From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Jul 1 05:21:09 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the Mallory condensers. The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to contact. At least this has worked for me so far. If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs >great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the >second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to the extent >it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory cloth >through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading points at 29 >degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 degrees and >total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here . . . what's >wrong with the second set? >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 05:59:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Scott, Yes....we got under the wire on the price increase. It was part of the discussion with him on a cutoff date for orders. Joe > It appears he just raised prices, too; used to be < $80 or so for the > spit scraper, now its $120 on ebay... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 06:10:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:10:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Jerry, "Prior Triumph Orders" were mentioned as going out this week. If this doesnt happen, please let me know. Hope your foot is healing well. Joe A > I hope you have better luck with them than I have. I ordered two > complete scrapers with the teflon inserts in early April. I paid for > them by credit card and have never received them. I called in early > June and they told me they would be shipped within the week, I still > haven't received them. > Jerry Barr > From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:33:42 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Easy enough to test that, I just need to remember how. As I recall a signal generator and voltmeter is basically what you need, and some of the better vacuum tube voltmeters did direct capacitance measurement. Oh, wait, I don't have any of that stuff anymore. Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by smoking a few) though we could guess "high" and probably be good. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the > Mallory condensers. > > The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to > prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for > a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding > toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. > > This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. > > The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the > portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to > contact. At least this has worked for me so far. > > If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was > interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the > condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. > > > At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to >> the extent >> it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory >> cloth >> through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading >> points at 29 >> degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 >> degrees and >> total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious >> here . . . what's >> wrong with the second set? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:47:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trying to mount an electric fan on a high density radiator In-Reply-To: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: > > The battery, and the fact that races are short. In a street > > car driven over long distances and averaged, you'd be right, > > but if you drag raced that car against another the lack of a > > fan would be horsepower to the good.> > In addition, hopefully the electric fan runs only when needed; which should> generally only be at lower speeds. In day-to-day driving, mine comes on> only when I'm stuck in traffic, or just got off the freeway. The actual> duty cycle is quite low.> > Randall Thanks, guys. I wasn't thinking about the periods when the electric fan was off. Only the physics of it. Duh! John H. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:09:00 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Message-ID: Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 1 11:11:49 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <091101c8db9d$8d639040$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed > to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by > smoking a few) How is smoking a few going to help? Oh wait, you meant a few condensers. Never mind! Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Jul 1 12:08:41 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who races a blue TR3 on U-Tube ? Message-ID: <000c01c8dba5$7fc62d00$6601a8c0@Elliott> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjumerjIxbc&NR=1 From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:21:14 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <8CAA9C6C32B53C4-74C-25E2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:39:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com From john at race-dogs.com Tue Jul 1 14:08:56 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c8dbb6$4ac05a70$800101df@jawsxp> I've know people here running dual point with no problem with the MSD 6AL - I prefer only running One good set of HD points in mine and a Crane HI6, burnt too many MSD's Revs Strong past 7500- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as john at race-dogs.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=44E4374033.E9A4C From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 1 14:42:35 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:42:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 15:00:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, When I wired my Mallory dual point to the MSD 6AL box, the motor ran like crap. THEN I read the MSD manual (RTFM) and it said to disable one set of points in dual-point dizzies. YMMV Shane Ingate in NM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 From: chasgee at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Not true. I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 1 15:03:20 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> I run a Mallory dual point in my Spit FE1296 but converted to a Pertronix after not being able to keep up with the wear on the point sets. Life is good with the Pertronix. I would not go back to points. Using a Lucas Sport Coil. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:43 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; chasgee at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Jul 1 16:35:50 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:35:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080701223551.RIMV27951.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> I got one from them about 12 months ago and their service was excellent. However, if it's for a TR5/TR6, don't forget there are 3 different shaped 2500 cranks, and they don't seem to realise that. I had to do some minor mods to make to get it to work as intended. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 1 17:11:16 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The > protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: > > #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 > #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 > > I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex > Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever > feels and looks thinner at the time. > > Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from > the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced > the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the > sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and > the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 > and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per > Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just > measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of > insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also > cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned > with lacquer thinner. > > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >> >> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >> heights and variation? >> >> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >> steel shim gaskets? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Rich Rock >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 1 17:38:26 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:38:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> This is taken last friday. The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. as tr4racing at googlemail.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:35:53 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It shouldn't matter. All the second set of points does is extend the dwell time, which is the time that the points are closed and the coil has current running through it-saturating it in preparation for making a spark. They have no effect on timing since they open before the primary set opens and they are in parallel with the primary set. On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:39 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:37:44 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Pertronix is great if you're running an alternator. They like good voltage. On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor > with an > MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of > points is ok > for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I > startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps > reliable) > than using points. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Joe C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > >> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. >> >> Chuck >> Spitfire Racer >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> To: s.janzen at comcast.net >> Cc: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting >> >> >> >> Scott Janzen asked: >> >>> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >>> advance. It >> runs >>> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >>> connect >> the >>> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range >> >> Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only >> run one set of points. >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. >> http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:39:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I always deburr the figure eight gaskets, and I give the liners a whack with a lead hammer to seat them. Seems to make a difference. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either >> Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, >> whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge >> from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, >> spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to >> reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and >> direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block >> bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then >> cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim >>> headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... >>> what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure >>> 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:47:21 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <764CEACF-4220-4006-B2C4-EF1D8F9436F7@bnj.com> Wow, great video, what fun. I have GOT to do that before I shuffle off. I'm nearly done rebuilding peyote. I'm typing this with greasy fingers. a few more bolts to tighten, build a seat, make a throotle cable, put on the wheels and set the toe and I'm headed off for the Pacific Northwest Historics. This was a long, long haul--practically a complete rebuild from the ground up. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: > This is taken last friday. > The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 1 17:57:48 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <004001c8dbd6$444647c0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I use blue Hylomar for the figure 8's. It seems to seal a little better and goes on thinner. Would you believe I found some of this stuff at Harbor Freight. It was still seven bucks or so. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers >> and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. >> Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what >>> are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's >>> and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 1 18:16:33 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MSD & points Message-ID: Like Shane stated, you can run both if you like, but MSD (6AL) strongly recommends & states you connect only one set of the points. I've had mine like that in my GT-6 race car for almost 10 years & no problems at all. Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 1 22:19:43 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:19:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> Message-ID: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 00:06:17 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however slight) changes in the points gap. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:27:17 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:27:17 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8dbb8$db623150$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Where there's a will, there's a way. It should start a very interesting and amusing thread. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:28:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:28:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <003101c8dbb9$05ccce00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah, and of course additional drag on the engine! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 2 09:41:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 10:12:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Henry, Yes they do suddenly die. However, most of these sudden deaths can be directly attributed to improper installation. Forexample, most people continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. If one carefully reads the accompanying instructions, such failures tend to becomemuch les prevalent. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Amici Triumphi" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units > I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the > boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to > give you a rev limiter. > > The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work > all that well. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Wed Jul 2 10:04:35 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net><486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c8dc5d$52681040$800101df@jawsxp> FYI- I have noticed in my "Z" that when switching to a optical or Mag Trigger it does have steadier timing at upper Rev's than points- Also make sure at least with my Crane Box it does use a different wire for Points vs. Mag triggers- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=08A257434B.957D2 From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 2 10:26:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:31:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAAA782B4C5E44-544-1F8E@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> Hey guys I've had one for my racecar for over 20 years... ...and it's still sitting on the shelf getting dusty. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: Amici Triumphi ; Henry Frye Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:33:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message! **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 11:24:18 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The word NASCAR being used on the FOT list? Isn't there some kind of rules pertaining to this in the FOT bylaws? :) Marty > From: Gt6steve at aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 -0400> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; tlizzard at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net; henry at henryfrye.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units> > I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just > lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys > carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message!> > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_feb From REK46 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 11:25:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:25:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: Git 'er done ! ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 11:37:32 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Forexample, most people > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then work fine the rest of the day. I thought it was just bad luck ... Randall From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:06:34 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be occasional exceptions to any non-rule. I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that should be in every unit they sell. On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Git 'er done ! > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 2 12:35:28 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again Message-ID: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Amici, i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the data sheet. Any reason this oil should not be used? art de armond From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:09:47 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their units. This prevents spurrious emissions from damaging the units. Obviously, they want you to buy their wires but I have found that there are several companies making these and are perfectly suitable to the task. I am amazed that as much as these things cost that people don't bother reading the literature that comes with them in order to protect their investment. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Amici Triumphi'" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > > Forexample, most people > > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. > > Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core > wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD > wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work > for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then > work fine the rest of the day. > > I thought it was just bad luck ... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:11:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004401c8dc77$67104e80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I also found that shock mounting the units help a lot! Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be > occasional exceptions to any non-rule. > > I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible > to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all > the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers > discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the > same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less > protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking > diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that > should be in every unit they sell. > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > > Git 'er done ! > > > > > > ************** > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > > fuel-efficient used cars. > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:15:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:15:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <84438BF3-482A-4C82-A6F9-857BBA9FB6E6@bnj.com> I use it all the time, peyote is full of VR-1 right now. On Jul 2, 2008, at 11:35 AM, riverside wrote: > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 2 13:25:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000a01c8dc79$68cba830$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We've used it in our engine in 6 events and no problems regarding cam wear. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:40:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:40:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I've had 2 MSD 6AL units on 2 different cars. Both have been flawless, and it was the way the first box performed that convinced me to buy the second. All up I have over 40K miles on the 2 boxes. All y'all comments come as a surprise, because I know dozens of cars with MSDs with no failures. Maybe I should read more magazines and watch more telly to keep informed (or maybe not; ignorance is bliss). Prior to that I did have 3 Pertonix failures (sudden-death syndrome). The Pertronix is great because the points can be installed in less than 3 mins, but I've not yet figured out how to hotwire a MSD. Don't even get me started on the POS Mallory Unilite dizzies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 15:41:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 2 17:28:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory condenser value Message-ID: <200807022328.m62NSVTE180584@ns3.geneseo.net> For what it's worth, the capacitance of the Mallory condenser #400, used with our dual point distributors, is .28 mfd, 600V. After my carping about not being able to find out the value, I discovered it was on the package of a new condenser. Good grief. It's off to the parts store tomorrow. uncle jack From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 2 17:38:07 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <004101c8dc9c$ae0ee600$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Along with Penn Grade Racing Oil, I think we can also trust Valvoline VR-1. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 17:43:03 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com><003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000001c8dc9d$5ebcd930$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I tried to find the installation instructions that came with the MSD6! I currently use but could not locate it. I will keep looking. However, I did run across a coil compatibility list which may explain some failures. But I remember quite clearly the Plug Wire issue because I called The MSD tech support to ensure that the ones I decided on would not damage the unit. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:42 PM To: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 2 17:43:16 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:43:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <20080702234308.43AF0187674@autox.team.net> It's what I use - non-synthetic for break-in and synthetic thereafter. I still put some EOS in for good measure, though. I can even buy the non-synthetic version at Autozone and Farm & Fleet! - Tony Drews At 01:35 PM 7/2/2008, riverside wrote: >Amici, > >i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for >VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the >currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the >data sheet. >Any reason this oil should not be used? > >art de armond >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 21:06:00 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Forged Piston Message-ID: <907039CF-AD9D-4C08-AE53-C9315AC87E94@xsmail.com> Anyone have a picture of a GT6 forged piston they are using for competition? I'll be building a GT6 engine over the winter, and wanted to get an idea of length of the skirt a GT6 piston has vs. the TR6 pistons I've seen. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jul 2 21:16:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine parts for sale Message-ID: <114871.10004.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Today I went to my machine shop to pick up a block and crank they were doing for me. The owner was in the proces of cleaning out unclaimed jobs and offered to sell me all the Triumph and MG stuff that has been collecting dust. Only makes sense...he has $$$ in it and would like to reclaim some of his losses. I was feeling especially good, so I gave him his labor cost that he had in each item. Below are some of the things I got that I don't think I'll need. Sorry but I am keeping all the small journal 1300 stuff for myself. Spitfire 1500 crank, polished to standard size 1972 TR6 head, disassembled, vatted, crack checked. With all the valves and springs. Numerous and various Spitfire 1300 and 1500 heads in different stages; some disassembled and crack checked, others with completed valve jobs, some with work not started. I have not had time to check the casting numbers. If there are particular ones you would like let me know. If anyone is interested in any of this stuff you can contact me directly. Leftover stuff will find it's way to Ebay. I just couldn't let this stuff go to the scrap pile. To those interested...I have a set of new original Hepolite GT6 domed pistons in +.040 that I will be putting onto Ebay this weekend unless someone on the list needs them. From what I can tell they give 9.5/1 CR, and were used in the GT6 MkIII. Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'd prefer an FOT'er got any of this before Joe Ebayer. Thanks - Ed - From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 22:25:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any Know of a Bobsy Racer Message-ID: I've come across a pair of Bobsy rim; one is stamped Bobsy, the other is Bobsy styled, but no markings. Anyone know of someone who may be interested in these, please contact me off list. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 2 22:57:48 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:57:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD Message-ID: In 1997 I fitted a new MSD Digital 6, (they were out of MSD6ALs at the time) The unit is mounted on the supplied rubber bobbins. I have always used Magnecor Plug Wires, and NGK Plugs, (presently iridium) Originally, I had a new Lucas distributor, but it was already showing signs of distress at 12,000 miles and I replaced it with a Mallory dual-point, fitted with Pertronix from day one. Coil is an MSD Blaster 2 ? Perhaps I too am lucky, but I have never had any ignition problems with my set-up. Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 3 05:30:13 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Full Set Venolia Forged Pistons -TR-6 Message-ID: <008401c8dd00$28d4eac0$7a7ec040$@net> I have a new in the box set of 6 Venolia forged pistons complete with rings; pins and clips I seek a new home for. Before I put them on an auction site I wanted to open it to any FOT. These are in std size. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 3 09:56:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jul 3 10:07:25 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PEI soil is a bit different from the rest of Canada...its red. That will be very cool to have the TR6 against all that modern stuff...hope you show 'em whossier daddy. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Sent: July 3, 2008 11:57 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Championship On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:02:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45B280BD94-1360-B6E@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> What's with all the negative waves man?? (Donald Southerland, Kelly's Heroes). I've been fortunate to not have a failure, but I have heard of others that do.? Mine doesn't have a rev limiter, so I rely on my right foot as well.? I'd say that's reliable about 90% or the time.? Wilkins and Siam can check my math for me on that one... You going to make the Vegas race agian this year? Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:04:29 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:04:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45FCD76EEE-1360-B94@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Sorry everyone, just realized that I was responding to Henry Frye, not Henry Morrison.? All comments still apply except the Vegas question. Henry Morrison, if you're out there, you coming to Vegas this year? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jul 3 12:57:17 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >>> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 3 13:01:17 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:01:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2008 11:58:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. Au Contraire! (that's foreign talk ya know) Figure eight gaskets in ANY thickness are available from our own FOT Amigo Mordy Dunst at Gasket Works. Do a Google and he can solve all of your sealing issues. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:05:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:05:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 3 15:38:26 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002001c8dd55$20a7ddd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have been in contact with Kas and Glen Lund and upon re-checking and better measuring I think I have 0.0045 to 0.0060 with one "corner" on one sleeve at 0.007, if I believe the reading. Most readings are 0.004 and 0.005. I checked every 90 degrees on the top of the sleeve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'FOT' Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever feels and looks thinner at the time. Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned with lacquer thinner. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 3 18:02:33 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:02:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Good Evening May the force be with you. Interesting no one responded with any factual info on the real question It pretty easy to get well over 400 hp out of a Porsche 6, strip the 914 down to less than 1500 lbs, and setup a truly "go kart" handling.........I do not get the eight cylinder setup.... but then I still love driving my 1975 911s with it's own wavy back end Cary In a message dated 7/3/2008 2:06:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hottr6 at hotmail.com writes: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 20:30:56 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank scapers Message-ID: Amici, With all the discussion on TR4 crank scrapers, I see a TR6 variant at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200235513214 A teflon option is offered. Anyone know anything of these? Shane Ingate in NM PS Y'all have a wonderful and safe July 4! Happy Birthday, Yanks! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Jul 3 23:09:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of parts and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look out... tom From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 4 06:52:21 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered References: Message-ID: <000601c8ddd4$cd13a0c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Fantastic!! What great news to start the 4th of July. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered > on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of > parts > and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used > cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). > Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look > out... > > tom > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Jul 4 08:25:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:25:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seat status report Message-ID: <200807041425.m64EPRsb270779@ns3.geneseo.net> This message for all who have expressed interest in installing Miata seats in their street cars -- I installed Miata seats in my street TR6 two years ago. They were cheaper than rebuilding the stock seats, they transformed the comfort level of the car and they look good! However, the installation was difficult because of the difference in mounting to the floor. Because of the high level of interest on the Triumph lists, I will be offering a kit that makes the conversion really easy. The pre-production run is complete, parts are powder coated, and sample parts are on their way to two owners for trial installation. The kit will include adapter brackets and hardware necessary for the installation. Price for the kit will be $59.95. The kit should be available for sale in a couple of weeks. uncle jack From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 5 09:54:29 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine Message-ID: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. single cylinder monitoring etc ... I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to free. I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other thing I never use. (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings after 10:00 AM during the week. Good stuff needing a home... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 5 10:17:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine References: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c8deba$a654fc90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> This flies straight in the face of "he who dies with the most stuff wins". I may have to reevaluate my garage strategy. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine > Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? > This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... > scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. > single cylinder monitoring etc ... > I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. > You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be > somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to > free. > I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. > I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other > thing I never use. > (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) > For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. > 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings > after 10:00 AM during the week. > Good stuff needing a home... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 15:05:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:05:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers Message-ID: Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 5 15:50:28 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jul 5 16:05:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <001801c8deeb$4889cb50$0202a8c0@newcomputer> You can't buy advertising like that! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Jul 5 16:16:04 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <806765.48547.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So Justin, when are you going to offer a gasket for the TR2 to 4 range and for those of us with sidescreen cars who have the alloy valve cover? Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 5:50:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 16:27:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:27:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: Boy!!! He is really happy with you. Justified. I have three engines with your gasket installed. Joe > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jul 5 19:02:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liner protusion Message-ID: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks for all of input and individual help from a number of people. After following the correct procedure and re-measuring 4 different ways I have what I think to be 0.003 to 0.005 protrusion, should be good with a composite head gasket. Learned a lot. Thanks again to all who helped. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 5 19:18:18 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:18:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The most embarrassing race I've ever done References: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001001c8df06$3851ec70$6402a8c0@HOME> I've started 6th and came in 10th because lots of cars didn't finish. Wrong tire pressure was the cause. No corner I was able to get out full. http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4686367640133717637&hl=de The Sunday race was much better....I came up to 7th position and had a lot of fun. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Jul 6 18:17:04 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had to make minor "adjustments" with a file on all three of the cranks I have used. All three were short tail shaft cranks and used with the same I-J scraper and oil pan. Mike #28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 6 17:29:48 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:29:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 18:58:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Message-ID: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:38:37 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:50:19 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks like the attachment was blocked. I guess I don't know the rules on attachments. It is not possible or permitted with this distribution list? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael D. Hado Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM To: RACER BUD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:54:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:54:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location References: Message-ID: <000e01c8dfd4$69c4b8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Mike..Wonderful..A TR3 guy will be very happy soon Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Hado" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > Bud, > > See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The > screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are > small > enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. > > Mike Hado - Houston > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > > > Hi gang... > can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of > mounting > for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to > the > battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? > thanks > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 6 20:37:11 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jul 6 20:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001c8dfdc$512fb7a0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'll second that nomination. Andre has done a great job of restoring that car. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Jul 6 20:55:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080706.205525.4044.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I'll second another GT-6 owner/driver. Sounds to be headed for NASA. Bill GT-6+ On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 "Paul MacDonald" writes: > I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his > very > nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue > modifying > his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the > race > crowd, if not before. > > Here are a few words from Andre: > > > Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - > 2006. > I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing > the MK1 > to its ultimate potential. > > > I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped > GT6 or > Spitfire. > > > Bio on the GT6 > - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. > - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin > tails. > - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff > - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires > -Multipoint welded roll bar. > > May I have a second please? > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Free information on medical billing software from respected companies. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oiDnP3kI1C2QJt0mAgb9vpZ2Y0gngq1ajnQXYETUM4MFBHc/ From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 6 20:58:04 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080707025751.9D87918764B@autox.team.net> I'll second. Andre sounds like our kind of people... - Tony Drews At 09:37 PM 7/6/2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: >I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very >nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying >his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race >crowd, if not before. > >Here are a few words from Andre: > > >Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. >I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 >to its ultimate potential. > > >I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or >Spitfire. > > >Bio on the GT6 >- early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. >- Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. >- 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff >- 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires >-Multipoint welded roll bar. > >May I have a second please? > >Thanks > >Paul MacDonald > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Sun Jul 6 23:16:43 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c8dff0$a64da2b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> If this is the Andre with the powder blue GT6 I know from the GRM boards, I concur with the nomination. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Jul 7 06:44:58 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Message-ID: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Jul 7 07:31:41 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:31:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Andre R Message-ID: I also will second Andre, I know him, and he is perfect for FoT Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 7 07:46:15 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR4 gasket In-Reply-To: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B33@server.Triumph.local> Interesting post Don. One of Justin's light blue gaskets for the TR4 came with the spares stash I got with my race car. I tried it one weekend I was killing lots of mosquitoes from a valve cover gasket leak, the silicone gasket leaked worse than the cork ones! Your comment about the gaskets growing when hot makes me remember some sort of deal where Justin's early gaskets needed to be cured in some way. I don't remember the details. (Big surprise, huh?) So Justin, can you shed some light here? What do I need to do to make my blue gasket work? I've got a street TR4 I would like to use it on. FWIW, what I did on the race car was buy an alloy valve cover from Moss. It didn't even sit square on the head, so my machine shop had to square it up, then I had them cut a slot for an o-ring. So I have stupid money in that valve cover, but it goes on and off painlessly and never leaks. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: July 07, 2008 8:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Justin's TR6 gaskets > > I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it > glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. > Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it > feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend > to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes > into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. > Don From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 08:57:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Justin Wagner wrote: > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm I'm surprised that he didn't name his kids after you. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Mon Jul 7 10:17:32 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 9:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 11:48:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 igofaster at charter.net wrote: > there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate > Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a > Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! I think the T9 is a Ford tranny. As in Ford Sierra. > Pray for world peace, Amen. > Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:00:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car for rent in NE for Weekend of Watkins Glenn Grand Prix? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071100qdb2e4eel338944614dbe398e@mail.gmail.com> My wife and I will be attending the Vintage Grand Prix and Kastner Cup Triumph race in Watkins Glenn on Sept 7-9. We are flying in to somewhere in NY from Seattle. It would be really cool if we could rent a Triumph from some member for that time frame? Would insure it of course. Does anyone have a suggestion or a suitable car they might consider renting out to a TR6 street and race car owner who can only attend this event as a spectator? Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:02:36 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and I sure want to be with you all in the pits. -- Chuck Arnold From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Jul 7 14:14:00 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:14:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 4-7 Sept Message-ID: <07b301c8e06d$ff13e490$0201a8c0@Bevan> Guys I want to try and be there if I can - subject to wife's health and being able to get a US visa quickly. Your combined thoughts (off-list to avoid swamping it might be better?) regarding travel would be appreciated. 1. What is the closest international airport to the Glen? Currently I'm checking fares out of the UK from BHX, LGW and LHR to the various airports in New York state - i.e. JFK, NYC and La Guardia. If I do opt for a New York airport, is there anyone on the list travelling to the Glen from that general area from whom I could bum a lift? Happy to meet fuel costs if this will help. 2. If I can't get a lift, everyone's recommendations on the cheapest car rental firm would be appreciated. I want something small and cheap like a VW Golf/Rabbit. 3. What's the approximate driving time from New York to the Glen or from any other usable airport to the Glen? Looking forward to your thoughts Cheers, Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:29:06 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm glad you got this started:) If after Chuck procures his passes there are two that aren't going to be used that you (FOT) want to sell, Evelyn and I would like to be on the list. Look forward to seeing everybody. Marty Sukey > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn > > Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and > I sure want to be with you all in the pits. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:31:57 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team Sukey? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 15:02:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <070720082102.2798.487284540006315200000AEE2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: marty sukey > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. Irv From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jul 7 16:17:50 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Empty Trailer or Car Dolly Available Phoenix to Ann Arbor, Michigan Week of July 14th. Message-ID: <4872960E.9070909@charter.net> I'm moving my daughter from Michigan to Phoenix next week towing her car either with a tow dolly or on an open car trailer. I will be empty on the return trip. If anyone wants a car (small) towed back to Michigan from out west please contact me ASAP. Or if anyone would like to donate (or sell cheap) a nice rust free LBC to me I will give it a good home back in Michigan. Cost would be gas expense on return trip (negotiable). Please advise if you are interested Thanks Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer project three TR6's, TR250 and a Spit From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 7 19:03:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <1B506D8B.5794F019.00159EE9@cs.com> I plan to be there for a visit...i have an engine and transmission to finish for myself for THE GLEN and possibly the installation of a second one for THE GLEN, for someone else. That may divert my attentions. >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: marty sukey > >> Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team >> Sukey? > >I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. > >Irv >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Jul 7 20:08:45 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A80D8E49A6A43FAB93DDF1E05EC20F7@SohlPC> Marty, Linda and I will be there. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:19:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Message-ID: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:53:51 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 7 12:33:39 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: <4362ae390807071133m630d84e5xd7b5e6c13d64c4ad@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone. Glad to join. And yes, its a Ford T9 out of a Sierra. Not vintage legal I guess, but for the time being I'm enjoying it. A. From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:39:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: No reason to ask those guys, they wouldn't really know anyway. NGK is the plug any good motorcycle mechanic needed to know backwards and forwards. The next half step colder than BP6ES would be BP6EC, a full step colder is BP7ES. NGKs get colder the higher the number goes. E means 3/4 inch reach, H is half inch. B is the 14 MM (13/16) plug while D is the 12 MM (5/8). S is the hot end of the number range, C is the cold end. We always considered the C plug to be more of a racing plug, the design is different as well as being colder than the S. If you want the fine wire gold palladium version it's V, and it's the same heat range as the C plugs, so you'd want a BP6EV. Or you might go for the iridium center electrode which is I. P, by the way, means extended plug. I like the standard plugs a little better for most applications, so I'd go for a B6EC if I could find one. A lot of the plugs are not generally available, but motorcycle shops tend to have more access than parts stores. There are a lot more codes, NGK makes more specialized plugs than most manufacturers do (except Bosch). Their gold palladium plugs tend to be really good, you might want to try to find B6EV or BP6EV. Useless information cluttering up my head, like the decay chain for Uranium 238 (Thorium 234, Protactinium 234, Uranium 234, Thorium 230, Radium 226. Radon 222, Polonium 218, Lead 214, Bismuth 214, Polonium 214, Lead 210, Bismuth 210, Polonium 210, lead 205). But I have no idea where I put my keys. On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:53 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock > Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder > plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim hearn" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good >> performance from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high >> compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef >> which had >> a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 04:21:56 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 03:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589972.33956.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be there, but I'll be commuting. I have already blown my hotel budget for the year. Doug --- marty sukey wrote: > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti > next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with > Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 05:57:07 2008 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:57:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 debut Message-ID: <10307141.1215518228027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Amici: I don't expect to make a habit of it but add one more TR3 to this year's competitions list. The VSCCA Lime Rock event on the 5th of July saw this poor old Allard driver making his TR3 competitions debut. I drove the TR to the track, raced it in the rain and took it home safely again. Compared to the J2 Allard the TR seems a mite light on power but perhaps more controllable in the wet. After driving TR3s on the road for nearly forty years, I guess it was about time. best to all jimdonick From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 09:23:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need to "borrow" a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807080823s3a589f26o3a83be95cea5c34c@mail.gmail.com> For the PI metering unit: I broke the fitting that the return line screws into [over torqued it and broke the piece off inside the unit, but have gotten the broken piece out]. Does anyone have one I could get by Friday mail so I can install this weekend? I will get a replacment out of England to return to you. Thanks -- Chuck Arnold 2420 Westlake Ave N Seattle, Wa 98109 425-241-0457 From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 8 10:45:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FoT, At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. Thanks. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:56:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 12:06:11 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:06:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 12:07:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ambro 001 In-Reply-To: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <473048C7-17C7-47D7-90CC-AF281683CC7F@bnj.com> Since Peyote wasn't done in time, I raced the Ambro at the Pacific Northwest Historics last weekend. Didn't have time to do much to it before the race, and no time to familiarize myself. They put me in Group two which for this weekend is mostly sports racers. My best time for the weekend was 1:45 something, Peyote generally turns around 1:39-1:40. Not bad for the first time out. I developed an oil leak about two-thirds of the way through the feature race--a patch the modified oil filter adapter gave way. I got a meatball for smoking and pulled off the track into the infield immediately after seeing it to avoid oiling the track. In all, not a bad showing. The motor is weak, the car is probably 200 pounds heavier than Peyote, but it handles pretty well and has good brakes. It's very pretty--got lots of comments. I think I can get it up to Peyote level pretty easily. Here's a link to some shots Chuck Arnold took on the grid. http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/BillBabcockAndAmbro1AtFirstRace/photo#5219976110724929842 Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 8 13:24:42 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:24:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:44:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: In a message dated 07/08/2008 2:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time, rem9 at frontiernet.net writes: > I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike > Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique > individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be > missed. > Russ... I too knew Mike for many years and raced with him often at tracks out east. Great guy. Great attitude. He will be missed. Bill Dentinger ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:48:00 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:48:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm glad I met him. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 14:02:08 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:02:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <25460840.1215547328515.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken! Mike was very dear to me. One of the first TRiumph racers I met when our TR3 first went vintage racing. A very cool guy. I was aware that he was fighting cancer but tried to make a few VDCA races every year. Here is my favorite story: He'd taken to racing that darned 240Z instead of the GT6. I begged him to bring it back out, he belonged in it. He did. At the first race he'd run with it in a very long time I asked him how it was getting back in the GT6. "Just like sleeping with an old girlfriend"......classic! Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Russ Moore >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 8 14:49:30 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> Message-ID: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 8 15:49:38 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:49:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 headlight rims available Message-ID: Group, I have a 'mistaken order' on the shelf here, of a pair of TR-4 h-light rims still in their bag. What I 'really' need is one TR4-A rim. Figured I try you guys as a possibility. I have Moss #'s if needed. Thanks, Kevin 303 237-4248 klynch_6 at msn.com From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 8 16:13:04 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:13:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAF5EEDB38587-B98-40AE@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> I first met Mike back in the early-mid 70's when we both lived and autocrossed in Pittsburgh.? A great guy, he will be missed. Rich Rock From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 8 16:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: One thing about Wiseco pistons. If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. This is only for stock street engines. For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" clearance. So be careful. A word to melted pistons. Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve clearance. Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:03:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts Message-ID: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Jul 8 18:14:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 TR-6's for sale, Western MAssachusetts, S.VT Message-ID: <00a301c8e158$d25b9c90$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Don't email me with questions! These are in the local penny saver: -=-=-=- 1972 TR6 53,000 miles. Runs excellent. Very original. New shocks, springs, ignition. All hoses replaced, seals and gaskets in motor. extras. Appraised $11,000 413-684-2449 Dalton MA -=-=-=- 1974 TR6, maple convertible, tan top, newer interior, runs and looks great, no rust, 91k, classic British roadster, $6900. Wallingford VT 802-446-2267 -=-=-=- Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 18:27:04 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack Message-ID: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everybody, My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a better way to go than the stock rack? Thanks in advance, Mark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:49:31 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts Message-ID: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that Mark Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because they are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't tried calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers but they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't think the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. Thanks again, Tim From mdhado at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:52:33 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, you might try Automotive Racing Products at arp-bolts.com. They have hardened, parallel-ground washers in any size, with or without I.D. chamfers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:58:46 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002c01c8e15e$f1a97850$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Tim....ALL rod bolts/main bolts should be replaced every time..new bearings are inserted Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; "Ryan Murphy (work)" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that > Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because > they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't > tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers > but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't > think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 19:20:13 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:20:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts In-Reply-To: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <6D7B10BD-CD83-4529-95FB-5EBFCA0D8CF0@bnj.com> ARP can also supply head studs. I like the ones that are a little longer for the short corner bolts that often develop cracks in the block. You can drill and tap a couple more threads if you get a proper bottoming tap. On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I > have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I > can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" > that Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day > because they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but > haven't tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the > washers but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I > don't think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 8 20:01:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <2C4C00CF.43282F44.00159EE9@cs.com> that's two this year...with doc ceilley. from Boston. joe a >I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm >glad I met him. > > > >**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 8 20:51:05 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:51:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <48742799.6090908@bradakis.com> On a somewhat related side note, I pulled the head off a TR6 recently that came into the shop needing some work. Oddly enough, each and every head nut was installed upside down. I would assume that if whoever worked on it last just wasn't paying attention, some would be correct and some would be upside down, in a random pattern. But having them ALL be incorrect struck me as a bit odd. mjb. From jibjib at att.net Tue Jul 8 21:08:56 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <017501c8e171$21342a40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Tim, Ken G. has hardened washers, as well as double height nuts for heads, so the loading on each thread is lessened. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 21:22:09 2008 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil and zinc Message-ID: I just got a sale flyer from Goodson Tool and Machine(1-800-533-8010). They have a break in lube that contains zink. It is $21.99 and the part number is EOT=16. Thought this may be of interest. Lorne Fritz _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 8 21:31:00 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709034255.HMMT29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> FOT List member Bill Close makes a really trick rack. Maybe he will chime in At 05:27 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >better way to go than the stock rack? > >Thanks in advance, >Mark >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:18:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to cool a plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained high revving. -----Original Message----- From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM To: jim hearn Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Jim- The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new stock # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't recover & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell to my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. Fred Hodgson _____ > From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:31:47 2008 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for five years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss quick ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so familiar with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i got it . old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i didnt do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle 144.3 last weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. jeff quick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > Hi Everybody, > > My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a > steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a > better way to go than the stock rack? > > Thanks in advance, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:57:03 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: It would probably be fine. On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 PM, jim hearn wrote: > Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to > cool a > plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained > high > revving. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM > To: jim hearn > Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > Jim- > > The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new > stock > # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. > NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all > impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't > recover > & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a > stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high > enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying > the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, > non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell > to > my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. > > Fred Hodgson > > > > > _____ > > >> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 >> >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance > from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high > compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:58:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: That's a pretty good time at Pacific Raceway On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:31 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for > five > years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss > quick > ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so > familiar > with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i > got it . > old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i > didnt > do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle > 144.3 last > weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. > jeff quick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Vaden" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >> steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >> better way to go than the stock rack? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 9 00:07:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Holes in the center of a piston are from PRE- IGNITION, cracks along the side and broken rings and damage on the edge of the piston is from detonation. Detonation will generally be the most evident at the exhaust valve side of the piston. Pre-ignition can be caused by too lean mixture, to hot of spark plugs or sharp edges in the combustion chamber. (head gasket intruding into the combustion chamber) and other stuff like an air leak at the inlet manifold. Detonation is generally caused by too much spark advance, lean mixture, poor quality gasoline. -------------------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:27 PM To: ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > One thing about Wiseco pistons. > If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. > This is only for stock street engines. > For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" > clearance. > So be careful. > > A word to melted pistons. > Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. > Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve > clearance. > Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 > An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. > > Steve B > ------Original Message------ > From: Bill Babcock > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air > leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. > Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy > to tell. > > I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I > think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through > cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into > the bottom end. > On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > >> FoT, >> At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on >> my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as >> replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago >> and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. >> Thanks. >> Ron Jacobs >> Western Eagle Racing >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 9 05:59:29 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:59:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAFD260913E28-2C8-4A7@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> This is a real bummer, he was a good guy. Richard said it well, Mike was the epitome of a Vintage Racer... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: 'Russ Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 9 09:08:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: AUTOBAHN Message-ID: <200807091509.m69F95Xg352014@ns3.geneseo.net> >Jack, > >There was a question about the test day at Autobahn. The note from Phil Cull >below says "yes" and gives the details. We expect over 100 race cars at the >event. > >Please pass this on, I am on the road...........Wismer > > > >************************************************************************* > >Bob: > >Yes it is very much on. > >It is a Autobahn function with mentoring from Tom Bagley. > >$150/day or $100 = day (PM). > >Phil; From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 9 09:31:20 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:31:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] hardened washers Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and > the > rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he > makes > sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head > which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but > they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and > they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still > got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the > rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground > washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing > the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and > maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new > at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the > size > needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who > would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jul 9 09:42:15 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74C8944D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Summit Racing sells these as a distributor, at somewhat lower prices than buying from ARP directly. Two days regular shipping to Appleton, probably the same to Fond du Lac. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan.Murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts > and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on > fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, > especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the > washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and > obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain > washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and > they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering > if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good > hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's > tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. > This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using > these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in > the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with > a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.w ebshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 9 10:25:49 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers References: Message-ID: <04bd01c8e1e0$7400c2f0$b0660143@your55e5f9e3d2> Caterpillar has some hardened washers and sell in slmall quantity at the local dealer. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers > In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> To: "'FOT'" >> Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" >> >> >> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts >> and >> the >> rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he >> makes >> sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder >> head >> which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss >> but >> they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file >> and >> they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, >> almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they >> still >> got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of >> the >> rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and >> ground >> washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending >> causing >> the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed >> and >> maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty >> new >> at this and still have a lot to learn. >> >> Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the >> size >> needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier >> who >> would sell just 20 or so. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 > > Tim, > > ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need > measurements when ordering, including thickness. > > Also get their catalogs. > > Leon > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 6:33 AM From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jul 9 11:36:53 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <16255821.1215625013984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We just happen to be in Atlanta this week to visit family. Ive found out that his memorial wake will be at 2:00 tomorrow at St John Neuman. Kathy and I will attend and offer our condolences to Claire from our group. Mike Munson # 28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 4:49 PM >To: 'Russ Moore' , fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost > >If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character >is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or >two. > >Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. > >Richard Taylor > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Russ Moore >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 11:49:37 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:49:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Message-ID: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob From vanlake at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 11:52:27 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:52:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spark plug gaps Message-ID: <070920081752.19390.4874FADB0004C4B100004BBE22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Since we are on the subject of spark plugs, what plug gap do you recommend when using the BP7ES in the TR6 race motor w/MSD units? From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 15:46:59 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Message-ID: <000001c8e20d$51383730$f3a8a590$@racer@comcast.net> Nice photo of Joe Alexander's AMBRO project car which appears in the current issue (Sept.) of Classic Motorsports magazine. This one was taken a few months back at WyoTech in Wyoming where some of their students have performed work on the car. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 9 18:55:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened and Ground Washers Message-ID: <001c01c8e227$b5908b50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied, especially the info that Summit Racing has the ARP Chromemoly washers at a good price and quick delivery to my area. I ordered them today from Summit and also a catalog from ARP. Thanks again for the great response. Tim From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 9 21:30:33 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 9 22:47:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080710044745.FFCR7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? I've got an old test report for the TR2 that gives drag at 10 mph as 29 lb; and at 60 mph as 112 lb. Should be able to calculate CdA (drag coefficient times frontal area) from that (making a few assumptions like both the Cd and drag due to other factors remaining constant), but I'm too lazy to work out the math. BTW, any idea if the numbers you linked to are with top up or down ? Randall From jibjib at att.net Wed Jul 9 23:26:40 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020c01c8e24d$892d5db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 10 07:41:05 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 07:45:34 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:45:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: > Ken, > > It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far > too high. > Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:41:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > >> Ken, >> >> It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . >> it's far >> too high. >> > > Jack (Ken)... > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Wed Jul 9 17:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Why would it be any higher than a TR4? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs >> > > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:57:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8930BDF8-AC84-475A-87F2-BFD8FD869443@bnj.com> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aeorodynamic, modern" triumph On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Why would it be any higher than a TR4? > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected > Triumphs > > >>>> >>> Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 09:07:17 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 09:11:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:11:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. Bill Dentinger ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 09:18:46 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:18:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Message-ID: Lack of fuel? More pump pressure - larger float valve - larger connection between float chamber and jet? Hope this helps? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 17:07 An: dale oesterle Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] spitfire woes Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 10 10:24:38 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <00b701c8e2a9$7324ef90$0302a8c0@Charly> I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like shape. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph >> > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all > 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had > a heavy > design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its > release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. > > The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jul 10 10:40:54 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:40:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2008 9:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected Triumphs > To: , , > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic > designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, > the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the > TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like > shape. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Red Triumph Vitesse = flying brick. No comment on the CD, but as it somehow gets all the way up to 120mph before the front starts to lift, (dangerously), I class that as nothing short of a miracle, (or power to weight ratio), but then again NASA says bees can't fly! If I'd been interested in CD then I'd have bought that Lotus Elan instead! L http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 11:09:04 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Message-ID: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. http://www.formula1.com/ Very cool, even without the video. Cheers, Bill Sohl From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:18:21 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> it was on Fox out here..norcal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points > lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off > at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it > anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. > The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I > ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 11:29:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:29:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 11:31:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:31:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: I watch F1 but my hard goes with sports car races. But I have an onboard of where my next race takes place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yZl2JWoRU -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 19:29 An: Bill Sohl; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:47:53 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a problem a friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of the hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed just like a check valve. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dale oesterle Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jul 10 11:44:29 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <002401c8e2b4$9a8865c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> I was there in the rain at the Silverstone Racing Club's .... watching them all come through Brooklands, round Luffield and Club ..... where Massa spun a few times (and Webber) .... Hamilton was peerless .... twitchy in the big puddles, but only one little off that I saw ...... whatever he has got is very special. Ive seen little better. Shame about Coulthard ..... I had my Saltire flying for a fellow Scot, but it just wasnt his day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Bill Sohl" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > it was on Fox out here..norcal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sohl" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > >> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the >> points >> lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off >> at 46. >> >> I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it >> anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. >> The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I >> ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. >> >> http://www.formula1.com/ >> >> Very cool, even without the video. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill Sohl >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 10 17:33:44 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Seero - Steve_McQueen - Bullitt Chase Scene on video and Google Maps--Cool Message-ID: <20080710234149.EMAB28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Very cool. Watch the chase on the left side of the screen and follow it via GPS on a Google Map on the right side. >http://www.seero.com/video/Steve_McQueen_3 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jul 10 19:51:19 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:51:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <20080710.215119.23369.