2008 From: twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net (Twin Pine Restoration) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Mar 26 20:00:21 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> References: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> Message-ID: <47EB0DC5.20704@141.com> Russ, Kubota tractors used those alternators. I bought one for Susan's spitfire and after we got it I went to the junk yard and compared and found that there are a LOT of alternators in the junkyards that are the same. I think the Geo Metro is one that had an identical alternator. Typically about $35 or so from the junk yard. Brad Twin Pine Restoration wrote: > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 26 21:06:33 2008 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:06:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Tom: That's my buddy Steve (AKA "The Crook") I bought the #357 TR4 from! Cheers! Mark 62 RMVR TR4 #357 64 SCCA Spitfire #42 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 22:16:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 22:18:31 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? What about just unplugging the stock alternator? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 26 23:25:10 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:25:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets Message-ID: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? For example: Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. Groove Our price: $ 28.95 Type: Product Availability: Available Qty: Buy now | Add to wishlist | Add to favorites Ask a question | Email to a friend | Print SKU: MAN-13051-8 Manufacturer: Manley Mfg part #: 13051-8 Be the first to review this product. Write a review Description: Specifications: Valve Stem Installed Height Groove Type Weight per Pair .3110" Standard Bead Loc. 8.2 gr * Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish * Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. * Highest quality alloy steel. * Thicker for greater strength. * Sold in pairs of 8. Shipping cost: These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. Thanks, Greg [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 27 03:46:47 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 27 03:56:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: If you're going to use electronic ignition of any sort you'd be better of with an alternator, the 14 volts you wind up with is appreciated and expected by the electronics. As a guy who runs points for just that reason I still think about an alternator occasionally as being one less thing I need to worry about in the pits. Forgetting to make sure your battery is fully charged can be a bitch sometimes. And what are you doing up at this hour Susan. It's one AM here in Hawaii, but i woke up after having a bit too much port tonight. Cigars and a long talk with an old friend--now I'm paying the price. On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:46 AM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an > alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This > one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also > ran > better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put > the > proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > jim hearn wrote: >> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? >> What about just unplugging the stock alternator? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of >> Russ Moore >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' >> Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? >> >> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso >> alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many >> have >> started using for race applications. What was that application? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still > writing Pig on my checks. ** > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 05:01:41 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:16 AM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 05:02:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A86@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> The path we are heading down in CVAR will have us running Lucas alternators before long or you will lose the points anyway. The Geo Metro apporach isn't period correct. Ugh. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:47 AM To: jim hearn Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 27 06:19:06 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets In-Reply-To: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <200803271319.m2RDJEfS487318@ns3.geneseo.net> Ken Gillanders at BFE sells titanium keepers. Very nice, very strong, won't break the bank. At 01:25 AM 3/27/2008, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can >we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? > >For example: > > > > >Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. >Groove > >Our price: $ 28.95 > >Type: Product >Availability: Available > >Qty: Buy now | > Add to wishlist | > Add to favorites > > >cnc-motorsports.com/product%2Easp%3FProdID%3D14891%26CtgID%3D14888> Ask >a question | Email to a friend | > Print > > > > > >SKU: MAN-13051-8 >Manufacturer: Manley >Mfg part #: 13051-8 >Be the first to review this product. > >Write a review >Description: >Specifications: > >Valve Stem >Installed Height >Groove Type >Weight per Pair > >.3110" >Standard >Bead Loc. >8.2 gr > >* Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish >* Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. >* Highest quality alloy steel. >* Thicker for greater strength. >* Sold in pairs of 8. >Shipping cost: >These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. > >Thanks, > >Greg > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a >name of image001.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 06:53:49 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:53:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From rhlamp at babcock.com Thu Mar 27 06:59:33 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38085@barbpo3.bwes.net> I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:54 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00 030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 07:02:50 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:02:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Still have it. Start on it next when the Tiger is done in a few weeks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 07:23:24 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <8CA5E2D4047E68E-5F8-36D6@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. ==AM== I'm at work, and my jug of Sta-Lube is in the garage at home, so I can't double-check. But I'm pretty sure that it does say GL-4 right on the jug. Funny thing, though: some NAPA stores don't stock it and will look at you as if you had the proverbial two heads when you ask for GL-4; others will say "right over there on the shelf"! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 07:52:29 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 02 sensor locations In-Reply-To: <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> References: <49f668fe0803270604mde0a8bfo614243ab473a8d5d@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803270752x1e7584b0w7ed3c19700b09916@mail.gmail.com> I have a pacesetter header [again, really liked the one from Kingston in England, but no time to get one this time]. The wide band O2 sensor is mounted on top of the collector -- just after the pipes all come together. This is a heated sensor. It is hooked to an Innovate wide band meter -- LM-1. This is a recording device also. I also got an LM-3 axillary box. This allows me to record the rpms [from the Crane ignition]. The LM-3 has a built in MAP sensor, so I have hooked the PI vacuum to it. Hope to have the car running this weekend. With this setup I can read MAP, RPM and O2 so can get the TR PI system dialed in. The devices allow 45 minutes of recording, so can capture actual run data. The Aux box also has built in linear and lateral accelerometers, so will be able to determine cornering forces and HP and Torque. A real rolling dyno of sorts. Results to follwo. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Joseph Grant wrote: > John, > > You need to mount the sensors as close to the manifold as possible. This > is > why: in order for the sensors to come online, they need to heat up. The > sooner they come online the quicker an FI PCM goes into closed loop. Are > you running FI on your engine or are you hooking the o2 sensors to one of > those meters that show the air/fuel ratio? Either way, the sensors need > to > heat up quickly before they can start giving proper readings. > > Don't dismiss my answer. The engine in my TR6 is indeed FI, with handmade > headers. The O2 sensors are mounted on the very top of the collector. > Click on the following link: http://www.bowtie6.com/repairs/cam54.jpg and > that shows a pic of the engine in my TR6. You can see on the extreme > bottom > the header on the passenger side. You can see the O2 sensor sticking up > from the top of the collector. > > In your case, I realize the bung cannot be welded on the top of the > exhaust > manifold like I did on mine. However, the O2 sensor can be placed on the > pipe that attaches to the end of the manifold. > > Joe > '72 TR6 - CC77169 > http://www.bowtie6.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John > North > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 09:04 > To: Triumph 6 Pack > Subject: [6pack] 02 sensor locations > > Where is the best place to locate sensors... Nelson Reidell suggests > in the middle of the down pipes. I have the 76 double pipe system, > so I guess I need two sensors and a switch to get readings off both > carbs. Any suggestions or advice? > > John North > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:29:32 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Cooper Fitch update In-Reply-To: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <019301c8901f$5b2386e0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those of you interested, I've updated the information at: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html A bank account has been started for the Friends of Fitch at Salisbury Bank and Trust Company, and that information is included. Thank you for your support! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Mar 27 10:37:47 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:37:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head minimums Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADDE54@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Can anybody tell me where I can locate information on the minimum total thickness and minimum combustion chamber depth for Spitfire 1500 heads? I need to zip a little more off of the head surface and would rather not hit the water jacket. Scott B. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 10:59:16 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <0f7f01c89034$45f48110$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 Not according to their web site : http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 (or what's printed on the bottles I have) Their "gear oils" are rated GL-5, but generally not recommended for use in synchromesh transmissions, because they are too slippery for good synchro operation. But even so, they don't have the corrosive additive found in conventional GL-5, so should be safe for use in Triumph differentials. Randall From vanlake at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 27 15:08:56 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Google GL 4 and you will find more dealers of GL4 then you care to read. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 15:57:58 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <100e01c8905e$0027c0f0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Just for clarity, Redline's full synthetic GL-4 manual transmission lube is available both in 70W80 (MTL) and 75W90 (MT-90). Their GL-5 gear oil is available in 70W75, 75W80, 75W90, 75W140 and 80W140. http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 Randall From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Mar 27 17:16:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph.... FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse 5. Reserved downtown parking 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets. For immediate info and registration form, go to: http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. ------------ Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 27 17:37:18 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Nice promotion, Bill! I am hoping that we do a lot of advance sales of FOT/Glen Shirts and Friday will be the Official FOT Shirt Day. The Triumph Race Cars will have priority in coming to the VILLAGE, too. Not to mention Friday afternoon's, "The Legends Speak", will be a BLUE RIBBON PANEL of FOT list members. Joe A > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... > > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with > your street driven Triumph.... > > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving > event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a > Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) > > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) > 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack > 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack > 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse > 5. Reserved downtown parking > 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral > Parking area > > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES > two full race weekend WGI tickets. > > For immediate info and registration form, go to: > > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link > > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph > > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. > ------------ > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > From dkettler at powercom.net Thu Mar 27 18:37:26 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Dear FOT: I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? Thanks. Dave Kettler From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 20:44:00 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: <007e01c89085$f5efe950$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I've had good luck with the Eastwood caliper paint - bead blast to bare metal first. It's holding up on my front claipers after a few years and the usual drips from bleeding ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kettler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I > use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a > solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other > solution? > > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 06:22:48 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take all day by itself. Last year during TRA we did laps of The Glen in our TR3s and TR4s. Some Numbskull way up front couldn't keep up with the pace car and the laps for us in the back were way too slow (no passing). This time, I'm lining up right behind the pace car. John H. > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so...> > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph....> > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted)> > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira)> 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack> 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack> 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse> 5. Reserved downtown parking> 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area> > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets.> > For immediate info and registration form, go to:> > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link> > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph> > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 28 08:26:04 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating In-Reply-To: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 09:07:57 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3.> > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take> all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 12:13:45 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 28 13:28:11 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Cheap Lodging... In-Reply-To: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <8CA5F29608F520E-1454-189E@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com> Not in Watkins Glen, but an easy drive, about 20 minutes away in Elmira/Horseheads. Motel 6. $55.95/night Mon-Thur. $59.95/night Fri-Sat. Plus tax, of course. Rich Rock From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 14:53:02 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <01dc01c8911e$188fc1e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> The room at the Hampton Inn is no longer available. Peter Bulkowski from Toronto is taking it. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Watkins Glen Room Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 28 17:02:57 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <20080328.200257.28361.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> I have had similar experiences with urethane paints. Most are somewhat resistant to brake fluids. They are also more difficult to sand, abrasive blast, etc. Be sure to wear a good respirator with fresh organic vapor cartridges or better yet a supplied air respirator when painting with urethanes. Without a respirator you may become sensitized to the Isocyanates in the hardener. This may cause a severe athsma like reaction. Once you are sensitized to it, you will react to it with any exposure. Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmmKGUUoNDFkzbumNUQKAxGW Rh3wIz9iDX0MVKgDAPT9P3HS/ From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 17:28:02 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question Message-ID: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 versus GL-5, etc. for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? I see non-synthetic StaLube is GL-4 and so is a version of Redline gear oil. It doesn't seem like they could be equal if judging by nothing else but price. Does it just say that both are adequate for this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? Thanks for any clarification, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 28 18:04:40 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <127001c89138$ddfeab70$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. > for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? As I understand it, the concern is an "extreme pressure" (EP) additive that contains sulfur. As the additive does it's job of protecting gear surfaces after the normal oil film has broken down, it also deteriorates and eventually forms sulfuric acid. (This is also what gives old gear oil that distinctive smell.) This acid in turn can slowly corrode surfaces made of copper alloys (collectively "yellow metal") that also rub, like synchro rings and bushings. If you've ever taken out a synchro ring that was black where it didn't rub, that is a sign it was attacked by the EP additive. Unfortunately the "GL" standards do not address this additive directly and thus different formulations can have different amounts of it. Even conventional GL4 oils have some of it, just not as much as most conventional GL5 oils. It's even possible for a GL5 oil to meet the GL4 standard, for example Valvoline Durablend gear oil. http://www.valvoline.com/products/Durablend%20Gear%20Oil.pdf (I believe Sta-Lube also used to market a conventional oil with both markings on it, but they stopped due to consumer confusion.) Also, since synthetic oils have a stronger base stock (meaning the normal oil film will hold up under more pressure), they typically do not use as much of the sulfur-based additive. Thus a synthetic GL5 should be safe for yellow metal. At least I've been running GL5 synthetic in my TR3A differential for many years now, and while the thrusts were pretty badly worn when I got it in 1982, they don't seem to have gotten any worse in all those years & miles. (This isn't what I use, just an example of a GL5 full synthetic gear oil that specifically mentions being safe for yellow metal) http://www.royalpurple.com.au/files/CIY7IBY5U1/mgearaps.pdf Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 22:28:37 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the tranny lube subject Message-ID: <000001c8915d$bde7f2e0$b1191718@computer> Sounds like StaLube is best for my TR6 tranny since it is GL-4 and I have found it at the local NAPA. It comes in 85/90 and 85/140. I race (mostly autocross) mostly in hot weather (California). I would think to use the 85/90 but is it possible that I should consider using the 85/140? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 00:29:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:29:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 28 23:49:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:49:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > ?????? http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 01:27:23 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080329072749.NYUB25784.mta9.adelphia.net@randall> > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > > > > ?????? > > http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html ??? indeed, guess it was just me that didn't get it. Oh well, apologies for the (almost) duplicate. Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 06:45:09 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 07:26:57 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines Message-ID: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Mar 29 07:59:19 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines In-Reply-To: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding them anyway. Brad BOB KRAMER wrote: > There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for > vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can > be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has > heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 08:34:21 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Message-ID: <005801c891b2$5cd99a30$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Thanks for all the responses. I'm making sure he gets the info. This may help gat another Spitfire guy on the track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 engines > Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small > journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding > them anyway. > > Brad > > > BOB KRAMER wrote: >> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for >> vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car >> can >> be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He >> has >> heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? >> >> Bob Kramer >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Mar 29 10:18:58 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 29 10:57:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:57:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then set the walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without wetting your wallboards. Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It won't be enough... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 29 11:01:51 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest you make a space for a bunch of big cardboard pieces that you can slide under the triumph! :) ~SB On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 29 11:06:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AD2920B-DD79-44A3-811E-6C7E44CD7926@bnj.com> Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift without ever using it. On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 29 11:15:31 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006401c891c8$e08f17e0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> I'd include a space to eat and sleep because when you're done she'll make you sleep there. JVV Fog 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 29 11:17:22 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2008 12:09:00 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 > percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about > adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air > compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much > space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more > practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a > look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift > without ever using it. > Amici... Having ample space is great, but as a matter of fact, no matter how large you make it...you'll fill it. 'Stuff' increases in direct proportion to the space available. Sure agree on number of outlets and outlets in the ceiling. Getting the air compressor outside addresses both a noise issue and storage. Disagree concerning the lift. Wouldn't be without one. They're great!!! Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Sat Mar 29 11:44:00 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to http://www.garagejournal.com Just about everykind of garage/workspace imaginable has been outlined and presented here, and there are tons of pictures of people's projects for you to get ideas. I've got lots of ideas I what to do on my 30x32, and the group is very helpful.... You'll end up spending hours and hours, though. There is everything from what to do with your floors for budget conscious guy to what the retired millionaire doctors are doing with their 3 building bridge- trollied complexes.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Ken Gano palm top wrote: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From VANDECARR at aol.com Sat Mar 29 12:00:19 2008 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:00:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: About 5 years ago I built a 24x40 garage built using pole barn construction. The total cost was just a few thousand more than the cost of the excavation and foundation for a conventional garage. I outside is finished in siding to match the house, it's well insulated and I heat it with a $100 portable kerosene stove. I just built the structure and then had a floating slab poured for the floor. I had them pour it flat so setting up the car's suspension is real easy. Total cost was less than half of conventional construction and looking at it you can't tell the difference. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cofrog at q.com Sat Mar 29 12:00:31 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Message-ID: I may have screwed up. I ordered some Stahl headers for my TR4A racer. It never occured to me (dummy) that the headers may be different for a TR4 than a TR4A, so I just ordered TR4 headers. Alas, they don't fit as they interfer with the upper A arm mount. I am awaiting a return call from Mr. Stahl to find out if he has templets for both cars or is one size fits all. My question is have any TR4A folks bought headers from Stahl, and if so, was it necessary to specify TR4A rather than TR4. My hope is that Stahl uses one templet for TR3 thru 4A and that the ones I have have a manufacturing error causing the misfit. If there are two templets, I may have some headers for sale soon. :-( Thank, Dan Forgey From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 12:40:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <6066004.1866641206819617970.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Ken; Give some real thought to the type of heat. I work in a shop that has heated floors. Hot water from a wall mounted boiler circlutes thru the slab and it is great. Feet are warm and everything stays warm, cars, tools, and naps on the creeper under the car are great. Dean T. >From: Ken Gano palm top >Date: 2008/03/29 Sat PM 12:18:58 CDT >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal >Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached >garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > >Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the >hobby. > >I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a >4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be >permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and >Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest >requirements. :-) > >I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design >considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial >layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am >sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet >of paper project. > >Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > >Kg > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 >10:58 AM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 29 14:16:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am interested in. The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? uncle jack From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 15:36:27 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006301c891ed$5402de90$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Couple of thoughts from my own garage - you can never have too much light. Mine is well lit by 2'x4' flourescent lights salvaged from an office space that was getting demolished Paint the floor - after ten years, I cleared out the garage one weekend and used the Griot's Garage two part epoxy paint. The place is unbelievably cleaner and brighter. The paint has held up well four years out - a few chips where I have dropped steel (driveshafts, springs, etc), but overall great Heat - I just have a natural gas fired unit heater. In Philadelphia that's enough Underfloor heat would be great but much more expensive. Depends on the climate, and if I lived in Maine or mid west, I would go for underfloor Ventilation - wish I had put an BF exhaust fan in the roof. Operable skylight is pretty good though. Insulate the roof and walls if possible, buy an insulated garage door. Put in windows for natural light - nice to have a view over your work bench! My garage has a pitched roof, so there is a loft space framed out with a plywood floor. It makes great storage space. Right now it's accessed only by a ladder but someday will have a drop down stair Best thing I did is have an I-beam put in that runs in line with one of the "car spots" over to the workbench. It has an I-beam trolley on it - with a chain hoist I can pull an engine and transmission and drop them right on my workbench. As the garage is not huge this takes up less room than the typical roll around engine hoists when you are not using them compressed air - yes, buy a two stage compressor - nothing else is adequate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 15:44:13 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:44:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Jack W. Drews wrote: > Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the > bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? > > The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One > regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so > the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am > interested in. > > The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between > the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged > filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the > oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The > problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too > low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when > something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter > and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the > expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. > > I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the > likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use > 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. > > Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could > disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the > pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full > flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? > On the better heavy-duty commercial systems, bypass oil is shunted to a second filter when the differential reaches the preset, and turns on a monitor light to indicate to the operator that the primary filter needs attention. That's probably the ideal situation, but a bit impractical for an occasionally-run vintage racer. I suppose the question would be how much differential would prevent the sort of problem Jack describes. Too much differential and the filter can load up with gradually-shed pieces which then tear through the filter media and into the system--no advantage there--along with a reduction in oil pressure at precisely when more pressure is needed to keep the engine alive. Too little and the engine is awash in unfiltered oil. As I recall, the commercial units described above have a factory preset of, depending on the system manufacturer, about 8-11 psi, although I've heard that a differential of as little as five psi indicates a fairly loaded filter (systems for heavy-duty auto transmissions, which run at pretty high pressures and volumes, seem to be preset for about 15 psi differential). What is just as important, I would guess, is knowing when the filter is bypassing. A switch grounding a light would give some indication, but for some serious testing, one might need to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the differential. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 17:54:54 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > but for some serious testing, one might need > to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the > differential. Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 17:04:40 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EED918.2090705@dfn.com> Randall wrote: >> but for some serious testing, one might need >> to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the >> differential. >> > > Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential > directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. > > This is quite true--these are available--but, I didn't suggest one because I have no idea of their cost, or their required calibration. Industrial process instrumentation tends to be more expensive than automotive grade. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 29 17:42:27 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Jim, Moss suggests Red Line 75W90 NS for non-OD Triumph transmissions and Red Line MT-90 for OD applications. I have used both with positive results. If you read the label on the MT-90, it states that it has a better coefficient of friction which supports quick synchro engagement allowing for high speed shifting - up and down. Most gear oils and motor oils are too slippery for proper synchro engagement. MT-90 is recommended for all manual transmissions that require GL-1, GL-3 or GL- 4 gear oils. It also meets gear oil viscosities SAE 75W, 80W and 90, or motor oil viscosities of SAE 40 and 10W40. Most GL- 5 gear oils contain reactive sulfur which can chemically wear synchros and shorten their life. Allen On Mar 29, 2008, at 8:45 AM, jim hearn wrote: > Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific > gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are > Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim > in Sacramento > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM > To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > >> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 >> versus GL-5, etc. > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. > > In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that > breaks > down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used > in > synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has > more > of > this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. > > However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive > itself, so > not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full > synthetic > oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; > so > many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". > > There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is > Valvoline > Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more > _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests > or > put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a > conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but > they > don't any more. > >> Does it just say that both are adequate for >> this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? > > I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or > GL5. > In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than > either > GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 18:37:29 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <007201c89206$9e231ee0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> List, I use non detergent 30 wt. from Autozone in all my TR transmissions. Works just fine. Reccommeded by John Esposito of Quantumechanics. If there's a difference between this lube and all the more exotics, I believe I'll be long gone before some future owner of my cars discovers it. Ed Woods From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Mar 29 19:49:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:49:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: This is what I am now using: Amsoil Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube (MTG): SAE 75W-90 API GL-4 The bumpf reads, Designed ro meet the special requirements of certain manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides improved internal component protection. Formulated with extreme pressure additives and advanced synchromesh qualities that provide smooth shifts while protecting gears, bearings and seals. Non-corrosive to yellow metals. Recommended for manual transmissions and transaxles that require 75W-85, 75W-90 or 80W-90 viscosities and any of the following performance specifications: API GL-4 and MT-1, ZF TE-ML 02B, 16A, 17A and 19A, Chrysler MS-9070, MAN 341 ML. Recommended for use in NV 4500 transmissions and replaces GM part # 12346190 and Chrsler part # 4874459. Meets GL-4 specifications required by some models of Acura, Hyundai, Infiniti, Kia, Land Rover, Lexus, Mazda, Mitsubishi-Fuso and Zetor. Ideal for muscle car transmissions including Muncie, Borg-Warner, Saginaw, Ford Toploader, Dearborn and New Process. Also recommended for Gear Vendors Gear Splitters. I hope that helps Leon not an Amsoil dealer, just a customer. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 06:23:38 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ken, I recommend the heated floor as a priority for your new mahal. The shops I have been that have it, were quite comfortable even heat. Here in the midwest, sweating floors are a problem in spring. Heated floors prevent that. It is quiet safe heat too. It is a simple system employing a household hot water heater and circulation pump. Use lots of insulation in the walls and ceiling. And, be sure to cover the insulation on the inside with a plastic vapor barrier. Also, being an auto technician for some 45 years this September, I can assure you working under a lift the last 10 has been more pleasant than getting up and down off a creeper after having had to jack the car up an safely place it on jack stands. If you can't put it in your budget now, at least pour the reinforced location in the floor for one in the future. Get a BIG air compressor and place it outside the working area even it it means a separate little hut on the back or side out of sight. They are noisey. Pipe in the air to multiple locations and use moisture traps. That's my Two cents worth. Ken Suhre --- Ken Gano palm top wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an > unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a > respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are > modest. It needs to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall > enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district > zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I > said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as > to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to > include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and > construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise > this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - > Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 08:53:26 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:53:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803300853l6b21cdb3jb5acfd1721b36827@mail.gmail.com> In the latest edition of SOVREN's "Vintage Drift" our local vintage race orgs magazine there is a full page add from a business called RaceHouse Design. Lawren Duncan in Bend Oregon. WWW.racehousedesign.com Maybe they do consulting or idea selling also? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Ken Gano palm top < triumphs at consolidated.net> wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed it s time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Mar 30 09:31:56 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:31:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <000401c89283$8b655520$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Ken, You got some great advice, for sure. Not sure where Babcock is coming from giving a thumbs down on the lift, though! I doubt I would be enjoying racing nearly as much without mine. Bill must be in better shape than me to want to climb under cars. Must be all that stand up paddle boarding... :-) I went with the pre-engineered steel building, it was even made in your neck of the woods. Mine's a Morton. Was significantly cheaper than having a contractor build me a building. Here's what I learned about steel buildings. They have come a long way on design and asthetics. Don't dismiss the idea because you think they will be ugly. Don't skimp on roof insulation, it's loud when it rains! Pay attention to the slope of the roof, if/when the snow load slides off if is a pain to clean up. Radiant in-floor heat is worth every penny spent. In New England a hot water heater was not enough BTU's to heat my shop, I use an LP gas-fired wall mounted furnace. I only insulated and heat half of my 36X38 building. No reason to heat parts storage, IMHO. I scored store shelving from a closed store in a strip shopping center. Very strong, and the landlord was happy to have me remove it for free. Saved them the expense of having it trashed. Have fun! Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device -----Original Message----- From: Ken Gano Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 30 09:37:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:37:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... Message-ID: Amici... One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and remember it well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race scenes are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the period. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 10:21:17 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Funny you mention it. I just broke ground on my own 40'x30'x12' garagemahal this Friday. I spent a lot of time designing it and reading garagejournal. Here are my personal preferences: - insulated 6" thick concrete floor, 4,000 psi, with 10" footings beneath the lift posts. Use hard shake when the concrete is floated; this hardens the concrete (like nitriding) so that it will not chip or stain. Better then paint which is a maintenance item and needs to be redone like any paint. Includes floor drains. I am in New Mexico so it does not get cold enough for radiant heat. - don't know if Babcock is smoking Maui-waui, but a 2-post lift is a MUST. I've used them for years and just the simple expedient of raising the car 2 feet to work on the engine will have your back thanking you for years. I have ordered a Mohawk 10,000 lb lift, which is sufficient for the 3/4 ton Silverado. - I have ordered 2 insulated 12'x10' roll-up doors. Expensive as hell (each as much as the lift), but ordinary garage doors intrude too much into air space in the garage. - Doors face south, I have many windows on the northern wall. It is vital to have adequate flow-through insulation during the summer. - stick-built, insulated and stucco-finished walls are not much more expensive than a insulated steel building. I am working on a budget of $45/sq ft, and that is for the complete building, permits, electrical etc. - for lighting, I am using four 2'x4' skylights and eight T8 8' flourescent lights. T8 technology is instant start, zero flicker and work at sub-zero temperatures. 8' is a whole lot cheaper than 4'. - power is 200 amps, including 220V single phase line. I cannot ever see my self needing 3-phase. Wall plugs will be mounted at 4' off the ground. All my work benches have power-strips built-in. - you can pick up used pallet shelving damned cheap, and this is the best way to make lofts and heavy-duty storage. - I'll be running airline through the walls. I have a 2-stage 80 gallon compressor which does not bother me much (150K miles on a megaphoned Guzzi took care of my hearing) so it will stay inside with me, but I will build a closet for it. - We have more cooling days than heating days in NM, so I am using a pro-panel roof, in white. That will make it more pleasant during the summer. The only con is that I do not have any water or bathroom. The former is solved by a bucket, and the latter by the 120,000 acres of national forest on 3 sides of our property. I'll be posting pictures and a blog to garagejornal. I'll let you know the link when I have some more pics to show. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 30 11:29:35 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 30 12:11:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:11:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Welcome Back Mark Louck! (GT6R Le Mans Replica) Message-ID: Mark Bradakis, please reinstate Mark Louck after being gone for a couple of years. Mark Louck openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net Mark is from Rochester, NY and is going to join us for the Kastner Cup event at the Glen. Mark is only 86 Miles away from the Glen and offers up his fab shop for emergency repairs or secure storage. His GT6 is ready to go and he plans to chase the FAST and THE FASTER up front. Welcome Mark Back! Joe A From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 30 14:50:07 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:50:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 30 18:30:53 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Mar 30 18:59:02 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:59:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm sure the one-liners will peel off from this... Message-ID: <47F04566.9040306@dfn.com> ... as easily as strips of rubber from an overheated tire: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3649197.ece I wonder if Mr. Mosley will say that he was just doing private research on the best instrument for measuring in-tank fuel temperature? :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 31 05:43:42 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:43:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> References: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <000601c8932c$db272940$6e01a8c0@richardiipc> Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire toilet floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tarch at bellsouth.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 06:55:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:55:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/30/2008 3:50:21 PM Central Standard Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is > finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the > lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. > Another added option to fixed light fixtures is 'task lighting'. Not very expensive. Various options available a Construction Tool suppliers. AND it is easy to take it along to the track. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 07:41:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, tarch at bellsouth.net writes: > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > toilet > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to get it out. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 09:09:17 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now your making the assumption that it was IN in the first place. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 -0400> To: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] return of garagemahal> > In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, > tarch at bellsouth.net writes:> > > > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > > toilet> > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall> > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands.> > > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to > get it out.> > Bill (Damdinger)> > > > > > **************> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home.> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&> ncid=aolhom00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Mar 31 09:26:52 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Return of the Garage Mahal Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46411E22FAD@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see a lot of ideas but mine is a little different, my second garage, this one is 24 by 32 only because of the home owners ass., the walls are 14 feet tall and the gauge door is 13ft tall and 12 feet wide, high enough for a car lift if I decide to get one, at the rear I have a balcony across (24") and 8 feet out, this gives me more store space ,it also gives me an " office area with computer and other office stuff, since I fish a lot I have a tackle table there plus sink and small fridge for beer, there is railing, drink holders, and bar chairs overlooking the garage floor, also room for a foosball table that is going up there, under this is a room that is 8 by 10 that I have enclosed as a clean room for building engine stuff, has two French doors so I can see in or out, two overhead lights and a swivel light with magnifier, attached to the balcony edge are two industrial swivel fans, three speed, moves a lot of air, we really don't need that much heat in lower N.C., with the high ceilings though it stays fairly cool in the summer, I have four normal size windows two on each side and a regular door so you don't have to raise the big door, I have two sinks in the lower part, one for parts and one for other stuff (wife),I have cabinets down one side with benches and pegboard and the other side is overhead cabinets, believe it or not I can get my 22ft grady in the shop with trailer and my two triumphs during a hurricane, for lights I have four 8 ft double fluor. and track light though out with four foot flour. over the benches and sinks, ran my own electrical with wire large enough to put in a full heating and air if I ever needed it, the smartest thing I did was to build a 10 by 12 pitched roof which created me a room above everything else 32 by 12 which will be a man room/ apartment,shower/stove etc. by June I hope, will have a 10 by 12 deck out the back with stair wrapping around to the ground so from the house I can see what goes up and down, there is a full stereo system with four Bose speakers an TV overhead to watch the races. It took a lot of thought to make this happen and built it all myself, at this point I would be surprised if I had much over 10 thou in it. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 09:41:38 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is great for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room for little more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an electric winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 10:12:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:12:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> I occasionally refer to my wife as "She Who Must Be Obeyed" as well. Good to find another Rumpole fan. I'm not making any incriminating admissions about the Maui wowie (which we refer to locally as Pakalolo. or just Buds, braddah). But the lift or no lift question is mostly one of how you use your shop. I tend to work on several cars for a while, so having one on a lift means an immobile car in the way. Instead I built three rolling stands that hold the cars two feet in the air very securely and can be rolled around anywhere in the shop. I can get under them easily if necessary and I can work on everything at a comfortable height. I can also push three cars sideways off to a corner for cleanup or doing a large project. works for me. the lift was just in the way. I bought my lift (a very nice two post with all the toys) from a guy who installed it and found it to be a hassle. i sold it to a guy who installed it and found it a hassle. He sold it on. Might be still out there, going from garage to garage. You can see the stands, and the lack of a lift, and the fact that my shop needs a good cleaning at http://www.allaluminumtour.com/ On Mar 31, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use > gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is > great > for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room > for little > more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an > electric > winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Ken Gano palm top > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car > attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace > for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs > to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs > will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean > sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: > 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 11:19:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip welded across each end to retain the frame rails. all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two stand setups) On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > "pad" that the frame rails set on? > > It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > > Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 31 11:29:10 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e201c8935d$1fdeb5f0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I can chime in some on this subject...I designed my garage about 8 years ago and as my subdivision's chairman of the architectural control committee, I only had to present a preliminary plan to get my 6 car garage approved by saying it's a hobby shop and a three car garage. It's 35 X 50 with a gabled shaped mezzanine for parts storage. I used double 8 foot tube fluorescents end to end the entire length of the garage in about 4 rows. This gives good general light, but I still used two drop "trouble" lights on spring rewind power cords using compact fluorescents bulbs that are located at each end of the lift. The 8 foot tubes give a good view (using the reflections) when polishing or waxing any car, not to mention sanding prep for a new paint job. If I had it to do again I'd be sure to use 4' tubes with solid state ballasts, because I had to install a good stereo to cover-up all the ballasts' buzzing. The 220 lift is wired from the ceiling like the re-coil trouble lights. I used plug mold on all the work bench fronts that surround the car lift area except for the rolling tool boxes. Down in Houston, a shop is no good unless it is air conditioned, so when my 5-ton home unit went out, I saved it and had the bad coil replaced and put it on the top of my rest room and fed the duct work around the perimeter of the garage up high using fresh air intake from a roof mushroom. Works great. I can knock it down from a 100 degrees to 75 on a summer day in about 15 minutes. With open shelving around all sides except for the 18' door you can stand in just about one spot and see everything. I recommend that all large tools such as table saws, drill presses, vacuums, small air compressors and the like, be on wheels if at all possible. One sure fact will always remain true...No matter how big you make your garage, it will be too small after about year....so just get used to it. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:50 PM To: Mark J Bradakis; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 31 14:38:34 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:38:34 +1100 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Amici I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > stand setups) > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? >> >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. >> >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Mar 31 02:35:01 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:35:01 +1100 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff (et all) I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Amici > > I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys > come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one > operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and > find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can > work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have > to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > > stand setups) > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? > >> > >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > >> > >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > >> > >> regards, > >> rml > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Mar 31 19:05:32 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few > days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic > end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and > remember it > well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava > Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for > dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race > scenes > are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic > license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the > period. > > Bill Dentinger Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. tom http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 19:13:52 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... References: Message-ID: <01e501c8939e$0858c3d0$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Bill..I forgot that there was any car stuff in there! Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21...Woohooo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] On the Beach... > on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past >> few >> days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic >> end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and >> remember it >> well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal >> favorite...Ava >> Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for >> dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road >> race >> scenes >> are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic >> license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from >> the >> period. >> >> Bill Dentinger > > Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. > > tom > > http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm > > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dkettler at powercom.net Mon Mar 31 20:07:00 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <00c701c893a5$749778f0$5c1172d8@David> Ken: A number of years ago I built a 28'x60' shop. I insulated and heat about 1/2 and the rest is storage. I have a sliding door on the inside between the two sections so I can move things in and out depending on what I'm working on. I used the hardware that's used for sliding barn doors. I heat it with a natural gas unit heater and it heats in no time. I have to admit the hot water in the floor would be a lot better than cold concrete, but I don't use the shop every day, just turn on the heat when I need it. I insulated under the concrete before I poured it and also put in a grade beam of concrete around the perimeter which helps keep things stable. I also put some block on top of the slab so I can wash things out when needed. I don't have a floor drain so everything is pitched toward the overhead door. I should have pitched the floor a little in the corners by the overhead door, now the water tends to collect in these corners. I drywalled the walls and ceiling except for the first 4 feet off the floor which is prefinished white metal siding. This prevents me from putting a hole in the drywall with a jack handle. It would be pretty easy to replace one of these panels if it were dented, etc. I just installed some T8 fluorescent lights and they have improved the lighting from the old fluorescents I used to have. One thing you may want to consider is putting in doors on both ends/sides so you have an escape in the event of fire, etc. Yes, I too which it could have been bigger! Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dkettler at powercom.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 31 22:11:20 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080401041107.OYYC22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the > floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Can't speak for others, but I've got this really cool high-lift floor jack that the previous owner of my house left behind when they moved out, because it leaked. Lifts from about 3" (which will just get under my lowered TR3A if I pull up on the front bumper at the same time) to about 24". All it needed to stop the leaks were some packing rings in the pump; and some new bolts fixed the loose handle. Randall From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 06:38:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel bolt Torque settings Message-ID: <000e01c87ba1$8dc3ce30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm re-assembling a GT6 engine, and am about to bolt on the flywheel using ARP hardware. I'm puzzled at what seem to be low torque settings in the factory manual of 42-46 lb, versus 58-60 for the bearing cap studs and 65-70 for the head studs, all of which are the same 7/16" x 20 thread size. Is this a function of bolts versus studs? If so, why haven't we gone to short studs for this highly vibration prone location? I would think the main bearing cap torque, where there is no gasket to compress, would be similar. Lastly, should I use thread locker or grease? My inclination is to use thread locker on these bolts which do not have any washers. From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:35:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:35:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <9567D270-5C8F-4875-A378-F8043143C5FC@xsmail.com> Originally FP raced by Bill Davis in the North east (limerock, pocono, glen) 1978- 1979 then was in the Marrs series 1980, Bill Davis still the driver. He started racing it in nationals in 1980 in the NE. Sue davis started racing it the same year. THe pair kept racing in NE events in 81-84. Car was transferred to W David Bailey early 1985. Car was idle 1985-1987, then started racing again in the MARRS series in 1988, 1989, 1990, and in 1990 was in the runoffs. Care was idle 1991 and 1992, and then was back out in the MARRS/NE 1993 and went to the 1993, 94 runoffs. Car was raced in the NE in 1995 and 96, but didn't go to the runoffs, and was idle 1997-1999 when it was transferred to larry tippett in south carolina. larry raced it in the SE region, at CMP, Atlanta, VIR, in 99, 2000-02, idle 03, 04, raced 05, idle 06 and I got in 07. Most of the racing parts I have, are labeled with either Davis or Bailey, so one of the two were doing the crank work, and I suspect Bailey, since he was doing runoffs... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 1 12:12:28 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Greetings FoT ! Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? Appreciate the group! Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:44:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:44:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <011601c87be5$72d7c650$0202a8c0@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Thanks Racer Bud! Ill give Scott a call Monday.......If you or your FOT folks make it to final Frontier (Alaska), look us up. I know all the fishing spots. Mike Mercier GT6+ 907 688-3766 RACER BUD wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: TeamTri at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] PARTS WANTED I have both new and used GT6 vertical links. If you still need one contact me at Team Triumph on Monday at 330-392-7176. Thanks, Scott Harper ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 6:32 PM From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 22:07:29 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted Message-ID: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. "hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you help? Cheers Mel melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 1 23:14:37 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:14:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted In-Reply-To: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080302061453.921F4187645@autox.team.net> Hmmm. What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that? :) - Tony At 11:07 PM 3/1/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 >or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. >"hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th >birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came >along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you >help? >Cheers Mel >melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:14:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> References: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803020814g43e9fe38gb725de897fdf7485@mail.gmail.com> If you go the limited slip route I suggest another $300 or so for the Tran-X Salisbury type is a better option. Ken Gillanders has at least one available. [Britsih Frame and Engines]. On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive > differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the > stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run > its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we > run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the > current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From Robertten1 at aol.com Sun Mar 2 09:17:13 2008 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:17:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: Amici - Let me chime in about this subject. Pick up any copy of the British car mags available and you will be floored at the asking prices of our beloved Triumphs. Once you calculate the dollar/pound exchange rate the sale prices at the auto auctions here is not far off the mark. Luckily the Spitfires have not jumped up in value but the big TRs in restored condition are sadly becoming too valuable to drive on the street. Sad because our cars are meant to be enjoyed driving not collecting dust in our garage. My $.02, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 2 14:07:11 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:07:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 investment? Locked versus Quaffe? Bobby Whitehead From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 2 14:48:30 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:48:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> References: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Message-ID: <20080302214847.68932187870@autox.team.net> A Quaiffe should give better turn in, but it requires both rear tires to stay on the ground. If you really unload the inside rear, it will spin up. You can set the car up so the inside stays on the ground, but you need to factor that into your setup. Should be easier with IRS than with the solid axle TR-4 that I've had experience with. - Tony D At 03:07 PM 3/2/2008, igofaster at charter.net wrote: >Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 >investment? > >Locked versus Quaffe? > >Bobby Whitehead >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 21:04:04 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: <003c01c87ce3$9f14f3b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 2 20:29:37 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:29:37 EST Subject: [Fot] The British Connection StandardPerformance Message-ID: FoT, Does anyone know Bennett French in Hendersonville, North Carolina? Thanks! Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 2 21:28:47 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:28:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: Yes I have and not had any problems. Actually the bushings aren't available for a TR6, so you buy the even and odd rockers complete. The shafts I've used on several applications without problems, MGB, Austin And Triumph. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:59 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Mar 2 23:02:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:02:03 EST Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential Message-ID: In a message dated 3/2/2008 11:00:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 > From: > Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root at fepweb03> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I > believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? > My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which > does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as > long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current > 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 Bobby, The GT6 differential ratios are 3.89:1 or 3.27:1, but you are probably referring to the alternative 3.63:1 ratio, not usually found on U.S. market cars, but normally on U.K. market Spitfire 1500's. There is no 3.73: 1 ratio differential. The Salisbury LSD is probably a better bet on the race cars than the Quaif, but the Quaif is better as a road car differential. Regards Leon From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 3 08:11:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Hi guys and gals, Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of interested racers. BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract 20 or more Triumph powered cars. The schedule is looking like this. Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, then a 18 lap race. Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group race, 20 laps! Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality center to hang out at. We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers to expect from us. Thanks gang. Henry Frye From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 08:35:30 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c87d44$36af10b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Count me in. Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 14:55:07 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) Message-ID: <025301c87d79$3f5fb1d0$0202a8c0@Bud> from craigs list San francisco bay area(east bay) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJohn at bart.gov To: BUDSCARS at COMCAST.NET Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:25 AM Subject: Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) ----- Forwarded by Bruce D John/MET/Oak/BART on 03/03/2008 07:25 AM ----- bjohn at bart.gov 03/03/2008 07:16 AM To bjohn at bart.gov cc Subject Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) bjohn at bart.gov has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks Reply to: sale-592223752 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-03-01, 10:25AM Complete front suspension with A arms , spindles,spax shocks,calipers,hubs, ect 20$ for the set 510-706-0169 a.. it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/592223752.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/vpmYA5GayFmYn5CdAY3bN ------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:08:48 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers on this one? -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 3 15:18:37 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:18:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2aa701c87d7c$86d9b350$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a > Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy > duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm > value? AFAIK, all the Crane CD ignitions require a ballast type coil be used without the ballast. Certainly my XR3000 does. The ignition box limits the current, so no ballast is needed. Randall From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:35:05 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:35:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031435g4ecea9bbye57b00cc0322c9f3@mail.gmail.com> So, I read the coil instructions -- no ballast required. Sorry, should have started there On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers > on this one? > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -- Chuck Arnold From igofaster at charter.net Mon Mar 3 17:33:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080303193303.DZNRE.89152.root@fepweb03> Bennett French is on eBay with performance items related to the Triumphs... BTW I've paid him 50% deposit on a composite leaf spring for a GT6 on eBay. He stated the delivery time was 2-3 weeks out... it's been over 4 weeks. He communicated (at my prodding) that the first group that came in didn't meet his satisfaction... I'm not having a concern.. YET... Bobby Whitehead From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 3 17:35:52 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Henry and others WPTA might be talked into something. Most of our members will be focused on the PVGP WPTA British Car Day event the following Saturday but there are a few of us who can scare up a tent and some Hospitality. After all it is in our backyard. Keep me in the loop and I'll see what interest I can develop. We of course are committed to the Watkins Glen weekend in September. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 20:24:25 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 In-Reply-To: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I plan on being there also. I am not sure if I will spend the night Saturday or drive home to Ohio and come back in the morning. I also plan on doing the autox so I am not sure yet of the time I will be available but if there is some way I can help out I sure will. Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 06:20:30 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear spring Message-ID: <126270.64742.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See the following section of the competition manual on converting a regular spitfire spring to a competition spring. Does anyone understand this? What does it mean to "reverse clips on the leaf"? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of competitionspring.bmp] From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 06:40:22 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:40:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site www.chequeredflagracing.com Thanks Joe Siam From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 07:38:53 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:38:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spit spring Message-ID: <132901.31032.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The lost attachment to my earlier message says: "remove the spring... and remove the clips which bind the spring leaves together. Counting the main leaf as number one, reverse the clips on the leaf. This will involve reversing the clips on the leaf and grinding flush the convex dimple locatin the rubber buttons on at the ends of the leaf...." What soes this mean? I have studdied a stock spring and do not understand the directors. Dale Oesterle From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 07:55:25 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA Message-ID: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> I am targeting a regional double at the end of march in south Carolina, and would like to get the car out for a test/tune day. I can't find a specific TT event, so if someone is aware of one in the northeast, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue Mar 4 08:03:25 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (JRH) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:03:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles References: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009a01c87e08$e5fa3f80$7fafe246@gcllawyers.local> Joe Siam wrote: > . . . I have more parts available More info is on my web site > > www.chequeredflagracing.com OK, but when I go to that website I get this message: The website declined to show this webpage Most likely causes: a.. This website requires you to log in b.. This error (HTTP 403 Forbidden) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but it does not have permission to view the webpage. JR Hill From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 08:47:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> Message-ID: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 09:41:39 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <18599027.1204648899985.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All sorry here is the correct address. >Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site > >www.chequeredflagracing.net > >Thanks Joe Siam From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 4 10:28:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subscription management Message-ID: <47CD86BA.4070802@bradakis.com> A couple of folks have asked about putting their email on vacation hold, so to speak. With Mailman, it is pretty easy to do. You should have just recently gotten a message from Team.Net listing your subscriptions and passwords for the various lists to which you subscribe. Click on the link listed in that message for the appropriate list, and log in using your password. Scroll down that page to the set of options. The top one listed is called 'Mail Delivery' with two choices - enabled and disabled. When enabled is set, you get mail from the list. If you set disabled, you won't get mail from the list, but you will still be subscribed. When you are back at your desk or whatever, you can repeat the procedure to enable mail delivery once again. I've mentioned this before as I recall, but this capability has another use. If you routinely send mail from different addresses, such as mjb at autox.team.net and mark at bradakis.com you can subscribe both addresses to the list, so that mail you send from either one will not be held as non-subscriber posts. And to avoid getting copies of each message sent to both addresses, you can disable mail delivery to one and enable the other. Hope this helps. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:30:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803041030m339b8899j9b59c643b249d449@mail.gmail.com> I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. So -- does anyone 1. Have one they could sell/loan 2. Know of any supplier who might have it on hand? 3. Know another email list to query? Help, help!! -- Chuck Arnold From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 16:27:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <450881A4-5D10-4C37-B1D4-57C8D052B57D@mac.com> Sorry, I saw this, but their first one is April, and I'm looking for March. Anyone know of one at Summit/VIR/BeaveRun/Pocono coming up soon? Anyone got a big open parking lot I can use in the Philly/SE PA area? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 16:39:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:39:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: Chuck, I would advise against the Unilite - they are a bigger piece of junk than the Lucas. I've had 2, and had to junk both. The advance mechanism allows the timing to move all over the place. The dual point system is good. I use one with my MSD but had to disable the second set of points. Shane Ingate in NM ---------------------------------------- I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 4 17:23:02 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (dodo at texas.net) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:23:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire MK1 1147 exhaust manifold Message-ID: <1204676582.47cde7e64f4da@webmail.texas.net> Does anybody have an 1147 exhaust manifold they want to sell? I removed the one on my AutoX car today to find that it has some serious corrosion issues. Thanx! Robert MacKenzie From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 18:56:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:56:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Interesting point of information. How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the "proper" identification of each. Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the states? Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cook" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > Hi- > > Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > to > correct it. > > A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > called a > TR4 Hardtop. > > The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > used > to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > top > won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > Surrey > Top was an extra. > > This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > car > was named and marketed. > > There, that's off my chest! > > Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > To: > N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > Re: > [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > 1963 > TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > in > 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > sure I > remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > story > other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > TR3A > and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > $30,000 > range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > likely > not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, > although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > and > thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > Get > tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as > mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 4 19:45:54 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Message-ID: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Yes, it was an option for the TR250. Bill Sohl wrote: > Interesting point of information. > > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > "proper" identification of each. > > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > states? > > Cheers, > > Bill Sohl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael cook" > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > > > >> Hi- >> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled >> to >> correct it. >> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly >> called a >> TR4 Hardtop. >> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was >> used >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel >> top >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The >> Surrey >> Top was an extra. >> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the >> car >> was named and marketed. >> >> There, that's off my chest! >> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> >> To: >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: >> Re: >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the >> 1963 >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back >> in >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make >> sure I >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real >> story >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and >> TR3A >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the >> $30,000 >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are >> likely >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, >> and >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! >> Get >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as >> mlcooknj at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Mar 4 20:29:46 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Cheers! The hardtop may have been optional on the TR-250 but I don't remember ever seeing one at the time. It would be useful to do a story in TVT but I may have to look hard to find a picture of the Surrey top installed. Mike> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500> From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> To: billsohl at optonline.net> CC: mlcooknj at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top> > Yes, it was an option for the TR250.> > Bill Sohl wrote:> > Interesting point of information.> >> > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > > "proper" identification of each.> >> > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > > states?> >> > Cheers,> >> > Bill Sohl> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael cook" > > To: ; ; ; > > > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop> >> >> > > >> Hi-> >>> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > >> to> >> correct it.> >>> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > >> called a> >> TR4 Hardtop.> >>> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > >> used> >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > >> top> >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > >> Surrey> >> Top was an extra.> >>> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > >> car> >> was named and marketed.> >>> >> There, that's off my chest!> >>> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > >> To:> >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > >> Re:> >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > >> 1963> >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > >> in> >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > >> sure I> >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > >> story> >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > >> TR3A> >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > >> $30,000> >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > >> likely> >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value,> >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > >> and> >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > >> Get> >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance.> >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)>> >> _______________________________________________>> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net>> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as> >> mlcooknj at msn.com> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >>> >> Fot mailing list> >> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >>> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net > >> > > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >> > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> >> > From trhouse at greenapple.com Wed Mar 5 06:51:33 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 07:07:41 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Marlboro Reunion Car Show - Call for vintage race cars Message-ID: <194484.33231.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, The SCCA Washington D.C. region last year started a program of documenting a large collection of photos, programs and literature dealing with Marlboro Speedway. This collection was generously donated by region member. Marlboro Speedway was located in Upper Marlboro and was the local track of the D.C. region for many years before Summit Point was built. The second documentation / reunion meeting, which is closed to the public, will take place on Sunday July 13th. However, there will be a free open to the public car show on Saturday the 12th at Surreybrooke Gardens in Fredrick Maryland. Steve Lloyd is the DC region historian and the person in charge of the car show. Steve is looking for vintage race cars to attend the show. I think Steve is also planning some sort of Marlboro presentation for the car show as well. So if there are any FOTers that would like to show off their TR in front of the public give Steve an email at wdcrhistory at comcast.net. The car show will be announced in the D.C. region's newsletter and web site. I know that there will be a group of past TR racers showing up that weekend. If any of you have read about "The Manor Boys" in Kas' latest book, come out and meet them in person. I know that at least three of them will be there. I am sure there will be a gathering of some sorts Saturday evening. I am planning to be there the whole weekend. For those who don't know, my Dad was the track announcer at Marlboro for my years in the early and mid '60s. Thumbs Up! Steve Benford Jr. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 5 07:14:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: References: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CCD33F4@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> If you search the internet you can find some interesting things out about this topic. There are now adjustable valves to replace the standard valves and ther are articles about shimming the springs to increase rate while tightening up the valve spring. I have pulled apart a competition set I have and I found some blue springs in place of the bronze colored ones in a standard shock. The oil recommendations vary as well. Google away. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Householder Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:52 AM To: Mike Cook; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net; rene at garrebeek.de Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Mar 5 09:25:42 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:25:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers References: Message-ID: <004301c87edd$8f27c6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Tom / Rene The guy to talk to on this is Derek at Stevson Motors in Birmingham - he is the authority on classic shocks as far as im aware. He has done all my twin valve and adjustable DAS9's and my adjustable DAS10's, with bump and rebound settings to match the weight of my car etc. no. of leafs in my rear springs etc. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: "Mike Cook" ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers > Can any one answer this question?? > > > Rene, > The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. > road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't > answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . > I > suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they > have > any input.. > > Tom > ---------- > From: Rene Garrebeek > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 > To: Tom Householder > Subject: rear dampers > > Hi Tom, > > U R G E N T > > Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the > biggest european oldtimer mag. > He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling > shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there > are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. > He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- > morrow... > Thank's if you can help > Reni > .+... Reni Garrebeek > ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 > ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 > ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de > .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4.tony at virgin.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Wed Mar 5 09:25:18 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:25:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx Any problems in doing this?? What parts are different?? Thanks in advance for any information Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 12:23:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:23:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > > Any problems in doing this?? Nothing insurmountable. The 4-synchro box is about 3/8" longer, so he'll need to elongate the holes in the rear crossmember to move the rear mount. For a TR3 (& TR3A to TS50000), he'll also need to modify the tunnel slightly, to clear the larger starter bulge (later 3A/B already have this change). Depending on the vintage of his new gearbox, he may need longer studs in the back of the engine (as the flange got thicker during the TR6 run), also longer bolts for the rest of the joint. Some advise changing the input shaft to the slightly longer TR3 version, but I found that the TR3 input shaft will not mesh with later TR6 gearsets; and the TR6 input shaft works fine for me. If he's keeping the TR3 clutch, it's probably worthwhile to change the gearbox front cover to the slightly longer TR3 version (and of course use the TOB that matches the clutch). The all synchro boxes lack the dipstick/filler found on the early ones, but it is possible to rebuild an early cover with the later forks & shafts to keep the dipstick (if he chooses, otherwise the fill plug on the side will work). If he keeps the later top cover, it may need to be drilled to accept the through-bolt for mounting the TR3 gearshift (of course, keeping the later gearshift is another option). If it's a late TR6 box (after approx 73), the speedo drive gear will be wrong. I don't know if the TR3 gear can be used or not, but maybe. Personally, I like the wide brass bushings that the TR3 used to carry the clutch cross shaft, so I replaced the narrow TR6 bushings. But that's purely optional. HTH Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 12:58:31 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Coffey, Jack A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx.... ==AM== Gee, doesn't ANYONE know how to double-clutch any more? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 13:05:47 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods From twakeman at razzolink.com Wed Mar 5 13:07:37 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47CEFD89.3080500@razzolink.com> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > Any problems in doing this?? My post TS-6000 has a TR4 overdrive gearbox. About all I recall doing is elongating the rear mounting holes and using the TR3 shift leaver in the TR4 gearbox. You will need the next length longer bolts at the bottom of the bell housing because the lip on the TR4 transmission is wider then on the TR3 transmission. This will also require you to readjust the clutch slave cylinder rod. I've no experience with the TR6 box. The gearbox mounts are farther to the rear than the TR4's mounts. You would need to bend down the flange on the TR3's cross member and drill new holes. Teriann From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 5 13:33:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? Message-ID: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. http://www.snotr.com/video/568 Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Mar 5 13:53:15 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:53:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <050501c87f02$efe518d0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Look at it this way, Don. We Brits are stuck on an island with rather too many people, the weather's usually lousy, the quality of food and service in expensive restaurants not much better, the beer's often served too cold - and we're taxed into oblivion. Ya gotta do something to keep yourself entertained! Actually, it's not a wholly British aircraft but the fruit of a European consortium :) Jonmac > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 14:31:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <002a01c87f08$54a6c2a0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How bought for the fuel or is this just a fancy editing job? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 5 15:10:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <003e01c87f0d$ae0dc6e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wasn't that on an episode of "Top Gear"? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 15:27:18 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:27:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? In my case, it was because the flimsy early bellhousing broke, and the later ones are considerably beefier. Thicker flange, plus more reinforcing ribs. Same casting used behind the Stag V8 (although there were some internal differences). IMO, many of the problems reported against the later gearboxes come down to improper installation. Both of my Stags came to me missing the important (IMO) dowel-bolts that locate the gearbox to the engine; and conversations with TR6 owners seem to indicate that few recognize the importance of the dowels. Rimmer Bros even sells ordinary bolts (with the customary undersize shanks) as substitutes. The resulting misalignment between gearbox and engine overloads the bearing and leads to early failure. At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in class at a VTR autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 16:46:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080305234654.EPCG20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Randall wrote : > At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in > class at a VTR > autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Uh, that was supposed to be TR6 _box_. It's actually in a TR3A, behind a relatively stock TR3A motor. Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:08:36 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup of tea so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used goodies for sale. 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in black. 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints 1 G-Force Gear Bag All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please contact me. It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. Bill of Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech Inspection. Car ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida Motorsports (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of experience racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor was built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget racing. It was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR authenticity points, except it currently does not have an alternator. Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is a top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. That used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty races at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the 50th Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression and makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so it is no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:14:07 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:14:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 Message-ID: Because the original message was too long the following are some of the specs on the car. Please contact me for more details or pictures. One nicely prepared 72 MG Midget It comes equipped with: Safety: Ishida/Pinnacle roll cage, including under-scuttle hoop and door bars. Built-in fire suppression system with nozzles in cockpit and engine bay. Professionally installed Fuel Safe 5 gallon fuel cell. Kirkey seat bolted to the cage. Will accommodate a fairly tall/large driver. Stainless steel brake lines and oil lines. Simpson belts with about 2 years life left. Forged front spindles. Suspension: Shimmed shocks and offset trunnion bushings for about 2 degrees negative camber. Double bearing hubs. Competition axles from Winners Circle. Front sway bar from Winners Circle with well-reinforced mounts. Rear adjustable sway bar from Winners Circle. Panhard bar. Urethane bushings throughout. Removable steering wheel. 450 lb. front springs. 1/2" lowered spring pans. 2" lowered rear springs. KN Minator wheels. Yokohama A032S tires, used, but with a few good races left in them. Engine and transmission: Legal 1275 motor bored .040 over. 1.5 ratio rockers. Rimflo valves. Winner's Circle sump. Lightened flywheel. 1 1/4" carbs. LCB header and custom side exhaust. EGT gauge and sensor setup. O2 Sensor system (not installed). Patented Littlefield quick-release radiator system. Pertronix ignition and Lucas Sport Coil. Magnecor wires. New Borg & Beck clutch and throwout bearing. Gear reduction starter (with Littlefield reliability mod). Quick release clutch slave cylinder. Electronic fuel pump and billet filter. 3/8" fuel line. Engine stabilizer. Stock transmission with reverse lock-out. Half a dozen or so races on rebuild. 3.9 rear end Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 Trades might be considered. Also has a VERY nice 79 MGB for sale. Orange or Vermilion as the British called it. Let me know if you have interest in that. It has just been freshly completed and ready for the season. Price on the MGB is $13500. High I know but you need to see what all it has. Trust me there has been a LOT more spent on the car. Cheers, Gary Fuqua **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Mar 6 05:52:33 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 Message-ID: I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can get by the cheese. Paul NFI http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 06:39:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:39:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if > you can get by the cheese. Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 6 07:45:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:45:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DAB8FE6-688F-47DA-B97E-45F18CB140E0@bnj.com> gaak. the guy should just keep it--and sleep with it. On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can > get by > the cheese. > > Paul > NFI > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p > hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 6 08:33:01 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Randall wrote: >> I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if >> you can get by the cheese. > > Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. > Randall regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:19:25 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <8CA4DBCFA864F3A-904-1818@webmail-de02.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. ==AM== I agree, Bob. There's also a pretty nice '59 TR3A on eBay right now, in BRG. It's restored (maybe a bit overrestored?), and some aspects of the car SCREAM restored as opposed to original. One obvious (to me) example is the repro grille on the green car, which looks fine until you compare it to an original and see that the repro has the narrower slots. I'd take that grey car any day over the green one...unless I could only have one AND wanted to drive the heck out of whichever one I bought. (I could not bring myself to do that to the grey car!) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:43:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <003901c87fa9$448b7590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> The car in Richmond was red-ish and from Rhode Island I think... http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2004/2004vtr-cwn/ Scroll to the last photos to see the cacoon... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 10:30:10 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 6 10:49:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:49:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <200803061049993.SM03332@[166.70.182.40]> Marty, I'm with you on this.B Its so easy to hit the delete button if I'm not interested. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "marty sukey" Sent 3/6/2008 10:30:10 AM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net, tedtsimx at bright.net, healeys at autox.team.net, shop at justbrits.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for SaleGary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 6 11:06:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: Message-ID: <007201c87fb4$de5df700$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Me Too. As long as it is an individual doing the posting and not a commercial venture, it is more of a service than a hinderance. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome > this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an > interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed > in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete > key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. > > Marty > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 11:29:13 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] [6pack] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306182913.YOV24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Gary and everyone else, please put me on your list to notify > any time you have parts for sale. While I had no problem with Gary's posts (which I would not classify as "commercial"); I would like to point out that there IS a Team.Net list specifically for such things. It's called 'autojumble', and oddly enough is one of the few lists I'm subscribed to that Gary didn't hit Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 13:07:51 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:07:51 EST Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Corey, this was a posting for a friend that wants to recoup some of his investment. I have NO financial interest in this. Classic Sports Cars is just the way my sign off goes out. Besides, there are plenty of people who know me personally from that. This is the ONE and ONLY posting of this nature I have made. I am NOT running my business through the 6-Pack list. This was NOT a commercial posting and you know it. So, with all due respect. Chill out. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 16:17:29 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac From britbits at tiu.net Thu Mar 6 16:37:00 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <005301c87fe2$fab37320$f5e435cf@jrg> John, If you were offering "over the door cup holders to match the color of your car"..(hmmm, could I get one with rust holes? ;) then I'd order you to wear the scarlet "C" on your chest. The charity drive is an admirable cause and is exempt (in my opinion) of the commercialism charge... although I guess I'd prefer that any "profits" from the book of the experience also somehow go to charity. Or maybe to setting up another charity drive? Just to keep the karma intact. >From the comments it sounds like someone beat up Gary on his listing of a race car and driving apparel today on one of the Triumph lists. As others have said.. the delete key still works and it's not like we're seeing 10 messages a day from a list member hawking bits and pieces. I've tried.. but the darn SPAM filter Mark B runs keeps killing my posts. Oh well, I'll stick to posting ads on VTR. ;) So from someone who was not "active" when the cars were being built but loves to find out the "why" on the things the factory did... keep on posting. Or add me to your private listing for updates on books, etc. Cheers, Jim Dallas "now back to lurk mode" britbits at tiu.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:17 PM To: marty sukey Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; gsfuqua1 at aol.com; 6pack at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at tiu.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 6 17:24:45 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it was his cup, or not. It does put materials into circulation, though. Bill On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup > of tea > so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used > goodies for > sale. > > 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in > black. > 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue > 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) > 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava > 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks > 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) > 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) > 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) > 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints > 1 G-Force Gear Bag > > All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! > > We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget > > For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please > contact me. > It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. > Bill of > Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech > Inspection. Car > ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. > > > This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida > Motorsports > (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of > experience > racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor > was > built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget > racing. It > was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR > authenticity points, except it currently does not have an > alternator. > Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is > a > top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. > That > used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has > gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty > races > at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the > 50th > Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. > > The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression > and > makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so > it is > no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. > > > Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable > offers. > Reasonable being the key word. > > I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ > (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From jibjib at att.net Thu Mar 6 17:33:13 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:33:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com><8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 6 17:53:37 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 18:41:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:41:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us did our own mechanical work Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting > into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually > learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and > resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. > > At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>was his cup, or not. >>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 19:22:06 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <006e01c87ffa$0a6b87f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I read Hemmings for entertainment, not because I'm a buyer mostly. Stuff for sale here comes under the same category if posted by members in my view. Those of you who are FOT and in the business commercially often have invaluable advice and knowledge, even if you may have a financial interest in sharing it. I am absolutely ok with that. If it gets out of hand it's clear we'll let the offending party know or boycott them as a seller. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "marty sukey" Cc: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale > Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically > 'mis-used' the lists for > the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so > many people kindly > ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further > thought occurs. As many > know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next > year in a Stag and there's > a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much > money as I can for three > charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than > writing another book about > the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k > out of the trip and many on > the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the > trip itself. > If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' > in which there is a > prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates > off these lists and only > notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on > the website. > I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should > proceed from now onwards. I also > apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 7 06:36:29 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:36:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CD5D122@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance concerns. There are a lot of reasons why someone would change their mind about becoming a racer. Getting fender to fender, three or four (or more) wide, at the end of the front NASCAR straight at TWS, whichs drops you over the apron onto the road course is a pretty good place to judge whether this is something you want to do. If you get to do it in the rain you will know for sure! At our last two CVAR events we had a solo wreck/roll-over (both big Healeys) totalling out 2 very nice cars. I've been doing this for 12 years with CVAR and I can attest that it is extremely rare for a wreck such as this to happen in CVAR. It is much less than one per year on average. With 6 events and over 100 cars per event I think we have done fairly well. I wouldn't be surprised if seeing the results of one of those incidents wouldn't scare off a few potential racers. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 7 10:00:19 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:00:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: In a message dated 03/07/2008 7:36:53 AM Central Standard Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an > exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only > allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance > concerns. The VSCDA has 'similar' STG (Sports Touring Group) sessions at it's SPRING BRAKE event in early May at GINGERMAN. They also have a 'Driver's School' on Thursday night (class) and Friday (track). There is racing on Saturday and Sunday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cak at dimebank.com Fri Mar 7 10:38:48 2008 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? Message-ID: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 7 11:07:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <004901c8807e$144d3d20$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wilma borrowed Fred's car. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 7 11:49:37 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:49:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: All Spitfires come that way in the Midwest. On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 13:51:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Fri Mar 7 14:24:23 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:24:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8018EC3B0@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. BTW...I can double-clutch (learned to drive in a MGA) but my friend can't......:-) Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:29:33 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:29:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:42:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com><20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <007a01c8809c$1ae86330$d214c548@RW> I think the most expensive personal driver item in the 1960 era was a new Toptex helmet at about $95.00. No socks, shoes, underwear, driving suit, gloves etc, . None of it, and lap belts only. Admitted a $100 then is like 5or 6 now but still that investment or even borrowed got you in the game to see if this cup of tea fit you. Lots of guys got in for a single race and then decided "whoa, its was not for me". ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers > after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us > did our own mechanical work > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > > >> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting >> into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually >> learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and >> resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. >> >> At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>>was his cup, or not. >>>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>>Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 15:54:12 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks hot. Probably gets around VIR several seconds faster than me. Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From igofaster at charter.net Fri Mar 7 16:03:51 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 18:28:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <000401c880bb$ac953b40$b1191718@computer> I bought that '59 TR3A slightly used in 1962, first gear was definitely synchronized as my friend at the time had an MGA that definitely was not syncro. From that day forward, I have always thought that Triumph was that much ahead of MG but I guess it is entirely possible that somebody before me swapped out the tranny. Looking back, I'm glad they did. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 7 18:37:20 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 20:03:48 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face on Sunday night as you are loading up)! Call if you need any help - Ed senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 7 20:11:29 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From britbits at tiu.net Fri Mar 7 20:38:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:38:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 20:42:06 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:42:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera Message-ID: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 21:07:01 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Jim wrote: Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Mar 7 21:19:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I picked one of these up off Amazon.com for those reasons. I should be trying it out at the race I plan to run end of March at CMP, and will post the video... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 21:40:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:40:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: A friend of mine here in Maui uses one extensively for in-water video. they work well. You need a fully charged battery and at least a 2GB SD card to get good use out of them, but the price is definitely right. On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's > website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for > taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video > quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate > further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the > product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 21:50:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last year. But it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I should have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "William G Rosenbach" ; Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of > course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already > dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I > don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just > going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and > drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of > what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the > committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded > and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face > on Sunday night as you are loading up)! > Call if you need any help - Ed > > senbach at juno.com> wrote: > >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a > reliability improvement. > > Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will > eventually rather have you there, as not. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:26:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:26:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last > year. But > it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I > should > have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "William G Rosenbach" ; > > Cc: ; > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > > >> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as >> is. Of >> course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already >> dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the >> task. I >> don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is >> just >> going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out >> and >> drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have >> evidence of >> what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the >> committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were >> unfounded >> and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your >> face >> on Sunday night as you are loading up)! >> Call if you need any help - Ed >> >> senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>>> I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a >> reliability improvement. >> >> Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they >> will >> eventually rather have you there, as not. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:31:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or not, here's a retry: I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 23:06:41 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <014601c880e2$945c2490$d214c548@RW> > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:05:13 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:05:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47D248B9.1090404@bradakis.com> > wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or > not, here's a retry: > For some reason you had fot-request at autox.team.net in the recipient list of your message. The bounce was from Mailman not being able to figure out what sort of email admin request your message contained. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:07:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <47D24930.9080203@bradakis.com> What?? Are you trying to make some sort of statement about my stable of cars? Actually, the white squaretail Spit I drove last year still doesn't have the tranny cover in place, so one does get a good look at the road from inside ;-) I may get around to getting it dusted off and ready for spring driving weather soon. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 8 07:35:59 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:35:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601c88129$bba47a60$6402a8c0@HOME> Weeks agon I've bought a Panasonic SDR-S150. A SD camcorder with good resolution and a small housing. It will replace my old VHS video cam which I've used. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From britbits at tiu.net Sat Mar 8 07:53:24 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 8 09:11:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:11:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 T50 GEARBOX PHOTOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080308111103.L58MQ.16049.root@fepweb07> TRY TO SHARE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE T50 GEARBOX IN THE GT6+ BOBBY WHITEHEAD [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00085.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00080.JPG] From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 8 09:12:36 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Amici, I would have to agree with Kas. The secret is to use NOS parts in the box, not the garbage currently available. Yes, it is expensive. Yes, it is hard to find parts in a timely fashion, but the wise racer buys the stuff when it becomes available, not when it is needed (whoops, gave away a little secret). Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 > From: "Kas Kastner" > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 8 09:19:55 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> Message-ID: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> > I wouldn't be surprised to > find I have four to five grand in each. I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a semi-rigid trans mount? Just kidding... sort of. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:31:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not me), etc. Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll be at least three grand into it as well. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> I wouldn't be surprised to >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a > semi-rigid trans mount? > Just kidding... sort of. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Mar 8 09:47:30 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I always just took one out of an old car and put in mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00> From: Billb at bnj.com> To: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes> > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand.> After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not> me), etc.> > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted,> do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source> gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll> be at least three grand into it as well.> On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote:> > >> I wouldn't be surprised to> >> find I have four to five grand in each.> >> > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to> > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a> > semi-rigid trans mount?> > Just kidding... sort of.> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> > TR4 #314> > Albuquerque NM> > Bill Babcock> Babcock & Jenkins> Billb at bnj.com> 503.936.7660> www.bnj.com> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:50:08 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1AFB5151-3456-4733-B929-BCC31D5CC14A@bnj.com> works fine, and that's exactly what I used to do. the occasional failure was just part of the deal. but I take long trips to race now, and I don't want stuff breaking on the road. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:47 AM, wrote: > I always just took one out of an old car and put in > mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00 > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes > > > > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > > me), etc. > > > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything > blueprinted, > > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, > source > > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > > be at least three grand into it as well. > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > > > >> I wouldn't be surprised to > > >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > > > > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > > > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes > into a > > > semi-rigid trans mount? > > > Just kidding... sort of. > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > > TR4 #314 > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 13:33:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 14:05:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:05:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: sounds like a handy feature, it will keep you from shifting too frequently. You might consider adding a relay into the circuit. What you're being shocked by is not the 12 volts, but the flyback voltage generated by the solenoid. A relay has a solenoid too, but it's dinky and won't sting. an insulated switch would also do the job. On Mar 8, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rob wrote: > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 8 16:46:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:46:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D32538.5080707@pobox.com> Bobbie, Would you please clarify? Most of this thread has assumed you are installing a GT6 gearbox. I thought you were installing a TR4-6 gearbox. I don't know much about the GT6 box, but understand the reliability issues are like night and day. Larry Young igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sat Mar 8 19:57:21 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:57:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bobby bought a car that was well prepared and accepted as is by more than one vintage organization. He took the drivers school and they immediately jumped on him to get the gearbox changed. George even twisted my arm to come and help over the winter (4 hour drive each way) so that Bobby could get it up to CVAR spec before he came back again. While Bobby should be driving his car and learning how to be a safe racer while attaining his VMC license he has to stop and tear into a perfectly good car. Why can't this wait until something in the driveline breaks. It will happen and whether it takes a year or three who really should care? How long have the illegal engines been a problem. They aren't so obvious. I'm not talking Moldex or 89's here. We have some awfully fast FP cars too. Please don't forward this ot George. I don't want the feedback. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:53 AM To: 'EDWARD BARNARD' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 20:30:56 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:30:56 EST Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Well said Bob!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 08:19:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <003f01c881f0$931a07f0$6be435cf@jrg> Bob, Now you've lost me. What all did CVAR "dislike" about the car? Just the gearbox? Or were there things changed over the winter (after Eagles Canyon)? And I guess the real question was... during the discussions with CVAR was it a set list of changes required, or did it turn into a "honey - do" list with things added as Bobby went along? And was the authenticity committee involved? Run group leader? CVAR leadership? CVAR makes a bit point on the club website to "discuss a 'new' car with the various run group leaders" to determine elegibility. My concern is that these guys aren't giving a consistent story. When I ran in 1995 authenticity was a "nice idea" but not really enforced. They did suggest that I replace my 13" rims with 10", but it wasn't a requirement. Melting a piston going into Turn 1 meant I didn't have to worry about the rims after that :O Watching the dicing on track is interesting, but I think they made a philosophical mistake by calling it 'racing'. As an exhibition, things like the gearbox wouldn't really matter. My .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:57 PM To: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 9 10:10:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:10:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can add; close ratio gears from England, hardened lay shaft, custom made laygear with double length high speed roller bearings at both ends, REM treating of all moving parts, race prepared 'J' type overdrive, modified mounting brackets, etc. Allen On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > me), etc. > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > be at least three grand into it as well. > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > >>> I wouldn't be surprised to >>> find I have four to five grand in each. >> >> I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to >> papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a >> semi-rigid trans mount? >> Just kidding... sort of. >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 9 10:14:13 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there were cross over years? Any other tips from the outside that its a synchro, perhaps my memory fails me. Would not be the first time... Finally, I always assumed these transmissions were exactly the same otherwise; will it take the overdrive unit from my older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to exchange it? Frankly, I've come close a few times but for some reason, I kinda like being reminded that this car is truly from a different era and a non-synchro trans is a constant reminder, especially after a long winter... Its fun being able to match gears manually when a downshift into first while moving becomes necessary but I gotta admit that when you blow it - its not pretty. A skill that will go with our generation along with cleaning record albums, maintaining vacume operated winshield wipers and making salad from an actual head of lettuce... Cheers, Mark From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 17:27:36 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:27:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 10:35:39 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR and authenticity In-Reply-To: <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88203$9f43c2b0$aae435cf@jrg> At very least CVAR needs to update the rules listed on the website. >From the website: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com/cvarrules.html Cars that are prepared beyond allowable modifications will be penalized points, reassigned to another race group or excluded from competition at the discretion of the Vehicle Regulations committee. Cars with more than 5 penalty points are not eligible for championship and may be moved to exhibition group So from what's posted, Bobby could be allowed to run but not be eligible for the cheap plank of fiberboard at the end of the year. In the mean time they're collecting dues and getting $$$ to help pay track rentals, etc. Yeah, I got burned out from dealing with some of the rule book waving autocross types who played personality games got get what they wanted. That's what I liked about CVAR at the I ran.... much more laid back. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM Autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275s vintage racer and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:08 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I agree, Bobby should be given at least a year. CVAR should be more consistent in their treatment of cars which are new to CVAR versus those that have been there. I suspect there are cars that have been running for years with more important authenticity issues. As you know, my car has been in CVAR for the past four owners. When I got it, it was loosing the maximum number of authenticity points, and it had been that way so long that no one could remember what the points were being lost for. I corrected some of the problems because I wanted to, not because CVAR demanded it. I don't disagree with the CVAR rules, but they should be uniformly enforced. Larry Young From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 9 10:56:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Commercial Issues and the FOT Message-ID: After watching a recent exchange on several lists............ Our FOT has reaped the benefits of it's 'freewheeling' style of exchanging information, ideas, and product sources. No rules, no dues, no board of directors, no backbiting, no need. The benefits? Faster Triumphs Safer Triumphs Respected Triumphs Better Business Decisions More Knowledgeable Triumph Racers. This FOT list has fostered the development of several speed and safety related products, in addition to bringing back some race proven items of the past. That cant happen without a little 'commercial' discussion from time to time. Without any rules, we have the right to exercise personal discretion, without refering back to a 'manual'. Of course we cant make everyone happy all of the time. But I remember someone saying that is what a "DELETE" button is for. Joe A From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 11:43:44 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers Message-ID: Hello all, Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY replacement parts: Thrust washers Crank & rod bearings Timing chain Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 9 12:12:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080309191222.5CD6E18765D@autox.team.net> British Parts Northwest has AE cam chains, trimetal bearings, and talks about decent thrust washers on their website. - Tony Drews At 12:43 PM 3/9/2008, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >Hello all, >Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of >the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only >normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk >part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. >While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY >replacement parts: >Thrust washers >Crank & rod bearings >Timing chain > >Thanks in advance, >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 9 13:10:05 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 9 13:24:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CCBE5A773064102AA66430CCE2EFE24@Mobil> I have a simple lever knob for shifting the OD at my steering wheel. The knob is connected to a relay. So there is low voltage on the knob. To keep moisture away from the knob I glued a cap of a text marker on the connectors. Looks nice. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 14:35:59 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three > decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the > synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember > driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted > it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there > were cross over years? I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, later 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But as I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > Any other tips from the outside that > its a synchro, The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right behind the fill plug. > will it take the overdrive unit from my > older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to > exchange it? You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of the countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's uprated plates. Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 15:28:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hans device Message-ID: <001501c8822c$862235e0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> The hans device has been improved to hold the neck and head in a side impact as well as frontal Its called the hybrid.Its made buy Safety Solutions Fox TV high lighted it to day on a "State Farm safety report" on to days NASCAR broadcast Trouble is I can't find any more info. on it. Is anyone familiar with it?? I would suggest if anyone is getting ready to spring 800.00 to a 1000.00 bucks for the hans they may want to look at this product before they buy. thanks rob From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 15:46:20 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Makes perfect sense. Glad I asked. Greg On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:58 PM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > probably main cap not centered fore & aft, only one washer took the > load. > HTH > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg - Lunker Hilyer > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 1:43 pm > Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers > > Hello all, > Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of > the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only > normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk > part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. > While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY > replacement parts: > Thrust washers > Crank & rod bearings > Timing chain > > Thanks in advance, > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Mar 9 15:54:48 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <004301c88230$34254d00$6401a8c0@Elliott> Or maybe someone just swapped the top from an earlier gearbox with the dip-stick onto this one. I know that a late TR3A (TS 81551 L) that I restored had no dip-stick. My own 1958 TR3A (TS 27489 LO) has the dip-stick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 >> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three >> decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the >> synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember >> driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted >> it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there >> were cross over years? > > I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 > synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to > accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, > later > 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But > as > I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; > possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > >> Any other tips from the outside that >> its a synchro, > > The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right > behind > the fill plug. > >> will it take the overdrive unit from my >> older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to >> exchange it? > > You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a > different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also > changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the > later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of > the > countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and > prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's > uprated > plates. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 17:17:39 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:17:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > Makes perfect sense. Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : how the load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear washer ? Cap misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the lower rear washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it would carry the load from the clutch. Randall From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 16:15:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? Message-ID: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the valve guide. Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 17:37:39 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:37:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part added up to what I found. Thoughts? Comments? Please? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: >> Makes perfect sense. > > Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : > how the > load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear > washer ? Cap > misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the > lower rear > washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it > would carry > the load from the clutch. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 19:27:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for > reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be > grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack > of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what > causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the > switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good > ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. > > When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative > voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your > ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best > solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to > suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in > electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic > controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the > solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the > negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It > could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. > > Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM > Subject: [Fot] A type OD > > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:50:45 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: "Randall" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned > rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all > the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear > washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? > > Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . > 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 > halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but > rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of > material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . > 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, > the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. > I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure > plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race > before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the > crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence > from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] > perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part > added up to what I found. > Thoughts? Comments? Please? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Makes perfect sense. >> >> Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : >> how the >> load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear >> washer ? Cap >> misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the >> lower rear >> washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it >> would carry >> the load from the clutch. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jwoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 9 19:55:16 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. Steve, I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time lines which are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which must be respected. Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with the BRE "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. Spoilers always had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is incorrect. You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe in photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to conclude that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That would be true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations expect MGB's to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant in the eyes of a historian.B All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify time lines and periods of eligibility. If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't fit the template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you are outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional organizations. If you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to be racing against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if you wish to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they are defined and history dictates. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:58:28 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A type OD References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001501c88252$3c130df0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Cool there are some boom boxes in this hood i would like to jam kidding Actually i am not it would be nice to shut down the kids with base so loud my teeth are rattling and there three cars back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Gary Schneider Cc: Rob ; FOT Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A type OD Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 9 19:59:21 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:59:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the load. Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, but don't hold your breath. mjb. From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 20:06:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under the car was important too. On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage > sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic > photos that > most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of > "styles", > from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut > sheet of > aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. > Steve P. > > > > > > Steve, > > I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time > lines which > are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage > organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which > must be > respected. > > Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with > the BRE > "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. > Spoilers always > had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late > seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. > > My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is > incorrect. > > You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe > in > photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to > conclude > that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That > would be > true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations > expect MGB's > to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B > > As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant > in the eyes > of a historian.B > > All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify > time lines > and periods of eligibility. > > If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't > fit the > template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you > are > outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional > organizations. If > you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to > be racing > against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. > > This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if > you wish > to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they > are > defined and history dictates. > > Jack Woehrle > > SVRA Technical Director > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 20:34:43 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth to see it in action, but I get it. So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >> the front washer[s] take the force >> > > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the > load. > Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, > but don't hold your breath. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 20:46:20 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> Message-ID: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a > Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some > rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late > development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long > after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under > the car was important too. > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > >> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >> photos that >> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >> "styles", >> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >> sheet of >> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >> Steve P. >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >> lines which >> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >> must be >> respected. >> >> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >> the BRE >> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >> Spoilers always >> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >> >> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >> incorrect. >> >> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >> in >> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >> conclude >> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >> would be >> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >> expect MGB's >> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >> >> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >> in the eyes >> of a historian.B >> >> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >> time lines >> and periods of eligibility. >> >> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >> fit the >> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >> are >> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >> organizations. If >> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >> be racing >> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >> >> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >> you wish >> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >> are >> defined and history dictates. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> SVRA Technical Director >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 21:16:05 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <20080310031614.SZZA17893.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 21:16:41 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA comp. It references Peter Brock. http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began showing up on the street. The rest is history". From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 21:26:01 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reasonable source for TR7 wheel studs? Message-ID: <003401c8825e$7823d4d0$2fe435cf@jrg> Anyone know of such an animal? I was just looking at Rimmer Bros today... $15.50 before shipping. each. Ouch! TIA Jim Dallas From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 22:25:11 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:25:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I meant Peter Brock. On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] > under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake > cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. > Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it >> was a >> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >> the car was important too. >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>> photos that >>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>> "styles", >>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>> sheet of >>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>> Steve P. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>> lines which >>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>> must be >>> respected. >>> >>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>> the BRE >>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>> Spoilers always >>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the >>> late >>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>> >>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>> incorrect. >>> >>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>> in >>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>> conclude >>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>> would be >>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>> expect MGB's >>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>> >>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>> in the eyes >>> of a historian.B >>> >>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>> time lines >>> and periods of eligibility. >>> >>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>> fit the >>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>> are >>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>> organizations. If >>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>> be racing >>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>> >>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>> you wish >>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>> are >>> defined and history dictates. >>> >>> Jack Woehrle >>> >>> SVRA Technical Director >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 23:45:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:45:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward I agree. But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear flank of the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); transferring all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... certainly if something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force the crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust washer. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 23:14:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <4818C17A-9EB7-4F63-8DEE-D1F5ED75F2C3@bnj.com> Lot's of things can ruin the front thrust washer, but one thing to check for sure is residual pressure in the clutch hydraulics. a lot of master cylinders are provided with a residual pressure valve in place-- you have to take them out if you're going to use them for the clutch. easy to determine if you have one--pump the clutch a few times, release and then open the bleeder. if it squirts, that's your culprit. Not only can it toast your thrust bearings, it's also very hard on the clutch and throughout bearing. On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Randall wrote: >> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward > > I agree. > > But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear > flank of > the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); > transferring > all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? > > However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... > certainly if > something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force > the > crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust > washer. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 23:18:27 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:18:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity References: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <015601c8826e$2bf83780$d214c548@RW> We had done he same thing with the TR-6. Brake scoops. Hah!!! Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA > comp. It references Peter Brock. > > http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php > > "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance > modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts > (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." > > And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock > > http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm > > "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they > did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake > scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the > front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was > permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began > showing up on the street. The rest is history". > > From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct > > http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s > > > > > At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >>under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >>cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >>Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >>Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >>TR4 #314 >>Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From johnkipping at inet.net.nz Mon Mar 10 01:43:27 2008 From: johnkipping at inet.net.nz (John Kipping) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:43:27 +1300 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? In-Reply-To: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <47D4E69F.5080005@inet.net.nz> The valve springs should have some sort of bottom collar - but I'm not sure how important it is. Mk Is had an inner spring which held down a small ring which sat inside the outer spring. Mk IIs had a pressed metal "top hat" section. Cars with double springs should use a machined "top hat" section. Scott Janzen wrote: > I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve > springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior > heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that > prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of > the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the > valve guide. > > Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are > supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 05:59:02 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:59:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 speed trans Message-ID: <3732729.1205150342930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am in need of a rebuildable 4 speed trans out of a TR7. I'm in So Cal Thanks Joe 818 350 6222 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Mar 10 09:02:16 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fine Cheese? Message-ID: Check out the TR3 again and read the questions that have been asked and answered. Close to $40K already and 5 more days to go. This guy can sell my next car for me.... Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170199490 934&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 10 10:08:58 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 10 10:30:22 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do like those 510s, you can get a lot of beans out of that motor. On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look > over the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought > of a lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at > the Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the > spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Mar 10 11:01:39 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SVRA regs. GT6- Group 44 style lip spoiler. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. JWoesvra at aol.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 03/10/08 08:08 AM To dave at microworks.net, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Fot] So a question? In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 13:21:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: Message-ID: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the kudos for the air dam. damn! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:47:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:47:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA Message-ID: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 22:50:41 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:41 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However many of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam act by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone explain the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away with it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a > few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The > hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the > tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. > I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No > joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the > car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of > the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the > kudos for the air dam. damn! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > dave at microworks.net writes: > > > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > > they did in 1968? > > > > > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > > the fence. > > > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > > lot > > of tricks but missed that one! > > > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > > Datsun > > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:06:23 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:11:34 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx Shane Ingate in NM Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 From: triosan at gmail.com To: hottr6 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA CC: fot at autox.team.net So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 10 15:20:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? I'm not getting in this discussion. :-) > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first > got them. I got some from TRF about 4 months ago. They're a bolt-on and brand-new. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 15:43:10 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <00c801c882f7$bcc306d0$d214c548@RW> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Steven Preiss" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a > spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a > devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the > spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down > on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a > couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear > spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you > can only go to the well so often. > > The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on > the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots > of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it > direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD > PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year > 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We > also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't > remember for certain without checking some old photos... > > In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru > 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. I also have several photos of my TR-6's at Riverside with spoilers and at the Atlanta runnoffs in 1971 WITH SPOILER. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 10 18:40:44 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D5D50C.7030500@cfl.rr.com> GT6's ran the same lip spoiler. Shane Ingate wrote: > Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: > http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? > > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got > them. > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your > "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 19:56:36 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:56:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions Message-ID: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello guys and gals I thought I would forward this to the list incase anyone is interested ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: safety solutions > Rob, > > I send you e mail because we are not registered on the team net FOT (too > much e-mail) > > Safety Solutions appears to be a distributor for the Hutchens device > > http://www.hutchensdevice.com/ > > The above is the address for Safety Solutions > > I know nothing about them, I do know Hans came out this year with a more > economical model, the Hans sport, it sells for 695.00 and until June is > only available in medium. It has all the same qualities as the other Hans > but weighs more. > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. > > Check Specmiata.com for their forums, there is a lot of discussion about > the devices. I'm sure the circle track guys also talk it up on their > forums. > > Scott Adams > Stockton Racing - 71 Crowd > Cheif Shit Stirrer and Cook From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Mar 10 20:45:55 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions In-Reply-To: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 09:56 PM 3/10/2008, Rob wrote: > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a lot easier to see the corner workers' signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that I've ever done that, of course...). R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 11 05:35:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] HANS upgrade, was safety solutions In-Reply-To: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE4F@server.Triumph.local> What a great idea. I just ordered my set of sliding tethers. The biggest issue I had with my HANS device was driving through the paddock with the tethers connected. Especially the big festival events where the paddock is busy. Getting a little movement here will be great! > -----Original Message----- > From: R. John Lye > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions > > The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new > one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It > also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The > posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I > got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last > weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a > lot easier to see the corner workers' > signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that > I've ever done that, of course...). > > > R. John Lye From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 10:44:07 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. That's why I've been headed in that direction. If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know ARP carries so I can do it properly. Anyone willing to share their secrets? TIA Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and a few other potential race projects ;) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 11:00:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <6AB17262-60C4-474C-B239-3BB241CD13FA@bnj.com> No idea what spits use, but I always replace my wheel studs with long black studs. Not sure if you're dealing with some specific problem but it's trivial deal, I don't even drill them out to fit, just find a stud with a spline base that's the same or slightly larger and press them in. Your local Napa guy should be able to help On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Jim wrote: > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 > at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 > and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel > studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one > of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something > I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 11 11:35:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002501c8839e$58073d40$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Your best bet is to go to your local auto parts store and look through their catalogs (Usually Dorman) andfind a stud that will fit your application. They have a wealth of different sixe threads and shanks so that you should be able to find some that match. You will probably have to go with a Metric size since that is what most cars are coming out with these days. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Mar 11 11:31:58 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:31:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 11:38:25 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8839e$b6be5ee0$08e435cf@jrg> Dorman "166" wheel studs are what everyone pushes as "fitting a TR7". Correct knurl diameter... but they have a mushroom head, not countersunk. That's my other option, run a set of them on the lathe and cut the head down to fit the hubs. Just wondering if there was an off the shelf solution that won't break the bank. Cheers, Jim Dallas _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:32 PM To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 12:21:33 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <860427.42005.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amen to that brother! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: William G Rosenbach To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:18:12 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002f01c883ac$a6127460$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I got some extra long ones for my old Cosmic wheels at Summit. Those guys usually have a lot of choices for a cheap price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 01:37:00 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different block. To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on the bearing caps. OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple > stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth > to see it in action, but I get it. > So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >>> the front washer[s] take the force >>> >> >> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >> load. >> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >> but don't hold your breath. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 14:01:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> If that's the case it might be a good idea to get the crank magnafluxed. Last time i saw bearing caps that were swapped/rotated was on a Jag 420 motor and the crank was cracked in four places. On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:37 AM, MadMarx wrote: > what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? > Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different > block. > To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on > the > bearing caps. > OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. > > Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > > >> Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple >> stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth >> to see it in action, but I get it. >> So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front >> washer? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >>> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and >>>> therefor >>>> the front washer[s] take the force >>>> >>> >>> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >>> load. >>> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >>> but don't hold your breath. >>> >>> mjb. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 14:10:04 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> Message-ID: Those mistakes can happen very easy. I remember year 2006 when I assembled my engine and made a photo from downstairs into the crank/piston area. At the evening I examinde the photos and by accident I found that two rod caps were rotated because the cap numbers were on the wrong side. Would habe been a fatal firing up next day...... From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 11 14:20:18 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid compatible hose Message-ID: <47D6E982.9050307@cfl.rr.com> I need hose longer than comes in the Tilton master cylinder kits for the remote reservoir. Any suggestions for a brand or type at 5/16th ID? I know your average hose will not hold up to brake fluids. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 16:49:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From BillB at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 15:57:02 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 16:47:43 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000601c883c9$eb962550$0302a8c0@Bud> many of the nuts that appear closed actually are open nuts with caps that will punch out with a screwdriver Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Jim" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN > Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM > To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. > JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. > > A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have > Panasports > and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need > open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) > > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > >> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at >> Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and >> $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! >> >> Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? >> The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. >> That's why I've been headed in that direction. >> >> If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take >> something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them >> funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know >> ARP carries so I can do it properly. >> >> Anyone willing to share their secrets? >> >> >> TIA >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser >> and a few other potential race projects ;) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 19:04:03 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:04:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4A IRS on Cape Cod Message-ID: <20080311.210403.6599.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> The other day I came across a very rusty TR4A IRS for sale in Orleans, MA, out on Cape Cod at Tedd's Garage. Lower fenders and rocker panels were shot and I did not look much further than those. Tedd says that the frame is good and that he has some spare sheet metal to include. I did not look to close and did not think to take pictures, but I will likely be back out that way within a month or so, if anyone is interested. Tedd is asking $3000.00 for this, which I personally thing is about $3000 too much, but I guess as the tide rises for the nice cars, it also rises for the not so nice. Tedd is into Morgans so if you had any Morgan stuff, he may trade. He is also looking for a vintage sprint car and would also likely be interested in a trade. NFI. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijldpy3U8gKYiQnSYPAskDcod hmruPzeqBxzblW0tL3bfRVgO/ From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 19:19:04 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 Message-ID: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> During the holidays my brothers took me to see an abandoned side curtain Triumph race car. Bright orange, #16, looks like the driver's name on the rear fender might be something like S___ Dickey #16 EP Only visible from the rear quarter, so I can't tell off the bat what vintage. Central NJ. Just curious if anyone had run across the car during the years. As it sits it's pretty rough, with trees growing through the trailer. Maybe Triumph World could sponsor a restoration, they seem to like rust bucket project cars. Cheers, Jim Dallas From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 11 23:45:47 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:45:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 10:01:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 > From: "Jim" > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > To: > Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf at jrg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) Hi Jim, Yup, it's me again. I just sourced bigger, stronger replacement studs for my Triumph Vitesse - which has the same original studs as GT6/Spitfire. I had to go metric, but what I used, after much chat on the Club Triumph etc forums were Land Rover Freeland Wheel Studs, part # CLP9037L. Cost is a nominal 1.20 GBP each, and there is no further machining required. You should be able to order them through your local Land Rover dealership, or online? Here is a link to the Triumph technical forum to which I belong, with photo of the stud in question - the one with the purple loctite. http://www.sideways-technologies.co.uk/forum/Blah.pl?m-1200842228/s-new/ Good Luck. Lion Guyot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 12 07:56:26 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 08:38:38 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000f01c8844e$c3043ed0$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> I bought some lug nuts from Summit for the Panasports on my TR3 (with the alloy front hub conversion). The part number was GOR-90087 and the cost was $4.39 for a pack of 4, these are open end and are available in different sizes. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:56 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as m-syork at comcast.net From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 12 09:25:32 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> References: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <8CA526C7268D8FA-F3C-26F@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> I know exactly where that car sits! I've been trying to buy it for years!!!! Susan Dickey is the name of the woman who drove and still owns the car. I don't know much else about the car's history. There was a pic of the car in Classic Motorsports "Ran When Parked" section within the [past year, I think. Usual story, car is not for sale,due to dreams (which probably won't come true) Rich Rock From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 6 16:44:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:44:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS References: <96E99354E34A3747A95AC1C439BB55B9565326@LAEXCHG3.fulpat.local> Message-ID: <012001c87fe3$fd9567f0$d214c548@RW> Just effort to lighten up the day. : Fwd: SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS Basic Shop Tools and Their General Purpose DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted vertical stabilizer which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light . Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh shit!" ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age. SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper. EIGHT-FOOT LONG YELLOW PINE 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off of a trapped hydraulic jack handle. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible future use. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids and for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. "JESUS CLIP": A small circlip or hairpin-style retaining clip typically used to hold small shafts in place (ie: carburetor throttle shaft). The name comes from every mechanics' expression the moment when a circlip pops off the shaft and falls under the car. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Jon Goodman Ad .Hoc Creative 816-822-7676 816-822-0244 FAX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 21:12:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <010f01c8825c$98e22a20$d214c548@RW> Pete Brock did the "spook" thing on his 2 liter Datsuns, probably first, this is most likely in about 1968 or maybe 1967. Brock Yates was not a "make a car" guy. Pete Brock was really ahead of everyone on this. We had spoilers on our TR-6 cars, 1970 and after, but neither of these are air dams. Air dams in > production would be a nightmare of warranty claims when folks run into the parking cement blocks, as you know they will. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > > >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >> under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >> cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >> Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a >>> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >>> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >>> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >>> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >>> the car was important too. >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>>> photos that >>>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>>> "styles", >>>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>>> sheet of >>>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>>> Steve P. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>>> lines which >>>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>>> must be >>>> respected. >>>> >>>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>>> the BRE >>>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>>> Spoilers always >>>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >>>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>>> >>>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>>> incorrect. >>>> >>>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>>> in >>>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>>> conclude >>>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>>> would be >>>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>>> expect MGB's >>>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>>> >>>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>>> in the eyes >>>> of a historian.B >>>> >>>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>>> time lines >>>> and periods of eligibility. >>>> >>>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>>> fit the >>>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>>> are >>>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>>> organizations. If >>>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>>> be racing >>>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>>> >>>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>>> you wish >>>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>>> are >>>> defined and history dictates. >>>> >>>> Jack Woehrle >>>> >>>> SVRA Technical Director >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 15:33:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:33:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <00ae01c882f6$573bed50$d214c548@RW> Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you can only go to the well so often. The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't remember for certain without checking some old photos... In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the > dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However > many > of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam > act > by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone > explain > the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away > with > it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What > about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of > character from the original look than the dams? > Steve P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > >> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 >> and > a >> few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The >> hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the >> tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very > good. >> I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No >> joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the >> car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire >> of >> the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets > the >> kudos for the air dam. damn! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? >> >> >> > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > dave at microworks.net writes: >> > >> > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that >> > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with >> > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake >> > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as >> > they did in 1968? >> > >> > >> > >> > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing >> > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over >> > the fence. >> > >> > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of >> > a >> > lot >> > of tricks but missed that one! >> > >> > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the >> > Datsun >> > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the >> > spook. >> > >> > Jack Woehrle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 07:27:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS---addtl use and application for Table Saw Message-ID: > TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch > wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Table saw is also used for shortening middle finger and has a nice ring to it when the bone strikes the carbide tipped blade..... the second stage of a Connecticut Snow Blower may used as an alternative, but does not have the nice ring to it....especially when the sound is masked by loud humanoid noises in the Connecticut Woods. Said Connecticut Yankee and Iowa Farm Boy will be comparing Length of Digits at Watkins Glen. Joe A PS: I gave the Table Saw back to my son, with my DNA, and I think Connecticut Yankee is giving his snowblower a wide berth. PPS: Unlike Mr. Bobbitt, our appendages were not salvageable. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Mar 13 08:21:13 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:21:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts Message-ID: Hi folks A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help with. I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the tr250 and tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are almost oblong and designed to be like this. the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard wheel stud, but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm thick in the same vein as the silverstone spinner. My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too clever. Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? Whatdayaknow ? Regards Tony From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 08:24:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:24:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented and why they are illegal? Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be involved somewhere. Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 08:52:07 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:52:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 13 09:17:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:17:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Amici... I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. That's got to be a hoot. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 13 10:21:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313152124.MRZU24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his > blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented > and why they are illegal? > Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be > involved somewhere. Ever since the advent of mass production, car (and motorcycle) owners have been seeking ways to look "different". Blue dots are just one of the more enduring items of bling from the post-war years (when was the last time you saw a raccoon tail tied to an aerial ?). Not illegal everywhere, but where they are, it appears to be because tail and brake lights are required to be red. Anything not mandatory is forbidden. IMO they are actually more likely to be noticed than ordinary red brake lights; and I'm not aware of any research to the contrary. Randall From REK46 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 09:41:33 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: They looked great on my 1960 Valiant ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 09:42:34 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:42:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DD7A01A-FC56-44C2-9F83-FDCC3458471B@earthlink.net> Tony, If I'm understanding correctly, what you have were called Uni-Lug pattern. There were different adaptors available that when put into the "oblong", allow mounting on various lug patterns. If this is what you have, I'm sorry to say that they are not suitable for racing and only marginal for street use. Most American Racing wheels of the era everything that the name implied but yours I'm afraid may not be. A shame- I always thought the Daisys were very nice looking wheels. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:21 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > Hi folks > > A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help > with. > > I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the > tr250 and > tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are > almost > oblong and designed to be like this. > > the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard > wheel stud, > but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on > eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm > thick in the > same vein as the silverstone spinner. > > My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too > clever. > Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? > > Whatdayaknow ? > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 10:01:34 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:01:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <001601c88523$838462a0$1502a8c0@Belkin> wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 11:01:45 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: That's like I said before, the way they keep moving these events further East the next one will be 200 miles out in the Atlantic ;-)) wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 13 11:13:42 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:13:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D960C6.4030502@bradakis.com> Gee, that reminds me I was going to call them up and get a subscription sent to Bailey's shop, so I'll have something to read while waiting for my knuckles to stop bleeding! mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 14:17:21 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:17:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Dennis Delap Message-ID: <819FB83C-8BE6-4DAC-BB8E-32AD06F81860@earthlink.net> Dennis, Please contact me off list. Or if someone could send me his e-address. Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 14:44:13 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: <29604920.4768501205441054072.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I have blue dots on my 35 Ford and they look Cool. Dean T. >From: REK46 at aol.com >Date: 2008/03/13 Thu AM 10:41:33 CDT >To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Blue dot taillights >They looked great on my 1960 Valiant > > >************** >It's Tax Time! Get tips, >forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > >(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Mar 13 15:25:32 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:25:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: <6856876b992b4a6a910f2946fbab3e67@mitchelplumbing.com> Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. The item #'s are: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1936-Standard-Ten-DHC_W0QQitemZ270219395410QQc mdZViewItem?hash=item270219395410 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1948-Triumph-1800-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702193982 81QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219398281 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1949-Triumph-2000-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702194003 66QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219400366 or 270219395410, 270219398281 & 270219400366 You could buy all three of these for less than an original TR3! Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 19:00:33 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? In-Reply-To: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 20:53:46 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:53:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. Tempting as always. And, as always, no money to satisfy temptation! I happened across that listing for the Standard 10 drophead coupe and forwarded it to a UK Standard Motor Club forum. At least one of their very knowledgeable members does not believe there are any such cars in the UK, so this one could be very, very rare indeed. Meanwhile, there just seems to be a ton of 1800/2000 Roadsters on eBay of late! Where ARE they all coming from? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 21:17:43 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:17:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 05:47:46 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeff Snook is down there with Glen taking care of the TR3 this weekend. All was well the last time he called the office. I think Henry Frye was going as well as Mike Jackson. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Mar 14 06:05:38 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c885cb$b8bdc940$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Hi Bill, SVRA lists the TR7 in group 8 and I understand VDCA will honor that as well. I don't know about any of the other groups. Group 8 seems to be where all the big bore stuff goes so I don't think a TR7 in IT trim will be remotely competitive but he would be allowed to run with at least a couple of the vintage groups if he wants to. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:18 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 09:49:16 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) In-Reply-To: References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:38:35 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 14 13:49:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning References: Message-ID: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Mar 14 14:07:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:07:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning Message-ID: Saturday night in the paddock. You betcha! I've narrowed synchro rings on the concrete at California Speedway before! In a message dated 3/14/2008 12:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 14 14:36:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning In-Reply-To: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> References: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, MadMarx wrote: > Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ It'sll take a LoooooooooOOOOOOOOONG time to get that baby up to 12:1 Probably 2 or 3 cases! :-0 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Mar 14 15:14:54 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? References: Message-ID: <007e01c88618$cfe2e630$6401a8c0@S1099895562> >From this Speed Channel page: http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/what-to-watch-on-speed-from-australia/ What to Watch on SPEED from Australia Written by: SPEED Staff SPEEDtv.com 03/10/2008 - 11:24 AM Charlotte, N.C. Formula 1 coverage on SPEED from the Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park in Melbourne, Australia: Thursday, Mar. 13, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Practice (L) Friday, Mar. 14, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (L) Saturday, Mar. 15, 2008 11:30 p.m. EST Inside Grand Prix 12:00 a.