[Fot] alternatives to the SCCA?

[WILLIAM TOBIN]

  Hey Bill, maybe my $20k car is worth more to me than the $1M car is to its
owner. We're all not rich out there; I've encountered a bunch of Average
Joes out there who are great people.
  Good point, though.
  Thanks, Bill Tobin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb at bnj.com>
  To: "Jay Creel" <jaxonracing at yahoo.com>
  Cc: <JWoesvra at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] alternatives to the SCCA?


  > Actually, I think Jack is being brutally honest for good reasons. I've
  > organized a few races myself, and been involved to a degree in the
  > inner politics of several vintage organizations. There are good
  > reasons why these organizations resist the pressure of sliding the
  > requirements of vintage racing to later years so that various SCCA
  > refugees can race.
  >
  > The cars that people come to see race--even the other vintage racers--
  > are cars from the fifties and sixties. Around 1970 wings and slicks
  > came in and racing changed forever. Even production cars had lots of
  > ground effects and aero tricks. Vintage racing has already changed a
  > great deal. The grand old cars don't show up as often anymore--they
  > are worth too much and cost too much to fix for their owners to have
  > them t-boned by some guy who is risking 20K in a corner VS. their
  > couple of million. Vintage organizations are getting tougher on their
  > rules, not easier. And it's for good reason. I argued the other side
  > long and hard--and I was wrong. It doesn't help vintage racing to
  > slide into the 70's, it kills it.
  >
  > Vintage means Vintage. Adding cars to a group that will circulate out
  > front and lap every vintage car, even if they aren't scored against
  > them, will change the game and keep even more true vintage cars at
  > home. Already saw it happen. If there's enough interest and money in
  > it then you can certainly organize racing events that suit these
  > cars.  The SCCA isn't making these moves in spite of the vast amounts
  > of money being made in running club events that include obsolete or
  > low-interest cars. Here in the Northwest, Team Continental and the
  > ICSCC run races with over 40 racing classes. Of course you're on the
  > track with some of the most misbegotten iron you ever saw, but it's a
  > fun group.
  >
  > The SCCA's move is nothing new by the way. I heard people complaining
  > about the exact same stuff twenty years ago.
  >
  > On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Jay Creel wrote:
  >
  > > hmm. you must be made of money.
  > > I didn't build my car to have it collect
  > > dust.  It is too bad that politics is what put cars to the pasture,
  > > sounds no
  > > different with SVRA.  I built a car to the rules, and the rules
  > > changed. I
  > > could build a SVRA compliant car and then the rules could change
  > > because you
  > > are the MAN and since I am your b****, I will have to change.
  > > "that's racing"
  > > is something the "pros" have to live with, that is why they are pro's.
  > > Doesn't
  > > look like I will be running SVRA anytime soon.  Thanks for the
  > > input, I am
  > > sure I will find some place to run the car, just have to look.
  > > A simple NO,
  > > your car is not eligible would have been fine and we could all go
  > > about our
  > > day.
  > > Sorry FOT, I don't typically respond in this fashion but the
  > > reference to
  > > "the MAN" was a little much for me to ignore.
  > > I am done with this.  Thanks
  > > ----- Original Message ----
  > > From: "JWoesvra at aol.com" <JWoesvra at aol.com>
  > > To:
  > > jaxonracing at yahoo.com; REK46 at aol.com; fpspitfire at comcast.net;
  > > fot at autox.team.net
  > > Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 5:51:55 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Fot]
  > > alternatives to the SCCA?
  > >
  > > In a message dated 6/1/2008 3:24:53 P.M. Eastern
  > > Daylight Time, jaxonracing at yahoo.com writes:
  > > because of rules issues in the
  > > SCCA and the limitations of some vintage groups,
  > > Not to beat a dead horse,
  > > but "that's racin'".
  > >
  > > You do what the MAN says or you put it away.
  > >
  > > When you
  > > ARE THE MAN, you can make the rules. Otherwise you pays your money
  > > and takes
  > > your chances.
  > >
  > > What do they say about big dogs and porches?
  > >
  > > Never changes.
  > > Just the faces change.
  > >
  > > Jack Woehrle...since 1963!
  > >
  > >
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