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (L) Sunday, Mar. 16, 2008 1:30 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (re-air) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on > Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I > was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if > there is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices > scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > > Cary > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Mar 14 16:08:33 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David Riddle) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on Saturday. Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. The race should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of late braking for passing in the corner. Next year should be very entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the little winglets and flip-ups they have now. I think third period qualifying will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint with. Dave Riddle I am out of the office. Message sent via the MicroWorks Webmail server.. ---------------------------------------- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Mar 14 16:31:45 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:31:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? In-Reply-To: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Message-ID: Not surprisingly, here in Australia coverage is extensive (free to air TV) amd of course at sensible times (live). There has been quite a lot of discussion about the future of the Australian GP, with Mr Ecclestone apparently threatening that Melbourne will either move to a nighttime event or lose it. This year the race has been moved to 3:30 local time as a compromise and I think 2009 is planned to run at 5:00pm. Bernie has said essentially "that's not enough - move to a night event or you'll lose it when the contract is up in 2010". Australians don't tend to react too well to threats. All in the interests of television. Wes Dayton (Sydney) On 15/3/08 9:08 AM, "David Riddle" wrote: > Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice > was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on > Saturday. > > Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars > were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel > power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when > heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to > "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. > > The race > should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of > late braking for passing in the corner. > > Next year should be very > entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the > little winglets and flip-ups they have now. > > I think third period qualifying > will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, > 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car > between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn > down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint > with. > > Dave Riddle > > I am out of the office. Message sent via the > MicroWorks Webmail server.. > > ---------------------------------------- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM > To: > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > > The > information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there > is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > Cary > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money > & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wes at hsrca.org.au From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Mar 14 17:01:04 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <062d01c88627$48638f70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, contact Jack at SVRA (jwoesvra at aol.com) regarding car specs, and Carl Jensen (you'll have to look that one up, sorry) about licensing. SVRA usually accepts SCCA licenses, although they may want you to attend a Driver Orientation Program to go over the subtle differences between Vintage and other racing. (It's a non-contact sport). Sometimes also a Track Orientation Program; I attended one at the Glen last year and it was excellant. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie,PA Vintage TR6 Basically stock with shaved TOYOs PS If you're near Gingerman in South Haven MI, they have a great Vintage school called the Spring Brake in early May. Highly recommended. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff > In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas > tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) >> > > Dear FOT, > > My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer > with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His > car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. > Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be > the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? > > Any information will be appreciated. > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 09:15:32 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Mar 15 10:07:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance Message-ID: Friends, I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about .030". While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). The thoughts I'm having is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the improvements if any? This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and would do it if it made sense. I'm also concerned with partially milling off the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier 6 motors. Thanks for any input. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 10:46:10 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <96D0F14B0D53483C8F439A30D144D13F@Mobil> I recommend -> grind them flat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 15 10:46:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube Message-ID: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 10:58:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and cam. second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 12:08:23 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Message-ID: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can find with a surface plate. Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Larry Young" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > >> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >> reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with >> a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably >> make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your >> lifters and cam. >> second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >> need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >> hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >> california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What >> you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters >> with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: >>> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. >>> resurface >>> the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few >>> places on >>> the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams >>> $11.70 each, >>> Web Cams $5.00 each. >>> Larry Young >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From goodparts at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 13:34:33 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Charly, I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a couple thousandths above since. Richard Good Charly Mitchel wrote: > Friends, >I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero >deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of >several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later >TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about >.030". >While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried >swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this >seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. >While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow >that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to >have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >The thoughts I'm having >is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the >improvements if any? >This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >would do it if it made sense. >I'm also concerned with partially milling off >the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no >problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier >6 motors. > >Thanks for any input. >Charly Mitchel >TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 12:43:39 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001f01c886cc$7ddbb420$6502a8c0@HOME> My testing with 0.023" deck clearance failed. The pistons kissed the head very slightly. I use 0.035" to have a little safty. Cheers Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 14:18:36 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA54F0E20C8DF3-DF0-3848@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> They were separated by 1/100 in the sprint race yesterday, in favor of the red one IIRC... Either way, a good day for TR-3s! Glen just back from Sebring so I can watch the finish on TV tonight -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: fot at autox.team.net; robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49 am Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 14:29:14 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:29:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory Message-ID: And to think, some people can't understand why many of us enjoy this so much!! Go Triumph!!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Mar 15 14:44:33 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:44:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube References: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <03a101c886dd$6074a250$0201a8c0@Bevan> You know, I'm certain the guy who was having his head 'tested' with a hammer once worked in the canteen kitchen next door to Engineering :) Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as standardtriumph at btinternet.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 15 16:16:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair amount of raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems to be made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. Does the pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. body? Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 months ago. I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the gauge is busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions would be great thanks rob From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 16:59:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:59:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weber air horns for 45's Message-ID: Amici, It seems to be a night for Webers... Has anybody got a couple of slanted airhorns for 45 DCOE's to spare. They are about 2" long and slope upward slightly, maybe 15 degrees? Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:09:44 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck Clearance Message-ID: <9a2d19bff0f72f47a908249d5942ea0b@wi.rr.com> Charly, I run .007 above deck with JE pistons. My head gasket measures .032 after torque giving me a clearance to the head of .025. Have run as high as 7500 rpm with no interference. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:18:18 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In-Reply-To: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <03c86c1ab5a40b11516f85d66df3f13e@wi.rr.com> Rob, I run triple 40 DCOE Weber's and never exceed 2 psi. Weber's are very sensitive to fuel pressure. I was told to run between 1-1/2 - 2 psi. Check with Pierce Manifold at: http://www.piercemanifolds.com/ for questions regarding your pump jets. They are most helpful. Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Rob wrote: > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:32:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:32:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass floats check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for leaks. If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 17:35:34 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> I've read quite a bit about this stuff. I'm not sure I understood everything about contact stress patches, etc. The bottom line seemed to be that the lowest contact stress occurs when the cam has no taper and the lifter is dead flat, and everything lines up perfectly. The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. I'm talking about a 50 to 100 inch radius of a sphere, which gives something like 0.002 inches. This very slight radius on the lifter surface helps to compensate for any misalignment, and results in much less stress than contact on the edge. I should add that Triumph apparently did not subscribe to this idea for the TR3/4 (not sure about later models), because they used flat lifters. Most of the after market lifters have a crown. There is no reason not to put a slight crown on a reconditioned OEM lifter. Real problems seem to occur when there is a convex surface on the lifter. That is why reusing old lifters is a no-no. I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry Bill Babcock wrote: > I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat > tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and > the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters > at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's > two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can > find with a surface plate. > > Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly > break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, > including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with > absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. > > I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more > like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad > idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. > > On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > > >> That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:40:37 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:40:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry We had a major player in the drag race world here in Vegas supplying ceramic lifters. He went out of business and the ceramic issue is purported to be to blame. Apparently the US military is buying every bit of the base stock so there's nothing left for the civilian market. That's the story anyway... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jwoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 15 18:18:05 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all aboutB appearance. The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement. I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 15 18:59:40 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:59:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <20080315.205940.10763.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I have used Cam Craft Cams in Maryland (http://www.camcraftcams.com/) and even have a set there being reconditioned now. They get $8 each to resurface. Yes, I can buy new ones for that price, but with the time that I have in to them to lighten them, it is worth the cost of resurfacing, instead of replacing. Joe(B) -- Larry Young wrote: Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to receive information from occupational therapy schools near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlRt8oIoDxVRW0MeG85JRZmk IXIjgtHoUrQBUJRZ9t2eJpeN/ From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 21:00:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:00:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: Jack, while I wouldn't argue with what you said you sure managed to put a "FINE" point on it IMHO. What was the saying....Flame On!! Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Gary Fuqua CVAR & VSCDA & maybe sometime in SVRA if I can stand the heat! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 08:57:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:57:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006b01c886ac$ea2fb0b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> JACK THANKS FOR THE "CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE TYPE OF FRONT SPOILER SVRA HOLDS ACCEPTABLE. THAT IS WHAT I AM IN THE PLANNING STAGES OF PRODUCING. I WANT TO USE IT ON THE TR3, HOWEVER. ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS? STEVE P. ----- Original Message ----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: spreiss at verizon.net ; kaskas at cox.net ; dave at microworks.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all about appearance.The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement.I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money.Jack WoehrleSVRA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 04:51:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:51:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment of lifter and cam surface. The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam taper. Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 16:54:59 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:59 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <000a01c886ef$9939d8f0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do hydraulic lifters address this problem? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Larry Young" ; "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment > of lifter and cam surface. > The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam > taper. > > Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Young" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > > > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 16 08:55:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <47DD34C4.1010509@pobox.com> I meant to say "on the edge of the cam", e.g. due to misalignment. Larry Young wrote: > The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:03:09 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:03:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:12:05 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 16 09:17:19 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:17:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: Plastic floats for SUs? My street TR3 has had Webers since day one of restoration, 27 odd years ago (I think). Never a problem with floats. Terry Stetler From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 16 09:25:50 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:25:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current Summitt catalog. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:29:21 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:29:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 8:19:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin writes: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? I am unaware of plastic replacements for the size we use in our old SUs. Am I missing something? Bill Not you, I. Followed the title block and missed that we'd switched the topic to SU's. Sorry to confuse the issue I haven't looked at an SU in about twenty years... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 09:43:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: <000c01c8877c$7e9fb770$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I have used the plastic floats for 7 years with good results. On needle and seat inspection one of them has a nasty nick in it and needs replacement Also on that same carb the float tang was not centered on the spring ball of the needle The float would land hard on the out side of the ball socket Its pretty wild how it can move that much over a season The setting of 7mill closed and 20 mill on the open held true on the other carbs. But they are all leaking at the pump jet . With the geometry of this float I may replace it simply because I can't seem to bend it into the correct position to land on the ball and still meet the 7 mil (closed clearance) off the top cover The Webber tuning manual from Overseas auto subjects filling the bowls with light oil.What would be the simplest way to remove the oil? Could the bulk of the oil be removed with a syringe after removing the main jet? Still it may still be a smoky start up will the plugs fowl ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern > fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with > empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe > fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the > post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before > starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but > I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. > The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. > He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern > solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view > in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:47:30 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to g-load issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:05:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Allen Washatko > Date: March 16, 2008 11:04:40 AM CDT > To: Gt6steve at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > My Weber's came with plastic floats and I have not had a problem in > three years. > > Allen > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >> simply >> went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >> failure with >> the plastic? >> >> >> >> >> Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share >> of float >> problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >> issues >> down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >> modern fuel >> additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >> with empty >> fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >> believe fuel >> evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >> the post >> during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >> before he >> starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route >> from our >> shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >> Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >> before starting out >> again, but he had another failure at Sebring. >> >> Two more comments. >> >> ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo >> (sp?), the >> SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >> but I've >> had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >> Roadster >> Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >> source. The >> ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). >> >> TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >> Specials >> Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >> race. He >> recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >> modern solder >> (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >> solder >> containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not >> sure how that >> fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck >> with the ones >> we've repaired ourselves. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >> view in >> Indianapolis are cheaper? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money >> & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:07:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0b3714aedd7ff86cc5f1ffe1923abe6a@wi.rr.com> You can avoid that by extending the pick-up to the bottom of the bowl with a SS tube. Make sure to angle cut the bottom tip. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:47 AM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it > lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. > By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic > floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to > g-load issues. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I > simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float > issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested > modern fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' > with empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we > believe fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on > the post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls > before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, > but I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, > Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same > source. The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English > Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we > race. He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with > modern solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old > solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a > view in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:14:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 16 11:43:29 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <000e01c8878d$3f0c2c40$6401a8c0@blake1> fot at autox.team.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 16 10:54:19 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <611811.20250.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack Drews used to sell a really nice scatter sheild for the TR4 - www.tonydrews.com has a link to UncleJacksRacing products. Dennis Allen Washatko wrote: I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 14:12:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1962 Trunk Lid Needed in Minnesota-TRIUMPH HERALD Message-ID: List(s) There is a guy in Minnesota that was transporting a Herald. It was his mother's car and he is trying to restore it. The trunk lid was lost in transport. I dont know this guy personally, but I agreed to help. If someone can help, please let me know...privately. I suspect this guy has no TR network at all, like this list of enthusiasts. Thanks, Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 14:30:11 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:30:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: Dear FOT, I appreciate the responses I received about the above vintage race. My boy traveled from his home in Williamsport, PA to Pittsburgh yesterday to visit us. I printed these responses and gave them to him. The question was why a car with a four cylinder 2.0 liter engine would be grouped with the V-8's. The TR-3''s and TR-4's all have 2.2 liter engines. I am sure that his car wouldn't keep up with most of these cars. I would think that they would want to keep most of the TR's together. Maybe his car is considered too new, and that they use Group-8 as a catchall to allow people to participate. I noticed that there is one other TR-7 listed as registered in this race (Classic Motorsport magazine). Maybe he has an ex-Grou p 44 car. <> I can certainly identify with the above. For a number of years, they grouped the EP cars with GT-1, GT-2, AS, etc. My memory may be failing, but didn't Paul Neuman briefly race a TR-6, and beat the Group 44 TR-7 car? Then he had someone drive around the grounds with a sign that said "Six is faster than seven." ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 14:38:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:38:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Kidney Bean" Aluminum Wheels - Info or wheel needed Message-ID: I have three good kidney bean style wheels from the 70s, I believe. These three are 6" wide 15" diameter with four bolt Triumph bolt circle. I also have two more that are really wide...at least 7", if not wider. I dont have a use for the wide ones, but would like to have one or two more of the 6" wide ones to make a complete set. Anyone have any?...or a source? I can provide a digital picture. Thanks! Joe A From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 16:51:44 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCs360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Trying to find a solution to this problem, I recently purchased a quantity of lifters from each of the major suppliers -- BPNW, Moss, and TRF. I had eight tappets from each supplier checked for hardness. I found that none of these suppliers furnish tappetts that are consistently in the middle 50's, Rockwell C scale. For example, the eight I had checked from one supplier measured 45, 48, 49, 51, 51, 52, 53, 53. The lowest reading I got on all of the lifters tested was 30. In addition, some of us are going to a cam that requires a full diameter stock lifter. Of the three above suppliers, none of them had the full diameter face -- all had a chamfer around the contact end of the lifter that reduced its contact face diameter. I checked with one heat treat company and they told me that chilled cast iron cannot be successfully nitrided so it sounds like that is not a possibility. At 11:58 AM 3/15/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a >flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make >the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and >cam. > >second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you >need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very >flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > > > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > > places on > > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > > each, > > Web Cams $5.00 each. > > Larry Young > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 16:37:03 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCr360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Time for somebody to start a little project to get one of the many commercial producers of carb floats to make some in the configurations we need. I'm covered with special projects at the minute, but a google search on this subject turns up some interesting stuff. At 10:47 AM 3/16/2008, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: >We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it >lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. >By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic >floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to >g-load issues. >Glen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gt6steve at aol.com >To: BillDentin at aol.com >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > >Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >simply >went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >failure with >the plastic? > > > > >Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of >float >problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >issues >down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >modern fuel >additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >with empty >fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >believe fuel >evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >the post >during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >before he >starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from >our >shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > >Two more comments. > >ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), >the >SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >but I've >had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >Roadster >Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >source. The >ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > >TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >Specials >Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >race. He >recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >modern solder >(no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >solder >containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure >how that >fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with >the ones >we've repaired ourselves. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >view in >Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > >**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 17:36:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: Richard, While working on the car today, I thought more about your email. The following questions came up: how much had you shaved the head, what type (thickness) of head gasket were you running and was the problem created by a sticking valve? Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Charly, > > I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head > and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a > couple thousandths above since. > > Richard Good > > Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Friends, >> I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >> about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the >> block zero >> deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top >> of >> several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is >> a later >> TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is >> about >> .030". >> While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >> distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I >> tried >> swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers >> and this >> seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of >> the crank. >> While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to >> a fellow >> that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he >> likes to >> have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >> combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >> The thoughts I'm having >> is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what >> were the >> improvements if any? >> This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >> would do it if it made sense. >> I'm also concerned with partially milling off >> the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I >> have no >> problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the >> earlier >> 6 motors. >> >> Thanks for any input. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 16 18:38:31 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <0b61f4b39a8b4561bffcff2fe9795200@mitchelplumbing.com> I'm curios about what efforts you've invested to remedy the problems associated with the TR6 crank problem. Can you share with me? I've purchased a Cambridge flywheel and had it machined to accept a Tilton clutch I will be balancing the entire motor and do whatever else I can. I have been paranoid to go over 6000 rpm. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Washatko Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:16 AM To: vanlake at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 16 19:37:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:37:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] John Finch Message-ID: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:35:43 -0700 >To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com >From: "David W. Riddle" >Subject: Re: [WtW] John Finch > >http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > >At 05:28 PM 3/16/2008, Diane wrote: >>Anyone have any ideas for this man?? >>This is just terrible, & I wish I could do something, but I don't know what. >>A few of his friends have been helping & set up this website. >>Diane >> >>Andy sent this back to me the first time because the list doesn't >>accept html links...so please figure this out phonetically, & visit this site! >>Thanks! >> >>www dot cwnicholls dot net slash fitch slash fitich dot com From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 19:47:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. John's quite the guy. The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining with him today. It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of life he should be basking in his past glories with friends. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 15 08:17:05 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:17:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wanted: best experience purchasing brake tubing (for TR4A (solid axle) Message-ID: List: Looking for some support..... Looking for the best opportunity for ordering the brake tubing and fittings. TR4A Chassis with Solid Axle Configuration. Prebent tubing OK and may be preferred. Stainless Steel OK, but not absolutley necessary. Some custom fabrication will be required at the master cylinders. In the interest of time, it may be contracted out. Your recommendation of source and configuration appreciated. Thanks! Joe A The-vintage-racer.blogspot.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 20:59:44 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/08 2:54:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: << What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with ve ry flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> The hardest lifters that I ever came across were those that I took out of an old engine, which I was disassembling. They did not look too bad on the bottoms. I took them to my machinist to have the bottoms reconditioned, and to cut some metal off of the tops, as outlined in Kas's book. Those lifters were so hard that my machinist couldn't cut them. He sent them to another machine shop, and they could not cut them either. My machinist was able to lighten lifters that I had bought. Either the old lifters were made a lot harder, or they are hardened by being beat around in a stock engine while being driven thousands of miles on the highway. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 16 21:34:16 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Bill On Mar 16, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. > John's quite the guy. > The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... > http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html > > I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining > with him > today. > It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of > life he > should be basking in his past glories with friends. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > '72 Stag '74 Spitfire > "Reality... It's not what you think." > http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 17 02:21:40 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:21:40 -0000 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Me too! Can someone provide a snail address for cash donations to be sent? I've no confidence in PayPal getting money across frontiers into a currency different from the issue currency. I've read the story on the website and it makes me as angry as those who say PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) is "just a character weakness." As of now, John Fitch's case will receive exposure in the UK on the Triumph Trans-AmeriCan Charity Drive Spitfire that's offered as first prize in the UK raffle draw. The car is going on public display at some 30 major events in the UK this summer and this is why I need a snail address to put on the poster so others can make donations too. Jonmac From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 17 05:06:36 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 17 05:49:25 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <469324.99308.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Geoff: Being a Moss distributor may give me a different track than your own, but contact the salesperson named on the top of your invoice. If I ever have a problem...short parts, too many parts, quality, etc, I contact my salesperson (Stu Bowman) and he makes it right. Moss has always made every effort to make things right and have always accepted my feedback about the quality of their parts Thanks - Ed. Geoff Byrne wrote: Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 16 16:29:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least acceptable quality. One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric > . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion > to get some satisfaction > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 07:40:04 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <011d01c88834$6821c660$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks guys! I have emailed the Carl Goodwin and Don Klein to find out what the plan is and how/when to donate. I'll add to my websites and post here also when I find out more. Some AOL folks are having difficulty with the address, so here's a bunch of variations. If you haven't looked at the slides from the 70's and early 80's, check out the rest of the botchagaloop.net site. Lots of old Triumph stuff... http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html http://www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html There's a link under Al Olmstead's photo at: http://www.botchagaloop.net also to John Fitch's bio information http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 17 08:04:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:04:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: > www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html > egads! there has to be a solution to this.....mounting a huge public outcry cant hurt. I have been to John's colonial period home, and in the total scheme of things, it hardly seems a significant threat to our environment, even with a leaking fuel oil tank. isnt it on a list of historic places? it would be in Iowa. there isnt much that old around here. easy target, apparently. big money in industrial areas is harder to get to. what a nightmare! From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 17 08:12:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:12:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: In a message dated 03/16/2008 9:34:54 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. > > Amici... I too have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Fitch at Lime Rock, Road America, and Watkins Glen events. A true Icon, and still looks the part (a stately gentleman these days). But I am confused with what is described here. I thought there was a 'Superfund' that addressed the cost of underground fuel tank leaks. Could that be something peculiar to Wisconsin and/or commercial applications? Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 08:19:15 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kevlar flexible bellhousing blankets Message-ID: <002001c88839$e21a7fc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Does anybody have any experience with one of these that will fit a GT6 or Spitfire bellhousing? All I can find are for drag racer applications. From herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 09:31:09 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA565B0F4598B9-15F0-559@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). ==AM== My most notable such experience with TRF was EXTREMELY SATISFACTORY. I bought a pair of their own tie rod ends for a Spitfire (with the grease fitting on top). With the first set I received, both tie rod ends were actually cast / machined / drilled / threaded significantly off-center; they 'wobbled' greatly as I tried to thread them onto the tie rod. Not good. I contacted TRF and was given (no charge, of course) another pair, which was fine. Approximately six months later, I discovered that the boots on the tie rod ends had already cracked (this while the car sat awaiting other work). Again I contacted TRF and was sent a replacement pair of rubber boots by return post. I have had a similar experience with Moss USA. I truly believe that the best suppliers will listen and WILL ACT appropriately in such circumstances. ==AM== One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) ==AM== I think I know what you're saying...or maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Anyway, I think I might want to disagree. If perhaps some of us might be more articulate in explaining why we feel a given item is inferior, then ok. But I don't feel that any of us is somehow more deserving than any other Triumph driver. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Mar 17 09:39:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <1664.128.143.17.27.1205768389.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. This already exists, and is maintained by an FOT member. Check out the "Monster List of British Parts Suppliers" at the "Dimebank Garage" John From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 10:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and I need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 10:38:52 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:38:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I have dealt with Moss on a number of Marques and when I have had a problem all I had to do was call them (My Sales Rep) and it was taken care of. There have also been a number of times when I tried to order something listed in the catalog only to be told, while they had it in stock, they were NOT pleased with the quality and would NOT sell it. That to me indicates some decent degree of responsibility. At least when they know there is a problem. Just my 2 cents. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 17 12:32:07 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:32:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <010b01c8885d$3520d7a0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> One problem with this master list is the availability of parts at the time requested. I've received NOS parts at times expecting cheap replacements and next time get replacement parts. I've also received parts from VB and TRF with Moss #'s and vica-versa. It is very difficult to know where they come from at any time. The best company for this is BPNW, but are limited on parts. They will tell you up front if they're Asian or NOS or British made. VB is impossible to find any information about the parts, TRF is a little better and Moss takes a day usually. This is my point of view as a distributor of parts. Charly Mitchel Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 British Sports & Spares 1602 Center St Tacoma, WA 98409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Geoff Byrne" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Geoff > Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber > parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter > to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to > reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My > thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on > quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration > projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get > completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the > problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. > One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified > ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause > them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that > the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on > a very loose standard. (No pun intended) > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Byrne" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > > > Amici > > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt > with > > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot > bush > > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found > it to > > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not > concentric > > . > > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs > of > > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing > one > > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem > and > > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any > suggestion > > to get some satisfaction > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Mar 17 12:31:12 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0D7B4121@kb1.mossmotors.com> Geoff: First off apologies that your input appears to have been disregarded. I checked our Product Information folder and could not find any comments on the 330-240 (55911) bush. We try to keep ears and eyes open for any problems with our products but the best way to report any kind of product problem to Moss USA is by pulling down an e-mail "contact us" sheet from: http://www.mossmotors.com/AboutMoss/ContactUs.aspx Fill out the information such as part number, invoice etc. then send it to the Tech Services e-mail address. This goes straight to the tech queue which is read by 5 techies (like myself) who try to figure out what is going on. We try to keep up on any written complaints and phone calls, but e-mail is the best way to work as the document can be saved and becomes a permanent bit of history. Every e-mail that comes in this way is logged and saved with any follow up comments and actions. We are constantly working on product availability and quality issues and any feedback from a knowledgable source is sincerely appreciated. We do our best to ensure that the products offered are correct, but there is no substitute for the hands on experience of the installer. If you could forward me a copy of your input, I can guarantee follow up. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 > From: "Geoff Byrne" > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > To: "FOT" > Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89 at GEOFFPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts > quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a > TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large > order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over > size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The > material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It > shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk > and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss > immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest > they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid > other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss > and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 15:25:22 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. http://www.teamtriumph.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar >I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >I > need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. > > Thanks, > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 15:48:52 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: I think he's an FOT member also ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 16:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <007101c8887c$2f1a8ad0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have had good experiences with Scott on new and used parts also. Good selection, prices, ships the same day if you get him early enough, condition as represented. Check his website for hours as I believe he works 11-5. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Major" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team > Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. > http://www.teamtriumph.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; > "listTriumph" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > > >>I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >>I >> need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 17 17:31:35 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 backing plate question Message-ID: <20080318003127.D489818766A@autox.team.net> I noticed that in my pile of backing plates that bolt on the the rear of the block on my TR6 engines that some plates are thicker than others. Some are aprox 3/16 and others are about a full 1/4" thick. Can anyone let me know what this is all about and if it makes a difference as to which one I use for the race engine I am building. I am using a late model block and crank with a late model 4 speed bolted to it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 17 18:43:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803180043.m2I0hPDD139013@ns3.geneseo.net> Due to interest sparked from some FOT exchanges about scattershields, I have a couple of requests for them. I will ask the fab shop to make one run. If anybody else is interested in one, let me know within three days so you can be included. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6, made from 1/4" thick aluminum 6061-T1. You can see a picture at www.tonydrews.com link "jack's parts" uncle jack From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:58:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:58:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 11:18:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: I can't speak for SVRA, but in CVAR any kind of spoiler on a TR3 would bump the car up. Quite simply you cannot run a spoiler of any kind on a TR3 or TR4 at SVRA. They both run in Group 3 which does not permit spoilers. Having said that, at Watkins Glen when we feature Triumphs, we WILL accept entries from TR3s and TR4s that have later specifications and a SCCA logbook to prove they are real race cars. They will not run in Group 3 however. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 20:05:47 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:05:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 21:53:19 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 22:08:45 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:08:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c888ad$c2d2be10$6401a8c0@blake1> Sorry nearly 50. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:53 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 17 21:08:11 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <47DF321B.2030903@dfn.com> Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, > that's good for me. > The major problem when something goes wrong is the time necessary to research the problem--and getting to the root of it is just the first step necessary to correct the problem. Just getting a supplier to acknowledge that a part is not to print is often like pulling teeth. For example, I spent half a day today trying to get an axle supplier to give me a good kit number for some service parts--the kit they said was correct had one item which didn't match their own production bill of material. Never did get a good answer because I was sent to an email address that didn't exist.... Years ago, at a company where I used to work, a designer that had been gone for a while was back in the office, so I asked what he'd been up to. "Oh, been at the production line in Canada, fixing parts." Fix what parts? "Well, seems that someone retired on the line, and his replacement couldn't get any of the rear outer panels and brackets to fit. Turns out that the parts were made to print, but, the prints were never right, the guy who'd retired could never get them fixed, so he just reamed out the through holes until he could fit them." Of course, that meant that whenever someone ordered those parts from aftermarket, none of them fit, and they had to do the same thing. > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > This one should have been simple, and from all I've read, it's likely a quality control problem, along with one of getting the bad ones weeded out of stock. Maybe combined with an original hardness specification that just wasn't up to hard use. Testing random samples of stock will only tell you if they meet what's on the print.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 22:16:27 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Guess I should [again] pipe up. Last Thursday, I spent almost an hour on the phone with Blain from Moss tech. He was knowledgeable, helpful and full of information. My call was regarding my thrust bearing problems. Although they hadn't had any other reports of problems, he did note mine and in the end agreed that my [partial] failure could well have been a less than satisfactory piece. Also, he couldn't tell me where exactly my part may have been made. Big warning flag to me. The most important part of the conversation however, might be concerning the feedback they get. I [and Blain] basically agree with Steven Priess's statement "When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed!". 90% of the parts I buy from Moss and others go on cars that I sell and most of them won't see a thousand miles a year - not much of a test bed. It is perhaps unfortunate that Blain only chuckled when I told him of my "Moss shelf" but it's true... I've got a shelf [sacrifices to the god of speed for those that have seen The Worlds Fastest Indian] of nearly $1000 of broken Moss parts - everything from a grenaded pressure pressure plate to a trans mount that lasted 1 session to carb o-rings that won't withstand modern fuels and now to a thrust washer that could've cost me an engine. My point is not to dis' their parts, but to say that I never told them about any of these failures because I was RACING and knew they wouldn't guarantee their parts for such use. In hindsight I realize that I should have at least reported my problems. Maybe we all should. We racers may be the only ones testing what they sell and they can't fix what they don't know about. I know this has little to do with Geoff's original question as to why he couldn't get a response, but we could probably "improve the breed" thru better communication with our suppliers. On the other hand, my next order of "critical" parts will be coming from BPNW. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. > They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me > they > would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to > replace > my parts, but I had already fixed them. > > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they > continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and > continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 > years, > that's good for me. > > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good > company. > Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that > what > you > order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. > > Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 05:41:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:53:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: Hi Jack, Is there any chance that a stock SCCA ITB TR-7 could run in Group 3, with the TR-3s and TR-4s. The TR-7 has a four cylinder two liter engine. That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 05:53:05 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:53:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 7:41:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra at aol.com writes: That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 07:38:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:38:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] U.S.Vintage Grand Prix @ Watkins Glen 4-7 September 08 Message-ID: FoT: If you are a potential entrant or know someone who maybe a candidate as an entrant, please react as quickly as possible to Jack Woerhle's appeal. The SVRA Website is SVRA.COM and copies of the application for entry are there for your use. Please note that the cost of entry is different for our Triumphs than the general population. ($375.00) No SVRA membership is required for Triumph. ALSO, please note that entrants outside of the Continental North America are FREE. Below is a 'reprint' of Jack W's appeal to us, just in case it might have got past you. (Note the comment on extra group or session....even more track time possible) Joe A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 08:28:19 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <00ce01c88904$50186670$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. The mystery continues!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 08:57:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 8:28:44 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our > floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of > movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. > > The mystery continues!! > Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 09:16:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:16:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander > Jeff... > > Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something > for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know > where > to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're > spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. > > Bill > > PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. > He must be on the mend. > From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 09:43:27 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <010d01c8890e$d10c2280$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: BillDentin at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; info at kipmotor.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [Fot] SU Floats FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 09:57:14 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:57:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 9:44:08 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! > > It's in his genes. > I always thought that diarrhea was hereditary because it was in my jeans. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 18 11:54:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need help on remove/install TR3 overdrive Message-ID: <001401c88921$2565be10$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The input shaft bushing and probably the bearing need replacement on the TR3 transmission which we have in out TR4 racecar (it came with the car). However, we also have an OD unit (also came with the car). After talking to Jack and Tony Drews I learned that the layshaft gears have to be "dropped" down to get the input shaft out. Also from talking to them I'd rather not try the removal and installation of the OD the first time by myself. I have my partner, son Ryan, to help but even with four hands I don't think I want to try this. So, I'm looking either for some assistance from someone in the area who has done this or a recommendation for a shop in the area to do this. I'm not too keen on taking the unit to the local transmission shop. I would compensate anyone who can help for their time and travel, etc. I have a heated shop and the tools, just not the knowhow. But I'd sure like to get the knowhow! Probably won't be the last time we have to do this!!! I live in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. I'm about 1 to 1-1/2 hours from anywhere in Milwaukee and about 2 to 2-1/2 hours from the north and west Chicago suburbs. Anyone to the frozen north of me knows where I am. I am more than willing to take the unit to someone else's place if that works better. I'm rebuilding the bottom end and we are planning on the Gingerman race/school on May 1st, so time is starting to get a little tight. You can contact me off list if you'd like. Tim & Ryan Murphy "Murphy's Law Racing" 1961 TR4 CT511 #317 VSCDA From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Mar 18 14:40:38 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... M From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 14:55:49 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:55:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 2:41:48 PM Central Standard Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue > dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove > it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil > "accidently" fell off... > Amici... That happened to me with a birth control device one time. It got through the inspection all right, but fell off during normal use. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 18 15:13:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights References: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> Message-ID: <005e01c8893c$f43339a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Of course by admitting that in an EMAIL, just as the NY governor was recently exposed, so will you be. Be careful answeringyour door inthe near future, the NY authorities will be ringing! :) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights > I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. > > I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. > > As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. > > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 18 23:51:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds Message-ID: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=42020 Ecclestone is now complaining that there are only two points separating a win and second place in the F1 Drivers Championship. Guess Bernie forgot that the point totals were changed to there current structure when Shumi was running away with the Championship and wins so that reducing the points awarded to the winner was the FIA's way of trying to keep the rest of the field within striking distance of Michael. However, I did like that the article pointed out that the driver with the most wins HAS won the Championship ever year since 1989 when Senna lost it to Prost. Sure sounds like the point totals are causing an ongoing issue with determining the Championship. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Mar 19 05:42:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds References: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: To quote a famous old CENDIV SCCA personality, Ma Beasley, "Let these boys race!" As much as I love the technical exercise that is F1, their Byzantine rules structure on the race itself is just too much. >From the points structure, to "scoring on aggregate", etc... they just make the race itself too much a political event. The "one who crosses the line first wins", sure seems to work pretty well for me. Terry Stetler From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 07:12:50 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:12:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <9547108.1205932370998.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at www.chequeredflagracing.net 818 350 6222 Thanks Joe From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 07:42:53 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:42:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I >> expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a >> complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my >> setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break >> due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all >> of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have >> the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I >> have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for >> the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set >> for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 19 07:48:08 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:48:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit In-Reply-To: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74A8AB50@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I was fine, thanks. The car didn't actually go over on its head. This was a Summers Bros. axle similar to the style you're using in your kit, but a much smaller diameter (1.00" I believe). The Summers Bros. axle we were using was a very nice piece, and would have been fine had I not made a mistake and slid the car sideways down the track. Cold tires + too fast, too soon = broken axle. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:43 AM To: Jerry Barr Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected >> so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit >> will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup >> is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to >> the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those >> problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle >> bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out >> there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and >> GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many >> years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 08:34:27 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:34:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000 000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 08:46:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:46:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wheel Deal 'Kidney Bean' Wheels One Needed or Three for Sale. Message-ID: I have a picture available if there is any interest. I think these are wheels from the 70s that were fairly popular. They are 6 x 15 with TR bolt pattern in Aluminum. I have three good ones, plus two more that are VERY wide 7" ?? I either need one 6" wheel for a full set or to sell the other three. I have no need for the wide ones, so they are offered for sale, too, when I get them off the derelict TR250 I have in my driveway. Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 09:03:01 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ Here is a US supplier Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 09:38:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:38:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] If you need Alloy Headlamp Replacements...otherwise DELETE Message-ID: Free shipping- two styles....with and without P-700 Tripod Decal Direct replacement to sealed beams Pictures available. Thanks! Available at Pegasus, too. From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Mar 18 19:14:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:14:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 19 12:15:56 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 12:54:38 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15x7-Revolution-5-spoke-wheels-Datsun-Ford-To yota-MGB_W0QQitemZ250222412754QQihZ015QQcategoryZ43955QQtcZphotoQQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This person has been selling recently on Ebay. May be worth contacting them. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: March 19, 2008 2:16 PM To: Paul MacDonald; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 19 15:26:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20080319172634.O3Z0Q.84192.root@fepweb06> I got sleeve nuts and washers for the Spitracer at the Auto Zone store down the road in Janesville Wi. I did have to open the ends up because I have three inch studs. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > > > Here is a US supplier > > > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > > REK46 at aol.com > > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > > the > > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > > 1 > > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > > in > > AZ, > > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > > > > > ************** > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > > 0030000 > > 000001) > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 05:53:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:53:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Message-ID: **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) Return-path: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Full-name: JWoesvra Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:26:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 spoilers To: LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain This got bounced back so I am sending it again. In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:21:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra writes: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:41:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Hi Jack, I've been trying to find our SVRA contact. Guess you're it. Perhaps I'm the only one who doesn't know what to expect at Watkins Glen, but please explain... Are we going to be running Triumph only run groups and races [open to all comers] thru-out the event? If I'm going to run a open Triumph group, I would want to run 205/50 Hoosier SM's but if I'm in group 3 I'll need to run 205/60 Speedsters - just a example of what I [we?] need to know.>> To run in Group 3 you will need 60 series tires with a minimum of 2/32 tread. If Triumphs run the entire event as a stand-alone group, would my racer girlfriend Connie be able to campaign the car in group 3? I didn't see any provision for 1 car/2 drivers on the entry form - any discount?>> We probably won't have a stand alone TR group the whole time. However, there is an enduro and you could also run in Group 8. Haven't yet gotten to SVRA's safety section, but can I run with a fire bottle or do I need a onboard fire "system".>> We only require a hand-held extinguisher. Actually, I would like it if we ran strictly group 3 rules - I would likely be one of the few western cars that would qualify [please keep this boast between us!] - would have to swap out my 'glass bonnet but at least I could get to use my vented rotors. But that's not in the spirit of the Kastner Cup.>> I will give you a one race waiver on the grp hood so long as you make weight. I'll look forward to hearing from you, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From malaboge at aol.com Thu Mar 20 09:35:27 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA58B727ECAD0E-F9C-C2B@webmail-nc09.sysops.aol.com> FOTer's- I'm sure plenty of us are olde enuf to recall the original Trans Am cars.? They utilized lug nuts on their Minilites that were about three inches in length and had the octagonal nut extending about two and a half of those inches.? Unfortunately, they are only threaded about one inch inside, but I have been able to chuck those puppies up in a lathe and cut the outside diameter down to whatever I needed for the OD (within reason) to fit the wheels.? If you are running any type of spacer behind the wheel, you can?shorten it just enough to make the length so that it will just approach the?hub.? They are open at the other end so whatever length stud you use can stick out.?They are still being produced.? I'm not in the shop, but ISTR that the company is in southern Cal.? Works slick!? On a new bag of cotton balls...is the top one meant to be thrown away? ??????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss To: REK46 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 20 09:48:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks for responses on OD help Message-ID: <001b01c88aa1$d1bde530$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who responded to me on the request for help with the OD. I'm following up on the suggestions and will let you know how I make out. I may not have been real clear on what I need to do. (My wife, on occasion, also says I'm sometimes not real clear on what I'm doing!!) I just have to remove the OD from the trans to fix the trans and then put the OD back on the trans. I don't have any intention of getting into the OD, at least not right now. Thanks again, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 20 09:52:53 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803201553.m2KFr1ZR039175@ns3.geneseo.net> Last call. I'm placing an order with the fab shop tomorrow for aluminum scattershields as shown on www.tonydrews.com link Jack's Parts. Price $180 plus shipping. We plan to make only the number actually ordered. Please, no complaints about commercial use of the fot list - I'm not making any money on this. It's a service to the sport. uncle jack From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 20 10:06:32 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:06:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just my 2 cents, Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? Bob T. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 20 13:13:56 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 20 13:43:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Invite from Tim Suddard to the Mitty Message-ID: Just want to remind any and all that the Mitty is coming up May 2-4. I will be running my TR3 and would like to invite all to join in on the festivities. Moss is sponsoring a beer party and dart tournament Saturday evening. Full details at: grmspeedfest.com. Thanks guys. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 14:50:42 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <07d201c88acc$10b46b40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Summit has several; pn CRR27902-5, Crager $11.69/per5 or ARE 881140, American Racing, $1.50ea. 7/16 threads. Also other nuts and wheel lugs. Also, I chucked up in my lathe the lug nuts that came with my Panasports (they were closed-ended), cut off the end, and tapped the threads clear through. That way I can use longer studs on the Good hubs I bought. (I took the advice I'd been given about stock TR6 rear hubs....not if but when they break....). Pegasus, 800 688-6946, also hus studs and lug nuts. As does JEGS. No financial interest with any of the above Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > Just my 2 cents, > > Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? > > Bob T. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 20 14:25:56 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 15:15:52 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:15:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Mar 20 16:42:36 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c88adb$b28d1340$17a739c0$@net> There are also 20+ motels in Ithaca which is 30 minutes or so from the Glen. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 20 17:03:12 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:03:12 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <20080320.190312.9172.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> I sent them an RFP for 25 rooms for FOT a couple of months ago, but never heard from them. I guess they are getting off to a good start on customer service. Joe(B) -- "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to get information on owning your own franchise. Great products. Low entry cost. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYIiqLxl9UsgEGUPDxNMTs8s nl9znpxj8JjWtxoWvv908Nyy/ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 19:49:42 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] residual pressure Message-ID: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I know that we have had some discussion about residual pressure valving in the brake master cylinders. The Girling braking sytem for the TR3 and TR4 comes stock with what Moss calls a restrictor valve - it threads into the top of the 4 or 5 way brake line connector that feeds all of the brake lines. I wonder if this is a residual pressure valve. If you will recall the TR3 uses the same master cylinder for the clutch and the brakes - which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these masters. The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Thanks Dennis DeLap From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 20 21:13:45 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:13:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20080321041317.8B390187644@autox.team.net> I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. - Tony Drews At 02:13 PM 3/20/2008, Kramer, Robert wrote: >I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we >get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 22:02:48 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:02:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. You will have your first session late Thursday. Friday follows Thursday. Then comes Saturday followed by Sunday. That is 4 days. I will try to get a provisional schedule done in a few weeks. You can stay over Monday Tony. The rest of us are going home . Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 21 00:24:42 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:24:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > I wonder if this is a > residual pressure valve. Yes, it is. > which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these > masters. That's correct. When the pushrod is fully extended, there is no provision for any remaining pressure, the output port is open to the reservoir. > The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I > am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this > restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Well, I wouldn't want the RPV (which is why I disabled the one on my TR3A many years ago). But I don't believe the TR6 master holds any residual pressure either ... AFAIK Triumph simply removed the function during the TR4 run. The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 21 06:26:48 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the >front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated >spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 21 06:47:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:27 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] residual pressure The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back >on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle >Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 21 06:53:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:53:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall><20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: If you lock up the front circurit then put more power to the rear brakes. Should have nothing to do with that residual valve. The valve is helping to avoid a long pedal feel. >I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been > struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and > I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a > Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 21 08:26:49 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:26:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday Message-ID: To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 21 09:39:08 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Amici... Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. Bill Dentinger PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 09:58:33 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:58:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch - minor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001c88b6c$6a489690$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those interested in the John Fitch saga I have added a link to the local newspaper article printed in January to my two websites. This is directly to the article: http://www.docrebuild.com/curr-evnt/currentevents-116.html These are to my two websites with links, including one to John's biography: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html I am told that legal arrangements are in the works and further progress towards a defense fund is forthcoming. We have already helped restore John's hot water through generous donation of time and talent. This is definitely a heart warming demonstration of the motorsports community stepping up. I am deeply moved. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From gp89 at charter.net Fri Mar 21 17:31:32 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080321193132.GXT8N.162041.root@fepweb04> Lets go for 100". This last blast gets us close. We already broke an old record. Jeff "makin' snowmen in Evansville" Senty ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 21 17:36:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Is there any access to power in the designated area? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 18:14:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 18:21:26 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:21:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Yeah, and it's been raining a few days on the Big Island. I think I'm getting Seasonal Affective Disorder.... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:00:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00b201c88bb8$1ff43300$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April 22-27 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 19:15:12 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:15:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:18:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: Message-ID: <000a01c88bba$a51e3f60$0202a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..Go for it Pal...Have Huge Fun! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: SMITH1127 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 19:18:39 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. Ernie the Eskimo Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:41:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c88bbd$cf490c90$0202a8c0@Bud> DON'T DO IT....Bill will just use the ice to chill Mai Tai's Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today > and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them > the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. > > Ernie the Eskimo > > Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got > coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Mar 21 05:14:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:14:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Message-ID: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... (sorry I couldn't resist) S Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > Is there any access to power in the designated area? > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: > > Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a > few weeks. That should answer a few questions. > > For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made > to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality > Tent > in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. > > The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard > surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST > COME but > if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. > > SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done > for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some > niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the > experience. > > Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, > wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do > this..... > > Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... > > Joe Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 20:40:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:40:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: So the thing with Watkins Glen is the highly variable pit accommodations. You can be in a very handy spot or on the far end of east nowhere. I never DID find Dentinger last year. I'm going to be pitting with Tony Garmey since he's bringing Peyote, but if I was bringing Nero i'd want to be right where i was last year--behind the garages in the non-reserved RV spaces. Power, water, and all that good stuff. Of course if you're staying in a hotel it's not that big a deal. I think Tony has us in some fleabag, knowing his sensibilities. There's a minor chance I'll actually be in an Airstream. Diane and I are looking at a Bambi for doing surf safaris up and down the east and west coasts. Timing might work out for a little long distance paddle for charity with my brother and a bunch of his friends--22 miles from Plymouth to Provincetown (this stand up paddle surfing thing is really taking off). then watkins Glen. Then maybe go down the east coast to do some late season surfing, and a little leaf-peeping in New England. I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot like having the Huns come to visit. On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp > each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... > (sorry I couldn't resist) > S Preiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Moore" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > >> Is there any access to power in the designated area? >> Russ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> N197TR4 at cs.com >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday >> >> To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: >> >> Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to >> us in a >> few weeks. That should answer a few questions. >> >> For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are >> being > made >> to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA >> Hospitality >> Tent >> in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY >> ONLY. >> >> The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and >> hard >> surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space >> is FIRST >> COME but >> if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. >> >> SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he >> has > done >> for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find >> some >> niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the >> experience. >> >> Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get >> acquainted, >> wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time >> to do >> this..... >> >> Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 21:36:44 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:36:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <4573846E-143E-406D-A6E0-86BBCBBB5435@earthlink.net> Message-ID: ************Gunna' sacrifice a Spridget or something? I thought the bog was a thing of the past. >> >> I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home >> (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at >> Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might >> happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot >> like >> having the Huns come to visit. >> >> On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: >> >>> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp >>> each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... >>> (sorry I couldn't resist) **************If I'm going to get 150hp I will need to be plugged into something! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 22 11:14:31 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:14:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg From westerneagleracing at att.net Sat Mar 22 13:25:57 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:25:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: <032220081925.21015.47E55D44000DD46C0000521722216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> -------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" : -------------- Racer Bud, See you at CSRG at Infineon with my new head gasket. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing > Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April > 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April > 22-27 > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > > > > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Amici... > >> > >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > >> TRIUMPH > >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > >> > >> Bill Dentinger > >> > >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > >> get to > >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > >> tomorrow night. > >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > >> Easter everyone. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > >> on AOL > >> Home. > >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 20:05:57 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly References: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <07d701c88c8a$700ec210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try Goodson, 800 533-8010. They sell parts and supplies for engine rebuilders and I know they have shims in various sizes and thicknesses. Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (on the way to Watkins Glen if you're coming from the west). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly > What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have > not seen any for sale? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 23:07:15 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 07:22:57 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: Redline makes some good lubricants, but you can't just add it, you have to replace it. Transmissions don't want to be too slippery or the synchros may not grab. Be careful of what you add to the oil Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "jim hearn" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 08:57:13 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:57:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <001101c88cf6$32032710$6402a8c0@HOME> I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 11:28:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: how do you give the synchros more spring tension? Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 12:18:26 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:18:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Doesn't that just make the holding of each gear more firm? How does that put more pressure on the synchro ring? Isn't the preussre on the synchro ring regulated by the shift lever? Maybe I'm a transmision dummie and can't see it. Charly Mitchel From: "Randall" Date:Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:50 AM To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Attachments: (none) HTML | Plain Text | Header | Raw Content Put shims under the springs that push the balls out of the shift hub. When you shift, the sleeve pushes the hub against the rings, which in turn forces the rings against the cones, providing the synchro action. More force means faster synchro action. Randall ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 12:29:40 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:29:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <004f01c88d13$e3fbbc80$6402a8c0@HOME> This is right Charly, more spring tension does hold the synchro more firm but this is an issue for coasting at low speed. At racing speed you are happy about the good lever control. Cheers Chris From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Mar 23 12:30:04 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <47E6A1AC.7040103@charter.net> Tim I ordered a set from S&S about 1 1/2 years ago and they delivered. It took awhile and they were $4.75ea at the time. For that price they were very accommodating. Try contacting Steve or Sue Bonk @ 847-255-2176. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and too many TR's Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > >> http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ >> >> Here is a US supplier >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of >> REK46 at aol.com >> Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] wheel studs >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in >> the >> states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x >> 1 >> 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy >> in >> AZ, >> but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick >> >> >> >> ************** >> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. >> >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 >> 0030000 >> 000001) >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gaf3 at charter.net From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 23 12:35:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 driveshaft #54 Yellow CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080323143509.5CSVX.68309.root@fepweb09> Howdee FoT! Quantum gearbox is in the GT6, sans the T50 Toyota : ( My stock driveshaft won't go in without squeezing it in with the yolk totally compressed. Forum question is, how much should I shorten the driveshaft. Rumor was Bob Davis moved the engine back about 1/2". The gearbox does set on the very back of the stock rear mount, the rubber mounts are tweaked a little bit.. i.e. it is not a straight mounting right down to the rear support. Moving the engine foward does not seem to be an option. The water pump is within 1/2" of the Griffin radiator. I'm thinking shorten 1" AT LEAST... what is the view of the forum. Kindest regards, Happy Motoring.... Bobby Whitehead From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Mar 23 13:34:12 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:34:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. Bill From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 23:15:33 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:15:33 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c88ca4$ebf61f80$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I have been using straight 30W with no additives at the recommendation of John Esposito from Quantum Mechanics, who rebuilt the transmission and overdrive units. After a somewhat balky beginning, the box has become very nice to shift and quiet in operation. The A-type OD engages strong and smooth. However, the oil does not stay in. In fact it leaks even when TR3 is sitting cold and idle. So, question I have is, is this a good choice for break in, and not for ongoing use? As the car is run on the street, I would hate to lose track of the oil level and burn the thing up! Any advice? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 23 17:03:58 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <003501c88d3a$2f993b10$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I too have had success with just straight GL-4. It is hard to find these days. I get mine at Car Quest. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Mar 23 21:11:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:11:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <20080323.231123.8146.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> I went to the machine shop that I use with a head and went thru his assortment of valve shims until I found the diameters that fit. I shim mine about 0.080 to 0.100 to inches and at that height the spring will slide out of the seat pockets. I buy some seats with a retainer (on the inside) and then machine them on my lathe to fit the seat pocket. This keeps everything in place nicely. Joe(B) -- "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Keep your home running smoothly with great home automation solutions! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqW8fV4pxqpPOaxa0XYMCK0CI esknqXSEx4WghOAegHkiRcHQ/ From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 24 14:33:14 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 24 15:20:39 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the bottle. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GL-4 I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:28:35 2008 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:28:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: Art, we get GL-4 from our local supplier, it's a Pennzoil product, we get it in 5 gallon pails. The product number is 4804, there is a number on the side for consumer info 1-800-990-9811, maybe there is somebody in your area that carries it. Matt Matt Bakes Triumph Rescue (610) 845 - 8217 _www.TriumphRescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) British Wiring, Inc. 866-461-9050 _www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/) 617 Walnut St. Bally, PA. 19503 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 24 15:35:17 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: <200803242135.m2OLZLoa430930@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been in contact with the Product Manager of the Division of Rogers Corporation, who makes the material named Nytorophyl. This material is used for high volume floats current production car floats, the volume of which is tens of thousands per part number. I've sent him a photo and drawing of the H6 floats and described the problem to him, and asked for his help. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. I hope the request doesn't fall to the bottom of the pile on a busy desk, as so often happens. The material is not available in rods or bars, which would have been ideal. It may be available in flats but apparently is not available in flats of the thickness required to make a float in one piece. I told him that if we can even find some floats already commercially available that could be carved into our shape, we could do that at least for the racers among us who use the H6 (TR3) style carbs. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. When you guys were first talking about this problem I visualized it as a problem experienced by racers only. It turns out that the problem is more widespread -- our major Triumph parts suppliers have seen sales of these floats in big numbers over the years. Although sales numbers and time periods are proprietary numbers that are fairly closely guarded, I'm led to believe that a couple thousand floats over several years is the general ballpark for our entire TR population. I hope that a means of manufacturing these can be found that would justify the effort. uncle jack From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:50:52 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: Jack... Thank you for your efforts. It's great to know your mind is on 'stuff' like this. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Mar 24 17:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Mar 24 22:44:04 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I had great difficulty finding here is Australia well. After a lot of investigation I found that most of the major manufacturers (Shell, Caltex, Mobil etc.) have stopped making GL-4. They consider it to be a superseded product which GL-5 now encompasses. That is, until you mention the corrosive and tarnishing aspects of GL-5 on Bronze. Then the back down and say that maybe it is quite compatible! However, I did find two things: - 1. People like TOYOTA are bottling GL-4 in their own bottles available at dealerships as an OEM, as fair few Toyota vehicle models still call for GL-4. 2. Royal Purple make it and that's what I used. Cheers.... Peter Vucinic TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2008 10:50 AM To: riverside Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL 4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au __________ NOD32 2969 (20080324) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 08:33:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used A.R.E, Aluminum TR4 TR4A Front Engine Plate Available Message-ID: FoT Offered here first..... Absolutely perfect! 'Used' only in the sense that it was installed and run in one of my TR4 Engines. Sold on your approval.......checked for flatness. No scraping of timing chain tensioner. (on any of my installations) Check in on this....will ship right away. Thanks! Joe A From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 14:29:44 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 25 16:33:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> References: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: Kubota Tractor, 3cyl diesel, I think... At least that what it was for, for mine, which is a 3 wire application (yet to be figured out) Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Russ Moore wrote: I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 19:46:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:46:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Rolling Chassis Available In Iowa Message-ID: FoT List First: I have been supporting the restoration of a TR3A in Forest City, Iowa for the past 2-3 years. (Retired School Superintendent) I found an excellent tub on an excellent chassis for him. The chassis was better than what he had, but he was too far into his original chassis. So now that the TR3A is essentially done he wants to sell the rolling chassis. I told him I would put the word out. If anyone has a need for an excellent TR3A chassis let me know. Delivery is possible, especially west to Colorado or Wyoming by end of May. Let me know in the next few days before I go to the 'big TR list'. BTW, he also has 14" wire wheels with new tires...fits MG or Triumph. Thanks, Joe From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Mar 25 20:19:54 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious whatever-it-is. He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the street. E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? Fred Hodgson From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 26 00:39:45 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:39:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 05:19:20 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573398.92128.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second another corner worker. Doug --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > illustrious whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > III Spit on the street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 08:56:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:56:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chassis Sold to FoT. Message-ID: Cancel that chassis offer.....thanks. Joe A From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed Mar 26 09:09:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <032620081509.9943.47EA67200005BFC8000026D722230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Sounds like another Colorado guy. I'll third. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second another corner worker. > > Doug > > --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > > > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > > illustrious whatever-it-is. > > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > > III Spit on the street. > > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > > > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 09:27:52 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:27:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 10:07:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:07:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 9:28:29 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher > > was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us > > are just half fast.) > Amici... I too enjoyed that article. It is well done and gives a feel for the tremendous scope of a 24 Hour Endurance effort. Ted's constant use of the collective pronoun 'we' rings true and helps describe how many hands are needed to be successful in endurance racing. Of course the racers are important, but so too that crew and team. The panoramic picture of the 'TS' team shows how just how many people were involved in supporting that effort (rivals the population of Rhode Island). The article also includes a great photo of Mike Cook, driving a lowly TR7 and getting ready to lap Ted in the TR8 (yet again). Kidding! After the smoke cleared, both cars placed in their respective classes. Ted's TR8 took 3rd, and Mike's TR7 took 2nd. Seems like I remember Ted speaking at an early North American Triumph Challenge event either before or after that race. Ah yes...the good old days. Bill Dentinger PS...the back cover sure looks like the old Roadster I once owned (KTF 469). It was lipstick red when I owned it. A sacrilege, but not something I had done. The guy I sold it to put a TON of money into a professional restoration, and it was drop dead gorgeous the next time I saw it. Sure looks like the same car. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 11:14:02 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839109.2859.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Join the VTR and other model specific groups. The cost of membersip isn't much and such groups can have a huge impact on event organizers, vendors and manufacturers; plus another source to stay up with what is happening in the world of Triumphs. My $0.02. Ernie N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 26 11:14:08 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080326.111409.2528.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I will support that nomination. Robert is involved in many aspects of Triumph, and English cars & Sportscars in general. Great addition. Bill On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Fred & Mary Hodgson writes: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious > whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the > street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 26 11:48:55 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:48:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c88f69$ac84edf0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Joe and all FOTers, Our local Houston club, the Texas Triumph Register, has about 150 family memberships with 50 or more very active members. We are almost all members of the VTR along with our club's membership. I happen to know that the officers are very much in favor of supporting all types of racing and anything or event that has a Triumph of any kind in it. Of course, there are a few clubs out there that have a few members wanting nothing more than to roll there trailer-queens off the trailer and show them, win a trophy, and carry it home and look at it like a coffee table. Because that's not what I choose to do, doesn't make it wrong. The TRA, Stag Club, Six Pack, FOT, Vintage Triumph Register, or whatever club has Triumphs belonging to it needs to make room for all types of events for all types of people with different interests in driving, showing, touring, and restoring. All of us benefit in some way for each of the national clubs having this variety within our hobby. An excellent restoration, for example, that sells for the big bucks at an auction, increases the value of all our cars; just as being able to show a prospective Triumph buyer the race results from Watkins Glen, and showing him or her the photos of a similar Triumph still being raced will help to complete the deal and gain another younger person interested in triumphing. The survival of our hobby depends on all us staying strong in number, which means getting younger members interested in one or more of a variety of events. FOT not wanting a formal organization is actually refreshing, because it works great as long as our computer guru Mark stays on top of things in Utah. But banding together in a larger more formal organization will no doubt help us count members and be a more influential tribe of hobbyists. For an anti-establishment guy, that's the best "I have a dream speech" I can use to explain my view. Sorry for it being so long. Don Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:28 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:01:10 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:01:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of your points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and autocross a race prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit from my FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many ways, and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT organization. For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in historically significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I have purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission number TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, and the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has always been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of history restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, I'm faced with ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our family, and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. It would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the choice among all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be best for TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for the celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph for all persons interested in the marque. Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in September at Watkins Glen. Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Mar 26 13:47:20 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09480 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 13:54:29 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay In-Reply-To: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <782C0A9C-B94F-4355-B391-E3569FCB07EA@charter.net> I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] > Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just > showed up. > Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR- > RACE_W0QQitemZ3 > 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > m > > If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09480 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a > name of rtCurve.gif] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 14:05:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:05:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town From TomD4760 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:13:49 2008 From: TomD4760 at aol.com (TomD4760 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Answers the question that should never have been asked: Triumph convertible with Harley Davidson features


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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:17:10 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > > > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From igofaster at charter.net Wed Mar 26 14:27:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Newbie opens a can of worms... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080326162705.JY7DY.24961.root@fepweb16> I've been informed that my last post may have rubbed someone on the forum wrong. My silly question about shortening the drive shaft and a mention that MAYBE my engine had been moved back 1/2" or so. BTW , CVAR looked at the car and several experts viewed my car plus I took side by side detailed photos of my stock GT6 side by side with my race car engine. If it was moved, you can't tell it. So, I understand some people want to cheat to win the $8.00 trophy at the end of the season, that's fine. All I'm doing is trying to comply with CVAR and their requests to have the car run in vintage gear, sans the beloved Toyota T50. I'm the guy who starts in last place, and I don't mind finishing in last place. I just want to have fun with a nicely preparred Triumph GT6+. I don't want to break, crash, or spin... I just want to have fun... now, if you have trouble lapping me, I may hold out and press the right pedal a little harder but if you can pass, you will. I'm old skool in my bones, newbie in the race car and the forum. If I offended someone here because they have a cheater car, really sorry, just trying to learn from the forum, after all, in my opinion, we may go fast, at times, but it is really more of an exhibition, not 200 mph racing..... Bobby Whitehead #54 YELLOW CVAR 1970 GT6+ From kaskas at cox.net Wed Mar 26 14:43:36 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: Message-ID: <00a401c88f82$165af7c0$d214c548@RW> Moon covers are great as long as you only hit the brakes about twice a lap, cause if you try for more you'll have NONE. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > >> > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. >> > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: >> > >> >> For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town >> > > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 15:36:55 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My 58 TR3 is something like this except for the Harley stuff. Well it does have a Harley fishtail muffler on it. On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:13 PM, TomD4760 at aol.com wrote: > Answers the question that should never have been asked: > Triumph > convertible with Harley Davidson features >


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> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 15:48:08 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as California real estate! Kurt O. >From: Jeff Snook >Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay >[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > >Jeff Snook >http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > >E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >Database version: 5.09480 >http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 16:01:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006901c88f8c$fa633c20$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> right now it's a lot better than California real estate. Which prompts the question - does the collector car market go backwards anytime soon? I'm not talking about our lowly $10,000 TRs, but the $100,000 muscle cars and the $250,000 Maseratis. Between the economy and concerns about global warming, it's due for a correction. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my > rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as > California real estate! > > Kurt O. > >>From: Jeff Snook >>Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > >>[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >>Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >>Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >>30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 >> >> >> >>Jeff Snook >>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> >>E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >>Database version: 5.09480 >>http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of >>rtCurve.gif] >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 16:14:00 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:14:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: I'm guessing good examples of European sports cars will continue to increase in value, especially those cars owned in the US with the continuing falling dollar. American muscle cars have already started their correction, downward. A Sports Car Market Magazine article recently compared a diversified classic car collection with the performance of the Dow over 10 years. The car collection won hands down, but the fine print was that the fiscal performance did not include the cost of storage, maintenance, or insurance. Hey, I'd rather turn a wrench on a nice Triumph in a comfortable garage than know I've got a stock certificate sitting in some safety deposit box. And as long as Grundy Worldwide still writes in Hawaii, insurance is not that big an issue. Let long term investments be fun investments, and maybe die broke? Aloha, Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 18:28:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:28:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: List, I was in my storage garage....and looked in a box. I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies..... It turns out they are in decent condition. If you would like to carry a spare...or want to avoid a rebuild...contact me. Otherwise, next stop, eBay. Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Mar 26 18:48:25 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Comments interspaced below... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? > Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of > your > points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any > meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and > autocross a race > prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit > from my > FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many > ways, > and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT > organization. > > For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand > it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in > historically > significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I > have > purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission > number > TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, > and > the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer > queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has > always > been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of > history > restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. > > Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, At one time back in the 70s and 80s there was an active Triumph club in Hawaii. Linda and I were on vacation in Honollulu in '84 and we linked up with the club as they happened to have a meeting the week we were there. I seem to recall one of the members was a guy named John Schrum. > I'm faced with > ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our > family, > and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. > It > would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles > like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the > choice among > all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or > conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be > best for > TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for > the > celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph > for all > persons interested in the marque. With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). While there may not be a specific Triumph club with a local chapter in Hawaii, odds are there may be a local AACA chapter. As to the charter/mission of VTR, ours has always been to encourage the ownership, preservation AND operation of all Triumph automobiles. If you ever get the chance to attend a VTR national convention, you'll find we have a mandatory "driving event" requirement for all vehicles entered in the concour. That "requirement" was instituted back in 1981 and has been in place ever since. > Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in > September at Watkins Glen. > > Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii Linda and I will be at the Glen also with our 95% original 61 TR-3A. We stay at the nearby KOA campground. The Glen is a great venue for the vintage races. We have been going for about 10 years now and only missed a couple of times. Cheers, Bill Sohl Past President, VTR 1983-1990 From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 19:18:00 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:18:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/08 4:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies.. >> I have a sizable stack of these in a plastic box on the shelf. One of these days, I will have to count them. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 20:20:39 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last minute prep Message-ID: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> So today I was out in the shop doing the last bit of prep work on my Spitfire in anticipation of the opening SCCA regional at Portland this weekend. Opened the shop door so I could fire up the car, and lo and behold it's snowing. I'm only 25 miles and a few hundred feet higher than PIR. Ya gotta love this Pacific NW weather. I can't tell you how many times I've sat on pregrid with two slicks and two rain tires on the car waiting to make that last minute decision. From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 20:43:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:43:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:48:50 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, billsohl at optonline.net writes: With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). Thanks, Bill. I am a member of VTR and TRA, and am familiar with the Hawaii Chapter of the Antique Car Club of America. I appreciate your thoughts. Aloha. Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 13:38:25 2008 From: twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net (Twin Pine Restoration) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Mar 26 21:00:21 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> References: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> Message-ID: <47EB0DC5.20704@141.com> Russ, Kubota tractors used those alternators. I bought one for Susan's spitfire and after we got it I went to the junk yard and compared and found that there are a LOT of alternators in the junkyards that are the same. I think the Geo Metro is one that had an identical alternator. Typically about $35 or so from the junk yard. Brad Twin Pine Restoration wrote: > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 26 22:06:33 2008 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:06:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Tom: That's my buddy Steve (AKA "The Crook") I bought the #357 TR4 from! Cheers! Mark 62 RMVR TR4 #357 64 SCCA Spitfire #42 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 23:16:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 23:18:31 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? What about just unplugging the stock alternator? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 27 00:25:10 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:25:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets Message-ID: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? For example: Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. Groove Our price: $ 28.95 Type: Product Availability: Available Qty: Buy now | Add to wishlist | Add to favorites Ask a question | Email to a friend | Print SKU: MAN-13051-8 Manufacturer: Manley Mfg part #: 13051-8 Be the first to review this product. Write a review Description: Specifications: Valve Stem Installed Height Groove Type Weight per Pair .3110" Standard Bead Loc. 8.2 gr * Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish * Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. * Highest quality alloy steel. * Thicker for greater strength. * Sold in pairs of 8. Shipping cost: These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. Thanks, Greg [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 27 04:46:47 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 27 04:56:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: If you're going to use electronic ignition of any sort you'd be better of with an alternator, the 14 volts you wind up with is appreciated and expected by the electronics. As a guy who runs points for just that reason I still think about an alternator occasionally as being one less thing I need to worry about in the pits. Forgetting to make sure your battery is fully charged can be a bitch sometimes. And what are you doing up at this hour Susan. It's one AM here in Hawaii, but i woke up after having a bit too much port tonight. Cigars and a long talk with an old friend--now I'm paying the price. On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:46 AM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an > alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This > one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also > ran > better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put > the > proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > jim hearn wrote: >> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? >> What about just unplugging the stock alternator? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of >> Russ Moore >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' >> Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? >> >> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso >> alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many >> have >> started using for race applications. What was that application? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still > writing Pig on my checks. ** > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 06:01:41 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:16 AM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 06:02:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A86@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> The path we are heading down in CVAR will have us running Lucas alternators before long or you will lose the points anyway. The Geo Metro apporach isn't period correct. Ugh. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:47 AM To: jim hearn Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 27 07:19:06 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets In-Reply-To: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <200803271319.m2RDJEfS487318@ns3.geneseo.net> Ken Gillanders at BFE sells titanium keepers. Very nice, very strong, won't break the bank. At 01:25 AM 3/27/2008, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can >we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? > >For example: > > > > >Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. >Groove > >Our price: $ 28.95 > >Type: Product >Availability: Available > >Qty: Buy now | > Add to wishlist | > Add to favorites > > >cnc-motorsports.com/product%2Easp%3FProdID%3D14891%26CtgID%3D14888> Ask >a question | Email to a friend | > Print > > > > > >SKU: MAN-13051-8 >Manufacturer: Manley >Mfg part #: 13051-8 >Be the first to review this product. > >Write a review >Description: >Specifications: > >Valve Stem >Installed Height >Groove Type >Weight per Pair > >.3110" >Standard >Bead Loc. >8.2 gr > >* Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish >* Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. >* Highest quality alloy steel. >* Thicker for greater strength. >* Sold in pairs of 8. >Shipping cost: >These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. > >Thanks, > >Greg > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a >name of image001.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 07:53:49 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:53:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From rhlamp at babcock.com Thu Mar 27 07:59:33 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38085@barbpo3.bwes.net> I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:54 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00 030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:02:50 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:02:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Still have it. Start on it next when the Tiger is done in a few weeks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:23:24 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <8CA5E2D4047E68E-5F8-36D6@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. ==AM== I'm at work, and my jug of Sta-Lube is in the garage at home, so I can't double-check. But I'm pretty sure that it does say GL-4 right on the jug. Funny thing, though: some NAPA stores don't stock it and will look at you as if you had the proverbial two heads when you ask for GL-4; others will say "right over there on the shelf"! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 08:52:29 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 02 sensor locations In-Reply-To: <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> References: <49f668fe0803270604mde0a8bfo614243ab473a8d5d@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803270752x1e7584b0w7ed3c19700b09916@mail.gmail.com> I have a pacesetter header [again, really liked the one from Kingston in England, but no time to get one this time]. The wide band O2 sensor is mounted on top of the collector -- just after the pipes all come together. This is a heated sensor. It is hooked to an Innovate wide band meter -- LM-1. This is a recording device also. I also got an LM-3 axillary box. This allows me to record the rpms [from the Crane ignition]. The LM-3 has a built in MAP sensor, so I have hooked the PI vacuum to it. Hope to have the car running this weekend. With this setup I can read MAP, RPM and O2 so can get the TR PI system dialed in. The devices allow 45 minutes of recording, so can capture actual run data. The Aux box also has built in linear and lateral accelerometers, so will be able to determine cornering forces and HP and Torque. A real rolling dyno of sorts. Results to follwo. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Joseph Grant wrote: > John, > > You need to mount the sensors as close to the manifold as possible. This > is > why: in order for the sensors to come online, they need to heat up. The > sooner they come online the quicker an FI PCM goes into closed loop. Are > you running FI on your engine or are you hooking the o2 sensors to one of > those meters that show the air/fuel ratio? Either way, the sensors need > to > heat up quickly before they can start giving proper readings. > > Don't dismiss my answer. The engine in my TR6 is indeed FI, with handmade > headers. The O2 sensors are mounted on the very top of the collector. > Click on the following link: http://www.bowtie6.com/repairs/cam54.jpg and > that shows a pic of the engine in my TR6. You can see on the extreme > bottom > the header on the passenger side. You can see the O2 sensor sticking up > from the top of the collector. > > In your case, I realize the bung cannot be welded on the top of the > exhaust > manifold like I did on mine. However, the O2 sensor can be placed on the > pipe that attaches to the end of the manifold. > > Joe > '72 TR6 - CC77169 > http://www.bowtie6.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John > North > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 09:04 > To: Triumph 6 Pack > Subject: [6pack] 02 sensor locations > > Where is the best place to locate sensors... Nelson Reidell suggests > in the middle of the down pipes. I have the 76 double pipe system, > so I guess I need two sensors and a switch to get readings off both > carbs. Any suggestions or advice? > > John North > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 09:29:32 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Cooper Fitch update In-Reply-To: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <019301c8901f$5b2386e0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those of you interested, I've updated the information at: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html A bank account has been started for the Friends of Fitch at Salisbury Bank and Trust Company, and that information is included. Thank you for your support! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Mar 27 11:37:47 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:37:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head minimums Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADDE54@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Can anybody tell me where I can locate information on the minimum total thickness and minimum combustion chamber depth for Spitfire 1500 heads? I need to zip a little more off of the head surface and would rather not hit the water jacket. Scott B. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 11:59:16 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <0f7f01c89034$45f48110$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 Not according to their web site : http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 (or what's printed on the bottles I have) Their "gear oils" are rated GL-5, but generally not recommended for use in synchromesh transmissions, because they are too slippery for good synchro operation. But even so, they don't have the corrosive additive found in conventional GL-5, so should be safe for use in Triumph differentials. Randall From vanlake at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 27 16:08:56 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Google GL 4 and you will find more dealers of GL4 then you care to read. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 16:57:58 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <100e01c8905e$0027c0f0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Just for clarity, Redline's full synthetic GL-4 manual transmission lube is available both in 70W80 (MTL) and 75W90 (MT-90). Their GL-5 gear oil is available in 70W75, 75W80, 75W90, 75W140 and 80W140. http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 Randall From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Mar 27 18:16:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph.... FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse 5. Reserved downtown parking 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets. For immediate info and registration form, go to: http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. ------------ Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 27 18:37:18 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Nice promotion, Bill! I am hoping that we do a lot of advance sales of FOT/Glen Shirts and Friday will be the Official FOT Shirt Day. The Triumph Race Cars will have priority in coming to the VILLAGE, too. Not to mention Friday afternoon's, "The Legends Speak", will be a BLUE RIBBON PANEL of FOT list members. Joe A > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... > > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with > your street driven Triumph.... > > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving > event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a > Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) > > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) > 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack > 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack > 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse > 5. Reserved downtown parking > 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral > Parking area > > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES > two full race weekend WGI tickets. > > For immediate info and registration form, go to: > > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link > > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph > > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. > ------------ > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > From dkettler at powercom.net Thu Mar 27 19:37:26 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Dear FOT: I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? Thanks. Dave Kettler From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 21:44:00 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: <007e01c89085$f5efe950$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I've had good luck with the Eastwood caliper paint - bead blast to bare metal first. It's holding up on my front claipers after a few years and the usual drips from bleeding ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kettler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I > use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a > solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other > solution? > > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:22:48 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take all day by itself. Last year during TRA we did laps of The Glen in our TR3s and TR4s. Some Numbskull way up front couldn't keep up with the pace car and the laps for us in the back were way too slow (no passing). This time, I'm lining up right behind the pace car. John H. > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so...> > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph....> > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted)> > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira)> 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack> 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack> 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse> 5. Reserved downtown parking> 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area> > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets.> > For immediate info and registration form, go to:> > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link> > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph> > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 28 09:26:04 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating In-Reply-To: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 10:07:57 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3.> > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take> all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 13:13:45 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 28 14:28:11 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Cheap Lodging... In-Reply-To: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <8CA5F29608F520E-1454-189E@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com> Not in Watkins Glen, but an easy drive, about 20 minutes away in Elmira/Horseheads. Motel 6. $55.95/night Mon-Thur. $59.95/night Fri-Sat. Plus tax, of course. Rich Rock From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 15:53:02 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <01dc01c8911e$188fc1e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> The room at the Hampton Inn is no longer available. Peter Bulkowski from Toronto is taking it. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Watkins Glen Room Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 28 18:02:57 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <20080328.200257.28361.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> I have had similar experiences with urethane paints. Most are somewhat resistant to brake fluids. They are also more difficult to sand, abrasive blast, etc. Be sure to wear a good respirator with fresh organic vapor cartridges or better yet a supplied air respirator when painting with urethanes. Without a respirator you may become sensitized to the Isocyanates in the hardener. This may cause a severe athsma like reaction. Once you are sensitized to it, you will react to it with any exposure. Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmmKGUUoNDFkzbumNUQKAxGW Rh3wIz9iDX0MVKgDAPT9P3HS/ From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 18:28:02 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question Message-ID: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 versus GL-5, etc. for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? I see non-synthetic StaLube is GL-4 and so is a version of Redline gear oil. It doesn't seem like they could be equal if judging by nothing else but price. Does it just say that both are adequate for this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? Thanks for any clarification, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 28 19:04:40 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <127001c89138$ddfeab70$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. > for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? As I understand it, the concern is an "extreme pressure" (EP) additive that contains sulfur. As the additive does it's job of protecting gear surfaces after the normal oil film has broken down, it also deteriorates and eventually forms sulfuric acid. (This is also what gives old gear oil that distinctive smell.) This acid in turn can slowly corrode surfaces made of copper alloys (collectively "yellow metal") that also rub, like synchro rings and bushings. If you've ever taken out a synchro ring that was black where it didn't rub, that is a sign it was attacked by the EP additive. Unfortunately the "GL" standards do not address this additive directly and thus different formulations can have different amounts of it. Even conventional GL4 oils have some of it, just not as much as most conventional GL5 oils. It's even possible for a GL5 oil to meet the GL4 standard, for example Valvoline Durablend gear oil. http://www.valvoline.com/products/Durablend%20Gear%20Oil.pdf (I believe Sta-Lube also used to market a conventional oil with both markings on it, but they stopped due to consumer confusion.) Also, since synthetic oils have a stronger base stock (meaning the normal oil film will hold up under more pressure), they typically do not use as much of the sulfur-based additive. Thus a synthetic GL5 should be safe for yellow metal. At least I've been running GL5 synthetic in my TR3A differential for many years now, and while the thrusts were pretty badly worn when I got it in 1982, they don't seem to have gotten any worse in all those years & miles. (This isn't what I use, just an example of a GL5 full synthetic gear oil that specifically mentions being safe for yellow metal) http://www.royalpurple.com.au/files/CIY7IBY5U1/mgearaps.pdf Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 23:28:37 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the tranny lube subject Message-ID: <000001c8915d$bde7f2e0$b1191718@computer> Sounds like StaLube is best for my TR6 tranny since it is GL-4 and I have found it at the local NAPA. It comes in 85/90 and 85/140. I race (mostly autocross) mostly in hot weather (California). I would think to use the 85/90 but is it possible that I should consider using the 85/140? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 01:29:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:29:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 29 00:49:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:49:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > ?????? http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 02:27:23 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080329072749.NYUB25784.mta9.adelphia.net@randall> > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > > > > ?????? > > http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html ??? indeed, guess it was just me that didn't get it. Oh well, apologies for the (almost) duplicate. Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 07:45:09 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 08:26:57 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines Message-ID: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Mar 29 08:59:19 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines In-Reply-To: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding them anyway. Brad BOB KRAMER wrote: > There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for > vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can > be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has > heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 09:34:21 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Message-ID: <005801c891b2$5cd99a30$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Thanks for all the responses. I'm making sure he gets the info. This may help gat another Spitfire guy on the track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 engines > Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small > journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding > them anyway. > > Brad > > > BOB KRAMER wrote: >> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for >> vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car >> can >> be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He >> has >> heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? >> >> Bob Kramer >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Mar 29 11:18:58 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 29 11:57:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:57:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then set the walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without wetting your wallboards. Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It won't be enough... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 29 12:01:51 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest you make a space for a bunch of big cardboard pieces that you can slide under the triumph! :) ~SB On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 29 12:06:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AD2920B-DD79-44A3-811E-6C7E44CD7926@bnj.com> Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift without ever using it. On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 29 12:15:31 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006401c891c8$e08f17e0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> I'd include a space to eat and sleep because when you're done she'll make you sleep there. JVV Fog 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 29 12:17:22 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2008 12:09:00 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 > percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about > adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air > compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much > space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more > practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a > look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift > without ever using it. > Amici... Having ample space is great, but as a matter of fact, no matter how large you make it...you'll fill it. 'Stuff' increases in direct proportion to the space available. Sure agree on number of outlets and outlets in the ceiling. Getting the air compressor outside addresses both a noise issue and storage. Disagree concerning the lift. Wouldn't be without one. They're great!!! Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Sat Mar 29 12:44:00 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to http://www.garagejournal.com Just about everykind of garage/workspace imaginable has been outlined and presented here, and there are tons of pictures of people's projects for you to get ideas. I've got lots of ideas I what to do on my 30x32, and the group is very helpful.... You'll end up spending hours and hours, though. There is everything from what to do with your floors for budget conscious guy to what the retired millionaire doctors are doing with their 3 building bridge- trollied complexes.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Ken Gano palm top wrote: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From VANDECARR at aol.com Sat Mar 29 13:00:19 2008 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:00:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: About 5 years ago I built a 24x40 garage built using pole barn construction. The total cost was just a few thousand more than the cost of the excavation and foundation for a conventional garage. I outside is finished in siding to match the house, it's well insulated and I heat it with a $100 portable kerosene stove. I just built the structure and then had a floating slab poured for the floor. I had them pour it flat so setting up the car's suspension is real easy. Total cost was less than half of conventional construction and looking at it you can't tell the difference. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cofrog at q.com Sat Mar 29 13:00:31 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Message-ID: I may have screwed up. I ordered some Stahl headers for my TR4A racer. It never occured to me (dummy) that the headers may be different for a TR4 than a TR4A, so I just ordered TR4 headers. Alas, they don't fit as they interfer with the upper A arm mount. I am awaiting a return call from Mr. Stahl to find out if he has templets for both cars or is one size fits all. My question is have any TR4A folks bought headers from Stahl, and if so, was it necessary to specify TR4A rather than TR4. My hope is that Stahl uses one templet for TR3 thru 4A and that the ones I have have a manufacturing error causing the misfit. If there are two templets, I may have some headers for sale soon. :-( Thank, Dan Forgey From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 13:40:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <6066004.1866641206819617970.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Ken; Give some real thought to the type of heat. I work in a shop that has heated floors. Hot water from a wall mounted boiler circlutes thru the slab and it is great. Feet are warm and everything stays warm, cars, tools, and naps on the creeper under the car are great. Dean T. >From: Ken Gano palm top >Date: 2008/03/29 Sat PM 12:18:58 CDT >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal >Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached >garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > >Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the >hobby. > >I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a >4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be >permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and >Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest >requirements. :-) > >I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design >considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial >layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am >sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet >of paper project. > >Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > >Kg > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 >10:58 AM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 29 15:16:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am interested in. The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? uncle jack From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 16:36:27 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006301c891ed$5402de90$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Couple of thoughts from my own garage - you can never have too much light. Mine is well lit by 2'x4' flourescent lights salvaged from an office space that was getting demolished Paint the floor - after ten years, I cleared out the garage one weekend and used the Griot's Garage two part epoxy paint. The place is unbelievably cleaner and brighter. The paint has held up well four years out - a few chips where I have dropped steel (driveshafts, springs, etc), but overall great Heat - I just have a natural gas fired unit heater. In Philadelphia that's enough Underfloor heat would be great but much more expensive. Depends on the climate, and if I lived in Maine or mid west, I would go for underfloor Ventilation - wish I had put an BF exhaust fan in the roof. Operable skylight is pretty good though. Insulate the roof and walls if possible, buy an insulated garage door. Put in windows for natural light - nice to have a view over your work bench! My garage has a pitched roof, so there is a loft space framed out with a plywood floor. It makes great storage space. Right now it's accessed only by a ladder but someday will have a drop down stair Best thing I did is have an I-beam put in that runs in line with one of the "car spots" over to the workbench. It has an I-beam trolley on it - with a chain hoist I can pull an engine and transmission and drop them right on my workbench. As the garage is not huge this takes up less room than the typical roll around engine hoists when you are not using them compressed air - yes, buy a two stage compressor - nothing else is adequate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 16:44:13 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:44:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Jack W. Drews wrote: > Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the > bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? > > The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One > regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so > the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am > interested in. > > The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between > the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged > filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the > oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The > problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too > low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when > something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter > and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the > expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. > > I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the > likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use > 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. > > Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could > disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the > pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full > flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? > On the better heavy-duty commercial systems, bypass oil is shunted to a second filter when the differential reaches the preset, and turns on a monitor light to indicate to the operator that the primary filter needs attention. That's probably the ideal situation, but a bit impractical for an occasionally-run vintage racer. I suppose the question would be how much differential would prevent the sort of problem Jack describes. Too much differential and the filter can load up with gradually-shed pieces which then tear through the filter media and into the system--no advantage there--along with a reduction in oil pressure at precisely when more pressure is needed to keep the engine alive. Too little and the engine is awash in unfiltered oil. As I recall, the commercial units described above have a factory preset of, depending on the system manufacturer, about 8-11 psi, although I've heard that a differential of as little as five psi indicates a fairly loaded filter (systems for heavy-duty auto transmissions, which run at pretty high pressures and volumes, seem to be preset for about 15 psi differential). What is just as important, I would guess, is knowing when the filter is bypassing. A switch grounding a light would give some indication, but for some serious testing, one might need to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the differential. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 18:54:54 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > but for some serious testing, one might need > to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the > differential. Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 18:04:40 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EED918.2090705@dfn.com> Randall wrote: >> but for some serious testing, one might need >> to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the >> differential. >> > > Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential > directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. > > This is quite true--these are available--but, I didn't suggest one because I have no idea of their cost, or their required calibration. Industrial process instrumentation tends to be more expensive than automotive grade. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 29 18:42:27 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Jim, Moss suggests Red Line 75W90 NS for non-OD Triumph transmissions and Red Line MT-90 for OD applications. I have used both with positive results. If you read the label on the MT-90, it states that it has a better coefficient of friction which supports quick synchro engagement allowing for high speed shifting - up and down. Most gear oils and motor oils are too slippery for proper synchro engagement. MT-90 is recommended for all manual transmissions that require GL-1, GL-3 or GL- 4 gear oils. It also meets gear oil viscosities SAE 75W, 80W and 90, or motor oil viscosities of SAE 40 and 10W40. Most GL- 5 gear oils contain reactive sulfur which can chemically wear synchros and shorten their life. Allen On Mar 29, 2008, at 8:45 AM, jim hearn wrote: > Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific > gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are > Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim > in Sacramento > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM > To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > >> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 >> versus GL-5, etc. > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. > > In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that > breaks > down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used > in > synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has > more > of > this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. > > However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive > itself, so > not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full > synthetic > oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; > so > many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". > > There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is > Valvoline > Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more > _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests > or > put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a > conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but > they > don't any more. > >> Does it just say that both are adequate for >> this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? > > I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or > GL5. > In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than > either > GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 19:37:29 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <007201c89206$9e231ee0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> List, I use non detergent 30 wt. from Autozone in all my TR transmissions. Works just fine. Reccommeded by John Esposito of Quantumechanics. If there's a difference between this lube and all the more exotics, I believe I'll be long gone before some future owner of my cars discovers it. Ed Woods From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Mar 29 20:49:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:49:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: This is what I am now using: Amsoil Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube (MTG): SAE 75W-90 API GL-4 The bumpf reads, Designed ro meet the special requirements of certain manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides improved internal component protection. Formulated with extreme pressure additives and advanced synchromesh qualities that provide smooth shifts while protecting gears, bearings and seals. Non-corrosive to yellow metals. Recommended for manual transmissions and transaxles that require 75W-85, 75W-90 or 80W-90 viscosities and any of the following performance specifications: API GL-4 and MT-1, ZF TE-ML 02B, 16A, 17A and 19A, Chrysler MS-9070, MAN 341 ML. Recommended for use in NV 4500 transmissions and replaces GM part # 12346190 and Chrsler part # 4874459. Meets GL-4 specifications required by some models of Acura, Hyundai, Infiniti, Kia, Land Rover, Lexus, Mazda, Mitsubishi-Fuso and Zetor. Ideal for muscle car transmissions including Muncie, Borg-Warner, Saginaw, Ford Toploader, Dearborn and New Process. Also recommended for Gear Vendors Gear Splitters. I hope that helps Leon not an Amsoil dealer, just a customer. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 07:23:38 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ken, I recommend the heated floor as a priority for your new mahal. The shops I have been that have it, were quite comfortable even heat. Here in the midwest, sweating floors are a problem in spring. Heated floors prevent that. It is quiet safe heat too. It is a simple system employing a household hot water heater and circulation pump. Use lots of insulation in the walls and ceiling. And, be sure to cover the insulation on the inside with a plastic vapor barrier. Also, being an auto technician for some 45 years this September, I can assure you working under a lift the last 10 has been more pleasant than getting up and down off a creeper after having had to jack the car up an safely place it on jack stands. If you can't put it in your budget now, at least pour the reinforced location in the floor for one in the future. Get a BIG air compressor and place it outside the working area even it it means a separate little hut on the back or side out of sight. They are noisey. Pipe in the air to multiple locations and use moisture traps. That's my Two cents worth. Ken Suhre --- Ken Gano palm top wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an > unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a > respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are > modest. It needs to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall > enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district > zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I > said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as > to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to > include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and > construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise > this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - > Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 09:53:26 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:53:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803300853l6b21cdb3jb5acfd1721b36827@mail.gmail.com> In the latest edition of SOVREN's "Vintage Drift" our local vintage race orgs magazine there is a full page add from a business called RaceHouse Design. Lawren Duncan in Bend Oregon. WWW.racehousedesign.com Maybe they do consulting or idea selling also? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Ken Gano palm top < triumphs at consolidated.net> wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed it s time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Mar 30 10:31:56 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:31:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <000401c89283$8b655520$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Ken, You got some great advice, for sure. Not sure where Babcock is coming from giving a thumbs down on the lift, though! I doubt I would be enjoying racing nearly as much without mine. Bill must be in better shape than me to want to climb under cars. Must be all that stand up paddle boarding... :-) I went with the pre-engineered steel building, it was even made in your neck of the woods. Mine's a Morton. Was significantly cheaper than having a contractor build me a building. Here's what I learned about steel buildings. They have come a long way on design and asthetics. Don't dismiss the idea because you think they will be ugly. Don't skimp on roof insulation, it's loud when it rains! Pay attention to the slope of the roof, if/when the snow load slides off if is a pain to clean up. Radiant in-floor heat is worth every penny spent. In New England a hot water heater was not enough BTU's to heat my shop, I use an LP gas-fired wall mounted furnace. I only insulated and heat half of my 36X38 building. No reason to heat parts storage, IMHO. I scored store shelving from a closed store in a strip shopping center. Very strong, and the landlord was happy to have me remove it for free. Saved them the expense of having it trashed. Have fun! Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device -----Original Message----- From: Ken Gano Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 30 10:37:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:37:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... Message-ID: Amici... One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and remember it well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race scenes are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the period. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 11:21:17 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Funny you mention it. I just broke ground on my own 40'x30'x12' garagemahal this Friday. I spent a lot of time designing it and reading garagejournal. Here are my personal preferences: - insulated 6" thick concrete floor, 4,000 psi, with 10" footings beneath the lift posts. Use hard shake when the concrete is floated; this hardens the concrete (like nitriding) so that it will not chip or stain. Better then paint which is a maintenance item and needs to be redone like any paint. Includes floor drains. I am in New Mexico so it does not get cold enough for radiant heat. - don't know if Babcock is smoking Maui-waui, but a 2-post lift is a MUST. I've used them for years and just the simple expedient of raising the car 2 feet to work on the engine will have your back thanking you for years. I have ordered a Mohawk 10,000 lb lift, which is sufficient for the 3/4 ton Silverado. - I have ordered 2 insulated 12'x10' roll-up doors. Expensive as hell (each as much as the lift), but ordinary garage doors intrude too much into air space in the garage. - Doors face south, I have many windows on the northern wall. It is vital to have adequate flow-through insulation during the summer. - stick-built, insulated and stucco-finished walls are not much more expensive than a insulated steel building. I am working on a budget of $45/sq ft, and that is for the complete building, permits, electrical etc. - for lighting, I am using four 2'x4' skylights and eight T8 8' flourescent lights. T8 technology is instant start, zero flicker and work at sub-zero temperatures. 8' is a whole lot cheaper than 4'. - power is 200 amps, including 220V single phase line. I cannot ever see my self needing 3-phase. Wall plugs will be mounted at 4' off the ground. All my work benches have power-strips built-in. - you can pick up used pallet shelving damned cheap, and this is the best way to make lofts and heavy-duty storage. - I'll be running airline through the walls. I have a 2-stage 80 gallon compressor which does not bother me much (150K miles on a megaphoned Guzzi took care of my hearing) so it will stay inside with me, but I will build a closet for it. - We have more cooling days than heating days in NM, so I am using a pro-panel roof, in white. That will make it more pleasant during the summer. The only con is that I do not have any water or bathroom. The former is solved by a bucket, and the latter by the 120,000 acres of national forest on 3 sides of our property. I'll be posting pictures and a blog to garagejornal. I'll let you know the link when I have some more pics to show. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 30 12:29:35 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 30 13:11:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:11:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Welcome Back Mark Louck! (GT6R Le Mans Replica) Message-ID: Mark Bradakis, please reinstate Mark Louck after being gone for a couple of years. Mark Louck openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net Mark is from Rochester, NY and is going to join us for the Kastner Cup event at the Glen. Mark is only 86 Miles away from the Glen and offers up his fab shop for emergency repairs or secure storage. His GT6 is ready to go and he plans to chase the FAST and THE FASTER up front. Welcome Mark Back! Joe A From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 30 15:50:07 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:50:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 30 19:30:53 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Mar 30 19:59:02 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:59:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm sure the one-liners will peel off from this... Message-ID: <47F04566.9040306@dfn.com> ... as easily as strips of rubber from an overheated tire: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3649197.ece I wonder if Mr. Mosley will say that he was just doing private research on the best instrument for measuring in-tank fuel temperature? :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 31 06:43:42 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:43:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> References: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <000601c8932c$db272940$6e01a8c0@richardiipc> Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire toilet floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tarch at bellsouth.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 07:55:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:55:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/30/2008 3:50:21 PM Central Standard Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is > finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the > lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. > Another added option to fixed light fixtures is 'task lighting'. Not very expensive. Various options available a Construction Tool suppliers. AND it is easy to take it along to the track. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 08:41:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, tarch at bellsouth.net writes: > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > toilet > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to get it out. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 10:09:17 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now your making the assumption that it was IN in the first place. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 -0400> To: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] return of garagemahal> > In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, > tarch at bellsouth.net writes:> > > > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > > toilet> > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall> > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands.> > > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to > get it out.> > Bill (Damdinger)> > > > > > **************> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home.> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&> ncid=aolhom00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Mar 31 10:26:52 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Return of the Garage Mahal Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46411E22FAD@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see a lot of ideas but mine is a little different, my second garage, this one is 24 by 32 only because of the home owners ass., the walls are 14 feet tall and the gauge door is 13ft tall and 12 feet wide, high enough for a car lift if I decide to get one, at the rear I have a balcony across (24") and 8 feet out, this gives me more store space ,it also gives me an " office area with computer and other office stuff, since I fish a lot I have a tackle table there plus sink and small fridge for beer, there is railing, drink holders, and bar chairs overlooking the garage floor, also room for a foosball table that is going up there, under this is a room that is 8 by 10 that I have enclosed as a clean room for building engine stuff, has two French doors so I can see in or out, two overhead lights and a swivel light with magnifier, attached to the balcony edge are two industrial swivel fans, three speed, moves a lot of air, we really don't need that much heat in lower N.C., with the high ceilings though it stays fairly cool in the summer, I have four normal size windows two on each side and a regular door so you don't have to raise the big door, I have two sinks in the lower part, one for parts and one for other stuff (wife),I have cabinets down one side with benches and pegboard and the other side is overhead cabinets, believe it or not I can get my 22ft grady in the shop with trailer and my two triumphs during a hurricane, for lights I have four 8 ft double fluor. and track light though out with four foot flour. over the benches and sinks, ran my own electrical with wire large enough to put in a full heating and air if I ever needed it, the smartest thing I did was to build a 10 by 12 pitched roof which created me a room above everything else 32 by 12 which will be a man room/ apartment,shower/stove etc. by June I hope, will have a 10 by 12 deck out the back with stair wrapping around to the ground so from the house I can see what goes up and down, there is a full stereo system with four Bose speakers an TV overhead to watch the races. It took a lot of thought to make this happen and built it all myself, at this point I would be surprised if I had much over 10 thou in it. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 10:41:38 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is great for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room for little more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an electric winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 11:12:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:12:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> I occasionally refer to my wife as "She Who Must Be Obeyed" as well. Good to find another Rumpole fan. I'm not making any incriminating admissions about the Maui wowie (which we refer to locally as Pakalolo. or just Buds, braddah). But the lift or no lift question is mostly one of how you use your shop. I tend to work on several cars for a while, so having one on a lift means an immobile car in the way. Instead I built three rolling stands that hold the cars two feet in the air very securely and can be rolled around anywhere in the shop. I can get under them easily if necessary and I can work on everything at a comfortable height. I can also push three cars sideways off to a corner for cleanup or doing a large project. works for me. the lift was just in the way. I bought my lift (a very nice two post with all the toys) from a guy who installed it and found it to be a hassle. i sold it to a guy who installed it and found it a hassle. He sold it on. Might be still out there, going from garage to garage. You can see the stands, and the lack of a lift, and the fact that my shop needs a good cleaning at http://www.allaluminumtour.com/ On Mar 31, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use > gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is > great > for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room > for little > more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an > electric > winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Ken Gano palm top > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car > attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace > for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs > to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs > will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean > sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: > 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 12:19:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip welded across each end to retain the frame rails. all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two stand setups) On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > "pad" that the frame rails set on? > > It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > > Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 31 12:29:10 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e201c8935d$1fdeb5f0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I can chime in some on this subject...I designed my garage about 8 years ago and as my subdivision's chairman of the architectural control committee, I only had to present a preliminary plan to get my 6 car garage approved by saying it's a hobby shop and a three car garage. It's 35 X 50 with a gabled shaped mezzanine for parts storage. I used double 8 foot tube fluorescents end to end the entire length of the garage in about 4 rows. This gives good general light, but I still used two drop "trouble" lights on spring rewind power cords using compact fluorescents bulbs that are located at each end of the lift. The 8 foot tubes give a good view (using the reflections) when polishing or waxing any car, not to mention sanding prep for a new paint job. If I had it to do again I'd be sure to use 4' tubes with solid state ballasts, because I had to install a good stereo to cover-up all the ballasts' buzzing. The 220 lift is wired from the ceiling like the re-coil trouble lights. I used plug mold on all the work bench fronts that surround the car lift area except for the rolling tool boxes. Down in Houston, a shop is no good unless it is air conditioned, so when my 5-ton home unit went out, I saved it and had the bad coil replaced and put it on the top of my rest room and fed the duct work around the perimeter of the garage up high using fresh air intake from a roof mushroom. Works great. I can knock it down from a 100 degrees to 75 on a summer day in about 15 minutes. With open shelving around all sides except for the 18' door you can stand in just about one spot and see everything. I recommend that all large tools such as table saws, drill presses, vacuums, small air compressors and the like, be on wheels if at all possible. One sure fact will always remain true...No matter how big you make your garage, it will be too small after about year....so just get used to it. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:50 PM To: Mark J Bradakis; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 31 15:38:34 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:38:34 +1100 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Amici I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > stand setups) > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? >> >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. >> >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Mar 31 03:35:01 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:35:01 +1100 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff (et all) I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Amici > > I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys > come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one > operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and > find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can > work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have > to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > > stand setups) > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? > >> > >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > >> > >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > >> > >> regards, > >> rml > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Mar 31 20:05:32 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few > days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic > end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and > remember it > well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava > Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for > dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race > scenes > are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic > license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the > period. > > Bill Dentinger Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. tom http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 20:13:52 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... References: Message-ID: <01e501c8939e$0858c3d0$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Bill..I forgot that there was any car stuff in there! Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21...Woohooo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] On the Beach... > on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past >> few >> days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic >> end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and >> remember it >> well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal >> favorite...Ava >> Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for >> dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road >> race >> scenes >> are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic >> license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from >> the >> period. >> >> Bill Dentinger > > Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. > > tom > > http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm > > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dkettler at powercom.net Mon Mar 31 21:07:00 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <00c701c893a5$749778f0$5c1172d8@David> Ken: A number of years ago I built a 28'x60' shop. I insulated and heat about 1/2 and the rest is storage. I have a sliding door on the inside between the two sections so I can move things in and out depending on what I'm working on. I used the hardware that's used for sliding barn doors. I heat it with a natural gas unit heater and it heats in no time. I have to admit the hot water in the floor would be a lot better than cold concrete, but I don't use the shop every day, just turn on the heat when I need it. I insulated under the concrete before I poured it and also put in a grade beam of concrete around the perimeter which helps keep things stable. I also put some block on top of the slab so I can wash things out when needed. I don't have a floor drain so everything is pitched toward the overhead door. I should have pitched the floor a little in the corners by the overhead door, now the water tends to collect in these corners. I drywalled the walls and ceiling except for the first 4 feet off the floor which is prefinished white metal siding. This prevents me from putting a hole in the drywall with a jack handle. It would be pretty easy to replace one of these panels if it were dented, etc. I just installed some T8 fluorescent lights and they have improved the lighting from the old fluorescents I used to have. One thing you may want to consider is putting in doors on both ends/sides so you have an escape in the event of fire, etc. Yes, I too which it could have been bigger! Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dkettler at powercom.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 31 23:11:20 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080401041107.OYYC22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the > floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Can't speak for others, but I've got this really cool high-lift floor jack that the previous owner of my house left behind when they moved out, because it leaked. Lifts from about 3" (which will just get under my lowered TR3A if I pull up on the front bumper at the same time) to about 24". All it needed to stop the leaks were some packing rings in the pump; and some new bolts fixed the loose handle. Randall From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 06:38:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel bolt Torque settings Message-ID: <000e01c87ba1$8dc3ce30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm re-assembling a GT6 engine, and am about to bolt on the flywheel using ARP hardware. I'm puzzled at what seem to be low torque settings in the factory manual of 42-46 lb, versus 58-60 for the bearing cap studs and 65-70 for the head studs, all of which are the same 7/16" x 20 thread size. Is this a function of bolts versus studs? If so, why haven't we gone to short studs for this highly vibration prone location? I would think the main bearing cap torque, where there is no gasket to compress, would be similar. Lastly, should I use thread locker or grease? My inclination is to use thread locker on these bolts which do not have any washers. From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Sat Mar 1 10:35:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:35:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <9567D270-5C8F-4875-A378-F8043143C5FC@xsmail.com> Originally FP raced by Bill Davis in the North east (limerock, pocono, glen) 1978- 1979 then was in the Marrs series 1980, Bill Davis still the driver. He started racing it in nationals in 1980 in the NE. Sue davis started racing it the same year. THe pair kept racing in NE events in 81-84. Car was transferred to W David Bailey early 1985. Car was idle 1985-1987, then started racing again in the MARRS series in 1988, 1989, 1990, and in 1990 was in the runoffs. Care was idle 1991 and 1992, and then was back out in the MARRS/NE 1993 and went to the 1993, 94 runoffs. Car was raced in the NE in 1995 and 96, but didn't go to the runoffs, and was idle 1997-1999 when it was transferred to larry tippett in south carolina. larry raced it in the SE region, at CMP, Atlanta, VIR, in 99, 2000-02, idle 03, 04, raced 05, idle 06 and I got in 07. Most of the racing parts I have, are labeled with either Davis or Bailey, so one of the two were doing the crank work, and I suspect Bailey, since he was doing runoffs... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:06 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 1 12:12:28 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Greetings FoT ! Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? Appreciate the group! Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:44:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:44:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <011601c87be5$72d7c650$0202a8c0@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Thanks Racer Bud! Ill give Scott a call Monday.......If you or your FOT folks make it to final Frontier (Alaska), look us up. I know all the fishing spots. Mike Mercier GT6+ 907 688-3766 RACER BUD wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: TeamTri at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] PARTS WANTED I have both new and used GT6 vertical links. If you still need one contact me at Team Triumph on Monday at 330-392-7176. Thanks, Scott Harper ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 6:32 PM From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 22:07:29 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted Message-ID: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. "hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you help? Cheers Mel melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 1 23:14:37 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:14:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 wanted In-Reply-To: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <000601c87c23$51104720$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080302061453.921F4187645@autox.team.net> Hmmm. What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that? :) - Tony At 11:07 PM 3/1/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >This message popped up on the Spit and GT6 message board. If anyone hasa GT6 >or has a lead one for sale please contact Mel at email address below. >"hi, i'm looking for a gt6 restoration project for my hubby gary's 40th >birthday, we used to have one and i made him sell it when the first baby came >along!!! i want to surprise him for his birthday with a new project, can you >help? >Cheers Mel >melanie.batterbee at magmaker.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 09:14:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> References: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root@fepweb03> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803020814g43e9fe38gb725de897fdf7485@mail.gmail.com> If you go the limited slip route I suggest another $300 or so for the Tran-X Salisbury type is a better option. Ken Gillanders has at least one available. [Britsih Frame and Engines]. On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive > differential, I believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the > stock ratio of 3.27? My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run > its peak at TWS which does have a long straightaway. The other courses we > run with CVAR do not have as long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the > current 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From Robertten1 at aol.com Sun Mar 2 09:17:13 2008 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:17:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: Amici - Let me chime in about this subject. Pick up any copy of the British car mags available and you will be floored at the asking prices of our beloved Triumphs. Once you calculate the dollar/pound exchange rate the sale prices at the auto auctions here is not far off the mark. Luckily the Spitfires have not jumped up in value but the big TRs in restored condition are sadly becoming too valuable to drive on the street. Sad because our cars are meant to be enjoyed driving not collecting dust in our garage. My $.02, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 2 14:07:11 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:07:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 investment? Locked versus Quaffe? Bobby Whitehead From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 2 14:48:30 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:48:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> References: <20080302160711.WP6IP.45802.root@fepweb12> Message-ID: <20080302214847.68932187870@autox.team.net> A Quaiffe should give better turn in, but it requires both rear tires to stay on the ground. If you really unload the inside rear, it will spin up. You can set the car up so the inside stays on the ground, but you need to factor that into your setup. Should be easier with IRS than with the solid axle TR-4 that I've had experience with. - Tony D At 03:07 PM 3/2/2008, igofaster at charter.net wrote: >Guess a locked differential is not bad compared to the $1200 - $1500 >investment? > >Locked versus Quaffe? > >Bobby Whitehead >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 2 21:04:04 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: <003c01c87ce3$9f14f3b0$6401a8c0@blake1> Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 2 20:29:37 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:29:37 EST Subject: [Fot] The British Connection StandardPerformance Message-ID: FoT, Does anyone know Bennett French in Hendersonville, North Carolina? Thanks! Joe A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 2 21:28:47 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:28:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Message-ID: Yes I have and not had any problems. Actually the bushings aren't available for a TR6, so you buy the even and odd rockers complete. The shafts I've used on several applications without problems, MGB, Austin And Triumph. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:59 PM To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] Rocker shafts Has anyone used the heavy duty rocker shaft and rocker arm bushings from BPNW? Are these good products? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Mar 2 23:02:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:02:03 EST Subject: [Fot] GT6 differential Message-ID: In a message dated 3/2/2008 11:00:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:12:28 -0800 > From: > Subject: [Fot] GT6 GEARBOX AND DIFFERENTIAL > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <20080301141228.LRSY3.25770.root at fepweb03> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Greetings FoT ! > Just finished the CVAR race last weekend. It will be the last weekend with > my lovely T50 5 speed gearbox.... ugh.... used a smaller tire and was > getting my revs quicker and actually needed the 5 speed on the straightaway. > Anyways... I've purchased the Triumph 4 speed gearbox from Quantum > Mechanics. My questions are, should I continue running the overdrive differential, I > believe it's a 3.73 ratio in the GT6, or go back to the stock ratio of 3.27? > My friend Bob Kramer suggests I build the car to run its peak at TWS which > does have a long straightaway. The other courses we run with CVAR do not have as > long a straight. > I'm also wondering about the Quaff (sp) for the differential... seems > they're in the $1200 range. Is it worth the dough or should I keep the current > 3.73 gearbox or have a 3.27 welded locked? > Appreciate the group! > Bobby Whitehead #54CVAR GT6+ EP Group2 Bobby, The GT6 differential ratios are 3.89:1 or 3.27:1, but you are probably referring to the alternative 3.63:1 ratio, not usually found on U.S. market cars, but normally on U.K. market Spitfire 1500's. There is no 3.73: 1 ratio differential. The Salisbury LSD is probably a better bet on the race cars than the Quaif, but the Quaif is better as a road car differential. Regards Leon From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 3 08:11:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Hi guys and gals, Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of interested racers. BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract 20 or more Triumph powered cars. The schedule is looking like this. Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, then a 18 lap race. Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group race, 20 laps! Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality center to hang out at. We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers to expect from us. Thanks gang. Henry Frye From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 08:35:30 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c87d44$36af10b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Count me in. Scott Janzen 1968 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 14:55:07 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) Message-ID: <025301c87d79$3f5fb1d0$0202a8c0@Bud> from craigs list San francisco bay area(east bay) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJohn at bart.gov To: BUDSCARS at COMCAST.NET Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:25 AM Subject: Fw: Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) ----- Forwarded by Bruce D John/MET/Oak/BART on 03/03/2008 07:25 AM ----- bjohn at bart.gov 03/03/2008 07:16 AM To bjohn at bart.gov cc Subject Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks - $20 (san leandro) bjohn at bart.gov has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Triumph Spitfire 1500 Front Suspension Spax Shocks Reply to: sale-592223752 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-03-01, 10:25AM Complete front suspension with A arms , spindles,spax shocks,calipers,hubs, ect 20$ for the set 510-706-0169 a.. it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/592223752.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/vpmYA5GayFmYn5CdAY3bN ------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:08:48 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers on this one? -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 3 15:18:37 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:18:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2aa701c87d7c$86d9b350$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a > Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy > duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm > value? AFAIK, all the Crane CD ignitions require a ballast type coil be used without the ballast. Certainly my XR3000 does. The ignition box limits the current, so no ballast is needed. Randall From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 15:35:05 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:35:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Ballast Resistor Value In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803031408g432e02d8k82c79520cc863bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803031435g4ecea9bbye57b00cc0322c9f3@mail.gmail.com> So, I read the coil instructions -- no ballast required. Sorry, should have started there On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I am building a whole new system for my racer. I have a Mallory unilyte > distributor and a crane cd ignition box and a crane heavy duty coil. Need > to know IF I need a ballast resistor, and if so, what ohm value? Any takers > on this one? > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -- Chuck Arnold From igofaster at charter.net Mon Mar 3 17:33:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bennett French In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080303193303.DZNRE.89152.root@fepweb03> Bennett French is on eBay with performance items related to the Triumphs... BTW I've paid him 50% deposit on a composite leaf spring for a GT6 on eBay. He stated the delivery time was 2-3 weeks out... it's been over 4 weeks. He communicated (at my prodding) that the first group that came in didn't meet his satisfaction... I'm not having a concern.. YET... Bobby Whitehead From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 3 17:35:52 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Henry and others WPTA might be talked into something. Most of our members will be focused on the PVGP WPTA British Car Day event the following Saturday but there are a few of us who can scare up a tent and some Hospitality. After all it is in our backyard. Keep me in the loop and I'll see what interest I can develop. We of course are committed to the Watkins Glen weekend in September. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: Cc: "Ralph Steinberg" ; "Mark Palmer" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 > Hi guys and gals, > > Vintage Racer Group and the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix folks have > invited the FOT to bring our show to BeaveRun. I have been asked to > Ralph Steinberg and Mark Palmer to put together a head count of > interested racers. > > BeaveRun is outside of Pittsburgh, PA, a relatively new 1.5 mile > circuit. It seems to favor smaller, nimble cars like our Triumphs. I > have not been there, but I have heard it's very nice facility with great > amenities, great people and racer-friendly policies. > > While this is not going to be our feature event for 2008, I think it has > all the trappings to be one heck of a good time. The folks at BeaveRun > are truly rolling out the red carpet for us, and are hoping to attract > 20 or more Triumph powered cars. > > The schedule is looking like this. > > Friday is an extra cost test day, $155 for full day, $80 for 1/2 day. > Ralph is saying at least 80 minutes of track time for the full day. > > Saturday opens with a 15 minute practice, followed by a 15 lap race, > then a 18 lap race. > > Sunday opens with a 15 minute warm up, then we get an All Triumph > powered cars race of 12 laps before lunch. After lunch we get our group > race, 20 laps! > > Earlybird entry fee for Sat/Sun is $240. > > Groupings are set by car/driver potential, you will be put in a group > with folks running the same lap times, so you will have someone to race > with. The entry forms ask for your lap times at various tracks, so they > are serious about placing us where we belong. If we get enough Triumphs > of similar potential, I will see about an all-Triumph run group. > > The eligibility requirements are being somewhat relaxed, TR7 and TR8's > will be accepted, and SCCA prepped cars are encouraged to contact Ralph > or Mark for a final ruling. The quote was something like "I do not want > some totally clapped out old SCCA racer that you have to squint at > sideways to figure out first it is a TR, and second what TR, but most > everything else would fly." That sounds pretty darn liberal to me! It > even sounded like there might be a little wiggle room on tires for the > SCCA guys, so it does sound like it will be worth the price of an email > or two to see if they will let you run your non-vintage prepped Triumph. > Naturally, all Triumph powered specials are encouraged to apply. > > We will get our own reserved paddock space, and if we can convince the > Western PA Triumph guys to get involved we might just get a hospitality > center to hang out at. > > We will get some sort of featured marque billing, yet to be determined > exactly what. They are offering us a group photo opportunity. There is > an autocross for non-track spec cars. The event proceeds go to charity. > The list of reasons this is going to be a great event goes on... > > All I am asking for is a reply showing you are putting this on your > intended race schedule. The organizers need to know what kind of numbers > to expect from us. > > Thanks gang. > > Henry Frye From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 20:24:25 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun - July 11-13, 2008 In-Reply-To: <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE26@server.Triumph.local> <022b01c87d8f$b3f03b80$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I plan on being there also. I am not sure if I will spend the night Saturday or drive home to Ohio and come back in the morning. I also plan on doing the autox so I am not sure yet of the time I will be available but if there is some way I can help out I sure will. Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 06:20:30 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:20:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear spring Message-ID: <126270.64742.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See the following section of the competition manual on converting a regular spitfire spring to a competition spring. Does anyone understand this? What does it mean to "reverse clips on the leaf"? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of competitionspring.bmp] From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 06:40:22 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:40:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site www.chequeredflagracing.com Thanks Joe Siam From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 07:38:53 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:38:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] spit spring Message-ID: <132901.31032.qm@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The lost attachment to my earlier message says: "remove the spring... and remove the clips which bind the spring leaves together. Counting the main leaf as number one, reverse the clips on the leaf. This will involve reversing the clips on the leaf and grinding flush the convex dimple locatin the rubber buttons on at the ends of the leaf...." What soes this mean? I have studdied a stock spring and do not understand the directors. Dale Oesterle From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 07:55:25 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA Message-ID: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> I am targeting a regional double at the end of march in south Carolina, and would like to get the car out for a test/tune day. I can't find a specific TT event, so if someone is aware of one in the northeast, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Tue Mar 4 08:03:25 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (JRH) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:03:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles References: <1832154.1204638022490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009a01c87e08$e5fa3f80$7fafe246@gcllawyers.local> Joe Siam wrote: > . . . I have more parts available More info is on my web site > > www.chequeredflagracing.com OK, but when I go to that website I get this message: The website declined to show this webpage Most likely causes: a.. This website requires you to log in b.. This error (HTTP 403 Forbidden) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but it does not have permission to view the webpage. JR Hill From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Mar 4 08:47:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> Message-ID: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 09:41:39 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:41:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire & GT6 Competition Axles Message-ID: <18599027.1204648899985.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All sorry here is the correct address. >Hi All Just wanted you to know I will be putting together a ready to install Competition Axle kit for Spitfires and Gt6s. If you are interested let me know. I have a few axles sets being made right now. I could add to the order and save 4+ weeks of down time. Featuring Chuck Gee Alloy Hubs and all parts need to fit them. I have installed a few of them already. They will be available in both wide and narrow track Spitfires. I have more parts available More info is on my web site > >www.chequeredflagracing.net > >Thanks Joe Siam From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 4 10:28:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subscription management Message-ID: <47CD86BA.4070802@bradakis.com> A couple of folks have asked about putting their email on vacation hold, so to speak. With Mailman, it is pretty easy to do. You should have just recently gotten a message from Team.Net listing your subscriptions and passwords for the various lists to which you subscribe. Click on the link listed in that message for the appropriate list, and log in using your password. Scroll down that page to the set of options. The top one listed is called 'Mail Delivery' with two choices - enabled and disabled. When enabled is set, you get mail from the list. If you set disabled, you won't get mail from the list, but you will still be subscribed. When you are back at your desk or whatever, you can repeat the procedure to enable mail delivery once again. I've mentioned this before as I recall, but this capability has another use. If you routinely send mail from different addresses, such as mjb at autox.team.net and mark at bradakis.com you can subscribe both addresses to the list, so that mail you send from either one will not be held as non-subscriber posts. And to avoid getting copies of each message sent to both addresses, you can disable mail delivery to one and enable the other. Hope this helps. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:30:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803041030m339b8899j9b59c643b249d449@mail.gmail.com> I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. So -- does anyone 1. Have one they could sell/loan 2. Know of any supplier who might have it on hand? 3. Know another email list to query? Help, help!! -- Chuck Arnold From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 4 16:27:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a mid march open track day: NE or MA In-Reply-To: <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <2DC11FD3-E760-41AD-82DC-72609E83CD46@mac.com> <003101c87e0f$10cd5340$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <450881A4-5D10-4C37-B1D4-57C8D052B57D@mac.com> Sorry, I saw this, but their first one is April, and I'm looking for March. Anyone know of one at Summit/VIR/BeaveRun/Pocono coming up soon? Anyone got a big open parking lot I can use in the Philly/SE PA area? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: T+T Dates at Lime Rock: http://www.limerock.com/content/events-test-and-tune Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 16:39:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:39:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Disparately need a part Message-ID: Chuck, I would advise against the Unilite - they are a bigger piece of junk than the Lucas. I've had 2, and had to junk both. The advance mechanism allows the timing to move all over the place. The dual point system is good. I use one with my MSD but had to disable the second set of points. Shane Ingate in NM ---------------------------------------- I am installing a Mallory dual point distributor in my TR6 race car. I need to convert it to electronic from points to work with my ignition system. The part number I need is a Mallory 560 Unilyte conversion kit. Mallory is out of stock and production is not scheduled till early April. The major parts supplier's [Summit, Jegs, Amazon, otherrs] do not have it in stock. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 4 17:23:02 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (dodo at texas.net) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:23:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire MK1 1147 exhaust manifold Message-ID: <1204676582.47cde7e64f4da@webmail.texas.net> Does anybody have an 1147 exhaust manifold they want to sell? I removed the one on my AutoX car today to find that it has some serious corrosion issues. Thanx! Robert MacKenzie From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 18:56:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:56:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Interesting point of information. How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the "proper" identification of each. Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the states? Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cook" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > Hi- > > Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > to > correct it. > > A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > called a > TR4 Hardtop. > > The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > used > to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > top > won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > Surrey > Top was an extra. > > This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > car > was named and marketed. > > There, that's off my chest! > > Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > To: > N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > Re: > [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > 1963 > TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > in > 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > sure I > remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > story > other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > TR3A > and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > $30,000 > range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > likely > not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, > although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > and > thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > Get > tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as > mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 4 19:45:54 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> Message-ID: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Yes, it was an option for the TR250. Bill Sohl wrote: > Interesting point of information. > > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > "proper" identification of each. > > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > states? > > Cheers, > > Bill Sohl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael cook" > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop > > > >> Hi- >> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled >> to >> correct it. >> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly >> called a >> TR4 Hardtop. >> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was >> used >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel >> top >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The >> Surrey >> Top was an extra. >> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the >> car >> was named and marketed. >> >> There, that's off my chest! >> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> >> To: >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: >> Re: >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the >> 1963 >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back >> in >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make >> sure I >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real >> story >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and >> TR3A >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the >> $30,000 >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are >> likely >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, >> and >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! >> Get >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as >> mlcooknj at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Mar 4 20:29:46 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top In-Reply-To: <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> References: <98AC68086CFE4B979C2C9A687CEB3A26@SohlPC> <47CE0962.70900@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Cheers! The hardtop may have been optional on the TR-250 but I don't remember ever seeing one at the time. It would be useful to do a story in TVT but I may have to look hard to find a picture of the Surrey top installed. Mike> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:45:54 -0500> From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> To: billsohl at optonline.net> CC: mlcooknj at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop/Surrey Top> > Yes, it was an option for the TR250.> > Bill Sohl wrote:> > Interesting point of information.> >> > How about a short "Mike Cook" article for VTR magazine on the TR-4 Hardtop > > or Surrey Top with a couple of pictures to show as an example of the > > "proper" identification of each.> >> > Also, I seem to recall the Hardtop/Surrey Top being listed in the TR-250 > > Parts Manual. Was it ever actually offered as a 250 option here in the > > states?> >> > Cheers,> >> > Bill Sohl> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael cook" > > To: ; ; ; > > > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:18 PM> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop> >> >> > > >> Hi-> >>> >> Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled > >> to> >> correct it.> >>> >> A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly > >> called a> >> TR4 Hardtop.> >>> >> The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was > >> used> >> to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel > >> top> >> won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The > >> Surrey> >> Top was an extra.> >>> >> This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the > >> car> >> was named and marketed.> >>> >> There, that's off my chest!> >>> >> Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> > >> To:> >> N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: > >> Re:> >> [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the > >> 1963> >> TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back > >> in> >> 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make > >> sure I> >> remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real > >> story> >> other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and > >> TR3A> >> and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the > >> $30,000> >> range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are > >> likely> >> not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value,> >> although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, > >> and> >> thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! > >> Get> >> tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance.> >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)>> >> _______________________________________________>> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net>> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as> >> mlcooknj at msn.com> >> _______________________________________________> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >>> >> Fot mailing list> >> Fot at autox.team.net> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >>> >> You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net > >> > > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> >> > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> >> > From trhouse at greenapple.com Wed Mar 5 06:51:33 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 07:07:41 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Marlboro Reunion Car Show - Call for vintage race cars Message-ID: <194484.33231.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, The SCCA Washington D.C. region last year started a program of documenting a large collection of photos, programs and literature dealing with Marlboro Speedway. This collection was generously donated by region member. Marlboro Speedway was located in Upper Marlboro and was the local track of the D.C. region for many years before Summit Point was built. The second documentation / reunion meeting, which is closed to the public, will take place on Sunday July 13th. However, there will be a free open to the public car show on Saturday the 12th at Surreybrooke Gardens in Fredrick Maryland. Steve Lloyd is the DC region historian and the person in charge of the car show. Steve is looking for vintage race cars to attend the show. I think Steve is also planning some sort of Marlboro presentation for the car show as well. So if there are any FOTers that would like to show off their TR in front of the public give Steve an email at wdcrhistory at comcast.net. The car show will be announced in the D.C. region's newsletter and web site. I know that there will be a group of past TR racers showing up that weekend. If any of you have read about "The Manor Boys" in Kas' latest book, come out and meet them in person. I know that at least three of them will be there. I am sure there will be a gathering of some sorts Saturday evening. I am planning to be there the whole weekend. For those who don't know, my Dad was the track announcer at Marlboro for my years in the early and mid '60s. Thumbs Up! Steve Benford Jr. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 5 07:14:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers In-Reply-To: References: <9F2BE3B2-84AF-4004-BBB2-C8FC003817FD@garrebeek.de> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CCD33F4@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> If you search the internet you can find some interesting things out about this topic. There are now adjustable valves to replace the standard valves and ther are articles about shimming the springs to increase rate while tightening up the valve spring. I have pulled apart a competition set I have and I found some blue springs in place of the bronze colored ones in a standard shock. The oil recommendations vary as well. Google away. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Householder Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:52 AM To: Mike Cook; kaskas at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net; rene at garrebeek.de Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers Can any one answer this question?? Rene, The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . I suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they have any input.. Tom ---------- From: Rene Garrebeek Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 To: Tom Householder Subject: rear dampers Hi Tom, U R G E N T Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the biggest european oldtimer mag. He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- morrow... Thank's if you can help Reni .+... Reni Garrebeek ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Mar 5 09:25:42 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:25:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers References: Message-ID: <004301c87edd$8f27c6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Tom / Rene The guy to talk to on this is Derek at Stevson Motors in Birmingham - he is the authority on classic shocks as far as im aware. He has done all my twin valve and adjustable DAS9's and my adjustable DAS10's, with bump and rebound settings to match the weight of my car etc. no. of leafs in my rear springs etc. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: "Mike Cook" ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: rear dampers > Can any one answer this question?? > > > Rene, > The damper oil was sometimes adjusted for variation in applications. > road/race. changes were generally done by the ownwer / entrant. I can't > answer your specific question . I'll forward this to a couple in England . > I > suggest contacting a rebuilder such as Apple Hydraulics to see if they > have > any input.. > > Tom > ---------- > From: Rene Garrebeek > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:15:16 +0100 > To: Tom Householder > Subject: rear dampers > > Hi Tom, > > U R G E N T > > Just received a phone-call from a journalist of "Oldtimer Markt", the > biggest european oldtimer mag. > He's writing an article on the world-famous (ahem) rear girling > shockers as used on our TRs etc. and would like to know whether there > are any works adjustment data for the rating of the shock absorber. > He's got his article ready and it will go on press the day after to- > morrow... > Thank's if you can help > Reni > .+... Reni Garrebeek > ..+.. Phone +49 6221 766671 > ...+. Fax +49 6221 767303 > ..+.. mailto:rene at garrebeek.de > .+... http://www.garrebeek.de/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4.tony at virgin.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Wed Mar 5 09:25:18 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:25:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx Any problems in doing this?? What parts are different?? Thanks in advance for any information Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 12:23:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:23:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > > Any problems in doing this?? Nothing insurmountable. The 4-synchro box is about 3/8" longer, so he'll need to elongate the holes in the rear crossmember to move the rear mount. For a TR3 (& TR3A to TS50000), he'll also need to modify the tunnel slightly, to clear the larger starter bulge (later 3A/B already have this change). Depending on the vintage of his new gearbox, he may need longer studs in the back of the engine (as the flange got thicker during the TR6 run), also longer bolts for the rest of the joint. Some advise changing the input shaft to the slightly longer TR3 version, but I found that the TR3 input shaft will not mesh with later TR6 gearsets; and the TR6 input shaft works fine for me. If he's keeping the TR3 clutch, it's probably worthwhile to change the gearbox front cover to the slightly longer TR3 version (and of course use the TOB that matches the clutch). The all synchro boxes lack the dipstick/filler found on the early ones, but it is possible to rebuild an early cover with the later forks & shafts to keep the dipstick (if he chooses, otherwise the fill plug on the side will work). If he keeps the later top cover, it may need to be drilled to accept the through-bolt for mounting the TR3 gearshift (of course, keeping the later gearshift is another option). If it's a late TR6 box (after approx 73), the speedo drive gear will be wrong. I don't know if the TR3 gear can be used or not, but maybe. Personally, I like the wide brass bushings that the TR3 used to carry the clutch cross shaft, so I replaced the narrow TR6 bushings. But that's purely optional. HTH Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 12:58:31 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Message-ID: <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Coffey, Jack A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx.... ==AM== Gee, doesn't ANYONE know how to double-clutch any more? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 13:05:47 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> <8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods From twakeman at razzolink.com Wed Mar 5 13:07:37 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080305192313.GQGM11478.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47CEFD89.3080500@razzolink.com> > A friend wants to upgrade his street TR3 to later all synchro gbx > Any problems in doing this?? My post TS-6000 has a TR4 overdrive gearbox. About all I recall doing is elongating the rear mounting holes and using the TR3 shift leaver in the TR4 gearbox. You will need the next length longer bolts at the bottom of the bell housing because the lip on the TR4 transmission is wider then on the TR3 transmission. This will also require you to readjust the clutch slave cylinder rod. I've no experience with the TR6 box. The gearbox mounts are farther to the rear than the TR4's mounts. You would need to bend down the flange on the TR3's cross member and drill new holes. Teriann From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 5 13:33:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? Message-ID: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. http://www.snotr.com/video/568 Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Mar 5 13:53:15 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:53:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <050501c87f02$efe518d0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Look at it this way, Don. We Brits are stuck on an island with rather too many people, the weather's usually lousy, the quality of food and service in expensive restaurants not much better, the beer's often served too cold - and we're taxed into oblivion. Ya gotta do something to keep yourself entertained! Actually, it's not a wholly British aircraft but the fruit of a European consortium :) Jonmac > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 14:31:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <002a01c87f08$54a6c2a0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How bought for the fuel or is this just a fancy editing job? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 5 15:10:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? References: <005001c87f00$31a343d0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <003e01c87f0d$ae0dc6e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wasn't that on an episode of "Top Gear"? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: "'Friends'" ; "'Mike Gruy'" ; "'John Garner'" ; "'Jim Pivirotto'" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Drag anyone? > What will the Brits think of next? Here are some guys that need something > to do. Try this link Veyron vs British Jet fighter plane. > > http://www.snotr.com/video/568 > > Don Carter, AIA > > > > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 15:27:18 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:27:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? In my case, it was because the flimsy early bellhousing broke, and the later ones are considerably beefier. Thicker flange, plus more reinforcing ribs. Same casting used behind the Stag V8 (although there were some internal differences). IMO, many of the problems reported against the later gearboxes come down to improper installation. Both of my Stags came to me missing the important (IMO) dowel-bolts that locate the gearbox to the engine; and conversations with TR6 owners seem to indicate that few recognize the importance of the dowels. Rimmer Bros even sells ordinary bolts (with the customary undersize shanks) as substitutes. The resulting misalignment between gearbox and engine overloads the bearing and leads to early failure. At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in class at a VTR autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 5 16:46:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080305222718.ZCJE2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080305234654.EPCG20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Randall wrote : > At any rate, I've driven my TR6 quite hard (including 1st in > class at a VTR > autoX) and it's shown no signs of distress. Uh, that was supposed to be TR6 _box_. It's actually in a TR3A, behind a relatively stock TR3A motor. Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:08:36 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup of tea so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used goodies for sale. 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in black. 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints 1 G-Force Gear Bag All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please contact me. It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. Bill of Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech Inspection. Car ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida Motorsports (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of experience racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor was built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget racing. It was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR authenticity points, except it currently does not have an alternator. Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is a top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. That used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty races at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the 50th Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression and makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so it is no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Wed Mar 5 22:14:07 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:14:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 Message-ID: Because the original message was too long the following are some of the specs on the car. Please contact me for more details or pictures. One nicely prepared 72 MG Midget It comes equipped with: Safety: Ishida/Pinnacle roll cage, including under-scuttle hoop and door bars. Built-in fire suppression system with nozzles in cockpit and engine bay. Professionally installed Fuel Safe 5 gallon fuel cell. Kirkey seat bolted to the cage. Will accommodate a fairly tall/large driver. Stainless steel brake lines and oil lines. Simpson belts with about 2 years life left. Forged front spindles. Suspension: Shimmed shocks and offset trunnion bushings for about 2 degrees negative camber. Double bearing hubs. Competition axles from Winners Circle. Front sway bar from Winners Circle with well-reinforced mounts. Rear adjustable sway bar from Winners Circle. Panhard bar. Urethane bushings throughout. Removable steering wheel. 450 lb. front springs. 1/2" lowered spring pans. 2" lowered rear springs. KN Minator wheels. Yokohama A032S tires, used, but with a few good races left in them. Engine and transmission: Legal 1275 motor bored .040 over. 1.5 ratio rockers. Rimflo valves. Winner's Circle sump. Lightened flywheel. 1 1/4" carbs. LCB header and custom side exhaust. EGT gauge and sensor setup. O2 Sensor system (not installed). Patented Littlefield quick-release radiator system. Pertronix ignition and Lucas Sport Coil. Magnecor wires. New Borg & Beck clutch and throwout bearing. Gear reduction starter (with Littlefield reliability mod). Quick release clutch slave cylinder. Electronic fuel pump and billet filter. 3/8" fuel line. Engine stabilizer. Stock transmission with reverse lock-out. Half a dozen or so races on rebuild. 3.9 rear end Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable offers. Reasonable being the key word. I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 Trades might be considered. Also has a VERY nice 79 MGB for sale. Orange or Vermilion as the British called it. Let me know if you have interest in that. It has just been freshly completed and ready for the season. Price on the MGB is $13500. High I know but you need to see what all it has. Trust me there has been a LOT more spent on the car. Cheers, Gary Fuqua **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Mar 6 05:52:33 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 Message-ID: I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can get by the cheese. Paul NFI http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 06:39:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:39:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if > you can get by the cheese. Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 6 07:45:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:45:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DAB8FE6-688F-47DA-B97E-45F18CB140E0@bnj.com> gaak. the guy should just keep it--and sleep with it. On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if you can > get by > the cheese. > > Paul > NFI > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170199490934&p > hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 6 08:33:01 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Randall wrote: >> I read this and thought I should share it. Very good read if >> you can get by the cheese. > > Too deep for me, especially this early in the AM. Need my hip boots. I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. > Randall regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:19:25 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <8CA4DBCFA864F3A-904-1818@webmail-de02.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang Yes, the prose is "deep", but if it's the car I think it is, it's a real collector car because it's pretty much unmolested. I'd be really interested in seeing the documentation and verifying it if I was going to buy the car. ==AM== I agree, Bob. There's also a pretty nice '59 TR3A on eBay right now, in BRG. It's restored (maybe a bit overrestored?), and some aspects of the car SCREAM restored as opposed to original. One obvious (to me) example is the repro grille on the green car, which looks fine until you compare it to an original and see that the repro has the narrower slots. I'd take that grey car any day over the green one...unless I could only have one AND wanted to drive the heck out of whichever one I bought. (I could not bring myself to do that to the grey car!) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 09:43:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cool Listing TR3 In-Reply-To: References: <20080306133923.RACW24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <003901c87fa9$448b7590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> The car in Richmond was red-ish and from Rhode Island I think... http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2004/2004vtr-cwn/ Scroll to the last photos to see the cacoon... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- I think this car was at the 2004 VTR in Richmond, VA. The guy trailered it there wrapped in plastic (if it's the car I'm thinking about). From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 6 10:30:10 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 6 10:49:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:49:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <200803061049993.SM03332@[166.70.182.40]> Marty, I'm with you on this.B Its so easy to hit the delete button if I'm not interested. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "marty sukey" Sent 3/6/2008 10:30:10 AM To: gsfuqua1 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net, triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net, tedtsimx at bright.net, healeys at autox.team.net, shop at justbrits.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for SaleGary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 6 11:06:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: Message-ID: <007201c87fb4$de5df700$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Me Too. As long as it is an individual doing the posting and not a commercial venture, it is more of a service than a hinderance. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > Gary, I'm afraid my opinion is 180 degrees off from some others. I welcome > this sort of postings in my list in box. Id rather those who might have an > interest have a chance to know about this sort of thing. It was clearly listed > in the header what it was. If you don't care to read about it hit the delete > key. Thanks for letting us know it was available. > > Marty > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 6 11:29:13 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] [6pack] Racing Goodies for Sale, Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306182913.YOV24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Gary and everyone else, please put me on your list to notify > any time you have parts for sale. While I had no problem with Gary's posts (which I would not classify as "commercial"); I would like to point out that there IS a Team.Net list specifically for such things. It's called 'autojumble', and oddly enough is one of the few lists I'm subscribed to that Gary didn't hit Randall From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 13:07:51 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:07:51 EST Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Corey, this was a posting for a friend that wants to recoup some of his investment. I have NO financial interest in this. Classic Sports Cars is just the way my sign off goes out. Besides, there are plenty of people who know me personally from that. This is the ONE and ONLY posting of this nature I have made. I am NOT running my business through the 6-Pack list. This was NOT a commercial posting and you know it. So, with all due respect. Chill out. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Mar 6 16:17:29 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac From britbits at tiu.net Thu Mar 6 16:37:00 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:37:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <005301c87fe2$fab37320$f5e435cf@jrg> John, If you were offering "over the door cup holders to match the color of your car"..(hmmm, could I get one with rust holes? ;) then I'd order you to wear the scarlet "C" on your chest. The charity drive is an admirable cause and is exempt (in my opinion) of the commercialism charge... although I guess I'd prefer that any "profits" from the book of the experience also somehow go to charity. Or maybe to setting up another charity drive? Just to keep the karma intact. >From the comments it sounds like someone beat up Gary on his listing of a race car and driving apparel today on one of the Triumph lists. As others have said.. the delete key still works and it's not like we're seeing 10 messages a day from a list member hawking bits and pieces. I've tried.. but the darn SPAM filter Mark B runs keeps killing my posts. Oh well, I'll stick to posting ads on VTR. ;) So from someone who was not "active" when the cars were being built but loves to find out the "why" on the things the factory did... keep on posting. Or add me to your private listing for updates on books, etc. Cheers, Jim Dallas "now back to lurk mode" britbits at tiu.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:17 PM To: marty sukey Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; gsfuqua1 at aol.com; 6pack at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically 'mis-used' the lists for the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so many people kindly ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further thought occurs. As many know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next year in a Stag and there's a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much money as I can for three charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than writing another book about the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k out of the trip and many on the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the trip itself. If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' in which there is a prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates off these lists and only notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on the website. I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should proceed from now onwards. I also apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. Jonmac Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at tiu.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 6 17:24:45 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it was his cup, or not. It does put materials into circulation, though. Bill On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:08:36 EST GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > One of my good friends has decided that Vintage Racing is not his cup > of tea > so to speak. SO...We have some VERY nice and VERY lightly used > goodies for > sale. > > 1 pair of new style mid-height Oakley racing shoes 10.5 size in > black. > 1 XL G-Force Racing Suit Blue > 2 XL Carbon X Oakley underwear (Tops & Bottoms) > 1 Oakley Carbon X Balaclava > 2 Pair of Carbon X Socks > 1 Pair of G-Force Racing Gloves (Large I think) > 1 Bell M4 White Helmet in Large (With Hans set up) > 1 Hans Sport Device (New Style) > 1 Set of G-Force Arm Restraints > 1 G-Force Gear Bag > > All of the above has been used for ONE weekend!! > > We also have one nicely prepared 72 MG Midget > > For those who may be interested in any or all of the above please > contact me. > It is in my shop in Branson, MO. I can send pictures and details. > Bill of > Sale only. CVAR log books and has passed the CVAR 08 Tech > Inspection. Car > ran very well at TWS. Former David Littlefield Car. > > > This is the last car built by David McCullough of Ishida > Motorsports > (DFW) before Pinnacle took over. McCullough has years of > experience > racing Spridgets, including at the Runoffs in the 70's. The motor > was > built by Bob Weber of SFD engines-- also a legend in Spridget > racing. It > was formerly owned by David Mhoon. It is eligible for all CVAR > authenticity points, except it currently does not have an > alternator. > Motor is relatively mildly tuned for reliability. As it is, it is > a > top-third FP car. Pam's best at TWS with this setup was a 2:09. > That > used to be good enough to run in the top 4, but the competition has > gotten faster. Pam ran about mid-pack in class at the Walter Mitty > races > at Road Atlanta. The car also has some history-- it ran in the > 50th > Collier Cup at Watkins Glen. > > The motor has seen quite a few races, but still has good compression > and > makes good power. The 2:09 was done in September of last year, so > it is > no slouch. Eventually it will need a freshening. > > > Price on the car is $9000. Equipment prices are open to reasonable > offers. > Reasonable being the key word. > > I can be reached via e-mail at _gsfuqua1 at aol.gsf_ > (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > or on my cell phone 417-593-9503 > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From jibjib at att.net Thu Mar 6 17:33:13 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:33:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> References: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8017FCCB9@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com><8CA4D126BC8221E-EE8-1115@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <004f01c87efc$4df55040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 6 17:53:37 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:53:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 18:41:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:41:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us did our own mechanical work Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting > into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually > learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and > resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. > > At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>was his cup, or not. >>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 19:22:06 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <47D06F9B.6000605@earthlink.net> <065c01c87fe0$4036e380$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <006e01c87ffa$0a6b87f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I read Hemmings for entertainment, not because I'm a buyer mostly. Stuff for sale here comes under the same category if posted by members in my view. Those of you who are FOT and in the business commercially often have invaluable advice and knowledge, even if you may have a financial interest in sharing it. I am absolutely ok with that. If it gets out of hand it's clear we'll let the offending party know or boycott them as a seller. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "marty sukey" Cc: ; ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Racing Goodies for Sale > Hmm, not too sure where I stand in all this. Clearly I have periodically > 'mis-used' the lists for > the shameless promotion of the ST book I wrote some years ago and which so > many people kindly > ordered. Obviously I should have found other methods. However a further > thought occurs. As many > know, I'm undertaking a marathon drive across the States and Canada next > year in a Stag and there's > a very definite financial interest in that. Simply, its to raise as much > money as I can for three > charities - though I'll be making nothing out of it myself, other than > writing another book about > the whole trip. I've got a financial objective to somehow raise US$300k > out of the trip and many on > the lists have signed up for periodic updates of the event website and the > trip itself. > If the prime objective of all the lists is to preclude any 'advertising' > in which there is a > prominent financial motive, I'm wondering whether I should keep my updates > off these lists and only > notify those who have signed up to the "Keep yourself informed" button on > the website. > I'd appreciate some fairly adjacent guidance please on how I should > proceed from now onwards. I also > apologise for having misued the lists in the past concerning my book. > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 7 06:36:29 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:36:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale In-Reply-To: <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CD5D122@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance concerns. There are a lot of reasons why someone would change their mind about becoming a racer. Getting fender to fender, three or four (or more) wide, at the end of the front NASCAR straight at TWS, whichs drops you over the apron onto the road course is a pretty good place to judge whether this is something you want to do. If you get to do it in the rain you will know for sure! At our last two CVAR events we had a solo wreck/roll-over (both big Healeys) totalling out 2 very nice cars. I've been doing this for 12 years with CVAR and I can attest that it is extremely rare for a wreck such as this to happen in CVAR. It is much less than one per year on average. With 6 events and over 100 cars per event I think we have done fairly well. I wouldn't be surprised if seeing the results of one of those incidents wouldn't scare off a few potential racers. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >was his cup, or not. >It does put materials into circulation, though. >Bill Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From deanesr at uncw.edu Fri Mar 7 06:19:06 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodies for Sale Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB464118ED210@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> You know guys, it might have been the MG Midget that changed his mind, might have been different racing in a Triumph. Sorry to hear he is getting out so soon. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 7 10:00:19 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:00:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale Message-ID: In a message dated 03/07/2008 7:36:53 AM Central Standard Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > This is certainly a great suggestion. In CVAR we used to have an > exhibition class where people would get a taste with passing only > allowed on the straights but they cancelled it due to insurance > concerns. The VSCDA has 'similar' STG (Sports Touring Group) sessions at it's SPRING BRAKE event in early May at GINGERMAN. They also have a 'Driver's School' on Thursday night (class) and Friday (track). There is racing on Saturday and Sunday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cak at dimebank.com Fri Mar 7 10:38:48 2008 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? Message-ID: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 7 11:07:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:07:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <004901c8807e$144d3d20$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Wilma borrowed Fred's car. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 7 11:49:37 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:49:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: All Spitfires come that way in the Midwest. On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 13:51:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c87fea$d4cd7a90$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Synchronized first gear. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? Ed Woods _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com Fri Mar 7 14:24:23 2008 From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:24:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <29106CE60E8DF44FB946FBDF64B7D6A8018EC3B0@EXC2-NA-ASC.bfusa.com> Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. BTW...I can double-clutch (learned to drive in a MGA) but my friend can't......:-) Jack Coffey coffeyjack at bfusa.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:29:33 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:29:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <000601c88094$fe1085f0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 14:42:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale References: <20080306.172445.3972.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com><20080307005925.NVRE20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <008f01c87ff4$5704f6b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <007a01c8809c$1ae86330$d214c548@RW> I think the most expensive personal driver item in the 1960 era was a new Toptex helmet at about $95.00. No socks, shoes, underwear, driving suit, gloves etc, . None of it, and lap belts only. Admitted a $100 then is like 5or 6 now but still that investment or even borrowed got you in the game to see if this cup of tea fit you. Lots of guys got in for a single race and then decided "whoa, its was not for me". ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > In the old days(late 1960s)..there was a very large turnover of drivers > after the 1st year...It didn't cost nearly as much then because most of us > did our own mechanical work > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing Goodies for Sale > > >> This is one reason why I always tell someone thinking about getting >> into racing to try running DE events first. In addition to actually >> learning to drive and cheaper they can begin to see the time and >> resource commitment before taking the actual plunge. >> >> At 05:24 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >>>It is a shame that someone could jump into something this deep, only to >>>discover he had no desire to continue. It would seem that someone would >>>have allowed him to 'taste & touch' the whole thing first to see if it >>>was his cup, or not. >>>It does put materials into circulation, though. >>>Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 15:54:12 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks hot. Probably gets around VIR several seconds faster than me. Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? > > http://www.aclifts.com/oddvehicles/images/08_image.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From igofaster at charter.net Fri Mar 7 16:03:51 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:03:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 18:28:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <005601c8809a$560c3a60$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <000401c880bb$ac953b40$b1191718@computer> I bought that '59 TR3A slightly used in 1962, first gear was definitely synchronized as my friend at the time had an MGA that definitely was not syncro. From that day forward, I have always thought that Triumph was that much ahead of MG but I guess it is entirely possible that somebody before me swapped out the tranny. Looking back, I'm glad they did. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:30 PM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 I figure some one changed the box then Jim as the syncro box did not become part of the TR-3 until the TR-3B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Jack Brooks'" ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > My 1959 3A had a synchronized first gear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Brooks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > Synchronized first gear. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; herald948 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 > > And why is a more fragile gearbox considered an upgrade? > > Ed Woods > _ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 7 18:37:20 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 20:03:48 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307.183720.2668.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face on Sunday night as you are loading up)! Call if you need any help - Ed senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will eventually rather have you there, as not. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 7 20:11:29 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From britbits at tiu.net Fri Mar 7 20:38:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:38:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> <47D203E1.70409@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 20:42:06 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:42:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera Message-ID: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 7 21:07:01 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Jim wrote: Ahhh... reliability. That's where the slippery slope starts. In autocross (I admit it, I'm from the wrong side of the tracks ;) reliability equates to performance, ie if you know you can push your car harder it gives you an advantage. The same in theory applies to racing. When I ran with CVAR in the mid 90s what we did was called "exhibition at speed", not racing. So, reliablity on track means lower chances for breakdowns... less chance for accidents... good thing. Less chance for unfortunate incidents that could jack up the insurance. If we're gonna call it racing, like they do now... then reliabilty is an advantage. So what if your checker cab is at the back of the pack... you KNOW deep in your mind that if you have to punt your competition off the track just short of the finish line that your bumpers will let you do so without anyone seeing the scratches in the paint. It's reliable. Whereas, if we're gonna go vintage racing... well.. it should be in something that is vintage. Otherwise we're just running Nascar "looks like a real car" type cars. If I can't accept the liability of running stock Spitfire axles on the track... then maybe I should find a car more robust. Like a Checker Cab. Just my .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=tiu.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:11 PM To: igofaster at charter.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 SCCA in Florida was not concerned and a fellow GT6 driver with a T50 was told by SVRA that they too were not particularly concerned with the T50. The stock T50 gearing is very similar to a GT6 with OD. So there is no advantage other than reliability. BobD Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Mar 7 21:19:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$%racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I picked one of these up off Amazon.com for those reasons. I should be trying it out at the race I plan to run end of March at CMP, and will post the video... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: Hello All: Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or company just thought it would be worth mentioning. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 21:40:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:40:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera In-Reply-To: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: A friend of mine here in Maui uses one extensively for in-water video. they work well. You need a fully charged battery and at least a 2GB SD card to get good use out of them, but the price is definitely right. On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's > website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for > taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video > quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate > further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the > product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 21:50:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last year. But it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I should have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "William G Rosenbach" ; Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as is. Of > course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already > dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the task. I > don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is just > going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out and > drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have evidence of > what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the > committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were unfounded > and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your face > on Sunday night as you are loading up)! > Call if you need any help - Ed > > senbach at juno.com> wrote: > >>>I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a > reliability improvement. > > Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they will > eventually rather have you there, as not. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:26:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:26:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > you will bust the box. dropped mine at the starting line last > year. But > it's vintage and I kind of agree, if I want day to day reliability I > should > have an engine closer to stock horsepower or go Miata racing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "William G Rosenbach" ; > > Cc: ; > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > > >> Bobby: Jack W. already mentioned that SVRA will accept the car as >> is. Of >> course, the hauls might make it unacceptable to you. You've already >> dropped the money for a GT6 gearbox, so jump in and finish the >> task. I >> don't agree with William; entering and canceling multiple times is >> just >> going to p.o. the group and keep you from having track time. Go out >> and >> drive the dog s@#t out of that GT6 box. If it breaks you have >> evidence of >> what you were pleading and your argument MAY hold weight with the >> committee. If you go years without busting it your concerns were >> unfounded >> and you still had a great time (translate that into a smile on your >> face >> on Sunday night as you are loading up)! >> Call if you need any help - Ed >> >> senbach at juno.com> wrote: >>>>> I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a >> reliability improvement. >> >> Enter, and cancel repeatedly, claiming gearbox failure. Maybe they >> will >> eventually rather have you there, as not. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 7 22:31:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or not, here's a retry: I don't know guys. this all sounds like "do it this way or go club racing". One of the things i always like about Vintage Racing is that you can do it your own way and almost always have a race. I'm absolutely certain that you could build a GT6 gearbox that would take everything you threw at it and work reliably all year--right in the original cases. All it takes is a hell of a lot of money. If that's going to be the determinant then get comfortable with it. I know exactly how that works. I'm occupying a little moral high ground here-- a rare thing for me. I use four speed TR3/4/6 transmissions in my cars. I haven't really added it all up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find I have four to five grand in each. My choice. I don't care if someone else uses a toyota five speed, good on 'em. I'll race them. Truth is we're all making this stuff up as we go along, and the aim is always the same--have fun. Substituting a similar gearbox that is not very expensive but is way more reliable is as much a way to avoid pissing away a lot of money as it is anything else. If you can't talk your sanctioning body into that then maybe you need a new one. Certainly reliability is a theoretical advantage, but so what? Truth is NONE of us are all that good. I certainly know I'm not. I'm not contesting at the outer limits of my cars capability--far from it. Every year I get older I suck a little more, make more mistakes, fail to take advantage of other people's errors. I'm not racing in a place where reliability translates into an advantage, I'm playing with old cars. Miata racing is boring. Club racing is boring. Vintage racing is fun. End of story. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 7 23:06:41 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: <014601c880e2$945c2490$d214c548@RW> > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:05:13 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:05:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <5535D026-3BC7-403D-9DC2-61EFC89360D0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47D248B9.1090404@bradakis.com> > wow, I got an odd bounce from FOT server. I don't know if this went or > not, here's a retry: > For some reason you had fot-request at autox.team.net in the recipient list of your message. The bounce was from Mailman not being able to figure out what sort of email admin request your message contained. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 8 01:07:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] did she buy this from mjb? In-Reply-To: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200803071738.m27HcmxA010433@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <47D24930.9080203@bradakis.com> What?? Are you trying to make some sort of statement about my stable of cars? Actually, the white squaretail Spit I drove last year still doesn't have the tranny cover in place, so one does get a good look at the road from inside ;-) I may get around to getting it dusted off and ready for spring driving weather soon. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 8 07:35:59 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:35:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera References: <000301c880ce$624b4ee0$26e1eca0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601c88129$bba47a60$6402a8c0@HOME> Weeks agon I've bought a Panasonic SDR-S150. A SD camcorder with good resolution and a small housing. It will replace my old VHS video cam which I've used. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: [Fot] In-Car Video Camera > Hello All: > > > > Saw an announcement about the following product in the recent issue of > Vintage Motorsport magazine and decided to check out the company's website. > After reviewing some of the sample videos and looking over the product > instruction sheet, this looks like a pretty good alternative for taking > in-car videos. The price looks attractive ($180) and the video quality > looks quite good. I haven't bought one but will investigate further. The > site is at www.goprocamera.com. No financial interest in the product or > company just thought it would be worth mentioning. > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From britbits at tiu.net Sat Mar 8 07:53:24 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg> <697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed From igofaster at charter.net Sat Mar 8 09:11:03 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 8:11:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GT6 T50 GEARBOX PHOTOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080308111103.L58MQ.16049.root@fepweb07> TRY TO SHARE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE T50 GEARBOX IN THE GT6+ BOBBY WHITEHEAD [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00085.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of DSC00080.JPG] From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 8 09:12:36 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Amici, I would have to agree with Kas. The secret is to use NOS parts in the box, not the garbage currently available. Yes, it is expensive. Yes, it is hard to find parts in a timely fashion, but the wise racer buys the stuff when it becomes available, not when it is needed (whoops, gave away a little secret). Shane Ingate in NM > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:06:41 -0800 > From: "Kas Kastner" > Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 > Amazing as it may seem, we just didn't have that much trouble with > gearboxes. After the factory finally added the ribs and gussets to the > TR-4-6 gearbox case as I suggested, the problems were over. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 8 09:19:55 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> Message-ID: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> > I wouldn't be surprised to > find I have four to five grand in each. I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a semi-rigid trans mount? Just kidding... sort of. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:31:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not me), etc. Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll be at least three grand into it as well. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> I wouldn't be surprised to >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a > semi-rigid trans mount? > Just kidding... sort of. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Mar 8 09:47:30 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I always just took one out of an old car and put in mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00> From: Billb at bnj.com> To: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes> > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand.> After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not> me), etc.> > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted,> do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source> gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll> be at least three grand into it as well.> On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote:> > >> I wouldn't be surprised to> >> find I have four to five grand in each.> >> > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to> > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a> > semi-rigid trans mount?> > Just kidding... sort of.> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> > TR4 #314> > Albuquerque NM> > Bill Babcock> Babcock & Jenkins> Billb at bnj.com> 503.936.7660> www.bnj.com> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 09:50:08 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1AFB5151-3456-4733-B929-BCC31D5CC14A@bnj.com> works fine, and that's exactly what I used to do. the occasional failure was just part of the deal. but I take long trips to race now, and I don't want stuff breaking on the road. On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:47 AM, wrote: > I always just took one out of an old car and put in > mine................usually tried to keep it under $150.00 > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:31:56 -0800 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR gearboxes > > > > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > > me), etc. > > > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything > blueprinted, > > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, > source > > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > > be at least three grand into it as well. > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > > > >> I wouldn't be surprised to > > >> find I have four to five grand in each. > > > > > > I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to > > > papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes > into a > > > semi-rigid trans mount? > > > Just kidding... sort of. > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > > TR4 #314 > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dos_gusanos at msn.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 8 13:33:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 8 14:05:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:05:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <000801c8815b$ad074140$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: sounds like a handy feature, it will keep you from shifting too frequently. You might consider adding a relay into the circuit. What you're being shocked by is not the 12 volts, but the flyback voltage generated by the solenoid. A relay has a solenoid too, but it's dinky and won't sting. an insulated switch would also do the job. On Mar 8, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rob wrote: > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 8 16:46:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:46:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> References: <20080307180351.07HKK.176248.root@fepweb09> Message-ID: <47D32538.5080707@pobox.com> Bobbie, Would you please clarify? Most of this thread has assumed you are installing a GT6 gearbox. I thought you were installing a TR4-6 gearbox. I don't know much about the GT6 box, but understand the reliability issues are like night and day. Larry Young igofaster at charter.net wrote: > First, kudos to Bob Davis, the builder of my lovely GT6 I purchased from him last year. Going through CVAR school and tech this past year, the 'issue' of my Toyota T50 gearbox was noted as an item that needed to be replaced. Now, Bob Davis had this extremely detailed catalogue and CD of the build process but I never had actually SEEN the gearbox in place until last night. > I pulled the exhaust system off which was extremely easy as the exhaust was in two pieces which seperated right below the header... i.e. I didn't have to remove both manifolds. I pulled off the transmission cover and holy smokes! > Folks... the T50 gearbox in the GT6 is an absolute amazing combination! It is easy to see why anyone would want to upgrade to the T50.. The gearbox itself is about twice the size of the little Triumph box. I lost sleep last night knowing I would call CVAR President George Curl and plead my case to leave the T50 although I've already bought a Quantum Mechanics box. > I'm pleading that it is not a performance improvement only a reliability improvement. I've lost my case. If I continue to run with CVAR I will have to change the gearbox out. > Who can I run with vintage that will allow me to run as I am? SCCA? SVRA? > Curious and sad... Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Sat Mar 8 19:57:21 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:57:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bobby bought a car that was well prepared and accepted as is by more than one vintage organization. He took the drivers school and they immediately jumped on him to get the gearbox changed. George even twisted my arm to come and help over the winter (4 hour drive each way) so that Bobby could get it up to CVAR spec before he came back again. While Bobby should be driving his car and learning how to be a safe racer while attaining his VMC license he has to stop and tear into a perfectly good car. Why can't this wait until something in the driveline breaks. It will happen and whether it takes a year or three who really should care? How long have the illegal engines been a problem. They aren't so obvious. I'm not talking Moldex or 89's here. We have some awfully fast FP cars too. Please don't forward this ot George. I don't want the feedback. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:53 AM To: 'EDWARD BARNARD' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Ed, Don't forget to dip the t-shirt in flameproofing. ;) And I disagree... George isn't the "great Oz".. he's more of a pain in the Oz. So, what you've got is the vintage race group run by a long time SCCA member. I'm just trying to figure out where the dividing line is between true "vintage" and what substitutions should be allowed, and which ones should not. I'd love to take a Ro-Spit on the track... I could probably make a really good argument for the reliability (or economics) of the rotary engine, 5 speed trans, and the Mazda LSD rear axle setup. I could probably use the argument that it wouldn't leak oil so it's inherently a better setup and should be allowed. Less work for the clean up crew, and less interruptions of the race schedule. Hmmm... there's my hook. I'll have to try that for next year. Or maybe dropping a Honda Civic SOHC engine into my race Mini. Sure, it'll look vintage.. just don't open the hood. ;) I wonder if I can get a Honda front disc setup that will fit within the 10" rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Autocross DM Spitfire '61 Morris Mini 1275S vintage racer ________________________________ From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim; 'Bob' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Jim: Check Kas's books; they weren't running stock axles even when the Spit's were current. I agree with your theory. I can go to the committee and argue that a billet crank is installed for reliability, then take that engine on the track and rev it higher than the guy with a stock crank. Been there done that! I just thought we were doing this for fun. Nobody told me there was so much at stake. Where were the big prize monies, pretty girls, and slick ads last weekend. I thought it was all for grins. There has to be a line somewhere. If Bobby's only advantage for pulling all that extra weight around is just breaking less I think George can give him that. But...the great OZ has spoken and we should respect that. George even made a point of coming to me and telling me that when the '39 Wetheroth midget comes to the track it has to be correct to run. In that case you can all have a hoot as I shift my Model A three speed, pump the hand fuel pump like a maniac down the front straight, and pull the hand brake while making the sign of the cross going into turn one! The only way to make it more vintage is to delete the safety harnesses, and wear my dad's old Cromwell helmet and a T shirt. Oh...the roll bar will be removable considering they weren't required when the car was current. Ed Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 8 20:30:56 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:30:56 EST Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 Message-ID: Well said Bob!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 08:19:21 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <003f01c881f0$931a07f0$6be435cf@jrg> Bob, Now you've lost me. What all did CVAR "dislike" about the car? Just the gearbox? Or were there things changed over the winter (after Eagles Canyon)? And I guess the real question was... during the discussions with CVAR was it a set list of changes required, or did it turn into a "honey - do" list with things added as Bobby went along? And was the authenticity committee involved? Run group leader? CVAR leadership? CVAR makes a bit point on the club website to "discuss a 'new' car with the various run group leaders" to determine elegibility. My concern is that these guys aren't giving a consistent story. When I ran in 1995 authenticity was a "nice idea" but not really enforced. They did suggest that I replace my 13" rims with 10", but it wasn't a requirement. Melting a piston going into Turn 1 meant I didn't have to worry about the rims after that :O Watching the dicing on track is interesting, but I think they made a philosophical mistake by calling it 'racing'. As an exhibition, things like the gearbox wouldn't really matter. My .02 Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:57 PM To: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I think an important point is being missed here, especially by CVAR. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 9 10:10:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:10:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <536080.46210.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c880d7$e6ee9ae0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <8A9B7BFC-D0A8-4DEF-8E3D-7815A3B878C3@bnj.com> <616143FD-B96F-4E23-87EC-86E71B830F2F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can add; close ratio gears from England, hardened lay shaft, custom made laygear with double length high speed roller bearings at both ends, REM treating of all moving parts, race prepared 'J' type overdrive, modified mounting brackets, etc. Allen On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Pretty easy really. start with dog box guts. there goes three grand. > After that the rest is easy. bigger bearings, expert assembly (not > me), etc. > > Or you can start with "original" guts and have everything blueprinted, > do a bunch of machining to upgrade all the undersized bearings, source > gears to build a close ratio box. By the time you finish that you'll > be at least three grand into it as well. > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > >>> I wouldn't be surprised to >>> find I have four to five grand in each. >> >> I'm curious, where does one put $5000 in a TR gearbox? Use it to >> papier-mbchi the case for strength? Perhaps laminate C-notes into a >> semi-rigid trans mount? >> Just kidding... sort of. >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 9 10:14:13 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 Message-ID: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there were cross over years? Any other tips from the outside that its a synchro, perhaps my memory fails me. Would not be the first time... Finally, I always assumed these transmissions were exactly the same otherwise; will it take the overdrive unit from my older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to exchange it? Frankly, I've come close a few times but for some reason, I kinda like being reminded that this car is truly from a different era and a non-synchro trans is a constant reminder, especially after a long winter... Its fun being able to match gears manually when a downshift into first while moving becomes necessary but I gotta admit that when you blow it - its not pretty. A skill that will go with our generation along with cleaning record albums, maintaining vacume operated winshield wipers and making salad from an actual head of lettuce... Cheers, Mark From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 8 17:27:36 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:27:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 10:35:39 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR and authenticity In-Reply-To: <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> References: <000601c880cd$dcad6020$2ce435cf@jrg><697863.44530.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c8812c$2b614c00$80e435cf@jrg> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CDA939B@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> <47D40B54.5080806@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88203$9f43c2b0$aae435cf@jrg> At very least CVAR needs to update the rules listed on the website. >From the website: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com/cvarrules.html Cars that are prepared beyond allowable modifications will be penalized points, reassigned to another race group or excluded from competition at the discretion of the Vehicle Regulations committee. Cars with more than 5 penalty points are not eligible for championship and may be moved to exhibition group So from what's posted, Bobby could be allowed to run but not be eligible for the cheap plank of fiberboard at the end of the year. In the mean time they're collecting dues and getting $$$ to help pay track rentals, etc. Yeah, I got burned out from dealing with some of the rule book waving autocross types who played personality games got get what they wanted. That's what I liked about CVAR at the I ran.... much more laid back. Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM Autocrosser '61 Morris Mini 1275s vintage racer and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:08 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Jim; EDWARD BARNARD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T50 gearbox CVAR and my GT6 I agree, Bobby should be given at least a year. CVAR should be more consistent in their treatment of cars which are new to CVAR versus those that have been there. I suspect there are cars that have been running for years with more important authenticity issues. As you know, my car has been in CVAR for the past four owners. When I got it, it was loosing the maximum number of authenticity points, and it had been that way so long that no one could remember what the points were being lost for. I corrected some of the problems because I wanted to, not because CVAR demanded it. I don't disagree with the CVAR rules, but they should be uniformly enforced. Larry Young From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 9 10:56:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:56:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Commercial Issues and the FOT Message-ID: After watching a recent exchange on several lists............ Our FOT has reaped the benefits of it's 'freewheeling' style of exchanging information, ideas, and product sources. No rules, no dues, no board of directors, no backbiting, no need. The benefits? Faster Triumphs Safer Triumphs Respected Triumphs Better Business Decisions More Knowledgeable Triumph Racers. This FOT list has fostered the development of several speed and safety related products, in addition to bringing back some race proven items of the past. That cant happen without a little 'commercial' discussion from time to time. Without any rules, we have the right to exercise personal discretion, without refering back to a 'manual'. Of course we cant make everyone happy all of the time. But I remember someone saying that is what a "DELETE" button is for. Joe A From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 11:43:44 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers Message-ID: Hello all, Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY replacement parts: Thrust washers Crank & rod bearings Timing chain Thanks in advance, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 9 12:12:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080309191222.5CD6E18765D@autox.team.net> British Parts Northwest has AE cam chains, trimetal bearings, and talks about decent thrust washers on their website. - Tony Drews At 12:43 PM 3/9/2008, Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: >Hello all, >Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of >the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only >normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk >part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. >While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY >replacement parts: >Thrust washers >Crank & rod bearings >Timing chain > >Thanks in advance, >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 9 13:10:05 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] A type OD Message-ID: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 9 13:24:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CCBE5A773064102AA66430CCE2EFE24@Mobil> I have a simple lever knob for shifting the OD at my steering wheel. The knob is connected to a relay. So there is low voltage on the knob. To keep moisture away from the knob I glued a cap of a text marker on the connectors. Looks nice. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 14:35:59 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 In-Reply-To: <000601c88200$9dd0b210$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three > decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the > synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember > driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted > it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there > were cross over years? I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, later 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But as I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > Any other tips from the outside that > its a synchro, The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right behind the fill plug. > will it take the overdrive unit from my > older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to > exchange it? You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of the countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's uprated plates. Randall From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 15:28:31 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hans device Message-ID: <001501c8822c$862235e0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> The hans device has been improved to hold the neck and head in a side impact as well as frontal Its called the hybrid.Its made buy Safety Solutions Fox TV high lighted it to day on a "State Farm safety report" on to days NASCAR broadcast Trouble is I can't find any more info. on it. Is anyone familiar with it?? I would suggest if anyone is getting ready to spring 800.00 to a 1000.00 bucks for the hans they may want to look at this product before they buy. thanks rob From lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 15:46:20 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA502EA72334E5-FF8-1E00@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Makes perfect sense. Glad I asked. Greg On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:58 PM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > probably main cap not centered fore & aft, only one washer took the > load. > HTH > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg - Lunker Hilyer > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 1:43 pm > Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers > > Hello all, > Tear-down of my race motor revealed a peculiar failure... top half of > the front thrust washer badly hammered. Other 3 halves OK with only > normal/minimal wear. Thrust area of crank looks OK. I suspect "junk > part syndrome" but am interested in any other explanations. > While I'm at it, I'll also solicit recommendations on QUALITY > replacement parts: > Thrust washers > Crank & rod bearings > Timing chain > > Thanks in advance, > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Mar 9 15:54:48 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 References: <20080309193600.NFZD20654.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <004301c88230$34254d00$6401a8c0@Elliott> Or maybe someone just swapped the top from an earlier gearbox with the dip-stick onto this one. I know that a late TR3A (TS 81551 L) that I restored had no dip-stick. My own 1958 TR3A (TS 27489 LO) has the dip-stick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-6 trans into TR3 >> I have been carting around a TR3B transmission for three >> decades assuming some day I would put it in my TR3 for the >> synchro. It does infact have the dipstick hole but I remember >> driving the car (TR3B) and liking the synchro before I parted >> it out when they were worthless ($500). Do you think there >> were cross over years? > > I don't believe so. The dipstick was deleted several years before the 4 > synchro box was created (at the same time the main casting was changed to > accommodate the later starter, at TS50000); and if I recall correctly, > later > 3As didn't even have the hole in the tunnel to access the dipstick. But > as > I mentioned, it's easy to adapt the dipstick top cover to the later box; > possibly someone knew that even 30 years ago ? > >> Any other tips from the outside that >> its a synchro, > > The 4-synchro box has a large cylindrical bulge on the LH side, right > behind > the fill plug. > >> will it take the overdrive unit from my >> older non-synchro transmission if I ever get motivated to >> exchange it? > > You'll need the OD mainshaft to match the gearset in the box (meaning a > different shaft between 3-synchro and 4-synchro). The adapter plate also > changed slightly, but I believe the early plate can be modified to fit the > later box by removing some metal with a die grinder (to clear the end of > the > countershaft). But since the early plates were somewhat weak anyway and > prone to leak; it might be better to just buy one of John Esposito's > uprated > plates. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 17:17:39 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:17:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <5B32515E-7D01-4BA4-8425-A0183E703952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > Makes perfect sense. Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : how the load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear washer ? Cap misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the lower rear washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it would carry the load from the clutch. Randall From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 16:15:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? Message-ID: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the valve guide. Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 17:37:39 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:37:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part added up to what I found. Thoughts? Comments? Please? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: >> Makes perfect sense. > > Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : > how the > load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear > washer ? Cap > misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the > lower rear > washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it > would carry > the load from the clutch. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 19:27:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A type OD In-Reply-To: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for > reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be > grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack > of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what > causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the > switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good > ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. > > When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative > voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your > ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best > solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to > suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in > electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic > controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the > solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the > negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It > could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. > > Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM > Subject: [Fot] A type OD > > With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need > to correct > > My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In > a rain > race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty > good shock > each time i activated the OD > > The switch has open poles and is not water proof > > Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or > will i have > other wiring considerations. thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:50:45 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lunker Hilyer" To: "Randall" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force. If the main cap were misaligned > rearward, the block journal half of the thrust washer would take all > the load. If the misalignment was slight, with clutch in, the rear > washer would still have clearance - not load... Or what am I missing? > > Just went and re-inspected and mic'd it. Wear is actually minimal - . > 001"-.002" depending where I measure as compared with the other 3 > halves. The failure area is not consistent around the radius but > rather "pock marks" in 3 distinct areas there the next layer of > material is exposed. Going back to my theory above, if the crank had . > 004" thrust clearance and the main cap was .002" out of alignment, > the rear would not come into contact until that .002" was worn off. > I'm now starting to put 2+2+2 together and including my pressure > plate failure [explosion?] into the equation. That incident [race > before last] is why, in addition to general freshening, I've got the > crank out to be crack checked. Now seems likely that the violence > from the clutch cover coming apart [it destroyed the bellhousing] > perhaps combined with the misalignment of a less than robust part > added up to what I found. > Thoughts? Comments? Please? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Makes perfect sense. >> >> Not to me ... can someone explain what I'm obviously not seeing : >> how the >> load on the front washer can be more than the load on the rear >> washer ? Cap >> misaligned means not enough clearance, that's obvious. But the >> lower rear >> washer would be just as tight as the upper front washer, plus it >> would carry >> the load from the clutch. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jwoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 9 19:55:16 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic photos that most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of "styles", from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut sheet of aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. Steve P. Steve, I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time lines which are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which must be respected. Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with the BRE "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. Spoilers always had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is incorrect. You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe in photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to conclude that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That would be true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations expect MGB's to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant in the eyes of a historian.B All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify time lines and periods of eligibility. If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't fit the template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you are outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional organizations. If you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to be racing against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if you wish to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they are defined and history dictates. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:58:28 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A type OD References: <955320.44754.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27F2A2E0-F2CC-4BF0-A694-2D0FA161C56A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001501c88252$3c130df0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Cool there are some boom boxes in this hood i would like to jam kidding Actually i am not it would be nice to shut down the kids with base so loud my teeth are rattling and there three cars back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Gary Schneider Cc: Rob ; FOT Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A type OD Nice advice, you could also do it with a big capacitor, but you might stumble upon a tuned circuit and be jamming radio stations every time you shifted. On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: A waterproof switch and insulated terminals are a good plan for reliability but won't fix the problem. The switch body needs to be grounded by a separate wire back to the trans or chassis. The lack of a ground means your body becomes the ground path and that is what causes the shock. The moisture provides a leakage path from the switch terminals to your wet hand. The shift lever is not a good ground, as the grease around its base is an insulator. When the OD switch opens, the solenoid generates a large negative voltage as its magnetic field collapses, same principle as your ignition coil. 12V won't give you a shock but that will. The best solution is a power diode from the solenoid terminal to ground to suppress the kickback voltage entirely. That's standard practice in electronic circuits since the kickback is destructive of electronic controls and switch contacts. The striped cathode side goes to the solenoid terminal, other side to ground. The diode conducts when the negative voltage occurs and harmlessly shunts out the kickback. It could be mounted right on your switch after the ground wire is added. Example Radio Shack part http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062579 Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 2:33:31 PM Subject: [Fot] A type OD With all the rain in Boston today it reminds me of a problem I need to correct My OD switch is mounted to a welded tab on the gear shift lever In a rain race with soaking wet gloves,suit and shoes I was getting a pretty good shock each time i activated the OD The switch has open poles and is not water proof Will a water proof switch and insulated mounting correct this Or will i have other wiring considerations. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as garygret at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 9 19:59:21 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:59:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor > the front washer[s] take the force > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the load. Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, but don't hold your breath. mjb. From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 20:06:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under the car was important too. On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage > sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic > photos that > most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of > "styles", > from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut > sheet of > aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. > Steve P. > > > > > > Steve, > > I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time > lines which > are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage > organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which > must be > respected. > > Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with > the BRE > "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. > Spoilers always > had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late > seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. > > My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is > incorrect. > > You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe > in > photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to > conclude > that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That > would be > true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations > expect MGB's > to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B > > As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant > in the eyes > of a historian.B > > All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify > time lines > and periods of eligibility. > > If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't > fit the > template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you > are > outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional > organizations. If > you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to > be racing > against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. > > This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if > you wish > to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they > are > defined and history dictates. > > Jack Woehrle > > SVRA Technical Director > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 20:34:43 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:34:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> <235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net> <47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth to see it in action, but I get it. So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >> the front washer[s] take the force >> > > When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the > load. > Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, > but don't hold your breath. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 20:46:20 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> Message-ID: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a > Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some > rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late > development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long > after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under > the car was important too. > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: > >> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >> photos that >> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >> "styles", >> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >> sheet of >> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >> Steve P. >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >> lines which >> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >> must be >> respected. >> >> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >> the BRE >> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >> Spoilers always >> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >> >> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >> incorrect. >> >> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >> in >> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >> conclude >> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >> would be >> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >> expect MGB's >> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >> >> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >> in the eyes >> of a historian.B >> >> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >> time lines >> and periods of eligibility. >> >> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >> fit the >> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >> are >> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >> organizations. If >> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >> be racing >> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >> >> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >> you wish >> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >> are >> defined and history dictates. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> SVRA Technical Director >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 21:16:05 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <20080310031614.SZZA17893.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 9 21:16:41 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA comp. It references Peter Brock. http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began showing up on the street. The rest is history". From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM From britbits at tiu.net Sun Mar 9 21:26:01 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reasonable source for TR7 wheel studs? Message-ID: <003401c8825e$7823d4d0$2fe435cf@jrg> Anyone know of such an animal? I was just looking at Rimmer Bros today... $15.50 before shipping. each. Ouch! TIA Jim Dallas From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 22:25:11 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:25:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity In-Reply-To: <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> References: <001b01c8817c$601f9730$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA5068EC3B5291-13A0-2E5E@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <1B03F70A-0362-4134-8D50-F63F7BED20FA@bnj.com> <9295C304-B78E-426F-817B-0748142E6406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I meant Peter Brock. On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] > under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake > cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. > Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it >> was a >> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >> the car was important too. >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>> photos that >>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>> "styles", >>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>> sheet of >>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>> Steve P. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>> lines which >>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>> must be >>> respected. >>> >>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>> the BRE >>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>> Spoilers always >>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the >>> late >>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>> >>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>> incorrect. >>> >>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>> in >>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>> conclude >>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>> would be >>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>> expect MGB's >>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>> >>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>> in the eyes >>> of a historian.B >>> >>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>> time lines >>> and periods of eligibility. >>> >>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>> fit the >>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>> are >>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>> organizations. If >>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>> be racing >>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>> >>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>> you wish >>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>> are >>> defined and history dictates. >>> >>> Jack Woehrle >>> >>> SVRA Technical Director >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 23:45:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:45:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <014f01c88251$284a9f00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward I agree. But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear flank of the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); transferring all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... certainly if something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force the crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust washer. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 9 23:14:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080310044534.PZAC23786.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <4818C17A-9EB7-4F63-8DEE-D1F5ED75F2C3@bnj.com> Lot's of things can ruin the front thrust washer, but one thing to check for sure is residual pressure in the clutch hydraulics. a lot of master cylinders are provided with a residual pressure valve in place-- you have to take them out if you're going to use them for the clutch. easy to determine if you have one--pump the clutch a few times, release and then open the bleeder. if it squirts, that's your culprit. Not only can it toast your thrust bearings, it's also very hard on the clutch and throughout bearing. On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Randall wrote: >> also...hard braking in a race moves the crank forward > > I agree. > > But unless I'm being stupider than usual, that would bring the rear > flank of > the center main journal up against the _rear_ thrust washer(s); > transferring > all the clearance to the front thrust washers. Right ? > > However it's hard to say what a clutch explosion might do ... > certainly if > something got wedged between the flywheel and block, it would force > the > crank to the rear, possibly hard enough to ruin the front thrust > washer. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 23:18:27 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:18:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity References: <20080310031651.FRMK19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <015601c8826e$2bf83780$d214c548@RW> We had done he same thing with the TR-6. Brake scoops. Hah!!! Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > From Tim's mag. An article on the 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadsters in SCCA > comp. It references Peter Brock. > > http://www.grmotorsports.com/backissues/datsun-2000-roadster.php > > "...The Morton and McComb roadsters incorporated several performance > modifications: a front air dam cleverly disguised as brake ducts > (these were the first cars in SCCA history to use an air dam)..." > > And from a Datsun site a quote from Peter Brock > > http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BREDevelopment.htm > > "Most people thought we were mad 'cause they were so ugly! But they > did the job. Under the rules no such device was allowed, but "brake > scoops" were permitted. My brake scoop design ran right across the > front of the car and complied with the letter of the rules so it was > permitted! Later everyone began to copy the idea and then they began > showing up on the street. The rest is history". > > From BRE's site. Picture on the car in 1968 with the airdam/brake duct > > http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=B&Product_Code=photo2000_image001&Category_Code=brearchivephotos2000s > > > > > At 07:46 PM 3/9/2008, you wrote: >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >>under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >>cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >>Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >>Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >>TR4 #314 >>Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From johnkipping at inet.net.nz Mon Mar 10 01:43:27 2008 From: johnkipping at inet.net.nz (John Kipping) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:43:27 +1300 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring lateral movement? In-Reply-To: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002801c88233$231c4f60$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <47D4E69F.5080005@inet.net.nz> The valve springs should have some sort of bottom collar - but I'm not sure how important it is. Mk Is had an inner spring which held down a small ring which sat inside the outer spring. Mk IIs had a pressed metal "top hat" section. Cars with double springs should use a machined "top hat" section. Scott Janzen wrote: > I am cleaning up a GT6 head someone else prepped and assembled. The valve > springs can be pushed sideways +/- 3/32" where they rest on the head. Prior > heads I have worked on had hat shaped (in profile) stamped "washers" that > prevented this because the crown of the "hat" fit into the inside diameter of > the spring and the hole through the middle fit fairly precisely around the > valve guide. > > Does it matter? Will the springs skate around or will they do what they are > supposed to regardless of ability to move lateraly? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 05:59:02 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:59:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR7 4 speed trans Message-ID: <3732729.1205150342930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am in need of a rebuildable 4 speed trans out of a TR7. I'm in So Cal Thanks Joe 818 350 6222 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Mar 10 09:02:16 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fine Cheese? Message-ID: Check out the TR3 again and read the questions that have been asked and answered. Close to $40K already and 5 more days to go. This guy can sell my next car for me.... Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170199490 934&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 10 10:08:58 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:08:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 10 10:30:22 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do like those 510s, you can get a lot of beans out of that motor. On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look > over the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought > of a lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at > the Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the > spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Mar 10 11:01:39 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SVRA regs. GT6- Group 44 style lip spoiler. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. JWoesvra at aol.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 03/10/08 08:08 AM To dave at microworks.net, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Fot] So a question? In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at microworks.net writes: Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as they did in 1968? Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over the fence. Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a lot of tricks but missed that one! You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the Datsun Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 13:21:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: Message-ID: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the kudos for the air dam. damn! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at microworks.net writes: > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > they did in 1968? > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > the fence. > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > lot > of tricks but missed that one! > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > Datsun > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 14:47:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:47:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA Message-ID: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 22:50:41 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:41 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However many of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam act by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone explain the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away with it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 and a > few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The > hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the > tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very good. > I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No > joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the > car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire of > the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets the > kudos for the air dam. damn! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > dave at microworks.net writes: > > > > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that > > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with > > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake > > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as > > they did in 1968? > > > > > > > > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing > > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over > > the fence. > > > > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of a > > lot > > of tricks but missed that one! > > > > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the > > Datsun > > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the spook. > > > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:06:23 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 10 15:11:34 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx Shane Ingate in NM Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 From: triosan at gmail.com To: hottr6 at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA CC: fot at autox.team.net So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got them. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 10 15:20:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? I'm not getting in this discussion. :-) > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first > got them. I got some from TRF about 4 months ago. They're a bolt-on and brand-new. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 15:43:10 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: <00c801c882f7$bcc306d0$d214c548@RW> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Steven Preiss" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a > spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a > devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the > spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down > on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a > couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear > spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you > can only go to the well so often. > > The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on > the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots > of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it > direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD > PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year > 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We > also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't > remember for certain without checking some old photos... > > In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru > 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. I also have several photos of my TR-6's at Riverside with spoilers and at the Atlanta runnoffs in 1971 WITH SPOILER. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 10 18:40:44 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0803101406j3cb45935uc61c695b61f45b7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D5D50C.7030500@cfl.rr.com> GT6's ran the same lip spoiler. Shane Ingate wrote: > Picture of Grp 44 spoiler here: > http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7358/Triumph_TR6.aspx > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:06:23 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spoilers TR5-250-6 and SVRA > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > So, what is a Group 44 style lip spoiler? Pictures anywhere? > > What is the best source of Alfin drums for TR6 now? Forgot where I first got > them. > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > > Group 44 style lip spoiler are allowed. > > > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZKQW4?OpenDocument > > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your > "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 19:56:36 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:56:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions Message-ID: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello guys and gals I thought I would forward this to the list incase anyone is interested ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: safety solutions > Rob, > > I send you e mail because we are not registered on the team net FOT (too > much e-mail) > > Safety Solutions appears to be a distributor for the Hutchens device > > http://www.hutchensdevice.com/ > > The above is the address for Safety Solutions > > I know nothing about them, I do know Hans came out this year with a more > economical model, the Hans sport, it sells for 695.00 and until June is > only available in medium. It has all the same qualities as the other Hans > but weighs more. > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. > > Check Specmiata.com for their forums, there is a lot of discussion about > the devices. I'm sure the circle track guys also talk it up on their > forums. > > Scott Adams > Stockton Racing - 71 Crowd > Cheif Shit Stirrer and Cook From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Mar 10 20:45:55 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions In-Reply-To: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001901c8831b$24642e40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 09:56 PM 3/10/2008, Rob wrote: > > Han's this year also came out with a sliding tether, that allows better > > side to side head movement, you would have to check with distributors, but > > I think it's a nominal addition if you buy a new Hans', or about 85 > > dollars outright. I think the helmet posts are a little different. The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a lot easier to see the corner workers' signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that I've ever done that, of course...). R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 11 05:35:21 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] HANS upgrade, was safety solutions In-Reply-To: <68.D2.04819.C62F5D74@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FE4F@server.Triumph.local> What a great idea. I just ordered my set of sliding tethers. The biggest issue I had with my HANS device was driving through the paddock with the tethers connected. Especially the big festival events where the paddock is busy. Getting a little movement here will be great! > -----Original Message----- > From: R. John Lye > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: safety solutions > > The sliding tethers are $75.00. This includes a new > one-piece tether, and the blocks that it slides through. It > also includes new, larger inner washers for the helmet. The > posts are re-used, but the inner washers are a bit larger. I > got my set a couple of weeks ago, and installed it last > weekend. I have not used it on track yet, but it should be a > lot easier to see the corner workers' > signals when re-entering the track after a spin (not that > I've ever done that, of course...). > > > R. John Lye From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 10:44:07 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. That's why I've been headed in that direction. If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know ARP carries so I can do it properly. Anyone willing to share their secrets? TIA Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and a few other potential race projects ;) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 11:00:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <6AB17262-60C4-474C-B239-3BB241CD13FA@bnj.com> No idea what spits use, but I always replace my wheel studs with long black studs. Not sure if you're dealing with some specific problem but it's trivial deal, I don't even drill them out to fit, just find a stud with a spline base that's the same or slightly larger and press them in. Your local Napa guy should be able to help On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Jim wrote: > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 > at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 > and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel > studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one > of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something > I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 11 11:35:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002501c8839e$58073d40$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Your best bet is to go to your local auto parts store and look through their catalogs (Usually Dorman) andfind a stud that will fit your application. They have a wealth of different sixe threads and shanks so that you should be able to find some that match. You will probably have to go with a Metric size since that is what most cars are coming out with these days. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Mar 11 11:31:58 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:31:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 11:38:25 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080311.113158.2216.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8839e$b6be5ee0$08e435cf@jrg> Dorman "166" wheel studs are what everyone pushes as "fitting a TR7". Correct knurl diameter... but they have a mushroom head, not countersunk. That's my other option, run a set of them on the lathe and cut the head down to fit the hubs. Just wondering if there was an off the shelf solution that won't break the bank. Cheers, Jim Dallas _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:32 PM To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question I know it was in a past millennium, but I recall buying wheel studs out of the orange & black Dorman drawer displays, found at any real auto parts and many hardware stores. The prices did not make you decide between mortgage and parts. What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 12:21:33 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Message-ID: <860427.42005.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amen to that brother! Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ---- From: William G Rosenbach To: britbits at tiu.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question What happened to that source? Oh! That's right. There are no more real auto parts or hardware stores. Bill From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:18:12 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <002f01c883ac$a6127460$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I got some extra long ones for my old Cosmic wheels at Summit. Those guys usually have a lot of choices for a cheap price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 01:37:00 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different block. To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on the bearing caps. OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple > stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth > to see it in action, but I get it. > So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front washer? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and therefor >>> the front washer[s] take the force >>> >> >> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >> load. >> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >> but don't hold your breath. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 14:01:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> If that's the case it might be a good idea to get the crank magnafluxed. Last time i saw bearing caps that were swapped/rotated was on a Jag 420 motor and the crank was cracked in four places. On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:37 AM, MadMarx wrote: > what about a miss alignment of the of the bearing cap? > Maybe it was a replacement and was rebored to fit to a different > block. > To check this, compare the numbers stamped on the lower block and on > the > bearing caps. > OR, the cap could have been mounted 180 degree turned. > > Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thrust washers > > >> Right you are! Amusing to me how easily I get mixed up on the simple >> stuff. Had to go put the cap on the crank and move it back and fourth >> to see it in action, but I get it. >> So... Question remains. Why the [near] failure of the top/front >> washer? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >>> Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: >>>> Seems to me that clutch loading pushes the crank forward and >>>> therefor >>>> the front washer[s] take the force >>>> >>> >>> When the crank is moved forward, the REAR thrust washer takes the >>> load. >>> Hmmm, maybe I'll work on some cheesy ACSII graphic to demonstrate, >>> but don't hold your breath. >>> >>> mjb. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 11 14:10:04 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Thrust washers In-Reply-To: <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> References: <20080309221739.FCWY2695.mta16.adelphia.net@randall><235173B2-222A-4DB2-B020-1E91A5AAAC0B@earthlink.net><47D495F9.2010502@bradakis.com> <30E308D2-01BD-40B8-82FF-66C638A59E98@bnj.com> Message-ID: Those mistakes can happen very easy. I remember year 2006 when I assembled my engine and made a photo from downstairs into the crank/piston area. At the evening I examinde the photos and by accident I found that two rod caps were rotated because the cap numbers were on the wrong side. Would habe been a fatal firing up next day...... From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 11 14:20:18 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid compatible hose Message-ID: <47D6E982.9050307@cfl.rr.com> I need hose longer than comes in the Tilton master cylinder kits for the remote reservoir. Any suggestions for a brand or type at 5/16th ID? I know your average hose will not hold up to brake fluids. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 16:49:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From BillB at bnj.com Tue Mar 11 15:57:02 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have Panasports and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 16:47:43 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000601c883c9$eb962550$0302a8c0@Bud> many of the nuts that appear closed actually are open nuts with caps that will punch out with a screwdriver Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Jim" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of WILLIAM TOBIN > Sent: Tue 3/11/2008 3:49 PM > To: Jim; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > Hi, you might try JEGS 800 345-4545, or any of the other Hi Perf places. > JEGS has ARP and MOROSO lugs in various sizes. $3or so each. > > A related question: what are you guys using for lug nuts? I have > Panasports > and use their acorn (closed end) nut. I'm going to longer studs and need > open lug nuts. (No smart answers!) > > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA (The snow's melting) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > > >> Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at >> Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and >> $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! >> >> Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? >> The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining > required. >> That's why I've been headed in that direction. >> >> If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take >> something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of > them >> funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I > know >> ARP carries so I can do it properly. >> >> Anyone willing to share their secrets? >> >> >> TIA >> >> Jim >> Dallas >> '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser >> and a few other potential race projects ;) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 11 19:04:03 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:04:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4A IRS on Cape Cod Message-ID: <20080311.210403.6599.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> The other day I came across a very rusty TR4A IRS for sale in Orleans, MA, out on Cape Cod at Tedd's Garage. Lower fenders and rocker panels were shot and I did not look much further than those. Tedd says that the frame is good and that he has some spare sheet metal to include. I did not look to close and did not think to take pictures, but I will likely be back out that way within a month or so, if anyone is interested. Tedd is asking $3000.00 for this, which I personally thing is about $3000 too much, but I guess as the tide rises for the nice cars, it also rises for the not so nice. Tedd is into Morgans so if you had any Morgan stuff, he may trade. He is also looking for a vintage sprint car and would also likely be interested in a trade. NFI. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijldpy3U8gKYiQnSYPAskDcod hmruPzeqBxzblW0tL3bfRVgO/ From britbits at tiu.net Tue Mar 11 19:19:04 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 Message-ID: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> During the holidays my brothers took me to see an abandoned side curtain Triumph race car. Bright orange, #16, looks like the driver's name on the rear fender might be something like S___ Dickey #16 EP Only visible from the rear quarter, so I can't tell off the bat what vintage. Central NJ. Just curious if anyone had run across the car during the years. As it sits it's pretty rough, with trees growing through the trailer. Maybe Triumph World could sponsor a restoration, they seem to like rust bucket project cars. Cheers, Jim Dallas From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 11 23:45:47 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:45:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 10:01:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:07 -0500 > From: "Jim" > Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question > To: > Message-ID: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf at jrg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ok, so far I've found a low of $10 (approx) at TRF and a high of $24 at > Moss. That is per wheel stud, 16 per car. So figure between $160 and > $384, just for new wheel studs this season. Yikes! > > Really the question was: what are Spitfire racers doing for wheel studs? > The TR7 stud is a direct drop in to the Spitfire hub, no machining required. > That's why I've been headed in that direction. > > If there isn't a direct drop in, it's worth machining the hubs to take > something common, so I don't confuse the parts counter kids with one of them > funny furrin cars if I need a replacement in a hurry. And something I know > ARP carries so I can do it properly. > > Anyone willing to share their secrets? > > > TIA > > Jim > Dallas > '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser > and a few other potential race projects ;) Hi Jim, Yup, it's me again. I just sourced bigger, stronger replacement studs for my Triumph Vitesse - which has the same original studs as GT6/Spitfire. I had to go metric, but what I used, after much chat on the Club Triumph etc forums were Land Rover Freeland Wheel Studs, part # CLP9037L. Cost is a nominal 1.20 GBP each, and there is no further machining required. You should be able to order them through your local Land Rover dealership, or online? Here is a link to the Triumph technical forum to which I belong, with photo of the stud in question - the one with the purple loctite. http://www.sideways-technologies.co.uk/forum/Blah.pl?m-1200842228/s-new/ Good Luck. Lion Guyot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 12 07:56:26 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg> <054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 08:38:38 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question In-Reply-To: References: <001701c88397$207f8eb0$b3e435cf@jrg><054301c883ca$3380f160$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <000f01c8844e$c3043ed0$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> I bought some lug nuts from Summit for the Panasports on my TR3 (with the alloy front hub conversion). The part number was GOR-90087 and the cost was $4.39 for a pack of 4, these are open end and are available in different sizes. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+m-syork=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:56 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Followup to TR7 wheel stud question On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > Cut off the end of the nuts with a angle grinder--it's just a tin cap. Interestingly, some are not just caps! I have a set of 7/16-20 lugnuts (barrel type) for my American Racing 4-spokes that were closed-ended... we tried "popping the cap off" to no avail, so we had to chuck them on the lathe and turn them down to expose the threads (so that we could use them on the 3" studs we'd installed). So if you can't knock the cap off easily, next stop is the machine shop. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as m-syork at comcast.net From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 12 09:25:32 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Looking for info on East Coast racing TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> References: <000801c883df$11374680$84e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <8CA526C7268D8FA-F3C-26F@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> I know exactly where that car sits! I've been trying to buy it for years!!!! Susan Dickey is the name of the woman who drove and still owns the car. I don't know much else about the car's history. There was a pic of the car in Classic Motorsports "Ran When Parked" section within the [past year, I think. Usual story, car is not for sale,due to dreams (which probably won't come true) Rich Rock From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 6 16:44:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:44:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS References: <96E99354E34A3747A95AC1C439BB55B9565326@LAEXCHG3.fulpat.local> Message-ID: <012001c87fe3$fd9567f0$d214c548@RW> Just effort to lighten up the day. : Fwd: SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS Basic Shop Tools and Their General Purpose DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted vertical stabilizer which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light . Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh shit!" ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age. SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper. EIGHT-FOOT LONG YELLOW PINE 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off of a trapped hydraulic jack handle. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible future use. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids and for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use. DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. "JESUS CLIP": A small circlip or hairpin-style retaining clip typically used to hold small shafts in place (ie: carburetor throttle shaft). The name comes from every mechanics' expression the moment when a circlip pops off the shaft and falls under the car. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Jon Goodman Ad .Hoc Creative 816-822-7676 816-822-0244 FAX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 9 21:12:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] authenticity Message-ID: <010f01c8825c$98e22a20$d214c548@RW> Pete Brock did the "spook" thing on his 2 liter Datsuns, probably first, this is most likely in about 1968 or maybe 1967. Brock Yates was not a "make a car" guy. Pete Brock was really ahead of everyone on this. We had spoilers on our TR-6 cars, 1970 and after, but neither of these are air dams. Air dams in > production would be a nightmare of warranty claims when folks run into the parking cement blocks, as you know they will. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity > > >> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA] >> under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake >> cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way. >> Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters? >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a >>> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some >>> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late >>> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long >>> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under >>> the car was important too. >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage >>>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic >>>> photos that >>>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of >>>> "styles", >>>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut >>>> sheet of >>>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets. >>>> Steve P. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time >>>> lines which >>>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage >>>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which >>>> must be >>>> respected. >>>> >>>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with >>>> the BRE >>>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970. >>>> Spoilers always >>>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late >>>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted. >>>> >>>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is >>>> incorrect. >>>> >>>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe >>>> in >>>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to >>>> conclude >>>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That >>>> would be >>>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations >>>> expect MGB's >>>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B >>>> >>>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant >>>> in the eyes >>>> of a historian.B >>>> >>>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify >>>> time lines >>>> and periods of eligibility. >>>> >>>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't >>>> fit the >>>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you >>>> are >>>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional >>>> organizations. If >>>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to >>>> be racing >>>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period. >>>> >>>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if >>>> you wish >>>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they >>>> are >>>> defined and history dictates. >>>> >>>> Jack Woehrle >>>> >>>> SVRA Technical Director >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 10 15:33:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:33:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <00ae01c882f6$573bed50$d214c548@RW> Somewhere along in the early 70's the SCCA allowed everyone to have a spoiler with a specific ground clearance. Might have been 1971. It was a devil of a time to get the right proportion of glass and carbon so the spoiler was off the ground I believe 2" for checking and then right down on the track at 85 mph. (You know, like the Ferrari rear wing in F-1 a couple years ago.)Unfortunately the factory would not produce the rear spoiler I designed and fitted and tested to great advantage. I guess you can only go to the well so often. The factory reduced the size of the front spoiler from my racing type on the production cars to clear the parking lot cement blocks. There are lots of photos of my TR-6 around and if you cannot find one I'll send it direct, not thru this list. The factory included as STOCK STANDARD PRODUCTION, a spoiler on the front of the TR-6 I believe in that year 1971. I do have a photo of a stock TR-6 and the factory stock spoiler.We also had a big spoiler on the GT-6 for 1972 and maybe earlier, but I don't remember for certain without checking some old photos... In my book "Historical and Technical Guide" (# 2 book) on pages 187 thru 193 is about those spoilers and the photo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > Did you'all study the photos sent us by the Vitesse racer? Dont know the > dates, cause I had to delete the files, but yes later than 68. However > many > of the usual suspects are pictured. Everyone was getting into the airdam > act > by then. And no pretense of brake cooling is apparent. Could someone > explain > the logic to justify that because only the Datsuns officially got away > with > it at the time, that only the Datsuns are allowed to run them now. What > about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of > character from the original look than the dams? > Steve P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? > > >> I have shown photos to many of the double spoiler we had on the TR-250 >> and > a >> few arguments with the tech folks. ( the photo is in one of my books) The >> hoses from the double layer spoiler were kind of small, but as I told the >> tech inspector, I could not be blamed that my engineers were not very > good. >> I see this fellow every once in a while and we do laugh about it now. No >> joke then though. BUT, this is was not an air dam. Looked at that but the >> car looked so bad we could not justify running it and gathering the ire >> of >> the sales dept. This was a time when bad was just plain bad. Brock gets > the >> kudos for the air dam. damn! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? >> >> >> > In a message dated 3/9/2008 11:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > dave at microworks.net writes: >> > >> > Since Peter Brock was able to get a full car width "brake duct" that >> > also functioned as an airdam allowed in 1968 could you run a car with >> > a Vintage group using post 1968 rules with one of these brake >> > duct/airdams? Even if their rules specifically outlaw an airdam as >> > they did in 1968? >> > >> > >> > >> > Only if you have a Datsun roadster or 510. The BRE (Brock Racing >> > Enterprises) "spook" is legal. I guess you Triumph guys never look over >> > the fence. >> > >> > Anyhow, you cannot put a spook on anything else. Sorry, Kas thought of >> > a >> > lot >> > of tricks but missed that one! >> > >> > You can go to _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com/) and look at the >> > Datsun >> > Supplemental Regulation for Roadsters. It shows a pictute of the >> > spook. >> > >> > Jack Woehrle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 07:27:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] SHOP TOOL DEFINITIONS---addtl use and application for Table Saw Message-ID: > TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch > wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Table saw is also used for shortening middle finger and has a nice ring to it when the bone strikes the carbide tipped blade..... the second stage of a Connecticut Snow Blower may used as an alternative, but does not have the nice ring to it....especially when the sound is masked by loud humanoid noises in the Connecticut Woods. Said Connecticut Yankee and Iowa Farm Boy will be comparing Length of Digits at Watkins Glen. Joe A PS: I gave the Table Saw back to my son, with my DNA, and I think Connecticut Yankee is giving his snowblower a wide berth. PPS: Unlike Mr. Bobbitt, our appendages were not salvageable. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Thu Mar 13 08:21:13 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:21:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts Message-ID: Hi folks A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help with. I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the tr250 and tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are almost oblong and designed to be like this. the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard wheel stud, but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm thick in the same vein as the silverstone spinner. My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too clever. Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? Whatdayaknow ? Regards Tony From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 08:24:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:24:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented and why they are illegal? Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be involved somewhere. Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 13 08:52:07 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:52:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 13 09:17:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:17:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Amici... I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. That's got to be a hoot. Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 13 10:21:24 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313152124.MRZU24323.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > Following a motorcycle this morning got me thinking about his > blue dot taillights. Anybody know why they were implemented > and why they are illegal? > Seems rather stupid so I suspect "The Wild One" to be > involved somewhere. Ever since the advent of mass production, car (and motorcycle) owners have been seeking ways to look "different". Blue dots are just one of the more enduring items of bling from the post-war years (when was the last time you saw a raccoon tail tied to an aerial ?). Not illegal everywhere, but where they are, it appears to be because tail and brake lights are required to be red. Anything not mandatory is forbidden. IMO they are actually more likely to be noticed than ordinary red brake lights; and I'm not aware of any research to the contrary. Randall From REK46 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 09:41:33 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: They looked great on my 1960 Valiant ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 09:42:34 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:42:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE Alloy Wheel Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DD7A01A-FC56-44C2-9F83-FDCC3458471B@earthlink.net> Tony, If I'm understanding correctly, what you have were called Uni-Lug pattern. There were different adaptors available that when put into the "oblong", allow mounting on various lug patterns. If this is what you have, I'm sorry to say that they are not suitable for racing and only marginal for street use. Most American Racing wheels of the era everything that the name implied but yours I'm afraid may not be. A shame- I always thought the Daisys were very nice looking wheels. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:21 AM, tr4.tony at virgin.net wrote: > Hi folks > > A quandry I have that I'm sure you chaps across the puddle can help > with. > > I have a set of American Racing 4 spoke alloy wheels as used on the > tr250 and > tr6 .... I believe you call them daisy pattern. The bolt holes are > almost > oblong and designed to be like this. > > the nuts comprise an inner segment which screws onto the standard > wheel stud, > but the hole is off centre meaning that the 'inner' nut threads on > eccentrically. Over these fit a thin cast alloy nut cap about 2mm > thick in the > same vein as the silverstone spinner. > > My qusetion is what on earth are these ..... They don't look too > clever. > Should I use standard are lug nuts on these ? > > Whatdayaknow ? > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 10:01:34 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:01:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <001601c88523$838462a0$1502a8c0@Belkin> wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 13 11:01:45 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:01:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: That's like I said before, the way they keep moving these events further East the next one will be 200 miles out in the Atlantic ;-)) wow... $4.50+/g 6000miles 10mpg avg I want to go. M. Dunst www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific > FOT, > > The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT > Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) as gasket.works at gte.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 13 11:13:42 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:13:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D960C6.4030502@bradakis.com> Gee, that reminds me I was going to call them up and get a subscription sent to Bailey's shop, so I'll have something to read while waiting for my knuckles to stop bleeding! mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 14:17:21 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:17:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Dennis Delap Message-ID: <819FB83C-8BE6-4DAC-BB8E-32AD06F81860@earthlink.net> Dennis, Please contact me off list. Or if someone could send me his e-address. Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 14:44:13 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Blue dot taillights Message-ID: <29604920.4768501205441054072.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I have blue dots on my 35 Ford and they look Cool. Dean T. >From: REK46 at aol.com >Date: 2008/03/13 Thu AM 10:41:33 CDT >To: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Blue dot taillights >They looked great on my 1960 Valiant > > >************** >It's Tax Time! Get tips, >forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > >(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Mar 13 15:25:32 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:25:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: <6856876b992b4a6a910f2946fbab3e67@mitchelplumbing.com> Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. The item #'s are: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1936-Standard-Ten-DHC_W0QQitemZ270219395410QQc mdZViewItem?hash=item270219395410 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1948-Triumph-1800-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702193982 81QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219398281 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1949-Triumph-2000-Roadster_W0QQitemZ2702194003 66QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270219400366 or 270219395410, 270219398281 & 270219400366 You could buy all three of these for less than an original TR3! Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 19:00:33 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? In-Reply-To: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From Herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 20:53:46 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:53:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumphs for sale Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:27:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: Any of you interested in buying an old Triumph (or Standard) there are a couple for sale here locally listed on ebay. Tempting as always. And, as always, no money to satisfy temptation! I happened across that listing for the Standard 10 drophead coupe and forwarded it to a UK Standard Motor Club forum. At least one of their very knowledgeable members does not believe there are any such cars in the UK, so this one could be very, very rare indeed. Meanwhile, there just seems to be a ton of 1800/2000 Roadsters on eBay of late! Where ARE they all coming from? :-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 21:17:43 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:17:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 05:47:46 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeff Snook is down there with Glen taking care of the TR3 this weekend. All was well the last time he called the office. I think Henry Frye was going as well as Mike Jackson. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 at aol.com To: net at lists.mv.net Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [net] FOT at 12 hrs sebring?? Amici, Did any FOT members go to Florida?? Curious, I'm here and wonder if I'll find them when I get to the track. Thanks,Bob T Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Mar 14 06:05:38 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c885cb$b8bdc940$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Hi Bill, SVRA lists the TR7 in group 8 and I understand VDCA will honor that as well. I don't know about any of the other groups. Group 8 seems to be where all the big bore stuff goes so I don't think a TR7 in IT trim will be remotely competitive but he would be allowed to run with at least a couple of the vintage groups if he wants to. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WEmery7451 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:18 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) >> Dear FOT, My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? Any information will be appreciated. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ofbracing at nefcom.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 14 09:49:16 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) In-Reply-To: References: <8CA538479DCD380-D14-1D1E@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5385F0BB2847-D14-1D87@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Mar 14 13:38:35 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 14 13:49:23 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning References: Message-ID: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Mar 14 14:07:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:07:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning Message-ID: Saturday night in the paddock. You betcha! I've narrowed synchro rings on the concrete at California Speedway before! In a message dated 3/14/2008 12:47:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 14 14:36:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Swedish tuning In-Reply-To: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> References: <00c001c8860c$8283e2b0$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, MadMarx wrote: > Wanna know how the swedis do? Have a look. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ It'sll take a LoooooooooOOOOOOOOONG time to get that baby up to 12:1 Probably 2 or 3 cases! :-0 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Mar 14 15:14:54 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? References: Message-ID: <007e01c88618$cfe2e630$6401a8c0@S1099895562> >From this Speed Channel page: http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/what-to-watch-on-speed-from-australia/ What to Watch on SPEED from Australia Written by: SPEED Staff SPEEDtv.com 03/10/2008 - 11:24 AM Charlotte, N.C. Formula 1 coverage on SPEED from the Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park in Melbourne, Australia: Thursday, Mar. 13, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Practice (L) Friday, Mar. 14, 2008 11:00 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (L) Saturday, Mar. 15, 2008 11:30 p.m. EST Inside Grand Prix 12:00 a.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (L) Sunday, Mar. 16, 2008 1:30 p.m. EST Australian Grand Prix (re-air) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on > Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I > was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if > there is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices > scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > > Cary > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Mar 14 16:08:33 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David Riddle) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? Message-ID: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on Saturday. Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. The race should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of late braking for passing in the corner. Next year should be very entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the little winglets and flip-ups they have now. I think third period qualifying will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint with. Dave Riddle I am out of the office. Message sent via the MicroWorks Webmail server.. ---------------------------------------- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? The information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there is no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ Lasers..... However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... Cary **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From wes at hsrca.org.au Fri Mar 14 16:31:45 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:31:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? In-Reply-To: <318ce859b1bd4064b0aa2f6f676a8fb0@microworks.net> Message-ID: Not surprisingly, here in Australia coverage is extensive (free to air TV) amd of course at sensible times (live). There has been quite a lot of discussion about the future of the Australian GP, with Mr Ecclestone apparently threatening that Melbourne will either move to a nighttime event or lose it. This year the race has been moved to 3:30 local time as a compromise and I think 2009 is planned to run at 5:00pm. Bernie has said essentially "that's not enough - move to a night event or you'll lose it when the contract is up in 2010". Australians don't tend to react too well to threats. All in the interests of television. Wes Dayton (Sydney) On 15/3/08 9:08 AM, "David Riddle" wrote: > Depending on where you live the schedule is good for us. Here in AZ practice > was at 8pm last night. Qualifying is at 8pm tonight and the race is at 8pm on > Saturday. > > Practice last night was very entertaining. Without TC the cars > were all over the track on coner exit. Loved Hamiltons full on four wheel > power slide. Also without the aid of the engine blimping the throttle when > heavy braking the drivers were having to throw in tons of opposite lock to > "try" and keep the rear end at the rear. Many times they failed. > > The race > should be very interesting to see who can master the cars to take advantage of > late braking for passing in the corner. > > Next year should be very > entertaining too when they lose lots of the areo downforce with the ban on the > little winglets and flip-ups they have now. > > I think third period qualifying > will be more entertaining too since it will only be ten minutes long (out lap, > 2-3 flying laps and the in-lap) with no ability to add ANY fuel to the car > between the start of the thrid period and the start of the race. No fuel burn > down period. Carry the fuel you want to qual AND run your first race stint > with. > > Dave Riddle > > I am out of the office. Message sent via the > MicroWorks Webmail server.. > > ---------------------------------------- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:40 PM > To: > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Formula One on Television ? > > The > information on speedtv.com schedule indicates Friday night coverage of > Australian qualifying but the schedule has nothing about coverage on Saturday > night's for the race......with three children with Saturday ball games, I was > thinking about skipping qualifying......but maybe should reconsider if there > is > no race coverage. If someone knows what happening, please advise.... > Quick update on my racing ....83 team ball games and practices scheduled > from March 1 through May 31...assist coach on the Tasmanian Tigers and LJ > Lasers..... > > However, there are occassional vrooms from the garage.... > Cary > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money > & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > dave at microworks.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wes at hsrca.org.au From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Mar 14 17:01:04 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff References: Message-ID: <062d01c88627$48638f70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, contact Jack at SVRA (jwoesvra at aol.com) regarding car specs, and Carl Jensen (you'll have to look that one up, sorry) about licensing. SVRA usually accepts SCCA licenses, although they may want you to attend a Driver Orientation Program to go over the subtle differences between Vintage and other racing. (It's a non-contact sport). Sometimes also a Track Orientation Program; I attended one at the Glen last year and it was excellant. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie,PA Vintage TR6 Basically stock with shaved TOYOs PS If you're near Gingerman in South Haven MI, they have a great Vintage school called the Spring Brake in early May. Highly recommended. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff > In a message dated 3/13/08 6:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > << The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kas > tner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and > Moss Motors) >> > > Dear FOT, > > My boy, William G. Emery completed in six SCCA regional races last summer > with his TR-7. He is thinking about trying to run the above vintage race. His > car competes in ITB. In other words, it is nearly stock with treaded tires. > Would his car qualify to run in any of the groups for this race? What would be > the requirements for him to do this -- join a vintage group, etc? > > Any information will be appreciated. > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 09:15:32 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Mar 15 10:07:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance Message-ID: Friends, I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about .030". While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). The thoughts I'm having is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the improvements if any? This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and would do it if it made sense. I'm also concerned with partially milling off the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier 6 motors. Thanks for any input. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 10:46:10 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <96D0F14B0D53483C8F439A30D144D13F@Mobil> I recommend -> grind them flat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 15 10:46:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube Message-ID: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 10:58:05 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> Message-ID: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and cam. second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > places on > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > each, > Web Cams $5.00 each. > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 15 12:08:23 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Message-ID: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can find with a surface plate. Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Larry Young" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > >> Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >> reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with >> a flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably >> make the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your >> lifters and cam. >> second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >> need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >> hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >> california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What >> you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters >> with very flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: >>> Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. >>> resurface >>> the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few >>> places on >>> the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams >>> $11.70 each, >>> Web Cams $5.00 each. >>> Larry Young >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From goodparts at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 13:34:33 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Charly, I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a couple thousandths above since. Richard Good Charly Mitchel wrote: > Friends, >I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the block zero >deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top of >several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is a later >TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is about >.030". >While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I tried >swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers and this >seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of the crank. >While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to a fellow >that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he likes to >have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >The thoughts I'm having >is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what were the >improvements if any? >This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >would do it if it made sense. >I'm also concerned with partially milling off >the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I have no >problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the earlier >6 motors. > >Thanks for any input. >Charly Mitchel >TR6 #44 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 12:43:39 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001f01c886cc$7ddbb420$6502a8c0@HOME> My testing with 0.023" deck clearance failed. The pistons kissed the head very slightly. I use 0.035" to have a little safty. Cheers Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 14:18:36 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA54F0E20C8DF3-DF0-3848@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> They were separated by 1/100 in the sprint race yesterday, in favor of the red one IIRC... Either way, a good day for TR-3s! Glen just back from Sebring so I can watch the finish on TV tonight -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: fot at autox.team.net; robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:49 am Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) Just spoke to Jeff at the track, and he and the Glen Effinger prepared, and (shameless plug) maintained by moi TR3, won his class in the enduro and his class in today's sprint race. TR for the win. Terry Stetler Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 14:29:14 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:29:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Keeping The British End Up. (Sebring) TR-3 victory Message-ID: And to think, some people can't understand why many of us enjoy this so much!! Go Triumph!!! Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Mar 15 14:44:33 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:44:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube References: <00f801c886bc$255fad20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <03a101c886dd$6074a250$0201a8c0@Bevan> You know, I'm certain the guy who was having his head 'tested' with a hammer once worked in the canteen kitchen next door to Engineering :) Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire crash test on youtube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNj1hQFlFkM&feature=related > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as standardtriumph at btinternet.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sat Mar 15 16:16:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair amount of raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems to be made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. Does the pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. body? Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 months ago. I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the gauge is busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions would be great thanks rob From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 16:59:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:59:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weber air horns for 45's Message-ID: Amici, It seems to be a night for Webers... Has anybody got a couple of slanted airhorns for 45 DCOE's to spare. They are about 2" long and slope upward slightly, maybe 15 degrees? Steve **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:09:44 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck Clearance Message-ID: <9a2d19bff0f72f47a908249d5942ea0b@wi.rr.com> Charly, I run .007 above deck with JE pistons. My head gasket measures .032 after torque giving me a clearance to the head of .025. Have run as high as 7500 rpm with no interference. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 15 17:18:18 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In-Reply-To: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <001d01c886ea$3accd1f0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <03c86c1ab5a40b11516f85d66df3f13e@wi.rr.com> Rob, I run triple 40 DCOE Weber's and never exceed 2 psi. Weber's are very sensitive to fuel pressure. I was told to run between 1-1/2 - 2 psi. Check with Pierce Manifold at: http://www.piercemanifolds.com/ for questions regarding your pump jets. They are most helpful. Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Rob wrote: > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:32:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:32:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass floats check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for leaks. If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > On a pre season start up check for gas leaks I am finding a fair > amount of > raw fuel from the pump jet dripping into the throat. Will to much fuel > pressure cause this? The pump jet washer does not look great and seems > to be > made of aluminum. The washers all look to be in the same condition. > Does the > pump jet cover push down on the pump jet and seat it into the carb. > body? > Needle and seat are 2 years old and everything was running fine 8 > months ago. > I believe the float adj. is correct but has not been checked today > The fuel pressure has not been changed sense last season but the > gauge is > busted and I am on my way out to get a replacement. Could the fuel psi > regulator given up? It was last adjusted for 3lbs .Any suggestions > would be > great thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Mar 15 17:35:34 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> I've read quite a bit about this stuff. I'm not sure I understood everything about contact stress patches, etc. The bottom line seemed to be that the lowest contact stress occurs when the cam has no taper and the lifter is dead flat, and everything lines up perfectly. The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. I'm talking about a 50 to 100 inch radius of a sphere, which gives something like 0.002 inches. This very slight radius on the lifter surface helps to compensate for any misalignment, and results in much less stress than contact on the edge. I should add that Triumph apparently did not subscribe to this idea for the TR3/4 (not sure about later models), because they used flat lifters. Most of the after market lifters have a crown. There is no reason not to put a slight crown on a reconditioned OEM lifter. Real problems seem to occur when there is a convex surface on the lifter. That is why reusing old lifters is a no-no. I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry Bill Babcock wrote: > I was being imprecise saying that a radius isn't proper--most flat > tappets have some spherical crown, but it's a very large radius, and > the best lifters I've found by far for wear on the cam and the lifters > at high RPM (6800 shift point) are the ceramic ones I have in Peyote's > two-year engine, and they have no crown at all--at least none i can > find with a surface plate. > > Unfortunately I can't find any more, and I hear they can suddenly > break, but my experience is an engine run hard for two years, > including the fourteen events of the All Aluminum tour, with > absolutely NO wear on the cam and not a mark on the lifters. > > I've seen tappets that have been reconditioned with radius that more > like what you see with hydraulic tappets. I think that's a really bad > idea. Given my druthers I'd rather have the completely flat. > > On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 AM, John McCue wrote: > > >> That's not what the guys at Huffaker or APT say. John From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 15 17:40:37 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:40:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: I tried to contact the guy that did the ceramic lifters - phone disconnected. We might as well quit talking about them. Larry We had a major player in the drag race world here in Vegas supplying ceramic lifters. He went out of business and the ceramic issue is purported to be to blame. Apparently the US military is buying every bit of the base stock so there's nothing left for the civilian market. That's the story anyway... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jwoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 15 18:18:05 2008 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] So a question? In-Reply-To: <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all aboutB appearance. The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement. I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 15 18:59:40 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:59:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: <20080315.205940.10763.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I have used Cam Craft Cams in Maryland (http://www.camcraftcams.com/) and even have a set there being reconditioned now. They get $8 each to resurface. Yes, I can buy new ones for that price, but with the time that I have in to them to lighten them, it is worth the cost of resurfacing, instead of replacing. Joe(B) -- Larry Young wrote: Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few places on the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 each, Web Cams $5.00 each. Larry Young Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to receive information from occupational therapy schools near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlRt8oIoDxVRW0MeG85JRZmk IXIjgtHoUrQBUJRZ9t2eJpeN/ From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 21:00:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:00:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] So a question? Message-ID: Jack, while I wouldn't argue with what you said you sure managed to put a "FINE" point on it IMHO. What was the saying....Flame On!! Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Gary Fuqua CVAR & VSCDA & maybe sometime in SVRA if I can stand the heat! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 08:57:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:57:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] So a question? References: <008d01c882e3$e9c09a80$d214c548@RW> <005301c8826a$4ba18540$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <8CA551256C2110D-1198-2F96@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006b01c886ac$ea2fb0b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> JACK THANKS FOR THE "CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE TYPE OF FRONT SPOILER SVRA HOLDS ACCEPTABLE. THAT IS WHAT I AM IN THE PLANNING STAGES OF PRODUCING. I WANT TO USE IT ON THE TR3, HOWEVER. ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS? STEVE P. ----- Original Message ----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: spreiss at verizon.net ; kaskas at cox.net ; dave at microworks.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] So a question? What about fared plexi windscreens allowed by SVRA? Are they any less out of character from the original look than the dams? I have been away for a week but y'all may have already finished this conversation. I have said it many times before but perhaps not on the TR list.....it is all about appearance.The Perspex windscreen (read Lexan) is a nice safety upgrade that does not detract from the appearance of the car. The period rules allowed windshield removal and required a racing windscreen. I don't even understand your statement.I can't for the life of me understand why you guys want to hang these air dams on your cars and then argue about "period" or "non-period" appearance. Look at the old pictures and replicate what the real racers did in "the day". Don't come up with crap that didn't happen and try to justify a reason for it. Get your noses out of the "boy racer" catalogs and try to get in the spirit of what we do. Why can't you make a spoiler that replicates what the guys like Kas and Bob Tullius used? Why do you have to buy a POS fiberglass AIRDAM? I fight this battle all the time. If you want the modern look and think that is KOOL, SCCA or NASA will be happy to take your money.Jack WoehrleSVRA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 16 04:51:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:51:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment of lifter and cam surface. The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam taper. Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 15 16:54:59 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:59 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com><725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com><000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa><9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> <003501c88753$b152d450$6502a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <000a01c886ef$9939d8f0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do hydraulic lifters address this problem? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Larry Young" ; "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > My opinion is, that the clearance lifter to wall does compensate missalignment > of lifter and cam surface. > The domed crown was created to enforce rotation in combination with a cam > taper. > > Evidence for this is, that nowadays cams die very quickly. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Young" > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning > > > > Apparently, they discovered somewhere back about 1940 that in practice > > you can't get perfect alignment, so if you make everything flat, you'll > > probably end up with contact on the edge. For one thing, you'll get > > some misalignment because there is clearance between the lifter and the > > lifter bore, so the lifter can tilt slightly. This is when they came up > > with the idea to put a slight crown on the lifter. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 16 08:55:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> <000601c886c0$ea3517d0$a940c44a@johnkbv4bfa8sa> <9404A71F-7E10-43FC-B2B8-C13B6F91587E@bnj.com> <47DC5D46.1050800@pobox.com> Message-ID: <47DD34C4.1010509@pobox.com> I meant to say "on the edge of the cam", e.g. due to misalignment. Larry Young wrote: > The worst case scenario is when the contact occurs on the edge of the lifter. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:03:09 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:03:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:12:05 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 16 09:17:19 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:17:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: Plastic floats for SUs? My street TR3 has had Webers since day one of restoration, 27 odd years ago (I think). Never a problem with floats. Terry Stetler From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 16 09:25:50 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:25:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current Summitt catalog. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:29:21 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:29:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 8:19:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin writes: Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? I am unaware of plastic replacements for the size we use in our old SUs. Am I missing something? Bill Not you, I. Followed the title block and missed that we'd switched the topic to SU's. Sorry to confuse the issue I haven't looked at an SU in about twenty years... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 09:43:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe References: Message-ID: <000c01c8877c$7e9fb770$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I have used the plastic floats for 7 years with good results. On needle and seat inspection one of them has a nasty nick in it and needs replacement Also on that same carb the float tang was not centered on the spring ball of the needle The float would land hard on the out side of the ball socket Its pretty wild how it can move that much over a season The setting of 7mill closed and 20 mill on the open held true on the other carbs. But they are all leaking at the pump jet . With the geometry of this float I may replace it simply because I can't seem to bend it into the correct position to land on the ball and still meet the 7 mil (closed clearance) off the top cover The Webber tuning manual from Overseas auto subjects filling the bowls with light oil.What would be the simplest way to remove the oil? Could the bulk of the oil be removed with a syringe after removing the main jet? Still it may still be a smoky start up will the plugs fowl ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern > fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with > empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe > fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the > post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before > starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but > I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. > The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. > He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern > solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view > in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 09:47:30 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to g-load issues. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I simply went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a failure with the plastic? Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:05:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: webbers 40 dcoe Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Allen Washatko > Date: March 16, 2008 11:04:40 AM CDT > To: Gt6steve at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > My Weber's came with plastic floats and I have not had a problem in > three years. > > Allen > > On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >> simply >> went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >> failure with >> the plastic? >> >> >> >> >> Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share >> of float >> problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >> issues >> down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >> modern fuel >> additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >> with empty >> fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >> believe fuel >> evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >> the post >> during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >> before he >> starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route >> from our >> shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >> Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >> before starting out >> again, but he had another failure at Sebring. >> >> Two more comments. >> >> ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo >> (sp?), the >> SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >> but I've >> had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >> Roadster >> Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >> source. The >> ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). >> >> TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >> Specials >> Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >> race. He >> recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >> modern solder >> (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >> solder >> containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not >> sure how that >> fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck >> with the ones >> we've repaired ourselves. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >> view in >> Indianapolis are cheaper? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money >> & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:07:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0b3714aedd7ff86cc5f1ffe1923abe6a@wi.rr.com> You can avoid that by extending the pick-up to the bottom of the bowl with a SS tube. Make sure to angle cut the bottom tip. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:47 AM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it > lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. > By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic > floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to > g-load issues. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > > Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I > simply > went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a > failure with > the plastic? > > > > > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of > float > problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float > issues > down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested > modern fuel > additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' > with empty > fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we > believe fuel > evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on > the post > during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full > before he > starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from > our > shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in > Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls > before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > > Two more comments. > > ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), > the > SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, > but I've > had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, > Roadster > Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same > source. The > ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > > TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English > Specials > Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we > race. He > recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with > modern solder > (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old > solder > containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure > how that > fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with > the ones > we've repaired ourselves. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a > view in > Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 10:14:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <031620081525.553.47DD3BFE000685640000022922230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 16 11:43:29 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <000e01c8878d$3f0c2c40$6401a8c0@blake1> fot at autox.team.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 16 10:54:19 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? In-Reply-To: <5b01991e1d517f2c1e90d9ce842cd967@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <611811.20250.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack Drews used to sell a really nice scatter sheild for the TR4 - www.tonydrews.com has a link to UncleJacksRacing products. Dennis Allen Washatko wrote: I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 14:12:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1962 Trunk Lid Needed in Minnesota-TRIUMPH HERALD Message-ID: List(s) There is a guy in Minnesota that was transporting a Herald. It was his mother's car and he is trying to restore it. The trunk lid was lost in transport. I dont know this guy personally, but I agreed to help. If someone can help, please let me know...privately. I suspect this guy has no TR network at all, like this list of enthusiasts. Thanks, Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 14:30:11 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:30:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Message-ID: Dear FOT, I appreciate the responses I received about the above vintage race. My boy traveled from his home in Williamsport, PA to Pittsburgh yesterday to visit us. I printed these responses and gave them to him. The question was why a car with a four cylinder 2.0 liter engine would be grouped with the V-8's. The TR-3''s and TR-4's all have 2.2 liter engines. I am sure that his car wouldn't keep up with most of these cars. I would think that they would want to keep most of the TR's together. Maybe his car is considered too new, and that they use Group-8 as a catchall to allow people to participate. I noticed that there is one other TR-7 listed as registered in this race (Classic Motorsport magazine). Maybe he has an ex-Grou p 44 car. <> I can certainly identify with the above. For a number of years, they grouped the EP cars with GT-1, GT-2, AS, etc. My memory may be failing, but didn't Paul Neuman briefly race a TR-6, and beat the Group 44 TR-7 car? Then he had someone drive around the grounds with a sign that said "Six is faster than seven." ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 16 14:38:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:38:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Kidney Bean" Aluminum Wheels - Info or wheel needed Message-ID: I have three good kidney bean style wheels from the 70s, I believe. These three are 6" wide 15" diameter with four bolt Triumph bolt circle. I also have two more that are really wide...at least 7", if not wider. I dont have a use for the wide ones, but would like to have one or two more of the 6" wide ones to make a complete set. Anyone have any?...or a source? I can provide a digital picture. Thanks! Joe A From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 16:51:44 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning In-Reply-To: <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> References: <47DBE814.2010704@pobox.com> <725FFA7C-B2AF-4B0E-8557-8659C36A6EA2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCs360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Trying to find a solution to this problem, I recently purchased a quantity of lifters from each of the major suppliers -- BPNW, Moss, and TRF. I had eight tappets from each supplier checked for hardness. I found that none of these suppliers furnish tappetts that are consistently in the middle 50's, Rockwell C scale. For example, the eight I had checked from one supplier measured 45, 48, 49, 51, 51, 52, 53, 53. The lowest reading I got on all of the lifters tested was 30. In addition, some of us are going to a cam that requires a full diameter stock lifter. Of the three above suppliers, none of them had the full diameter face -- all had a chamfer around the contact end of the lifter that reduced its contact face diameter. I checked with one heat treat company and they told me that chilled cast iron cannot be successfully nitrided so it sounds like that is not a possibility. At 11:58 AM 3/15/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Larry, a crown isn't proper. They call these flat lifters for a >reason--they need to be dead flat. The cam is designed to work with a >flat lifter. A crown will reduce the contact area and probably make >the lifter stop rotating. A pretty sure way to toast your lifters and >cam. > >second, reconditioning lifters is pretty iffy anyway. These things >need to be as hard as they can be. Grinding them without some >hardening process involving vile chemicals known by the state of >california to cause instant death and an alchemist is scary. What you >need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with very >flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >On Mar 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Larry Young wrote: > > > Can someone recommend a shop that reconditions lifters, i.e. resurface > > the foot of the lifter with the proper crown? I've seen a few > > places on > > the web, but some seem rather expensive, e.g. Integral Cams $11.70 > > each, > > Web Cams $5.00 each. > > Larry Young > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Mar 16 16:37:03 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was webbers 40 dcoe now SU floats In-Reply-To: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA55942D879819-1424-2781@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200803162252.m2GMpwCr360103@ns3.geneseo.net> Time for somebody to start a little project to get one of the many commercial producers of carb floats to make some in the configurations we need. I'm covered with special projects at the minute, but a google search on this subject turns up some interesting stuff. At 10:47 AM 3/16/2008, fubog1 at aol.com wrote: >We had one fail in Jeffs car Friday morning as well, fortunately it >lasted the race. The solder joint at one end of the tube failed. >By plastic I assume that means changing over to the side pivot plastic >floats, which seem to work fine except that they are sometimes prone to >g-load issues. >Glen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gt6steve at aol.com >To: BillDentin at aol.com >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe > >Interesting observations and not a word there I would dispute. I >simply >went to the plastic floats and never looked back. Has anyone had a >failure with >the plastic? > > > > >Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of >float >problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float >issues >down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested >modern fuel >additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' >with empty >fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we >believe fuel >evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on >the post >during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full >before he >starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from >our >shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in >Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls >before starting out > again, but he had another failure at Sebring. > >Two more comments. > >ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), >the >SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, >but I've >had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, >Roadster >Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same >source. The >ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). > >TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English >Specials >Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we >race. He >recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with >modern solder >(no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old >solder >containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure >how that >fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with >the ones >we've repaired ourselves. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a >view in >Indianapolis are cheaper? > > > > > > > > > > >**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Mar 16 17:36:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Deck clearance In-Reply-To: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> References: <47DC24C9.80301@verizon.net> Message-ID: Richard, While working on the car today, I thought more about your email. The following questions came up: how much had you shaved the head, what type (thickness) of head gasket were you running and was the problem created by a sticking valve? Allen On Mar 15, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Richard Good wrote: > Charly, > > I went .012" above once. Made good power till a piston kissed the head > and disintegrated. It happened at 7000+ rpm. I have stayed within a > couple thousandths above since. > > Richard Good > > Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> Friends, >> I'm building a race motor for my TR6 and have a few questions >> about the deck clearance. On the last motor I built, I made the >> block zero >> deck clearance on all the pistons. To do this I had to shave the top >> of >> several pistons and mill the block .020". The motor I'm using now is >> a later >> TR6 motor with the recesses for the head gasket seal. This recess is >> about >> .030". >> While measuring the piston travel for each cylinder I find the >> distance from the top of the block varies from .004" to .013". I >> tried >> swapping pistons around to see if there was variance in rod centers >> and this >> seemed to make no difference. I'm guessing this is from maching of >> the crank. >> While I was pick up my block from the machine shop I was speaking to >> a fellow >> that was building Ford 4 cylinder racing motors and he was saying he >> likes to >> have the piston .008" above the deck. This is supposed to help with >> combustion swirl (I think that is what he called it). >> The thoughts I'm having >> is has anyone tried this with the TR 6 cylinder motor and if so what >> were the >> improvements if any? >> This would be fairly easy for me to do at this point and >> would do it if it made sense. >> I'm also concerned with partially milling off >> the recess around the bore and what consequences that may have. I >> have no >> problem completely removing the recess since that is the style of the >> earlier >> 6 motors. >> >> Thanks for any input. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 16 18:38:31 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:38:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? Message-ID: <0b61f4b39a8b4561bffcff2fe9795200@mitchelplumbing.com> I'm curios about what efforts you've invested to remedy the problems associated with the TR6 crank problem. Can you share with me? I've purchased a Cambridge flywheel and had it machined to accept a Tilton clutch I will be balancing the entire motor and do whatever else I can. I have been paranoid to go over 6000 rpm. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Washatko Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:16 AM To: vanlake at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shield ?? I've invested alot of effort in making sure that the flywheel issues are handled. The last teardown looked very good. I usually shift at 6800-7000 rpm but have been know to run as high as 7500 when necessary. Allen On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, vanlake at bellsouth.net wrote: > Reading many of these threads, you can't help but notice the REV"S are > now expected to be in the+7500 range. Are any of the TR6 drivers > using a protectice device on the bellhousing? You can't help but > notice where the clutch and flywheel are located in respect to your > feet and ankles. Is there a product or DIY device that any of you are > using? didn't see the old familar Kelvar blanket wraps in the current > Summitt catalog. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 16 19:37:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:37:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: [WtW] John Finch Message-ID: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:35:43 -0700 >To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com >From: "David W. Riddle" >Subject: Re: [WtW] John Finch > >http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > >At 05:28 PM 3/16/2008, Diane wrote: >>Anyone have any ideas for this man?? >>This is just terrible, & I wish I could do something, but I don't know what. >>A few of his friends have been helping & set up this website. >>Diane >> >>Andy sent this back to me the first time because the list doesn't >>accept html links...so please figure this out phonetically, & visit this site! >>Thanks! >> >>www dot cwnicholls dot net slash fitch slash fitich dot com From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 19:47:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. John's quite the guy. The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining with him today. It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of life he should be basking in his past glories with friends. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 15 08:17:05 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:17:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wanted: best experience purchasing brake tubing (for TR4A (solid axle) Message-ID: List: Looking for some support..... Looking for the best opportunity for ordering the brake tubing and fittings. TR4A Chassis with Solid Axle Configuration. Prebent tubing OK and may be preferred. Stainless Steel OK, but not absolutley necessary. Some custom fabrication will be required at the master cylinders. In the interest of time, it may be contracted out. Your recommendation of source and configuration appreciated. Thanks! Joe A The-vintage-racer.blogspot.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Mar 16 20:59:44 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lifter Reconditioning Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/08 2:54:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes: << What you need--what we all need, is some very hard lightened lifters with ve ry flat non-chamfered, non-crowned faces. >> The hardest lifters that I ever came across were those that I took out of an old engine, which I was disassembling. They did not look too bad on the bottoms. I took them to my machinist to have the bottoms reconditioned, and to cut some metal off of the tops, as outlined in Kas's book. Those lifters were so hard that my machinist couldn't cut them. He sent them to another machine shop, and they could not cut them either. My machinist was able to lighten lifters that I had bought. Either the old lifters were made a lot harder, or they are hardened by being beat around in a stock engine while being driven thousands of miles on the highway. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 16 21:34:16 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Bill On Mar 16, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Thanks, Dave, for posting Diane's W2W post. > John's quite the guy. > The WW2 fighter pilot, Fitch Corvairs, Mercedes team driver...... > http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html > > I'll know more next week about what's going on, friends are dining > with him > today. > It hurts to see such a nice man endure this stress in the time of > life he > should be basking in his past glories with friends. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > '72 Stag '74 Spitfire > "Reality... It's not what you think." > http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 17 02:21:40 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:21:40 -0000 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. Me too! Can someone provide a snail address for cash donations to be sent? I've no confidence in PayPal getting money across frontiers into a currency different from the issue currency. I've read the story on the website and it makes me as angry as those who say PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) is "just a character weakness." As of now, John Fitch's case will receive exposure in the UK on the Triumph Trans-AmeriCan Charity Drive Spitfire that's offered as first prize in the UK raffle draw. The car is going on public display at some 30 major events in the UK this summer and this is why I need a snail address to put on the poster so others can make donations too. Jonmac From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 17 05:06:36 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 17 05:49:25 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <469324.99308.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Geoff: Being a Moss distributor may give me a different track than your own, but contact the salesperson named on the top of your invoice. If I ever have a problem...short parts, too many parts, quality, etc, I contact my salesperson (Stu Bowman) and he makes it right. Moss has always made every effort to make things right and have always accepted my feedback about the quality of their parts Thanks - Ed. Geoff Byrne wrote: Amici Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Mar 16 16:29:39 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:39 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least acceptable quality. One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt with > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric > . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs of > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing one > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem and > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any suggestion > to get some satisfaction > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 07:40:04 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch In-Reply-To: <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <20080317013840.XBRI1982.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><00e401c887d0$d5e633c0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> <055401c88807$edd7f180$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <011d01c88834$6821c660$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Thanks guys! I have emailed the Carl Goodwin and Don Klein to find out what the plan is and how/when to donate. I'll add to my websites and post here also when I find out more. Some AOL folks are having difficulty with the address, so here's a bunch of variations. If you haven't looked at the slides from the 70's and early 80's, check out the rest of the botchagaloop.net site. Lots of old Triumph stuff... http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html http://www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html There's a link under Al Olmstead's photo at: http://www.botchagaloop.net also to John Fitch's bio information http://www.racesafety.com/fitchbio.html Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 17 08:04:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:04:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: > www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html > egads! there has to be a solution to this.....mounting a huge public outcry cant hurt. I have been to John's colonial period home, and in the total scheme of things, it hardly seems a significant threat to our environment, even with a leaking fuel oil tank. isnt it on a list of historic places? it would be in Iowa. there isnt much that old around here. easy target, apparently. big money in industrial areas is harder to get to. what a nightmare! From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 17 08:12:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:12:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] John Fitch Message-ID: In a message dated 03/16/2008 9:34:54 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Hell of a guy and has been greatly honored, I've spoken to him several > times at the Monterey Historics. I think publicizing this through all > the vintage organizations could raise enough money to eliminate the > problem. I'd donate, I suspect others would too. > > Amici... I too have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Fitch at Lime Rock, Road America, and Watkins Glen events. A true Icon, and still looks the part (a stately gentleman these days). But I am confused with what is described here. I thought there was a 'Superfund' that addressed the cost of underground fuel tank leaks. Could that be something peculiar to Wisconsin and/or commercial applications? Bill Dentinger ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 08:19:15 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kevlar flexible bellhousing blankets Message-ID: <002001c88839$e21a7fc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Does anybody have any experience with one of these that will fit a GT6 or Spitfire bellhousing? All I can find are for drag racer applications. From herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 09:31:09 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA565B0F4598B9-15F0-559@Webmail-mg04.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss Geoff Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). ==AM== My most notable such experience with TRF was EXTREMELY SATISFACTORY. I bought a pair of their own tie rod ends for a Spitfire (with the grease fitting on top). With the first set I received, both tie rod ends were actually cast / machined / drilled / threaded significantly off-center; they 'wobbled' greatly as I tried to thread them onto the tie rod. Not good. I contacted TRF and was given (no charge, of course) another pair, which was fine. Approximately six months later, I discovered that the boots on the tie rod ends had already cracked (this while the car sat awaiting other work). Again I contacted TRF and was sent a replacement pair of rubber boots by return post. I have had a similar experience with Moss USA. I truly believe that the best suppliers will listen and WILL ACT appropriately in such circumstances. ==AM== One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on a very loose standard. (No pun intended) ==AM== I think I know what you're saying...or maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Anyway, I think I might want to disagree. If perhaps some of us might be more articulate in explaining why we feel a given item is inferior, then ok. But I don't feel that any of us is somehow more deserving than any other Triumph driver. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Mar 17 09:39:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <1664.128.143.17.27.1205768389.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. This already exists, and is maintained by an FOT member. Check out the "Monster List of British Parts Suppliers" at the "Dimebank Garage" John From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 10:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and I need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 10:38:52 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:38:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I have dealt with Moss on a number of Marques and when I have had a problem all I had to do was call them (My Sales Rep) and it was taken care of. There have also been a number of times when I tried to order something listed in the catalog only to be told, while they had it in stock, they were NOT pleased with the quality and would NOT sell it. That to me indicates some decent degree of responsibility. At least when they know there is a problem. Just my 2 cents. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 17 12:32:07 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:32:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service References: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89@GEOFFPC> <001201c887b5$39390e50$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <010b01c8885d$3520d7a0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> One problem with this master list is the availability of parts at the time requested. I've received NOS parts at times expecting cheap replacements and next time get replacement parts. I've also received parts from VB and TRF with Moss #'s and vica-versa. It is very difficult to know where they come from at any time. The best company for this is BPNW, but are limited on parts. They will tell you up front if they're Asian or NOS or British made. VB is impossible to find any information about the parts, TRF is a little better and Moss takes a day usually. This is my point of view as a distributor of parts. Charly Mitchel Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 British Sports & Spares 1602 Center St Tacoma, WA 98409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: "Geoff Byrne" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > Geoff > Had a similar experience with The Roadster Factory regarding molded rubber > parts (i.e. shift boots and tie rod end gaiters). Wound up sending a letter > to the owner, which brought satisfaction of a sort, but not before having to > reiterate the issues with him over the phone. Even then he was defensive. My > thought is that much of what is sold by these companies is based less on > quality than on inventory. When you think about it, most restoration > projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get > completed! If pressed, they will refund your money. That does not solve the > problem, unfortunately. I think it would be a great service if we (FOT) > would undertake the compilation of a list of suppliers by specific > components, those which members have found to be of superior, or at least > acceptable quality. > One other thought. When dealing with the companies, if we identified > ourselves as members of FOT, we may get better service, and ultimately cause > them to pay more attention to the quality of their parts. I am certain that > the specs they submit to their suppliers both here and overseas are based on > a very loose standard. (No pun intended) > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Byrne" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > > > Amici > > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts quality dealt > with > > by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot > bush > > which was part of a large order. On attempting to fit the bush I found > it to > > be over size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not > concentric > > . > > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts > > The material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It shows signs > of > > poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk and I ended up purchasing > one > > locally. I wrote to the Moss immediately and appraised them of the problem > and > > suggest they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid other > > complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss and any > suggestion > > to get some satisfaction > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Mar 17 12:31:12 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0D7B4121@kb1.mossmotors.com> Geoff: First off apologies that your input appears to have been disregarded. I checked our Product Information folder and could not find any comments on the 330-240 (55911) bush. We try to keep ears and eyes open for any problems with our products but the best way to report any kind of product problem to Moss USA is by pulling down an e-mail "contact us" sheet from: http://www.mossmotors.com/AboutMoss/ContactUs.aspx Fill out the information such as part number, invoice etc. then send it to the Tech Services e-mail address. This goes straight to the tech queue which is read by 5 techies (like myself) who try to figure out what is going on. We try to keep up on any written complaints and phone calls, but e-mail is the best way to work as the document can be saved and becomes a permanent bit of history. Every e-mail that comes in this way is logged and saved with any follow up comments and actions. We are constantly working on product availability and quality issues and any feedback from a knowledgable source is sincerely appreciated. We do our best to ensure that the products offered are correct, but there is no substitute for the hands on experience of the installer. If you could forward me a copy of your input, I can guarantee follow up. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:36 +1100 > From: "Geoff Byrne" > Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > To: "FOT" > Message-ID: <5E7E5A351A7B48F2AD0C69C0D93A9E89 at GEOFFPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > Have any of you had experience getting a complaint re parts > quality dealt with by the Moss . Some time back i purchased a > TR3 gearbox input shaft spigot bush which was part of a large > order. On attempting to fit the bush I found it to be over > size in OD , under size in ID and the OD and ID were not concentric . > Both the input shaft and main shaft are original parts The > material appears to be brass not bronze as required . It > shows signs of poor machining . The bush was a piece of junk > and I ended up purchasing one locally. I wrote to the Moss > immediately and appraised them of the problem and suggest > they check the rest of their stock of this item to avoid > other complaints . in spite of 3 follow up emails i have had no reply. > have others had similar problems with service from the Moss > and any suggestion to get some satisfaction Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 15:25:22 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. http://www.teamtriumph.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar >I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >I > need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. > > Thanks, > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 15:48:52 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:48:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar Message-ID: I think he's an FOT member also ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 16:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar References: <8cbd782d0803170900x65056e0dj45032261fc2c6aa0@mail.gmail.com> <003601c88875$696b4cd0$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <007101c8887c$2f1a8ad0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have had good experiences with Scott on new and used parts also. Good selection, prices, ships the same day if you get him early enough, condition as represented. Check his website for hours as I believe he works 11-5. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Major" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "listTriumph" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > For good used TR parts at reasonable prices I go to Scott Harper at Team > Triumph, Warren OH, check out his web site. > http://www.teamtriumph.com/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; > "listTriumph" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 parts needed for my racecar > > >>I need a lever that goes on the gas pedal shaft to operate the linkage and >>I >> need door latches [left]. Neither is available from the ususual 3. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 17 17:31:35 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 backing plate question Message-ID: <20080318003127.D489818766A@autox.team.net> I noticed that in my pile of backing plates that bolt on the the rear of the block on my TR6 engines that some plates are thicker than others. Some are aprox 3/16 and others are about a full 1/4" thick. Can anyone let me know what this is all about and if it makes a difference as to which one I use for the race engine I am building. I am using a late model block and crank with a late model 4 speed bolted to it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 17 18:43:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803180043.m2I0hPDD139013@ns3.geneseo.net> Due to interest sparked from some FOT exchanges about scattershields, I have a couple of requests for them. I will ask the fab shop to make one run. If anybody else is interested in one, let me know within three days so you can be included. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6, made from 1/4" thick aluminum 6061-T1. You can see a picture at www.tonydrews.com link "jack's parts" uncle jack From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:58:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:58:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2008 11:18:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: I can't speak for SVRA, but in CVAR any kind of spoiler on a TR3 would bump the car up. Quite simply you cannot run a spoiler of any kind on a TR3 or TR4 at SVRA. They both run in Group 3 which does not permit spoilers. Having said that, at Watkins Glen when we feature Triumphs, we WILL accept entries from TR3s and TR4s that have later specifications and a SCCA logbook to prove they are real race cars. They will not run in Group 3 however. Jack Woehrle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 20:05:47 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:05:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service Message-ID: I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 21:53:19 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 17 22:08:45 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:08:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c888ad$c2d2be10$6401a8c0@blake1> Sorry nearly 50. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:53 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me they would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to replace my parts, but I had already fixed them. I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, that's good for me. Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good company. Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that what you order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 17 21:08:11 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <47DF321B.2030903@dfn.com> Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 years, > that's good for me. > The major problem when something goes wrong is the time necessary to research the problem--and getting to the root of it is just the first step necessary to correct the problem. Just getting a supplier to acknowledge that a part is not to print is often like pulling teeth. For example, I spent half a day today trying to get an axle supplier to give me a good kit number for some service parts--the kit they said was correct had one item which didn't match their own production bill of material. Never did get a good answer because I was sent to an email address that didn't exist.... Years ago, at a company where I used to work, a designer that had been gone for a while was back in the office, so I asked what he'd been up to. "Oh, been at the production line in Canada, fixing parts." Fix what parts? "Well, seems that someone retired on the line, and his replacement couldn't get any of the rear outer panels and brackets to fit. Turns out that the parts were made to print, but, the prints were never right, the guy who'd retired could never get them fixed, so he just reamed out the through holes until he could fit them." Of course, that meant that whenever someone ordered those parts from aftermarket, none of them fit, and they had to do the same thing. > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > This one should have been simple, and from all I've read, it's likely a quality control problem, along with one of getting the bad ones weeded out of stock. Maybe combined with an original hardness specification that just wasn't up to hard use. Testing random samples of stock will only tell you if they meet what's on the print.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 22:16:27 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Moss Customer Service In-Reply-To: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c888ab$9b384340$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Guess I should [again] pipe up. Last Thursday, I spent almost an hour on the phone with Blain from Moss tech. He was knowledgeable, helpful and full of information. My call was regarding my thrust bearing problems. Although they hadn't had any other reports of problems, he did note mine and in the end agreed that my [partial] failure could well have been a less than satisfactory piece. Also, he couldn't tell me where exactly my part may have been made. Big warning flag to me. The most important part of the conversation however, might be concerning the feedback they get. I [and Blain] basically agree with Steven Priess's statement "When you think about it, most restoration projects see little actual use. Most projects seemingly never even get completed!". 90% of the parts I buy from Moss and others go on cars that I sell and most of them won't see a thousand miles a year - not much of a test bed. It is perhaps unfortunate that Blain only chuckled when I told him of my "Moss shelf" but it's true... I've got a shelf [sacrifices to the god of speed for those that have seen The Worlds Fastest Indian] of nearly $1000 of broken Moss parts - everything from a grenaded pressure pressure plate to a trans mount that lasted 1 session to carb o-rings that won't withstand modern fuels and now to a thrust washer that could've cost me an engine. My point is not to dis' their parts, but to say that I never told them about any of these failures because I was RACING and knew they wouldn't guarantee their parts for such use. In hindsight I realize that I should have at least reported my problems. Maybe we all should. We racers may be the only ones testing what they sell and they can't fix what they don't know about. I know this has little to do with Geoff's original question as to why he couldn't get a response, but we could probably "improve the breed" thru better communication with our suppliers. On the other hand, my next order of "critical" parts will be coming from BPNW. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I had an issue with the inner sills I bought from them back in 2005. > They were appreciative of the information I provided and assured me > they > would correct the problem with their supplier. They offered to > replace > my parts, but I had already fixed them. > > I am actually ok with the occasional problem as long as they > continue to > look for solutions. If it means they can stay in business and > continue > to support a car that has been out of production for more than 50 > years, > that's good for me. > > Now, can anyone at Moss find us some good lifters for the TR3/4??? > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > GSFuqua1 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net; gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > Subject: Re: [Fot] Moss Customer Service > > I rest my case. Kelvin is a good man to work with and Moss is good > company. > Let's be honest, in today's world you can't always guarantee that > what > you > order, even as a supplier, is going to meet your standards. > > Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 05:41:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:41:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 spoilers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:53:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: Hi Jack, Is there any chance that a stock SCCA ITB TR-7 could run in Group 3, with the TR-3s and TR-4s. The TR-7 has a four cylinder two liter engine. That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Mar 18 05:53:05 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:53:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 7:41:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra at aol.com writes: That wouldn't be decided until closer to the event. Probably August. At Watkins Glen we sometimes have an additional group because we get so many cars. You should get your entry in early so we can plan the groupings better. That applies to all of the Triumphs. We can do a much better job of finding a suitable place for you if you enter early. WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 07:38:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:38:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] U.S.Vintage Grand Prix @ Watkins Glen 4-7 September 08 Message-ID: FoT: If you are a potential entrant or know someone who maybe a candidate as an entrant, please react as quickly as possible to Jack Woerhle's appeal. The SVRA Website is SVRA.COM and copies of the application for entry are there for your use. Please note that the cost of entry is different for our Triumphs than the general population. ($375.00) No SVRA membership is required for Triumph. ALSO, please note that entrants outside of the Continental North America are FREE. Below is a 'reprint' of Jack W's appeal to us, just in case it might have got past you. (Note the comment on extra group or session....even more track time possible) Joe A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- WATKINS GLEN REGISTRATION In order to plan the groupings and schedule, you folks should have your entries in by June 1. It is to everyone's benefit to make this happen. If we get enough cars, it may be possible to get you an extra session or group. If you drag it out, that may not happen. Also, keep in mind that you must send me a Race Car Information Sheet and several photos of your car if you haven't raced with SVRA recently. All of you non-vintage guys will also need to send a documentation of you car's racing history. Log book records work well for that. The entry form and RCIS are on the website now. Do this now: don't wait until the last minute. Jack Woehrle SVRA From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 08:28:19 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:28:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <00ce01c88904$50186670$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. The mystery continues!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] webbers 40 dcoe In a message dated 03/15/2008 5:33:20 PM Central Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: > Allen is it from all the carbs or just one? If you are running brass > floats > check them for holes. The modern additives eat the solder and sink the > floats. Immerse them in hot water and watch for bubbles to check for > leaks. > > If all the carbs, then definitely replace the regulator... > Steve...I think you know that we have had more than our fair share of float problems these past few years. In fact, Bob Wismer had more float issues down in Sebring this past week end. We agree with the suggested modern fuel additive issues you mentioned, but also we're convinced 'long tows' with empty fuel bowls are a contributing factor. For what it is worth, we believe fuel evaporates quickly from the fuel bowel and the floats bounce/rub on the post during long tows. Bob has taken to ensuring the fuel bowls are full before he starts any long tow. He hit some 'nasty winter' weather in route from our shop in Wisconsin to Florida. He got stuck over twenty-four hours in Indianapolis during a snow storm. Maybe he didn't load the bowls before starting out again, but he had another failure at Sebring. Two more comments. ONE, I bought my last replacement floats directly from Joe Curo (sp?), the SU specialist out east. Might be too early to leap to a conclusion, but I've had no failures with his since. The ones I purchased from Moss, Roadster Factory, Victoria British, etc., all appear to come from the same source. The ones from Joe are distinctive (packaging, special markings, etc.). TWO, across the pond, Bill Woodhouse was the founder of English Specials Tornado Cars, and built the Talisman, Typhoon, and Thunder Bolt we race. He recently sent me an article that suggests there is an issue with modern solder (no lead), and a reaction when using it to repair floats with old solder containing lead. It seems there is a reaction, and failure. Not sure how that fits in the mix, but it might explain why we've not had good luck with the ones we've repaired ourselves. Bill Dentinger PS...Did you know? Bob Wismer told me that the hotel rooms with a view in Indianapolis are cheaper? ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 08:57:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:57:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 8:28:44 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > I got home from Sebring yesterday after a 1100 mile tow. Terry checked our > floats and they were still floating! But I'm sure there was lots of > movement of those floats during the bouncy drive home on I75. > > The mystery continues!! > Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 09:16:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:16:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander > Jeff... > > Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something > for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know > where > to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're > spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. > > Bill > > PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. > He must be on the mend. > From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 18 09:43:27 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Floats References: Message-ID: <010d01c8890e$d10c2280$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: BillDentin at aol.com ; jsnook at wcnet.org ; Gt6steve at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; info at kipmotor.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [Fot] SU Floats FoT: Is Kip Lankenau of Kip Motors a candidate for replication of these floats? He has done some remarkable things with other parts. People are turning to him for a variety of parts, instead of carrying around more of the same junk as spares. Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! It's in his genes. This is under the heading of "Supplier Development". We had that program at John Deere. Instead of beating up on suppliers, candidate companies were selected on the basis of their ability to communicate and meet the quality needs of Deere & Company. Joe Alexander Jeff... Jack Drews is suggesting there are people out there who might make something for us in plastic. While I think that is a good idea, I sure don't know where to start, and suspect such a low run might be costly. But then we're spending $25-30 each for units that are not satisfactory. Bill PS...Ain't it great that Uncle Jack Drews is again 'involved' in this crap. He must be on the mend. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 09:57:14 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:57:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] SU Floats Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 9:44:08 AM Central Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: > Strong BMTA member. Jack & I have visited Kip's facilities. Cool! > > It's in his genes. > I always thought that diarrhea was hereditary because it was in my jeans. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 18 11:54:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need help on remove/install TR3 overdrive Message-ID: <001401c88921$2565be10$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The input shaft bushing and probably the bearing need replacement on the TR3 transmission which we have in out TR4 racecar (it came with the car). However, we also have an OD unit (also came with the car). After talking to Jack and Tony Drews I learned that the layshaft gears have to be "dropped" down to get the input shaft out. Also from talking to them I'd rather not try the removal and installation of the OD the first time by myself. I have my partner, son Ryan, to help but even with four hands I don't think I want to try this. So, I'm looking either for some assistance from someone in the area who has done this or a recommendation for a shop in the area to do this. I'm not too keen on taking the unit to the local transmission shop. I would compensate anyone who can help for their time and travel, etc. I have a heated shop and the tools, just not the knowhow. But I'd sure like to get the knowhow! Probably won't be the last time we have to do this!!! I live in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. I'm about 1 to 1-1/2 hours from anywhere in Milwaukee and about 2 to 2-1/2 hours from the north and west Chicago suburbs. Anyone to the frozen north of me knows where I am. I am more than willing to take the unit to someone else's place if that works better. I'm rebuilding the bottom end and we are planning on the Gingerman race/school on May 1st, so time is starting to get a little tight. You can contact me off list if you'd like. Tim & Ryan Murphy "Murphy's Law Racing" 1961 TR4 CT511 #317 VSCDA From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Mar 18 14:40:38 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (markconsultation at twcny.rr.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... M From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 18 14:55:49 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:55:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2008 2:41:48 PM Central Standard Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue > dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove > it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil > "accidently" fell off... > Amici... That happened to me with a birth control device one time. It got through the inspection all right, but fell off during normal use. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 18 15:13:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights References: <934700.1435631205872839158.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web11-z02> Message-ID: <005e01c8893c$f43339a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Of course by admitting that in an EMAIL, just as the NY governor was recently exposed, so will you be. Be careful answeringyour door inthe near future, the NY authorities will be ringing! :) Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Blue Dot Taillights > I have an old Panhead Harley that was modified "in the day" with a blue dot among many other period alterations. > > I always thought they were popular because Blue light travels farther in air and catches the eye. For those of us that require more than our alotted share of attention, its an inexpensive alteration and they do look cool. No matter how far away you are, when you see them, you know its gonna be worth it to catch up and see what its attached to. > > As for legality, I ran into a problem here in NY where I was perceived as a nuisance and denied NY plates. He said they are illegal because blue dots are distracting. > > I got around it by siliconing some Aluminum foil to the back of the blue dot so it did not glow. This got me through inspection without having to remove it. Unfortunately the next weekend, I had the lens off and the foil "accidently" fell off... From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 18 23:51:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:51:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds Message-ID: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=42020 Ecclestone is now complaining that there are only two points separating a win and second place in the F1 Drivers Championship. Guess Bernie forgot that the point totals were changed to there current structure when Shumi was running away with the Championship and wins so that reducing the points awarded to the winner was the FIA's way of trying to keep the rest of the field within striking distance of Michael. However, I did like that the article pointed out that the driver with the most wins HAS won the Championship ever year since 1989 when Senna lost it to Prost. Sure sounds like the point totals are causing an ongoing issue with determining the Championship. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Mar 19 05:42:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bernie off his meds References: <20080319055213.SREH20794.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: To quote a famous old CENDIV SCCA personality, Ma Beasley, "Let these boys race!" As much as I love the technical exercise that is F1, their Byzantine rules structure on the race itself is just too much. >From the points structure, to "scoring on aggregate", etc... they just make the race itself too much a political event. The "one who crosses the line first wins", sure seems to work pretty well for me. Terry Stetler From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 07:12:50 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:12:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <9547108.1205932370998.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at www.chequeredflagracing.net 818 350 6222 Thanks Joe From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 19 07:42:53 2008 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:42:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Message-ID: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I >> expected so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a >> complete kit will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my >> setup is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break >> due to the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all >> of those problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have >> the needle bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I >> have seen out there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for >> the Spitfires and GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set >> for Spitfire for many years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 19 07:48:08 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:48:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit In-Reply-To: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27152322.1205934173991.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74A8AB50@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I was fine, thanks. The car didn't actually go over on its head. This was a Summers Bros. axle similar to the style you're using in your kit, but a much smaller diameter (1.00" I believe). The Summers Bros. axle we were using was a very nice piece, and would have been fine had I not made a mistake and slid the car sideways down the track. Cold tires + too fast, too soon = broken axle. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:43 AM To: Jerry Barr Cc: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit Hi Jerry, I he has a a few failures. Hope your son was OK. I have had two customer break axles my earlier design using stock hubs like you did. Jim Bush and John Wilkins having seen the cost of repair the new set is well worth it. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Barr >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 6:28 AM >To: Joseph Siam >Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Comp Axle Kit > >Rafael is talking about my axle. It was one that had the smaller >diameter shaft to accommodate the bearing in a standard size hub. It >broke coming out of corner 4 at Blackhawk Farms and almost put my son >Scott on his head. >Regards, >Jerry Barr >On Mar 19, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Siam wrote: > >> Hi All, I should have the Axle Kits ready next week. I got a >> great deal on the axles and related parts much better than I expected >> so I can pass on the discount to you. The price for a complete kit >> will be $1995.00 This kit is the best one out there. >> Having talked with Rafael at Summers Brothers Axle he agrees my setup >> is the way to go. He has had some of his Spitfire axles break due to >> the small diameter and other flaws . My kit eliminates all of those >> problems. My axles are larger in diameter and don't have the needle >> bearing riding on the axle like all the other kits I have seen out >> there The axles ride in custom Alloy Rear Hubs for the Spitfires and >> GT6. I have been building Competition Axle set for Spitfire for many >> years with these hubs. More info at >> >> >> www.chequeredflagracing.net >> >> 818 350 6222 >> >> Thanks Joe >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 08:34:27 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:34:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000 000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 08:46:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:46:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Wheel Deal 'Kidney Bean' Wheels One Needed or Three for Sale. Message-ID: I have a picture available if there is any interest. I think these are wheels from the 70s that were fairly popular. They are 6 x 15 with TR bolt pattern in Aluminum. I have three good ones, plus two more that are VERY wide 7" ?? I either need one 6" wheel for a full set or to sell the other three. I have no need for the wide ones, so they are offered for sale, too, when I get them off the derelict TR250 I have in my driveway. Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 09:03:01 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ Here is a US supplier Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of REK46 at aol.com Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 19 09:38:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:38:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] If you need Alloy Headlamp Replacements...otherwise DELETE Message-ID: Free shipping- two styles....with and without P-700 Tripod Decal Direct replacement to sealed beams Pictures available. Thanks! Available at Pegasus, too. From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Mar 18 19:14:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:14:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 19 12:15:56 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: Message-ID: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 12:54:38 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15x7-Revolution-5-spoke-wheels-Datsun-Ford-To yota-MGB_W0QQitemZ250222412754QQihZ015QQcategoryZ43955QQtcZphotoQQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This person has been selling recently on Ebay. May be worth contacting them. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: March 19, 2008 2:16 PM To: Paul MacDonald; REK46 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > Here is a US supplier > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > REK46 at aol.com > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > in > AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > 0030000 > 000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 19 15:26:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20080319172634.O3Z0Q.84192.root@fepweb06> I got sleeve nuts and washers for the Spitracer at the Auto Zone store down the road in Janesville Wi. I did have to open the ends up because I have three inch studs. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ > > > > Here is a US supplier > > > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net > > [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of > > REK46 at aol.com > > Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in > > the > > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x > > 1 > > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy > > in > > AZ, > > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > > > > > ************** > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 > > 0030000 > > 000001) > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 05:53:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:53:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Message-ID: **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) Return-path: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Full-name: JWoesvra Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:26:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 spoilers To: LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain This got bounced back so I am sending it again. In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:21:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JWoesvra writes: In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:41:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LunkerLunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Hi Jack, I've been trying to find our SVRA contact. Guess you're it. Perhaps I'm the only one who doesn't know what to expect at Watkins Glen, but please explain... Are we going to be running Triumph only run groups and races [open to all comers] thru-out the event? If I'm going to run a open Triumph group, I would want to run 205/50 Hoosier SM's but if I'm in group 3 I'll need to run 205/60 Speedsters - just a example of what I [we?] need to know.>> To run in Group 3 you will need 60 series tires with a minimum of 2/32 tread. If Triumphs run the entire event as a stand-alone group, would my racer girlfriend Connie be able to campaign the car in group 3? I didn't see any provision for 1 car/2 drivers on the entry form - any discount?>> We probably won't have a stand alone TR group the whole time. However, there is an enduro and you could also run in Group 8. Haven't yet gotten to SVRA's safety section, but can I run with a fire bottle or do I need a onboard fire "system".>> We only require a hand-held extinguisher. Actually, I would like it if we ran strictly group 3 rules - I would likely be one of the few western cars that would qualify [please keep this boast between us!] - would have to swap out my 'glass bonnet but at least I could get to use my vented rotors. But that's not in the spirit of the Kastner Cup.>> I will give you a one race waiver on the grp hood so long as you make weight. I'll look forward to hearing from you, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From malaboge at aol.com Thu Mar 20 09:35:27 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <000801c8895e$85094ed0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8CA58B727ECAD0E-F9C-C2B@webmail-nc09.sysops.aol.com> FOTer's- I'm sure plenty of us are olde enuf to recall the original Trans Am cars.? They utilized lug nuts on their Minilites that were about three inches in length and had the octagonal nut extending about two and a half of those inches.? Unfortunately, they are only threaded about one inch inside, but I have been able to chuck those puppies up in a lathe and cut the outside diameter down to whatever I needed for the OD (within reason) to fit the wheels.? If you are running any type of spacer behind the wheel, you can?shorten it just enough to make the length so that it will just approach the?hub.? They are open at the other end so whatever length stud you use can stick out.?They are still being produced.? I'm not in the shop, but ISTR that the company is in southern Cal.? Works slick!? On a new bag of cotton balls...is the top one meant to be thrown away? ??????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Steven Preiss To: REK46 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs Do they have to be Revolution nuts? I have just figured out how to use Cragar nuts for a set of vintage Astrali wheels I have. Involves using a sleeve, as the shanks have to be 3/4" diameter, and these are not available heter in the states. Let me know if you would like further info. steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Fot] wheel studs > Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in the > states. I need some 'stud-nuts' for Revolution race wheels with 7/16-20 x 1 > 3/8" L. x 5/8shank...pref with open stle heads....there used to be a guy in AZ, > but not sure if he's still in business,or moved or what ......rick > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000 > 000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 20 09:48:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks for responses on OD help Message-ID: <001b01c88aa1$d1bde530$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who responded to me on the request for help with the OD. I'm following up on the suggestions and will let you know how I make out. I may not have been real clear on what I need to do. (My wife, on occasion, also says I'm sometimes not real clear on what I'm doing!!) I just have to remove the OD from the trans to fix the trans and then put the OD back on the trans. I don't have any intention of getting into the OD, at least not right now. Thanks again, Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 20 09:52:53 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scattershields Message-ID: <200803201553.m2KFr1ZR039175@ns3.geneseo.net> Last call. I'm placing an order with the fab shop tomorrow for aluminum scattershields as shown on www.tonydrews.com link Jack's Parts. Price $180 plus shipping. We plan to make only the number actually ordered. Please, no complaints about commercial use of the fot list - I'm not making any money on this. It's a service to the sport. uncle jack From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 20 10:06:32 2008 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:06:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs Message-ID: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just my 2 cents, Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? Bob T. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 20 13:13:56 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 20 13:43:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:43:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Invite from Tim Suddard to the Mitty Message-ID: Just want to remind any and all that the Mitty is coming up May 2-4. I will be running my TR3 and would like to invite all to join in on the festivities. Moss is sponsoring a beer party and dart tournament Saturday evening. Full details at: grmspeedfest.com. Thanks guys. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 14:50:42 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs References: <8CA58BB7FA17757-E04-75F@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <07d201c88acc$10b46b40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, Summit has several; pn CRR27902-5, Crager $11.69/per5 or ARE 881140, American Racing, $1.50ea. 7/16 threads. Also other nuts and wheel lugs. Also, I chucked up in my lathe the lug nuts that came with my Panasports (they were closed-ended), cut off the end, and tapped the threads clear through. That way I can use longer studs on the Good hubs I bought. (I took the advice I'd been given about stock TR6 rear hubs....not if but when they break....). Pegasus, 800 688-6946, also hus studs and lug nuts. As does JEGS. No financial interest with any of the above Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > Just my 2 cents, > > Has anyone looked into the big 2 racer suppliers ... Summit & Jegs ? > > Bob T. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 20 14:25:56 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 15:15:52 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:15:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Mar 20 16:42:36 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen In-Reply-To: <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <88CE57B2-FEFE-4A21-87CB-6F2C5FF8329E@earthlink.net> <000001c88acf$947bbde0$bd7339a0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c88adb$b28d1340$17a739c0$@net> There are also 20+ motels in Ithaca which is 30 minutes or so from the Glen. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen As an addendum to Greg's email, this hotel is brand new and looks very nice, however, the rooms are pricey as he mentions. As an alternative, there are many B&Bs within twenty minutes of Watkins Glen on both sides of the lake that offer more reasonable accommodations if you like that type of experience. I found a nice place in Hector, seven miles up the road on the east side of Lake Seneca for the weekend. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:26 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as vintage.racer at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 20 17:03:12 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:03:12 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lodging at The Glen Message-ID: <20080320.190312.9172.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> I sent them an RFP for 25 rooms for FOT a couple of months ago, but never heard from them. I guess they are getting off to a good start on customer service. Joe(B) -- "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" wrote: Hello all, Maybe those of us that haven't made reservations with the rest of the group will be rewarded for our procrastination. The new Harbor Inn is scheduled to open in July and is now taking reservations. More than a bit pricey but I booked a couple rooms with lakeside balcony. It's on Seneca Lake and about 3 miles from the track. For info go to http:// www.watkinsglenharborhotel.com/ or call Judy @ 716-829-1416, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Click to get information on owning your own franchise. Great products. Low entry cost. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYIiqLxl9UsgEGUPDxNMTs8s nl9znpxj8JjWtxoWvv908Nyy/ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 20 19:49:42 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] residual pressure Message-ID: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I know that we have had some discussion about residual pressure valving in the brake master cylinders. The Girling braking sytem for the TR3 and TR4 comes stock with what Moss calls a restrictor valve - it threads into the top of the 4 or 5 way brake line connector that feeds all of the brake lines. I wonder if this is a residual pressure valve. If you will recall the TR3 uses the same master cylinder for the clutch and the brakes - which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these masters. The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Thanks Dennis DeLap From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 20 21:13:45 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:13:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D020FE2@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20080321041317.8B390187644@autox.team.net> I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. - Tony Drews At 02:13 PM 3/20/2008, Kramer, Robert wrote: >I am a little confused by the registration form. It looks to me like we >get all 4 days for $375. Am I correct? > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Mar 20 22:02:48 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:02:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Registration Message-ID: I hadn't noticed that. With a 4 day event, but Thursday being an optional practice day (for an extra fee), does that mean it runs through Monday? Interesting. I'm guessing a misprint is in there somewhere. Entry went out yesterday. You will have your first session late Thursday. Friday follows Thursday. Then comes Saturday followed by Sunday. That is 4 days. I will try to get a provisional schedule done in a few weeks. You can stay over Monday Tony. The rest of us are going home . Jack Woehrle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 21 00:24:42 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:24:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> > I wonder if this is a > residual pressure valve. Yes, it is. > which makes me think that there is no residual valving in these > masters. That's correct. When the pushrod is fully extended, there is no provision for any remaining pressure, the output port is open to the reservoir. > The reason I wonder about this restrictor is that I > am running a TR6 Brake master cylinder and I still have this > restrictor inline on my TR4. Am I getting some unwanted redundancy? Well, I wouldn't want the RPV (which is why I disabled the one on my TR3A many years ago). But I don't believe the TR6 master holds any residual pressure either ... AFAIK Triumph simply removed the function during the TR4 run. The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 21 06:26:48 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back on the >front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle Jack's uprated >spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 21 06:47:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall> <20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:27 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] residual pressure The residual pressure valve is helpful even with the spindle and spacer kit (but is only needed on the front brake circuit, not on the rear brakes). - Tony Drews At 01:24 AM 3/21/2008, Randall wrote: >The reason for holding residual pressure was to reduce pad knock-back >on the front calipers. A better way to do that is to install Uncle >Jack's uprated spindles and spacers. Available from TRF, I believe. >http://www.zeni.net/trf/TR6-250GC/119.php > >Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 21 06:53:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:53:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] residual pressure In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <897587.70017.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080321052447.FFXS1365.mta11.adelphia.net@randall><20080321132616.D450D187876@autox.team.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D02161A@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: If you lock up the front circurit then put more power to the rear brakes. Should have nothing to do with that residual valve. The valve is helping to avoid a long pedal feel. >I have been thinking of adding one to the TR4A racecer. I've been > struggling with pedal feel with the Racetorations dual master set-up and > I lock them up all too easily in downhill brke zones. My old TR4 had a > Safety Braker in line. I wish I could find one of those. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 21 08:26:49 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:26:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday Message-ID: To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 21 09:39:08 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Amici... Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. Bill Dentinger PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 09:58:33 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:58:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Fitch - minor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001c88b6c$6a489690$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those interested in the John Fitch saga I have added a link to the local newspaper article printed in January to my two websites. This is directly to the article: http://www.docrebuild.com/curr-evnt/currentevents-116.html These are to my two websites with links, including one to John's biography: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html www.botchagaloop.net/fitch/fitch.html I am told that legal arrangements are in the works and further progress towards a defense fund is forthcoming. We have already helped restore John's hot water through generous donation of time and talent. This is definitely a heart warming demonstration of the motorsports community stepping up. I am deeply moved. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From gp89 at charter.net Fri Mar 21 17:31:32 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080321193132.GXT8N.162041.root@fepweb04> Lets go for 100". This last blast gets us close. We already broke an old record. Jeff "makin' snowmen in Evansville" Senty ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Mar 21 17:36:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Is there any access to power in the designated area? Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a few weeks. That should answer a few questions. For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality Tent in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST COME but if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the experience. Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do this..... Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 18:14:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 18:21:26 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:21:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Yeah, and it's been raining a few days on the Big Island. I think I'm getting Seasonal Affective Disorder.... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:00:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00b201c88bb8$1ff43300$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April 22-27 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 19:15:12 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:15:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:18:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: Message-ID: <000a01c88bba$a51e3f60$0202a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..Go for it Pal...Have Huge Fun! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: SMITH1127 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Racer Bud, can't make any of those events, but, on March 30 we've got the following scorcher, which with the right track conditions will get our ex-Bob Coan Spitfire out of second gear, and the Turner always wins: BIG ISLAND OF HAWAII REGION SCCA SOLO II EVENT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 21 19:18:39 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin In-Reply-To: <04F82152-3B3A-4706-8321-4DF999A6D789@bnj.com> Message-ID: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. Ernie the Eskimo Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was surfing yesterday. Life is hard. On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > TRIUMPH > sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > get to > the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > tomorrow night. > There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > Easter everyone. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 19:41:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin References: <436872.13507.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c88bbd$cf490c90$0202a8c0@Bud> DON'T DO IT....Bill will just use the ice to chill Mai Tai's Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > Hey Bill, I'll pack up some of the 14-inches of snow that fell here today > and send it to you so you can pack your foot in it. Wouldn't want them > the foot to swell you might have to miss surfing for a few days. > > Ernie the Eskimo > > Bill Babcock wrote: Pretty rough here in Maui too--got > coral cuts on my foot when I was > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to >> TRIUMPH >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't >> get to >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More >> tomorrow night. >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy >> Easter everyone. >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Mar 21 05:14:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:14:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> Message-ID: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... (sorry I couldn't resist) S Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > Is there any access to power in the designated area? > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: > > Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to us in a > few weeks. That should answer a few questions. > > For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are being made > to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA Hospitality > Tent > in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY ONLY. > > The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and hard > surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space is FIRST > COME but > if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. > > SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he has done > for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find some > niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the > experience. > > Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get acquainted, > wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time to do > this..... > > Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... > > Joe Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 21 20:40:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:40:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday In-Reply-To: <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003d01c88bac$5ef1a670$1cd4f350$@net> <004d01c88b44$c9e11eb0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: So the thing with Watkins Glen is the highly variable pit accommodations. You can be in a very handy spot or on the far end of east nowhere. I never DID find Dentinger last year. I'm going to be pitting with Tony Garmey since he's bringing Peyote, but if I was bringing Nero i'd want to be right where i was last year--behind the garages in the non-reserved RV spaces. Power, water, and all that good stuff. Of course if you're staying in a hotel it's not that big a deal. I think Tony has us in some fleabag, knowing his sensibilities. There's a minor chance I'll actually be in an Airstream. Diane and I are looking at a Bambi for doing surf safaris up and down the east and west coasts. Timing might work out for a little long distance paddle for charity with my brother and a bunch of his friends--22 miles from Plymouth to Provincetown (this stand up paddle surfing thing is really taking off). then watkins Glen. Then maybe go down the east coast to do some late season surfing, and a little leaf-peeping in New England. I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot like having the Huns come to visit. On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp > each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... > (sorry I couldn't resist) > S Preiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Moore" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday > > >> Is there any access to power in the designated area? >> Russ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> N197TR4 at cs.com >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:27 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday >> >> To reiterate Jack W's comments and add a few things: >> >> Jack W. indicated that a provisional schedule will be available to >> us in a >> few weeks. That should answer a few questions. >> >> For those arriving Wednesday or early Thursday, arrangements are >> being > made >> to do the SVRA Tech Inspection of the Triumphs at the FOT/WPTA >> Hospitality >> Tent >> in the FoT Paddock. This in paddock TECH. INSP will be on THURSDAY >> ONLY. >> >> The FOT Paddock Area is generous....on a combination of grass and >> hard >> surface, and close to viewing areas and facilities. Paddock space >> is FIRST >> COME but >> if you have a special needs situation we will try to help. >> >> SVRA/Jack Woerhle has made plans for a late Thursday session as he >> has > done >> for us at Road America....Great Feature! Good opportunity to find >> some >> niggling problem and get acclimated to THE GLEN and then sleep on the >> experience. >> >> Informal get together in the paddock on Thursday evening. Get >> acquainted, >> wine and cheese kind of thing. BYO Thursday evening is a good time >> to do >> this..... >> >> Friday will be very busy...more on that later..... >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 21:36:44 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:36:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Watkins Glen Planning - Wednesday/Thursday References: <4573846E-143E-406D-A6E0-86BBCBBB5435@earthlink.net> Message-ID: ************Gunna' sacrifice a Spridget or something? I thought the bog was a thing of the past. >> >> I should warn you guys that Watkins Glen is close enough to home >> (Boston) to create another gathering of Babcocks. We had 30 of 'em at >> Limerock cheering Peyote on last year. Scary thought, but it might >> happen. You might want to check your insurance coverage, it's lot >> like >> having the Huns come to visit. >> >> On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Steven Preiss wrote: >> >>> Let's see, at say about 50 Triumphs with anywhere from 150 to 250 hp >>> each.... yeah, I think there should be some power in the area...... >>> (sorry I couldn't resist) **************If I'm going to get 150hp I will need to be plugged into something! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 22 11:14:31 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:14:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg From westerneagleracing at att.net Sat Mar 22 13:25:57 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:25:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin Message-ID: <032220081925.21015.47E55D44000DD46C0000521722216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> -------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" : -------------- Racer Bud, See you at CSRG at Infineon with my new head gasket. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing > Hi Gang....any of you guys/gals racing in the CSRG race at infineon April > 4-6..or SCCA vintage april 12-13...or HSR West Race at Thunderhill , April > 22-27 > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ah Sweet Springtime in Wisconsin > > > > Pretty rough here in Maui too--got coral cuts on my foot when I was > > surfing yesterday. Life is hard. > > > > On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Amici... > >> > >> Tis early spring here in Wisconsin, and all thoughts gravitate to > >> TRIUMPH > >> sports and road racing. It is great to be alive. > >> > >> Bill Dentinger > >> > >> PS...Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. I am snow bound at home (can't > >> get to > >> the shop). 6 to 12 inches of snow predicted for today. More > >> tomorrow night. > >> There is still a chance that the 2007/2008 Winter snowfall (recorded > >> history) will be the heaviest of all time here in Wisconsin. Happy > >> Easter everyone. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > >> on AOL > >> Home. > >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > >> ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > >> You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 20:05:57 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly References: <000001c88c40$3177a7a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <07d701c88c8a$700ec210$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try Goodson, 800 533-8010. They sell parts and supplies for engine rebuilders and I know they have shims in various sizes and thicknesses. Good luck. Bill Tobin Erie, PA (on the way to Watkins Glen if you're coming from the west). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly > What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have > not seen any for sale? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 23:07:15 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 07:22:57 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: Redline makes some good lubricants, but you can't just add it, you have to replace it. Transmissions don't want to be too slippery or the synchros may not grab. Be careful of what you add to the oil Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "jim hearn" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 08:57:13 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:57:13 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <000e01c88ca3$c305e340$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <001101c88cf6$32032710$6402a8c0@HOME> I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 11:28:55 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: how do you give the synchros more spring tension? Charly Mitchel ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 23 12:18:26 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:18:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Doesn't that just make the holding of each gear more firm? How does that put more pressure on the synchro ring? Isn't the preussre on the synchro ring regulated by the shift lever? Maybe I'm a transmision dummie and can't see it. Charly Mitchel From: "Randall" Date:Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:50 AM To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Attachments: (none) HTML | Plain Text | Header | Raw Content Put shims under the springs that push the balls out of the shift hub. When you shift, the sleeve pushes the hub against the rings, which in turn forces the rings against the cones, providing the synchro action. More force means faster synchro action. Randall ---------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 7:55 AM To: "jim hearn" , Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? I gave the synchros more spring tension. Did speed up the shifting process but at slow motion the are hard to push in Cheers Chris . http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > My tranny is not working badly but I thought it might be beneficial to add > some super slippery stuff to improve smoothness of shifting. Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 23 12:29:40 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:29:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <4d6e5e619a374eea9c3bcf6ff13a86d9@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <004f01c88d13$e3fbbc80$6402a8c0@HOME> This is right Charly, more spring tension does hold the synchro more firm but this is an issue for coasting at low speed. At racing speed you are happy about the good lever control. Cheers Chris From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Mar 23 12:30:04 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel studs In-Reply-To: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <004201c889ed$470fc750$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <47E6A1AC.7040103@charter.net> Tim I ordered a set from S&S about 1 1/2 years ago and they delivered. It took awhile and they were $4.75ea at the time. For that price they were very accommodating. Try contacting Steve or Sue Bonk @ 847-255-2176. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and too many TR's Tim Murphy wrote: > I have tried at least 6 times to contact this supplier by phone and e-mail > over the past couple of years and have never had a response. If someone > does contact them, please let me know how you did it! I too am looking for > some Revolution wheel sleeve nuts and washers. > > Tim Murphy > 1961 TR4 #317 CT511 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel studs > > > >> http://www.revolutionwheels.net/ >> >> Here is a US supplier >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of >> REK46 at aol.com >> Sent: March 19, 2008 10:34 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] wheel studs >> >> >> Does anyone know if there is a new, or old, dist for Revolution wheels in >> the >> states. 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Watch the video on AOL Home. >> >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 >> 0030000 >> 000001) >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gaf3 at charter.net From igofaster at charter.net Sun Mar 23 12:35:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 driveshaft #54 Yellow CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080323143509.5CSVX.68309.root@fepweb09> Howdee FoT! Quantum gearbox is in the GT6, sans the T50 Toyota : ( My stock driveshaft won't go in without squeezing it in with the yolk totally compressed. Forum question is, how much should I shorten the driveshaft. Rumor was Bob Davis moved the engine back about 1/2". The gearbox does set on the very back of the stock rear mount, the rubber mounts are tweaked a little bit.. i.e. it is not a straight mounting right down to the rear support. Moving the engine foward does not seem to be an option. The water pump is within 1/2" of the Griffin radiator. I'm thinking shorten 1" AT LEAST... what is the view of the forum. Kindest regards, Happy Motoring.... Bobby Whitehead From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Mar 23 13:34:12 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:34:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? Message-ID: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. Bill From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Mar 22 23:15:33 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:15:33 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c88ca4$ebf61f80$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I have been using straight 30W with no additives at the recommendation of John Esposito from Quantum Mechanics, who rebuilt the transmission and overdrive units. After a somewhat balky beginning, the box has become very nice to shift and quiet in operation. The A-type OD engages strong and smooth. However, the oil does not stay in. In fact it leaks even when TR3 is sitting cold and idle. So, question I have is, is this a good choice for break in, and not for ongoing use? As the car is run on the street, I would hate to lose track of the oil level and burn the thing up! Any advice? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 23 17:03:58 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? References: <20080323.133413.1916.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <003501c88d3a$2f993b10$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I too have had success with just straight GL-4. It is hard to find these days. I get mine at Car Quest. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Does anyone know of an additive that improves a TR6 tranny's smoothness of operation? > The folks at 3R Racing, in cars they prep for vintage racing will use > Redline MT-90 (GL-4) in gearboxes that are about to be due for rebuild. I > used it in a Renault transaxle and it greatly improved shifting, both up > and down. With mineral base, multi vis GL-5, the hotter it got, the worse > the shifting got very quickly. Redline was not as much effected by temp. > The synthetic did not like to stay in the gearbox, however. > Changing to a straight weight, GL-4 mineral base oil was a huge > improvement over the GL-5, almost as good as the Redline, though not > quite as good hot, and it stayed in the box. > I conclude the most important thing was a GL-4 oil. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun Mar 23 21:11:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:11:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 vavle assembly Message-ID: <20080323.231123.8146.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> I went to the machine shop that I use with a head and went thru his assortment of valve shims until I found the diameters that fit. I shim mine about 0.080 to 0.100 to inches and at that height the spring will slide out of the seat pockets. I buy some seats with a retainer (on the inside) and then machine them on my lathe to fit the seat pocket. This keeps everything in place nicely. Joe(B) -- "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: What do you use for shims to adjust the vale spring pressure? I have not seen any for sale? Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Keep your home running smoothly with great home automation solutions! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqW8fV4pxqpPOaxa0XYMCK0CI esknqXSEx4WghOAegHkiRcHQ/ From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 24 14:33:14 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 24 15:20:39 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the bottle. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GL-4 I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 art d Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RustyTR4 at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:28:35 2008 From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:28:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: Art, we get GL-4 from our local supplier, it's a Pennzoil product, we get it in 5 gallon pails. The product number is 4804, there is a number on the side for consumer info 1-800-990-9811, maybe there is somebody in your area that carries it. Matt Matt Bakes Triumph Rescue (610) 845 - 8217 _www.TriumphRescue.com_ (http://www.triumphrescue.com/) British Wiring, Inc. 866-461-9050 _www.BritishWiring.com_ (http://www.britishwiring.com/) 617 Walnut St. Bally, PA. 19503 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Mar 24 15:35:17 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: <200803242135.m2OLZLoa430930@ns3.geneseo.net> I've been in contact with the Product Manager of the Division of Rogers Corporation, who makes the material named Nytorophyl. This material is used for high volume floats current production car floats, the volume of which is tens of thousands per part number. I've sent him a photo and drawing of the H6 floats and described the problem to him, and asked for his help. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. I hope the request doesn't fall to the bottom of the pile on a busy desk, as so often happens. The material is not available in rods or bars, which would have been ideal. It may be available in flats but apparently is not available in flats of the thickness required to make a float in one piece. I told him that if we can even find some floats already commercially available that could be carved into our shape, we could do that at least for the racers among us who use the H6 (TR3) style carbs. He responded today to me that he will be back to me on the possibilities. We shall see. When you guys were first talking about this problem I visualized it as a problem experienced by racers only. It turns out that the problem is more widespread -- our major Triumph parts suppliers have seen sales of these floats in big numbers over the years. Although sales numbers and time periods are proprietary numbers that are fairly closely guarded, I'm led to believe that a couple thousand floats over several years is the general ballpark for our entire TR population. I hope that a means of manufacturing these can be found that would justify the effort. uncle jack From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:50:52 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:50:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] floats for H6 carbs Message-ID: Jack... Thank you for your efforts. It's great to know your mind is on 'stuff' like this. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Mar 24 17:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Mar 24 22:44:04 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> References: <01f001c88def$61af07a0$c06b0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <47E83E30.4050205@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I had great difficulty finding here is Australia well. After a lot of investigation I found that most of the major manufacturers (Shell, Caltex, Mobil etc.) have stopped making GL-4. They consider it to be a superseded product which GL-5 now encompasses. That is, until you mention the corrosive and tarnishing aspects of GL-5 on Bronze. Then the back down and say that maybe it is quite compatible! However, I did find two things: - 1. People like TOYOTA are bottling GL-4 in their own bottles available at dealerships as an OEM, as fair few Toyota vehicle models still call for GL-4. 2. Royal Purple make it and that's what I used. Cheers.... Peter Vucinic TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2008 10:50 AM To: riverside Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 riverside wrote: > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they > could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so > not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 GL-4 is hard to find in my area too. No auto parts store within 25 miles of me carry it or are willing to order it. There is one independent willing to order a case (smallest lot he can get) if I'm willing to purchase the whole case. Series Land Rovers have 6 different places that take GL-4 so our own Steve Hedke is recently started carrying GL-4 for people unble to locate it locally. www.britishpacific.com/BPSite/LandRoverAccessories/Land_Rover_fluids.html#GL 4_oil The company also carries Red Line engine oil treatment with ZDDP. TeriAnn Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au __________ NOD32 2969 (20080324) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 08:33:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:33:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used A.R.E, Aluminum TR4 TR4A Front Engine Plate Available Message-ID: FoT Offered here first..... Absolutely perfect! 'Used' only in the sense that it was installed and run in one of my TR4 Engines. Sold on your approval.......checked for flatness. No scraping of timing chain tensioner. (on any of my installations) Check in on this....will ship right away. Thanks! Joe A From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 14:29:44 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 25 16:33:51 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> References: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: Kubota Tractor, 3cyl diesel, I think... At least that what it was for, for mine, which is a 3 wire application (yet to be figured out) Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Russ Moore wrote: I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 19:46:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:46:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Rolling Chassis Available In Iowa Message-ID: FoT List First: I have been supporting the restoration of a TR3A in Forest City, Iowa for the past 2-3 years. (Retired School Superintendent) I found an excellent tub on an excellent chassis for him. The chassis was better than what he had, but he was too far into his original chassis. So now that the TR3A is essentially done he wants to sell the rolling chassis. I told him I would put the word out. If anyone has a need for an excellent TR3A chassis let me know. Delivery is possible, especially west to Colorado or Wyoming by end of May. Let me know in the next few days before I go to the 'big TR list'. BTW, he also has 14" wire wheels with new tires...fits MG or Triumph. Thanks, Joe From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Mar 25 20:19:54 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <1331.69.27.192.90.1206460391.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious whatever-it-is. He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the street. E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? Fred Hodgson From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 26 00:39:45 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:39:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 26 05:19:20 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573398.92128.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second another corner worker. Doug --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > illustrious whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > III Spit on the street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 08:56:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:56:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Chassis Sold to FoT. Message-ID: Cancel that chassis offer.....thanks. Joe A From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed Mar 26 09:09:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <032620081509.9943.47EA67200005BFC8000026D722230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Sounds like another Colorado guy. I'll third. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second another corner worker. > > Doug > > --- Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > > > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our > > illustrious whatever-it-is. > > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk > > III Spit on the street. > > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > > > Fred Hodgson > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 09:27:52 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:27:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 10:07:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:07:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 9:28:29 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher > > was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us > > are just half fast.) > Amici... I too enjoyed that article. It is well done and gives a feel for the tremendous scope of a 24 Hour Endurance effort. Ted's constant use of the collective pronoun 'we' rings true and helps describe how many hands are needed to be successful in endurance racing. Of course the racers are important, but so too that crew and team. The panoramic picture of the 'TS' team shows how just how many people were involved in supporting that effort (rivals the population of Rhode Island). The article also includes a great photo of Mike Cook, driving a lowly TR7 and getting ready to lap Ted in the TR8 (yet again). Kidding! After the smoke cleared, both cars placed in their respective classes. Ted's TR8 took 3rd, and Mike's TR7 took 2nd. Seems like I remember Ted speaking at an early North American Triumph Challenge event either before or after that race. Ah yes...the good old days. Bill Dentinger PS...the back cover sure looks like the old Roadster I once owned (KTF 469). It was lipstick red when I owned it. A sacrilege, but not something I had done. The guy I sold it to put a TON of money into a professional restoration, and it was drop dead gorgeous the next time I saw it. Sure looks like the same car. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 11:14:02 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839109.2859.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Join the VTR and other model specific groups. The cost of membersip isn't much and such groups can have a huge impact on event organizers, vendors and manufacturers; plus another source to stay up with what is happening in the world of Triumphs. My $0.02. Ernie N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as ehusmann53 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 26 11:14:08 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:14:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080326.111409.2528.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I will support that nomination. Robert is involved in many aspects of Triumph, and English cars & Sportscars in general. Great addition. Bill On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:19:54 -0600 Fred & Mary Hodgson writes: > I would like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to our illustrious > whatever-it-is. > He's a corner worker with RMVR & also drives a Mk III Spit on the > street. > E-mail isboom-town at msn.com. Second(s)? > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wgrosenbach at juno.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Mar 26 11:48:55 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:48:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c88f69$ac84edf0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Joe and all FOTers, Our local Houston club, the Texas Triumph Register, has about 150 family memberships with 50 or more very active members. We are almost all members of the VTR along with our club's membership. I happen to know that the officers are very much in favor of supporting all types of racing and anything or event that has a Triumph of any kind in it. Of course, there are a few clubs out there that have a few members wanting nothing more than to roll there trailer-queens off the trailer and show them, win a trophy, and carry it home and look at it like a coffee table. Because that's not what I choose to do, doesn't make it wrong. The TRA, Stag Club, Six Pack, FOT, Vintage Triumph Register, or whatever club has Triumphs belonging to it needs to make room for all types of events for all types of people with different interests in driving, showing, touring, and restoring. All of us benefit in some way for each of the national clubs having this variety within our hobby. An excellent restoration, for example, that sells for the big bucks at an auction, increases the value of all our cars; just as being able to show a prospective Triumph buyer the race results from Watkins Glen, and showing him or her the photos of a similar Triumph still being raced will help to complete the deal and gain another younger person interested in triumphing. The survival of our hobby depends on all us staying strong in number, which means getting younger members interested in one or more of a variety of events. FOT not wanting a formal organization is actually refreshing, because it works great as long as our computer guru Mark stays on top of things in Utah. But banding together in a larger more formal organization will no doubt help us count members and be a more influential tribe of hobbyists. For an anti-establishment guy, that's the best "I have a dream speech" I can use to explain my view. Sorry for it being so long. Don Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:28 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Just a quick note on this subject...more later. The Vintage Triumph Register will be involved with us at The Glen. Details are being worked out right now, but you can be sure that they will add value to our Experience. Several of the FoT are already members of the VTR. And look at website < VTR.org> I'd like to encourage everyone to consider a VTR MEMBERSHIP. Our FoT Mike Cook is the Magazine Editor. A great article on Ted Schmacher was in the last issue. Great reading. Ted was fast 'back when'. (Some of us are just half fast.) There is always FoT Content in VTR's TVT Magazine. ISOA and WPTA, as well as other VTR affiliated clubs support the FoT in many ways. Since we have no formal organization of our own....I suggest we support the VTR by joining. You opinions are appreciated...please weigh in on this promotion of mine. Joe Alexander PS: The Triumph Marque is on a roll on all fronts. Value, Competition, Respect. The VTR, Six Pack, Friends of Triumph, Stag Club, Spitfire Squadron, etc, have all elevated the importance of our Triumphs. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 13:01:10 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:01:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of your points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and autocross a race prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit from my FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many ways, and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT organization. For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in historically significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I have purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission number TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, and the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has always been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of history restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, I'm faced with ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our family, and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. It would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the choice among all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be best for TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for the celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph for all persons interested in the marque. Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in September at Watkins Glen. Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Mar 26 13:47:20 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09480 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 13:54:29 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay In-Reply-To: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <00aa01c88f7a$34c35de0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <782C0A9C-B94F-4355-B391-E3569FCB07EA@charter.net> I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] > Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just > showed up. > Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR- > RACE_W0QQitemZ3 > 30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > m > > If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09480 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a > name of rtCurve.gif] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 14:05:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:05:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town From TomD4760 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:13:49 2008 From: TomD4760 at aol.com (TomD4760 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Answers the question that should never have been asked: Triumph convertible with Harley Davidson features


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(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 26 14:17:10 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: > > > > For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From igofaster at charter.net Wed Mar 26 14:27:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Newbie opens a can of worms... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080326162705.JY7DY.24961.root@fepweb16> I've been informed that my last post may have rubbed someone on the forum wrong. My silly question about shortening the drive shaft and a mention that MAYBE my engine had been moved back 1/2" or so. BTW , CVAR looked at the car and several experts viewed my car plus I took side by side detailed photos of my stock GT6 side by side with my race car engine. If it was moved, you can't tell it. So, I understand some people want to cheat to win the $8.00 trophy at the end of the season, that's fine. All I'm doing is trying to comply with CVAR and their requests to have the car run in vintage gear, sans the beloved Toyota T50. I'm the guy who starts in last place, and I don't mind finishing in last place. I just want to have fun with a nicely preparred Triumph GT6+. I don't want to break, crash, or spin... I just want to have fun... now, if you have trouble lapping me, I may hold out and press the right pedal a little harder but if you can pass, you will. I'm old skool in my bones, newbie in the race car and the forum. If I offended someone here because they have a cheater car, really sorry, just trying to learn from the forum, after all, in my opinion, we may go fast, at times, but it is really more of an exhibition, not 200 mph racing..... Bobby Whitehead #54 YELLOW CVAR 1970 GT6+ From kaskas at cox.net Wed Mar 26 14:43:36 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: Message-ID: <00a401c88f82$165af7c0$d214c548@RW> Moon covers are great as long as you only hit the brakes about twice a lap, cause if you try for more you'll have NONE. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > In a message dated 03/26/2008 2:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > >> > I love the Moon wheel covers. I had a set on my 53 Ford. >> > On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jeff Snook wrote: >> > >> >> For 40K you get Car Wash Tokens before you leave town >> > > Hell...for 40K they should insist on a urine test before you leave town. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Mar 26 15:36:55 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My 58 TR3 is something like this except for the Harley stuff. Well it does have a Harley fishtail muffler on it. On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:13 PM, TomD4760 at aol.com wrote: > Answers the question that should never have been asked: > Triumph > convertible with Harley Davidson features >


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> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15? > ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 15:48:08 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as California real estate! Kurt O. >From: Jeff Snook >Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay >[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 > > > >Jeff Snook >http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > > > >E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >Database version: 5.09480 >http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of rtCurve.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 16:01:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay References: <33175032.798251206568089039.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006901c88f8c$fa633c20$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> right now it's a lot better than California real estate. Which prompts the question - does the collector car market go backwards anytime soon? I'm not talking about our lowly $10,000 TRs, but the $100,000 muscle cars and the $250,000 Maseratis. Between the economy and concerns about global warming, it's due for a correction. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > Hmm, lets see... If I take my beat to hell $600 Devin body, plop it on my > rusty beat to hell $900 57 TR3... Wow, this is almost as good as > California real estate! > > Kurt O. > >>From: Jeff Snook >>Date: 2008/03/26 Wed PM 02:47:20 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay > >>[demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] >>Hey all here is a link to a Devin street car on eBay that just showed up. >>Poor photos, not much description, and a BIG price! >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-TRIUMPH-DEVIN-FOR-ROAD-OR-RACE_W0QQitemZ3 >>30222673378QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>If the link gets stripped out it is item # 330222673378 >> >> >> >>Jeff Snook >>http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> >> >> >>E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) >>Database version: 5.09480 >>http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of >>rtCurve.gif] >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 16:14:00 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:14:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin TR3 on eBay Message-ID: I'm guessing good examples of European sports cars will continue to increase in value, especially those cars owned in the US with the continuing falling dollar. American muscle cars have already started their correction, downward. A Sports Car Market Magazine article recently compared a diversified classic car collection with the performance of the Dow over 10 years. The car collection won hands down, but the fine print was that the fiscal performance did not include the cost of storage, maintenance, or insurance. Hey, I'd rather turn a wrench on a nice Triumph in a comfortable garage than know I've got a stock certificate sitting in some safety deposit box. And as long as Grundy Worldwide still writes in Hawaii, insurance is not that big an issue. Let long term investments be fun investments, and maybe die broke? Aloha, Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 18:28:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:28:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: List, I was in my storage garage....and looked in a box. I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies..... It turns out they are in decent condition. If you would like to carry a spare...or want to avoid a rebuild...contact me. Otherwise, next stop, eBay. Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Mar 26 18:48:25 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Comments interspaced below... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? > Aloha, Don, and the FoT. Don, I could not agree with you more on all of > your > points. Out here in Hawaii, there is simply no place to race in any > meaningful way. While I am very interested in racing and do own and > autocross a race > prepared Spitfire on a very small SCCA track in Hilo, my main benefit > from my > FoT membership is to "Lurk and Learn." You guys have helped me in many > ways, > and I appreciate all the information that flows from the FoT > organization. > > For what it's worth, I am hoping someday that FoT will officially expand > it's horizons to include, at least, a stated and real interest in > historically > significant Triumphs--whether race cars or not. As many of you know, I > have > purchased the first TR2 built for the North American market, commission > number > TS1 LO (See Joe Alexander's e-mails about September's Watkins Glen event, > and > the July issue of Classic Motorsports). This car has never been a trailer > queen, and will not be a show car under my ownership, just like it has > always > been a driver under the ownership of Joe Richards. It is a piece of > history > restored to be driven, and will be driven here in Hawaii. > > Since there is no Triumph club physically based in Hawaii, At one time back in the 70s and 80s there was an active Triumph club in Hawaii. Linda and I were on vacation in Honollulu in '84 and we linked up with the club as they happened to have a meeting the week we were there. I seem to recall one of the members was a guy named John Schrum. > I'm faced with > ginning up a local constituency that will enjoy this car along with our > family, > and perhaps even some off island tourist or visitor interest in the car. > It > would be great to have the support of a national constituency for vehicles > like TS1, in far away places like Hawaii, but how does one make the > choice among > all the Triumph organizations Don mentioned, and more? Which club or > conglomeration of clubs has a charter and mission statement that would be > best for > TS1? It would seem that every club should have room in its charter for > the > celebration of a car like TS1, a Triumph for all seasons, and a Triumph > for all > persons interested in the marque. With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). While there may not be a specific Triumph club with a local chapter in Hawaii, odds are there may be a local AACA chapter. As to the charter/mission of VTR, ours has always been to encourage the ownership, preservation AND operation of all Triumph automobiles. If you ever get the chance to attend a VTR national convention, you'll find we have a mandatory "driving event" requirement for all vehicles entered in the concour. That "requirement" was instituted back in 1981 and has been in place ever since. > Yikes, now I've written a tome! Thanks for reading, and see you all in > September at Watkins Glen. > > Much aloha, Robert P. Smith, Volcano, Hawaii Linda and I will be at the Glen also with our 95% original 61 TR-3A. We stay at the nearby KOA campground. The Glen is a great venue for the vintage races. We have been going for about 10 years now and only missed a couple of times. Cheers, Bill Sohl Past President, VTR 1983-1990 From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 19:18:00 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:18:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Used OEM Rocker Arm Assemblies-Available not interested? delete now! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/08 4:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: << I have a couple of extra rocker arm assemblies.. >> I have a sizable stack of these in a plastic box on the shelf. One of these days, I will have to count them. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 20:20:39 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Last minute prep Message-ID: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> So today I was out in the shop doing the last bit of prep work on my Spitfire in anticipation of the opening SCCA regional at Portland this weekend. Opened the shop door so I could fire up the car, and lo and behold it's snowing. I'm only 25 miles and a few hundred feet higher than PIR. Ya gotta love this Pacific NW weather. I can't tell you how many times I've sat on pregrid with two slicks and two rain tires on the car waiting to make that last minute decision. From SMITH1127 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 20:43:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:43:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR is now involved with FoT at THE GLEN----Membership In VTR? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:48:50 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, billsohl at optonline.net writes: With such an important vehicle as TS1, I'd recommend joining Vintage Triumph Register (VTR), Triumph Register of America (TRA) and also the Antique Car Club of America (AACA). Thanks, Bill. I am a member of VTR and TRA, and am familiar with the Hawaii Chapter of the Antique Car Club of America. I appreciate your thoughts. Aloha. Robert **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 25 13:38:25 2008 From: twin_pine_restoration at frontiernet.net (Twin Pine Restoration) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Message-ID: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Mar 26 21:00:21 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> References: <000a01c88eaf$cb1ee640$615cb2c0$@net> Message-ID: <47EB0DC5.20704@141.com> Russ, Kubota tractors used those alternators. I bought one for Susan's spitfire and after we got it I went to the junk yard and compared and found that there are a LOT of alternators in the junkyards that are the same. I think the Geo Metro is one that had an identical alternator. Typically about $35 or so from the junk yard. Brad Twin Pine Restoration wrote: > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 26 22:06:33 2008 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:06:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] And Now for Something Completely Different Message-ID: Tom: That's my buddy Steve (AKA "The Crook") I bought the #357 TR4 from! Cheers! Mark 62 RMVR TR4 #357 64 SCCA Spitfire #42 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 23:16:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 23:18:31 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000f01c88eb6$f8905620$e9b10260$@net> Message-ID: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? What about just unplugging the stock alternator? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have started using for race applications. What was that application? Thanks in advance Russ Moore Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 27 00:25:10 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:25:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets Message-ID: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? For example: Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. Groove Our price: $ 28.95 Type: Product Availability: Available Qty: Buy now | Add to wishlist | Add to favorites Ask a question | Email to a friend | Print SKU: MAN-13051-8 Manufacturer: Manley Mfg part #: 13051-8 Be the first to review this product. Write a review Description: Specifications: Valve Stem Installed Height Groove Type Weight per Pair .3110" Standard Bead Loc. 8.2 gr * Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish * Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. * Highest quality alloy steel. * Thicker for greater strength. * Sold in pairs of 8. Shipping cost: These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. Thanks, Greg [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 27 04:46:47 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 27 04:56:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: If you're going to use electronic ignition of any sort you'd be better of with an alternator, the 14 volts you wind up with is appreciated and expected by the electronics. As a guy who runs points for just that reason I still think about an alternator occasionally as being one less thing I need to worry about in the pits. Forgetting to make sure your battery is fully charged can be a bitch sometimes. And what are you doing up at this hour Susan. It's one AM here in Hawaii, but i woke up after having a bit too much port tonight. Cigars and a long talk with an old friend--now I'm paying the price. On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:46 AM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an > alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This > one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also > ran > better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put > the > proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. > > Keep Triumphing, > Susan :) > > > jim hearn wrote: >> So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? >> What about just unplugging the stock alternator? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of >> Russ Moore >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' >> Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? >> >> I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso >> alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many >> have >> started using for race applications. What was that application? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com >> >> >> >> > > -- > ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still > writing Pig on my checks. ** > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 06:01:41 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:16 AM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 I see that NAPA carries StaLube in 85-90 and 85-140 that they say is GL-4 but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 plus so does that make the StaLube superior for use in a racing TR6 tranny? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:00:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:39 -0500 > From: "Kramer, Robert" > Subject: Re: [Fot] GL-4 > To: "riverside" , > Message-ID: > <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D0C3606 at RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ask them if they have EP-90, I think that is the lettering on the > bottle. > > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of riverside > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:33 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GL-4 > > I just called my local Car Quest and was told they could not get GL-4. > My current 5 gal container is about half full, so not an emergency yet. > It is Quaker State 75w90 item #51125 > > art d > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com > NAPA sell GL-4 under the CRC brand, and Amsoil sell GL-4 by mail order. Leon Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 27 06:02:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? In-Reply-To: <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> References: <000501c88fc9$ffe0f330$b1191718@computer> <47EB7B17.3060009@141.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A86@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> The path we are heading down in CVAR will have us running Lucas alternators before long or you will lose the points anyway. The Geo Metro apporach isn't period correct. Ugh. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:47 AM To: jim hearn Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? Some folks (those of us in CVAR, for example) are required to run an alternator if it was a stock part on the car or we lose points. This one weighs a decent bit less than the stock version. (My Spit also ran better after we put an alternator back on it.) You will have to put the proper pulley on it for the correct RPMs for your car. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) jim hearn wrote: > So what is the advantage to using this smaller alternator for racing? > What about just unplugging the stock alternator? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Russ Moore > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:30 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: [Fot] single wire mini alternator thread? > > I recall in the past there was some discussion of the Nippon Denso > alternator application that was a single wire mini unit that many have > started using for race applications. What was that application? > > Thanks in advance > > > > Russ Moore > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitfiresuz at 141.com > > > > -- ** Dang, is it the Year of the Rat already? And here I am still writing Pig on my checks. ** _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 27 07:19:06 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:19:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR valve split collets In-Reply-To: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c88fd3$502ff210$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <200803271319.m2RDJEfS487318@ns3.geneseo.net> Ken Gillanders at BFE sells titanium keepers. Very nice, very strong, won't break the bank. At 01:25 AM 3/27/2008, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >Are there any better sources of valve keepers than the big three? Can >we use those offered by Manely and the like with our TR valves? > >For example: > > > > >Manley Super 70 Steel Valve Locks For .3110" Valve Stem With Bead Loc. >Groove > >Our price: $ 28.95 > >Type: Product >Availability: Available > >Qty: Buy now | > Add to wishlist | > Add to favorites > > >cnc-motorsports.com/product%2Easp%3FProdID%3D14891%26CtgID%3D14888> Ask >a question | Email to a friend | > Print > > > > > >SKU: MAN-13051-8 >Manufacturer: Manley >Mfg part #: 13051-8 >Be the first to review this product. > >Write a review >Description: >Specifications: > >Valve Stem >Installed Height >Groove Type >Weight per Pair > >.3110" >Standard >Bead Loc. >8.2 gr > >* Heat Treated and Black Oxide Finish >* Preferred by Winston Cup and BGN Engine Builders. >* Highest quality alloy steel. >* Thicker for greater strength. >* Sold in pairs of 8. >Shipping cost: >These are available in 7 and 10 degree and conventional and bead loc. > >Thanks, > >Greg > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a >name of image001.gif] >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 07:53:49 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:53:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From rhlamp at babcock.com Thu Mar 27 07:59:33 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38085@barbpo3.bwes.net> I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:54 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: mshoemaker at theglen.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Thanks gang, We have a bunch more Triumph stuff planned. Story on the Wedges, incluidng Bill Warner's Group 44 car, next issue, then Spitfire handling and engine upgrades and then there is this ratty TR6 that we just picked up. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 FOT, The CMS May issue #132 contains a very nice announcement about the FOT Kastner CUP Race at Watkins Glen. (sponsored by Classic Motorsports Magazine and Moss Motors) The roster of intended entrants, in CMS, is very impressive. Half the entries are TR4. That will be fun. Some will be VERY fast. There appears to be a nice representation of TRIUMPH SPECIALS, that includes the TR 250K as driven by Tony Garmey and owned by Bill Hart. Very Cool! Perhaps the Peyote and an Ambro or two will be there, too. The whole CMS issue #132 is like a vein of gold waiting to mined by the reader. It contains some neat father/son stuff like when Tim and his son Tommy arrived at the BMTA Conference at the hotel in . (never mind there were 50 folks waiting for them in the tour bus going to Glenn's MG and to dinner) And CMS announces that our own Gary Horskorta has a forthcoming article on TR2 TS1 LO, the first Triumph Sports Model to go down the assembly line. This very historic TRIUMPH and it's owners, Joe and Dottie Richards, will also be honored at Watkins Glen in Spetember. More stuff later, Joe Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as grmtim at aol.com In a message dated 3/13/08 11:22:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com writes: > Amici... > > I agree, and while I tend to be more of a purist presentationwize, I was > taken by the article about the MORGAN with a Lotus Twin Cam engine. > > That's got to be a hoot. > > Bill Dentinger > > ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aol hom00 030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:02:50 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:02:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kudos to Tim Suddard and Classic Motorsports-Kastner Cup Stuff Message-ID: Still have it. Start on it next when the Tiger is done in a few weeks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 I was wondering what happened to the Group 44 GT6 project? R. Lamp ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 08:23:24 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D152A85@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <8CA5E2D4047E68E-5F8-36D6@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert Sta-Lube is a brand mentioned in Kas' original Comp Prep manuals. With today;s marketing it probably isn't the same product anymore. ==AM== I'm at work, and my jug of Sta-Lube is in the garage at home, so I can't double-check. But I'm pretty sure that it does say GL-4 right on the jug. Funny thing, though: some NAPA stores don't stock it and will look at you as if you had the proverbial two heads when you ask for GL-4; others will say "right over there on the shelf"! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 08:52:29 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] 02 sensor locations In-Reply-To: <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> References: <49f668fe0803270604mde0a8bfo614243ab473a8d5d@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c89015$e36d1930$aa474b90$@com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803270752x1e7584b0w7ed3c19700b09916@mail.gmail.com> I have a pacesetter header [again, really liked the one from Kingston in England, but no time to get one this time]. The wide band O2 sensor is mounted on top of the collector -- just after the pipes all come together. This is a heated sensor. It is hooked to an Innovate wide band meter -- LM-1. This is a recording device also. I also got an LM-3 axillary box. This allows me to record the rpms [from the Crane ignition]. The LM-3 has a built in MAP sensor, so I have hooked the PI vacuum to it. Hope to have the car running this weekend. With this setup I can read MAP, RPM and O2 so can get the TR PI system dialed in. The devices allow 45 minutes of recording, so can capture actual run data. The Aux box also has built in linear and lateral accelerometers, so will be able to determine cornering forces and HP and Torque. A real rolling dyno of sorts. Results to follwo. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Joseph Grant wrote: > John, > > You need to mount the sensors as close to the manifold as possible. This > is > why: in order for the sensors to come online, they need to heat up. The > sooner they come online the quicker an FI PCM goes into closed loop. Are > you running FI on your engine or are you hooking the o2 sensors to one of > those meters that show the air/fuel ratio? Either way, the sensors need > to > heat up quickly before they can start giving proper readings. > > Don't dismiss my answer. The engine in my TR6 is indeed FI, with handmade > headers. The O2 sensors are mounted on the very top of the collector. > Click on the following link: http://www.bowtie6.com/repairs/cam54.jpg and > that shows a pic of the engine in my TR6. You can see on the extreme > bottom > the header on the passenger side. You can see the O2 sensor sticking up > from the top of the collector. > > In your case, I realize the bung cannot be welded on the top of the > exhaust > manifold like I did on mine. However, the O2 sensor can be placed on the > pipe that attaches to the end of the manifold. > > Joe > '72 TR6 - CC77169 > http://www.bowtie6.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:6pack-bounces+grant=bowtie6.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John > North > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 09:04 > To: Triumph 6 Pack > Subject: [6pack] 02 sensor locations > > Where is the best place to locate sensors... Nelson Reidell suggests > in the middle of the down pipes. I have the 76 double pipe system, > so I guess I need two sensors and a switch to get readings off both > carbs. Any suggestions or advice? > > John North > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 6pack at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 27 09:29:32 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Cooper Fitch update In-Reply-To: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000001c88fb1$2745d350$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <019301c8901f$5b2386e0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> For those of you interested, I've updated the information at: http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html A bank account has been started for the Friends of Fitch at Salisbury Bank and Trust Company, and that information is included. Thank you for your support! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Mar 27 11:37:47 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:37:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head minimums Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADDE54@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Can anybody tell me where I can locate information on the minimum total thickness and minimum combustion chamber depth for Spitfire 1500 heads? I need to zip a little more off of the head surface and would rather not hit the water jacket. Scott B. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 11:59:16 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 In-Reply-To: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c88fc9$acf98010$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <0f7f01c89034$45f48110$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > but, on the other hand, Redline's tranny lube is GL-5 Not according to their web site : http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 (or what's printed on the bottles I have) Their "gear oils" are rated GL-5, but generally not recommended for use in synchromesh transmissions, because they are too slippery for good synchro operation. But even so, they don't have the corrosive additive found in conventional GL-5, so should be safe for use in Triumph differentials. Randall From vanlake at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 27 16:08:56 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Google GL 4 and you will find more dealers of GL4 then you care to read. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 27 16:57:58 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> References: <032720082208.9904.47EC1AF80000A7F0000026B022230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <100e01c8905e$0027c0f0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Redline MT 90 is GL-4 the multi weight 80-90 is GL 5 Just for clarity, Redline's full synthetic GL-4 manual transmission lube is available both in 70W80 (MTL) and 75W90 (MT-90). Their GL-5 gear oil is available in 70W75, 75W80, 75W90, 75W140 and 80W140. http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants.asp?categoryID=7 Randall From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Mar 27 18:16:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph.... FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse 5. Reserved downtown parking 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets. For immediate info and registration form, go to: http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. ------------ Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 27 18:37:18 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Nice promotion, Bill! I am hoping that we do a lot of advance sales of FOT/Glen Shirts and Friday will be the Official FOT Shirt Day. The Triumph Race Cars will have priority in coming to the VILLAGE, too. Not to mention Friday afternoon's, "The Legends Speak", will be a BLUE RIBBON PANEL of FOT list members. Joe A > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so... > > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with > your street driven Triumph.... > > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving > event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a > Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted) > > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira) > 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack > 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack > 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse > 5. Reserved downtown parking > 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral > Parking area > > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES > two full race weekend WGI tickets. > > For immediate info and registration form, go to: > > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link > > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph > > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. > ------------ > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > From dkettler at powercom.net Thu Mar 27 19:37:26 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Dear FOT: I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? Thanks. Dave Kettler From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 21:44:00 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: <007e01c89085$f5efe950$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I've had good luck with the Eastwood caliper paint - bead blast to bare metal first. It's holding up on my front claipers after a few years and the usual drips from bleeding ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kettler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I > use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a > solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other > solution? > > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 07:22:48 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take all day by itself. Last year during TRA we did laps of The Glen in our TR3s and TR4s. Some Numbskull way up front couldn't keep up with the pace car and the laps for us in the back were way too slow (no passing). This time, I'm lining up right behind the pace car. John H. > Not all us FOTers have a race Triumph...so...> > Here's a great way to get involved at the Glen Vintage Race weekend with your street driven Triumph....> > FYI if you are interested in participating in the "Tour de Marque" driving event on Friday as part of the day's activities (you must be driving a Triumph) there are less than 20 openings (the event is limited to 100 cars). > > Here's the rough set of activities (all on Friday except as noted)> > 1. Tour of the Wings of Eagles air museum (near Elmira)> 2. Brunch for driver and navigator at the WGI racetrack> 3. Two parade laps around the WGI racetrack> 4. Two laps around the "old street" racecourse> 5. Reserved downtown parking> 6. Saturday and Sunday - Reserved parking at WGI racetrack at the BMW Corral Parking area> > Note, the registration fee for the "Tour de Marque" is $135 and it INCLUDES two full race weekend WGI tickets.> > For immediate info and registration form, go to:> > http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ > > Click on: the Stone Bridge Drivers Events link> > Click on Watkins Glen International Tour de Marque - Triumph> > Click on "entry form here" at the right end of the "To Enter:" line. From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 28 09:26:04 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating In-Reply-To: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> References: <003f01c89074$49d9dd80$341172d8@David> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 10:07:57 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3.> > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take> all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 13:13:45 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 28 14:28:11 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Cheap Lodging... In-Reply-To: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <014301c89107$d80d7ba0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <8CA5F29608F520E-1454-189E@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com> Not in Watkins Glen, but an easy drive, about 20 minutes away in Elmira/Horseheads. Motel 6. $55.95/night Mon-Thur. $59.95/night Fri-Sat. Plus tax, of course. Rich Rock From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 28 15:53:02 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Room Message-ID: <01dc01c8911e$188fc1e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> The room at the Hampton Inn is no longer available. Peter Bulkowski from Toronto is taking it. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Snook To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Watkins Glen Room Hey all, I just scored a room in Montour Falls (closer to the track) and am ready to cancel my reservation at the Hampton in Painted Post. Contact me if interested and I'll try to change the reservation when I call to cancel. Don't know whether they are sold out or not. I've got a room with two double beds at $114/night for 4 nights starting 9/3. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09510 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 28 18:02:57 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:02:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] [FOT] paint or coating Message-ID: <20080328.200257.28361.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> I have had similar experiences with urethane paints. Most are somewhat resistant to brake fluids. They are also more difficult to sand, abrasive blast, etc. Be sure to wear a good respirator with fresh organic vapor cartridges or better yet a supplied air respirator when painting with urethanes. Without a respirator you may become sensitized to the Isocyanates in the hardener. This may cause a severe athsma like reaction. Once you are sensitized to it, you will react to it with any exposure. Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, David Kettler wrote: > Dear FOT: > > I'm looking for a paint or coating that is resistant to brake fluid. I use > Castrol GTLMA brake fluid. I know that silicone fluid might be a solution, > but prefer to stay with the Castrol conventional fluid. > > Does anyone have a recommendation on a paint, powder coat or other solution? When I painted my race car, I used PPG's cheap catalyzed acrylic urethane called Omni AU. I mixed as directed 4-1-1 and the paint sticks pretty well. I have spilled Castrol LMA directly on several places on the body (front left fender, driver's door and in the engine compartment) and the paint didn't soften or lift. I was very surprised (and somewhat delighted. I'm not a fan of silicone for a bunch of reasons. But that's like a religious thing for car guys, and I don't want to start folks ranting on the topic. > Thanks. > > Dave Kettler regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmmKGUUoNDFkzbumNUQKAxGW Rh3wIz9iDX0MVKgDAPT9P3HS/ From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 18:28:02 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question Message-ID: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 versus GL-5, etc. for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? I see non-synthetic StaLube is GL-4 and so is a version of Redline gear oil. It doesn't seem like they could be equal if judging by nothing else but price. Does it just say that both are adequate for this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? Thanks for any clarification, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 28 19:04:40 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <127001c89138$ddfeab70$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. > for use in a Triumph (TR6) tranny? As I understand it, the concern is an "extreme pressure" (EP) additive that contains sulfur. As the additive does it's job of protecting gear surfaces after the normal oil film has broken down, it also deteriorates and eventually forms sulfuric acid. (This is also what gives old gear oil that distinctive smell.) This acid in turn can slowly corrode surfaces made of copper alloys (collectively "yellow metal") that also rub, like synchro rings and bushings. If you've ever taken out a synchro ring that was black where it didn't rub, that is a sign it was attacked by the EP additive. Unfortunately the "GL" standards do not address this additive directly and thus different formulations can have different amounts of it. Even conventional GL4 oils have some of it, just not as much as most conventional GL5 oils. It's even possible for a GL5 oil to meet the GL4 standard, for example Valvoline Durablend gear oil. http://www.valvoline.com/products/Durablend%20Gear%20Oil.pdf (I believe Sta-Lube also used to market a conventional oil with both markings on it, but they stopped due to consumer confusion.) Also, since synthetic oils have a stronger base stock (meaning the normal oil film will hold up under more pressure), they typically do not use as much of the sulfur-based additive. Thus a synthetic GL5 should be safe for yellow metal. At least I've been running GL5 synthetic in my TR3A differential for many years now, and while the thrusts were pretty badly worn when I got it in 1982, they don't seem to have gotten any worse in all those years & miles. (This isn't what I use, just an example of a GL5 full synthetic gear oil that specifically mentions being safe for yellow metal) http://www.royalpurple.com.au/files/CIY7IBY5U1/mgearaps.pdf Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 23:28:37 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the tranny lube subject Message-ID: <000001c8915d$bde7f2e0$b1191718@computer> Sounds like StaLube is best for my TR6 tranny since it is GL-4 and I have found it at the local NAPA. It comes in 85/90 and 85/140. I race (mostly autocross) mostly in hot weather (California). I would think to use the 85/90 but is it possible that I should consider using the 85/140? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 01:29:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:29:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000001c89133$c03c8350$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 29 00:49:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:49:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > ?????? http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 02:27:23 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <47EDE692.3090209@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080329072749.NYUB25784.mta9.adelphia.net@randall> > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. > > > > > ?????? > > http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00423.html ??? indeed, guess it was just me that didn't get it. Oh well, apologies for the (almost) duplicate. Randall From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 07:45:09 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <20080329062953.LFOU10451.mta10.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 > versus GL-5, etc. Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that breaks down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used in synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has more of this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive itself, so not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full synthetic oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; so many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is Valvoline Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests or put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but they don't any more. > Does it just say that both are adequate for > this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or GL5. In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than either GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 08:26:57 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines Message-ID: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Mar 29 08:59:19 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines In-Reply-To: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding them anyway. Brad BOB KRAMER wrote: > There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for > vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car can > be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He has > heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 29 09:34:21 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1296 engines References: <000801c891a8$f694a890$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> <47EE5947.6090905@141.com> Message-ID: <005801c891b2$5cd99a30$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Thanks for all the responses. I'm making sure he gets the info. This may help gat another Spitfire guy on the track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 engines > Bob, large journal 1296 engines still seem to be available, its the small > journal blocks that seem to be scarce. We haven't had any trouble finding > them anyway. > > Brad > > > BOB KRAMER wrote: >> There is a guy in my local Triumph club that want to build a Spitfire for >> vintage racing, He has come to the realization that his 1500 equipped car >> can >> be backdated to 1972 rules but he will need to run the 1296 engine. He >> has >> heard that they are getting hard to find. Should he be worried? >> >> Bob Kramer >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Mar 29 11:18:58 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 29 11:57:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:57:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then set the walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without wetting your wallboards. Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It won't be enough... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 29 12:01:51 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest you make a space for a bunch of big cardboard pieces that you can slide under the triumph! :) ~SB On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 29 12:06:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AD2920B-DD79-44A3-811E-6C7E44CD7926@bnj.com> Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift without ever using it. On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > When you poor the slab bring the periphery up a few inches and then > set the > walls on that. Then you can thoroughly flush the place without > wetting your > wallboards. > > Put in WAY more electrical outlets than you will ever need! It > won't be > enough... > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 29 12:15:31 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006401c891c8$e08f17e0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> I'd include a space to eat and sleep because when you're done she'll make you sleep there. JVV Fog 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 29 12:17:22 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2008 12:09:00 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Make it 50 percent bigger than you plan, then it will only be 50 > percent too small. Electrical outlets in the ceiling, think about > adding piped air in the walls using plastic pipe, put your air > compressor outside in an insulated box. Ditch the lift--takes too much > space and you won't use it enough. Rolling frame stands are more > practical. I have one for each car--you can make them yourself. take a > look at www.allaluminumtour.com to see mine. I bought and sold a lift > without ever using it. > Amici... Having ample space is great, but as a matter of fact, no matter how large you make it...you'll fill it. 'Stuff' increases in direct proportion to the space available. Sure agree on number of outlets and outlets in the ceiling. Getting the air compressor outside addresses both a noise issue and storage. Disagree concerning the lift. Wouldn't be without one. They're great!!! Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Sat Mar 29 12:44:00 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to http://www.garagejournal.com Just about everykind of garage/workspace imaginable has been outlined and presented here, and there are tons of pictures of people's projects for you to get ideas. I've got lots of ideas I what to do on my 30x32, and the group is very helpful.... You'll end up spending hours and hours, though. There is everything from what to do with your floors for budget conscious guy to what the retired millionaire doctors are doing with their 3 building bridge- trollied complexes.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Ken Gano palm top wrote: Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as srcypher at mac.com From VANDECARR at aol.com Sat Mar 29 13:00:19 2008 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:00:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: About 5 years ago I built a 24x40 garage built using pole barn construction. The total cost was just a few thousand more than the cost of the excavation and foundation for a conventional garage. I outside is finished in siding to match the house, it's well insulated and I heat it with a $100 portable kerosene stove. I just built the structure and then had a floating slab poured for the floor. I had them pour it flat so setting up the car's suspension is real easy. Total cost was less than half of conventional construction and looking at it you can't tell the difference. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From cofrog at q.com Sat Mar 29 13:00:31 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Message-ID: I may have screwed up. I ordered some Stahl headers for my TR4A racer. It never occured to me (dummy) that the headers may be different for a TR4 than a TR4A, so I just ordered TR4 headers. Alas, they don't fit as they interfer with the upper A arm mount. I am awaiting a return call from Mr. Stahl to find out if he has templets for both cars or is one size fits all. My question is have any TR4A folks bought headers from Stahl, and if so, was it necessary to specify TR4A rather than TR4. My hope is that Stahl uses one templet for TR3 thru 4A and that the ones I have have a manufacturing error causing the misfit. If there are two templets, I may have some headers for sale soon. :-( Thank, Dan Forgey From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 29 13:40:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:40:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <6066004.1866641206819617970.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Ken; Give some real thought to the type of heat. I work in a shop that has heated floors. Hot water from a wall mounted boiler circlutes thru the slab and it is great. Feet are warm and everything stays warm, cars, tools, and naps on the creeper under the car are great. Dean T. >From: Ken Gano palm top >Date: 2008/03/29 Sat PM 12:18:58 CDT >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal >Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached >garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > >Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the >hobby. > >I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a >4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be >permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and >Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest >requirements. :-) > >I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design >considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial >layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am >sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet >of paper project. > >Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > >Kg > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 >10:58 AM >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 29 15:16:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am interested in. The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? uncle jack From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 16:36:27 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:36:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <006301c891ed$5402de90$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Couple of thoughts from my own garage - you can never have too much light. Mine is well lit by 2'x4' flourescent lights salvaged from an office space that was getting demolished Paint the floor - after ten years, I cleared out the garage one weekend and used the Griot's Garage two part epoxy paint. The place is unbelievably cleaner and brighter. The paint has held up well four years out - a few chips where I have dropped steel (driveshafts, springs, etc), but overall great Heat - I just have a natural gas fired unit heater. In Philadelphia that's enough Underfloor heat would be great but much more expensive. Depends on the climate, and if I lived in Maine or mid west, I would go for underfloor Ventilation - wish I had put an BF exhaust fan in the roof. Operable skylight is pretty good though. Insulate the roof and walls if possible, buy an insulated garage door. Put in windows for natural light - nice to have a view over your work bench! My garage has a pitched roof, so there is a loft space framed out with a plywood floor. It makes great storage space. Right now it's accessed only by a ladder but someday will have a drop down stair Best thing I did is have an I-beam put in that runs in line with one of the "car spots" over to the workbench. It has an I-beam trolley on it - with a chain hoist I can pull an engine and transmission and drop them right on my workbench. As the garage is not huge this takes up less room than the typical roll around engine hoists when you are not using them compressed air - yes, buy a two stage compressor - nothing else is adequate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 16:44:13 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:44:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200803292117.m2TLH3G3268009@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Jack W. Drews wrote: > Does anyone have personal experience with blocking or altering the > bypass valve on the filter head of TR's? > > The stock oil filter head on a TR is made with two relief valves. One > regulates pressure to the engine by dumping oil back to the sump so > the pressure to the engine isn't too high. The other one is what I am > interested in. > > The second one is a bypass that senses pressure differential between > the oil filter inlet and outlet oil pressures, to prevent a clogged > filter from starving the engine. It also prevents starvation when the > oil is too cold and doesn't want to flow well through the filter. The > problem with that valve is that it lets oil bypass the filter at too > low a pressure. The big disadvantage for race engines is that when > something starts to disintegrate, all the debris bypasses the filter > and contaminates the whole system -- particularly damaging the > expensive crank and the less expensive oil cooler and hoses. > > I'm thinking that in a race engine, we change oil often and the > likelihood of a clogged filter is slim. Likewise, most of us use > 20W50 or some such, which acts like 20W at low temperatures. > > Here's my question: It seems that for our race engines, we could > disable the bypass valve, or at least significantly change the > pressure at which it bypasses, to make the oil filter more of a full > flow filter than a bypass filter. Has anyone done this? Pros and cons? > On the better heavy-duty commercial systems, bypass oil is shunted to a second filter when the differential reaches the preset, and turns on a monitor light to indicate to the operator that the primary filter needs attention. That's probably the ideal situation, but a bit impractical for an occasionally-run vintage racer. I suppose the question would be how much differential would prevent the sort of problem Jack describes. Too much differential and the filter can load up with gradually-shed pieces which then tear through the filter media and into the system--no advantage there--along with a reduction in oil pressure at precisely when more pressure is needed to keep the engine alive. Too little and the engine is awash in unfiltered oil. As I recall, the commercial units described above have a factory preset of, depending on the system manufacturer, about 8-11 psi, although I've heard that a differential of as little as five psi indicates a fairly loaded filter (systems for heavy-duty auto transmissions, which run at pretty high pressures and volumes, seem to be preset for about 15 psi differential). What is just as important, I would guess, is knowing when the filter is bypassing. A switch grounding a light would give some indication, but for some serious testing, one might need to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the differential. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 29 18:54:54 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <47EEC63D.9000909@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > but for some serious testing, one might need > to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the > differential. Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Mar 29 18:04:40 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature In-Reply-To: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> References: <20080329235445.ZAPA22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> Message-ID: <47EED918.2090705@dfn.com> Randall wrote: >> but for some serious testing, one might need >> to install some pressure taps to separate gauges to show the >> differential. >> > > Or, I believe there are gauges made that read pressure differential > directly, intended for similar functions in industrial plants. > > This is quite true--these are available--but, I didn't suggest one because I have no idea of their cost, or their required calibration. Industrial process instrumentation tends to be more expensive than automotive grade. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 29 18:42:27 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question In-Reply-To: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Jim, Moss suggests Red Line 75W90 NS for non-OD Triumph transmissions and Red Line MT-90 for OD applications. I have used both with positive results. If you read the label on the MT-90, it states that it has a better coefficient of friction which supports quick synchro engagement allowing for high speed shifting - up and down. Most gear oils and motor oils are too slippery for proper synchro engagement. MT-90 is recommended for all manual transmissions that require GL-1, GL-3 or GL- 4 gear oils. It also meets gear oil viscosities SAE 75W, 80W and 90, or motor oil viscosities of SAE 40 and 10W40. Most GL- 5 gear oils contain reactive sulfur which can chemically wear synchros and shorten their life. Allen On Mar 29, 2008, at 8:45 AM, jim hearn wrote: > Randall, your piece is very helpful but would you recommend a specific > gear oil for a TR6 tranny. I guess my current two top contenders are > Redline MTL and StaLube non-synthetic. Any thoughts appreciated. Jim > in Sacramento > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:30 AM > To: 'jim hearn'; 'Friends of Triumph' > Subject: RE: [Fot] GL-4 question > >> I might have missed this but what is desirable about GL-4 >> versus GL-5, etc. > > Hmm, guess my previous rant didn't go through. Too big maybe. > > In a nutshell, there is a sulfur additive in both GL4 and GL5 that > breaks > down and form sulfuric acid, which can attack the "yellow metal" used > in > synchro rings, thrust washers, etc. Conventional GL5 typically has > more > of > this additive (like twice as much), but GL4 uses it as well. > > However, the GL4 and GL5 standards say nothing about the additive > itself, so > not all GL4 and GL5 oils are created equal. In particular, full > synthetic > oils typically need less of the additive to meet the performance spec; > so > many GL5 synthetics are considered safe for "yellow metal". > > There are even some oils that meet both GL4 and GL5 specs; one is > Valvoline > Durablend and another is Royal Purple. It's my belief that many more > _could_ meet GL4, but their makers just choose not to perform the tests > or > put the logo on the bottle. For example, Sta-Lube used to sell a > conventional gear oil that was advertised as meeting both specs, but > they > don't any more. > >> Does it just say that both are adequate for >> this application but GL-5 is not no matter what brand? > > I believe there is a lot more to gear oil than whether it meets GL4 or > GL5. > In fact, I would say that the MT-1 designation is more important than > either > GL-4 or GL-5, for use in a manual transmission. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 19:37:29 2008 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GL-4 question References: <000201c891a3$1af80de0$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <007201c89206$9e231ee0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer> List, I use non detergent 30 wt. from Autozone in all my TR transmissions. Works just fine. Reccommeded by John Esposito of Quantumechanics. If there's a difference between this lube and all the more exotics, I believe I'll be long gone before some future owner of my cars discovers it. Ed Woods From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sat Mar 29 20:49:03 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:49:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] GL-4 Message-ID: This is what I am now using: Amsoil Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube (MTG): SAE 75W-90 API GL-4 The bumpf reads, Designed ro meet the special requirements of certain manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides improved internal component protection. Formulated with extreme pressure additives and advanced synchromesh qualities that provide smooth shifts while protecting gears, bearings and seals. Non-corrosive to yellow metals. Recommended for manual transmissions and transaxles that require 75W-85, 75W-90 or 80W-90 viscosities and any of the following performance specifications: API GL-4 and MT-1, ZF TE-ML 02B, 16A, 17A and 19A, Chrysler MS-9070, MAN 341 ML. Recommended for use in NV 4500 transmissions and replaces GM part # 12346190 and Chrsler part # 4874459. Meets GL-4 specifications required by some models of Acura, Hyundai, Infiniti, Kia, Land Rover, Lexus, Mazda, Mitsubishi-Fuso and Zetor. Ideal for muscle car transmissions including Muncie, Borg-Warner, Saginaw, Ford Toploader, Dearborn and New Process. Also recommended for Gear Vendors Gear Splitters. I hope that helps Leon not an Amsoil dealer, just a customer. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 07:23:38 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ken, I recommend the heated floor as a priority for your new mahal. The shops I have been that have it, were quite comfortable even heat. Here in the midwest, sweating floors are a problem in spring. Heated floors prevent that. It is quiet safe heat too. It is a simple system employing a household hot water heater and circulation pump. Use lots of insulation in the walls and ceiling. And, be sure to cover the insulation on the inside with a plastic vapor barrier. Also, being an auto technician for some 45 years this September, I can assure you working under a lift the last 10 has been more pleasant than getting up and down off a creeper after having had to jack the car up an safely place it on jack stands. If you can't put it in your budget now, at least pour the reinforced location in the floor for one in the future. Get a BIG air compressor and place it outside the working area even it it means a separate little hut on the back or side out of sight. They are noisey. Pipe in the air to multiple locations and use moisture traps. That's my Two cents worth. Ken Suhre --- Ken Gano palm top wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an > unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a > respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are > modest. It needs to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall > enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district > zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I > said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as > to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to > include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and > construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise > this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - > Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From triosan at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 09:53:26 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:53:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0803300853l6b21cdb3jb5acfd1721b36827@mail.gmail.com> In the latest edition of SOVREN's "Vintage Drift" our local vintage race orgs magazine there is a full page add from a business called RaceHouse Design. Lawren Duncan in Bend Oregon. WWW.racehousedesign.com Maybe they do consulting or idea selling also? On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Ken Gano palm top < triumphs at consolidated.net> wrote: > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed it s time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From henry at henryfrye.com Sun Mar 30 10:31:56 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:31:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: <000401c89283$8b655520$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Ken, You got some great advice, for sure. Not sure where Babcock is coming from giving a thumbs down on the lift, though! I doubt I would be enjoying racing nearly as much without mine. Bill must be in better shape than me to want to climb under cars. Must be all that stand up paddle boarding... :-) I went with the pre-engineered steel building, it was even made in your neck of the woods. Mine's a Morton. Was significantly cheaper than having a contractor build me a building. Here's what I learned about steel buildings. They have come a long way on design and asthetics. Don't dismiss the idea because you think they will be ugly. Don't skimp on roof insulation, it's loud when it rains! Pay attention to the slope of the roof, if/when the snow load slides off if is a pain to clean up. Radiant in-floor heat is worth every penny spent. In New England a hot water heater was not enough BTU's to heat my shop, I use an LP gas-fired wall mounted furnace. I only insulated and heat half of my 36X38 building. No reason to heat parts storage, IMHO. I scored store shelving from a closed store in a strip shopping center. Very strong, and the landlord was happy to have me remove it for free. Saved them the expense of having it trashed. Have fun! Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device -----Original Message----- From: Ken Gano Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 30 10:37:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:37:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... Message-ID: Amici... One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and remember it well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race scenes are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the period. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 11:21:17 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: Funny you mention it. I just broke ground on my own 40'x30'x12' garagemahal this Friday. I spent a lot of time designing it and reading garagejournal. Here are my personal preferences: - insulated 6" thick concrete floor, 4,000 psi, with 10" footings beneath the lift posts. Use hard shake when the concrete is floated; this hardens the concrete (like nitriding) so that it will not chip or stain. Better then paint which is a maintenance item and needs to be redone like any paint. Includes floor drains. I am in New Mexico so it does not get cold enough for radiant heat. - don't know if Babcock is smoking Maui-waui, but a 2-post lift is a MUST. I've used them for years and just the simple expedient of raising the car 2 feet to work on the engine will have your back thanking you for years. I have ordered a Mohawk 10,000 lb lift, which is sufficient for the 3/4 ton Silverado. - I have ordered 2 insulated 12'x10' roll-up doors. Expensive as hell (each as much as the lift), but ordinary garage doors intrude too much into air space in the garage. - Doors face south, I have many windows on the northern wall. It is vital to have adequate flow-through insulation during the summer. - stick-built, insulated and stucco-finished walls are not much more expensive than a insulated steel building. I am working on a budget of $45/sq ft, and that is for the complete building, permits, electrical etc. - for lighting, I am using four 2'x4' skylights and eight T8 8' flourescent lights. T8 technology is instant start, zero flicker and work at sub-zero temperatures. 8' is a whole lot cheaper than 4'. - power is 200 amps, including 220V single phase line. I cannot ever see my self needing 3-phase. Wall plugs will be mounted at 4' off the ground. All my work benches have power-strips built-in. - you can pick up used pallet shelving damned cheap, and this is the best way to make lofts and heavy-duty storage. - I'll be running airline through the walls. I have a 2-stage 80 gallon compressor which does not bother me much (150K miles on a megaphoned Guzzi took care of my hearing) so it will stay inside with me, but I will build a closet for it. - We have more cooling days than heating days in NM, so I am using a pro-panel roof, in white. That will make it more pleasant during the summer. The only con is that I do not have any water or bathroom. The former is solved by a bucket, and the latter by the 120,000 acres of national forest on 3 sides of our property. I'll be posting pictures and a blog to garagejornal. I'll let you know the link when I have some more pics to show. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From mark at bradakis.com Sun Mar 30 12:29:35 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:29:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Mar 30 13:11:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:11:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Welcome Back Mark Louck! (GT6R Le Mans Replica) Message-ID: Mark Bradakis, please reinstate Mark Louck after being gone for a couple of years. Mark Louck openwheeldriver at frontiernet.net Mark is from Rochester, NY and is going to join us for the Kastner Cup event at the Glen. Mark is only 86 Miles away from the Glen and offers up his fab shop for emergency repairs or secure storage. His GT6 is ready to go and he plans to chase the FAST and THE FASTER up front. Welcome Mark Back! Joe A From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 30 15:50:07 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:50:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 30 19:30:53 2008 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Mar 30 19:59:02 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:59:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm sure the one-liners will peel off from this... Message-ID: <47F04566.9040306@dfn.com> ... as easily as strips of rubber from an overheated tire: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3649197.ece I wonder if Mr. Mosley will say that he was just doing private research on the best instrument for measuring in-tank fuel temperature? :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 31 06:43:42 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:43:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> References: <000801c892ce$dc43ac80$6401a8c0@HPMediaCenter> Message-ID: <000601c8932c$db272940$6e01a8c0@richardiipc> Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire toilet floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+tarch=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Eginton Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Most people I know with a lift use them for additional parking which is the second reason its on my dream garage list aside from the obvious life style advantages massaging entrails from below. Great thread! I would have never thought of cementing up a few inches for wash down!!! Curious; for those with in-floor heat, how long does it take heat up in winter to make a significant difference. I would never heat year around (too cheap), but I might consider putting the plumbing in the floor on a zone (already heat with a killer home water system) if I could turn it on say, the night before I know I'm doing garage duty. Dreaming of spring and perhaps Watkins end of April... M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tarch at bellsouth.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 07:55:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:55:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/30/2008 3:50:21 PM Central Standard Time, dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes: > I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is > finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the > lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. > Another added option to fixed light fixtures is 'task lighting'. Not very expensive. Various options available a Construction Tool suppliers. AND it is easy to take it along to the track. Bill Dentinger ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 31 08:41:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal Message-ID: In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, tarch at bellsouth.net writes: > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > toilet > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands. > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to get it out. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 10:09:17 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] return of garagemahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now your making the assumption that it was IN in the first place. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 -0400> To: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] return of garagemahal> > In a message dated 03/31/2008 6:46:35 AM Central Standard Time, > tarch at bellsouth.net writes:> > > > Of course there is a shower in the toilet that washes down the entire > > toilet> > floor to the center floor drain; and one of those tall out of date wall> > urinals that obviates the need to aim with greasy hands.> > > Good idea, Richard, but unless you're glad to see somebody, you still have to > get it out.> > Bill (Damdinger)> > > > > > **************> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home.> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&> ncid=aolhom00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Mar 31 10:26:52 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Return of the Garage Mahal Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB46411E22FAD@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well I see a lot of ideas but mine is a little different, my second garage, this one is 24 by 32 only because of the home owners ass., the walls are 14 feet tall and the gauge door is 13ft tall and 12 feet wide, high enough for a car lift if I decide to get one, at the rear I have a balcony across (24") and 8 feet out, this gives me more store space ,it also gives me an " office area with computer and other office stuff, since I fish a lot I have a tackle table there plus sink and small fridge for beer, there is railing, drink holders, and bar chairs overlooking the garage floor, also room for a foosball table that is going up there, under this is a room that is 8 by 10 that I have enclosed as a clean room for building engine stuff, has two French doors so I can see in or out, two overhead lights and a swivel light with magnifier, attached to the balcony edge are two industrial swivel fans, three speed, moves a lot of air, we really don't need that much heat in lower N.C., with the high ceilings though it stays fairly cool in the summer, I have four normal size windows two on each side and a regular door so you don't have to raise the big door, I have two sinks in the lower part, one for parts and one for other stuff (wife),I have cabinets down one side with benches and pegboard and the other side is overhead cabinets, believe it or not I can get my 22ft grady in the shop with trailer and my two triumphs during a hurricane, for lights I have four 8 ft double fluor. and track light though out with four foot flour. over the benches and sinks, ran my own electrical with wire large enough to put in a full heating and air if I ever needed it, the smartest thing I did was to build a 10 by 12 pitched roof which created me a room above everything else 32 by 12 which will be a man room/ apartment,shower/stove etc. by June I hope, will have a 10 by 12 deck out the back with stair wrapping around to the ground so from the house I can see what goes up and down, there is a full stereo system with four Bose speakers an TV overhead to watch the races. It took a lot of thought to make this happen and built it all myself, at this point I would be surprised if I had much over 10 thou in it. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer TR-6 Street From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 10:41:38 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is great for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room for little more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an electric winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the hobby. I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be a 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest requirements. :-) I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet of paper project. Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. Kg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 11:12:13 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:12:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> I occasionally refer to my wife as "She Who Must Be Obeyed" as well. Good to find another Rumpole fan. I'm not making any incriminating admissions about the Maui wowie (which we refer to locally as Pakalolo. or just Buds, braddah). But the lift or no lift question is mostly one of how you use your shop. I tend to work on several cars for a while, so having one on a lift means an immobile car in the way. Instead I built three rolling stands that hold the cars two feet in the air very securely and can be rolled around anywhere in the shop. I can get under them easily if necessary and I can work on everything at a comfortable height. I can also push three cars sideways off to a corner for cleanup or doing a large project. works for me. the lift was just in the way. I bought my lift (a very nice two post with all the toys) from a guy who installed it and found it to be a hassle. i sold it to a guy who installed it and found it a hassle. He sold it on. Might be still out there, going from garage to garage. You can see the stands, and the lack of a lift, and the fact that my shop needs a good cleaning at http://www.allaluminumtour.com/ On Mar 31, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > The one thing I did different on my 26x36 (too small) shop was to use > gambrel roof trusses. It gives the shop a barn appearance (which is > great > for my semi-rural location) and gives me an 11x36 ft storage room > for little > more than the cost of the flooring. I've got an opening and an > electric > winch that allows me to pull up our little motors, gearboxes, etc. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Ken Gano palm top > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:19 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car > attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace > for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs > to be a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs > will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean > sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: > 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 31 12:19:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip welded across each end to retain the frame rails. all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two stand setups) On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > "pad" that the frame rails set on? > > It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > > Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 31 12:29:10 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e201c8935d$1fdeb5f0$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I can chime in some on this subject...I designed my garage about 8 years ago and as my subdivision's chairman of the architectural control committee, I only had to present a preliminary plan to get my 6 car garage approved by saying it's a hobby shop and a three car garage. It's 35 X 50 with a gabled shaped mezzanine for parts storage. I used double 8 foot tube fluorescents end to end the entire length of the garage in about 4 rows. This gives good general light, but I still used two drop "trouble" lights on spring rewind power cords using compact fluorescents bulbs that are located at each end of the lift. The 8 foot tubes give a good view (using the reflections) when polishing or waxing any car, not to mention sanding prep for a new paint job. If I had it to do again I'd be sure to use 4' tubes with solid state ballasts, because I had to install a good stereo to cover-up all the ballasts' buzzing. The 220 lift is wired from the ceiling like the re-coil trouble lights. I used plug mold on all the work bench fronts that surround the car lift area except for the rolling tool boxes. Down in Houston, a shop is no good unless it is air conditioned, so when my 5-ton home unit went out, I saved it and had the bad coil replaced and put it on the top of my rest room and fed the duct work around the perimeter of the garage up high using fresh air intake from a roof mushroom. Works great. I can knock it down from a 100 degrees to 75 on a summer day in about 15 minutes. With open shelving around all sides except for the 18' door you can stand in just about one spot and see everything. I recommend that all large tools such as table saws, drill presses, vacuums, small air compressors and the like, be on wheels if at all possible. One sure fact will always remain true...No matter how big you make your garage, it will be too small after about year....so just get used to it. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+don=carterdesignassociates.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:50 PM To: Mark J Bradakis; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal I plan on having some track lighting in the garage when it is finished. The spotlight type. I figure that I can slide the lights and aim them when I am working on the engine compartment. As others have said, heat and light are important. I also plan to ring the walls with storage cabinets at 5-6 feet up to the ceiling. I have 10 foot walls, so 4 feet of cabinets should be enough. With them mounted high, it may be a pain to get things in and out, but they will allow me to keep the floor space as open as possible. Because of building restrictions, I couldn't enlarge the footprint, but I could add 3 feet to the height. Doug -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal My suggestions - you can't have too much light, just don't put them all on one switch. Sometimes you just need enough light to run in and grab a tool or something, no sense in firing up a zillion candlepower just for 13.29 seconds of use. And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as don at carterdesignassociates.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Mon Mar 31 15:38:34 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:38:34 +1100 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Amici I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > stand setups) > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? >> >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. >> >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Mar 31 03:35:01 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:35:01 +1100 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Geoff (et all) I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Amici > > I'd love a lift but not enough height in my garage . Have any of you guys > come up with a simple way of raising the car to waiste height in one > operation without jacking one end then the other . I have limited room and > find it a pain to progressively jack each end to get the TR6 up so i can > work under it. I have thought of ramps but they get in the way and Id have > to start the car which i do not want to do . Any suggestions > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > As usual (for me), I started with a loose plan and deviated as i went > > along. the third stand i built is completely different from the first-- > > and i made them all the same day. The pad is about eight inches--just > > a section of square tube placed sideways--and it has a larger lip > > welded across each end to retain the frame rails. > > > > all the stands are H section, the first ones were coupled together by > > a long telescoping and locking center pole. The last one i built has > > each stand independent. Both approaches work fine. > > > > I also made two lever lifts to raise the car high enough to put the > > stands under. It's effortless as long as I have enough room for the > > lever. The lever lifts are curved rocker rails that hook under the > > frame rail ends. as you reach the end of the rocker there's a stop you > > bump over, and then the car rests on the bump until you get the stand > > in place. I can actually lift both ends sequentially by taking the > > lever handle out of the rail assembly and sticking it in the second > > one, but when you lift the second end it pushes back against the > > rocker rails and skids them backwards. Hasn't fallen yet, but it's > > spooky, so I do one end, put a stand under, do the other, stick a > > stand under and connect the coupling rod (if it's one of the first two > > stand setups) > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Did you build the roller stands from a plan? I see the basic "H" > >> design, but I'm curious how they attach to the frame. How big is the > >> "pad" that the frame rails set on? > >> > >> It would seem to me that if the individual frames weren't attached > >> to the frame the pads should pretty long so the car wouldn't fall > >> off when you lift the opposite end by any large amount. > >> > >> Just curious. I have some under wheel dollies that I use, but the > >> roller stands have a great deal of appeal to me. > >> > >> regards, > >> rml > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > >> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > Bill Babcock > > Babcock & Jenkins > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > www.bnj.com > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From trhouse at greenapple.com Mon Mar 31 20:05:32 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past few > days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic > end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and > remember it > well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal favorite...Ava > Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for > dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road race > scenes > are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic > license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from the > period. > > Bill Dentinger Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. tom http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 31 20:13:52 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] On the Beach... References: Message-ID: <01e501c8939e$0858c3d0$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Bill..I forgot that there was any car stuff in there! Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21...Woohooo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] On the Beach... > on 3/30/08 11:37 AM, BillDentin at aol.com at BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> One of our local PBS TV Channels has been showing On The Beach these past >> few >> days. Classic 1959 Hollywood take on Nevil Shute's post apocalyptic >> end-of-the-world all out nuclear war movie. I was in the Navy then, and >> remember it >> well. Gregory Peck, Fred Astaire, Tony Perkins, and a personal >> favorite...Ava >> Gardner. I knew Fred Astaire was a 'hot shoe', but I thought it was for >> dancing. No dancing here...he's into road racing stuff. The open road >> race >> scenes >> are great to watch (although, as usual, Hollywood has taken some artistic >> license). There are some disturbing crashes, but lots of great cars from >> the >> period. >> >> Bill Dentinger > > Here are some sites that cover the race filming.. > > tom > > http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pits5.htm > > http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_125839-Swallow-Doretti-1954.html > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dkettler at powercom.net Mon Mar 31 21:07:00 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: Message-ID: <00c701c893a5$749778f0$5c1172d8@David> Ken: A number of years ago I built a 28'x60' shop. I insulated and heat about 1/2 and the rest is storage. I have a sliding door on the inside between the two sections so I can move things in and out depending on what I'm working on. I used the hardware that's used for sliding barn doors. I heat it with a natural gas unit heater and it heats in no time. I have to admit the hot water in the floor would be a lot better than cold concrete, but I don't use the shop every day, just turn on the heat when I need it. I insulated under the concrete before I poured it and also put in a grade beam of concrete around the perimeter which helps keep things stable. I also put some block on top of the slab so I can wash things out when needed. I don't have a floor drain so everything is pitched toward the overhead door. I should have pitched the floor a little in the corners by the overhead door, now the water tends to collect in these corners. I drywalled the walls and ceiling except for the first 4 feet off the floor which is prefinished white metal siding. This prevents me from putting a hole in the drywall with a jack handle. It would be pretty easy to replace one of these panels if it were dented, etc. I just installed some T8 fluorescent lights and they have improved the lighting from the old fluorescents I used to have. One thing you may want to consider is putting in doors on both ends/sides so you have an escape in the event of fire, etc. Yes, I too which it could have been bigger! Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gano palm top" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal > Finally, after 15 years of trying to work in an unheated two car attached > garage, SWMBO has agreed its time to expand :-) > > Yes, Ken finally gets to look at building a respectable workspace for the > hobby. > > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) be tall enough for a lift, be > permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance and > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. Like I said, modest > requirements. :-) > > I would be interested in hearing the lists input as to other design > considerations. What to I want to make sure to include in the initial > layout? Space is something of a premium and construction costs will, I am > sure, be the biggest limiting factor, but otherwise this is a clean sheet > of paper project. > > Your thoughts and ideas will be appreciated. > > Kg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: 3/28/2008 > 10:58 AM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as dkettler at powercom.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 31 23:11:20 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080401041107.OYYC22170.mta13.adelphia.net@randall> > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the > floor with just two jackings. How do you do this?! Can't speak for others, but I've got this really cool high-lift floor jack that the previous owner of my house left behind when they moved out, because it leaked. Lifts from about 3" (which will just get under my lowered TR3A if I pull up on the front bumper at the same time) to about 24". All it needed to stop the leaks were some packing rings in the pump; and some new bolts fixed the loose handle. Randall