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> I had a similar problem at 6000 rpm on my TR3. I had to soft mount the carbs on the manifolds. I used a Weber soft mount kit and adapted it to my TR manifold. The Weber one is basically an aluminum plate with a 1/2 O-ring on each side. The carb mounting nuts also have a thick rubbery washer between them and the carb body, so that there is some play there. Just get it tight enough to seal, but not so tight that it is all solid. Come to think of it I had a similar issue with my Spitfire, but I never had it on a dyno and did not know better. I just made the jetting real rich and it worked, but tended to foul plugs when going slow. Joe(B) -- dale oesterle wrote: Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/JKFkuJO6pj12kQRWVyRJZm5qW8fgIT m4mxDkcTIBNMsu4D6pibHbWy/ From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jul 10 17:20:29 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> What is your Fuel Pressure??? John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "dale oesterle" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis > dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the > fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any > ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=53A61741F9.579AF From srcypher at mac.com Thu Jul 10 20:04:36 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <3944492F-5E07-421D-97A6-7BE66BC1A4EF@mac.com> Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a dyno... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 15:59:49 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:59:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Sump Message-ID: <000d01c8e2d8$476fed30$6402a8c0@HOME> As you sometimes are refering about crank scrapers and sump bevels....did one ever test them? This is how to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc& Cheers Chris From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 20:45:57 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:45:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <071120080245.16051.4876C9650003505600003EB322120207840A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> I've seen valve float on the dyno. Looks pretty much like what you descibe Dayle. Pulls well until it hits a magic number, then all hell breaks loose. Easy to check. Pull a couple valve springs and check them...if you are a place with a chassis dyno, there should be a valve spring checker near by. Back to back with a new set found about 40 lb difference. Also, beware that I've found Isky has quit selling the good spring sets for the Spits. We are trying to find a suitable alternative, but haven't come up with anything yet. aaron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a > dyno... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > _______________________________________________ From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 10 21:18:06 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c8e304$bde95920$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Bill, Nope, I missed adding the . Sorry. I've always felt the 3 was an aerodynamic nightmare, but in reality, it may be better than the 4-6's. It would be interesting to get a side by side comparison. I've even more sorry I missed the weekend at Pacific Raceways. Things got crazy here and I didn't realize it was "that weekend" until Sunday night. Grrrr. Yeah, I know it's the 4th, but I just didn't "get it". Sorry for the confusion. Jack _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: jibjib at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:46:10 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:46:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: The FOX-carried F1 races run on a fox affiliate on Sunday and speedvision on wednesday. I avoided F1 news until wednesday because I haven't figured out how to get the FOX show tivo'ed. It was a great race, well worth digging up to watch it. If you're a race fan and don't have Tivo you're nutz. Really, you've got to see this race. Hamilton's driving was superb, amazing, inspired. I've driven high performance race cars in the rain a lot (in Portland you learn to race in the rain or you don't race) and I have NO idea how he does it. The camera coverage was amazing-- every spin and screw up had at least four or five camera angles. Masa was spinning everywhere, his car was clearly not set up properly--he's usually very good in the wet. Kimi drove a great race, so did Kovalinen. Rubens Bariccello came from a Q1 qualifying position to finish third. Drove the wheels off that crappy honda, but was also greatly aided by the right tire strategy--full wets while everyone else was trying to use a drying track to get away with inters. Some laps he was SEVEN SECONDS faster than P1. Even Kimi--the king of catching a sliding car, did a spin. Heidfeld finally drove a good solid race for second. Excellent, excellent race. Diane was yelling and screaming so much I had to replay everything twice just to hear what was going on. She's become quite an F1 fan. Only sporting event she'll watch, but she's super hooked. She even watches most practices and never misses qualifying. F1 has become a pretty big Sunday morning deal at Casa Babcock. Champagne, strawberries and omelets, good Kona coffee. These fox races are a pain in the neck. I think I have it set for the German GP, but we'll see. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Bill Sohl wrote: > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the > points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 > points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find > it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried > by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or > fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via > Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:05:15 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <756DB0E6-1555-4802-BFA3-6121EEB78572@bnj.com> Oooh. That's nasty. I bet that drove him nutz. I had an overtemp problem with Peyote for awhile that turned out to be the intake hose sucking flat. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a > problem a > friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of > the > hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed > just > like a check valve. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of dale oesterle > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > > > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno > and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/ > air goes > to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale > Oesterle _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 22:14:11 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Message-ID: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:33:33 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 22:46:11 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c8e311$0b2d0c70$0202a8c0@newcomputer> 178 mph, NOT TOO BAD FOR A Chevy! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Jul 11 05:40:30 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:40:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8e34a$eca090d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> We watch Top Gear on the BBC America channel of Direct TV. Funny stuff. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:34 AM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26- 4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 06:38:11 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002f01c8e352$fbb9f270$0200a8c0@Desktop> Because Top Gear is good at it and not owned by NASCAR/Toyota ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Gary Horstkorta" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! > My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't > Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and > very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van > around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real > car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE > > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > >> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed >> around >> the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, >> have a >> look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds >> ranging from >> 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri >> ng-attack/ >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 11 09:31:26 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rob Stewart please contact me Message-ID: <005201c8e36b$2eab8e60$8c02ab20$@net> Sorry to bomb the list but I don't have Rob's current e-mail. Russ Moore From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 09:55:21 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri Jul 11 10:27:52 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films Message-ID: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> http://www.pirellifilm.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 11:08:39 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <610802.80453.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I should have mentioned that two of the road tests also presented data for the TR2 in "Speed Trim". The drag coefficient was reduced about 10%, but the frontal area was also reduced to 12.15 sq ft, so the overall drag was reduced a total of 30%. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Young To: Ken Gano palm top ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:55:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 11 11:12:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Unfortunately, the numbers were > not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 > with > 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is > 15.5 sq ft. Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably add another 0.1. > The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 > would > be a good number. Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were supplied. > I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Sure, I'd like a copy. Thanks, Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 11 18:14:01 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films In-Reply-To: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03 .cox.net> References: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <20080712001351.BBF22187648@autox.team.net> Wow. I LOVE Uma Thurmann. I'm pretty sure she digs me too. :) - Tony At 11:27 AM 7/11/2008, David W. Riddle wrote: >http://www.pirellifilm.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 19:12:14 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale Message-ID: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct with him. Nothing in it for me. Dean T, TR3A58 at verizon.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 11 22:37:59 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for transmission cross shaft Message-ID: <000001c8e3d9$10113270$6401a8c0@blake1> I need a replacement Clutch Cross Shaft for my TR6 transmission along with a release fork. If anyone has measurements for the shaft, I think I could make it easily enough. Does anyone have a spare release fork they can part with? Thanks, Greg From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 17:46:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:46:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale References: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002701c8e3b0$4762b6a0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Does anyone know of other commonly available diffs with limited slip that can be used in solid axle TR rears? i.e. 28 SPLINE 8.8 POSI LIMITED SLIP FORD RACING 4.10 GEARS commonly found on ebay for about $300. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale > A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale > complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used > briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street > car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal > at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if > interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct > with him. Nothing in it for me. > > Dean T, > TR3A58 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 16:20:08 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Greg Message-ID: <615571.60942.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Excuse me, but Greenman - off the list please. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 13 16:21:47 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:21:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the wet so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are causing quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is a check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in the case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. What do you folks do? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 16:56:47 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:56:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <000401c8e53b$baf72790$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Hi Marty One way valve .... I have one on my ally tank in the TR4 and it stops this on the rally stages and tests ATL supply a good one, so do EarlParts and Goodrich. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 16:59:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:59:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 17:04:41 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:04:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <000b01c8e53c$d50dd0b0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Oh .... and a U bend in the vent line ..... rest as Bid says .... Ill send you a pic if that helps, but I have a 60 litre tank on board so comparisons will stop there .... ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "marty sukey" ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the > level > of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where > the > original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as > possible > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marty sukey" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the >> wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is >> a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in >> the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. >> What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:05:24 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:05:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:03:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud Run it up as high as possible as Bud advises but add a loop as an air trap. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 13 17:08:28 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <001c01c8e53d$5d5582b0$6401a8c0@S1099895562> Had the same issue here. Vent hose runs from top of fuel cell to a bulkhead fitting through the trunk floor. First time I used it there were getting panicked calls from corners that I was dumping fuel. (jeez, people, it evaporates quickly.) One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:09:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:09:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:08:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. Clever! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:31:08 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: route it up high and put an air filter on it. On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in > the wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. > There is a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of > business in the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard > corners. What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:35:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as high as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will generally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. On Jul 13, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > route it up high and put an air filter on it. > On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in >> the wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. >> There is a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of >> business in the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard >> corners. What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 14 08:40:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:40:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Seat Conversion Kit-Miata Seats Uncle Jack Message-ID: List NFI: I just got word that Uncle Jack just placed an order from my son for 25 kits...this was after two successful trial installations to prove the concept. I suspect that these first 25 kits will not last long. You might contact Uncle Jack and get your name in the que so that he may place an order for a second production run. Made on production tooling and powder coated....nicely done and with instructions. Contact Uncle Jack at vinttr4 at geneseo.net He will be around most of the week and then we are off to Road America. Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 10:16:55 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:16:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as h igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will gener ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. >> I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. When people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were referring to th e rubber flapper in the fill pipe. During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I didn't have a vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the fuel to keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to work. Maybe the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come in off of the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my calibrated dipstick. I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any suggestions ? ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 14 11:27:08 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:27:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PCV valve - $1.99 anywhere. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because > it will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged > off. When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow > the fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I > come in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 12:05:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:05:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally the vent connector for the fuel cell has a check valve in it. That's true in all the ATL cells I've used or seen. On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it > will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. > When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the > fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come > in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Billbab at gmail.com www.kenalu.com www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 12:15:37 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:15:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/08 8:12:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: << The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy de sign influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its releas e. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. >> My son raced his blue TR-7 in ITB this weekend. It looks a little like a lengthily cigar. It did have a heavy design influence at 2400 plus pounds. It doesn't accelerate very well, especially with his 260 pounds in it. ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 13:09:57 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Marty, Some folk suggested terminating the vent line with a air filter. Expensive. Use a gas filter. Cheaper and does a better job. Shane Ingate in dusty NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From rikrock at aol.com Mon Jul 14 16:22:06 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Torque Plate? Message-ID: <8CAB4172F0C78F1-1430-2B3F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Anyone have one they would be willing to rent or sell? Thanks! Rich Rock Pottstown, PA 610-804-9047 (cell) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 07:58:40 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, This is NOT my car. There's a GT3 TR6 for sale on the NER web site. The car is owned by a guy named Tony Martin and the price is pretty cheap (the advert lists $8500 OBO). I haven't seen the car race for a while, but this used to be a wicked fast car and may still own a couple of track records on tracks in the northeast. At any rate, got to: www.ner.org and then follow the links to "classifieds" to see the advert. It appears that Tony might be in some hurry to sell the car, hence the low price. He had been asking as much as $12.5k in the recent past. I'm sure there are updates that could be done to the car to make it better (last I knew he was running stock TR6 hubs, but that was a LONG time ago). And the car could likely be "downgraded" to run EP in SCCA. It'd take a tonne to get the car vintage legal, but it's probably do-able. I have no financial interest in this, just putting it "out there" because I am semi-familiar with the car. regards, rml NER is New England Region SCCA. The car is in Dartmouth, MA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 08:44:53 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. BTW, the numbers that are posted on the Mayfield site come from a DOS program called CarTest. There is no telling how reliable those numbers are. I've attached a copy of the spreadsheet and realize it will not go through to the FoT list. Randall wrote: >> Unfortunately, the numbers were >> not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 >> with >> 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is >> 15.5 sq ft. >> > > Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably > add another 0.1. > > >> The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 >> would >> be a good number. >> > > Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. > Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall > drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were > supplied. > > >> I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. >> > > Sure, I'd like a copy. > > Thanks, > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:43:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, A few folks reported that they couldn't find the link to the classifieds, so if you want to peek at the GT3 TR6 advert, try this: http://www.ner.org/forums/index.php/topic,56.0.html rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:57:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 f/s Message-ID: Here's the text from the ad... Very competitive regional race car . Fresh motor, car has been inside garage stored for its entire race history. Must sell $8500.00 OBO. Call or E mail for additional specs.Tony Martin 508-997-7291 pitstop851 at verizon.net The car was listed on www.race-cars.com a while back for more $$$$ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Jul 15 11:08:37 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller radiator opening. That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold my 2). Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Randall ; Ken Gano, home ; jibjib at att.net Cc: FOT Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 11:58:22 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> The TR3 test was for a small mouth. All of these early road tests seem to have used a 3.7 rearend. Based on the graphs in the articles, 3.7 OD was perfect for the Jabekke runs (max power at max speed). In stock trim, it looks like a 4.1 rear would have been better. In fact, I thought many/most of the early OD cars were sold with a 4.1 rear. With the 3.7, 4th OD was too high and 4th was too low. A 4.1 in OD might have cracked 110mph. You'd think Triumph would have capitalized on this. Larry Young Terry Stetler wrote: > I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller > radiator opening. > > That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold > my 2). > > Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 15 12:16:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. Randall From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Jul 14 21:20:56 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:20:56 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004601c8e629$cc42da00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> How is this Cd measurement taken? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. > > Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't > seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic > difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Jul 15 20:59:48 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length Message-ID: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and I don't..... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 16 10:14:09 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is it. Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 10:30:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: Message-ID: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 rather than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas changed. Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with the 2.5 liter engine. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > > If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is > it. > > Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > ly_safety_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:19:09 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were going to be lose a radiator. I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in the horsepower race. One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > rather > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > changed. > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > the 2.5 liter engine. > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 >> >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > is >> it. >> >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >> > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami >> ly_safety_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:21:44 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:21:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Kas, That is good information and not unexpected as far as the revs go. I have a small bearig 1296 Spit engine that shares a lot of attributes with that 2.0 liter engine and using your preparation guide as a resource I have it beefed up, and with the electronic Fuel injection I built, I have has it up to 8000 rpm for short intervals and so far it is holding together just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine > (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and > rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up > of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of > this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the > little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that > series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were > going to be lose a radiator. > > I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the > stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that > there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in > truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in > the horsepower race. > > One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to > visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments > holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the > revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. > He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) > he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the > ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > > rather > > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > > changed. > > > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > > the 2.5 liter engine. > > > > Joe C. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shane Ingate" > > To: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > >> > >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > > is > >> it. > >> > >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > >> > > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > >> ly_safety_072008 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:28:50 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:28:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length In-Reply-To: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> References: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, I just went thru this on a TR4 - I assume your dealing with a Spit, so my #s won't help you. But... contact your cam manufacturer for the specs. For the TR they were 100lbs at 1.625" installed height. They didn't give a spec for rate so I didn't worry about it. However, the very cool, computerized, "spring dyno" I used, calculated the actual rate at about a 293 average for all 8 [sounds like a very nice number but actually means nothing to me!]. To measure, you need to mic. the retainer thickness [in my case . 135"] and add that to the installed height. The total will be the number you're looking for and at that [installed] height you want the spec number given. Mine were a bit stronger than spec at 109lb avg. but within my comfort zone. Measuring the [actual] installed height is the tedious part. It is hard to get any measuring device in where you need it, so make yourself a gauge. I took a piece of straight, stiff wire and cut it to 1.625". The idea is to measure between the spring landing at the head and the landing step for the outer spring on the retainer. One method [easiest] is to install the valve, retainer and keepers but no springs and pull to full extension and measure - I found it much more accurate and only a bit more time consuming to assemble each valve using only the inner spring. Now stick your gauge between the spring landings and use feeler gauges to figure the gap - this number will be the height of any shims you may [probably] need. Remember that no two valves are likely to be the same. How much each valve and seat has been ground dictates the height. This is just my way of doing it. I'm sure others have different [easier?] ways. Hope it's of some help. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the > spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a > torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length > (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and > I don't..... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:42:15 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 Message-ID: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> FYI to FoT, Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that they will get to the bottom of it. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 13:22:20 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 References: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011f01c8e779$44d68e30$0200a8c0@Desktop> Greg Sound like this guy Ken is good people and will stay after until he gets it right....it feels good when you guys that Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 > FYI to FoT, > Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. > While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came > from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the > impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that > they will get to the bottom of it. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 03:56:16 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:56:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170256w76a7558v2f09e3c09c5c2b79@mail.gmail.com> Love my 2.0, but have not tried it beyond 6K. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 06:32:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170532t195adc15x9e38f842e98ece33@mail.gmail.com> I love my 2.0, but have not taken it above 6K :) A. From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 07:14:05 2008 From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Message-ID: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 07:34:33 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 09:38:54 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Test Post Message-ID: <4362ae390807170838v16dc8701t3df7d70f510e581d@mail.gmail.com> Just seeing if I can post. Cheers. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 10:24:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 10:33:49 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 10:50:12 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:18:38 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c8e839$88c60d80$9a522880$@net> Not to worry, the Speke built cars are not well known for their longevity.................... Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Stetler Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:34 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 12:26:48 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:26:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <8CAB651CF0B7C04-9B4-210@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) ==AM== You are correct; it can't be a 1961 and almost definitely is a 1963! (Technically, the displacement should be 1147cc, not 1300cc, but that's another story, I suppose....) I always get a bit of a kick out of folks who claim their US - spec. early Spitfire 4 is a 1962 model...especially since the cars weren't even introduced to the US press until January 1963! ;-) --Andy Mace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:32:06 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 12:58:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... > Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John > Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is > up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list > Racer Bud > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at dcphotos.com Thu Jul 17 13:15:04 2008 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:15:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 13:17:57 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:17:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003d01c8e841$d2bf2680$783d7380$@aero> I know what you mean; my '79' Spitfire is really a "78" (vertical radiator). I understand BL dealers often titled cars in the year they were sold and believe this is one of them. I was at the local tax office this week, getting antique plates issued (no annual inspection!) and asked to have it corrected. The commission number is also incorrect on the title. The answer from the very nice lady was that it was going to cost me $60+ to change a typo. Never mind. As for the Monterey List; How can you "backdate" a car two years earlier into a model year that did not exist? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:58 PM To: Russ Moore; 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 13:41:34 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801c8e845$20786e10$61694a30$@net> ......1147cc actually with a FC prefix engine. Most vintage groups don't raise a serious stink whether an early (round tail)car has the FC 1147; the FD or FE small crank 1296 or the FK large crank 1296 as long as the engine size is represented properly when entering an event. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Couch Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 15:41:29 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry Database http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 for sure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 15:50:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:50:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <009801c8e857$2f497080$2d02a8c0@Belkin> According to the BMIHT 1573 was the first Spitfire made in 1963. So anything earlier than that would of course be a 1962. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: "'Russ Moore'" ; "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry > Database > > http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm > > the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 > for sure. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Russ Moore > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM > To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE > BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The > entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 17 16:02:30 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 16:21:33 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:21:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be around. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Brooks To: fubog1 at aol.com ; bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 16:28:02 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <4944FC7F-FC59-468F-B89B-9211E9AE5A46@bnj.com> Anyone that has seen Kas' TR250K knows what the TR7 should have looked like. We'd ALL want one of those. It's the only car in the Hart collection that I've begged for, and there were plenty of cool cars in that collection. On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be > around. > > Terry > -- > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 17:21:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:21:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: I'm selling a bunch of TR3 transmissions and other parts on ebay. If anyone needs anything TR3-ish you might drop me a line, I'm cleaning the shop. I have too many TR3 transmissions, a couple of complete rear ends (new brakes and bearings) and boxes of dusty parts. I need to make room to work. I also have an overdrive case and various plates, springs, hubs and parts. I confess I don't know anything about overdrives From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:39:28 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen Message-ID: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing something, but I like to very well informed. I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or should I aim for other locations. Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:54:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <53435E5D-77F7-4567-8828-EEE193AC0CFE@gt6.ca> They showed $50 for the camping off the Glen track site. A. On 17-Jul-08, at 8:51 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There is a KOA close to the glen, but as I recall, the tent camping > in the unrestricted areas is free or cheap right at the track. I'm > sure others can tell you more, but lots of people camp at the track, > and I don't think they were collecting anything but entry fees. > On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to >> do >> the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... >> >> Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing >> something, but I like to very well informed. >> >> I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or >> should I aim for other locations. >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 19:10:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:10:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <017201c8e873$11a57bc0$0302a8c0@Bud> what a life you guys have..that must be a beautiful place to camp! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 19:17:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16801CC5-2B64-419F-A6F2-10AA6309006A@gt6.ca> That would be fun. Even if I pay the fee, its all part of the experience. I'm going to wait to hear from a few more of my Ottawa friends. I'm kinda hoping to piggy back on them for food. One less thing to try and pack into the GT6. I mean all that Canadian Beer takes space eh. PS http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08raw/nikon/slides/DSCN3664.html On 17-Jul-08, at 9:11 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I will be camping at the Glen....in the Paddock. I expect some tents > to be erected near me in the Triumph Area of the Paddock. I cant > say for sure, but I think this will be OK. Sure OK with me. > > I am not anticipating a charge for this, but dont know. It's been > quite awhile since I have been there and things have changed. > > Joe Alexander -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 20:28:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, called Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, just over the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can make this up?) WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner worker. And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 20:34:27 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Bill. How's the weather around that time of year. A. Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 17-Jul-08, at 10:28 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, > called > Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, > just over > the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can > make > this up?) > WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers > available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner > worker. > And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. > Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 17 20:37:17 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3A help needed Message-ID: <631972.29759.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HELP!!!! I have a customer with a couple of TR3A things I dont have for him ... any help??? 1). He has a squeek in his steering column that he cant find... any usual (or unusual) spots to look???? 2). We need a fuel gauge for the same car. This is a restored car, but a street driver, not a show car so aftermarket may be okay if it looks the same.. Anyone have one they want to part with, and price? Thanks in advance, Tom From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 21:39:47 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:39:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 Message-ID: The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 07:46:25 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 References: Message-ID: <003801c8e8dc$ac00ec90$0302a8c0@Bud> That was a red one?..That's the only one I've seen there Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From d.hesse at charter.net Fri Jul 18 08:58:49 2008 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 7:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 18 11:19:23 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most Triumph addicted :). In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, d.hesse at charter.net writes: This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 13:21:12 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm, probably a good frame or two in the batch to replace my pretzel:) Marty > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 -0400> To: d.hesse at charter.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6> > Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most > Triumph addicted :). > > In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > d.hesse at charter.net writes:> > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports> Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group.> > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550> /attach/July%202008.pdf> > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6> Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods,> and other body> parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames> plus bolt on fenders> to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames.> Engines are rusted> and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru> Roadster Factory> and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some> starters, generator> cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for> vintage vehicles and> cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There> are no> guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would> like to pass on> automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence.> Stored 7 miles off> I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309)> 292-2795.> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:05 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> Message-ID: <20080718172205.0P74M.14418.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:43 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718172243.NH2X6.14431.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Jul 18 17:16:00 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Rob, I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was hoping to send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the files are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 19:55:22 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap Message-ID: A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jul 18 20:00:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:00:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's item! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.team.net/archive From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:01:49 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: Message-ID: <000701c8e943$68a7b0c0$0302a8c0@Bud> How about lap times before ..and..after the Beer? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "6 Digest" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "FOT" ; "TriumphList" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap >A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:07:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:07:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <001f01c8e944$4404eac0$0302a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..boy do you guys have fun,,,In Central/Northern Ca,.it's almost like Triumph race cars never existed...Maybe the Coast is now in 'Idaho' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'marty sukey'" ; "'6 Digest'" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "'FOT'" ; "'TriumphList'" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's > item! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > marty > sukey > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM > To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList > Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > > A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 21:23:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it for you. On Jul 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Keith Files wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was > hoping to > send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the > files > are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. > > Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? > > Cheers, Keith. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc > > Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and > burning > a > CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well > as > posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player > thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 18 22:02:26 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats Message-ID: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> There was a thread a while back about Miata seats fitting into TR's narrow seatwells. I mentioned this to my buddy Loren Ziglin and he said he still has the two original seats he took out of his Spec Miata taking up room in the basement (near Madison WI). If anyone's in need they could drop him a line at lorenz at firstweber.com. NFA, don't know if he's thought of an asking price but the car was perfect and he's a totally straight shooter. At least except for giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero maintenance until I throw sockets at him. Gary Schneider From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 08:43:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 7:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA classification book show me E production... I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... Is this guy pulling my leg or what? Would like to confirm by the FoT.... Kindest regards, Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 20 09:04:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much difference anymore... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 20 09:33:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002801c8ea7d$fd602f90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bobby, It all depends what year SCCA rules your car was built to meet. CVAR uses 1972 rules, so unless you have documentation to support that your car was built to another year, or possible another race organization such as FIA, you will be classified according to the 1972 SCCA PCS. That states that you should be classified as DP. GT6's were fast cars so they got bumped up over the years. In 1969, as evidenced by the 1969 SCCA PCS that you can pull up through this link: http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm the SCCA classified the dual SU GT6 as EP. Since you have that set-up you should state on your Tech Declaration Form that you are running under 1969 rules and you will be OK as long as you meet the rest of the Specs. Your car is has decals stating it is an EP car because it came from the SVRA which separates GT6's into EP for SU's and DP for triple Webers. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 11:39:14 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission Message-ID: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Greetings again, After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did well in it's first race but a few issues surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any given stint. Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or so shifts. It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just yesterday with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm using Red Line 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be checked while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It seems like a good idea to do some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like clicking sound coming from the OD while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I have been told that third is troublesome anyway. It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat bushing upgrades to suit the J type OD. I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for racing, what would you do ? The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio changes ? While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race footage of a BMW with a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 &feature=related Thanks again, Jim Gray RMVR From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 11:44:40 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Message-ID: At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? ~Steve From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 11:56:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <8F626F23A8084C24A4C79F2CDE7FFDF1@KasPC> I ran GT-6 cars from 1967 thru 1972 and they were ALWAYS in E production category. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 12:00:57 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FAF1EA44BE44EB8A8D664A9AD517E79@KasPC> You are right Steve, I stand corrected. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's > winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much > difference > anymore... > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:04:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003e01c8ea93$1939ce50$0302a8c0@Bud> I raced D prod in my tr4s from 1970-1976...Gt6s and Datsun 2000s were my main competition..the Gt6 of course was a more advanced design...anyway...YES..they were dprod ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:10:20 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <004e01c8ea93$df85f750$0302a8c0@Bud> We always used the overdrive without all of the relays on top of the tranny... when you do a new tranny..weld an angle brace on(i think the non-starter side) where the bellhousing meets the trans racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did > well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm > using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I > have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 12:19:00 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720141900.TQTIB.246930.root@fepweb05> Thanks AGAIN to clarification... I'm not that fast yet to run DP with Bob Kramer and the Porsches.... 'course I'm still working on the 'seat time' ... shifting @5500 rev limiting 6000 rpm. Gosh I have the greenest eyes wishing I was going up to New York and Watkins Glen! Bob Kramer is headed up from Austin... I'm only about 200 miles farther north... I calculated about $700 fuel costs... plus plus plus... I've decided to finish out this year down here with CVAR, maybe make an out of state journey next year... Thanks Kas, Steve, and Bob K for the info on EP... Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ EP From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:43:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:43:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission In-Reply-To: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <255E36D0-50CD-4785-9A5F-50BFC96AF25A@bnj.com> If it were me I'd ditch the overdrive and go to a good dog box. Exactly what I plan to do with the Ambro. I like having the other ratios, but I don't really find an overdrive useful in a racing situation. You need to fiddle with it too much. If it were a five or six speed gearbox you'd just be shifting, but too often I find myself grabbing a lower gear and forgetting to switch the overdrive back so I don't get the gear I want. You can get used to anything, and I could probably come up with some automatic thing, like using a momentary button for the overdrive that would switch back to straight drive when I released it. But then I'd be getting used to that. I find four gears are adequate for most of the tracks I drive given the torquey TRactor motors we're using. A steel crank to let the engine rev (even if it's not making more ponies) and a well chosen rear end seem like a better choice. Might not be so with heavier cars, but seems right for me. At the price overdrives sell for these days you'd probably be most of the way to a dog box trans by selling what you have. I'd definitely want one in any street TR that I built as somewhat correct, so mine will probably go into the Red TR3 in my shop (in other words, that I wouldn't just stick a five or six speed trans into). Sequential gearboxes are great, but you have to get used to them too. When I was racing both a Radical and Peyote I had all kinds of goofy problems caused by forgetting what car I was in--like not being able to find the shift lever. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Jim Gray wrote: > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car > did well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts > in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another > ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid > just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and > I'm using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be > appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional > like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it > on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going > out. I have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding > ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar > race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:44:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1E72B7-5645-4164-8127-C3906A81A688@bnj.com> Depends on your advance curve. Mine is set for full advance at 2500 RPM, so I set it about 3000, but I blip to 6000 after it's set just to make sure the spark isn't bouncing around. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 19:01:38 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style > timing ray gun. I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" out here in Los Angeles. This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps the only 4 cyl car. About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my next VARA race. Anybody out there run a track day like this? Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Doug Fulk Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street Jet Patel john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street TKim william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 20 19:05:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721010536.F179E187658@autox.team.net> Rev it high enough that the timing mark stops moving, and use that RPM. Like Bill says, usually 2500 to 3000. - Tony At 12:44 PM 7/20/2008, Steven Belfer wrote: >At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > >~Steve From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 20:32:33 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:32:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP rod bolts [TR4] Message-ID: <3FAD879A-BCB2-4104-8724-C9988E1DE197@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anyone else noticed that the ARP rod bolts for TR4 [427 Ford] are . 003" smaller diameter at the shoulder than OEM? The "calibrated fingers" noticed a bit more slop in the rod cap and the dial caliper confirmed. Seems to me that this is just inviting misalignment or worse, a bit of "walking" room. They come with machined washers that have a inside bevel to clear a slight radius under the head. ARP insists that the washers must be used, but without the washer, the radius seems to nicely center the bolt. Also, using the washer, .060" of thread depth is lost. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence and I'm tempted not to use them. If our trusted wizards at Standard-Triumph bothered to put such a nicely machined .437" shoulder on their bolts, they probably had good reason. Thoughts anyone? P.S. This is for stock rods. P.P.S. Funny to think that 427 Ford rod bolts might not actually be big enough! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 22:38:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sure, all the time. Track time is track time. Just focus on doing the things you want to do. Underpowered doesn't mean much except that people who can't drive will blow by you in the straight and then suck in the corners, But you should probably have a list of things you want to work out. One of them is figuring out how to set your tire pressure and suspension. I think Kas' first book is pretty good for this stuff, but there are other guides to test and tune that can help you a lot. Just remember you aren't there to race with these guys. Truth is that a good mini van can set a faster time than most vintage race cars. Peyote does 1:29 something at PIR with the chicane, my Ferrari does 1:23 without breathing hard, with a passenger, the AC running, and the stereo blasting old Queen anthems. I've done 1:24 with one of those weird rally 323's years ago. 1:17 with my Radical. Doesn't matter. I'd rather race Peyote than any of those. On Jul 20, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:21:31 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Hi, Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final video output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out stuff to get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and see whatcha get. I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I have spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD output which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process took about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about the compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video makes HUGE files. rml p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems with his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the video overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But the interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good product, but the world of video on computer is fairly complex. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:44:41 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:44:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Amen. You need to edit video anyway so that someone else will want to watch it. sitting through a 30 minute race as raw footage is boring for everyone but the driver. Even a seven minute lap of the ring gets a little long for most people. I've found I can make a decent race video by concentrating on having a total length of three minutes. A better video is an entire event, including some non-track stuff, about five minutes long. You have to add titles to explain the sections and perhaps some voiceover. The downside is that producing an edited video five minutes long from an hour of raw video takes two or three hours of concentrated work. Figure twice the editing time per raw footage time. And that's if you're pretty good at it, have a good idea where the good stuff is, and understand the software. Inevitably you'll find that you've accidentally cut something you wanted to keep. The best way to do it is find some kid that likes playing with video editing and have them do it. I need to find another one, my video geek moved. Don't pay them, at least not in money. An occasional meal is good. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression > tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has > "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final > video > output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to > fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) > > But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out > stuff to > get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and > see > whatcha get. > > I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I > have > spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's > drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at > different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor > either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD > output > which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). > > I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process > took > about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. > > So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about > the > compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video > makes > HUGE files. > > rml > p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard > Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems > with > his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the > video > overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or > behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But > the > interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support > organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good > product, but > the world of video on computer is fairly complex. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:46:20 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let > you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must > do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to > any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it > for you. Youtube converts to flash, I think. Don't bother trying to upload high-quality - the conversion wrecks the video quality). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:49:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > At least except for > giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero > maintenance until I throw sockets at him. I heard this over the weekend: Miatas on track == track gnats I thought is was funny. > Gary Schneider rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 09:03:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop that I don't use. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > >> At least except for >> giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car >> with zero >> maintenance until I throw sockets at him. > > > I heard this over the weekend: > > Miatas on track == track gnats > > I thought is was funny. > >> Gary Schneider > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 21 09:21:18 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given the concept more than a passing thought! > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Robert Lang > Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > that I don't use. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 09:49:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 10:10:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Mon Jul 21 11:41:09 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> GT-40! Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no way and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the next week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. Then I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. I fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:05:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:05:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> Message-ID: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> That's a safe one to have in there..helps keep it full RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Henry Frye'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Miata seats > GT-40! > Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the > opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no > way > and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the > next > week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. > Then > I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. > I > fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM > To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that > way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want >> Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else > fills >> the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Henry Frye" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> > >> > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> > the concept more than a passing thought! >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> >> To: Robert Lang >> >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> >> that I don't use. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:16:28 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. Paul From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:27:59 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8eb5f$8185a8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:40:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. Yet that stil doesn't seem to be enough! Sigh!!!! :( Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:51:37 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats Message-ID: When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess that's why I'm still married after 32 years. Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: July 21, 2008 2:28 PM To: Paul MacDonald; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 13:02:03 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Curry wrote: > Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. > > I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a > totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a > separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler > from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. America - home of the free. My TOWN passed a "junker law". One unregistered car per street address. I had to cut up two TR6's and a Spitfire. They were _gone_ with no hope or restoring, but I really thought that it was a stupid law. In fact, I was at the town meeting where the law passed. But try getting up in front of 400 folks to explain that the Police Chief's ideas to keep crackheads out of town shouldn't be confused with a nutcase racer. That's way to much over the head of Joe Lunchbox let alone the _former_ plice chief. My solution is move to the country. If your neighbors can't see you, they can't compain about the "crap" in your yard. Oh and 'till my country estate plans materialize, I'lll _ALWAYS_ have a dead car in the yard. Heh - the LAW say's it's okay! Ever the Rabble Rouser, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:58:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:58:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats References: Message-ID: <009801c8eb63$bf0318c0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Paul, I guess we all have our own methodology. My own success at a 32 year marriage (yes I guess we both got hitched the same year) is to just ignore her. She hates my cars and my hobby and can'tfind anything redeeming about it. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats > When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak > of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special > suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time > justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what > clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the > boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess > that's why I'm still married after 32 years. > > Paul > > > I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of > us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and > there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent > "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 21 13:05:46 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807211205kb5dc337y559722063b33231a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3570.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3569.html :) From vanlake at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 21 14:09:40 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SILICONE GASKETS Message-ID: <072120082009.25918.4884ED04000154520000653E22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> There was a thread a couple weeks back dealing with Silicone valve cover gaskets. Could someone send me the address to the manufactures web-site or E-Address? Thanks! Mark From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 15:26:57 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:26:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb78$8106f9a0$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I do 6 track days a summer in my TR4 at Beaverun just north of Pittsburgh with cars like you listed. The others are modern and hugely fast compared to me. But it works out great because I make it easy for them to go by and they are gentlemen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > > Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires > 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race > andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street > Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street > craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race > Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street > David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Doug Fulk > Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street > Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street > Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race > Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race > Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street > Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street > Jet Patel > john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street > John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race > John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street > Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street > mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street > Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street > Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street > Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race > Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street > Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race > stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race > STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race > Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race > tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street > TKim > william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 18:49:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:49:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain > that way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want >> Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that >> thing..the Want >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 18:59:00 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:59:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb96$214ec010$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Considering that my job is moving to India the 15th of August, it is indeed pretty much "out of reach"! Joe C. _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:49 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 21 20:02:55 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... - Tony Quoting Henry Frye : > I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 20:16:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:16:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <022401c8eba0$ed3753e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I also drive a Miata on the streets Amazing car(mines a 1990 that my son gave me)...When I first got it, I told my racer friends who drive Miatas that i thought mine must have special handling stuff..They all said.."Nope..that's how they drive" Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps > some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... > > - Tony > > Quoting Henry Frye : > >> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> >> I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> the concept more than a passing thought! >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >>> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >>> To: Robert Lang >>> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >>> >>> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >>> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >>> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >>> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >>> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >>> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >>> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >>> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >>> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >>> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >>> that I don't use. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 07:24:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:24:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] I-J Scrapers Status Message-ID: Group Purchase-Quick note: My Ishahara-Johnson TR4 assembly is here. I have not installed windage tray and scraper with Teflon insert, but it is piece of metalworking art. Comment: We got under the price increase as the running changes with product improvements drove the price up. (Plus the 15% discount) I expect shipments to commence shortly and perhaps somewhat slowly. If I can expedite for 'hardship' cases I will. Looks like the process is worth the patience...my VISA Card has not been charged beyond the intial material purchase, so I continue to hold your checks. If you would like to jump in and add an order, please contact me and I will see what I can do. Regards, Joe Alexander From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 08:41:55 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:41:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 08:48:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Cary, SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in storefront windows at their reflections. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 09:03:50 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220803l3b3e0c71id21a692282224217@mail.gmail.com> What? http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2513.jpg 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > Cary, > > SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in > storefront windows at their reflections. > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > > Paul > > > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with > John > > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that > > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 09:08:11 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. John Buffum loves his TR8 and still uses it as a daily driver. BTW, if he had not a prior committment in rallying, John would be joining us at Watkins Glen. (Cary, I am still planning to head your way in October or November) Joe A > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize > that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > Cary > > > > From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Jul 22 09:19:46 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. Now we have three of the darn things...! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 09:36:30 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <00a401c8ec10$b6860f10$0302a8c0@Bud> the TR7 is way undervalued..the problem here in Ca. for a street TR7 is they have to be smogged Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me > his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some > modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was > comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. > > Now we have three of the darn things...! > > Susan :) > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT > To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about > anything. > > That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a > REMARKABLE car!. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 22 09:38:01 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:38:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in the September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations Kas and thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:28:12 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:28:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too true. We also always see ourselves from the front (flat stomach, firm chest, full head of hair) rather than the side. On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:41 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about > your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite > Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came > with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 > bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 09:44:28 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: and THANKS for the GREAT tech manuals from the factory days...I have em all, and they are still the 'Bible for Triumphs' prep basics.....Rick ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 22 09:46:27 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and wanted a V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought a TR8. After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the multiple car disorder for a long time too. Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly though, nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the point that I like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) and the square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear end of the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. Paul My Wedges http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 2.jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro BookBackSmall.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: TR7 Seats Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:59:58 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and > wanted a > V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought > a TR8. > After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the > multiple car > disorder for a long time too. > > Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly > though, > nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the > point that I > like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) > and the > square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear > end of > the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. > > The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. > > Paul > > My Wedges > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 > 2.jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro > BookBackSmall.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] > Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM > To: macdonaldp at rogers.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: TR7 Seats > > > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved > TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally > came > with John Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That > same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years > newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse > Fantasy > Football today. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:08:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:08:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better word picture than TVR and Griffen. I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went into the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. Bill Dentinger ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 10:18:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Did the offy intake and 4bbl number on a customer's car a few years ago and my oh my what a huge difference. I know there alot of things one can do to improve the brakes and handling, but just the little bit of parts swap on top of the motor did wonders. There is a neat Wedgie in the area into which a 3.8 camaro motor and 5 speed was installed. guy got the shell from Ted S and turned it into a really nice looking and driving car. I drove it a few months ago and it was at least as strong as the TR8. owner claims about 30 mpg on trips. he used all the GM injection and ignition bits. My only real complaint against wedgies is the lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" >> > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better > word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went > into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 10:40:38 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> That's what trailers were made for :) A. 2008/7/22 riverside : > My only real complaint against wedgies is the > lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the > wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. > > art de armond From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 11:41:30 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:41:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner In-Reply-To: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <97503DEB-0DE9-4EDE-8E75-2FA5F77C0818@earthlink.net> Great article indeed. The name game part helps explain something for me. Maybe it's just his way of having some fun. At the KC race at Miller last year, while sharing a bit of shade with the distinguished looking gentleman next to me, the man held out his hand and introduced himself as Ken [or so I thought]. It took a few minutes to realize he had likely said "Kas". In hindsight it was a bit embarrassing, but probably saved me the true embarrassment of stuttering, flailing around and kissing the ground he walked on. Thanks for everything you've done for our cars and our sport Mr Kastner. See you at the Glen. And I'll try to get the name right next time! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:38 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in > the > September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations > Kas and > thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 22 11:58:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <386611.55563.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The designer of that engine would be glad to hear that you liked it. Unfortunately, he passed away in April at the age of 92. Someone else wrote about a Wedge with a 3.8L V6 in it. There is more than just a GM family tie to those engines. The 3.8 is a cut down, bored/stroked version of the 3.5 in iron instead of aluminum. --- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central > Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > > > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and > TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > > > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR > issue, but a far better word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum > V8 engine that went into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a > GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up > for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 13:53:25 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > That's what trailers were made for :) > A. > > 2008/7/22 riverside : > >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >> >> art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 14:30:58 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the TR. Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. flip a coin to decide who rides where :) At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II wheels/tires. A. 2008/7/22 Craig : > Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > That's what trailers were made for :) >> A. >> >> 2008/7/22 riverside : >> >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>> >>> art de armond >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:02:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 16:22:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop><4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com><00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind one at that). I really like the convertibles though. I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:02 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:39:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221539x443db162p952a5fc86aa85ec8@mail.gmail.com> I'm just a hard top guy. If I were to own a racer Spit, it would have a hard top. (Pending my head/brain bucket fit under the roll bar.) For me, yes the GT6 gets a little warm, but I just find open top cars wear me out. The wind noise is too much for me to take. I edit video all day long, so sustained noise just bugs me. Now the GT6 is not exactly quite. Autocross in a 1968 Triumph GT6 Mk1 A. 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the > hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind > one at that). I really like the convertibles though. > > I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota > owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) > > Joe C. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 22 17:08:10 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] transportation needed Message-ID: <20080722230751.2FA30187647@autox.team.net> I have a Triumph TR6 frame and a long block TR6 engine I need transported from Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123 to Elkton, Maryland 21921 If this works for anyone with a trailer there is some bucks in it for you. Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM ph 505 362-4350 From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 17:24:50 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog rides up front! art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Craig" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the > TR. > Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. > > flip a coin to decide who rides where :) > > At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. > > Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II > wheels/tires. > > > A. > > 2008/7/22 Craig : > >> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats >> >> >> That's what trailers were made for :) >>> A. >>> >>> 2008/7/22 riverside : >>> >>> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>>> >>>> art de armond >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 17:39:33 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221639j256e9dc4o8d7da33285b3a57a@mail.gmail.com> Woof to that. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/images/fun/CodyWarburton.jpg 2008/7/22 riverside : > flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog > rides up front! > > art d From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jul 22 20:08:39 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> Message-ID: Kathy, Sam and I just got back from a ride in her TR8. The country roads around Bowling Green are perfect for Triumphs (and Corvettes). Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:00 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: Group44TR7 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 20:40:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Shirts and Baseball Caps- last call for orders and time to pay up! References: <000e01c8d48d$c51516b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D803943E91@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: <009301c8ec6d$80f7c110$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have forwarded to Ted Schumacher of TS Imported, a list of all of your orders, addresses and shipping/pick-up at the Glen choices. Now you need to pay up. Ted has graciously offered to process all of this, and deliver the goods to the Glen or ship to you. Call Ted with your credit card number at 419-384-3022, (order some Triumph parts while you are at it). For the few of you that are located overseas, Ted will probably accept an email. For those of you who did not order, this is your last chance! We will not have excess stuff at the Glen (well, maybe a few tee shirts). If you want to take another look at the goods, see the email below and send me your order. If you can't remember if you ordered already, send me your choices and I will confirm or add 'em to the list. Thanks again! We have a long sleeve blue or khaki color denim shirt with a Triumph shield/laurel/Kastner Cup logo embroidered on the left front, and a baseball cap (blue or khaki) with the same logo We also have a printed tee shirt with a terrific all Triumph race graphic designed by Greg Petrolati on the back, and the FOT logo you are all familiar with and the words Kastner Cup 2008 below it, on the left front. Go to the link below and view "photo album" to see the embroidered logos, the shirt and cap and the tee shirt design. At this point, I need you to tell me how many of each of these you want and the size. Just send me an email. We need all orders by July 1. Ted Shumacher is graciously offering to handle credit card processing and will bring all the items to the Glen for pre-paid pick-up. If you do not plan to be at the Glen, shipping is extra. Once we have orders, Ted and I will figure out how to collect credit card info, checks, etc and get back to you once we have the orders. Long Sleeve button down denim shirts in blue or khaki, button down collar, breast pocket, embroidery above pocket. S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $30 +1 for every X above XL. An XL is a 17 -17 1/2 neck size, so these are good sized shirts Baseball caps - hgh quality Adams cap, one size fits all, khaki color, $16 Tee shirts, light gray background, S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $19, plus $1 for every X above XL http://www.freewebs.com/sjanzen/index.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.fridirici at grande.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 22 23:56:51 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, From srcypher at mac.com Wed Jul 23 05:21:16 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: If you call their special order department 805-525-1497, ask for Jay Coombs. If you have a stock one, and describe the overall length, thread pitch on each end & length, whether you want the allen key broach or not, he can look up the exact part #, and if you want the kit, can look it up as well... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 05:48:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I purchased mine thru Summit Racing cheaper than what I paid direct from ARP. Summit part number ARP-206-4207. 112.99 was the price last November. Dean T. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Does anyone have a part number for these? B Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 23 06:19:50 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head studs. It made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the ARP studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with stock studs. I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head assembly? As the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They say torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those directions, my head gasket leaked. I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the ARP studs are helping me or hurting me... From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 06:37:26 2008 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:37:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: <072320081237.6121.4887260600094D70000017E92200735446CE08019D099C@comcast.net> I'll be racing the #393 Spitfire at the SVRA Thunderbolt Inaugural (New Jersey Motorsports Park) Aug 7-10. Any other FOTrs racing or going? I've heard from VRG that the State of New Jersey has very strict safety regs that all racing sanctioning bodies must follow especially regarding FIA/SFI harnesses, helmets, etc. If you're racing, be sure your equipment is current and that expiration dates can be checked. Steve Groh From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 23 08:26:59 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:26:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: I have been on the smaller Lightening track once with EMRA and once with SCCA in my ITC Rabbit. FOT'r Dave Miller ran there last weekend with SCCA as well in his E/P TR4. The Thunderbolt track is still under construction but will have the same great features the Lightening has but better and bigger. So far, the NJ State Police have not been a factor. I received in writting a confirmation that the SNELL SA 2000 helmet is acceptable. NJ regulations say all belts are two years for SFI rating and FIA is by expiration date. Good Luck and if you need any help, let me know. I won't be racing but might be on sight or close by. I'm 25 miles from the track. Dave Yeager 609-517-3129 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:35:54 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Certainly it's feasible that the brilliant designers who were whacking together a tractor motor carefully calculated the yield strength of each stud using their Lucas computers, and built in just the right amount of stretch to safely cycle the gaskets. But I doubt it. It does get done. Volkwagen Rabbit motors have stretch-to-torque single use headbolts, but that's that whacky germans. You can always go back to the springy stockers. Some very good engine builders consider them adequate, and therefore not reasonable to replace. I just LIKE the ARP studs, with their broached allen head for fast removal, their smooth threading into the block, and their positive torquing. As for leaks, I generally undertorque a bit, especially with a steel gasket, then look for mayo in the oil. If I see to much I go little higher. That isn't the studs, that's the miserable head gaskets we've got to work with and the imprecision of the gasket surface with a wet sleeve engine. I wouldn't run an engine without them, but that just me. On Jul 23, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. > > Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head > studs. It > made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to > achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the > ARP > studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with > stock studs. > > I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head > assembly? As > the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP > studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. > No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... > > Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They > say > torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those > directions, my head gasket leaked. > > I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the > ARP > studs are helping me or hurting me... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed Jul 23 16:16:01 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... Message-ID: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 23 19:57:56 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8ed30$b1591e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks for the part numbers. Funny thing with Summit, I asked them if they could source the TR head bolts for me and they said ARP did not offer them. Thanks, Greg From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 23 19:17:49 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:17:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. Thanx in advance, Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 19:59:25 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <003b01c8ed30$e622c2b0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I got mine from Ken Gillanders. I must have thrown the box away. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs > Does anyone have a part number for these? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jul 23 20:17:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <007301c8ed33$6f6d05b0$1442a8c0@semperon3400> http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Catalog.html Page 72 206-4207 for the nuts They don't list the studs. I'd contact Ted Schumacher for the ARP parts, I'm sure he can supply them! tedtsimx at bright.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 20:21:39 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068401c8ed34$04975cd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, for the Vintage events, things are much more relaxed than during, say Nascar or Indy races. A regular ticket will get you about anywhere you want to go. There's not a huge crowd there for Vintage events, so you can wander about anywhere except the hot pits. Watch from one grandstand for one heat, then wander to another location for the next heat. You can drive, walk, or ride a bicycle. Be sure to spend some time in the Boot (turns 6,7, and 8) Great viewing. And ignore the signs saying no shorts or sandels in the paddock, just the hot pits. There's a lot of space in the infield (which is basically anywhere inside the track) for camping. Area A, B, or D would be close to the action. I slept in my van in the South Paddock for the VRG event last October; a nice, low key event. Like I said, it's a whole different atmosphere for the Vintage types. One woman, after I made a remark about lug nuts, came over and said, "You Vintage guys are a lot more fun than the rest of the folks who race here." I've been going there since '68; had some great times. Things tamed down a bit after they drained the Bog, though! Try and get to the event at the Research Library on Friday evening. Usually $25, with lots of great food, liquid refreshments, guest speakers, live and silent auctions, etc. A good time. I'm looking forward to another great weekend there. See you there. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 "Don't go too fast, but I go pretty far." Melanie, circa 1972 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Jul 23 20:48:14 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Andre, No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the reenactment ;) And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not a bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson Exports. :D Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 24 04:30:30 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <4362ae390807240330k6bab8besc892637095c9689@mail.gmail.com> Labatt Blue, Molson Export? Good lord man. I have far better taste in beers. :) Cheap domestic stuff gives me headaches hehehe A. 2008/7/23 Jim : > Andre, > > No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. > > I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. > Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the > reenactment ;) > > And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not > a > bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson > Exports. :D > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 24 08:32:15 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying > around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. > Thanx in advance, Steve you can get new ones from Moss... not cheap, but they'll get you back on the road. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 11:44:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Thanks everybody for all of the assistance. Scott at Team Triumph had them and is shipping them today. Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Jul 24 15:25:01 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail Message-ID: Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick Kristoff ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 17:28:07 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: Here's a really cool link on the subject... _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 24 21:23:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels Message-ID: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jul 24 21:46:52 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As the two cars, Swanson in the GT-6 and Fitzgerald in the Datsun came to the last corner of the last lap, the left rear suspension on Carl's GT-6 broke and Carl took a tough ride down the side of the front straight and finally came to a halt .Second, but no banana. This accident is what caused me to make the forged hubs for the later cars. Steve Smith now can do the same thing for any GT-6 owner and you REALLY should do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > Here's a really cool link on the subject... > > _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ > (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jul 24 22:50:41 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Owners of early Long Door TR2's... Message-ID: <48895BA1.5010103@greenheart.com> Please e-mail me... I've been a TR4A guy since 1977... but this last year I've acquired an early 1954 long door TR2.... and it would help to have some people to knock questions off of.... --Justin Wagner jmwagner@ From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 25 02:34:03 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 1:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725043403.P3CR4.67819.root@fepweb06> I have a nice solid one available in Wisconsin. Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing > crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a > good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one > in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick > Kristoff > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 25 05:38:32 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Is this a race car or a street car? I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s would ever fit without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf springs. Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels (if they would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the old girl. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheels I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:21:30 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Is this a race car or a street car? > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > would ever fit > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > springs. > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > (if they > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > old girl. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > wheel on? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 17:34:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:34:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Wheels References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 inches? Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always thought this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little holes drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to do this way. Imelda (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > > > Is this a race car or a street car? > > > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > > would ever fit > > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > > springs. > > > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > > (if they > > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > > old girl. > > > > Terry Stetler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David W. Riddle > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > > wheel on? > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > stinfo/fot> > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:57:26 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <4819FA65-BCCE-4CB9-85EE-D120F2200B5A@gmail.com> I'm thinking about the opposite--taking TR4 wheels, which I think measure out to a little over five inches wide, reinforcing the hub and then drilling all the cooling/lightening holes that racing steelies sometimes have--particularly the Porsches. Instead of knockoffs, extra- long studs smooth noses to start the lugnut cleanly, and very plain lugnuts. All very racy methinks. Low buck retro look is all the rage in the hot rod world. I traded my '48 chebbie pickup to a guy who is going to restore it with 40 year old barn find patina. It would be easy to do since it's been a lawn ornament at my house for nearly ten years, but he wants it black instead of moldy red. On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 > inches? > Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always > thought > this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little > holes > drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to > do this > way. > Imelda > (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 25 12:35:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me that it is not a good idea. Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your roll over bar. Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Is this a race car or a street car? >> >> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >> would ever fit >> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf >> springs. >> >> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >> (if they >> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >> old girl. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David W. Riddle >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >> >> >> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >> wheel on? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 13:14:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:14:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Message-ID: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jul 25 13:36:31 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> Message-ID: My first racecar was a TR3A with circle track style steel wheels, including about 10 or so round cooling openings like Bill mentioned. They were virtually unbreakable but very heavy. I think there are a few roundy-round wheel people that will make them up to your spec. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:15 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Fri Jul 25 21:49:49 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. Is that it? Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 05:34:02 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <6A98ED87-42BC-453D-A4B4-55D659DFBB3B@gt6.ca> 19! Wow. And I know what your talking about. There are tons of other cars I'd love to own, yet I simply can't part with my little GT6. Its part of me. I just hope when I'm older I can still get in and out of the car. :) A. On 25-Jul-08, at 11:49 PM, wrote: > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first > GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I > owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, > and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. > I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground > up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've > ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and > driver of the little GT6 I have now... -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Jul 26 06:01:26 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:01:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. Message-ID: TR2/3....FP and then EP TR4....DP and then EP TR250/6....CP and then DP Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 7/25/2008 11:50:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, igofaster at charter.net writes: Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 26 07:03:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right now. Item number: 300243431327 Item number: 160260591211 Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 07:24:14 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807260624o74f98e17h1f24d6f980550811@mail.gmail.com> Yeah the yellow one looks tasty... I need to upscale my income and garage badly ;) A. 2008/7/26 BOB KRAMER > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gp89 at charter.net Sat Jul 26 09:57:24 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 8:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20080726115724.4JKI6.100520.root@fepweb10> The yellow #99 was my first race car. I can answer any questions regarding the car. Not so sure how accurate the description is, the car has had a lot of rust repair done to it. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- BOB KRAMER wrote: > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Jul 26 21:09:39 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23.7D.25605.AE6EB884@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 08:01 AM 7/26/2008, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >TR2/3....FP and then EP >TR4....DP and then EP >TR250/6....CP and then DP ...then GT-3, then EP for the TR-6 at least. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 27 05:28:55 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:28:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR250K Message-ID: <488C5BF7.3010209@cfl.rr.com> Just a note to send you to the BRE web site. He has a couple of nice archive prints of the TR250K and other Datsun stuff if you have any interest in who competed heavily against Triumph back in the day. http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=B&Category_Code=brearchivephotosprotos Bob GT6 TR4 Datsun 2000 & 510 trans am From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jul 27 09:15:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:15:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watking Glen - Hampton Inn (cancellations) Painted Post Message-ID: FOT If your plans are changing, resulting in a cancellation, please let me know. I have a couple of requests for reservations at the hampton Inn, our "Official FOT Hotel". Recent travel by the Corning area reveals that there is an enormous amount of new road construction near the hotel. Be prepared for GPS Confusion. Once you get there, it will become clear, if a bit of a nuisance. Joe A From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 14:27:21 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 27 14:53:11 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:53:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Plowing? as in understeer? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 00:04:18 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:04:18 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, due to fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Jul 27 16:21:38 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <20080727172138.cbm7503l4o48kws4@secure.uwalumni.com> Scott Barr writes: > Andy . . . offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. > Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Having at one time owned and operated an actual tractor (Ford, vintage 1950's), I'd have gone with Steve's suggestion of "Plowing" or "understeer". A GOOGLE search, however, indicates that I've fallen behind in my terminology. It turns out that "tractoring" is what a "tractor beam" does -- i.e. it pulls other objects toward itself with an invisible force. What consequences that might have on the race track is left as an exercise for the reader. Jim Hill TR6 From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 16:22:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:22:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: The simplest thing would have been to ask him, but generally tractoring means you have too little camber. On Jul 26, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, > due to > fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling >> mechanic / > pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk > vocabulary > and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You > just > naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about > what you > car is doing. >> >> Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and >> stuck > his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was > "tractoring". > At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual > Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something > about > it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking > about it > since. >> >> I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. >> Anybody > have any idea what it means in this context? >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From m-syork at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 19:19:24 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union Message-ID: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 19:17:18 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:17:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <073601c8f04f$aefeb5b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I was a newbie last year at age 58. Had a blast and have met some really great people in my travels. Very friendly and helpful. My thanks also goes out to all those folks. Great bunch. See you all at the Glen. Bill Tobin TR6 Vintage type Erie, PA----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:15:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:26:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he couldn't see how the car handles on track. As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the time to stop and chat. I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. Scott ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 27 21:07:19 2008 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <002001c8f05f$0c8bff80$abb18147@yourf78bf48ce2> In 1970 Don Devendorf ran the early GT6 with swing axles and the early cyl head and Stromberg carbs in EP SCCA, and Carl Swanson drove the Kas Kastner factory backed GT6 with the IRS , late cyl head and stromberg carbs in DP SCCA, both in 1970. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured > to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one > group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning > bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit > the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group > I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both > groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, > running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just > as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) > designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I > bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that > were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII > drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice > MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This > GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, > thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of > the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a > newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really > cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars > and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the > FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 27 21:28:06 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <83267.24164.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: The valve is a "residual pressure" valve which retains a couple of pounds of pressure on the front pads to reduce the amount of travel needed to bring them into contact with the rotor. It is the "input" to the 5-way, and there is no way around it if you use a 4-way and a pedal switch. I and others will suggest that you retain it in some form. If you need a good 5-way send me your address and I'll drop one in the post to you. Thanks - Ed - Mark York wrote: Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 22:23:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Generally when someone says a car is tractoring it means the front end is handling like a tractor. You don't have to look at the car on track to tell this, you can tell by the wear pattern on the tires. Perhaps he meant that. He might have meant two stroking (running too rich), but I'd guess he was looking at your tires. Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, the purpose of which was to move the contact patch of the front wheel to the inside of the turn, pulling the wheel to that side. If you've ever driven an old tractor you know what that means, the tractor lurches to the inside of the turn. Doing this decreases turning radius and decreases turning effort. It also makes up for the narrowness of the track a little bit by pushing the contact patch outwards and compensates for the low amount of ackerman available (or needed) with the wheels that close together. It also makes the tractor wobbly at speed, but since "speed" is a relative thing, it's not that much of a problem. On a race car with radial tires and too little camber, or bias plies and positive camber you get the same effect--the car tends to dive to the inside of the turn and requires pressure against the initial turn in to counter the effect. You can see the problem pretty clearly on the tires--they will be feathered towards the inside of the car on the outside edge of the tire. In extreme cases there won't be any wear at all on the inside edge of the tire. Good ol' NASCAR and dirt track boys prefer to talk in these terms even though they know just as much about what they are doing as any fancy pants at an F1 race. The call a car loose (dynamic oversteer) or tight (dynamic understeer), they say it's plowing (understeer), bunching (excessive toe), tractoring (pulling inwards on turn in), or pushing ( undesrsteer). On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was > running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he > couldn't see how the car handles on track. > > As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I > thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the > time to stop and chat. > > I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. > > Scott From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 27 22:29:00 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <20080728042859.PNDW14026.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly > corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), > and Victoria British (not in > stock) and sent an email to TRF. P/N 107069, NLS. > Has anyone tried to adapt > the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from > the same? Didn't use the 4-way, but I've used a switch mounted to the pedal box (ala TR4) for several years. Works great for me. Switch was off a Dodge or something, I forget which one. > What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the > top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve It's purpose was to keep the front brake pads from being knocked back by the spindles flexing in hard turns. > and how do you > get around it with the 4 way union? Early TR4s used the same valve, so yours should fit. But I never liked having the brakes drag, so I gutted my valve years ago and just lived with the pad knockback. Supposedly Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and bearing spacers completely solve the problem, but I've not had a chance to try mine yet. (Available from TRF, P/N HP661) Randall From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 08:59:43 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring Message-ID: Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTra ctorFront.jpg I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:48:29 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:48:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A01A9EB-2311-4840-A48B-1612B0040A77@bnj.com> That's the guy. Just a little positive camber. On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: > > http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTractorFront.jpg > > I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge > r2_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:58:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I'm really not confusing caster and camber. Most suspension parameters have more than one effect. Caster moves the contact patch behind the steering axis of rotation, and so it exerts a counter force to steering input that tends to drag the wheel straight. But caster also moves the contact patch to the side of the axis of tire rotation during steering input, imparting some camber effect. Likewise Camber moves the contact patch to one side or the other of the tire, but extreme positive camber acts like "negative" caster, pulling the wheel to the inside of a turn. From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 11:08:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Amici, A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was full and then it immediately hung up. It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but left their website up and running?!!B Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers about them? Thanks! Brad From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 28 11:54:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <005801c8f0da$f1f8a480$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Check into Northern Tool and Equipment. They have a broad selection of such products. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After > checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:45:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:45:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Bill Babcock wrote: > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > the purpose of which was to....[snip] Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 22:15:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:15:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002201c8f068$8ceb1220$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> He may also have been noting a slight misfire, or "poofing" at idle, resulting from an improperly seating valve. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 13:43:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> SVRA and VRG require not larger than a 205/60-13, which I run on 6" wheels. My favorite Kumhos are no longer made in this size and I find the Toyo Proxes to be way too hard/not sticky. Anyone have other recommendations that you are running in Vintage? Can't run the Hoosier A6 Thanks! From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 13:55:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0FD4F29A-7E4C-4FA3-9FE9-220DFFD997CC@bnj.com> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B > After > checking order status today it says the order is still in > processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call > their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those > things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system > then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales > department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the > system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/ > ) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't > shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard > any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 14:42:57 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:42:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 15:46:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: Message-ID: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be mounted on the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't worried about plants. My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. The front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the fronts are in the same track (row) as the rears. My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it on a regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! Bill And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help them.----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > > the purpose of which was to....[snip] > > Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero > front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten > plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:01:45 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:01:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <3399756D-E8DC-41AE-951E-55049195946D@bnj.com> TU- Tits up. On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango > uniform to me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:11:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <45E9E7FC-C409-468B-86F4-104822F58846@gmail.com> Yup. My favorite book on engines is Harry Ricardo's The High Speed Internal Compustion Engine, which I think was first printed in 1922. Plenty smart boy. Of course tractor wheel spacing is dictated first by the crops and expected field conditions and second by everything else. I don't really know why tractors originally had that big positive camber, but I understand the result on handling. On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be > mounted on > the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't > worried about plants. > My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. > The > front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the > fronts are in > the same track (row) as the rears. > My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it > on a > regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! > Bill > And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help > them.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the >>> general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, >>> the purpose of which was to....[snip] >> >> Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the > near-zero >> front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not >> flatten >> plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn > smart). >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! >> http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 28 16:21:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:21:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Water temp Message-ID: <566164119-1217283757-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1065712869-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What is the ideal water temp during a race? My tr3 was running around 200 deg. Sometimes 205. It was 95 outside and I had NGK BP8 plugs. I seem to remember running about 10 deg cooler last year in hotter weather. This new motor has a higher CR than the last one. It didn't overheat, just seeing what temp is ideal. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 28 16:54:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:54:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to > me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 28 18:30:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:30:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 18:59:35 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:59:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Message-ID: <488E6B77.8010106@141.com> I think I can visualize that......:) Kas Kastner wrote: > Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > > > >> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to >> me. >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 28 20:47:00 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B72@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> That's what I'm using on the Spit at this point. I think they're fine, but then I liked the Toyo Proxes RA1s, too, which you said you didn't like much. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon Jul 28 19:30:38 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 21:23:12 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph: Photos from space Message-ID: <002301c8f12a$6f1cfbb0$4d56f310$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: This is way off any Triumph subject but worth sharing if you haven't seen it already. Photos of Earth and around the space shuttle with music. Gary http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm _____ From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 29 03:13:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:34 UT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) Message-ID: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> gp89 at charter.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.Please see below for more information. Triumph Spitfire Racecar Reply to: sale-773989174 at craigslist.orgDate: 2008-07-28, 8:33PM 1965 Spitfire, full prep, G-Production race car (Midwestern Council) - has both SCCA and MCSCC log books. Fast car that needs some TLC. Engine needs rings. Lack of time and money reluctantly forces sale :( Fiberglass bonnet, rear fenders and deck lid. Electromotive distributerless ignition, accusump, roller rockers, etc. etc. HUGE spares package. Blocks, cranks, rockers, cams, diffs, tranies, wheels and more. Must see to appreciate and hear it growl. This is a serious race car that will win! $4750.00 or offer. Call Jeff at 608-882-5236 and leave a message. Serious inquires please. This item has been posted by-owner. Location: Evansville, WI it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://madison.craigslist.org/car/773989174.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/09mZ1FGQ49GdlRnLu0WY0Vmba ------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 29 07:34:34 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:34:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed In-Reply-To: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: I run Yoko Ao48 205/60-15 and I feel very fine with them. What I have heard about other tires is that they are very good until they pass a peak point if stickyness. Not so the Yokos. They might be not a qualifier but a long lasting fast tire. I recommend them. Cheers Chris From simon at telephonestogo.ca Tue Jul 29 08:25:20 2008 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photos from space Message-ID: <00b901c8f186$eecd6910$3464a8c0@SIMON> What a beautiful planet we live on! I have flown over Africa at night, (I lived in Zimbabwe until I was 20 years old), and you can look down without seeing a road, building or light for an hour! Really seems like the "dark continent". Simon. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 12:34:36 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:34:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member of our esteemed organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the "real" Surf City and home of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently acquired a TR3 which he has disassembled and is in the process of bringing back to life as a vintage racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more Triumphs to frequent our race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips and tricks from FOTers during his rebuilding process and is already on the right path having acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more to this brief introduction if you would like. Dave's email address is: dlhogye at aol.com. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 12:40:34 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second the nomination. Doug --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > of our esteemed > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > "real" Surf City and home > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > acquired a TR3 which he has > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > to life as a vintage > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > Triumphs to frequent our > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > and tricks from FOTers > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > right path having > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > to this brief > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > Do I have a second? > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 29 15:28:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <072920082128.3985.488F8B62000556A800000F9122216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I will third. If Gary likes it its got to be good besides we do need more TR's racing in Northern CA. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second the nomination. > > Doug > --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > > of our esteemed > > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > > "real" Surf City and home > > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > > acquired a TR3 which he has > > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > > to life as a vintage > > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > > Triumphs to frequent our > > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > > and tricks from FOTers > > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > > right path having > > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > > to this brief > > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > > Do I have a second? > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > > > 1969 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:06:28 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question Message-ID: I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake system. Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in which both car competed against each other ? I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage race cars, that we know when this happened. :) Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 13:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, was at Brands Hatch racing. Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel No I have to rebuild that engine again. Have fun with these: http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:44:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:44:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/30/2008 2:35:41 PM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > Amici... I done similar this past week end. Blew an oil cooler on my TR3 in a qualifying race at the AUTOBAHN (Joliet) on Saturday. Car was running like a Banshee. I couldn't figure out why it was so bright and sunny in front of me, and so foggy in my mirrors. Car was running great, albeit (eventually) about four quarts of oil down. We by passed the oil cooler for the Sprint Race. Again the car ran great, but by the end of the race I was reading twenty pounds of oil pressure. Car still sounded GREAT. On Sunday morning when we started it up it still sounded great but we had zero oil pressure. We're praying it is a faulty gauge or sending issue. I think I'll install an oil pressure light. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 30 13:53:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <007101c8f27d$fa557f00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My My but things must have changed greatly since I was last at Brands Hatch. I recall one particular Chevy Camaro that looked like a DDT fogger the entire race. It lost to a Ford Escort RS1500. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:08:27 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd appreciate it.. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:11:36 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good bad or indifferent? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 14:21:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <00e901c8f281$e8a1cd00$6402a8c0@HOME> I think the difficult thing would be to match the skirt shape with a lathe. As the sides of a piston is not straight that would be nothing that you can do with normal tools. http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:51:28 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807301351y491cae25k6194101b8774d0b@mail.gmail.com> TR5-6 with PI have the equivelent of a cold air box! On 7/30/08, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. > What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air > intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? > The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 > (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs > in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the > current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become > vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 30 15:04:24 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material other than forged aluminum. Bob Scott Cypher wrote: > I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, > but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used > or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type > information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to > build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd > appreciate it.. > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 30 16:27:05 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:27:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Wed Jul 30 18:31:15 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:31:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson > Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per lap. :-) Jim Hill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 30 19:06:58 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Message-ID: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> How about an OD switch mounted on the steering wheel. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson >> Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! > > I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per > lap. > > :-) > > Jim Hill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 30 20:26:44 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:26:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: Most of today's racing pistons are "cam ground". Turn the piston over, look at the different thicknesses of the underside. Massive up top, reinforcement around the pin bosses, thin skirt. Modern piston design takes into consideration the expansion of every portion of the profile. A true racing piston will calculate the expansion rate on every square millimeter and shape the piston accordingly. So they are "cam (as in lobe)ground". Kind of oblong or egged or whatever term we can use to approximate the shape the piston will take at "race temperature". Of coarse we are talking about high reving, close tolerance, precision race motors.... not tractor motors. Yes, I have gotten away with turning a piston perfectly round and running it at higher RPMs than the TR(3-4) can achieve. as long as you aren't too worry'd about a little piston slap at idle. Dave Y **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:56:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size In-Reply-To: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Pistons aren't turned very often, they are usually ground, and it's a complex shape--tapered smaller on the top (to make it straight when it's hot on the top and cold on the bottom) and smaller near the exhaust valve. It's called a cam grind, though it's a lot more complex than a cam. You _can_ turn a piston down, You'll loose all that sophistication and wind up with a piston that rattles in the bore, but if that doesn't bother you it doesn't bother me. I've done it before for motorcycle engines when I couldn't get the piston I wanted. You should do a little taper, even just a degree is helpful. But when there's pistons available that work just fine, and since building a motor is pretty expensive compared to the cost of four new pistons, I don't think I'd try that today. On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:58:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E640F39-88BD-41AB-A748-5EA239C1F9B9@bnj.com> It's probably not just forged aluminum, it probably has quite a bit of silicon. Not as much as Japanese pistons, but some. I'd set it up on the loose side of whatever Venolia recommends. On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Bob wrote: > Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got > them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He > supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some > else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended > piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material > other > than forged aluminum. > > Bob > > Scott Cypher wrote: >> I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, >> but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used >> or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type >> information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to >> build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd >> appreciate it.. >> >> Thanks >> >> -Scott Cypher >> spitfireracer at xsmail.com >> SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 >> Reading, PA >> http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher >> >> 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar >> 1971 TR6 TBD >> 1976 TR7 Street >> 1968 GT6 Vintage >> >> "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. >> Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start >> of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 31 01:40:09 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:40:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: This is right. Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:35:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:35:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/31/2008 2:41:27 AM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > This is right. > Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Amici... I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jul 31 07:44:21 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4891C1B5.3050207@dfn.com> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel. > > I can see how a necker knob would be handy on really tight turns, Bill. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:11:01 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/08 1:09:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spitfireracer at xsmail.com writes: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typic al clearances recommended. >> This is probably not much help. I have Cosworth pistons in the four cylinder tractor engine (TR-3/4). These are the popup pistons that Jack Wheeler used. I took 0.010" off of the flat part of the crowns on these pistons, to prevent the pistons from hitting the squish area of the head. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:19:02 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:19:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances-Addendum Message-ID: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typ ic al clearances recommended. >> >> I used 0.007" piston/wall clearance. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 31 20:20:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Jul 31 22:39:13 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48929371.70104@cyberspeedway.net> I went through my SCCA vintage GCR and found the following for Production: "1967 1.2 Authorized Modifications D.1. Any alteration to the carburetors (or fuel injection) except changing the number, model, type, or size of the standard equipment, and, except that extensions or addition of material to the exterior of the carburetor body is prohibited. Velocity stacks (intake air horns) may be used provided no modifications are made to the body or the frame work of the car to accommodate their use." "D.1.2.B.4 The cooling of brakes by ventilation of backing plates or fitting of air ducts, provided no changes are made in the bodywork above a plane passing through the wheel hubs." Engine air ducting is not mentioned specifically. In the 1972 GCR it read as follows: "2.2 Authorized Modifications A.7. Glass and/or plastic, headlight, front parking light, front signal light, lenses and bulbs must be removed. Then resulting openings may be used for ducting of air to the engine, front brakes and /or oil coolers." Cold air boxes were used in the Trans Am from 1967 as a through the firewall cold air intake was a Z282 option with the cold air box supplied loose in the trunk for the Z28. A cold air box also allows for more convenient air filter installation. Running an air filter will save valve seats. We switched to K&N back in 1982 and the time between valve jobs was quadrupled. The chassis dyno showed no hp loss with the filters. Greg Lund Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Jul 1 05:21:09 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the Mallory condensers. The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to contact. At least this has worked for me so far. If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs >great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the >second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to the extent >it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory cloth >through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading points at 29 >degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 degrees and >total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here . . . what's >wrong with the second set? >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 05:59:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Scott, Yes....we got under the wire on the price increase. It was part of the discussion with him on a cutoff date for orders. Joe > It appears he just raised prices, too; used to be < $80 or so for the > spit scraper, now its $120 on ebay... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 06:10:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:10:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Jerry, "Prior Triumph Orders" were mentioned as going out this week. If this doesnt happen, please let me know. Hope your foot is healing well. Joe A > I hope you have better luck with them than I have. I ordered two > complete scrapers with the teflon inserts in early April. I paid for > them by credit card and have never received them. I called in early > June and they told me they would be shipped within the week, I still > haven't received them. > Jerry Barr > From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:33:42 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Easy enough to test that, I just need to remember how. As I recall a signal generator and voltmeter is basically what you need, and some of the better vacuum tube voltmeters did direct capacitance measurement. Oh, wait, I don't have any of that stuff anymore. Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by smoking a few) though we could guess "high" and probably be good. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the > Mallory condensers. > > The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to > prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for > a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding > toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. > > This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. > > The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the > portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to > contact. At least this has worked for me so far. > > If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was > interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the > condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. > > > At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to >> the extent >> it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory >> cloth >> through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading >> points at 29 >> degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 >> degrees and >> total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious >> here . . . what's >> wrong with the second set? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:47:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trying to mount an electric fan on a high density radiator In-Reply-To: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: > > The battery, and the fact that races are short. In a street > > car driven over long distances and averaged, you'd be right, > > but if you drag raced that car against another the lack of a > > fan would be horsepower to the good.> > In addition, hopefully the electric fan runs only when needed; which should> generally only be at lower speeds. In day-to-day driving, mine comes on> only when I'm stuck in traffic, or just got off the freeway. The actual> duty cycle is quite low.> > Randall Thanks, guys. I wasn't thinking about the periods when the electric fan was off. Only the physics of it. Duh! John H. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:09:00 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Message-ID: Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 1 11:11:49 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <091101c8db9d$8d639040$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed > to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by > smoking a few) How is smoking a few going to help? Oh wait, you meant a few condensers. Never mind! Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Jul 1 12:08:41 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who races a blue TR3 on U-Tube ? Message-ID: <000c01c8dba5$7fc62d00$6601a8c0@Elliott> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjumerjIxbc&NR=1 From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:21:14 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <8CAA9C6C32B53C4-74C-25E2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:39:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com From john at race-dogs.com Tue Jul 1 14:08:56 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c8dbb6$4ac05a70$800101df@jawsxp> I've know people here running dual point with no problem with the MSD 6AL - I prefer only running One good set of HD points in mine and a Crane HI6, burnt too many MSD's Revs Strong past 7500- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as john at race-dogs.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=44E4374033.E9A4C From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 1 14:42:35 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:42:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 15:00:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, When I wired my Mallory dual point to the MSD 6AL box, the motor ran like crap. THEN I read the MSD manual (RTFM) and it said to disable one set of points in dual-point dizzies. YMMV Shane Ingate in NM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 From: chasgee at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Not true. I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 1 15:03:20 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> I run a Mallory dual point in my Spit FE1296 but converted to a Pertronix after not being able to keep up with the wear on the point sets. Life is good with the Pertronix. I would not go back to points. Using a Lucas Sport Coil. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:43 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; chasgee at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Jul 1 16:35:50 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:35:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080701223551.RIMV27951.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> I got one from them about 12 months ago and their service was excellent. However, if it's for a TR5/TR6, don't forget there are 3 different shaped 2500 cranks, and they don't seem to realise that. I had to do some minor mods to make to get it to work as intended. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 1 17:11:16 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The > protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: > > #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 > #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 > > I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex > Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever > feels and looks thinner at the time. > > Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from > the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced > the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the > sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and > the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 > and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per > Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just > measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of > insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also > cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned > with lacquer thinner. > > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >> >> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >> heights and variation? >> >> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >> steel shim gaskets? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Rich Rock >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 1 17:38:26 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:38:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> This is taken last friday. The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. as tr4racing at googlemail.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:35:53 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It shouldn't matter. All the second set of points does is extend the dwell time, which is the time that the points are closed and the coil has current running through it-saturating it in preparation for making a spark. They have no effect on timing since they open before the primary set opens and they are in parallel with the primary set. On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:39 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:37:44 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Pertronix is great if you're running an alternator. They like good voltage. On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor > with an > MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of > points is ok > for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I > startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps > reliable) > than using points. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Joe C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > >> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. >> >> Chuck >> Spitfire Racer >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> To: s.janzen at comcast.net >> Cc: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting >> >> >> >> Scott Janzen asked: >> >>> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >>> advance. It >> runs >>> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >>> connect >> the >>> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range >> >> Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only >> run one set of points. >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. >> http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:39:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I always deburr the figure eight gaskets, and I give the liners a whack with a lead hammer to seat them. Seems to make a difference. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either >> Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, >> whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge >> from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, >> spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to >> reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and >> direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block >> bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then >> cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim >>> headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... >>> what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure >>> 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:47:21 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <764CEACF-4220-4006-B2C4-EF1D8F9436F7@bnj.com> Wow, great video, what fun. I have GOT to do that before I shuffle off. I'm nearly done rebuilding peyote. I'm typing this with greasy fingers. a few more bolts to tighten, build a seat, make a throotle cable, put on the wheels and set the toe and I'm headed off for the Pacific Northwest Historics. This was a long, long haul--practically a complete rebuild from the ground up. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: > This is taken last friday. > The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 1 17:57:48 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <004001c8dbd6$444647c0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I use blue Hylomar for the figure 8's. It seems to seal a little better and goes on thinner. Would you believe I found some of this stuff at Harbor Freight. It was still seven bucks or so. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers >> and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. >> Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what >>> are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's >>> and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 1 18:16:33 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MSD & points Message-ID: Like Shane stated, you can run both if you like, but MSD (6AL) strongly recommends & states you connect only one set of the points. I've had mine like that in my GT-6 race car for almost 10 years & no problems at all. Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 1 22:19:43 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:19:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> Message-ID: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 00:06:17 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however slight) changes in the points gap. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:27:17 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:27:17 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8dbb8$db623150$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Where there's a will, there's a way. It should start a very interesting and amusing thread. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:28:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:28:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <003101c8dbb9$05ccce00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah, and of course additional drag on the engine! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 2 09:41:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 10:12:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Henry, Yes they do suddenly die. However, most of these sudden deaths can be directly attributed to improper installation. Forexample, most people continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. If one carefully reads the accompanying instructions, such failures tend to becomemuch les prevalent. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Amici Triumphi" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units > I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the > boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to > give you a rev limiter. > > The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work > all that well. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Wed Jul 2 10:04:35 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net><486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c8dc5d$52681040$800101df@jawsxp> FYI- I have noticed in my "Z" that when switching to a optical or Mag Trigger it does have steadier timing at upper Rev's than points- Also make sure at least with my Crane Box it does use a different wire for Points vs. Mag triggers- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=08A257434B.957D2 From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 2 10:26:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:31:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAAA782B4C5E44-544-1F8E@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> Hey guys I've had one for my racecar for over 20 years... ...and it's still sitting on the shelf getting dusty. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: Amici Triumphi ; Henry Frye Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:33:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message! **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 11:24:18 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The word NASCAR being used on the FOT list? Isn't there some kind of rules pertaining to this in the FOT bylaws? :) Marty > From: Gt6steve at aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 -0400> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; tlizzard at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net; henry at henryfrye.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units> > I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just > lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys > carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message!> > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_feb From REK46 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 11:25:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:25:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: Git 'er done ! ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 11:37:32 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Forexample, most people > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then work fine the rest of the day. I thought it was just bad luck ... Randall From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:06:34 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be occasional exceptions to any non-rule. I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that should be in every unit they sell. On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Git 'er done ! > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 2 12:35:28 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again Message-ID: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Amici, i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the data sheet. Any reason this oil should not be used? art de armond From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:09:47 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their units. This prevents spurrious emissions from damaging the units. Obviously, they want you to buy their wires but I have found that there are several companies making these and are perfectly suitable to the task. I am amazed that as much as these things cost that people don't bother reading the literature that comes with them in order to protect their investment. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Amici Triumphi'" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > > Forexample, most people > > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. > > Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core > wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD > wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work > for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then > work fine the rest of the day. > > I thought it was just bad luck ... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:11:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004401c8dc77$67104e80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I also found that shock mounting the units help a lot! Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be > occasional exceptions to any non-rule. > > I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible > to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all > the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers > discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the > same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less > protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking > diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that > should be in every unit they sell. > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > > Git 'er done ! > > > > > > ************** > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > > fuel-efficient used cars. > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:15:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:15:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <84438BF3-482A-4C82-A6F9-857BBA9FB6E6@bnj.com> I use it all the time, peyote is full of VR-1 right now. On Jul 2, 2008, at 11:35 AM, riverside wrote: > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 2 13:25:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000a01c8dc79$68cba830$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We've used it in our engine in 6 events and no problems regarding cam wear. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:40:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:40:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I've had 2 MSD 6AL units on 2 different cars. Both have been flawless, and it was the way the first box performed that convinced me to buy the second. All up I have over 40K miles on the 2 boxes. All y'all comments come as a surprise, because I know dozens of cars with MSDs with no failures. Maybe I should read more magazines and watch more telly to keep informed (or maybe not; ignorance is bliss). Prior to that I did have 3 Pertonix failures (sudden-death syndrome). The Pertronix is great because the points can be installed in less than 3 mins, but I've not yet figured out how to hotwire a MSD. Don't even get me started on the POS Mallory Unilite dizzies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 15:41:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 2 17:28:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory condenser value Message-ID: <200807022328.m62NSVTE180584@ns3.geneseo.net> For what it's worth, the capacitance of the Mallory condenser #400, used with our dual point distributors, is .28 mfd, 600V. After my carping about not being able to find out the value, I discovered it was on the package of a new condenser. Good grief. It's off to the parts store tomorrow. uncle jack From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 2 17:38:07 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <004101c8dc9c$ae0ee600$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Along with Penn Grade Racing Oil, I think we can also trust Valvoline VR-1. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 17:43:03 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com><003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000001c8dc9d$5ebcd930$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I tried to find the installation instructions that came with the MSD6! I currently use but could not locate it. I will keep looking. However, I did run across a coil compatibility list which may explain some failures. But I remember quite clearly the Plug Wire issue because I called The MSD tech support to ensure that the ones I decided on would not damage the unit. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:42 PM To: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 2 17:43:16 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:43:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <20080702234308.43AF0187674@autox.team.net> It's what I use - non-synthetic for break-in and synthetic thereafter. I still put some EOS in for good measure, though. I can even buy the non-synthetic version at Autozone and Farm & Fleet! - Tony Drews At 01:35 PM 7/2/2008, riverside wrote: >Amici, > >i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for >VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the >currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the >data sheet. >Any reason this oil should not be used? > >art de armond >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 21:06:00 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Forged Piston Message-ID: <907039CF-AD9D-4C08-AE53-C9315AC87E94@xsmail.com> Anyone have a picture of a GT6 forged piston they are using for competition? I'll be building a GT6 engine over the winter, and wanted to get an idea of length of the skirt a GT6 piston has vs. the TR6 pistons I've seen. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jul 2 21:16:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine parts for sale Message-ID: <114871.10004.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Today I went to my machine shop to pick up a block and crank they were doing for me. The owner was in the proces of cleaning out unclaimed jobs and offered to sell me all the Triumph and MG stuff that has been collecting dust. Only makes sense...he has $$$ in it and would like to reclaim some of his losses. I was feeling especially good, so I gave him his labor cost that he had in each item. Below are some of the things I got that I don't think I'll need. Sorry but I am keeping all the small journal 1300 stuff for myself. Spitfire 1500 crank, polished to standard size 1972 TR6 head, disassembled, vatted, crack checked. With all the valves and springs. Numerous and various Spitfire 1300 and 1500 heads in different stages; some disassembled and crack checked, others with completed valve jobs, some with work not started. I have not had time to check the casting numbers. If there are particular ones you would like let me know. If anyone is interested in any of this stuff you can contact me directly. Leftover stuff will find it's way to Ebay. I just couldn't let this stuff go to the scrap pile. To those interested...I have a set of new original Hepolite GT6 domed pistons in +.040 that I will be putting onto Ebay this weekend unless someone on the list needs them. From what I can tell they give 9.5/1 CR, and were used in the GT6 MkIII. Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'd prefer an FOT'er got any of this before Joe Ebayer. Thanks - Ed - From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 22:25:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any Know of a Bobsy Racer Message-ID: I've come across a pair of Bobsy rim; one is stamped Bobsy, the other is Bobsy styled, but no markings. Anyone know of someone who may be interested in these, please contact me off list. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 2 22:57:48 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:57:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD Message-ID: In 1997 I fitted a new MSD Digital 6, (they were out of MSD6ALs at the time) The unit is mounted on the supplied rubber bobbins. I have always used Magnecor Plug Wires, and NGK Plugs, (presently iridium) Originally, I had a new Lucas distributor, but it was already showing signs of distress at 12,000 miles and I replaced it with a Mallory dual-point, fitted with Pertronix from day one. Coil is an MSD Blaster 2 ? Perhaps I too am lucky, but I have never had any ignition problems with my set-up. Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 3 05:30:13 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Full Set Venolia Forged Pistons -TR-6 Message-ID: <008401c8dd00$28d4eac0$7a7ec040$@net> I have a new in the box set of 6 Venolia forged pistons complete with rings; pins and clips I seek a new home for. Before I put them on an auction site I wanted to open it to any FOT. These are in std size. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 3 09:56:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jul 3 10:07:25 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PEI soil is a bit different from the rest of Canada...its red. That will be very cool to have the TR6 against all that modern stuff...hope you show 'em whossier daddy. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Sent: July 3, 2008 11:57 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Championship On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:02:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45B280BD94-1360-B6E@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> What's with all the negative waves man?? (Donald Southerland, Kelly's Heroes). I've been fortunate to not have a failure, but I have heard of others that do.? Mine doesn't have a rev limiter, so I rely on my right foot as well.? I'd say that's reliable about 90% or the time.? Wilkins and Siam can check my math for me on that one... You going to make the Vegas race agian this year? Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:04:29 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:04:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45FCD76EEE-1360-B94@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Sorry everyone, just realized that I was responding to Henry Frye, not Henry Morrison.? All comments still apply except the Vegas question. Henry Morrison, if you're out there, you coming to Vegas this year? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jul 3 12:57:17 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >>> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 3 13:01:17 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:01:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2008 11:58:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. Au Contraire! (that's foreign talk ya know) Figure eight gaskets in ANY thickness are available from our own FOT Amigo Mordy Dunst at Gasket Works. Do a Google and he can solve all of your sealing issues. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:05:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:05:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 3 15:38:26 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002001c8dd55$20a7ddd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have been in contact with Kas and Glen Lund and upon re-checking and better measuring I think I have 0.0045 to 0.0060 with one "corner" on one sleeve at 0.007, if I believe the reading. Most readings are 0.004 and 0.005. I checked every 90 degrees on the top of the sleeve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'FOT' Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever feels and looks thinner at the time. Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned with lacquer thinner. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 3 18:02:33 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:02:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Good Evening May the force be with you. Interesting no one responded with any factual info on the real question It pretty easy to get well over 400 hp out of a Porsche 6, strip the 914 down to less than 1500 lbs, and setup a truly "go kart" handling.........I do not get the eight cylinder setup.... but then I still love driving my 1975 911s with it's own wavy back end Cary In a message dated 7/3/2008 2:06:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hottr6 at hotmail.com writes: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 20:30:56 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank scapers Message-ID: Amici, With all the discussion on TR4 crank scrapers, I see a TR6 variant at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200235513214 A teflon option is offered. Anyone know anything of these? Shane Ingate in NM PS Y'all have a wonderful and safe July 4! Happy Birthday, Yanks! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Jul 3 23:09:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of parts and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look out... tom From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 4 06:52:21 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered References: Message-ID: <000601c8ddd4$cd13a0c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Fantastic!! What great news to start the 4th of July. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered > on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of > parts > and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used > cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). > Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look > out... > > tom > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Jul 4 08:25:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:25:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seat status report Message-ID: <200807041425.m64EPRsb270779@ns3.geneseo.net> This message for all who have expressed interest in installing Miata seats in their street cars -- I installed Miata seats in my street TR6 two years ago. They were cheaper than rebuilding the stock seats, they transformed the comfort level of the car and they look good! However, the installation was difficult because of the difference in mounting to the floor. Because of the high level of interest on the Triumph lists, I will be offering a kit that makes the conversion really easy. The pre-production run is complete, parts are powder coated, and sample parts are on their way to two owners for trial installation. The kit will include adapter brackets and hardware necessary for the installation. Price for the kit will be $59.95. The kit should be available for sale in a couple of weeks. uncle jack From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 5 09:54:29 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine Message-ID: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. single cylinder monitoring etc ... I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to free. I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other thing I never use. (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings after 10:00 AM during the week. Good stuff needing a home... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 5 10:17:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine References: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c8deba$a654fc90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> This flies straight in the face of "he who dies with the most stuff wins". I may have to reevaluate my garage strategy. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine > Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? > This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... > scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. > single cylinder monitoring etc ... > I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. > You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be > somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to > free. > I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. > I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other > thing I never use. > (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) > For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. > 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings > after 10:00 AM during the week. > Good stuff needing a home... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 15:05:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:05:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers Message-ID: Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 5 15:50:28 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jul 5 16:05:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <001801c8deeb$4889cb50$0202a8c0@newcomputer> You can't buy advertising like that! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Jul 5 16:16:04 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <806765.48547.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So Justin, when are you going to offer a gasket for the TR2 to 4 range and for those of us with sidescreen cars who have the alloy valve cover? Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 5:50:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 16:27:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:27:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: Boy!!! He is really happy with you. Justified. I have three engines with your gasket installed. Joe > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jul 5 19:02:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liner protusion Message-ID: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks for all of input and individual help from a number of people. After following the correct procedure and re-measuring 4 different ways I have what I think to be 0.003 to 0.005 protrusion, should be good with a composite head gasket. Learned a lot. Thanks again to all who helped. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 5 19:18:18 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:18:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The most embarrassing race I've ever done References: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001001c8df06$3851ec70$6402a8c0@HOME> I've started 6th and came in 10th because lots of cars didn't finish. Wrong tire pressure was the cause. No corner I was able to get out full. http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4686367640133717637&hl=de The Sunday race was much better....I came up to 7th position and had a lot of fun. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Jul 6 18:17:04 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had to make minor "adjustments" with a file on all three of the cranks I have used. All three were short tail shaft cranks and used with the same I-J scraper and oil pan. Mike #28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 6 17:29:48 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:29:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 18:58:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Message-ID: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:38:37 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:50:19 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks like the attachment was blocked. I guess I don't know the rules on attachments. It is not possible or permitted with this distribution list? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael D. Hado Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM To: RACER BUD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:54:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:54:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location References: Message-ID: <000e01c8dfd4$69c4b8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Mike..Wonderful..A TR3 guy will be very happy soon Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Hado" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > Bud, > > See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The > screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are > small > enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. > > Mike Hado - Houston > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > > > Hi gang... > can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of > mounting > for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to > the > battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? > thanks > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 6 20:37:11 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jul 6 20:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001c8dfdc$512fb7a0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'll second that nomination. Andre has done a great job of restoring that car. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Jul 6 20:55:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080706.205525.4044.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I'll second another GT-6 owner/driver. Sounds to be headed for NASA. Bill GT-6+ On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 "Paul MacDonald" writes: > I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his > very > nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue > modifying > his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the > race > crowd, if not before. > > Here are a few words from Andre: > > > Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - > 2006. > I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing > the MK1 > to its ultimate potential. > > > I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped > GT6 or > Spitfire. > > > Bio on the GT6 > - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. > - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin > tails. > - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff > - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires > -Multipoint welded roll bar. > > May I have a second please? > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Free information on medical billing software from respected companies. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oiDnP3kI1C2QJt0mAgb9vpZ2Y0gngq1ajnQXYETUM4MFBHc/ From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 6 20:58:04 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080707025751.9D87918764B@autox.team.net> I'll second. Andre sounds like our kind of people... - Tony Drews At 09:37 PM 7/6/2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: >I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very >nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying >his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race >crowd, if not before. > >Here are a few words from Andre: > > >Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. >I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 >to its ultimate potential. > > >I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or >Spitfire. > > >Bio on the GT6 >- early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. >- Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. >- 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff >- 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires >-Multipoint welded roll bar. > >May I have a second please? > >Thanks > >Paul MacDonald > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Sun Jul 6 23:16:43 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c8dff0$a64da2b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> If this is the Andre with the powder blue GT6 I know from the GRM boards, I concur with the nomination. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Jul 7 06:44:58 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Message-ID: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Jul 7 07:31:41 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:31:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Andre R Message-ID: I also will second Andre, I know him, and he is perfect for FoT Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 7 07:46:15 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR4 gasket In-Reply-To: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B33@server.Triumph.local> Interesting post Don. One of Justin's light blue gaskets for the TR4 came with the spares stash I got with my race car. I tried it one weekend I was killing lots of mosquitoes from a valve cover gasket leak, the silicone gasket leaked worse than the cork ones! Your comment about the gaskets growing when hot makes me remember some sort of deal where Justin's early gaskets needed to be cured in some way. I don't remember the details. (Big surprise, huh?) So Justin, can you shed some light here? What do I need to do to make my blue gasket work? I've got a street TR4 I would like to use it on. FWIW, what I did on the race car was buy an alloy valve cover from Moss. It didn't even sit square on the head, so my machine shop had to square it up, then I had them cut a slot for an o-ring. So I have stupid money in that valve cover, but it goes on and off painlessly and never leaks. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: July 07, 2008 8:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Justin's TR6 gaskets > > I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it > glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. > Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it > feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend > to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes > into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. > Don From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 08:57:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Justin Wagner wrote: > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm I'm surprised that he didn't name his kids after you. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Mon Jul 7 10:17:32 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 9:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 11:48:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 igofaster at charter.net wrote: > there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate > Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a > Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! I think the T9 is a Ford tranny. As in Ford Sierra. > Pray for world peace, Amen. > Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:00:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car for rent in NE for Weekend of Watkins Glenn Grand Prix? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071100qdb2e4eel338944614dbe398e@mail.gmail.com> My wife and I will be attending the Vintage Grand Prix and Kastner Cup Triumph race in Watkins Glenn on Sept 7-9. We are flying in to somewhere in NY from Seattle. It would be really cool if we could rent a Triumph from some member for that time frame? Would insure it of course. Does anyone have a suggestion or a suitable car they might consider renting out to a TR6 street and race car owner who can only attend this event as a spectator? Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:02:36 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and I sure want to be with you all in the pits. -- Chuck Arnold From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Jul 7 14:14:00 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:14:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 4-7 Sept Message-ID: <07b301c8e06d$ff13e490$0201a8c0@Bevan> Guys I want to try and be there if I can - subject to wife's health and being able to get a US visa quickly. Your combined thoughts (off-list to avoid swamping it might be better?) regarding travel would be appreciated. 1. What is the closest international airport to the Glen? Currently I'm checking fares out of the UK from BHX, LGW and LHR to the various airports in New York state - i.e. JFK, NYC and La Guardia. If I do opt for a New York airport, is there anyone on the list travelling to the Glen from that general area from whom I could bum a lift? Happy to meet fuel costs if this will help. 2. If I can't get a lift, everyone's recommendations on the cheapest car rental firm would be appreciated. I want something small and cheap like a VW Golf/Rabbit. 3. What's the approximate driving time from New York to the Glen or from any other usable airport to the Glen? Looking forward to your thoughts Cheers, Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:29:06 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm glad you got this started:) If after Chuck procures his passes there are two that aren't going to be used that you (FOT) want to sell, Evelyn and I would like to be on the list. Look forward to seeing everybody. Marty Sukey > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn > > Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and > I sure want to be with you all in the pits. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:31:57 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team Sukey? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 15:02:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <070720082102.2798.487284540006315200000AEE2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: marty sukey > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. Irv From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jul 7 16:17:50 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Empty Trailer or Car Dolly Available Phoenix to Ann Arbor, Michigan Week of July 14th. Message-ID: <4872960E.9070909@charter.net> I'm moving my daughter from Michigan to Phoenix next week towing her car either with a tow dolly or on an open car trailer. I will be empty on the return trip. If anyone wants a car (small) towed back to Michigan from out west please contact me ASAP. Or if anyone would like to donate (or sell cheap) a nice rust free LBC to me I will give it a good home back in Michigan. Cost would be gas expense on return trip (negotiable). Please advise if you are interested Thanks Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer project three TR6's, TR250 and a Spit From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 7 19:03:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <1B506D8B.5794F019.00159EE9@cs.com> I plan to be there for a visit...i have an engine and transmission to finish for myself for THE GLEN and possibly the installation of a second one for THE GLEN, for someone else. That may divert my attentions. >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: marty sukey > >> Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team >> Sukey? > >I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. > >Irv >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Jul 7 20:08:45 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A80D8E49A6A43FAB93DDF1E05EC20F7@SohlPC> Marty, Linda and I will be there. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:19:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Message-ID: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:53:51 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 7 12:33:39 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: <4362ae390807071133m630d84e5xd7b5e6c13d64c4ad@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone. Glad to join. And yes, its a Ford T9 out of a Sierra. Not vintage legal I guess, but for the time being I'm enjoying it. A. From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:39:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: No reason to ask those guys, they wouldn't really know anyway. NGK is the plug any good motorcycle mechanic needed to know backwards and forwards. The next half step colder than BP6ES would be BP6EC, a full step colder is BP7ES. NGKs get colder the higher the number goes. E means 3/4 inch reach, H is half inch. B is the 14 MM (13/16) plug while D is the 12 MM (5/8). S is the hot end of the number range, C is the cold end. We always considered the C plug to be more of a racing plug, the design is different as well as being colder than the S. If you want the fine wire gold palladium version it's V, and it's the same heat range as the C plugs, so you'd want a BP6EV. Or you might go for the iridium center electrode which is I. P, by the way, means extended plug. I like the standard plugs a little better for most applications, so I'd go for a B6EC if I could find one. A lot of the plugs are not generally available, but motorcycle shops tend to have more access than parts stores. There are a lot more codes, NGK makes more specialized plugs than most manufacturers do (except Bosch). Their gold palladium plugs tend to be really good, you might want to try to find B6EV or BP6EV. Useless information cluttering up my head, like the decay chain for Uranium 238 (Thorium 234, Protactinium 234, Uranium 234, Thorium 230, Radium 226. Radon 222, Polonium 218, Lead 214, Bismuth 214, Polonium 214, Lead 210, Bismuth 210, Polonium 210, lead 205). But I have no idea where I put my keys. On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:53 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock > Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder > plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim hearn" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good >> performance from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high >> compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef >> which had >> a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 04:21:56 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 03:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589972.33956.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be there, but I'll be commuting. I have already blown my hotel budget for the year. Doug --- marty sukey wrote: > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti > next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with > Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 05:57:07 2008 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:57:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 debut Message-ID: <10307141.1215518228027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Amici: I don't expect to make a habit of it but add one more TR3 to this year's competitions list. The VSCCA Lime Rock event on the 5th of July saw this poor old Allard driver making his TR3 competitions debut. I drove the TR to the track, raced it in the rain and took it home safely again. Compared to the J2 Allard the TR seems a mite light on power but perhaps more controllable in the wet. After driving TR3s on the road for nearly forty years, I guess it was about time. best to all jimdonick From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 09:23:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need to "borrow" a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807080823s3a589f26o3a83be95cea5c34c@mail.gmail.com> For the PI metering unit: I broke the fitting that the return line screws into [over torqued it and broke the piece off inside the unit, but have gotten the broken piece out]. Does anyone have one I could get by Friday mail so I can install this weekend? I will get a replacment out of England to return to you. Thanks -- Chuck Arnold 2420 Westlake Ave N Seattle, Wa 98109 425-241-0457 From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 8 10:45:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FoT, At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. Thanks. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:56:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 12:06:11 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:06:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 12:07:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ambro 001 In-Reply-To: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <473048C7-17C7-47D7-90CC-AF281683CC7F@bnj.com> Since Peyote wasn't done in time, I raced the Ambro at the Pacific Northwest Historics last weekend. Didn't have time to do much to it before the race, and no time to familiarize myself. They put me in Group two which for this weekend is mostly sports racers. My best time for the weekend was 1:45 something, Peyote generally turns around 1:39-1:40. Not bad for the first time out. I developed an oil leak about two-thirds of the way through the feature race--a patch the modified oil filter adapter gave way. I got a meatball for smoking and pulled off the track into the infield immediately after seeing it to avoid oiling the track. In all, not a bad showing. The motor is weak, the car is probably 200 pounds heavier than Peyote, but it handles pretty well and has good brakes. It's very pretty--got lots of comments. I think I can get it up to Peyote level pretty easily. Here's a link to some shots Chuck Arnold took on the grid. http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/BillBabcockAndAmbro1AtFirstRace/photo#5219976110724929842 Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 8 13:24:42 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:24:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:44:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: In a message dated 07/08/2008 2:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time, rem9 at frontiernet.net writes: > I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike > Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique > individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be > missed. > Russ... I too knew Mike for many years and raced with him often at tracks out east. Great guy. Great attitude. He will be missed. Bill Dentinger ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:48:00 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:48:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm glad I met him. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 14:02:08 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:02:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <25460840.1215547328515.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken! Mike was very dear to me. One of the first TRiumph racers I met when our TR3 first went vintage racing. A very cool guy. I was aware that he was fighting cancer but tried to make a few VDCA races every year. Here is my favorite story: He'd taken to racing that darned 240Z instead of the GT6. I begged him to bring it back out, he belonged in it. He did. At the first race he'd run with it in a very long time I asked him how it was getting back in the GT6. "Just like sleeping with an old girlfriend"......classic! Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Russ Moore >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 8 14:49:30 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> Message-ID: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 8 15:49:38 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:49:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 headlight rims available Message-ID: Group, I have a 'mistaken order' on the shelf here, of a pair of TR-4 h-light rims still in their bag. What I 'really' need is one TR4-A rim. Figured I try you guys as a possibility. I have Moss #'s if needed. Thanks, Kevin 303 237-4248 klynch_6 at msn.com From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 8 16:13:04 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:13:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAF5EEDB38587-B98-40AE@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> I first met Mike back in the early-mid 70's when we both lived and autocrossed in Pittsburgh.? A great guy, he will be missed. Rich Rock From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 8 16:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: One thing about Wiseco pistons. If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. This is only for stock street engines. For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" clearance. So be careful. A word to melted pistons. Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve clearance. Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:03:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts Message-ID: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Jul 8 18:14:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 TR-6's for sale, Western MAssachusetts, S.VT Message-ID: <00a301c8e158$d25b9c90$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Don't email me with questions! These are in the local penny saver: -=-=-=- 1972 TR6 53,000 miles. Runs excellent. Very original. New shocks, springs, ignition. All hoses replaced, seals and gaskets in motor. extras. Appraised $11,000 413-684-2449 Dalton MA -=-=-=- 1974 TR6, maple convertible, tan top, newer interior, runs and looks great, no rust, 91k, classic British roadster, $6900. Wallingford VT 802-446-2267 -=-=-=- Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 18:27:04 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack Message-ID: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everybody, My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a better way to go than the stock rack? Thanks in advance, Mark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:49:31 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts Message-ID: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that Mark Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because they are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't tried calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers but they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't think the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. Thanks again, Tim From mdhado at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:52:33 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, you might try Automotive Racing Products at arp-bolts.com. They have hardened, parallel-ground washers in any size, with or without I.D. chamfers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:58:46 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002c01c8e15e$f1a97850$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Tim....ALL rod bolts/main bolts should be replaced every time..new bearings are inserted Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; "Ryan Murphy (work)" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that > Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because > they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't > tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers > but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't > think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 19:20:13 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:20:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts In-Reply-To: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <6D7B10BD-CD83-4529-95FB-5EBFCA0D8CF0@bnj.com> ARP can also supply head studs. I like the ones that are a little longer for the short corner bolts that often develop cracks in the block. You can drill and tap a couple more threads if you get a proper bottoming tap. On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I > have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I > can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" > that Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day > because they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but > haven't tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the > washers but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I > don't think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 8 20:01:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <2C4C00CF.43282F44.00159EE9@cs.com> that's two this year...with doc ceilley. from Boston. joe a >I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm >glad I met him. > > > >**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 8 20:51:05 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:51:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <48742799.6090908@bradakis.com> On a somewhat related side note, I pulled the head off a TR6 recently that came into the shop needing some work. Oddly enough, each and every head nut was installed upside down. I would assume that if whoever worked on it last just wasn't paying attention, some would be correct and some would be upside down, in a random pattern. But having them ALL be incorrect struck me as a bit odd. mjb. From jibjib at att.net Tue Jul 8 21:08:56 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <017501c8e171$21342a40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Tim, Ken G. has hardened washers, as well as double height nuts for heads, so the loading on each thread is lessened. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 21:22:09 2008 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil and zinc Message-ID: I just got a sale flyer from Goodson Tool and Machine(1-800-533-8010). They have a break in lube that contains zink. It is $21.99 and the part number is EOT=16. Thought this may be of interest. Lorne Fritz _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 8 21:31:00 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709034255.HMMT29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> FOT List member Bill Close makes a really trick rack. Maybe he will chime in At 05:27 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >better way to go than the stock rack? > >Thanks in advance, >Mark >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:18:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to cool a plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained high revving. -----Original Message----- From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM To: jim hearn Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Jim- The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new stock # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't recover & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell to my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. Fred Hodgson _____ > From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:31:47 2008 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for five years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss quick ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so familiar with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i got it . old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i didnt do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle 144.3 last weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. jeff quick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > Hi Everybody, > > My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a > steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a > better way to go than the stock rack? > > Thanks in advance, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:57:03 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: It would probably be fine. On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 PM, jim hearn wrote: > Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to > cool a > plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained > high > revving. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM > To: jim hearn > Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > Jim- > > The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new > stock > # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. > NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all > impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't > recover > & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a > stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high > enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying > the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, > non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell > to > my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. > > Fred Hodgson > > > > > _____ > > >> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 >> >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance > from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high > compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:58:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: That's a pretty good time at Pacific Raceway On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:31 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for > five > years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss > quick > ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so > familiar > with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i > got it . > old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i > didnt > do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle > 144.3 last > weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. > jeff quick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Vaden" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >> steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >> better way to go than the stock rack? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 9 00:07:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Holes in the center of a piston are from PRE- IGNITION, cracks along the side and broken rings and damage on the edge of the piston is from detonation. Detonation will generally be the most evident at the exhaust valve side of the piston. Pre-ignition can be caused by too lean mixture, to hot of spark plugs or sharp edges in the combustion chamber. (head gasket intruding into the combustion chamber) and other stuff like an air leak at the inlet manifold. Detonation is generally caused by too much spark advance, lean mixture, poor quality gasoline. -------------------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:27 PM To: ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > One thing about Wiseco pistons. > If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. > This is only for stock street engines. > For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" > clearance. > So be careful. > > A word to melted pistons. > Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. > Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve > clearance. > Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 > An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. > > Steve B > ------Original Message------ > From: Bill Babcock > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air > leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. > Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy > to tell. > > I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I > think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through > cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into > the bottom end. > On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > >> FoT, >> At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on >> my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as >> replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago >> and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. >> Thanks. >> Ron Jacobs >> Western Eagle Racing >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 9 05:59:29 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:59:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAFD260913E28-2C8-4A7@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> This is a real bummer, he was a good guy. Richard said it well, Mike was the epitome of a Vintage Racer... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: 'Russ Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 9 09:08:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: AUTOBAHN Message-ID: <200807091509.m69F95Xg352014@ns3.geneseo.net> >Jack, > >There was a question about the test day at Autobahn. The note from Phil Cull >below says "yes" and gives the details. We expect over 100 race cars at the >event. > >Please pass this on, I am on the road...........Wismer > > > >************************************************************************* > >Bob: > >Yes it is very much on. > >It is a Autobahn function with mentoring from Tom Bagley. > >$150/day or $100 = day (PM). > >Phil; From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 9 09:31:20 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:31:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] hardened washers Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and > the > rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he > makes > sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head > which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but > they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and > they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still > got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the > rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground > washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing > the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and > maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new > at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the > size > needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who > would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jul 9 09:42:15 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74C8944D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Summit Racing sells these as a distributor, at somewhat lower prices than buying from ARP directly. Two days regular shipping to Appleton, probably the same to Fond du Lac. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan.Murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts > and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on > fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, > especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the > washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and > obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain > washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and > they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering > if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good > hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's > tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. > This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using > these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in > the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with > a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.w ebshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 9 10:25:49 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers References: Message-ID: <04bd01c8e1e0$7400c2f0$b0660143@your55e5f9e3d2> Caterpillar has some hardened washers and sell in slmall quantity at the local dealer. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers > In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> To: "'FOT'" >> Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" >> >> >> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts >> and >> the >> rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he >> makes >> sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder >> head >> which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss >> but >> they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file >> and >> they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, >> almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they >> still >> got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of >> the >> rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and >> ground >> washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending >> causing >> the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed >> and >> maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty >> new >> at this and still have a lot to learn. >> >> Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the >> size >> needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier >> who >> would sell just 20 or so. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 > > Tim, > > ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need > measurements when ordering, including thickness. > > Also get their catalogs. > > Leon > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 6:33 AM From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jul 9 11:36:53 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <16255821.1215625013984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We just happen to be in Atlanta this week to visit family. Ive found out that his memorial wake will be at 2:00 tomorrow at St John Neuman. Kathy and I will attend and offer our condolences to Claire from our group. Mike Munson # 28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 4:49 PM >To: 'Russ Moore' , fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost > >If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character >is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or >two. > >Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. > >Richard Taylor > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Russ Moore >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 11:49:37 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:49:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Message-ID: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob From vanlake at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 11:52:27 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:52:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spark plug gaps Message-ID: <070920081752.19390.4874FADB0004C4B100004BBE22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Since we are on the subject of spark plugs, what plug gap do you recommend when using the BP7ES in the TR6 race motor w/MSD units? From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 15:46:59 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Message-ID: <000001c8e20d$51383730$f3a8a590$@racer@comcast.net> Nice photo of Joe Alexander's AMBRO project car which appears in the current issue (Sept.) of Classic Motorsports magazine. This one was taken a few months back at WyoTech in Wyoming where some of their students have performed work on the car. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 9 18:55:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened and Ground Washers Message-ID: <001c01c8e227$b5908b50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied, especially the info that Summit Racing has the ARP Chromemoly washers at a good price and quick delivery to my area. I ordered them today from Summit and also a catalog from ARP. Thanks again for the great response. Tim From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 9 21:30:33 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 9 22:47:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080710044745.FFCR7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? I've got an old test report for the TR2 that gives drag at 10 mph as 29 lb; and at 60 mph as 112 lb. Should be able to calculate CdA (drag coefficient times frontal area) from that (making a few assumptions like both the Cd and drag due to other factors remaining constant), but I'm too lazy to work out the math. BTW, any idea if the numbers you linked to are with top up or down ? Randall From jibjib at att.net Wed Jul 9 23:26:40 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020c01c8e24d$892d5db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 10 07:41:05 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 07:45:34 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:45:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: > Ken, > > It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far > too high. > Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:41:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > >> Ken, >> >> It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . >> it's far >> too high. >> > > Jack (Ken)... > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Wed Jul 9 17:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Why would it be any higher than a TR4? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs >> > > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:57:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8930BDF8-AC84-475A-87F2-BFD8FD869443@bnj.com> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aeorodynamic, modern" triumph On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Why would it be any higher than a TR4? > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected > Triumphs > > >>>> >>> Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 09:07:17 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 09:11:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:11:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. Bill Dentinger ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 09:18:46 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:18:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Message-ID: Lack of fuel? More pump pressure - larger float valve - larger connection between float chamber and jet? Hope this helps? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 17:07 An: dale oesterle Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] spitfire woes Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 10 10:24:38 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <00b701c8e2a9$7324ef90$0302a8c0@Charly> I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like shape. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph >> > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all > 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had > a heavy > design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its > release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. > > The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jul 10 10:40:54 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:40:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2008 9:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected Triumphs > To: , , > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic > designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, > the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the > TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like > shape. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Red Triumph Vitesse = flying brick. No comment on the CD, but as it somehow gets all the way up to 120mph before the front starts to lift, (dangerously), I class that as nothing short of a miracle, (or power to weight ratio), but then again NASA says bees can't fly! If I'd been interested in CD then I'd have bought that Lotus Elan instead! L http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 11:09:04 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Message-ID: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. http://www.formula1.com/ Very cool, even without the video. Cheers, Bill Sohl From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:18:21 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> it was on Fox out here..norcal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points > lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off > at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it > anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. > The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I > ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 11:29:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:29:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 11:31:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:31:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: I watch F1 but my hard goes with sports car races. But I have an onboard of where my next race takes place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yZl2JWoRU -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 19:29 An: Bill Sohl; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:47:53 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a problem a friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of the hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed just like a check valve. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dale oesterle Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jul 10 11:44:29 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <002401c8e2b4$9a8865c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> I was there in the rain at the Silverstone Racing Club's .... watching them all come through Brooklands, round Luffield and Club ..... where Massa spun a few times (and Webber) .... Hamilton was peerless .... twitchy in the big puddles, but only one little off that I saw ...... whatever he has got is very special. Ive seen little better. Shame about Coulthard ..... I had my Saltire flying for a fellow Scot, but it just wasnt his day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Bill Sohl" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > it was on Fox out here..norcal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sohl" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > >> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the >> points >> lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off >> at 46. >> >> I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it >> anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. >> The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I >> ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. >> >> http://www.formula1.com/ >> >> Very cool, even without the video. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill Sohl >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 10 17:33:44 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Seero - Steve_McQueen - Bullitt Chase Scene on video and Google Maps--Cool Message-ID: <20080710234149.EMAB28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Very cool. Watch the chase on the left side of the screen and follow it via GPS on a Google Map on the right side. >http://www.seero.com/video/Steve_McQueen_3 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jul 10 19:51:19 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:51:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <20080710.215119.23369.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> I had a similar problem at 6000 rpm on my TR3. I had to soft mount the carbs on the manifolds. I used a Weber soft mount kit and adapted it to my TR manifold. The Weber one is basically an aluminum plate with a 1/2 O-ring on each side. The carb mounting nuts also have a thick rubbery washer between them and the carb body, so that there is some play there. Just get it tight enough to seal, but not so tight that it is all solid. Come to think of it I had a similar issue with my Spitfire, but I never had it on a dyno and did not know better. I just made the jetting real rich and it worked, but tended to foul plugs when going slow. Joe(B) -- dale oesterle wrote: Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/JKFkuJO6pj12kQRWVyRJZm5qW8fgIT m4mxDkcTIBNMsu4D6pibHbWy/ From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jul 10 17:20:29 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> What is your Fuel Pressure??? John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "dale oesterle" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis > dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the > fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any > ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=53A61741F9.579AF From srcypher at mac.com Thu Jul 10 20:04:36 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <3944492F-5E07-421D-97A6-7BE66BC1A4EF@mac.com> Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a dyno... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 15:59:49 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:59:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Sump Message-ID: <000d01c8e2d8$476fed30$6402a8c0@HOME> As you sometimes are refering about crank scrapers and sump bevels....did one ever test them? This is how to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc& Cheers Chris From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 20:45:57 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:45:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <071120080245.16051.4876C9650003505600003EB322120207840A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> I've seen valve float on the dyno. Looks pretty much like what you descibe Dayle. Pulls well until it hits a magic number, then all hell breaks loose. Easy to check. Pull a couple valve springs and check them...if you are a place with a chassis dyno, there should be a valve spring checker near by. Back to back with a new set found about 40 lb difference. Also, beware that I've found Isky has quit selling the good spring sets for the Spits. We are trying to find a suitable alternative, but haven't come up with anything yet. aaron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a > dyno... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > _______________________________________________ From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 10 21:18:06 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c8e304$bde95920$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Bill, Nope, I missed adding the . Sorry. I've always felt the 3 was an aerodynamic nightmare, but in reality, it may be better than the 4-6's. It would be interesting to get a side by side comparison. I've even more sorry I missed the weekend at Pacific Raceways. Things got crazy here and I didn't realize it was "that weekend" until Sunday night. Grrrr. Yeah, I know it's the 4th, but I just didn't "get it". Sorry for the confusion. Jack _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: jibjib at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:46:10 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:46:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: The FOX-carried F1 races run on a fox affiliate on Sunday and speedvision on wednesday. I avoided F1 news until wednesday because I haven't figured out how to get the FOX show tivo'ed. It was a great race, well worth digging up to watch it. If you're a race fan and don't have Tivo you're nutz. Really, you've got to see this race. Hamilton's driving was superb, amazing, inspired. I've driven high performance race cars in the rain a lot (in Portland you learn to race in the rain or you don't race) and I have NO idea how he does it. The camera coverage was amazing-- every spin and screw up had at least four or five camera angles. Masa was spinning everywhere, his car was clearly not set up properly--he's usually very good in the wet. Kimi drove a great race, so did Kovalinen. Rubens Bariccello came from a Q1 qualifying position to finish third. Drove the wheels off that crappy honda, but was also greatly aided by the right tire strategy--full wets while everyone else was trying to use a drying track to get away with inters. Some laps he was SEVEN SECONDS faster than P1. Even Kimi--the king of catching a sliding car, did a spin. Heidfeld finally drove a good solid race for second. Excellent, excellent race. Diane was yelling and screaming so much I had to replay everything twice just to hear what was going on. She's become quite an F1 fan. Only sporting event she'll watch, but she's super hooked. She even watches most practices and never misses qualifying. F1 has become a pretty big Sunday morning deal at Casa Babcock. Champagne, strawberries and omelets, good Kona coffee. These fox races are a pain in the neck. I think I have it set for the German GP, but we'll see. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Bill Sohl wrote: > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the > points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 > points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find > it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried > by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or > fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via > Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:05:15 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <756DB0E6-1555-4802-BFA3-6121EEB78572@bnj.com> Oooh. That's nasty. I bet that drove him nutz. I had an overtemp problem with Peyote for awhile that turned out to be the intake hose sucking flat. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a > problem a > friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of > the > hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed > just > like a check valve. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of dale oesterle > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > > > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno > and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/ > air goes > to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale > Oesterle _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 22:14:11 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Message-ID: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:33:33 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 22:46:11 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c8e311$0b2d0c70$0202a8c0@newcomputer> 178 mph, NOT TOO BAD FOR A Chevy! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Jul 11 05:40:30 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:40:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8e34a$eca090d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> We watch Top Gear on the BBC America channel of Direct TV. Funny stuff. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:34 AM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26- 4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 06:38:11 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002f01c8e352$fbb9f270$0200a8c0@Desktop> Because Top Gear is good at it and not owned by NASCAR/Toyota ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Gary Horstkorta" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! > My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't > Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and > very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van > around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real > car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE > > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > >> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed >> around >> the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, >> have a >> look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds >> ranging from >> 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri >> ng-attack/ >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 11 09:31:26 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rob Stewart please contact me Message-ID: <005201c8e36b$2eab8e60$8c02ab20$@net> Sorry to bomb the list but I don't have Rob's current e-mail. Russ Moore From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 09:55:21 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri Jul 11 10:27:52 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films Message-ID: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> http://www.pirellifilm.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 11:08:39 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <610802.80453.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I should have mentioned that two of the road tests also presented data for the TR2 in "Speed Trim". The drag coefficient was reduced about 10%, but the frontal area was also reduced to 12.15 sq ft, so the overall drag was reduced a total of 30%. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Young To: Ken Gano palm top ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:55:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 11 11:12:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Unfortunately, the numbers were > not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 > with > 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is > 15.5 sq ft. Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably add another 0.1. > The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 > would > be a good number. Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were supplied. > I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Sure, I'd like a copy. Thanks, Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 11 18:14:01 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films In-Reply-To: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03 .cox.net> References: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <20080712001351.BBF22187648@autox.team.net> Wow. I LOVE Uma Thurmann. I'm pretty sure she digs me too. :) - Tony At 11:27 AM 7/11/2008, David W. Riddle wrote: >http://www.pirellifilm.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 19:12:14 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale Message-ID: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct with him. Nothing in it for me. Dean T, TR3A58 at verizon.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 11 22:37:59 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for transmission cross shaft Message-ID: <000001c8e3d9$10113270$6401a8c0@blake1> I need a replacement Clutch Cross Shaft for my TR6 transmission along with a release fork. If anyone has measurements for the shaft, I think I could make it easily enough. Does anyone have a spare release fork they can part with? Thanks, Greg From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 17:46:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:46:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale References: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002701c8e3b0$4762b6a0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Does anyone know of other commonly available diffs with limited slip that can be used in solid axle TR rears? i.e. 28 SPLINE 8.8 POSI LIMITED SLIP FORD RACING 4.10 GEARS commonly found on ebay for about $300. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale > A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale > complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used > briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street > car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal > at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if > interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct > with him. Nothing in it for me. > > Dean T, > TR3A58 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 16:20:08 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Greg Message-ID: <615571.60942.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Excuse me, but Greenman - off the list please. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 13 16:21:47 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:21:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the wet so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are causing quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is a check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in the case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. What do you folks do? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 16:56:47 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:56:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <000401c8e53b$baf72790$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Hi Marty One way valve .... I have one on my ally tank in the TR4 and it stops this on the rally stages and tests ATL supply a good one, so do EarlParts and Goodrich. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 16:59:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:59:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 17:04:41 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:04:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <000b01c8e53c$d50dd0b0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Oh .... and a U bend in the vent line ..... rest as Bid says .... Ill send you a pic if that helps, but I have a 60 litre tank on board so comparisons will stop there .... ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "marty sukey" ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the > level > of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where > the > original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as > possible > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marty sukey" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the >> wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is >> a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in >> the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. >> What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:05:24 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:05:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:03:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud Run it up as high as possible as Bud advises but add a loop as an air trap. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 13 17:08:28 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <001c01c8e53d$5d5582b0$6401a8c0@S1099895562> Had the same issue here. Vent hose runs from top of fuel cell to a bulkhead fitting through the trunk floor. First time I used it there were getting panicked calls from corners that I was dumping fuel. (jeez, people, it evaporates quickly.) One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:09:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:09:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:08:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. Clever! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:31:08 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: route it up high and put an air filter on it. On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in > the wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. > There is a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of > business in the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard > corners. What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:35:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as high as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will generally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. On Jul 13, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > route it up high and put an air filter on it. > On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in >> the wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. >> There is a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of >> business in the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard >> corners. What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 14 08:40:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:40:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Seat Conversion Kit-Miata Seats Uncle Jack Message-ID: List NFI: I just got word that Uncle Jack just placed an order from my son for 25 kits...this was after two successful trial installations to prove the concept. I suspect that these first 25 kits will not last long. You might contact Uncle Jack and get your name in the que so that he may place an order for a second production run. Made on production tooling and powder coated....nicely done and with instructions. Contact Uncle Jack at vinttr4 at geneseo.net He will be around most of the week and then we are off to Road America. Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 10:16:55 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:16:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as h igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will gener ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. >> I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. When people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were referring to th e rubber flapper in the fill pipe. During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I didn't have a vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the fuel to keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to work. Maybe the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come in off of the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my calibrated dipstick. I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any suggestions ? ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 14 11:27:08 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:27:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PCV valve - $1.99 anywhere. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because > it will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged > off. When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow > the fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I > come in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 12:05:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:05:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally the vent connector for the fuel cell has a check valve in it. That's true in all the ATL cells I've used or seen. On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it > will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. > When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the > fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come > in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Billbab at gmail.com www.kenalu.com www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 12:15:37 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:15:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/08 8:12:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: << The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy de sign influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its releas e. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. >> My son raced his blue TR-7 in ITB this weekend. It looks a little like a lengthily cigar. It did have a heavy design influence at 2400 plus pounds. It doesn't accelerate very well, especially with his 260 pounds in it. ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 13:09:57 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Marty, Some folk suggested terminating the vent line with a air filter. Expensive. Use a gas filter. Cheaper and does a better job. Shane Ingate in dusty NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From rikrock at aol.com Mon Jul 14 16:22:06 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Torque Plate? Message-ID: <8CAB4172F0C78F1-1430-2B3F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Anyone have one they would be willing to rent or sell? Thanks! Rich Rock Pottstown, PA 610-804-9047 (cell) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 07:58:40 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, This is NOT my car. There's a GT3 TR6 for sale on the NER web site. The car is owned by a guy named Tony Martin and the price is pretty cheap (the advert lists $8500 OBO). I haven't seen the car race for a while, but this used to be a wicked fast car and may still own a couple of track records on tracks in the northeast. At any rate, got to: www.ner.org and then follow the links to "classifieds" to see the advert. It appears that Tony might be in some hurry to sell the car, hence the low price. He had been asking as much as $12.5k in the recent past. I'm sure there are updates that could be done to the car to make it better (last I knew he was running stock TR6 hubs, but that was a LONG time ago). And the car could likely be "downgraded" to run EP in SCCA. It'd take a tonne to get the car vintage legal, but it's probably do-able. I have no financial interest in this, just putting it "out there" because I am semi-familiar with the car. regards, rml NER is New England Region SCCA. The car is in Dartmouth, MA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 08:44:53 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. BTW, the numbers that are posted on the Mayfield site come from a DOS program called CarTest. There is no telling how reliable those numbers are. I've attached a copy of the spreadsheet and realize it will not go through to the FoT list. Randall wrote: >> Unfortunately, the numbers were >> not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 >> with >> 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is >> 15.5 sq ft. >> > > Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably > add another 0.1. > > >> The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 >> would >> be a good number. >> > > Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. > Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall > drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were > supplied. > > >> I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. >> > > Sure, I'd like a copy. > > Thanks, > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:43:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, A few folks reported that they couldn't find the link to the classifieds, so if you want to peek at the GT3 TR6 advert, try this: http://www.ner.org/forums/index.php/topic,56.0.html rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:57:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 f/s Message-ID: Here's the text from the ad... Very competitive regional race car . Fresh motor, car has been inside garage stored for its entire race history. Must sell $8500.00 OBO. Call or E mail for additional specs.Tony Martin 508-997-7291 pitstop851 at verizon.net The car was listed on www.race-cars.com a while back for more $$$$ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Jul 15 11:08:37 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller radiator opening. That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold my 2). Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Randall ; Ken Gano, home ; jibjib at att.net Cc: FOT Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 11:58:22 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> The TR3 test was for a small mouth. All of these early road tests seem to have used a 3.7 rearend. Based on the graphs in the articles, 3.7 OD was perfect for the Jabekke runs (max power at max speed). In stock trim, it looks like a 4.1 rear would have been better. In fact, I thought many/most of the early OD cars were sold with a 4.1 rear. With the 3.7, 4th OD was too high and 4th was too low. A 4.1 in OD might have cracked 110mph. You'd think Triumph would have capitalized on this. Larry Young Terry Stetler wrote: > I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller > radiator opening. > > That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold > my 2). > > Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 15 12:16:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. Randall From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Jul 14 21:20:56 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:20:56 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004601c8e629$cc42da00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> How is this Cd measurement taken? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. > > Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't > seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic > difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Jul 15 20:59:48 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length Message-ID: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and I don't..... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 16 10:14:09 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is it. Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 10:30:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: Message-ID: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 rather than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas changed. Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with the 2.5 liter engine. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > > If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is > it. > > Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > ly_safety_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:19:09 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were going to be lose a radiator. I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in the horsepower race. One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > rather > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > changed. > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > the 2.5 liter engine. > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 >> >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > is >> it. >> >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >> > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami >> ly_safety_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:21:44 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:21:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Kas, That is good information and not unexpected as far as the revs go. I have a small bearig 1296 Spit engine that shares a lot of attributes with that 2.0 liter engine and using your preparation guide as a resource I have it beefed up, and with the electronic Fuel injection I built, I have has it up to 8000 rpm for short intervals and so far it is holding together just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine > (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and > rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up > of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of > this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the > little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that > series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were > going to be lose a radiator. > > I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the > stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that > there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in > truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in > the horsepower race. > > One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to > visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments > holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the > revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. > He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) > he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the > ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > > rather > > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > > changed. > > > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > > the 2.5 liter engine. > > > > Joe C. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shane Ingate" > > To: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > >> > >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > > is > >> it. > >> > >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > >> > > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > >> ly_safety_072008 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:28:50 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:28:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length In-Reply-To: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> References: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, I just went thru this on a TR4 - I assume your dealing with a Spit, so my #s won't help you. But... contact your cam manufacturer for the specs. For the TR they were 100lbs at 1.625" installed height. They didn't give a spec for rate so I didn't worry about it. However, the very cool, computerized, "spring dyno" I used, calculated the actual rate at about a 293 average for all 8 [sounds like a very nice number but actually means nothing to me!]. To measure, you need to mic. the retainer thickness [in my case . 135"] and add that to the installed height. The total will be the number you're looking for and at that [installed] height you want the spec number given. Mine were a bit stronger than spec at 109lb avg. but within my comfort zone. Measuring the [actual] installed height is the tedious part. It is hard to get any measuring device in where you need it, so make yourself a gauge. I took a piece of straight, stiff wire and cut it to 1.625". The idea is to measure between the spring landing at the head and the landing step for the outer spring on the retainer. One method [easiest] is to install the valve, retainer and keepers but no springs and pull to full extension and measure - I found it much more accurate and only a bit more time consuming to assemble each valve using only the inner spring. Now stick your gauge between the spring landings and use feeler gauges to figure the gap - this number will be the height of any shims you may [probably] need. Remember that no two valves are likely to be the same. How much each valve and seat has been ground dictates the height. This is just my way of doing it. I'm sure others have different [easier?] ways. Hope it's of some help. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the > spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a > torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length > (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and > I don't..... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:42:15 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 Message-ID: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> FYI to FoT, Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that they will get to the bottom of it. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 13:22:20 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 References: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011f01c8e779$44d68e30$0200a8c0@Desktop> Greg Sound like this guy Ken is good people and will stay after until he gets it right....it feels good when you guys that Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 > FYI to FoT, > Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. > While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came > from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the > impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that > they will get to the bottom of it. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 03:56:16 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:56:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170256w76a7558v2f09e3c09c5c2b79@mail.gmail.com> Love my 2.0, but have not tried it beyond 6K. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 06:32:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170532t195adc15x9e38f842e98ece33@mail.gmail.com> I love my 2.0, but have not taken it above 6K :) A. From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 07:14:05 2008 From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Message-ID: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 07:34:33 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 09:38:54 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Test Post Message-ID: <4362ae390807170838v16dc8701t3df7d70f510e581d@mail.gmail.com> Just seeing if I can post. Cheers. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 10:24:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 10:33:49 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 10:50:12 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:18:38 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c8e839$88c60d80$9a522880$@net> Not to worry, the Speke built cars are not well known for their longevity.................... Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Stetler Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:34 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 12:26:48 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:26:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <8CAB651CF0B7C04-9B4-210@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) ==AM== You are correct; it can't be a 1961 and almost definitely is a 1963! (Technically, the displacement should be 1147cc, not 1300cc, but that's another story, I suppose....) I always get a bit of a kick out of folks who claim their US - spec. early Spitfire 4 is a 1962 model...especially since the cars weren't even introduced to the US press until January 1963! ;-) --Andy Mace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:32:06 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 12:58:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... > Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John > Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is > up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list > Racer Bud > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at dcphotos.com Thu Jul 17 13:15:04 2008 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:15:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 13:17:57 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:17:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003d01c8e841$d2bf2680$783d7380$@aero> I know what you mean; my '79' Spitfire is really a "78" (vertical radiator). I understand BL dealers often titled cars in the year they were sold and believe this is one of them. I was at the local tax office this week, getting antique plates issued (no annual inspection!) and asked to have it corrected. The commission number is also incorrect on the title. The answer from the very nice lady was that it was going to cost me $60+ to change a typo. Never mind. As for the Monterey List; How can you "backdate" a car two years earlier into a model year that did not exist? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:58 PM To: Russ Moore; 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 13:41:34 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801c8e845$20786e10$61694a30$@net> ......1147cc actually with a FC prefix engine. Most vintage groups don't raise a serious stink whether an early (round tail)car has the FC 1147; the FD or FE small crank 1296 or the FK large crank 1296 as long as the engine size is represented properly when entering an event. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Couch Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 15:41:29 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry Database http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 for sure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 15:50:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:50:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <009801c8e857$2f497080$2d02a8c0@Belkin> According to the BMIHT 1573 was the first Spitfire made in 1963. So anything earlier than that would of course be a 1962. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: "'Russ Moore'" ; "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry > Database > > http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm > > the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 > for sure. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Russ Moore > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM > To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE > BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The > entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 17 16:02:30 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 16:21:33 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:21:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be around. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Brooks To: fubog1 at aol.com ; bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 16:28:02 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <4944FC7F-FC59-468F-B89B-9211E9AE5A46@bnj.com> Anyone that has seen Kas' TR250K knows what the TR7 should have looked like. We'd ALL want one of those. It's the only car in the Hart collection that I've begged for, and there were plenty of cool cars in that collection. On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be > around. > > Terry > -- > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 17:21:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:21:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: I'm selling a bunch of TR3 transmissions and other parts on ebay. If anyone needs anything TR3-ish you might drop me a line, I'm cleaning the shop. I have too many TR3 transmissions, a couple of complete rear ends (new brakes and bearings) and boxes of dusty parts. I need to make room to work. I also have an overdrive case and various plates, springs, hubs and parts. I confess I don't know anything about overdrives From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:39:28 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen Message-ID: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing something, but I like to very well informed. I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or should I aim for other locations. Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:54:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <53435E5D-77F7-4567-8828-EEE193AC0CFE@gt6.ca> They showed $50 for the camping off the Glen track site. A. On 17-Jul-08, at 8:51 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There is a KOA close to the glen, but as I recall, the tent camping > in the unrestricted areas is free or cheap right at the track. I'm > sure others can tell you more, but lots of people camp at the track, > and I don't think they were collecting anything but entry fees. > On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to >> do >> the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... >> >> Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing >> something, but I like to very well informed. >> >> I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or >> should I aim for other locations. >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 19:10:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:10:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <017201c8e873$11a57bc0$0302a8c0@Bud> what a life you guys have..that must be a beautiful place to camp! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 19:17:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16801CC5-2B64-419F-A6F2-10AA6309006A@gt6.ca> That would be fun. Even if I pay the fee, its all part of the experience. I'm going to wait to hear from a few more of my Ottawa friends. I'm kinda hoping to piggy back on them for food. One less thing to try and pack into the GT6. I mean all that Canadian Beer takes space eh. PS http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08raw/nikon/slides/DSCN3664.html On 17-Jul-08, at 9:11 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I will be camping at the Glen....in the Paddock. I expect some tents > to be erected near me in the Triumph Area of the Paddock. I cant > say for sure, but I think this will be OK. Sure OK with me. > > I am not anticipating a charge for this, but dont know. It's been > quite awhile since I have been there and things have changed. > > Joe Alexander -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 20:28:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, called Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, just over the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can make this up?) WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner worker. And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 20:34:27 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Bill. How's the weather around that time of year. A. Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 17-Jul-08, at 10:28 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, > called > Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, > just over > the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can > make > this up?) > WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers > available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner > worker. > And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. > Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 17 20:37:17 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3A help needed Message-ID: <631972.29759.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HELP!!!! I have a customer with a couple of TR3A things I dont have for him ... any help??? 1). He has a squeek in his steering column that he cant find... any usual (or unusual) spots to look???? 2). We need a fuel gauge for the same car. This is a restored car, but a street driver, not a show car so aftermarket may be okay if it looks the same.. Anyone have one they want to part with, and price? Thanks in advance, Tom From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 21:39:47 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:39:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 Message-ID: The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 07:46:25 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 References: Message-ID: <003801c8e8dc$ac00ec90$0302a8c0@Bud> That was a red one?..That's the only one I've seen there Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From d.hesse at charter.net Fri Jul 18 08:58:49 2008 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 7:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 18 11:19:23 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most Triumph addicted :). In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, d.hesse at charter.net writes: This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 13:21:12 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm, probably a good frame or two in the batch to replace my pretzel:) Marty > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 -0400> To: d.hesse at charter.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6> > Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most > Triumph addicted :). > > In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > d.hesse at charter.net writes:> > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports> Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group.> > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550> /attach/July%202008.pdf> > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6> Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods,> and other body> parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames> plus bolt on fenders> to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames.> Engines are rusted> and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru> Roadster Factory> and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some> starters, generator> cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for> vintage vehicles and> cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There> are no> guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would> like to pass on> automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence.> Stored 7 miles off> I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309)> 292-2795.> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:05 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> Message-ID: <20080718172205.0P74M.14418.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:43 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718172243.NH2X6.14431.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Jul 18 17:16:00 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Rob, I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was hoping to send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the files are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 19:55:22 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap Message-ID: A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jul 18 20:00:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:00:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's item! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.team.net/archive From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:01:49 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: Message-ID: <000701c8e943$68a7b0c0$0302a8c0@Bud> How about lap times before ..and..after the Beer? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "6 Digest" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "FOT" ; "TriumphList" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap >A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:07:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:07:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <001f01c8e944$4404eac0$0302a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..boy do you guys have fun,,,In Central/Northern Ca,.it's almost like Triumph race cars never existed...Maybe the Coast is now in 'Idaho' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'marty sukey'" ; "'6 Digest'" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "'FOT'" ; "'TriumphList'" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's > item! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > marty > sukey > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM > To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList > Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > > A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 21:23:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it for you. On Jul 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Keith Files wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was > hoping to > send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the > files > are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. > > Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? > > Cheers, Keith. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc > > Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and > burning > a > CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well > as > posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player > thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 18 22:02:26 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats Message-ID: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> There was a thread a while back about Miata seats fitting into TR's narrow seatwells. I mentioned this to my buddy Loren Ziglin and he said he still has the two original seats he took out of his Spec Miata taking up room in the basement (near Madison WI). If anyone's in need they could drop him a line at lorenz at firstweber.com. NFA, don't know if he's thought of an asking price but the car was perfect and he's a totally straight shooter. At least except for giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero maintenance until I throw sockets at him. Gary Schneider From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 08:43:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 7:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA classification book show me E production... I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... Is this guy pulling my leg or what? Would like to confirm by the FoT.... Kindest regards, Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 20 09:04:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much difference anymore... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 20 09:33:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002801c8ea7d$fd602f90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bobby, It all depends what year SCCA rules your car was built to meet. CVAR uses 1972 rules, so unless you have documentation to support that your car was built to another year, or possible another race organization such as FIA, you will be classified according to the 1972 SCCA PCS. That states that you should be classified as DP. GT6's were fast cars so they got bumped up over the years. In 1969, as evidenced by the 1969 SCCA PCS that you can pull up through this link: http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm the SCCA classified the dual SU GT6 as EP. Since you have that set-up you should state on your Tech Declaration Form that you are running under 1969 rules and you will be OK as long as you meet the rest of the Specs. Your car is has decals stating it is an EP car because it came from the SVRA which separates GT6's into EP for SU's and DP for triple Webers. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 11:39:14 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission Message-ID: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Greetings again, After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did well in it's first race but a few issues surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any given stint. Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or so shifts. It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just yesterday with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm using Red Line 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be checked while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It seems like a good idea to do some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like clicking sound coming from the OD while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I have been told that third is troublesome anyway. It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat bushing upgrades to suit the J type OD. I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for racing, what would you do ? The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio changes ? While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race footage of a BMW with a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 &feature=related Thanks again, Jim Gray RMVR From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 11:44:40 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Message-ID: At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? ~Steve From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 11:56:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <8F626F23A8084C24A4C79F2CDE7FFDF1@KasPC> I ran GT-6 cars from 1967 thru 1972 and they were ALWAYS in E production category. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 12:00:57 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FAF1EA44BE44EB8A8D664A9AD517E79@KasPC> You are right Steve, I stand corrected. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's > winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much > difference > anymore... > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:04:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003e01c8ea93$1939ce50$0302a8c0@Bud> I raced D prod in my tr4s from 1970-1976...Gt6s and Datsun 2000s were my main competition..the Gt6 of course was a more advanced design...anyway...YES..they were dprod ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:10:20 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <004e01c8ea93$df85f750$0302a8c0@Bud> We always used the overdrive without all of the relays on top of the tranny... when you do a new tranny..weld an angle brace on(i think the non-starter side) where the bellhousing meets the trans racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did > well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm > using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I > have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 12:19:00 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720141900.TQTIB.246930.root@fepweb05> Thanks AGAIN to clarification... I'm not that fast yet to run DP with Bob Kramer and the Porsches.... 'course I'm still working on the 'seat time' ... shifting @5500 rev limiting 6000 rpm. Gosh I have the greenest eyes wishing I was going up to New York and Watkins Glen! Bob Kramer is headed up from Austin... I'm only about 200 miles farther north... I calculated about $700 fuel costs... plus plus plus... I've decided to finish out this year down here with CVAR, maybe make an out of state journey next year... Thanks Kas, Steve, and Bob K for the info on EP... Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ EP From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:43:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:43:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission In-Reply-To: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <255E36D0-50CD-4785-9A5F-50BFC96AF25A@bnj.com> If it were me I'd ditch the overdrive and go to a good dog box. Exactly what I plan to do with the Ambro. I like having the other ratios, but I don't really find an overdrive useful in a racing situation. You need to fiddle with it too much. If it were a five or six speed gearbox you'd just be shifting, but too often I find myself grabbing a lower gear and forgetting to switch the overdrive back so I don't get the gear I want. You can get used to anything, and I could probably come up with some automatic thing, like using a momentary button for the overdrive that would switch back to straight drive when I released it. But then I'd be getting used to that. I find four gears are adequate for most of the tracks I drive given the torquey TRactor motors we're using. A steel crank to let the engine rev (even if it's not making more ponies) and a well chosen rear end seem like a better choice. Might not be so with heavier cars, but seems right for me. At the price overdrives sell for these days you'd probably be most of the way to a dog box trans by selling what you have. I'd definitely want one in any street TR that I built as somewhat correct, so mine will probably go into the Red TR3 in my shop (in other words, that I wouldn't just stick a five or six speed trans into). Sequential gearboxes are great, but you have to get used to them too. When I was racing both a Radical and Peyote I had all kinds of goofy problems caused by forgetting what car I was in--like not being able to find the shift lever. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Jim Gray wrote: > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car > did well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts > in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another > ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid > just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and > I'm using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be > appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional > like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it > on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going > out. I have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding > ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar > race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:44:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1E72B7-5645-4164-8127-C3906A81A688@bnj.com> Depends on your advance curve. Mine is set for full advance at 2500 RPM, so I set it about 3000, but I blip to 6000 after it's set just to make sure the spark isn't bouncing around. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 19:01:38 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style > timing ray gun. I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" out here in Los Angeles. This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps the only 4 cyl car. About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my next VARA race. Anybody out there run a track day like this? Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Doug Fulk Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street Jet Patel john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street TKim william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 20 19:05:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721010536.F179E187658@autox.team.net> Rev it high enough that the timing mark stops moving, and use that RPM. Like Bill says, usually 2500 to 3000. - Tony At 12:44 PM 7/20/2008, Steven Belfer wrote: >At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > >~Steve From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 20:32:33 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:32:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP rod bolts [TR4] Message-ID: <3FAD879A-BCB2-4104-8724-C9988E1DE197@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anyone else noticed that the ARP rod bolts for TR4 [427 Ford] are . 003" smaller diameter at the shoulder than OEM? The "calibrated fingers" noticed a bit more slop in the rod cap and the dial caliper confirmed. Seems to me that this is just inviting misalignment or worse, a bit of "walking" room. They come with machined washers that have a inside bevel to clear a slight radius under the head. ARP insists that the washers must be used, but without the washer, the radius seems to nicely center the bolt. Also, using the washer, .060" of thread depth is lost. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence and I'm tempted not to use them. If our trusted wizards at Standard-Triumph bothered to put such a nicely machined .437" shoulder on their bolts, they probably had good reason. Thoughts anyone? P.S. This is for stock rods. P.P.S. Funny to think that 427 Ford rod bolts might not actually be big enough! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 22:38:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sure, all the time. Track time is track time. Just focus on doing the things you want to do. Underpowered doesn't mean much except that people who can't drive will blow by you in the straight and then suck in the corners, But you should probably have a list of things you want to work out. One of them is figuring out how to set your tire pressure and suspension. I think Kas' first book is pretty good for this stuff, but there are other guides to test and tune that can help you a lot. Just remember you aren't there to race with these guys. Truth is that a good mini van can set a faster time than most vintage race cars. Peyote does 1:29 something at PIR with the chicane, my Ferrari does 1:23 without breathing hard, with a passenger, the AC running, and the stereo blasting old Queen anthems. I've done 1:24 with one of those weird rally 323's years ago. 1:17 with my Radical. Doesn't matter. I'd rather race Peyote than any of those. On Jul 20, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:21:31 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Hi, Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final video output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out stuff to get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and see whatcha get. I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I have spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD output which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process took about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about the compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video makes HUGE files. rml p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems with his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the video overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But the interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good product, but the world of video on computer is fairly complex. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:44:41 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:44:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Amen. You need to edit video anyway so that someone else will want to watch it. sitting through a 30 minute race as raw footage is boring for everyone but the driver. Even a seven minute lap of the ring gets a little long for most people. I've found I can make a decent race video by concentrating on having a total length of three minutes. A better video is an entire event, including some non-track stuff, about five minutes long. You have to add titles to explain the sections and perhaps some voiceover. The downside is that producing an edited video five minutes long from an hour of raw video takes two or three hours of concentrated work. Figure twice the editing time per raw footage time. And that's if you're pretty good at it, have a good idea where the good stuff is, and understand the software. Inevitably you'll find that you've accidentally cut something you wanted to keep. The best way to do it is find some kid that likes playing with video editing and have them do it. I need to find another one, my video geek moved. Don't pay them, at least not in money. An occasional meal is good. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression > tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has > "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final > video > output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to > fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) > > But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out > stuff to > get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and > see > whatcha get. > > I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I > have > spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's > drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at > different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor > either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD > output > which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). > > I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process > took > about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. > > So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about > the > compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video > makes > HUGE files. > > rml > p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard > Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems > with > his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the > video > overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or > behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But > the > interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support > organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good > product, but > the world of video on computer is fairly complex. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:46:20 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let > you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must > do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to > any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it > for you. Youtube converts to flash, I think. Don't bother trying to upload high-quality - the conversion wrecks the video quality). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:49:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > At least except for > giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero > maintenance until I throw sockets at him. I heard this over the weekend: Miatas on track == track gnats I thought is was funny. > Gary Schneider rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 09:03:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop that I don't use. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > >> At least except for >> giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car >> with zero >> maintenance until I throw sockets at him. > > > I heard this over the weekend: > > Miatas on track == track gnats > > I thought is was funny. > >> Gary Schneider > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 21 09:21:18 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given the concept more than a passing thought! > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Robert Lang > Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > that I don't use. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 09:49:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 10:10:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Mon Jul 21 11:41:09 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> GT-40! Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no way and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the next week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. Then I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. I fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:05:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:05:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> Message-ID: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> That's a safe one to have in there..helps keep it full RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Henry Frye'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Miata seats > GT-40! > Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the > opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no > way > and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the > next > week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. > Then > I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. > I > fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM > To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that > way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want >> Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else > fills >> the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Henry Frye" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> > >> > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> > the concept more than a passing thought! >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> >> To: Robert Lang >> >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> >> that I don't use. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:16:28 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. Paul From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:27:59 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8eb5f$8185a8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:40:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. Yet that stil doesn't seem to be enough! Sigh!!!! :( Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:51:37 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats Message-ID: When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess that's why I'm still married after 32 years. Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: July 21, 2008 2:28 PM To: Paul MacDonald; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 13:02:03 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Curry wrote: > Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. > > I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a > totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a > separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler > from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. America - home of the free. My TOWN passed a "junker law". One unregistered car per street address. I had to cut up two TR6's and a Spitfire. They were _gone_ with no hope or restoring, but I really thought that it was a stupid law. In fact, I was at the town meeting where the law passed. But try getting up in front of 400 folks to explain that the Police Chief's ideas to keep crackheads out of town shouldn't be confused with a nutcase racer. That's way to much over the head of Joe Lunchbox let alone the _former_ plice chief. My solution is move to the country. If your neighbors can't see you, they can't compain about the "crap" in your yard. Oh and 'till my country estate plans materialize, I'lll _ALWAYS_ have a dead car in the yard. Heh - the LAW say's it's okay! Ever the Rabble Rouser, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:58:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:58:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats References: Message-ID: <009801c8eb63$bf0318c0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Paul, I guess we all have our own methodology. My own success at a 32 year marriage (yes I guess we both got hitched the same year) is to just ignore her. She hates my cars and my hobby and can'tfind anything redeeming about it. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats > When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak > of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special > suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time > justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what > clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the > boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess > that's why I'm still married after 32 years. > > Paul > > > I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of > us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and > there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent > "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 21 13:05:46 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807211205kb5dc337y559722063b33231a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3570.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3569.html :) From vanlake at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 21 14:09:40 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SILICONE GASKETS Message-ID: <072120082009.25918.4884ED04000154520000653E22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> There was a thread a couple weeks back dealing with Silicone valve cover gaskets. Could someone send me the address to the manufactures web-site or E-Address? Thanks! Mark From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 15:26:57 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:26:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb78$8106f9a0$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I do 6 track days a summer in my TR4 at Beaverun just north of Pittsburgh with cars like you listed. The others are modern and hugely fast compared to me. But it works out great because I make it easy for them to go by and they are gentlemen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > > Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires > 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race > andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street > Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street > craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race > Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street > David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Doug Fulk > Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street > Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street > Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race > Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race > Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street > Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street > Jet Patel > john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street > John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race > John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street > Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street > mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street > Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street > Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street > Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race > Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street > Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race > stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race > STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race > Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race > tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street > TKim > william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 18:49:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:49:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain > that way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want >> Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that >> thing..the Want >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 18:59:00 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:59:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb96$214ec010$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Considering that my job is moving to India the 15th of August, it is indeed pretty much "out of reach"! Joe C. _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:49 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 21 20:02:55 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... - Tony Quoting Henry Frye : > I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 20:16:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:16:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <022401c8eba0$ed3753e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I also drive a Miata on the streets Amazing car(mines a 1990 that my son gave me)...When I first got it, I told my racer friends who drive Miatas that i thought mine must have special handling stuff..They all said.."Nope..that's how they drive" Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps > some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... > > - Tony > > Quoting Henry Frye : > >> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> >> I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> the concept more than a passing thought! >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >>> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >>> To: Robert Lang >>> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >>> >>> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >>> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >>> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >>> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >>> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >>> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >>> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >>> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >>> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >>> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >>> that I don't use. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 07:24:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:24:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] I-J Scrapers Status Message-ID: Group Purchase-Quick note: My Ishahara-Johnson TR4 assembly is here. I have not installed windage tray and scraper with Teflon insert, but it is piece of metalworking art. Comment: We got under the price increase as the running changes with product improvements drove the price up. (Plus the 15% discount) I expect shipments to commence shortly and perhaps somewhat slowly. If I can expedite for 'hardship' cases I will. Looks like the process is worth the patience...my VISA Card has not been charged beyond the intial material purchase, so I continue to hold your checks. If you would like to jump in and add an order, please contact me and I will see what I can do. Regards, Joe Alexander From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 08:41:55 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:41:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 08:48:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Cary, SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in storefront windows at their reflections. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 09:03:50 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220803l3b3e0c71id21a692282224217@mail.gmail.com> What? http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2513.jpg 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > Cary, > > SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in > storefront windows at their reflections. > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > > Paul > > > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with > John > > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that > > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 09:08:11 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. John Buffum loves his TR8 and still uses it as a daily driver. BTW, if he had not a prior committment in rallying, John would be joining us at Watkins Glen. (Cary, I am still planning to head your way in October or November) Joe A > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize > that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > Cary > > > > From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Jul 22 09:19:46 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. Now we have three of the darn things...! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 09:36:30 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <00a401c8ec10$b6860f10$0302a8c0@Bud> the TR7 is way undervalued..the problem here in Ca. for a street TR7 is they have to be smogged Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me > his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some > modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was > comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. > > Now we have three of the darn things...! > > Susan :) > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT > To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about > anything. > > That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a > REMARKABLE car!. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 22 09:38:01 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:38:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in the September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations Kas and thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:28:12 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:28:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too true. We also always see ourselves from the front (flat stomach, firm chest, full head of hair) rather than the side. On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:41 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about > your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite > Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came > with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 > bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 09:44:28 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: and THANKS for the GREAT tech manuals from the factory days...I have em all, and they are still the 'Bible for Triumphs' prep basics.....Rick ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 22 09:46:27 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and wanted a V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought a TR8. After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the multiple car disorder for a long time too. Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly though, nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the point that I like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) and the square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear end of the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. Paul My Wedges http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 2.jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro BookBackSmall.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: TR7 Seats Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:59:58 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and > wanted a > V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought > a TR8. > After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the > multiple car > disorder for a long time too. > > Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly > though, > nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the > point that I > like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) > and the > square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear > end of > the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. > > The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. > > Paul > > My Wedges > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 > 2.jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro > BookBackSmall.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] > Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM > To: macdonaldp at rogers.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: TR7 Seats > > > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved > TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally > came > with John Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That > same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years > newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse > Fantasy > Football today. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:08:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:08:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better word picture than TVR and Griffen. I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went into the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. Bill Dentinger ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 10:18:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Did the offy intake and 4bbl number on a customer's car a few years ago and my oh my what a huge difference. I know there alot of things one can do to improve the brakes and handling, but just the little bit of parts swap on top of the motor did wonders. There is a neat Wedgie in the area into which a 3.8 camaro motor and 5 speed was installed. guy got the shell from Ted S and turned it into a really nice looking and driving car. I drove it a few months ago and it was at least as strong as the TR8. owner claims about 30 mpg on trips. he used all the GM injection and ignition bits. My only real complaint against wedgies is the lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" >> > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better > word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went > into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 10:40:38 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> That's what trailers were made for :) A. 2008/7/22 riverside : > My only real complaint against wedgies is the > lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the > wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. > > art de armond From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 11:41:30 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:41:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner In-Reply-To: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <97503DEB-0DE9-4EDE-8E75-2FA5F77C0818@earthlink.net> Great article indeed. The name game part helps explain something for me. Maybe it's just his way of having some fun. At the KC race at Miller last year, while sharing a bit of shade with the distinguished looking gentleman next to me, the man held out his hand and introduced himself as Ken [or so I thought]. It took a few minutes to realize he had likely said "Kas". In hindsight it was a bit embarrassing, but probably saved me the true embarrassment of stuttering, flailing around and kissing the ground he walked on. Thanks for everything you've done for our cars and our sport Mr Kastner. See you at the Glen. And I'll try to get the name right next time! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:38 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in > the > September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations > Kas and > thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 22 11:58:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <386611.55563.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The designer of that engine would be glad to hear that you liked it. Unfortunately, he passed away in April at the age of 92. Someone else wrote about a Wedge with a 3.8L V6 in it. There is more than just a GM family tie to those engines. The 3.8 is a cut down, bored/stroked version of the 3.5 in iron instead of aluminum. --- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central > Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > > > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and > TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > > > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR > issue, but a far better word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum > V8 engine that went into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a > GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up > for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 13:53:25 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > That's what trailers were made for :) > A. > > 2008/7/22 riverside : > >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >> >> art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 14:30:58 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the TR. Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. flip a coin to decide who rides where :) At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II wheels/tires. A. 2008/7/22 Craig : > Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > That's what trailers were made for :) >> A. >> >> 2008/7/22 riverside : >> >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>> >>> art de armond >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:02:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 16:22:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop><4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com><00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind one at that). I really like the convertibles though. I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:02 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:39:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221539x443db162p952a5fc86aa85ec8@mail.gmail.com> I'm just a hard top guy. If I were to own a racer Spit, it would have a hard top. (Pending my head/brain bucket fit under the roll bar.) For me, yes the GT6 gets a little warm, but I just find open top cars wear me out. The wind noise is too much for me to take. I edit video all day long, so sustained noise just bugs me. Now the GT6 is not exactly quite. Autocross in a 1968 Triumph GT6 Mk1 A. 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the > hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind > one at that). I really like the convertibles though. > > I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota > owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) > > Joe C. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 22 17:08:10 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] transportation needed Message-ID: <20080722230751.2FA30187647@autox.team.net> I have a Triumph TR6 frame and a long block TR6 engine I need transported from Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123 to Elkton, Maryland 21921 If this works for anyone with a trailer there is some bucks in it for you. Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM ph 505 362-4350 From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 17:24:50 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog rides up front! art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Craig" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the > TR. > Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. > > flip a coin to decide who rides where :) > > At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. > > Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II > wheels/tires. > > > A. > > 2008/7/22 Craig : > >> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats >> >> >> That's what trailers were made for :) >>> A. >>> >>> 2008/7/22 riverside : >>> >>> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>>> >>>> art de armond >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 17:39:33 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221639j256e9dc4o8d7da33285b3a57a@mail.gmail.com> Woof to that. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/images/fun/CodyWarburton.jpg 2008/7/22 riverside : > flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog > rides up front! > > art d From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jul 22 20:08:39 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> Message-ID: Kathy, Sam and I just got back from a ride in her TR8. The country roads around Bowling Green are perfect for Triumphs (and Corvettes). Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:00 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: Group44TR7 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 20:40:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Shirts and Baseball Caps- last call for orders and time to pay up! References: <000e01c8d48d$c51516b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D803943E91@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: <009301c8ec6d$80f7c110$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have forwarded to Ted Schumacher of TS Imported, a list of all of your orders, addresses and shipping/pick-up at the Glen choices. Now you need to pay up. Ted has graciously offered to process all of this, and deliver the goods to the Glen or ship to you. Call Ted with your credit card number at 419-384-3022, (order some Triumph parts while you are at it). For the few of you that are located overseas, Ted will probably accept an email. For those of you who did not order, this is your last chance! We will not have excess stuff at the Glen (well, maybe a few tee shirts). If you want to take another look at the goods, see the email below and send me your order. If you can't remember if you ordered already, send me your choices and I will confirm or add 'em to the list. Thanks again! We have a long sleeve blue or khaki color denim shirt with a Triumph shield/laurel/Kastner Cup logo embroidered on the left front, and a baseball cap (blue or khaki) with the same logo We also have a printed tee shirt with a terrific all Triumph race graphic designed by Greg Petrolati on the back, and the FOT logo you are all familiar with and the words Kastner Cup 2008 below it, on the left front. Go to the link below and view "photo album" to see the embroidered logos, the shirt and cap and the tee shirt design. At this point, I need you to tell me how many of each of these you want and the size. Just send me an email. We need all orders by July 1. Ted Shumacher is graciously offering to handle credit card processing and will bring all the items to the Glen for pre-paid pick-up. If you do not plan to be at the Glen, shipping is extra. Once we have orders, Ted and I will figure out how to collect credit card info, checks, etc and get back to you once we have the orders. Long Sleeve button down denim shirts in blue or khaki, button down collar, breast pocket, embroidery above pocket. S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $30 +1 for every X above XL. An XL is a 17 -17 1/2 neck size, so these are good sized shirts Baseball caps - hgh quality Adams cap, one size fits all, khaki color, $16 Tee shirts, light gray background, S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $19, plus $1 for every X above XL http://www.freewebs.com/sjanzen/index.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.fridirici at grande.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 22 23:56:51 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, From srcypher at mac.com Wed Jul 23 05:21:16 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: If you call their special order department 805-525-1497, ask for Jay Coombs. If you have a stock one, and describe the overall length, thread pitch on each end & length, whether you want the allen key broach or not, he can look up the exact part #, and if you want the kit, can look it up as well... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 05:48:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I purchased mine thru Summit Racing cheaper than what I paid direct from ARP. Summit part number ARP-206-4207. 112.99 was the price last November. Dean T. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Does anyone have a part number for these? B Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 23 06:19:50 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head studs. It made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the ARP studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with stock studs. I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head assembly? As the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They say torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those directions, my head gasket leaked. I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the ARP studs are helping me or hurting me... From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 06:37:26 2008 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:37:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: <072320081237.6121.4887260600094D70000017E92200735446CE08019D099C@comcast.net> I'll be racing the #393 Spitfire at the SVRA Thunderbolt Inaugural (New Jersey Motorsports Park) Aug 7-10. Any other FOTrs racing or going? I've heard from VRG that the State of New Jersey has very strict safety regs that all racing sanctioning bodies must follow especially regarding FIA/SFI harnesses, helmets, etc. If you're racing, be sure your equipment is current and that expiration dates can be checked. Steve Groh From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 23 08:26:59 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:26:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: I have been on the smaller Lightening track once with EMRA and once with SCCA in my ITC Rabbit. FOT'r Dave Miller ran there last weekend with SCCA as well in his E/P TR4. The Thunderbolt track is still under construction but will have the same great features the Lightening has but better and bigger. So far, the NJ State Police have not been a factor. I received in writting a confirmation that the SNELL SA 2000 helmet is acceptable. NJ regulations say all belts are two years for SFI rating and FIA is by expiration date. Good Luck and if you need any help, let me know. I won't be racing but might be on sight or close by. I'm 25 miles from the track. Dave Yeager 609-517-3129 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:35:54 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Certainly it's feasible that the brilliant designers who were whacking together a tractor motor carefully calculated the yield strength of each stud using their Lucas computers, and built in just the right amount of stretch to safely cycle the gaskets. But I doubt it. It does get done. Volkwagen Rabbit motors have stretch-to-torque single use headbolts, but that's that whacky germans. You can always go back to the springy stockers. Some very good engine builders consider them adequate, and therefore not reasonable to replace. I just LIKE the ARP studs, with their broached allen head for fast removal, their smooth threading into the block, and their positive torquing. As for leaks, I generally undertorque a bit, especially with a steel gasket, then look for mayo in the oil. If I see to much I go little higher. That isn't the studs, that's the miserable head gaskets we've got to work with and the imprecision of the gasket surface with a wet sleeve engine. I wouldn't run an engine without them, but that just me. On Jul 23, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. > > Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head > studs. It > made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to > achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the > ARP > studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with > stock studs. > > I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head > assembly? As > the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP > studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. > No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... > > Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They > say > torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those > directions, my head gasket leaked. > > I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the > ARP > studs are helping me or hurting me... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed Jul 23 16:16:01 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... Message-ID: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 23 19:57:56 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8ed30$b1591e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks for the part numbers. Funny thing with Summit, I asked them if they could source the TR head bolts for me and they said ARP did not offer them. Thanks, Greg From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 23 19:17:49 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:17:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. Thanx in advance, Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 19:59:25 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <003b01c8ed30$e622c2b0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I got mine from Ken Gillanders. I must have thrown the box away. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs > Does anyone have a part number for these? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jul 23 20:17:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <007301c8ed33$6f6d05b0$1442a8c0@semperon3400> http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Catalog.html Page 72 206-4207 for the nuts They don't list the studs. I'd contact Ted Schumacher for the ARP parts, I'm sure he can supply them! tedtsimx at bright.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 20:21:39 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068401c8ed34$04975cd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, for the Vintage events, things are much more relaxed than during, say Nascar or Indy races. A regular ticket will get you about anywhere you want to go. There's not a huge crowd there for Vintage events, so you can wander about anywhere except the hot pits. Watch from one grandstand for one heat, then wander to another location for the next heat. You can drive, walk, or ride a bicycle. Be sure to spend some time in the Boot (turns 6,7, and 8) Great viewing. And ignore the signs saying no shorts or sandels in the paddock, just the hot pits. There's a lot of space in the infield (which is basically anywhere inside the track) for camping. Area A, B, or D would be close to the action. I slept in my van in the South Paddock for the VRG event last October; a nice, low key event. Like I said, it's a whole different atmosphere for the Vintage types. One woman, after I made a remark about lug nuts, came over and said, "You Vintage guys are a lot more fun than the rest of the folks who race here." I've been going there since '68; had some great times. Things tamed down a bit after they drained the Bog, though! Try and get to the event at the Research Library on Friday evening. Usually $25, with lots of great food, liquid refreshments, guest speakers, live and silent auctions, etc. A good time. I'm looking forward to another great weekend there. See you there. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 "Don't go too fast, but I go pretty far." Melanie, circa 1972 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Jul 23 20:48:14 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Andre, No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the reenactment ;) And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not a bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson Exports. :D Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 24 04:30:30 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <4362ae390807240330k6bab8besc892637095c9689@mail.gmail.com> Labatt Blue, Molson Export? Good lord man. I have far better taste in beers. :) Cheap domestic stuff gives me headaches hehehe A. 2008/7/23 Jim : > Andre, > > No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. > > I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. > Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the > reenactment ;) > > And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not > a > bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson > Exports. :D > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 24 08:32:15 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying > around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. > Thanx in advance, Steve you can get new ones from Moss... not cheap, but they'll get you back on the road. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 11:44:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Thanks everybody for all of the assistance. Scott at Team Triumph had them and is shipping them today. Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Jul 24 15:25:01 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail Message-ID: Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick Kristoff ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 17:28:07 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: Here's a really cool link on the subject... _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 24 21:23:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels Message-ID: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jul 24 21:46:52 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As the two cars, Swanson in the GT-6 and Fitzgerald in the Datsun came to the last corner of the last lap, the left rear suspension on Carl's GT-6 broke and Carl took a tough ride down the side of the front straight and finally came to a halt .Second, but no banana. This accident is what caused me to make the forged hubs for the later cars. Steve Smith now can do the same thing for any GT-6 owner and you REALLY should do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > Here's a really cool link on the subject... > > _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ > (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jul 24 22:50:41 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Owners of early Long Door TR2's... Message-ID: <48895BA1.5010103@greenheart.com> Please e-mail me... I've been a TR4A guy since 1977... but this last year I've acquired an early 1954 long door TR2.... and it would help to have some people to knock questions off of.... --Justin Wagner jmwagner@ From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 25 02:34:03 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 1:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725043403.P3CR4.67819.root@fepweb06> I have a nice solid one available in Wisconsin. Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing > crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a > good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one > in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick > Kristoff > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 25 05:38:32 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Is this a race car or a street car? I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s would ever fit without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf springs. Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels (if they would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the old girl. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheels I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:21:30 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Is this a race car or a street car? > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > would ever fit > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > springs. > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > (if they > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > old girl. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > wheel on? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 17:34:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:34:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Wheels References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 inches? Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always thought this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little holes drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to do this way. Imelda (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > > > Is this a race car or a street car? > > > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > > would ever fit > > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > > springs. > > > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > > (if they > > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > > old girl. > > > > Terry Stetler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David W. Riddle > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > > wheel on? > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > stinfo/fot> > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:57:26 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <4819FA65-BCCE-4CB9-85EE-D120F2200B5A@gmail.com> I'm thinking about the opposite--taking TR4 wheels, which I think measure out to a little over five inches wide, reinforcing the hub and then drilling all the cooling/lightening holes that racing steelies sometimes have--particularly the Porsches. Instead of knockoffs, extra- long studs smooth noses to start the lugnut cleanly, and very plain lugnuts. All very racy methinks. Low buck retro look is all the rage in the hot rod world. I traded my '48 chebbie pickup to a guy who is going to restore it with 40 year old barn find patina. It would be easy to do since it's been a lawn ornament at my house for nearly ten years, but he wants it black instead of moldy red. On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 > inches? > Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always > thought > this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little > holes > drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to > do this > way. > Imelda > (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 25 12:35:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me that it is not a good idea. Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your roll over bar. Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Is this a race car or a street car? >> >> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >> would ever fit >> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf >> springs. >> >> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >> (if they >> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >> old girl. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David W. Riddle >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >> >> >> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >> wheel on? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 13:14:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:14:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Message-ID: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jul 25 13:36:31 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> Message-ID: My first racecar was a TR3A with circle track style steel wheels, including about 10 or so round cooling openings like Bill mentioned. They were virtually unbreakable but very heavy. I think there are a few roundy-round wheel people that will make them up to your spec. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:15 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Fri Jul 25 21:49:49 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. Is that it? Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 05:34:02 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <6A98ED87-42BC-453D-A4B4-55D659DFBB3B@gt6.ca> 19! Wow. And I know what your talking about. There are tons of other cars I'd love to own, yet I simply can't part with my little GT6. Its part of me. I just hope when I'm older I can still get in and out of the car. :) A. On 25-Jul-08, at 11:49 PM, wrote: > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first > GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I > owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, > and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. > I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground > up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've > ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and > driver of the little GT6 I have now... -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Jul 26 06:01:26 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:01:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. Message-ID: TR2/3....FP and then EP TR4....DP and then EP TR250/6....CP and then DP Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 7/25/2008 11:50:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, igofaster at charter.net writes: Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 26 07:03:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right now. Item number: 300243431327 Item number: 160260591211 Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 07:24:14 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807260624o74f98e17h1f24d6f980550811@mail.gmail.com> Yeah the yellow one looks tasty... I need to upscale my income and garage badly ;) A. 2008/7/26 BOB KRAMER > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gp89 at charter.net Sat Jul 26 09:57:24 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 8:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20080726115724.4JKI6.100520.root@fepweb10> The yellow #99 was my first race car. I can answer any questions regarding the car. Not so sure how accurate the description is, the car has had a lot of rust repair done to it. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- BOB KRAMER wrote: > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Jul 26 21:09:39 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23.7D.25605.AE6EB884@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 08:01 AM 7/26/2008, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >TR2/3....FP and then EP >TR4....DP and then EP >TR250/6....CP and then DP ...then GT-3, then EP for the TR-6 at least. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 27 05:28:55 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:28:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR250K Message-ID: <488C5BF7.3010209@cfl.rr.com> Just a note to send you to the BRE web site. He has a couple of nice archive prints of the TR250K and other Datsun stuff if you have any interest in who competed heavily against Triumph back in the day. http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=B&Category_Code=brearchivephotosprotos Bob GT6 TR4 Datsun 2000 & 510 trans am From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jul 27 09:15:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:15:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watking Glen - Hampton Inn (cancellations) Painted Post Message-ID: FOT If your plans are changing, resulting in a cancellation, please let me know. I have a couple of requests for reservations at the hampton Inn, our "Official FOT Hotel". Recent travel by the Corning area reveals that there is an enormous amount of new road construction near the hotel. Be prepared for GPS Confusion. Once you get there, it will become clear, if a bit of a nuisance. Joe A From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 14:27:21 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 27 14:53:11 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:53:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Plowing? as in understeer? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 00:04:18 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:04:18 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, due to fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Jul 27 16:21:38 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <20080727172138.cbm7503l4o48kws4@secure.uwalumni.com> Scott Barr writes: > Andy . . . offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. > Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Having at one time owned and operated an actual tractor (Ford, vintage 1950's), I'd have gone with Steve's suggestion of "Plowing" or "understeer". A GOOGLE search, however, indicates that I've fallen behind in my terminology. It turns out that "tractoring" is what a "tractor beam" does -- i.e. it pulls other objects toward itself with an invisible force. What consequences that might have on the race track is left as an exercise for the reader. Jim Hill TR6 From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 16:22:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:22:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: The simplest thing would have been to ask him, but generally tractoring means you have too little camber. On Jul 26, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, > due to > fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling >> mechanic / > pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk > vocabulary > and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You > just > naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about > what you > car is doing. >> >> Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and >> stuck > his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was > "tractoring". > At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual > Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something > about > it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking > about it > since. >> >> I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. >> Anybody > have any idea what it means in this context? >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From m-syork at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 19:19:24 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union Message-ID: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 19:17:18 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:17:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <073601c8f04f$aefeb5b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I was a newbie last year at age 58. Had a blast and have met some really great people in my travels. Very friendly and helpful. My thanks also goes out to all those folks. Great bunch. See you all at the Glen. Bill Tobin TR6 Vintage type Erie, PA----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:15:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:26:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he couldn't see how the car handles on track. As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the time to stop and chat. I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. Scott ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 27 21:07:19 2008 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <002001c8f05f$0c8bff80$abb18147@yourf78bf48ce2> In 1970 Don Devendorf ran the early GT6 with swing axles and the early cyl head and Stromberg carbs in EP SCCA, and Carl Swanson drove the Kas Kastner factory backed GT6 with the IRS , late cyl head and stromberg carbs in DP SCCA, both in 1970. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured > to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one > group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning > bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit > the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group > I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both > groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, > running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just > as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) > designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I > bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that > were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII > drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice > MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This > GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, > thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of > the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a > newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really > cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars > and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the > FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 27 21:28:06 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <83267.24164.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: The valve is a "residual pressure" valve which retains a couple of pounds of pressure on the front pads to reduce the amount of travel needed to bring them into contact with the rotor. It is the "input" to the 5-way, and there is no way around it if you use a 4-way and a pedal switch. I and others will suggest that you retain it in some form. If you need a good 5-way send me your address and I'll drop one in the post to you. Thanks - Ed - Mark York wrote: Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 22:23:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Generally when someone says a car is tractoring it means the front end is handling like a tractor. You don't have to look at the car on track to tell this, you can tell by the wear pattern on the tires. Perhaps he meant that. He might have meant two stroking (running too rich), but I'd guess he was looking at your tires. Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, the purpose of which was to move the contact patch of the front wheel to the inside of the turn, pulling the wheel to that side. If you've ever driven an old tractor you know what that means, the tractor lurches to the inside of the turn. Doing this decreases turning radius and decreases turning effort. It also makes up for the narrowness of the track a little bit by pushing the contact patch outwards and compensates for the low amount of ackerman available (or needed) with the wheels that close together. It also makes the tractor wobbly at speed, but since "speed" is a relative thing, it's not that much of a problem. On a race car with radial tires and too little camber, or bias plies and positive camber you get the same effect--the car tends to dive to the inside of the turn and requires pressure against the initial turn in to counter the effect. You can see the problem pretty clearly on the tires--they will be feathered towards the inside of the car on the outside edge of the tire. In extreme cases there won't be any wear at all on the inside edge of the tire. Good ol' NASCAR and dirt track boys prefer to talk in these terms even though they know just as much about what they are doing as any fancy pants at an F1 race. The call a car loose (dynamic oversteer) or tight (dynamic understeer), they say it's plowing (understeer), bunching (excessive toe), tractoring (pulling inwards on turn in), or pushing ( undesrsteer). On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was > running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he > couldn't see how the car handles on track. > > As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I > thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the > time to stop and chat. > > I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. > > Scott From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 27 22:29:00 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <20080728042859.PNDW14026.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly > corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), > and Victoria British (not in > stock) and sent an email to TRF. P/N 107069, NLS. > Has anyone tried to adapt > the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from > the same? Didn't use the 4-way, but I've used a switch mounted to the pedal box (ala TR4) for several years. Works great for me. Switch was off a Dodge or something, I forget which one. > What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the > top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve It's purpose was to keep the front brake pads from being knocked back by the spindles flexing in hard turns. > and how do you > get around it with the 4 way union? Early TR4s used the same valve, so yours should fit. But I never liked having the brakes drag, so I gutted my valve years ago and just lived with the pad knockback. Supposedly Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and bearing spacers completely solve the problem, but I've not had a chance to try mine yet. (Available from TRF, P/N HP661) Randall From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 08:59:43 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring Message-ID: Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTra ctorFront.jpg I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:48:29 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:48:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A01A9EB-2311-4840-A48B-1612B0040A77@bnj.com> That's the guy. Just a little positive camber. On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: > > http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTractorFront.jpg > > I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge > r2_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:58:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I'm really not confusing caster and camber. Most suspension parameters have more than one effect. Caster moves the contact patch behind the steering axis of rotation, and so it exerts a counter force to steering input that tends to drag the wheel straight. But caster also moves the contact patch to the side of the axis of tire rotation during steering input, imparting some camber effect. Likewise Camber moves the contact patch to one side or the other of the tire, but extreme positive camber acts like "negative" caster, pulling the wheel to the inside of a turn. From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 11:08:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Amici, A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was full and then it immediately hung up. It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but left their website up and running?!!B Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers about them? Thanks! Brad From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 28 11:54:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <005801c8f0da$f1f8a480$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Check into Northern Tool and Equipment. They have a broad selection of such products. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After > checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:45:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:45:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Bill Babcock wrote: > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > the purpose of which was to....[snip] Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 22:15:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:15:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002201c8f068$8ceb1220$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> He may also have been noting a slight misfire, or "poofing" at idle, resulting from an improperly seating valve. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 13:43:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> SVRA and VRG require not larger than a 205/60-13, which I run on 6" wheels. My favorite Kumhos are no longer made in this size and I find the Toyo Proxes to be way too hard/not sticky. Anyone have other recommendations that you are running in Vintage? Can't run the Hoosier A6 Thanks! From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 13:55:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0FD4F29A-7E4C-4FA3-9FE9-220DFFD997CC@bnj.com> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B > After > checking order status today it says the order is still in > processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call > their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those > things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system > then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales > department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the > system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/ > ) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't > shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard > any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 14:42:57 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:42:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 15:46:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: Message-ID: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be mounted on the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't worried about plants. My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. The front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the fronts are in the same track (row) as the rears. My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it on a regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! Bill And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help them.----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > > the purpose of which was to....[snip] > > Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero > front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten > plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:01:45 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:01:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <3399756D-E8DC-41AE-951E-55049195946D@bnj.com> TU- Tits up. On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango > uniform to me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:11:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <45E9E7FC-C409-468B-86F4-104822F58846@gmail.com> Yup. My favorite book on engines is Harry Ricardo's The High Speed Internal Compustion Engine, which I think was first printed in 1922. Plenty smart boy. Of course tractor wheel spacing is dictated first by the crops and expected field conditions and second by everything else. I don't really know why tractors originally had that big positive camber, but I understand the result on handling. On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be > mounted on > the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't > worried about plants. > My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. > The > front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the > fronts are in > the same track (row) as the rears. > My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it > on a > regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! > Bill > And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help > them.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the >>> general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, >>> the purpose of which was to....[snip] >> >> Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the > near-zero >> front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not >> flatten >> plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn > smart). >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! >> http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 28 16:21:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:21:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Water temp Message-ID: <566164119-1217283757-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1065712869-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What is the ideal water temp during a race? My tr3 was running around 200 deg. Sometimes 205. It was 95 outside and I had NGK BP8 plugs. I seem to remember running about 10 deg cooler last year in hotter weather. This new motor has a higher CR than the last one. It didn't overheat, just seeing what temp is ideal. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 28 16:54:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:54:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to > me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 28 18:30:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:30:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 18:59:35 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:59:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Message-ID: <488E6B77.8010106@141.com> I think I can visualize that......:) Kas Kastner wrote: > Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > > > >> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to >> me. >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 28 20:47:00 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B72@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> That's what I'm using on the Spit at this point. I think they're fine, but then I liked the Toyo Proxes RA1s, too, which you said you didn't like much. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon Jul 28 19:30:38 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 21:23:12 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph: Photos from space Message-ID: <002301c8f12a$6f1cfbb0$4d56f310$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: This is way off any Triumph subject but worth sharing if you haven't seen it already. Photos of Earth and around the space shuttle with music. Gary http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm _____ From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 29 03:13:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:34 UT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) Message-ID: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> gp89 at charter.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.Please see below for more information. Triumph Spitfire Racecar Reply to: sale-773989174 at craigslist.orgDate: 2008-07-28, 8:33PM 1965 Spitfire, full prep, G-Production race car (Midwestern Council) - has both SCCA and MCSCC log books. Fast car that needs some TLC. Engine needs rings. Lack of time and money reluctantly forces sale :( Fiberglass bonnet, rear fenders and deck lid. Electromotive distributerless ignition, accusump, roller rockers, etc. etc. HUGE spares package. Blocks, cranks, rockers, cams, diffs, tranies, wheels and more. Must see to appreciate and hear it growl. This is a serious race car that will win! $4750.00 or offer. Call Jeff at 608-882-5236 and leave a message. Serious inquires please. This item has been posted by-owner. Location: Evansville, WI it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://madison.craigslist.org/car/773989174.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/09mZ1FGQ49GdlRnLu0WY0Vmba ------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 29 07:34:34 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:34:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed In-Reply-To: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: I run Yoko Ao48 205/60-15 and I feel very fine with them. What I have heard about other tires is that they are very good until they pass a peak point if stickyness. Not so the Yokos. They might be not a qualifier but a long lasting fast tire. I recommend them. Cheers Chris From simon at telephonestogo.ca Tue Jul 29 08:25:20 2008 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photos from space Message-ID: <00b901c8f186$eecd6910$3464a8c0@SIMON> What a beautiful planet we live on! I have flown over Africa at night, (I lived in Zimbabwe until I was 20 years old), and you can look down without seeing a road, building or light for an hour! Really seems like the "dark continent". Simon. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 12:34:36 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:34:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member of our esteemed organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the "real" Surf City and home of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently acquired a TR3 which he has disassembled and is in the process of bringing back to life as a vintage racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more Triumphs to frequent our race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips and tricks from FOTers during his rebuilding process and is already on the right path having acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more to this brief introduction if you would like. Dave's email address is: dlhogye at aol.com. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 12:40:34 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second the nomination. Doug --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > of our esteemed > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > "real" Surf City and home > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > acquired a TR3 which he has > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > to life as a vintage > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > Triumphs to frequent our > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > and tricks from FOTers > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > right path having > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > to this brief > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > Do I have a second? > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 29 15:28:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <072920082128.3985.488F8B62000556A800000F9122216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I will third. If Gary likes it its got to be good besides we do need more TR's racing in Northern CA. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second the nomination. > > Doug > --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > > of our esteemed > > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > > "real" Surf City and home > > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > > acquired a TR3 which he has > > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > > to life as a vintage > > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > > Triumphs to frequent our > > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > > and tricks from FOTers > > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > > right path having > > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > > to this brief > > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > > Do I have a second? > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > > > 1969 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:06:28 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question Message-ID: I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake system. Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in which both car competed against each other ? I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage race cars, that we know when this happened. :) Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 13:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, was at Brands Hatch racing. Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel No I have to rebuild that engine again. Have fun with these: http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:44:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:44:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/30/2008 2:35:41 PM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > Amici... I done similar this past week end. Blew an oil cooler on my TR3 in a qualifying race at the AUTOBAHN (Joliet) on Saturday. Car was running like a Banshee. I couldn't figure out why it was so bright and sunny in front of me, and so foggy in my mirrors. Car was running great, albeit (eventually) about four quarts of oil down. We by passed the oil cooler for the Sprint Race. Again the car ran great, but by the end of the race I was reading twenty pounds of oil pressure. Car still sounded GREAT. On Sunday morning when we started it up it still sounded great but we had zero oil pressure. We're praying it is a faulty gauge or sending issue. I think I'll install an oil pressure light. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 30 13:53:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <007101c8f27d$fa557f00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My My but things must have changed greatly since I was last at Brands Hatch. I recall one particular Chevy Camaro that looked like a DDT fogger the entire race. It lost to a Ford Escort RS1500. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:08:27 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd appreciate it.. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:11:36 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good bad or indifferent? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 14:21:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <00e901c8f281$e8a1cd00$6402a8c0@HOME> I think the difficult thing would be to match the skirt shape with a lathe. As the sides of a piston is not straight that would be nothing that you can do with normal tools. http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:51:28 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807301351y491cae25k6194101b8774d0b@mail.gmail.com> TR5-6 with PI have the equivelent of a cold air box! On 7/30/08, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. > What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air > intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? > The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 > (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs > in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the > current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become > vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 30 15:04:24 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material other than forged aluminum. Bob Scott Cypher wrote: > I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, > but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used > or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type > information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to > build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd > appreciate it.. > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 30 16:27:05 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:27:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Wed Jul 30 18:31:15 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:31:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson > Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per lap. :-) Jim Hill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 30 19:06:58 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Message-ID: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> How about an OD switch mounted on the steering wheel. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson >> Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! > > I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per > lap. > > :-) > > Jim Hill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 30 20:26:44 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:26:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: Most of today's racing pistons are "cam ground". Turn the piston over, look at the different thicknesses of the underside. Massive up top, reinforcement around the pin bosses, thin skirt. Modern piston design takes into consideration the expansion of every portion of the profile. A true racing piston will calculate the expansion rate on every square millimeter and shape the piston accordingly. So they are "cam (as in lobe)ground". Kind of oblong or egged or whatever term we can use to approximate the shape the piston will take at "race temperature". Of coarse we are talking about high reving, close tolerance, precision race motors.... not tractor motors. Yes, I have gotten away with turning a piston perfectly round and running it at higher RPMs than the TR(3-4) can achieve. as long as you aren't too worry'd about a little piston slap at idle. Dave Y **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:56:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size In-Reply-To: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Pistons aren't turned very often, they are usually ground, and it's a complex shape--tapered smaller on the top (to make it straight when it's hot on the top and cold on the bottom) and smaller near the exhaust valve. It's called a cam grind, though it's a lot more complex than a cam. You _can_ turn a piston down, You'll loose all that sophistication and wind up with a piston that rattles in the bore, but if that doesn't bother you it doesn't bother me. I've done it before for motorcycle engines when I couldn't get the piston I wanted. You should do a little taper, even just a degree is helpful. But when there's pistons available that work just fine, and since building a motor is pretty expensive compared to the cost of four new pistons, I don't think I'd try that today. On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:58:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E640F39-88BD-41AB-A748-5EA239C1F9B9@bnj.com> It's probably not just forged aluminum, it probably has quite a bit of silicon. Not as much as Japanese pistons, but some. I'd set it up on the loose side of whatever Venolia recommends. On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Bob wrote: > Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got > them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He > supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some > else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended > piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material > other > than forged aluminum. > > Bob > > Scott Cypher wrote: >> I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, >> but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used >> or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type >> information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to >> build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd >> appreciate it.. >> >> Thanks >> >> -Scott Cypher >> spitfireracer at xsmail.com >> SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 >> Reading, PA >> http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher >> >> 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar >> 1971 TR6 TBD >> 1976 TR7 Street >> 1968 GT6 Vintage >> >> "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. >> Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start >> of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 31 01:40:09 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:40:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: This is right. Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:35:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:35:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/31/2008 2:41:27 AM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > This is right. > Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Amici... I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jul 31 07:44:21 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4891C1B5.3050207@dfn.com> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel. > > I can see how a necker knob would be handy on really tight turns, Bill. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:11:01 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/08 1:09:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spitfireracer at xsmail.com writes: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typic al clearances recommended. >> This is probably not much help. I have Cosworth pistons in the four cylinder tractor engine (TR-3/4). These are the popup pistons that Jack Wheeler used. I took 0.010" off of the flat part of the crowns on these pistons, to prevent the pistons from hitting the squish area of the head. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:19:02 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:19:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances-Addendum Message-ID: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typ ic al clearances recommended. >> >> I used 0.007" piston/wall clearance. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 31 20:20:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Jul 31 22:39:13 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48929371.70104@cyberspeedway.net> I went through my SCCA vintage GCR and found the following for Production: "1967 1.2 Authorized Modifications D.1. Any alteration to the carburetors (or fuel injection) except changing the number, model, type, or size of the standard equipment, and, except that extensions or addition of material to the exterior of the carburetor body is prohibited. Velocity stacks (intake air horns) may be used provided no modifications are made to the body or the frame work of the car to accommodate their use." "D.1.2.B.4 The cooling of brakes by ventilation of backing plates or fitting of air ducts, provided no changes are made in the bodywork above a plane passing through the wheel hubs." Engine air ducting is not mentioned specifically. In the 1972 GCR it read as follows: "2.2 Authorized Modifications A.7. Glass and/or plastic, headlight, front parking light, front signal light, lenses and bulbs must be removed. Then resulting openings may be used for ducting of air to the engine, front brakes and /or oil coolers." Cold air boxes were used in the Trans Am from 1967 as a through the firewall cold air intake was a Z282 option with the cold air box supplied loose in the trunk for the Z28. A cold air box also allows for more convenient air filter installation. Running an air filter will save valve seats. We switched to K&N back in 1982 and the time between valve jobs was quadrupled. The chassis dyno showed no hp loss with the filters. Greg Lund Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Jul 1 05:21:09 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the Mallory condensers. The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to contact. At least this has worked for me so far. If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs >great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the >second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to the extent >it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory cloth >through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading points at 29 >degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 degrees and >total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here . . . what's >wrong with the second set? >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 05:59:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:59:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Scott, Yes....we got under the wire on the price increase. It was part of the discussion with him on a cutoff date for orders. Joe > It appears he just raised prices, too; used to be < $80 or so for the > spit scraper, now its $120 on ebay... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 1 06:10:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:10:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Group Purchase of Crank Scrapers------ Message-ID: Jerry, "Prior Triumph Orders" were mentioned as going out this week. If this doesnt happen, please let me know. Hope your foot is healing well. Joe A > I hope you have better luck with them than I have. I ordered two > complete scrapers with the teflon inserts in early April. I paid for > them by credit card and have never received them. I called in early > June and they told me they would be shipped within the week, I still > haven't received them. > Jerry Barr > From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:33:42 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: Easy enough to test that, I just need to remember how. As I recall a signal generator and voltmeter is basically what you need, and some of the better vacuum tube voltmeters did direct capacitance measurement. Oh, wait, I don't have any of that stuff anymore. Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by smoking a few) though we could guess "high" and probably be good. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > This is a good time to remind everybody about the peculiarity of the > Mallory condensers. > > The condensers are manufactured with a coating on the outside to > prevent corrosion. The little bracket that holds them is intended for > a one-time-only use. The bracket has little indentations protruding > toward the inside diameter intended to scratch that coating off. > > This seems to me to be a lousy design concept. > > The solution seems to be to sand the corrosion protection off of the > portion of the condenser that the little nubbins are supposed to > contact. At least this has worked for me so far. > > If we could get through to a real person at Mallory who was > interested in helping, we could find out the microfarad value of the > condenser and perhaps find a suitable replacement on the market. > > > At 02:12 PM 6/30/2008, Scott Janzen wrote: >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range, to >> the extent >> it revs at all. I changed out the points with a new set, ran emory >> cloth >> through the points, etc, no improvement. I'm setting the leading >> points at 29 >> degrees dwell and 35 combined. I have initial advance at about 10 >> degrees and >> total advance at 32. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious >> here . . . what's >> wrong with the second set? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as vinttr4 at geneseo.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:47:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Trying to mount an electric fan on a high density radiator In-Reply-To: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20080629222524.FURE7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: > > The battery, and the fact that races are short. In a street > > car driven over long distances and averaged, you'd be right, > > but if you drag raced that car against another the lack of a > > fan would be horsepower to the good.> > In addition, hopefully the electric fan runs only when needed; which should> generally only be at lower speeds. In day-to-day driving, mine comes on> only when I'm stuck in traffic, or just got off the freeway. The actual> duty cycle is quite low.> > Randall Thanks, guys. I wasn't thinking about the periods when the electric fan was off. Only the physics of it. Duh! John H. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:09:00 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Message-ID: Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 1 11:11:49 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting, condensers In-Reply-To: References: <005101c8dae5$3d8bd7c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><200807011121.m61BLBwk045427@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <091101c8db9d$8d639040$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Lame jokes aside, we'd also need to know what voltage it was supposed > to handle, which is a design value, not a measurable one (except by > smoking a few) How is smoking a few going to help? Oh wait, you meant a few condensers. Never mind! Randall From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Jul 1 12:08:41 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who races a blue TR3 on U-Tube ? Message-ID: <000c01c8dba5$7fc62d00$6601a8c0@Elliott> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjumerjIxbc&NR=1 From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:21:14 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <8CAA9C6C32B53C4-74C-25E2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 1 13:39:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com From john at race-dogs.com Tue Jul 1 14:08:56 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c8dbb6$4ac05a70$800101df@jawsxp> I've know people here running dual point with no problem with the MSD 6AL - I prefer only running One good set of HD points in mine and a Crane HI6, burnt too many MSD's Revs Strong past 7500- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as john at race-dogs.com > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=44E4374033.E9A4C From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 1 14:42:35 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:42:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 15:00:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, When I wired my Mallory dual point to the MSD 6AL box, the motor ran like crap. THEN I read the MSD manual (RTFM) and it said to disable one set of points in dual-point dizzies. YMMV Shane Ingate in NM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:39:23 -0400 From: chasgee at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Not true. I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. Chuck Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate To: s.janzen at comcast.net Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting Scott Janzen asked: > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It runs > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect the > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only run one set of points. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 1 15:03:20 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> I run a Mallory dual point in my Spit FE1296 but converted to a Pertronix after not being able to keep up with the wear on the point sets. Life is good with the Pertronix. I would not go back to points. Using a Lucas Sport Coil. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:43 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; chasgee at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor with an MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of points is ok for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps reliable) than using points. Just my humble opinion. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > > > My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical advance. It > runs > > great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I connect > the > > second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Jul 1 16:35:50 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:35:50 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080701223551.RIMV27951.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> I got one from them about 12 months ago and their service was excellent. However, if it's for a TR5/TR6, don't forget there are 3 different shaped 2500 cranks, and they don't seem to realise that. I had to do some minor mods to make to get it to work as intended. Terry O'Beirne, Australia From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 1 17:11:16 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The > protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: > > #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 > #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 > #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 > > I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex > Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever > feels and looks thinner at the time. > > Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from > the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced > the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the > sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and > the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 > and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per > Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just > measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of > insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also > cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned > with lacquer thinner. > > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> Amici, >> >> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >> >> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >> heights and variation? >> >> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >> steel shim gaskets? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Rich Rock >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 1 17:38:26 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:38:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> This is taken last friday. The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. as tr4racing at googlemail.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:35:53 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It shouldn't matter. All the second set of points does is extend the dwell time, which is the time that the points are closed and the coil has current running through it-saturating it in preparation for making a spark. They have no effect on timing since they open before the primary set opens and they are in parallel with the primary set. On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:39 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. > > Chuck > Spitfire Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > > > Scott Janzen asked: > >> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >> advance. It > runs >> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >> connect > the >> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range > > Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only > run one set of points. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:37:44 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Pertronix is great if you're running an alternator. They like good voltage. On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I am wondering why you would want to run a dual points distributor > with an > MSD unit. All you need is a trgger for the MSD and one set of > points is ok > for that. Personally, I converted my Spit over to a pertronix when I > startedusing the MSD. I found that it was much better (or perhaps > reliable) > than using points. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Joe C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > >> Not true.? I've run a dual point for 15 years with an MSD box. >> >> Chuck >> Spitfire Racer >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> To: s.janzen at comcast.net >> Cc: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:09 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting >> >> >> >> Scott Janzen asked: >> >>> My GT6 has a one year old dual point in it with mechanical >>> advance. It >> runs >>> great when only the leading set of points are connected. When I >>> connect >> the >>> second set, it barely idles and breaks up through the rpm range >> >> Are you running an ignition box like an MSD? If so, you can only >> run one set of points. >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. >> http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:39:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I always deburr the figure eight gaskets, and I give the liners a whack with a lead hammer to seat them. Seems to make a difference. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either >> Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, >> whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge >> from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, >> spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to >> reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and >> direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block >> bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then >> cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim >>> headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... >>> what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure >>> 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 17:47:21 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <002901c8dbd3$9049b0b0$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <764CEACF-4220-4006-B2C4-EF1D8F9436F7@bnj.com> Wow, great video, what fun. I have GOT to do that before I shuffle off. I'm nearly done rebuilding peyote. I'm typing this with greasy fingers. a few more bolts to tighten, build a seat, make a throotle cable, put on the wheels and set the toe and I'm headed off for the Pacific Northwest Historics. This was a long, long haul--practically a complete rebuild from the ground up. On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:38 PM, MadMarx wrote: > This is taken last friday. > The autofocus was switched off so I'm terribly sorry for the blur.... > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/ring-2008.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 1 17:57:48 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <004001c8dbd6$444647c0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I use blue Hylomar for the figure 8's. It seems to seal a little better and goes on thinner. Would you believe I found some of this stuff at Harbor Freight. It was still seven bucks or so. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this >> reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers >> and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. >> Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what >>> are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's >>> and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 1 18:16:33 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MSD & points Message-ID: Like Shane stated, you can run both if you like, but MSD (6AL) strongly recommends & states you connect only one set of the points. I've had mine like that in my GT-6 race car for almost 10 years & no problems at all. Kev Lynch From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 1 22:19:43 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:19:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> Message-ID: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 00:06:17 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting In-Reply-To: <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however slight) changes in the points gap. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration of the contact surfaces. With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:27:17 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:27:17 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> <003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8dbb8$db623150$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Where there's a will, there's a way. It should start a very interesting and amusing thread. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 14:28:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:28:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net> <486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <003101c8dbb9$05ccce00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah, and of course additional drag on the engine! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 2 09:41:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 10:12:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Henry, Yes they do suddenly die. However, most of these sudden deaths can be directly attributed to improper installation. Forexample, most people continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. If one carefully reads the accompanying instructions, such failures tend to becomemuch les prevalent. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Amici Triumphi" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units > I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the > boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to > give you a rev limiter. > > The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work > all that well. > > Henry Frye > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From john at race-dogs.com Wed Jul 2 10:04:35 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting References: <8CAA9C94C7183A0-740-2754@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com><003e01c8dbba$fe8b4840$2d02a8c0@Belkin><001501c8dbbd$e4c92af0$ae5b80d0$@net><486B01DF.3070608@bradakis.com> <000301c8dc09$bdd6b380$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c8dc5d$52681040$800101df@jawsxp> FYI- I have noticed in my "Z" that when switching to a optical or Mag Trigger it does have steadier timing at upper Rev's than points- Also make sure at least with my Crane Box it does use a different wire for Points vs. Mag triggers- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > Mark, you make some good points (pardon the pun). But one of my main > reasons to used a Pertronix igniter conversion to trigger the MSD was > because it eliminates that mechanical contact against the cam inside the > distributor. So there is no wear on that fiber piece that causes (however > slight) changes in the points gap. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:20 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Mallory dual point trouble-shooting > > When you are using a dual point distributor ( or a single point > one for that matter ) with just a coil you can get a fair amount of > current flowing through the points. They arc when they open, and > they arc when they close. That's one benefit of the dual point, one > set arcs on opening/closing but not on closing/opening because > the other set is handling the current at that moment. Only half > as many arcs per point set, so they last twice as long, since > the arcing is what contributes to the pitting and deterioration > of the contact surfaces. > > With the addition of an electronic box like Mallory, MSD or > Crane units, the points carry very little current and only provide > an on/off voltage signal to trigger the electronic box, which does > the dwell and saturates the coil and such by itself without any > further help from the points. No arcing to speak of, points last > basically forever ( Well, in race car years, that is ) > > I'm guessing that the electronic units in conjunction with a > dual point distributor can possibly sense the extra close or > open of the second set of points and get confused, thinking > that the engine is running half as slow or twice as fast, or > is an 8 cylinder instead of a 4, or maybe a 2. Hey, it has been > over a quarter of a century since I took graduate level electrical > engineering courses, I'm just talking out of my, uh, hat here. > Suffice it to say that with an external ignition controller, you > only need one set of points to trigger the timing cycle. > > One a sort of related note, I ran a Mallory dual point in > Killer. I needed a new cap for one weekend. Local speed > shops had no 4 cylinder ones, so I bought an 8 cylinder one, > installed it and put the plug wires into every other tower. > I was amused by the folks who would notice that, and claim > that there was no way it work, you can't do that, etc. > > mjb. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=08A257434B.957D2 From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 2 10:26:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:31:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAAA782B4C5E44-544-1F8E@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com> Hey guys I've had one for my racecar for over 20 years... ...and it's still sitting on the shelf getting dusty. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Terry Stetler To: Amici Triumphi ; Henry Frye Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units I will second you Henry. When running an MSD you will actually need 3 units. One on the car. One in the spares box. One back at MSD for repair. I don't know how they got such a sterling reputation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 2 10:33:51 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message! **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 11:24:18 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The word NASCAR being used on the FOT list? Isn't there some kind of rules pertaining to this in the FOT bylaws? :) Marty > From: Gt6steve at aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33:51 -0400> To: Fubog1 at aol.com; tlizzard at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net; henry at henryfrye.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units> > I've had the same MSD in the car for about fifteen years now. Must be just > lucky I guess. That said, I carry a spare based on observing the NASCAR boys > carrying an onboard spare! I really thought that sent a message!> > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_feb From REK46 at aol.com Wed Jul 2 11:25:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:25:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD units Message-ID: Git 'er done ! ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 11:37:32 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> <001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Forexample, most people > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then work fine the rest of the day. I thought it was just bad luck ... Randall From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:06:34 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be occasional exceptions to any non-rule. I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that should be in every unit they sell. On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Git 'er done ! > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 2 12:35:28 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again Message-ID: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Amici, i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the data sheet. Any reason this oil should not be used? art de armond From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:09:47 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their units. This prevents spurrious emissions from damaging the units. Obviously, they want you to buy their wires but I have found that there are several companies making these and are perfectly suitable to the task. I am amazed that as much as these things cost that people don't bother reading the literature that comes with them in order to protect their investment. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Amici Triumphi'" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > > Forexample, most people > > continue to use solid core plug wires after installing the unit. > > Oddly enough, I've had more of them fail with stock (non LBC) carbon-core > wires than with solid-core wires. One of them was toasted so badly that MSD > wouldn't repair it. Another was intermittent, would simply refuse to work > for a minute or so every morning (always at a stop light in traffic), then > work fine the rest of the day. > > I thought it was just bad luck ... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 13:11:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units References: <75770D4F-3420-4BCC-A07E-E7F7529C1B4B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <004401c8dc77$67104e80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I also found that shock mounting the units help a lot! Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > As the owner of a certifiable NASCAR TR3 I think there needs to be > occasional exceptions to any non-rule. > > I like MSD boxes just fine, they are like any electronics--susceptible > to sudden death if something bad happens to them. They don't have all > the protection they might have, but electronic manufacturers > discovered long ago that adding protection decreases margin at the > same time that it increases cost (slightly). Pertonics has much less > protection unless you buy their premium version, which adds a blocking > diode to prevent damage from reverse polarity. A trivial addition that > should be in every unit they sell. > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:25 AM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > > Git 'er done ! > > > > > > ************** > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > > fuel-efficient used cars. > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:15:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:15:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <84438BF3-482A-4C82-A6F9-857BBA9FB6E6@bnj.com> I use it all the time, peyote is full of VR-1 right now. On Jul 2, 2008, at 11:35 AM, riverside wrote: > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 2 13:25:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <000a01c8dc79$68cba830$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We've used it in our engine in 6 events and no problems regarding cam wear. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:40:24 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:40:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I've had 2 MSD 6AL units on 2 different cars. Both have been flawless, and it was the way the first box performed that convinced me to buy the second. All up I have over 40K miles on the 2 boxes. All y'all comments come as a surprise, because I know dozens of cars with MSDs with no failures. Maybe I should read more magazines and watch more telly to keep informed (or maybe not; ignorance is bliss). Prior to that I did have 3 Pertonix failures (sudden-death syndrome). The Pertronix is great because the points can be installed in less than 3 mins, but I've not yet figured out how to hotwire a MSD. Don't even get me started on the POS Mallory Unilite dizzies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 2 15:41:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 2 17:28:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:28:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mallory condenser value Message-ID: <200807022328.m62NSVTE180584@ns3.geneseo.net> For what it's worth, the capacitance of the Mallory condenser #400, used with our dual point distributors, is .28 mfd, 600V. After my carping about not being able to find out the value, I discovered it was on the package of a new condenser. Good grief. It's off to the parts store tomorrow. uncle jack From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 2 17:38:07 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oils again References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <004101c8dc9c$ae0ee600$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Along with Penn Grade Racing Oil, I think we can also trust Valvoline VR-1. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "riverside" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [Fot] oils again > Amici, > > i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for > VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the > currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the > data sheet. > Any reason this oil should not be used? > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 2 17:43:03 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local><001d01c8dc5e$7d162920$2d02a8c0@Belkin><01dc01c8dc6a$4f780950$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com><003c01c8dc77$32289b00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <026a01c8dc8c$6d26a340$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000001c8dc9d$5ebcd930$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I tried to find the installation instructions that came with the MSD6! I currently use but could not locate it. I will keep looking. However, I did run across a coil compatibility list which may explain some failures. But I remember quite clearly the Plug Wire issue because I called The MSD tech support to ensure that the ones I decided on would not damage the unit. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:42 PM To: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] MSD units > The old carbon core wires are not sufficient. MSG explicitly stipulates > that you should only use Helically wound suppression wires with their > units. Even the instructions posted today on their web site do not say that for MSD5 units (the one that went thermally intermittent on my motorhome). And I'm fairly certain (though I don't have them handy to check) that the instructions I originally received with the 6A did not say that either. But thanks for the tip. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 2 17:43:16 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:43:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oils again In-Reply-To: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <00e301c8dc72$6780b5d0$93600143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <20080702234308.43AF0187674@autox.team.net> It's what I use - non-synthetic for break-in and synthetic thereafter. I still put some EOS in for good measure, though. I can even buy the non-synthetic version at Autozone and Farm & Fleet! - Tony Drews At 01:35 PM 7/2/2008, riverside wrote: >Amici, > >i visited the Valvoline website and found a data sheet for >VR-1 racing oil. A call to their tech line confirmed the >currency of the data and the 1300 ppm of ZDDP claimed on the >data sheet. >Any reason this oil should not be used? > >art de armond >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 21:06:00 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Forged Piston Message-ID: <907039CF-AD9D-4C08-AE53-C9315AC87E94@xsmail.com> Anyone have a picture of a GT6 forged piston they are using for competition? I'll be building a GT6 engine over the winter, and wanted to get an idea of length of the skirt a GT6 piston has vs. the TR6 pistons I've seen. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jul 2 21:16:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine parts for sale Message-ID: <114871.10004.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Today I went to my machine shop to pick up a block and crank they were doing for me. The owner was in the proces of cleaning out unclaimed jobs and offered to sell me all the Triumph and MG stuff that has been collecting dust. Only makes sense...he has $$$ in it and would like to reclaim some of his losses. I was feeling especially good, so I gave him his labor cost that he had in each item. Below are some of the things I got that I don't think I'll need. Sorry but I am keeping all the small journal 1300 stuff for myself. Spitfire 1500 crank, polished to standard size 1972 TR6 head, disassembled, vatted, crack checked. With all the valves and springs. Numerous and various Spitfire 1300 and 1500 heads in different stages; some disassembled and crack checked, others with completed valve jobs, some with work not started. I have not had time to check the casting numbers. If there are particular ones you would like let me know. If anyone is interested in any of this stuff you can contact me directly. Leftover stuff will find it's way to Ebay. I just couldn't let this stuff go to the scrap pile. To those interested...I have a set of new original Hepolite GT6 domed pistons in +.040 that I will be putting onto Ebay this weekend unless someone on the list needs them. From what I can tell they give 9.5/1 CR, and were used in the GT6 MkIII. Sorry to bomb the list with this but I'd prefer an FOT'er got any of this before Joe Ebayer. Thanks - Ed - From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 2 22:25:15 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any Know of a Bobsy Racer Message-ID: I've come across a pair of Bobsy rim; one is stamped Bobsy, the other is Bobsy styled, but no markings. Anyone know of someone who may be interested in these, please contact me off list. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 2 22:57:48 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:57:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] MSD Message-ID: In 1997 I fitted a new MSD Digital 6, (they were out of MSD6ALs at the time) The unit is mounted on the supplied rubber bobbins. I have always used Magnecor Plug Wires, and NGK Plugs, (presently iridium) Originally, I had a new Lucas distributor, but it was already showing signs of distress at 12,000 miles and I replaced it with a Mallory dual-point, fitted with Pertronix from day one. Coil is an MSD Blaster 2 ? Perhaps I too am lucky, but I have never had any ignition problems with my set-up. Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 3 05:30:13 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Full Set Venolia Forged Pistons -TR-6 Message-ID: <008401c8dd00$28d4eac0$7a7ec040$@net> I have a new in the box set of 6 Venolia forged pistons complete with rings; pins and clips I seek a new home for. Before I put them on an auction site I wanted to open it to any FOT. These are in std size. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 3 09:56:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jul 3 10:07:25 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PEI soil is a bit different from the rest of Canada...its red. That will be very cool to have the TR6 against all that modern stuff...hope you show 'em whossier daddy. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Sent: July 3, 2008 11:57 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Canadian Championship On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I don't have a compilation, but that is me bidding on the poster... With any luck, there may be another Triumph winning a Canadiam championship in early AUG. Khartu will be attending the CAC Autoslalom event at Slemon Park in PEI: http://autoslalom.rgisolutions.com/entrylist.html Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be interesting. Whatever, but I'M PSYCHED. Does anybody know if Hoosiers work on "foreign soil". :-) > Paul MacDonald rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:02:23 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45B280BD94-1360-B6E@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> What's with all the negative waves man?? (Donald Southerland, Kelly's Heroes). I've been fortunate to not have a failure, but I have heard of others that do.? Mine doesn't have a rev limiter, so I rely on my right foot as well.? I'd say that's reliable about 90% or the time.? Wilkins and Siam can check my math for me on that one... You going to make the Vegas race agian this year? Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Jul 3 11:04:29 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:04:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MSD units In-Reply-To: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000101c8dc5a$35420962$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <8CAAB45FCD76EEE-1360-B94@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Sorry everyone, just realized that I was responding to Henry Frye, not Henry Morrison.? All comments still apply except the Vegas question. Henry Morrison, if you're out there, you coming to Vegas this year? -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 8:41 am Subject: [Fot] MSD units I have become a firm believer that MSD stands for Might Suddenly Die, the boxes are the cause for countless DNF's, and the only value they add is to give you a rev limiter. The only rev limiter I use is my right foot, but I will admit it doesn't work all that well. Henry Frye Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jul 3 12:57:17 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? In-Reply-To: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? > > > >> I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The >> protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: >> >> #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 >> #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 >> #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 >> >> I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex >> Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever >> feels and looks thinner at the time. >> >> Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from >> the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced >> the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the >> sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and >> the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 >> and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per >> Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just >> measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of >> insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also >> cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned >> with lacquer thinner. >> >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? >> >> >> >>> Amici, >>> >>> I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? >>> Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. >>> >>> With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 >>> gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 >>> liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 >>> protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are >>> the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these >>> heights and variation? >>> >>> Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and >>> steel shim gaskets? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Rich Rock >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com >>> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 3 13:01:17 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:01:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2008 11:58:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. Au Contraire! (that's foreign talk ya know) Figure eight gaskets in ANY thickness are available from our own FOT Amigo Mordy Dunst at Gasket Works. Do a Google and he can solve all of your sealing issues. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:05:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:05:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jul 3 15:38:26 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? References: <002d01c8dbcf$c3802e90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <486D210D.1080900@pobox.com> Message-ID: <002001c8dd55$20a7ddd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I have been in contact with Kas and Glen Lund and upon re-checking and better measuring I think I have 0.0045 to 0.0060 with one "corner" on one sleeve at 0.007, if I believe the reading. Most readings are 0.004 and 0.005. I checked every 90 degrees on the top of the sleeve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Tim Murphy Cc: 'FOT' Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Liner Protrusion? No one seems to be answering the question, so I'll give my opinion even though I have less experience than most. I would not go with 0.002. I think more is better than less. With too much protrusion you should get sealing on the liners, but have a chance of not sealing elsewhere on the head. I like to use high temp RTV on the deck of the block (not on the liners), since it should fill a bigger space. I think some of us end up using the wrong protrusion because figure 8 gaskets are not readily available in different thicknesses. I have a fairly simple way to make figure 8 gaskets from shim stock. I can post some pictures if anyone is interested. Larry Young Tim Murphy wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? I'm just in the process of doing this myself on a TR4 motor. The protrusion that I have with the stock figure 8's is: #1 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.005 #2 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #3 Manifold side 0.002 Camshaft side 0.004 #4 Manifold side 0.004 Camshaft side 0.005 I'm using the composite (Payen) head gasket. I'll use either Permatex Aircraft Form-a-Gasket or Permatex Indian Head Gasket Shellac, whichever feels and looks thinner at the time. Note that on the figure 8 gaskets I found a little burr on the edge from the dies when they are stamped out. I stoned the gaskets and this reduced the protrusion by about 0.002 inch. I made the measurements with the sleeve clamped in to the block on opposite sides with washers, spacers and the head nuts (had to use toe clamps from the milling machine to reach #2 and #3). Prior to clamping and measuring I did "seat" the sleeves per Kas's book. I haven't measured the thickness of the figure 8's, just measured protrusion. Did mark all sleeves for bore hole and direction of insertion as well as marking figure 8's and position in block bores. Also cleaned the block "seat" by wire brushing, emery cloth and then cleaned with lacquer thinner. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Liner Protrusion? Amici, I'm building a new TR4 motor.? Planning to use a steel shim headgasket.? Along with the shaved head, compression ratio will be aprrox. 11:1. With the new 89mm liners clamped down lightly on top of dry figure 8 gaskets which measure .0145" thick, cylinders 1, 2, and 3 liner?protrusion measures between .003" and .004".? Cylinder #4 protrusion measures between .005" and .006".? My question is.... what are the chances the steel shim headgasket? will seal properly with these heights and variation? Further, what do you like to use for sealer on the (steel) figure 8's and steel shim gaskets? Thanks! Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cartravel at pobox.com From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 3 18:02:33 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:02:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian Championship Message-ID: Good Evening May the force be with you. Interesting no one responded with any factual info on the real question It pretty easy to get well over 400 hp out of a Porsche 6, strip the 914 down to less than 1500 lbs, and setup a truly "go kart" handling.........I do not get the eight cylinder setup.... but then I still love driving my 1975 911s with it's own wavy back end Cary In a message dated 7/3/2008 2:06:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hottr6 at hotmail.com writes: Bob Lang wrote: > Of course we get to run against a V8 powered 914 which should be > interesting. I've seen small blocks in 914s, and they are WAAAAY tail happy on slaloms. One tap o' the brakes and its all over. I'd be more worried about the Subies. Shane Ingate in NM **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 20:30:56 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank scapers Message-ID: Amici, With all the discussion on TR4 crank scrapers, I see a TR6 variant at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200235513214 A teflon option is offered. Anyone know anything of these? Shane Ingate in NM PS Y'all have a wonderful and safe July 4! Happy Birthday, Yanks! _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Jul 3 23:09:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of parts and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look out... tom From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jul 4 06:52:21 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered References: Message-ID: <000601c8ddd4$cd13a0c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Fantastic!! What great news to start the 4th of July. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Householder" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen LBC (Central Ohio) Recovered > on 6/27/08 1:18 PM, REK46 at aol.com at REK46 at aol.com wrote: > > I sent a copy to Scott Harper at Team Triumph too....he gets a lot of > parts > and car strips calls, in Warren,Ohio > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used > cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > The stolen Sprite was recovered in Zanesville Ohio ( about an hour away). > Where it sat for a week or so... Out of Gas. Thanks to all who Kept a look > out... > > tom > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Jul 4 08:25:19 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:25:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seat status report Message-ID: <200807041425.m64EPRsb270779@ns3.geneseo.net> This message for all who have expressed interest in installing Miata seats in their street cars -- I installed Miata seats in my street TR6 two years ago. They were cheaper than rebuilding the stock seats, they transformed the comfort level of the car and they look good! However, the installation was difficult because of the difference in mounting to the floor. Because of the high level of interest on the Triumph lists, I will be offering a kit that makes the conversion really easy. The pre-production run is complete, parts are powder coated, and sample parts are on their way to two owners for trial installation. The kit will include adapter brackets and hardware necessary for the installation. Price for the kit will be $59.95. The kit should be available for sale in a couple of weeks. uncle jack From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 5 09:54:29 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine Message-ID: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. single cylinder monitoring etc ... I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to free. I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other thing I never use. (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings after 10:00 AM during the week. Good stuff needing a home... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 5 10:17:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine References: <251874.29426.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c8deba$a654fc90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> This flies straight in the face of "he who dies with the most stuff wins". I may have to reevaluate my garage strategy. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [Fot] scope / tuneup machine > Would anyone want a decent Bear Scope? > This is the one that stands upright, storage cabinet below... > scope/dwell/tach/vacuum/etc. > single cylinder monitoring etc ... > I never use it anymore and I need the floor/wall space. > You would have to pick it up in Appleton and the price would be > somewhere between a couple of new or used but nice Aeroquip fittings to > free. > I'd like to get this out of the shop and out of my way. > I also have an exhaust gas analyzer I'd get rid of cheap .. one other > thing I never use. > (This one might go for 3 or 4 aeroquip fittings...) > For details, give me a call, its hard to tell it all in an email. > 920-733-5013. I'm home most of the day today and tomorrow then mornings > after 10:00 AM during the week. > Good stuff needing a home... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 15:05:55 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:05:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers Message-ID: Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 5 15:50:28 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm From spitlist at cox.net Sat Jul 5 16:05:48 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <001801c8deeb$4889cb50$0202a8c0@newcomputer> You can't buy advertising like that! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:50 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Jul 5 16:16:04 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: <806765.48547.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So Justin, when are you going to offer a gasket for the TR2 to 4 range and for those of us with sidescreen cars who have the alloy valve cover? Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: Justin Wagner To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 5:50:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin Paul Rego's website: http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Jul 5 16:27:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:27:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket Message-ID: Boy!!! He is really happy with you. Justified. I have three engines with your gasket installed. Joe > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jul 5 19:02:18 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Liner protusion Message-ID: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks for all of input and individual help from a number of people. After following the correct procedure and re-measuring 4 different ways I have what I think to be 0.003 to 0.005 protrusion, should be good with a composite head gasket. Learned a lot. Thanks again to all who helped. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 5 19:18:18 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:18:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The most embarrassing race I've ever done References: <003c01c8df03$f0697c40$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001001c8df06$3851ec70$6402a8c0@HOME> I've started 6th and came in 10th because lots of cars didn't finish. Wrong tire pressure was the cause. No corner I was able to get out full. http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4686367640133717637&hl=de The Sunday race was much better....I came up to 7th position and had a lot of fun. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Jul 6 18:17:04 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crankshaft Configurations - Re: Scrapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had to make minor "adjustments" with a file on all three of the cranks I have used. All three were short tail shaft cranks and used with the same I-J scraper and oil pan. Mike #28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- Terry O from Australia indicates that there are three possible configurations of TR6 Crank Shafts that may affect the application of the I - J Scraper. I suspect the variations are very minor and less of an issue with Teflon. But it is somethat that I - J will want to be aware of. (Note: all but two orders for TR6 Scrapers include the Teflon Option.) Any insight that TR folks have on these configurations would be appreciated and DOCUMENTED. Thanks! Joe Alexander From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 6 17:29:48 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:29:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 18:58:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Message-ID: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:38:37 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: <000801c8dfcc$a1fa0a60$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] From mdhado at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:50:19 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks like the attachment was blocked. I guess I don't know the rules on attachments. It is not possible or permitted with this distribution list? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Michael D. Hado Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM To: RACER BUD; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Bud, See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are small enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. Mike Hado - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location Hi gang... can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of mounting for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to the battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? thanks Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Overdrive Relay Location.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 19:54:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:54:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location References: Message-ID: <000e01c8dfd4$69c4b8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Mike..Wonderful..A TR3 guy will be very happy soon Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Hado" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > Bud, > > See attached from page 23 of the original TR2-3 red service manual. The > screws are inserted from the battery side of the box but the heads are > small > enough not to interfere with the battery or battery box insert. > > Mike Hado - Houston > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 overdrive relay location > > > Hi gang... > can someone help here?...Where is the Original location and type of > mounting > for the under the dash overdrive relay for TR3..some think..attached to > the > battery box, but then..what about the screw protrusion? > thanks > Racer Bud > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jul 6 20:37:11 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jul 6 20:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001c8dfdc$512fb7a0$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'll second that nomination. Andre has done a great job of restoring that car. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sun Jul 6 20:55:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <20080706.205525.4044.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I'll second another GT-6 owner/driver. Sounds to be headed for NASA. Bill GT-6+ On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:37:11 -0400 "Paul MacDonald" writes: > I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his > very > nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue > modifying > his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the > race > crowd, if not before. > > Here are a few words from Andre: > > > Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - > 2006. > I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing > the MK1 > to its ultimate potential. > > > I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped > GT6 or > Spitfire. > > > Bio on the GT6 > - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. > - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin > tails. > - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff > - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires > -Multipoint welded roll bar. > > May I have a second please? > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Free information on medical billing software from respected companies. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oiDnP3kI1C2QJt0mAgb9vpZ2Y0gngq1ajnQXYETUM4MFBHc/ From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 6 20:58:04 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080707025751.9D87918764B@autox.team.net> I'll second. Andre sounds like our kind of people... - Tony Drews At 09:37 PM 7/6/2008, Paul MacDonald wrote: >I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very >nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying >his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race >crowd, if not before. > >Here are a few words from Andre: > > >Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. >I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 >to its ultimate potential. > > >I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or >Spitfire. > > >Bio on the GT6 >- early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. >- Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. >- 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff >- 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires >-Multipoint welded roll bar. > >May I have a second please? > >Thanks > >Paul MacDonald > > > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Sun Jul 6 23:16:43 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c8dff0$a64da2b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> If this is the Andre with the powder blue GT6 I know from the GRM boards, I concur with the nomination. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:37 PM To: Fot Cc: Andre Rousseau Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Andre Rousseau a GT6 owner who flogs his very nicely restored GT6 at the local slaloms and will likely continue modifying his car until it is useless for the street and therefore join the race crowd, if not before. Here are a few words from Andre: Been a Triumph owner since 2001. Restored the GT6 between 2002 - 2006. I've participated Autocross with the GT6 and throughly enjoy pushing the MK1 to its ultimate potential. I'm working towards vintage racing. My goal is to own a race prepped GT6 or Spitfire. Bio on the GT6 - early MK1 engine, 060 pistons and balanced internals. - Ported intake with SU 1.75" dual carbs. SS headers with twin tails. - 5 speed T9 gearbox with 411:1 diff - 15x5" wheels with 195/50-15 tires -Multipoint welded roll bar. May I have a second please? Thanks Paul MacDonald -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Jul 7 06:44:58 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets In-Reply-To: <20080706192948.KMXPZ.38716.root@fepweb06> Message-ID: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Justins TR6 gaskets Man... I thought I was annal retentive... this guy takes the cake... funny all that stuff on a TR6 engine with THREE STROMBERGS??? Poor guy, no roller rockers or spacers for the rocker arms even... I think I've seen the three carb setup on eBay before... I have one of the gaskets on the racer GT6 and no problems... I like it so much, I'm going to get another for Barbra's TR6... All the best kids! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Jul 7 07:31:41 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:31:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Andre R Message-ID: I also will second Andre, I know him, and he is perfect for FoT Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 7 07:46:15 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Justins TR4 gasket In-Reply-To: <000601c8e02f$4481c860$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B33@server.Triumph.local> Interesting post Don. One of Justin's light blue gaskets for the TR4 came with the spares stash I got with my race car. I tried it one weekend I was killing lots of mosquitoes from a valve cover gasket leak, the silicone gasket leaked worse than the cork ones! Your comment about the gaskets growing when hot makes me remember some sort of deal where Justin's early gaskets needed to be cured in some way. I don't remember the details. (Big surprise, huh?) So Justin, can you shed some light here? What do I need to do to make my blue gasket work? I've got a street TR4 I would like to use it on. FWIW, what I did on the race car was buy an alloy valve cover from Moss. It didn't even sit square on the head, so my machine shop had to square it up, then I had them cut a slot for an o-ring. So I have stupid money in that valve cover, but it goes on and off painlessly and never leaks. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall > Sent: July 07, 2008 8:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Justin's TR6 gaskets > > I use one of Justin's gaskets on my TR4 but don't have it > glued to the valve cover as shown on this guy's website. > Since the gasket expands significantly when hot, is it > feasible to glue it to the cover for a race car since we tend > to remove the valve cover between sessions? Now, it goes > into a fridge or ice chest until it shrinks back to normal size. > Don From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 08:57:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paul Rego's webpage for my Silicone Valve Cover Gasket In-Reply-To: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> References: <486FECA4.6020500@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Justin Wagner wrote: > I've had gasket customers mention me on their websites, provide a link, > and even add a picture or two, but I've never had a customer go this far > out of his way to show the gasket! --Justin > > Paul Rego's website: > > http://www.74tr6.com/siliconegasket.htm I'm surprised that he didn't name his kids after you. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Mon Jul 7 10:17:32 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 9:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! Pray for world peace, Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 7 11:48:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 igofaster at charter.net wrote: > there's so FEW of us GT6 nuts left, I HAVE to stand up and nominate > Andre Rousseau to the FoT group... what, another guy with a GT6 and a > Toyota gearbox???? Good Luck and Happy Flogging! I think the T9 is a Ford tranny. As in Ford Sierra. > Pray for world peace, Amen. > Bobby Whitehead 1970GT6+ #54CVAR Group2 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:00:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Car for rent in NE for Weekend of Watkins Glenn Grand Prix? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071100qdb2e4eel338944614dbe398e@mail.gmail.com> My wife and I will be attending the Vintage Grand Prix and Kastner Cup Triumph race in Watkins Glenn on Sept 7-9. We are flying in to somewhere in NY from Seattle. It would be really cool if we could rent a Triumph from some member for that time frame? Would insure it of course. Does anyone have a suggestion or a suitable car they might consider renting out to a TR6 street and race car owner who can only attend this event as a spectator? Thanks, -- Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 12:02:36 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and I sure want to be with you all in the pits. -- Chuck Arnold From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Jul 7 14:14:00 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:14:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 4-7 Sept Message-ID: <07b301c8e06d$ff13e490$0201a8c0@Bevan> Guys I want to try and be there if I can - subject to wife's health and being able to get a US visa quickly. Your combined thoughts (off-list to avoid swamping it might be better?) regarding travel would be appreciated. 1. What is the closest international airport to the Glen? Currently I'm checking fares out of the UK from BHX, LGW and LHR to the various airports in New York state - i.e. JFK, NYC and La Guardia. If I do opt for a New York airport, is there anyone on the list travelling to the Glen from that general area from whom I could bum a lift? Happy to meet fuel costs if this will help. 2. If I can't get a lift, everyone's recommendations on the cheapest car rental firm would be appreciated. I want something small and cheap like a VW Golf/Rabbit. 3. What's the approximate driving time from New York to the Glen or from any other usable airport to the Glen? Looking forward to your thoughts Cheers, Jonmac Originator of The Triumph Trans-America Charity Drive 2009 www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk An event for full TRIUMPH Enthusiast participation From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:29:06 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm glad you got this started:) If after Chuck procures his passes there are two that aren't going to be used that you (FOT) want to sell, Evelyn and I would like to be on the list. Look forward to seeing everybody. Marty Sukey > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:02:36 -0700 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Pit crew passes for race at the Glenn > > Does anyone have a couple of extra spaces -- my wife and I are attending and > I sure want to be with you all in the pits. > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:31:57 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team Sukey? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 15:02:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <070720082102.2798.487284540006315200000AEE2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: marty sukey > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. Irv From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jul 7 16:17:50 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Empty Trailer or Car Dolly Available Phoenix to Ann Arbor, Michigan Week of July 14th. Message-ID: <4872960E.9070909@charter.net> I'm moving my daughter from Michigan to Phoenix next week towing her car either with a tow dolly or on an open car trailer. I will be empty on the return trip. If anyone wants a car (small) towed back to Michigan from out west please contact me ASAP. Or if anyone would like to donate (or sell cheap) a nice rust free LBC to me I will give it a good home back in Michigan. Cost would be gas expense on return trip (negotiable). Please advise if you are interested Thanks Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer project three TR6's, TR250 and a Spit From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 7 19:03:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR Message-ID: <1B506D8B.5794F019.00159EE9@cs.com> I plan to be there for a visit...i have an engine and transmission to finish for myself for THE GLEN and possibly the installation of a second one for THE GLEN, for someone else. That may divert my attentions. >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: marty sukey > >> Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team >> Sukey? > >I will be there, and I think Joe Alexander has it on his calendar. > >Irv >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Jul 7 20:08:45 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0807071102j3f8c086fge7dc6f20ea4827d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A80D8E49A6A43FAB93DDF1E05EC20F7@SohlPC> Marty, Linda and I will be there. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:19:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Message-ID: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 21:53:51 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 7 12:33:39 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: References: <20080707121732.C09M1.8688.root@fepweb14> Message-ID: <4362ae390807071133m630d84e5xd7b5e6c13d64c4ad@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone. Glad to join. And yes, its a Ford T9 out of a Sierra. Not vintage legal I guess, but for the time being I'm enjoying it. A. From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 23:39:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <000001c8e0a9$6be65090$b1191718@computer> <000401c8e0ae$3c8ca240$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: No reason to ask those guys, they wouldn't really know anyway. NGK is the plug any good motorcycle mechanic needed to know backwards and forwards. The next half step colder than BP6ES would be BP6EC, a full step colder is BP7ES. NGKs get colder the higher the number goes. E means 3/4 inch reach, H is half inch. B is the 14 MM (13/16) plug while D is the 12 MM (5/8). S is the hot end of the number range, C is the cold end. We always considered the C plug to be more of a racing plug, the design is different as well as being colder than the S. If you want the fine wire gold palladium version it's V, and it's the same heat range as the C plugs, so you'd want a BP6EV. Or you might go for the iridium center electrode which is I. P, by the way, means extended plug. I like the standard plugs a little better for most applications, so I'd go for a B6EC if I could find one. A lot of the plugs are not generally available, but motorcycle shops tend to have more access than parts stores. There are a lot more codes, NGK makes more specialized plugs than most manufacturers do (except Bosch). Their gold palladium plugs tend to be really good, you might want to try to find B6EV or BP6EV. Useless information cluttering up my head, like the decay chain for Uranium 238 (Thorium 234, Protactinium 234, Uranium 234, Thorium 230, Radium 226. Radon 222, Polonium 218, Lead 214, Bismuth 214, Polonium 214, Lead 210, Bismuth 210, Polonium 210, lead 205). But I have no idea where I put my keys. On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:53 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > ..Hi Jim bp6es is the plug that was recomended for the TR6...Stock > Engine.....if you want to run better at high rpms..go to a colder > plug.....ask the guy at the parts store what the next step up is.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim hearn" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:19 PM > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good >> performance from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high >> compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef >> which had >> a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 8 04:21:56 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 03:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT at VTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589972.33956.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be there, but I'll be commuting. I have already blown my hotel budget for the year. Doug --- marty sukey wrote: > Any of the FOT faithful going to be in Ypsilanti > next month besides Team > Sukey? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with > Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 05:57:07 2008 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:57:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 debut Message-ID: <10307141.1215518228027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Amici: I don't expect to make a habit of it but add one more TR3 to this year's competitions list. The VSCCA Lime Rock event on the 5th of July saw this poor old Allard driver making his TR3 competitions debut. I drove the TR to the track, raced it in the rain and took it home safely again. Compared to the J2 Allard the TR seems a mite light on power but perhaps more controllable in the wet. After driving TR3s on the road for nearly forty years, I guess it was about time. best to all jimdonick From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 09:23:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need to "borrow" a part Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807080823s3a589f26o3a83be95cea5c34c@mail.gmail.com> For the PI metering unit: I broke the fitting that the return line screws into [over torqued it and broke the piece off inside the unit, but have gotten the broken piece out]. Does anyone have one I could get by Friday mail so I can install this weekend? I will get a replacment out of England to return to you. Thanks -- Chuck Arnold 2420 Westlake Ave N Seattle, Wa 98109 425-241-0457 From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 8 10:45:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FoT, At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. Thanks. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:56:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 12:06:11 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:06:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons Message-ID: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 12:07:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ambro 001 In-Reply-To: <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> References: <070820081645.6755.4873998D000DFA8200001A6322230680329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <15447C07-C68C-45CB-BFED-BCAE96945B3F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <473048C7-17C7-47D7-90CC-AF281683CC7F@bnj.com> Since Peyote wasn't done in time, I raced the Ambro at the Pacific Northwest Historics last weekend. Didn't have time to do much to it before the race, and no time to familiarize myself. They put me in Group two which for this weekend is mostly sports racers. My best time for the weekend was 1:45 something, Peyote generally turns around 1:39-1:40. Not bad for the first time out. I developed an oil leak about two-thirds of the way through the feature race--a patch the modified oil filter adapter gave way. I got a meatball for smoking and pulled off the track into the infield immediately after seeing it to avoid oiling the track. In all, not a bad showing. The motor is weak, the car is probably 200 pounds heavier than Peyote, but it handles pretty well and has good brakes. It's very pretty--got lots of comments. I think I can get it up to Peyote level pretty easily. Here's a link to some shots Chuck Arnold took on the grid. http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/BillBabcockAndAmbro1AtFirstRace/photo#5219976110724929842 Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 8 13:24:42 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:24:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:44:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: In a message dated 07/08/2008 2:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time, rem9 at frontiernet.net writes: > I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike > Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique > individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be > missed. > Russ... I too knew Mike for many years and raced with him often at tracks out east. Great guy. Great attitude. He will be missed. Bill Dentinger ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 8 13:48:00 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:48:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm glad I met him. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 14:02:08 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:02:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <25460840.1215547328515.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken! Mike was very dear to me. One of the first TRiumph racers I met when our TR3 first went vintage racing. A very cool guy. I was aware that he was fighting cancer but tried to make a few VDCA races every year. Here is my favorite story: He'd taken to racing that darned 240Z instead of the GT6. I begged him to bring it back out, he belonged in it. He did. At the first race he'd run with it in a very long time I asked him how it was getting back in the GT6. "Just like sleeping with an old girlfriend"......classic! Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Russ Moore >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 8 14:49:30 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> Message-ID: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jul 8 15:49:38 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:49:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 headlight rims available Message-ID: Group, I have a 'mistaken order' on the shelf here, of a pair of TR-4 h-light rims still in their bag. What I 'really' need is one TR4-A rim. Figured I try you guys as a possibility. I have Moss #'s if needed. Thanks, Kevin 303 237-4248 klynch_6 at msn.com From rikrock at aol.com Tue Jul 8 16:13:04 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:13:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <003201c8e130$45cb72a0$d16257e0$@net> <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAF5EEDB38587-B98-40AE@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> I first met Mike back in the early-mid 70's when we both lived and autocrossed in Pittsburgh.? A great guy, he will be missed. Rich Rock From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 8 16:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Pistons In-Reply-To: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: One thing about Wiseco pistons. If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. This is only for stock street engines. For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" clearance. So be careful. A word to melted pistons. Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve clearance. Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. Steve B ------Original Message------ From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: westerneagleracing at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy to tell. I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into the bottom end. On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > FoT, > At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on > my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as > replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago > and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. > Thanks. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:03:42 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts Message-ID: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Jul 8 18:14:54 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2 TR-6's for sale, Western MAssachusetts, S.VT Message-ID: <00a301c8e158$d25b9c90$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Don't email me with questions! These are in the local penny saver: -=-=-=- 1972 TR6 53,000 miles. Runs excellent. Very original. New shocks, springs, ignition. All hoses replaced, seals and gaskets in motor. extras. Appraised $11,000 413-684-2449 Dalton MA -=-=-=- 1974 TR6, maple convertible, tan top, newer interior, runs and looks great, no rust, 91k, classic British roadster, $6900. Wallingford VT 802-446-2267 -=-=-=- Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 18:27:04 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack Message-ID: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everybody, My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a better way to go than the stock rack? Thanks in advance, Mark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jul 8 18:49:31 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts Message-ID: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that Mark Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because they are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't tried calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers but they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't think the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. Thanks again, Tim From mdhado at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:52:33 2008 From: mdhado at comcast.net (Michael D. Hado) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Tim, you might try Automotive Racing Products at arp-bolts.com. They have hardened, parallel-ground washers in any size, with or without I.D. chamfers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 18:58:46 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <002c01c8e15e$f1a97850$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Tim....ALL rod bolts/main bolts should be replaced every time..new bearings are inserted Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'FOT'" Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; "Ryan Murphy (work)" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" that > Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day because > they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but haven't > tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the washers > but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I don't > think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 19:20:13 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:20:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock conn rod bolts In-Reply-To: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001a01c8e15d$a6344270$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <6D7B10BD-CD83-4529-95FB-5EBFCA0D8CF0@bnj.com> ARP can also supply head studs. I like the ones that are a little longer for the short corner bolts that often develop cracks in the block. You can drill and tap a couple more threads if you get a proper bottoming tap. On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Forgot to ask in the last post about stock TR4 conn rod bolts. I > have one > "bad" one (goes in tight, either stretched or dinged threads that I > can't > see). Moss has bolts that apparently are made of the "unobtainium" > that Mark > Donohue said Penske was using in the Can-Am cars back in the day > because they > are $17 each. Checked the ARP web site, didn't see anything but > haven't tried > calling yet. Can also call and ask about the washers. > > Forgot to mention that I did look in McMaster Carr and MRC for the > washers but > they didn't have the hardened and ground. Sorry about that. I > don't think > the Gr. 8 washers are case hardened, not positive however. > Thanks again, > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 8 20:01:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <2C4C00CF.43282F44.00159EE9@cs.com> that's two this year...with doc ceilley. from Boston. joe a >I remember meeting him at Mid-Ohio. We can't afford to lose GT6 racers, I'm >glad I met him. > > > >**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jul 8 20:51:05 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:51:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <48742799.6090908@bradakis.com> On a somewhat related side note, I pulled the head off a TR6 recently that came into the shop needing some work. Oddly enough, each and every head nut was installed upside down. I would assume that if whoever worked on it last just wasn't paying attention, some would be correct and some would be upside down, in a random pattern. But having them ALL be incorrect struck me as a bit odd. mjb. From jibjib at att.net Tue Jul 8 21:08:56 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts In-Reply-To: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c8e157$4019dbe0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <017501c8e171$21342a40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Tim, Ken G. has hardened washers, as well as double height nuts for heads, so the loading on each thread is lessened. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:04 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan Murphy (work) Subject: [Fot] Hardened & Ground washers for cyl. head & rocker post nuts I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. Thanks, Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 21:22:09 2008 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil and zinc Message-ID: I just got a sale flyer from Goodson Tool and Machine(1-800-533-8010). They have a break in lube that contains zink. It is $21.99 and the part number is EOT=16. Thought this may be of interest. Lorne Fritz _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 From dave at microworks.net Tue Jul 8 21:31:00 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709034255.HMMT29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> FOT List member Bill Close makes a really trick rack. Maybe he will chime in At 05:27 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >better way to go than the stock rack? > >Thanks in advance, >Mark >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:18:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to cool a plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained high revving. -----Original Message----- From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM To: jim hearn Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 Jim- The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new stock # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't recover & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell to my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. Fred Hodgson _____ > From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance from > in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high compression > and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great > success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced plugs > (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 23:31:47 2008 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for five years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss quick ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so familiar with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i got it . old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i didnt do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle 144.3 last weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. jeff quick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > Hi Everybody, > > My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a > steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a > better way to go than the stock rack? > > Thanks in advance, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:57:03 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8e183$329cc780$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: It would probably be fine. On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 PM, jim hearn wrote: > Do you think that the BP7ES has any possibility or is it just to > cool a > plug for this application? I am looking for some pretty sustained > high > revving. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:29 PM > To: jim hearn > Subject: RE: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 > > Jim- > > The BP6ES's are a good choice. I also favor Champion N12YC's (new > stock > # is 38) On Champions, the higher the number, the hotter the plug. > NGK's are the opposite - lower number = hotter. I haven't been at all > impressed with the platinums, etc. If the gas foul, they don't > recover > & I've found them to be more prone to missing especially if you have a > stock ignition system. The standard Lucas system doesn't have a high > enough output to deal with resistor plugs & wires. I can't see paying > the premium price for the upscale (?) plugs when the standard, > non-resistor plugs are cheaper & work just fine. That's what I sell > to > my customers & haven't had any difficulty for years. > > Fred Hodgson > > > > > _____ > > >> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:19:23 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] What are some good spark plugs for a TR6 >> >> What make and model spark plugs are you guys getting good performance > from >> in TR6s. My TR6 is a 74 with a little hotter cam but not high > compression >> and I am using NGK (BP6ES). Just wondered if someone is having great >> success with something else and also whether or not the enhanced >> plugs >> (Iridiums, platinums, etc) are worth the extra money. >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:58:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> References: <285b8a860807081727n1dba647aod7c26baea2cf642c@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c8e185$152782b0$ec2fe862@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: That's a pretty good time at Pacific Raceway On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:31 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I race vintage up in the nw with sovren. i have run the car tr4a for > five > years with a stock steering racio and recently installed the moss > quick > ratio rack. it took me alittle adjustment time becaues i was so > familiar > with the way the car steered. i was turning in way to early till i > got it . > old habits are hard to break. two races on it now and i wonder why i > didnt > do it earlyer. i love it set my personal best lap time at seattle > 144.3 last > weekend finshed 6th out of 47 great time. > jeff quick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Vaden" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 "Quick Rack" steering rack > > >> Hi Everybody, >> >> My Bro-in-law is building a TR4 based sports racer, and he needs a >> steering rack. Has anyone used moss' quick rack (667-175). Is this a >> better way to go than the stock rack? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 9 00:07:13 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pistons References: <1759210093-1215540445-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-736928561-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Holes in the center of a piston are from PRE- IGNITION, cracks along the side and broken rings and damage on the edge of the piston is from detonation. Detonation will generally be the most evident at the exhaust valve side of the piston. Pre-ignition can be caused by too lean mixture, to hot of spark plugs or sharp edges in the combustion chamber. (head gasket intruding into the combustion chamber) and other stuff like an air leak at the inlet manifold. Detonation is generally caused by too much spark advance, lean mixture, poor quality gasoline. -------------------------------------------------- From: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:27 PM To: ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > One thing about Wiseco pistons. > If they suggest a piston to wall clearance of 0.003" - don't believe them. > This is only for stock street engines. > For racing engines they suggest on their web page 0.005 - 0.006" > clearance. > So be careful. > > A word to melted pistons. > Pistons with a hole in the middle often die from lean mixture. > Pistons with a hole through the ring zone often die from not enough valve > clearance. > Detonation often does harm the rings and break them. > > Cheers > Chris > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von colordog.1 at earthlink.net > Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 20:06 > An: Bill Babcock; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > I just bought a set of Wisecos from Ken G. They are beautifully made. > > Steve B > ------Original Message------ > From: Bill Babcock > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: westerneagleracing at att.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons > > Did you figure out what burned the holes? That would usually be an air > leak, but it could be detonation. You tell by looking at the pistons. > Look online for pictures of pistons with detonation vs. air leak--easy > to tell. > > I like the pistons that Ken Gillanders sells, whatever they are. I > think they're wisecos, but I'm not sure. You need to do a through > cleaning of the engine after a piston holing. Lots of junk gets into > the bottom end. > On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > >> FoT, >> At the Wine Country Classic I burned holes in two of the pistons on >> my TR-4A. I am interest in what you racers would suggest as >> replacement pistons. The engine was built about a year and half ago >> and dynoed at 165 hp. It has Carrillo rods that were not damaged. >> Thanks. >> Ron Jacobs >> Western Eagle Racing >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Jul 9 05:59:29 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:59:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another fot lost In-Reply-To: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> References: <002701c8e13c$1f73cfb0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <8CAAFD260913E28-2C8-4A7@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com> This is a real bummer, he was a good guy. Richard said it well, Mike was the epitome of a Vintage Racer... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: 'Russ Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or two. Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] another fot lost I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be missed. Russ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Jul 9 09:08:58 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: AUTOBAHN Message-ID: <200807091509.m69F95Xg352014@ns3.geneseo.net> >Jack, > >There was a question about the test day at Autobahn. The note from Phil Cull >below says "yes" and gives the details. We expect over 100 race cars at the >event. > >Please pass this on, I am on the road...........Wismer > > > >************************************************************************* > >Bob: > >Yes it is very much on. > >It is a Autobahn function with mentoring from Tom Bagley. > >$150/day or $100 = day (PM). > >Phil; From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jul 9 09:31:20 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:31:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] hardened washers Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts and > the > rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he > makes > sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder head > which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss but > they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and > they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they still > got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of the > rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and ground > washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending causing > the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed and > maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty new > at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the > size > needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier who > would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jul 9 09:42:15 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74C8944D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Summit Racing sells these as a distributor, at somewhat lower prices than buying from ARP directly. Two days regular shipping to Appleton, probably the same to Fond du Lac. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Ryan Murphy; Ryan.Murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > To: "'FOT'" > Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" > > > I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts > and the rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on > fasteners and he makes sense to use these washers in this application, > especially the cylinder head which has spot faced locations for the > washers. I have washer from Moss but they all are "crushed" and > obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file and they are just plain > washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, > almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and > they still got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering > if some of the rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good > hardened and ground washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's > tension and/or bending causing the breakage that has been reported. > This has probably been discussed and maybe everyone is already using > these type of washers. I'm still pretty new at this and still have a lot to learn. > > Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in > the size needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with > a supplier who would sell just 20 or so. > > Thanks, > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 Tim, ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need measurements when ordering, including thickness. Also get their catalogs. Leon http://community.w ebshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 9 10:25:49 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hardened washers References: Message-ID: <04bd01c8e1e0$7400c2f0$b0660143@your55e5f9e3d2> Caterpillar has some hardened washers and sell in slmall quantity at the local dealer. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Ryan Murphy" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] hardened washers > In a message dated 7/8/2008 5:15:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> To: "'FOT'" >> Cc: Ryan Murphy , "Ryan Murphy \(work\)" >> >> >> I'm looking for hardened and ground washers for the cylinder head nuts >> and >> the >> rocker stud nuts. Been reading Carroll Smith's book on fasteners and he >> makes >> sense to use these washers in this application, especially the cylinder >> head >> which has spot faced locations for the washers. I have washer from Moss >> but >> they all are "crushed" and obviously not very hard. (Checked with a file >> and >> they are just plain washers as far as I can tell, the right size though, >> almost.) On the rocker studs, I had used double Gr. 8 washers and they >> still >> got "dished" into the rocker pedestal holes. I'm wondering if some of >> the >> rocker pedestal stud breakage is from not having a good hardened and >> ground >> washer under the nut and the nut loosing it's tension and/or bending >> causing >> the breakage that has been reported. This has probably been discussed >> and >> maybe everyone is already using these type of washers. I'm still pretty >> new >> at this and still have a lot to learn. >> >> Would appreciate anyone who has a source for these type of washers in the >> size >> needed. Did the usual Google thing and haven't come up with a supplier >> who >> would sell just 20 or so. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 > > Tim, > > ARP or Coast Fabrications both supply such washers, you will need > measurements when ordering, including thickness. > > Also get their catalogs. > > Leon > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 > 6:33 AM From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jul 9 11:36:53 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] another fot lost Message-ID: <16255821.1215625013984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We just happen to be in Atlanta this week to visit family. Ive found out that his memorial wake will be at 2:00 tomorrow at St John Neuman. Kathy and I will attend and offer our condolences to Claire from our group. Mike Munson # 28 EP TR6 -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 4:49 PM >To: 'Russ Moore' , fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] another fot lost > >If we who meet at the race track use Mike as the standard by which character >is measured, I believe that we will all have to raise our sights a click or >two. > >Our little group here in Atlanta has lost a good friend and a very fine man. > >Richard Taylor > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Russ Moore >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:25 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] another fot lost > >I learned the sad news today that after a long fight with cancer, Mike >Cammerata, passed away this weekend. Mike was an absolutely unique >individual who raced his BRG GT-6 almost from new. #56 and Mike will be >missed. > > > >Russ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 11:49:37 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:49:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Message-ID: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob From vanlake at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 11:52:27 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:52:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spark plug gaps Message-ID: <070920081752.19390.4874FADB0004C4B100004BBE22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Since we are on the subject of spark plugs, what plug gap do you recommend when using the BP7ES in the TR6 race motor w/MSD units? From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 15:46:59 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Message-ID: <000001c8e20d$51383730$f3a8a590$@racer@comcast.net> Nice photo of Joe Alexander's AMBRO project car which appears in the current issue (Sept.) of Classic Motorsports magazine. This one was taken a few months back at WyoTech in Wyoming where some of their students have performed work on the car. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Jul 9 18:55:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hardened and Ground Washers Message-ID: <001c01c8e227$b5908b50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks to all who replied, especially the info that Summit Racing has the ARP Chromemoly washers at a good price and quick delivery to my area. I ordered them today from Summit and also a catalog from ARP. Thanks again for the great response. Tim From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 9 21:30:33 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 9 22:47:45 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080710044745.FFCR7689.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? I've got an old test report for the TR2 that gives drag at 10 mph as 29 lb; and at 60 mph as 112 lb. Should be able to calculate CdA (drag coefficient times frontal area) from that (making a few assumptions like both the Cd and drag due to other factors remaining constant), but I'm too lazy to work out the math. BTW, any idea if the numbers you linked to are with top up or down ? Randall From jibjib at att.net Wed Jul 9 23:26:40 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020c01c8e24d$892d5db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano palm top Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 10 07:41:05 2008 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 07:45:34 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:45:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: > Ken, > > It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far > too high. > Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:41:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > >> Ken, >> >> It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . >> it's far >> too high. >> > > Jack (Ken)... > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Wed Jul 9 17:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Why would it be any higher than a TR4? Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs >> > > > Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. > > > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:57:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001101c8e21e$8ce9d4d0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <8930BDF8-AC84-475A-87F2-BFD8FD869443@bnj.com> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aeorodynamic, modern" triumph On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Why would it be any higher than a TR4? > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected > Triumphs > > >>>> >>> Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 09:07:17 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 10 09:11:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:11:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. Bill Dentinger ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 09:18:46 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:18:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DC680FE-0319-4301-B906-91B120825430@bnj.com> Message-ID: Lack of fuel? More pump pressure - larger float valve - larger connection between float chamber and jet? Hope this helps? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 17:07 An: dale oesterle Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] spitfire woes Possibly resonance, you might be getting a node right around the jet area. You could try a different trumpet and see what happens--anything that changes the length of the intake should change the resonance of the system. another possibility is float bowl frothing induced by carb vibration, or the float bouncing up and down. One more reason I'd like to get rid of the SU's on the Ambro--I really don't want to learn all about these carbs. On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:41 AM, dale oesterle wrote: > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp > and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 > 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 10 10:24:38 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: Message-ID: <00b701c8e2a9$7324ef90$0302a8c0@Charly> I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like shape. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > In a message dated 07/10/2008 9:58:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Barn door vs. kitchen door. TR4s were the "aerodynamic, modern" triumph >> > Might be my MASONRY background, but I always felt the TR2-TR6 were all > 'bricks'. The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had > a heavy > design influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its > release. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. > > The GT6 and Spitfires have to rate better than the early TRs. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jul 10 10:40:54 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:40:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2008 9:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:24:38 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for > selected Triumphs > To: , , > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > I had always heard that the Jags were designed by the senior aerodynamic > designers of the highest caliber, and when it came time to design the MG's, > the gave the chore to the junior designers and the task of designing of the > TR cars was given to the warehouse stock supervisor, hence the box like > shape. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Red Triumph Vitesse = flying brick. No comment on the CD, but as it somehow gets all the way up to 120mph before the front starts to lift, (dangerously), I class that as nothing short of a miracle, (or power to weight ratio), but then again NASA says bees can't fly! If I'd been interested in CD then I'd have bought that Lotus Elan instead! L http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Jul 10 11:09:04 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Message-ID: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. http://www.formula1.com/ Very cool, even without the video. Cheers, Bill Sohl From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:18:21 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> it was on Fox out here..norcal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points > lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off > at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it > anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. > The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I > ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 11:29:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:29:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 11:31:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:31:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <004001c8e2b2$7da9df80$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: I watch F1 but my hard goes with sports car races. But I have an onboard of where my next race takes place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yZl2JWoRU -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Curry Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 19:29 An: Bill Sohl; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings Bill, It was tape dalayed and played on FOX later Sunday depending on which time zone you are in. Sped replayed it in its entirity yesterday morning (I believe). I have my DVR setto record anything on Speed with Formula 1 in its title so it recorded while I was working. Come on down to Arizona and I'll let you watchit before I delete it! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 11:47:53 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a problem a friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of the hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed just like a check valve. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dale oesterle Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jul 10 11:44:29 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> <007001c8e2b0$f4c546b0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <002401c8e2b4$9a8865c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> I was there in the rain at the Silverstone Racing Club's .... watching them all come through Brooklands, round Luffield and Club ..... where Massa spun a few times (and Webber) .... Hamilton was peerless .... twitchy in the big puddles, but only one little off that I saw ...... whatever he has got is very special. Ive seen little better. Shame about Coulthard ..... I had my Saltire flying for a fellow Scot, but it just wasnt his day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Bill Sohl" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > it was on Fox out here..norcal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sohl" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings > > >> Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the >> points >> lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 points off >> at 46. >> >> I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find it >> anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried by FOX. >> The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or fit at all. I >> ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via Formula 1 web side. >> >> http://www.formula1.com/ >> >> Very cool, even without the video. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill Sohl >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 10 17:33:44 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Seero - Steve_McQueen - Bullitt Chase Scene on video and Google Maps--Cool Message-ID: <20080710234149.EMAB28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Very cool. Watch the chase on the left side of the screen and follow it via GPS on a Google Map on the right side. >http://www.seero.com/video/Steve_McQueen_3 From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jul 10 19:51:19 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:51:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <20080710.215119.23369.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> I had a similar problem at 6000 rpm on my TR3. I had to soft mount the carbs on the manifolds. I used a Weber soft mount kit and adapted it to my TR manifold. The Weber one is basically an aluminum plate with a 1/2 O-ring on each side. The carb mounting nuts also have a thick rubbery washer between them and the carb body, so that there is some play there. Just get it tight enough to seal, but not so tight that it is all solid. Come to think of it I had a similar issue with my Spitfire, but I never had it on a dyno and did not know better. I just made the jetting real rich and it worked, but tended to foul plugs when going slow. Joe(B) -- dale oesterle wrote: Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale Oesterle Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/JKFkuJO6pj12kQRWVyRJZm5qW8fgIT m4mxDkcTIBNMsu4D6pibHbWy/ From john at race-dogs.com Thu Jul 10 17:20:29 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> What is your Fuel Pressure??? John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "dale oesterle" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the chassis > dyno and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the > fuel/air goes to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any > ideas? Dale Oesterle > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=53A61741F9.579AF From srcypher at mac.com Thu Jul 10 20:04:36 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> References: <506113.391.qm@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c8e2e3$8abee900$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <3944492F-5E07-421D-97A6-7BE66BC1A4EF@mac.com> Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a dyno... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 15:59:49 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:59:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Oil Sump Message-ID: <000d01c8e2d8$476fed30$6402a8c0@HOME> As you sometimes are refering about crank scrapers and sump bevels....did one ever test them? This is how to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc& Cheers Chris From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 20:45:57 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:45:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes Message-ID: <071120080245.16051.4876C9650003505600003EB322120207840A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> I've seen valve float on the dyno. Looks pretty much like what you descibe Dayle. Pulls well until it hits a magic number, then all hell breaks loose. Easy to check. Pull a couple valve springs and check them...if you are a place with a chassis dyno, there should be a valve spring checker near by. Back to back with a new set found about 40 lb difference. Also, beware that I've found Isky has quit selling the good spring sets for the Spits. We are trying to find a suitable alternative, but haven't come up with anything yet. aaron -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > Is valve float likely? I've not personally seen how that show on a > dyno... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > _______________________________________________ From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 10 21:18:06 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c8e304$bde95920$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Bill, Nope, I missed adding the . Sorry. I've always felt the 3 was an aerodynamic nightmare, but in reality, it may be better than the 4-6's. It would be interesting to get a side by side comparison. I've even more sorry I missed the weekend at Pacific Raceways. Things got crazy here and I didn't realize it was "that weekend" until Sunday night. Grrrr. Yeah, I know it's the 4th, but I just didn't "get it". Sorry for the confusion. Jack _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: jibjib at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Jack, I assume you are serious, do the calculations for drag come apart at higher drag numbers, like pipe turbulence does? On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:45 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 07/10/2008 12:27:07 AM Central Daylight Time, jibjib at att.net writes: Ken, It's impossible to calculate the Drag Coefficient of a TR3. . . . it's far too high. Jack (Ken)... Drop any decimal, and put your paper in the landscape position. Bill (Damdinger) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:46:10 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:46:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Formula 1 standings In-Reply-To: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> References: <13F3A8487AC4435191E564CF428BB7FC@SohlPC> Message-ID: The FOX-carried F1 races run on a fox affiliate on Sunday and speedvision on wednesday. I avoided F1 news until wednesday because I haven't figured out how to get the FOX show tivo'ed. It was a great race, well worth digging up to watch it. If you're a race fan and don't have Tivo you're nutz. Really, you've got to see this race. Hamilton's driving was superb, amazing, inspired. I've driven high performance race cars in the rain a lot (in Portland you learn to race in the rain or you don't race) and I have NO idea how he does it. The camera coverage was amazing-- every spin and screw up had at least four or five camera angles. Masa was spinning everywhere, his car was clearly not set up properly--he's usually very good in the wet. Kimi drove a great race, so did Kovalinen. Rubens Bariccello came from a Q1 qualifying position to finish third. Drove the wheels off that crappy honda, but was also greatly aided by the right tire strategy--full wets while everyone else was trying to use a drying track to get away with inters. Some laps he was SEVEN SECONDS faster than P1. Even Kimi--the king of catching a sliding car, did a spin. Heidfeld finally drove a good solid race for second. Excellent, excellent race. Diane was yelling and screaming so much I had to replay everything twice just to hear what was going on. She's become quite an F1 fan. Only sporting event she'll watch, but she's super hooked. She even watches most practices and never misses qualifying. F1 has become a pretty big Sunday morning deal at Casa Babcock. Champagne, strawberries and omelets, good Kona coffee. These fox races are a pain in the neck. I think I have it set for the German GP, but we'll see. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Bill Sohl wrote: > Wow, about half way thru the season and there's a 3 way tie for the > points lead...Hamilton, Massa and Raikkomen at 48 with Kubica only 2 > points off at 46. > > I tried watching the race last Sunday (British GP) but couldn't find > it anywhere...although Autoweek magazine said it was to be carried > by FOX. The local FOX affiliate in Philadelphia had no mention or > fit at all. I ended up with live lap and sector stats coverage via > Formula 1 web side. > > http://www.formula1.com/ > > Very cool, even without the video. > > Cheers, > Bill Sohl > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:05:15 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes In-Reply-To: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <001f01c8e2b5$16e47cd0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <756DB0E6-1555-4802-BFA3-6121EEB78572@bnj.com> Oooh. That's nasty. I bet that drove him nutz. I had an overtemp problem with Peyote for awhile that turned out to be the intake hose sucking flat. On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Take a look at the inside of the fuel hoses. Sounds similar to a > problem a > friend had years ago. A small flap was cut on the inside of one of > the > hoses and when the fuel flow got to a certain point, the flap closed > just > like a check valve. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of dale oesterle > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:41 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] spitfire woes > > > Folks: My 1296 pulls easily to 7000 rpm, slowing 90 hp on the > chassis dyno > and Fuel/Air at 13.0. At 7,000 I abruptly lose 20 hp and the fuel/ > air goes > to 17. I get the same affect on 1 1/2 and 1 1/4 SUs. Any ideas? Dale > Oesterle _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 22:14:11 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Message-ID: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:33:33 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:33:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 10 22:46:11 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c8e311$0b2d0c70$0202a8c0@newcomputer> 178 mph, NOT TOO BAD FOR A Chevy! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed around the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, have a look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds ranging from 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! Gary http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri ng-attack/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Fri Jul 11 05:40:30 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:40:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! In-Reply-To: <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8e34a$eca090d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> We watch Top Gear on the BBC America channel of Direct TV. Funny stuff. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:34 AM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed > around > the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, > have a > look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds > ranging from > 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! > > > > Gary > > > > > > http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26- 4-ri > ng-attack/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 06:38:11 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! References: <000001c8e30c$92c29ec0$b847dc40$@racer@comcast.net> <4A47CDA7-13B6-43DE-91B0-9A5D4934897D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002f01c8e352$fbb9f270$0200a8c0@Desktop> Because Top Gear is good at it and not owned by NASCAR/Toyota ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Gary Horstkorta" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nurburgring lap in under eight minutes! > My very favorite Nurburgring vid is one from Top Gear (why doesn't > Speed Channel run that show?) that shows this whacky, wonderful (and > very cute) Sabine Schmitz who drives a Ford Transit delivery van > around the track almost faster than Clarkson's best time is a real > car. She is awesome and what a gal! What a driver. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE > > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > >> Thanks to Mr. Marx, we were recently given a Triumph tour at speed >> around >> the Nurburgring. For a slightly different perspective, ie, faster, >> have a >> look at this 7:26.4 minute lap in a Corvette ZR-1 with speeds >> ranging from >> 60 to 178 mph. I'm exhausted just watching the video! >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ri >> ng-attack/ >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 11 09:31:26 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rob Stewart please contact me Message-ID: <005201c8e36b$2eab8e60$8c02ab20$@net> Sorry to bomb the list but I don't have Rob's current e-mail. Russ Moore From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 09:55:21 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri Jul 11 10:27:52 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films Message-ID: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> http://www.pirellifilm.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 11:08:39 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: <610802.80453.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I should have mentioned that two of the road tests also presented data for the TR2 in "Speed Trim". The drag coefficient was reduced about 10%, but the frontal area was also reduced to 12.15 sq ft, so the overall drag was reduced a total of 30%. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Young To: Ken Gano palm top ; Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:55:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs The early roadtests of the TR2 and TR3 give some graphs from which the Cd can be back calculated. I did this some time ago. Unfortunately, the numbers were not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 with 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is 15.5 sq ft. The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 would be a good number. I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Larry Young ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Gano palm top To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:30:33 PM Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I thought this might be of interest. http://www.mayfco.com/triumph.htm Does anyone know where I can find similar data for a TR3? Kg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 11 11:12:12 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Unfortunately, the numbers were > not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 > with > 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is > 15.5 sq ft. Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably add another 0.1. > The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 > would > be a good number. Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were supplied. > I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. Sure, I'd like a copy. Thanks, Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jul 11 18:14:01 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kinda like the BMW films In-Reply-To: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03 .cox.net> References: <20080711163023.YBFZ6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <20080712001351.BBF22187648@autox.team.net> Wow. I LOVE Uma Thurmann. I'm pretty sure she digs me too. :) - Tony At 11:27 AM 7/11/2008, David W. Riddle wrote: >http://www.pirellifilm.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 19:12:14 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale Message-ID: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct with him. Nothing in it for me. Dean T, TR3A58 at verizon.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 11 22:37:59 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for transmission cross shaft Message-ID: <000001c8e3d9$10113270$6401a8c0@blake1> I need a replacement Clutch Cross Shaft for my TR6 transmission along with a release fork. If anyone has measurements for the shaft, I think I could make it easily enough. Does anyone have a spare release fork they can part with? Thanks, Greg From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Jul 11 17:46:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:46:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale References: <542678.16940781215825134253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002701c8e3b0$4762b6a0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Does anyone know of other commonly available diffs with limited slip that can be used in solid axle TR rears? i.e. 28 SPLINE 8.8 POSI LIMITED SLIP FORD RACING 4.10 GEARS commonly found on ebay for about $300. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: [Fot] 4:08 diff for sale > A fellow Triumph club member has an Infinity Q45 4:08 diff for sale > complete with Richard Good kit to install in any IRS 4A-6. It was used > briefly in his 4A but decided the ratio was not suitable for a street > car. A good buy for any autocrosser or an OD equipped car. A good deal > at $750 plus shipping or pick up in Richmond, VA. Contact me if > interested and I will give you the contact info and you can deal direct > with him. Nothing in it for me. > > Dean T, > TR3A58 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 16:20:08 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Greg Message-ID: <615571.60942.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Excuse me, but Greenman - off the list please. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 13 16:21:47 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:21:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the wet so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are causing quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is a check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in the case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. What do you folks do? Marty _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 16:56:47 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:56:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <000401c8e53b$baf72790$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Hi Marty One way valve .... I have one on my ally tank in the TR4 and it stops this on the rally stages and tests ATL supply a good one, so do EarlParts and Goodrich. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 16:59:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:59:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 13 17:04:41 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:04:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: <002701c8e53c$22e6ab00$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <000b01c8e53c$d50dd0b0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Oh .... and a U bend in the vent line ..... rest as Bid says .... Ill send you a pic if that helps, but I have a 60 litre tank on board so comparisons will stop there .... ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "marty sukey" ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the > level > of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where > the > original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as > possible > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marty sukey" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the >> wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is >> a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in >> the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. >> What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:05:24 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:05:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:03:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hi Martin..the vent line on my spitfire is run all the way up to the level of the deck lid(attached to the body..in the trunk.. near the area where the original gas cap was)..You want the end of the vent line as high as possible Racer Bud Run it up as high as possible as Bud advises but add a loop as an air trap. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jul 13 17:08:28 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent References: Message-ID: <001c01c8e53d$5d5582b0$6401a8c0@S1099895562> Had the same issue here. Vent hose runs from top of fuel cell to a bulkhead fitting through the trunk floor. First time I used it there were getting panicked calls from corners that I was dumping fuel. (jeez, people, it evaporates quickly.) One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in the > wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. There is > a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of business in > the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard corners. > What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:09:22 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:09:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2008 4:08:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: One solution, don't fill it full. But I also came up with another ... bought a pair of really cheap work gloves at Wal-Mart, the brown cotton kind. Cut off a finger and slipped it around the part of the bulkhead fitting that sticks out under the trunk floor and safety-wired it there. It still vents, even drips a bit when full, but it doesn't pour any more. Never had the problem again. Clever! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:31:08 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: route it up high and put an air filter on it. On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in > the wet > so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are > causing > quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. > There is a > check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of > business in the > case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard > corners. What > do you folks do? > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > messenger_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 18:35:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as high as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will generally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. On Jul 13, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > route it up high and put an air filter on it. > On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:21 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Took the Spity out for it's first real autox today. First one was in >> the wet >> so I didn't give it much a test that time. Anyhow, left handers are >> causing >> quite a bit of fuel to be dumped out of the fuel cell vent line. >> There is a >> check valve of sorts in the line at the tank to take care of >> business in the >> case of a rollover I guess but not doing the trick in the hard >> corners. What >> do you folks do? >> >> Marty >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ >> messenger_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jul 14 08:40:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:40:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Seat Conversion Kit-Miata Seats Uncle Jack Message-ID: List NFI: I just got word that Uncle Jack just placed an order from my son for 25 kits...this was after two successful trial installations to prove the concept. I suspect that these first 25 kits will not last long. You might contact Uncle Jack and get your name in the que so that he may place an order for a second production run. Made on production tooling and powder coated....nicely done and with instructions. Contact Uncle Jack at vinttr4 at geneseo.net He will be around most of the week and then we are off to Road America. Joe A From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 10:16:55 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:16:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a line as h igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it will gener ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check valve. >> I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. When people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were referring to th e rubber flapper in the fill pipe. During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I didn't have a vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the fuel to keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to work. Maybe the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come in off of the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my calibrated dipstick. I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any suggestions ? ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 14 11:27:08 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:27:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PCV valve - $1.99 anywhere. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because > it will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged > off. When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow > the fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I > come in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 12:05:23 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:05:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Generally the vent connector for the fuel cell has a check valve in it. That's true in all the ATL cells I've used or seen. On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:16 AM, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/13/08 5:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > << I see a lot of folks have said the same thing. You should run a > line as h > igh as you can, but also put an air filter on the line because it > will gener > ally suck grit into the tank which can easily screw up the check > valve. >> > > I ran for years with the vent fitting on the fuel cell plugged off. > When > people would talk about a check valve, I thought that they were > referring to th > e > rubber flapper in the fill pipe. > > During annual tech. this year, it was pointed out to me that I > didn't have a > vent line. I was asked how air would get into the tank to allow the > fuel to > keep flowing. My answer was that I didn't know, but it seems to > work. Maybe > the vacuum is relieved enough due to the fact that every time I come > in off of > the track, I remove the fuel cell cap and check the fuel level with my > calibrated dipstick. > > I probably should add a vent line. I assume that the normal suppliers > (Summit, Jegs, etc.) sell these check valves/vent line setups? Any > suggestions > ? > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene > in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Billbab at gmail.com www.kenalu.com www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Jul 14 12:15:37 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:15:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/08 8:12:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: << The TR7 struck me as aerodynamic. I always thought the TR7 had a heavy de sign influence on the entire auto industry during the decade after its releas e. Pity it was released before all of the bugs were fixed. >> My son raced his blue TR-7 in ITB this weekend. It looks a little like a lengthily cigar. It did have a heavy design influence at 2400 plus pounds. It doesn't accelerate very well, especially with his 260 pounds in it. ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 13:09:57 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fuel cell vent Message-ID: Marty, Some folk suggested terminating the vent line with a air filter. Expensive. Use a gas filter. Cheaper and does a better job. Shane Ingate in dusty NM _________________________________________________________________ Its a talkathon  but its not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk From rikrock at aol.com Mon Jul 14 16:22:06 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Torque Plate? Message-ID: <8CAB4172F0C78F1-1430-2B3F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Anyone have one they would be willing to rent or sell? Thanks! Rich Rock Pottstown, PA 610-804-9047 (cell) From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 07:58:40 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, This is NOT my car. There's a GT3 TR6 for sale on the NER web site. The car is owned by a guy named Tony Martin and the price is pretty cheap (the advert lists $8500 OBO). I haven't seen the car race for a while, but this used to be a wicked fast car and may still own a couple of track records on tracks in the northeast. At any rate, got to: www.ner.org and then follow the links to "classifieds" to see the advert. It appears that Tony might be in some hurry to sell the car, hence the low price. He had been asking as much as $12.5k in the recent past. I'm sure there are updates that could be done to the car to make it better (last I knew he was running stock TR6 hubs, but that was a LONG time ago). And the car could likely be "downgraded" to run EP in SCCA. It'd take a tonne to get the car vintage legal, but it's probably do-able. I have no financial interest in this, just putting it "out there" because I am semi-familiar with the car. regards, rml NER is New England Region SCCA. The car is in Dartmouth, MA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 08:44:53 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. BTW, the numbers that are posted on the Mayfield site come from a DOS program called CarTest. There is no telling how reliable those numbers are. I've attached a copy of the spreadsheet and realize it will not go through to the FoT list. Randall wrote: >> Unfortunately, the numbers were >> not consistent from road test to road test. For example, why could a TR2 >> with >> 85hp go 108mph and a TR3 with 100hp go only 100mph. The frontal area is >> 15.5 sq ft. >> > > Is that with the stock windscreen, or racing screens? My mirrors probably > add another 0.1. > > >> The drag coefficients ranged from 0.47 to 0.63. I believe 0.52 >> would >> be a good number. >> > > Same problem, the car can be reconfigured for measurable changes in Cd. > Spats, tonneau cover, etc. I believe tires start playing a role in overall > drag at higher speeds as well and of course several different tires were > supplied. > > >> I can share the spreedsheet if anyone is interested. >> > > Sure, I'd like a copy. > > Thanks, > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:43:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 F/S Message-ID: Hi, A few folks reported that they couldn't find the link to the classifieds, so if you want to peek at the GT3 TR6 advert, try this: http://www.ner.org/forums/index.php/topic,56.0.html rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jul 15 09:57:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT3 TR6 f/s Message-ID: Here's the text from the ad... Very competitive regional race car . Fresh motor, car has been inside garage stored for its entire race history. Must sell $8500.00 OBO. Call or E mail for additional specs.Tony Martin 508-997-7291 pitstop851 at verizon.net The car was listed on www.race-cars.com a while back for more $$$$ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Jul 15 11:08:37 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller radiator opening. That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold my 2). Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: Randall ; Ken Gano, home ; jibjib at att.net Cc: FOT Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs I did a bit more on this stuff. The inconsistency was to do with the power available and power required. The Autocourse article has unreasonable values even though it states "Power at road wheels". I don't believe a motor that dynos 90hp can generate 86hp at the road wheels. Once scaled back, everything looks reasonable. It looks like Cd = 0.48 for the TR2 and 0.58 for the TR3. In Jabekke trim, the Cd = 0.43, but with frontal area reduction CdA was 32% less. I don't know why the TR3 should be that much different from the TR2. The only major difference is that the TR3 test was for a hardtop car, while the TR2 tests were for a soft top with top and sidescreens erected. I'd think a hardtop would be better. The numbers are supported by the top speeds. The TR2 went slightly faster with 10 fewer ponies. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 15 11:58:22 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> Message-ID: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> The TR3 test was for a small mouth. All of these early road tests seem to have used a 3.7 rearend. Based on the graphs in the articles, 3.7 OD was perfect for the Jabekke runs (max power at max speed). In stock trim, it looks like a 4.1 rear would have been better. In fact, I thought many/most of the early OD cars were sold with a 4.1 rear. With the 3.7, 4th OD was too high and 4th was too low. A 4.1 in OD might have cracked 110mph. You'd think Triumph would have capitalized on this. Larry Young Terry Stetler wrote: > I believe the difference can be attributed to the TR-2's smaller > radiator opening. > > That gaping maw on the 3 is pretty draggy. (I never should have sold > my 2). > > Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jul 15 12:16:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs In-Reply-To: <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. Randall From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Jul 14 21:20:56 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:20:56 +1100 Subject: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs References: <146165.61809.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><04b201c8e379$4332f4a0$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <487CB7E5.9050003@pobox.com> <487CE53E.4030707@pobox.com> <0d0501c8e6a6$ecd43930$ad5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004601c8e629$cc42da00$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> How is this Cd measurement taken? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] drag co-efficient and frontal area data for selected Triumphs > > The TR3 test was for a small mouth. > > Any other suggestion as to why the Cd is so different, then? It doesn't > seem like moving the grille back to front would make such a dramatic > difference, and AFAIK the sheet metal was nearly identical otherwise. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Jul 15 20:59:48 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length Message-ID: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and I don't..... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 16 10:14:09 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:14:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is it. Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 10:30:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: Message-ID: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 rather than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas changed. Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with the 2.5 liter engine. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > > If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this is > it. > > Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > ly_safety_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:19:09 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were going to be lose a radiator. I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in the horsepower race. One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > rather > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > changed. > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > the 2.5 liter engine. > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 >> >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > is >> it. >> >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >> > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami >> ly_safety_072008 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 16 12:21:44 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:21:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Kas, That is good information and not unexpected as far as the revs go. I have a small bearig 1296 Spit engine that shares a lot of attributes with that 2.0 liter engine and using your preparation guide as a resource I have it beefed up, and with the electronic Fuel injection I built, I have has it up to 8000 rpm for short intervals and so far it is holding together just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > When in my possession the Candy Box was always fitted with a 2 liter engine > (GT-6 & Vitesse). We made 210 bhp at 8000 with car using a stock crank and > rods and cast pistons. All these parts were stock to start with but ended up > of course another value. There were some very cute things in the make up of > this car including the roll cage that also has 1.5" bars right behind the > little aluminum bumper. I presume all that is still there. The folks in that > series were a little rough and I was determined if you hit this car you were > going to be lose a radiator. > > I loved the 2 liter engine as you could rev it right out the window with the > stock parts reasonable checked and reworked. The 2.5 is a good now that > there are steel cranks and rods available and also crank dampers and in > truth 35 more years of working on the thing. Hard to beat cubic inches in > the horsepower race. > > One time I was running the GT-6 engine on the dyno and Ak Miller came to > visit. He watched as I took it up the rev scale at 500 rpm increments > holding it at each point for readings then going on up without releasing the > revs. Ak watched until it got 7500 and I said the next stop was 8 grand. > He said "not with me in the building" (no confidence in straight 6 engines) > he went out the door and I never saw he again. Eight grand was not the > ending point either. It was pretty funny at the time. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > >I read the attached document in the EBAY site and it says the car has a 2.5 > > liter engine. I would think that this has to be an engine from a TR5 > > rather > > than a Vitesse as was first installed and raced. > > > > Does anybody have any clarification on this and when the enginewas > > changed. > > > > Kas, what's your opinion on how the2 liter 6 compares in performance with > > the 2.5 liter engine. > > > > Joe C. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shane Ingate" > > To: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:14 AM > > Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. > > > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170239451115 > >> > >> If ever a car deserves to go to the Monterey Hysterics or the Mitty, this > > is > >> it. > >> > >> Shane Ingate, thinking of emulating Bonnie and Clyde, in NM > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > >> > > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami > >> ly_safety_072008 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:28:50 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:28:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring Compression Length In-Reply-To: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> References: <9DBB4545-4D4B-4A8E-AC06-04F19059DC87@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, I just went thru this on a TR4 - I assume your dealing with a Spit, so my #s won't help you. But... contact your cam manufacturer for the specs. For the TR they were 100lbs at 1.625" installed height. They didn't give a spec for rate so I didn't worry about it. However, the very cool, computerized, "spring dyno" I used, calculated the actual rate at about a 293 average for all 8 [sounds like a very nice number but actually means nothing to me!]. To measure, you need to mic. the retainer thickness [in my case . 135"] and add that to the installed height. The total will be the number you're looking for and at that [installed] height you want the spec number given. Mine were a bit stronger than spec at 109lb avg. but within my comfort zone. Measuring the [actual] installed height is the tedious part. It is hard to get any measuring device in where you need it, so make yourself a gauge. I took a piece of straight, stiff wire and cut it to 1.625". The idea is to measure between the spring landing at the head and the landing step for the outer spring on the retainer. One method [easiest] is to install the valve, retainer and keepers but no springs and pull to full extension and measure - I found it much more accurate and only a bit more time consuming to assemble each valve using only the inner spring. Now stick your gauge between the spring landings and use feeler gauges to figure the gap - this number will be the height of any shims you may [probably] need. Remember that no two valves are likely to be the same. How much each valve and seat has been ground dictates the height. This is just my way of doing it. I'm sure others have different [easier?] ways. Hope it's of some help. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > Can someone walk me through how to test a valve spring? I have the > spring tester you put in a vice as well as the kind you use with a > torque wrench. In either case, I need to know the compression length > (I think) of the spring in order to determine the spring rating, and > I don't..... > > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 16 12:42:15 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 Message-ID: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> FYI to FoT, Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that they will get to the bottom of it. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 13:22:20 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 References: <6A4C799B-795B-4357-A18F-991BF3727638@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011f01c8e779$44d68e30$0200a8c0@Desktop> Greg Sound like this guy Ken is good people and will stay after until he gets it right....it feels good when you guys that Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Another note on valve springs - TR4 > FYI to FoT, > Seems that Moss has some mis-marked valve springs bagged as TR4. > While the inners I got may be correct, the outers are not. Maybe came > from a 3 spring set. After talking with Ken in tech, I got the > impression that their entire stock may be suspect. He assured me that > they will get to the bottom of it. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 03:56:16 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:56:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170256w76a7558v2f09e3c09c5c2b79@mail.gmail.com> Love my 2.0, but have not tried it beyond 6K. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 06:32:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kas' Vitesse on eBay, again. In-Reply-To: <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002601c8e761$48591220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <003c01c8e770$cd51c260$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807170532t195adc15x9e38f842e98ece33@mail.gmail.com> I love my 2.0, but have not taken it above 6K :) A. From bentleyblvd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 07:14:05 2008 From: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com (John Hornbostel) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Message-ID: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 07:34:33 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 09:38:54 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Test Post Message-ID: <4362ae390807170838v16dc8701t3df7d70f510e581d@mail.gmail.com> Just seeing if I can post. Cheers. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 10:24:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 10:33:49 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 10:50:12 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:18:38 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c8e839$88c60d80$9a522880$@net> Not to worry, the Speke built cars are not well known for their longevity.................... Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Stetler Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:34 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild +1 Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 12:26:48 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:26:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <8CAB651CF0B7C04-9B4-210@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) ==AM== You are correct; it can't be a 1961 and almost definitely is a 1963! (Technically, the displacement should be 1147cc, not 1300cc, but that's another story, I suppose....) I always get a bit of a kick out of folks who claim their US - spec. early Spitfire 4 is a 1962 model...especially since the cars weren't even introduced to the US press until January 1963! ;-) --Andy Mace From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 12:32:06 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> Message-ID: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 12:58:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... > Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John > Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is > up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list > Racer Bud > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From don at dcphotos.com Thu Jul 17 13:15:04 2008 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:15:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jul 17 13:17:57 2008 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:17:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> <007301c8e83f$136db640$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <003d01c8e841$d2bf2680$783d7380$@aero> I know what you mean; my '79' Spitfire is really a "78" (vertical radiator). I understand BL dealers often titled cars in the year they were sold and believe this is one of them. I was at the local tax office this week, getting antique plates issued (no annual inspection!) and asked to have it corrected. The commission number is also incorrect on the title. The answer from the very nice lady was that it was going to cost me $60+ to change a typo. Never mind. As for the Monterey List; How can you "backdate" a car two years earlier into a model year that did not exist? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:58 PM To: Russ Moore; 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Since Triumph designated the model year up until 1967 as the actual year in which it was built, all those other "model years" are really immaterial, including those cars withthe infamous "STC" plates. A car built in the last day of December 1963 is a 63 car whereas a car built on January 1 of 1964 is a 64 model even though the cars may identical in every respect. That remained in place until it became necessary for Triumph to pay attention to emission and safety requirements designated in particular US Model years. They were forced to adopt the methodology that US manufactureres were using at the time to designate a year model of the car. Simply stated, after 1967 the year model designates the safety and emissions standards in effect att he time. My 2 pence worth, Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 17 13:41:34 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004801c8e845$20786e10$61694a30$@net> ......1147cc actually with a FC prefix engine. Most vintage groups don't raise a serious stink whether an early (round tail)car has the FC 1147; the FD or FE small crank 1296 or the FK large crank 1296 as long as the engine size is represented properly when entering an event. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Couch Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Also, it would be an 1100cc not a 1300 if it is a MK1... not that I'm being picky either :-) Don On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:50:12 -0500 > From: "Robert MacKenzie" > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8e82d$2e7c0070$8b740150$@aero> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct > for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car > FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV > Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf > Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 15:41:29 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:41:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS In-Reply-To: <003901c8e83b$6acec770$406c5650$@net> Message-ID: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry Database http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 for sure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but I have seen it happen over the years. The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a VIN which wasn't caught for two months. One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this car or is there a misprint on the entry list? If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park to say Hello! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 From: "RACER BUD" Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS To: Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jul 17 15:50:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:50:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS References: <003101c8e855$dff32fe0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <009801c8e857$2f497080$2d02a8c0@Belkin> According to the BMIHT 1573 was the first Spitfire made in 1963. So anything earlier than that would of course be a 1962. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: "'Russ Moore'" ; "'Robert MacKenzie'" ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > My Spitfire is #5996 and it is a 1963. According to the Spitfire Registry > Database > > http://members.cox.net/spitlist/mk1.htm > > the 1962's ended somewhere between #1553 and #1575. #11209 would be a 1963 > for sure. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Russ Moore > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:32 AM > To: 'Robert MacKenzie'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > > There is disparity in many of the earlier cars. The referenced "year" of the > car in some states was determined by the actual production model year while > in others it was listed by original date of sale. So, depending on where you > resided at the time, a car may be considered a 1962 because it sold in that > year even though it was a car built in the 1963 tooling year production run. > Yet in another state the same car if it didn't sell until January of 1964, > would in some states, be listed as a 1964 Spitfire. Absolutely confusing but > I have seen it happen over the years. > The above doesn't even address the errors that various DMV's make over the > years. Think of how many opportunities they have to screw things up with a > 45 year old vehicle. I have experienced errors in year; type of engine; > seating capacity and weight. Ever hear of a GT-6 with a seating capacity of > 6? New York DMV seems to have that on their mind! They argued with me my > F-350 Powerstroke was not a diesel even though I was the original owner and > knew better. They cancelled a registration on me after they made a typo on a > VIN which wasn't caught for two months. > One could write volumes on similar issues. It would make humorous reading. > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:50 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > > Just curious about something; is the year/commission number correct for this > car or is there a misprint on the entry list? > > If I remember correctly; Spitfire production began in '62 and a car FC11029 > would be at least a '63. (Not nitpicking - just curious) > > BTW: I will be racing this weekend (Sat & Sun) in the SCCA SWDIV Solo series > #3 in Houston. If anybody is in the area please come by Gulf Greyhound Park > to say Hello! > > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:24:28 -0700 > From: "RACER BUD" > Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS > To: > Message-ID: <009601c8e829$96647bd0$0302a8c0 at Bud> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st > spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a > hardtop... Tide Ebding's TR4 is also running(this is Steve Froines' 'OLE > BLUE'...John Wilburn's 59 Peerless Ambro(TR3 power )is racing also . The > entry list is up..Google Monterey Historics the first site will take you to > participants/then entry list Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jibjib at att.net Thu Jul 17 16:02:30 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Jul 17 16:21:33 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:21:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be around. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Brooks To: fubog1 at aol.com ; bentleyblvd at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Does the TR8 escape this wrath? Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:35 AM To: bentleyblvd at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Friends don't let friends drive TR-7s... (sorry) Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbostel > To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:14 am Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild Amici, Have a friend who is in the early stages of TR7 rebuild. He is looking for any good sources for engine parts...intentions are for a strong, mildly tuned street car. Appreciate any input. Thanks! John H Hornbostel '63 Vitesse Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 16:28:02 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: <4944FC7F-FC59-468F-B89B-9211E9AE5A46@bnj.com> Anyone that has seen Kas' TR250K knows what the TR7 should have looked like. We'd ALL want one of those. It's the only car in the Hart collection that I've begged for, and there were plenty of cool cars in that collection. On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > If the TR8 had been sold instead of the 7 Triumph might still be > around. > > Terry > -- > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 17:21:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:21:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 engine rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <760937.16497.qm@web58202.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CAB628FB4FBAB0-9E0-61@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <006201c8e858$cffcb3b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: I'm selling a bunch of TR3 transmissions and other parts on ebay. If anyone needs anything TR3-ish you might drop me a line, I'm cleaning the shop. I have too many TR3 transmissions, a couple of complete rear ends (new brakes and bearings) and boxes of dusty parts. I need to make room to work. I also have an overdrive case and various plates, springs, hubs and parts. I confess I don't know anything about overdrives From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:39:28 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen Message-ID: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing something, but I like to very well informed. I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or should I aim for other locations. Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 18:54:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <809EA95E-305C-446D-A6B6-F9EF880240E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <53435E5D-77F7-4567-8828-EEE193AC0CFE@gt6.ca> They showed $50 for the camping off the Glen track site. A. On 17-Jul-08, at 8:51 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > There is a KOA close to the glen, but as I recall, the tent camping > in the unrestricted areas is free or cheap right at the track. I'm > sure others can tell you more, but lots of people camp at the track, > and I don't think they were collecting anything but entry fees. > On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to >> do >> the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... >> >> Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing >> something, but I like to very well informed. >> >> I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or >> should I aim for other locations. >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 19:10:28 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:10:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <017201c8e873$11a57bc0$0302a8c0@Bud> what a life you guys have..that must be a beautiful place to camp! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 19:17:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16801CC5-2B64-419F-A6F2-10AA6309006A@gt6.ca> That would be fun. Even if I pay the fee, its all part of the experience. I'm going to wait to hear from a few more of my Ottawa friends. I'm kinda hoping to piggy back on them for food. One less thing to try and pack into the GT6. I mean all that Canadian Beer takes space eh. PS http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08raw/nikon/slides/DSCN3664.html On 17-Jul-08, at 9:11 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I will be camping at the Glen....in the Paddock. I expect some tents > to be erected near me in the Triumph Area of the Paddock. I cant > say for sure, but I think this will be OK. Sure OK with me. > > I am not anticipating a charge for this, but dont know. It's been > quite awhile since I have been there and things have changed. > > Joe Alexander -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 20:28:44 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, called Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, just over the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can make this up?) WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner worker. And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen > Ok, about to order my ticket for the Glen, making the commitment to do > the 6 hour run in the GT6. Rain or Shine... > > Want to know about the camping. I think the Ottawa Crew is organizing > something, but I like to very well informed. > > I see you can still get Tent sites at the track is this worth it? Or > should I aim for other locations. > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 17 20:34:27 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping at The Glen In-Reply-To: <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <0128A89F-176C-4E8C-A064-2EDFE7709B65@gt6.ca> <058e01c8e87e$00de9690$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Bill. How's the weather around that time of year. A. Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 17-Jul-08, at 10:28 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Hi all, there's a campground in town, at the foot of Seneca Lake, > called > Clute Memorial. Clean, and good showers. Reasonable price. On 414, > just over > the bridge, past the salt mine and Wal Mart. (What, you think I can > make > this up?) > WGI has no shower facilities near the pits/paddock. There are showers > available at the track if you know where to look. Hint: ask a corner > worker. > And have a handful of quarters. Or give me a shout. > Good luck, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 17 20:37:17 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3A help needed Message-ID: <631972.29759.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HELP!!!! I have a customer with a couple of TR3A things I dont have for him ... any help??? 1). He has a squeek in his steering column that he cant find... any usual (or unusual) spots to look???? 2). We need a fuel gauge for the same car. This is a restored car, but a street driver, not a show car so aftermarket may be okay if it looks the same.. Anyone have one they want to part with, and price? Thanks in advance, Tom From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 21:39:47 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:39:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 Message-ID: The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 07:46:25 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 References: Message-ID: <003801c8e8dc$ac00ec90$0302a8c0@Bud> That was a red one?..That's the only one I've seen there Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SPITFIRE IN MONTEREY HISTORICS in 2000 The Spitfire that was accepted back in 2000 was owned by the couple who help organize the Chrysler Speed event in San Diego. It was claimed to be an early Sebring racecar, but I was told by the previous owner that it was really not the case. I do not recall seeing the car at Monterey since 2000. In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:23:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Entry list is up for the Monterey Historics..Stan Rinne's Spitfire is in(1st spitfire accepted since about 2000) it's a nice car..black with a hardtop... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From d.hesse at charter.net Fri Jul 18 08:58:49 2008 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 7:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jul 18 11:19:23 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most Triumph addicted :). In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, d.hesse at charter.net writes: This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 /attach/July%202008.pdf For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-2795. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 13:21:12 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm, probably a good frame or two in the batch to replace my pretzel:) Marty > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:19:23 -0400> To: d.hesse at charter.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6> > Anyone who buys this lot will automatically qualify as one of FOT most > Triumph addicted :). > > In a message dated 07/18/2008 6:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > d.hesse at charter.net writes:> > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports> Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group.> > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550> /attach/July%202008.pdf> > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6> Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods,> and other body> parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames> plus bolt on fenders> to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames.> Engines are rusted> and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru> Roadster Factory> and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some> starters, generator> cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for> vintage vehicles and> cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There> are no> guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would> like to pass on> automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence.> Stored 7 miles off> I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309)> 292-2795.> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:05 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 In-Reply-To: <20080718105849.K88S3.5781.root@fepweb11> Message-ID: <20080718172205.0P74M.14418.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 18 15:22:43 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] For Sale: TR4, 4A, TR6 Message-ID: <20080718172243.NH2X6.14431.root@fepweb10> I have a pile of Spitfire stuff like that. Plus enough engines and trannies to sink a boat. I can't imagine fitting it all into a cube van. ---- d.hesse at charter.net wrote: > This was posted in the latest issue of the Chicane which is the Madison Sports > Car Club newsletter. Just passing along to this fine group. > > http://www.madisonsportscarclub.com/chicane/2008/exfile.2008-06-25.6344943550 > /attach/July%202008.pdf > > For Sale: TR 4, 4A, TR 6 > Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, > and other body > parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames > plus bolt on fenders > to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. > Engines are rusted > and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4Abs have replaceable sleeves available thru > Roadster Factory > and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some > starters, generator > cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for > vintage vehicles and > cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $4,500 or best offer. There > are no > guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would > like to pass on > automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. > Stored 7 miles off > I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) > 292-2795. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Jul 18 17:16:00 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <001101c8e1ec$28348080$2faf184c@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Rob, I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was hoping to send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the files are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and burning a CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well as posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 18 19:55:22 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap Message-ID: A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jul 18 20:00:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:00:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's item! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap A gathering of suds lovers will take place at this years national convention. It will be an informal gathering of friends to share your favorite home brew or that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap will take place on Tuesday August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. It will be a prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will provide the room, tables and some glasses. Bring your favorite cold special beverage and possibly some snacks that would go good with beer. Game plan is to mingle and sample others favorite beer (or whatever) and if you find something you gotta have you can swap the owner one of his bottles for one of your bottles and have something to take home. This will give us an opportunity to sample some home brews made by fellow Triumph owners and possibly some micro brews from different parts of the country that you normally would not get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so we can try and do some planning . Thanks,Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register http://www.vtr.org Triumphs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.team.net/archive From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:01:49 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: Message-ID: <000701c8e943$68a7b0c0$0302a8c0@Bud> How about lap times before ..and..after the Beer? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "6 Digest" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "FOT" ; "TriumphList" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Beer Swap >A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 20:07:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:07:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap References: <000301c8e943$38aafdf0$0402a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <001f01c8e944$4404eac0$0302a8c0@Bud> Wooohoo!..boy do you guys have fun,,,In Central/Northern Ca,.it's almost like Triumph race cars never existed...Maybe the Coast is now in 'Idaho' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'marty sukey'" ; "'6 Digest'" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "'FOT'" ; "'TriumphList'" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > Bring some "Pre-Takeover" Bud. It is surely going to become a collector's > item! > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > marty > sukey > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:55 PM > To: 6 Digest; FOT; TriumphList > Subject: [TR] VTR 2008 Beer Swap > > A gathering of suds lovers will take place > at this years national > convention. It > will be an informal gathering of friends to share your > favorite home brew or > that special microbrew that you like. The Brew Swap > will take place on Tuesday > August 5th in a designated room at the host hotel. > It will be a > prelude to the welcome reception, from 4:00 to 6:00 ish. We will > provide the room, tables and some > glasses. Bring your favorite cold special > beverage and possibly some snacks > that would go good with beer. Game plan is > to mingle and sample others favorite > beer (or whatever) and if you find > something you gotta have you can swap the > owner one of his bottles for one of > your bottles and have something to take > home. This will give us an opportunity > to sample some home brews made by fellow > Triumph owners and possibly some > micro brews from different parts of the > country that you normally would not > get to try. If you plan on participating please give me a direct reply so > we > can try and do some planning . > > Thanks,Marty Sukey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 21:23:55 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it for you. On Jul 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Keith Files wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I have the same system and I cannot compress the files either; was > hoping to > send my Mosport experiences from last month to a few people but the > files > are just too large at 1gb and 268mb respectively. > > Did you manage to find an answer to the problem? > > Cheers, Keith. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: 09 July 2008 18:50 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc > > Is anyone using this digital recorder.I am ok with the down load and > burning > a > CD. However I can not edit or compress it to send in e-mail as well > as > posting to U Tube.I am trying to use it with Windows Media player > thanks rob > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 18 22:02:26 2008 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats Message-ID: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> There was a thread a while back about Miata seats fitting into TR's narrow seatwells. I mentioned this to my buddy Loren Ziglin and he said he still has the two original seats he took out of his Spec Miata taking up room in the basement (near Madison WI). If anyone's in need they could drop him a line at lorenz at firstweber.com. NFA, don't know if he's thought of an asking price but the car was perfect and he's a totally straight shooter. At least except for giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero maintenance until I throw sockets at him. Gary Schneider From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 08:43:09 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 7:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA classification book show me E production... I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... Is this guy pulling my leg or what? Would like to confirm by the FoT.... Kindest regards, Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 20 09:04:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much difference anymore... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 20 09:33:41 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002801c8ea7d$fd602f90$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bobby, It all depends what year SCCA rules your car was built to meet. CVAR uses 1972 rules, so unless you have documentation to support that your car was built to another year, or possible another race organization such as FIA, you will be classified according to the 1972 SCCA PCS. That states that you should be classified as DP. GT6's were fast cars so they got bumped up over the years. In 1969, as evidenced by the 1969 SCCA PCS that you can pull up through this link: http://www.sovren.org/competition/rules/pcs/PCS69%20Index.htm the SCCA classified the dual SU GT6 as EP. Since you have that set-up you should state on your Tech Declaration Form that you are running under 1969 rules and you will be OK as long as you meet the rest of the Specs. Your car is has decals stating it is an EP car because it came from the SVRA which separates GT6's into EP for SU's and DP for triple Webers. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 11:39:14 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission Message-ID: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Greetings again, After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did well in it's first race but a few issues surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any given stint. Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or so shifts. It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just yesterday with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm using Red Line 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be checked while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It seems like a good idea to do some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like clicking sound coming from the OD while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I have been told that third is troublesome anyway. It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat bushing upgrades to suit the J type OD. I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for racing, what would you do ? The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio changes ? While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race footage of a BMW with a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 &feature=related Thanks again, Jim Gray RMVR From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 11:44:40 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Message-ID: At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? ~Steve From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 11:56:11 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <8F626F23A8084C24A4C79F2CDE7FFDF1@KasPC> I ran GT-6 cars from 1967 thru 1972 and they were ALWAYS in E production category. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jul 20 12:00:57 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FAF1EA44BE44EB8A8D664A9AD517E79@KasPC> You are right Steve, I stand corrected. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > SCCA did move the GT6 to D prod in 1971 in a vain attempt to curb it's > winning ways. Vara did the same to me in 2001.. Doesn't make much > difference > anymore... > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:04:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? References: <20080720104309.7MKNM.37302.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <003e01c8ea93$1939ce50$0302a8c0@Bud> I raced D prod in my tr4s from 1970-1976...Gt6s and Datsun 2000s were my main competition..the Gt6 of course was a more advanced design...anyway...YES..they were dprod ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > One of my really smart guys at CVAR is telling me to be quiet, that my > 1970 GT6+ is really D production, not E production.... > > Everything I've looked at (including my Group 44 pictures) and the SCCA > classification book show me E production... > > I THINK we go by the rules book from 1973 and prior... > > Is this guy pulling my leg or what? > > Would like to confirm by the FoT.... > > Kindest regards, > > Bobby Whitehead > #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 12:10:20 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <004e01c8ea93$df85f750$0302a8c0@Bud> We always used the overdrive without all of the relays on top of the tranny... when you do a new tranny..weld an angle brace on(i think the non-starter side) where the bellhousing meets the trans racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car did > well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and I'm > using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going out. I > have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Jul 20 12:19:00 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720141900.TQTIB.246930.root@fepweb05> Thanks AGAIN to clarification... I'm not that fast yet to run DP with Bob Kramer and the Porsches.... 'course I'm still working on the 'seat time' ... shifting @5500 rev limiting 6000 rpm. Gosh I have the greenest eyes wishing I was going up to New York and Watkins Glen! Bob Kramer is headed up from Austin... I'm only about 200 miles farther north... I calculated about $700 fuel costs... plus plus plus... I've decided to finish out this year down here with CVAR, maybe make an out of state journey next year... Thanks Kas, Steve, and Bob K for the info on EP... Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Triumph GT6+ EP From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:43:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:43:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 J type overdrive transmission In-Reply-To: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> References: <009201c8ea8f$87a6fd30$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <255E36D0-50CD-4785-9A5F-50BFC96AF25A@bnj.com> If it were me I'd ditch the overdrive and go to a good dog box. Exactly what I plan to do with the Ambro. I like having the other ratios, but I don't really find an overdrive useful in a racing situation. You need to fiddle with it too much. If it were a five or six speed gearbox you'd just be shifting, but too often I find myself grabbing a lower gear and forgetting to switch the overdrive back so I don't get the gear I want. You can get used to anything, and I could probably come up with some automatic thing, like using a momentary button for the overdrive that would switch back to straight drive when I released it. But then I'd be getting used to that. I find four gears are adequate for most of the tracks I drive given the torquey TRactor motors we're using. A steel crank to let the engine rev (even if it's not making more ponies) and a well chosen rear end seem like a better choice. Might not be so with heavier cars, but seems right for me. At the price overdrives sell for these days you'd probably be most of the way to a dog box trans by selling what you have. I'd definitely want one in any street TR that I built as somewhat correct, so mine will probably go into the Red TR3 in my shop (in other words, that I wouldn't just stick a five or six speed trans into). Sequential gearboxes are great, but you have to get used to them too. When I was racing both a Radical and Peyote I had all kinds of goofy problems caused by forgetting what car I was in--like not being able to find the shift lever. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Jim Gray wrote: > Greetings again, > After 2.5 years the TR4 build is done ( for the most part) The car > did well > in it's first race but a few issues > surfaced. The overdrive has never worked more than about ten shifts > in any > given stint. > Once the car is completely cool it would function again for another > ten or > so shifts. > It seems to go into free wheel or a neutral. I replaced the solenoid > just > yesterday > with no change in symptoms. I regularly check the fluid level and > I'm using > Red Line > 75-90 per John Esposito. I have heard the transmission pressure can be > checked > while the car is being driven. Any hot tips there would be > appreciated. It > seems like a good idea to do > some daignostics before I pull the tranny. There is also a rotaional > like > clicking sound coming from the OD > while staionary in neutral and goes away once it's moving. I rate it > on a > nasty clicking sound scale a 6 out of 10. > I also have trouble with third gear. I think the syncro is going > out. I have > been told that third is troublesome anyway. > It's pretty clear the tranny needs to come out before the next race. > This is a stock tranny with no more than the layshaft and steel hat > bushing > upgrades to suit the J type OD. > I am wondering, if you, the FOT, were building a new transmission for > racing, what would you do ? > The diff & gear is the 3.70 with a quaife. Any suggestions regarding > ratio > changes ? > While doing a bit of research on dog boxes I ran across this incar > race > footage of a BMW with > a sequential box. It's pretty good footage. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8 > > &feature=related > > Thanks again, > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 13:44:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1E72B7-5645-4164-8127-C3906A81A688@bnj.com> Depends on your advance curve. Mine is set for full advance at 2500 RPM, so I set it about 3000, but I blip to 6000 after it's set just to make sure the spark isn't bouncing around. On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 19:01:38 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style > timing ray gun. I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" out here in Los Angeles. This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps the only 4 cyl car. About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my next VARA race. Anybody out there run a track day like this? Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race Doug Fulk Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street Jet Patel john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street TKim william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 20 19:05:43 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721010536.F179E187658@autox.team.net> Rev it high enough that the timing mark stops moving, and use that RPM. Like Bill says, usually 2500 to 3000. - Tony At 12:44 PM 7/20/2008, Steven Belfer wrote: >At what RPM do you guys set the ignition timing of a race TR3 motor? > >~Steve From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Jul 20 20:32:33 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:32:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP rod bolts [TR4] Message-ID: <3FAD879A-BCB2-4104-8724-C9988E1DE197@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anyone else noticed that the ARP rod bolts for TR4 [427 Ford] are . 003" smaller diameter at the shoulder than OEM? The "calibrated fingers" noticed a bit more slop in the rod cap and the dial caliper confirmed. Seems to me that this is just inviting misalignment or worse, a bit of "walking" room. They come with machined washers that have a inside bevel to clear a slight radius under the head. ARP insists that the washers must be used, but without the washer, the radius seems to nicely center the bolt. Also, using the washer, .060" of thread depth is lost. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence and I'm tempted not to use them. If our trusted wizards at Standard-Triumph bothered to put such a nicely machined .437" shoulder on their bolts, they probably had good reason. Thoughts anyone? P.S. This is for stock rods. P.P.S. Funny to think that 427 Ford rod bolts might not actually be big enough! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 20 22:38:50 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up In-Reply-To: References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sure, all the time. Track time is track time. Just focus on doing the things you want to do. Underpowered doesn't mean much except that people who can't drive will blow by you in the straight and then suck in the corners, But you should probably have a list of things you want to work out. One of them is figuring out how to set your tire pressure and suspension. I think Kas' first book is pretty good for this stuff, but there are other guides to test and tune that can help you a lot. Just remember you aren't there to race with these guys. Truth is that a good mini van can set a faster time than most vintage race cars. Peyote does 1:29 something at PIR with the chicane, my Ferrari does 1:23 without breathing hard, with a passenger, the AC running, and the stereo blasting old Queen anthems. I've done 1:24 with one of those weird rally 323's years ago. 1:17 with my Radical. Doesn't matter. I'd rather race Peyote than any of those. On Jul 20, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:21:31 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Hi, Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final video output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out stuff to get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and see whatcha get. I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I have spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD output which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process took about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about the compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video makes HUGE files. rml p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems with his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the video overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But the interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good product, but the world of video on computer is fairly complex. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 08:44:41 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:44:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Message-ID: Amen. You need to edit video anyway so that someone else will want to watch it. sitting through a 30 minute race as raw footage is boring for everyone but the driver. Even a seven minute lap of the ring gets a little long for most people. I've found I can make a decent race video by concentrating on having a total length of three minutes. A better video is an entire event, including some non-track stuff, about five minutes long. You have to add titles to explain the sections and perhaps some voiceover. The downside is that producing an edited video five minutes long from an hour of raw video takes two or three hours of concentrated work. Figure twice the editing time per raw footage time. And that's if you're pretty good at it, have a good idea where the good stuff is, and understand the software. Inevitably you'll find that you've accidentally cut something you wanted to keep. The best way to do it is find some kid that likes playing with video editing and have them do it. I need to find another one, my video geek moved. Don't pay them, at least not in money. An occasional meal is good. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Compressing video is pretty tough. The most efficient compression > tecniques are proprietary (like DivX) so you need a viewer that has > "codec" to read the compressed file. The other factor is the final > video > output size (in pixels), smaller vidZ (like 320x240) can compress to > fairly small files (megabytes as opposed to hundreds of megabyes.) > > But to get vidz small enough to e-mail, you'll have to edit out > stuff to > get the actual video as short as possible, then reduce the size and > see > whatcha get. > > I haven't used any of the PC software for video at this point, but I > have > spent quite a while with vidz on one of my Macs. On the Mac, it's > drop-dead simple to take the video file, edit it and export it at > different formats (sizes) and compression. The default seem to favor > either the web (small viewable size and highly compressed) or DVD > output > which can make pretty big files (10gb / hour or bigger). > > I have a couple of vidz on utube that I did on my Mac. The process > took > about 20 minutes including the upload to utube. > > So, the key is in the size and the length of the video. Worry about > the > compression after that (when you "export" the video. Quality video > makes > HUGE files. > > rml > p.s. on a side note, I was chatting with another NER member (Richard > Hunter, an IT Honda driver) about Chase Cam and he reported problems > with > his setup, but his seemed to be related to the fact that he got the > video > overlay "box" so he can shoot ahead and point a camera at himself (or > behind the car or whatever) - he keeps getting corrupted files. But > the > interesting comment was that "there's no documentation and the support > organization is pretty thin" (my words). Chase Cam is a good > product, but > the world of video on computer is fairly complex. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:46:20 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] chaseCam no lbc In-Reply-To: <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> References: <48637004044C63F0@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) <200CCBD6-5D99-4769-8F5B-3C405BC78F82@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Bill Babcock wrote: > I don't speak PC anymore, but any MAC-based movie software will let > you compress the video substantially, the better PC-based stuff must > do it just as well. No magic there. You can also upload the movie to > any of the movie sites like Youtube or Mimieo and they will squash it > for you. Youtube converts to flash, I think. Don't bother trying to upload high-quality - the conversion wrecks the video quality). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 08:49:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > At least except for > giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car with zero > maintenance until I throw sockets at him. I heard this over the weekend: Miatas on track == track gnats I thought is was funny. > Gary Schneider rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 09:03:22 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: References: <339AE19DB5704E1EA0274F594DA59D8C@700mNotebook> Message-ID: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop that I don't use. On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gary & Gretchen wrote: > >> At least except for >> giving me no end of excrement about the 85 races he has on the car >> with zero >> maintenance until I throw sockets at him. > > > I heard this over the weekend: > > Miatas on track == track gnats > > I thought is was funny. > >> Gary Schneider > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Jul 21 09:21:18 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <13462CED-3FDA-40A8-B655-DA21F08FC523@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given the concept more than a passing thought! > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Robert Lang > Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > that I don't use. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 09:49:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 10:10:55 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Mon Jul 21 11:41:09 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> GT-40! Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no way and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the next week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. Then I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. I fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called > the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we > want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want > Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else fills > the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henry Frye" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > > the concept more than a passing thought! > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM > >> To: Robert Lang > >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > >> > >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. > >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots > >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of > >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a > >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). > >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage > >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I > >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of > >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, > >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop > >> that I don't use. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:05:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:05:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <002201c8eb58$f7c7b950$e7572bf0$@net> Message-ID: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> That's a safe one to have in there..helps keep it full RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: "'Joe Curry'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; "'Henry Frye'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Miata seats > GT-40! > Definitely was my dream shot also, right up until someone offered me the > opportunity to climb in and "try it for size!" At 6'4" there was just no > way > and it even had the helmet bubble in the roof. I was depressed for the > next > week, not that I ever had any hope of being able to afford one anyway. > Then > I started looking at the cars they were designed to beat back in the day. > I > fit in those! The rest is a long story best told while enjoying libation. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:11 PM > To: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that > way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want >> Box is empty...guess what happens?...Woosh!..amazingly..something else > fills >> the Want Box....I have a hole in my garage now too. >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Henry Frye" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> > >> > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> > the concept more than a passing thought! >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> >> To: Robert Lang >> >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> >> that I don't use. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:16:28 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <00a101c8eb5c$5dd18570$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. Paul From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 12:27:59 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8eb5f$8185a8e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:40:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: Message-ID: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. Yet that stil doesn't seem to be enough! Sigh!!!! :( Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jul 21 12:51:37 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats Message-ID: When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess that's why I'm still married after 32 years. Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: July 21, 2008 2:28 PM To: Paul MacDonald; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 21 13:02:03 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Joe Curry wrote: > Except for the space for a parts car, you just described my own situation. > > I have a 2 car standard size garage for mine and my wife's SUV's and an a > totally separate shope that wil house 3 Triumps side by side. I have a > separate enclosed fenced off area where I hide my double deck triumph hauler > from the neighbors so they don't call the homeowner's association. America - home of the free. My TOWN passed a "junker law". One unregistered car per street address. I had to cut up two TR6's and a Spitfire. They were _gone_ with no hope or restoring, but I really thought that it was a stupid law. In fact, I was at the town meeting where the law passed. But try getting up in front of 400 folks to explain that the Police Chief's ideas to keep crackheads out of town shouldn't be confused with a nutcase racer. That's way to much over the head of Joe Lunchbox let alone the _former_ plice chief. My solution is move to the country. If your neighbors can't see you, they can't compain about the "crap" in your yard. Oh and 'till my country estate plans materialize, I'lll _ALWAYS_ have a dead car in the yard. Heh - the LAW say's it's okay! Ever the Rabble Rouser, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 12:58:21 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:58:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats References: Message-ID: <009801c8eb63$bf0318c0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Paul, I guess we all have our own methodology. My own success at a 32 year marriage (yes I guess we both got hitched the same year) is to just ignore her. She hates my cars and my hobby and can'tfind anything redeeming about it. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Miata seats > When I bought my TR7 race car it didn't have an engine, no interior to speak > of, had 4 flat tires and looked a mess. It did have a ton of special > suspension parts, full roll cage and seam welded body. I had a hard time > justifying the purchase to myself (and my wife). She is an artist, and what > clinched it was when she suggested to consider the car as "yard art", the > boys could come over drink beer and admire it sitting in the yard....guess > that's why I'm still married after 32 years. > > Paul > > > I was at a luncheon for Old Race Drivers a couple of years ago..a bunch of > us were talking about car parts littering the yard, hidden here and > there....Bob Winkleman spoke up...He said with his calm British Accent > "Oh....Why that's an Iron Garden'! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > > >I wish I had a hole in my garage.....I wish I had a bigger garage(s) for 4 > > Triumphs, 2 real cars (outside) a parts car and two trailers, in suburbia. > > Doesn't quite look like Sanford and son, but I have to work at it. > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Jul 21 13:05:46 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <008001c8eb61$4a45c2a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807211205kb5dc337y559722063b33231a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3570.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0519/slides/DSCN3569.html :) From vanlake at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 21 14:09:40 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SILICONE GASKETS Message-ID: <072120082009.25918.4884ED04000154520000653E22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> There was a thread a couple weeks back dealing with Silicone valve cover gaskets. Could someone send me the address to the manufactures web-site or E-Address? Thanks! Mark From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 15:26:57 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:26:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up References: <8CAB8BBA75D6632-1040-541D@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb78$8106f9a0$c70aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I do 6 track days a summer in my TR4 at Beaverun just north of Pittsburgh with cars like you listed. The others are modern and hugely fast compared to me. But it works out great because I make it easy for them to go by and they are gentlemen. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Setting ign timing Also, track day coming up >> Cool. Thanks gang. I'll break out my old red Buck-Rodgers style >> timing ray gun. > > > I signed up for a non-vintage event next Saturday for the opportunity > to get more seat time in my car. The group is called "Speed Ventures" > out here in Los Angeles. > This is a track event where people bring their modern street cars out > to wear out their tires and brakes. I'll have the only TR and perhaps > the only 4 cyl car. > About eight months ago, I pulled my engine and rebuilt it slowly over > the winter and spring. I just can't wait until my next vintage event > in Sept. or perhaps Nov to get in the car. > Here is a list of the other cars that will be present. It's divided > into four different run groups based on driver experience. As you can > see below in the list of other cars, I have a very underpowered car by > comparison. I'm expecting 10 or so cars in whichever group they put > me in and I'm not out there to race but rather, to drive my car and > get the feel for my new motor. Perhaps work out a few bugs before my > next VARA race. > > Anybody out there run a track day like this? > > > Name: Car: Horsepower: Tires > 1999 Porsche Boxster 0 Race > andrew enz 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Bimmer545 2008 BMW M3 0 Street > Bob Marsan 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 405 Street > craig dale 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Race > Daniel Chen 2003 Nissan 350Z 370 Street > David Bruder 24 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 270 Race > Doug Fulk > Doug Hoffman 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 280 Street > Ed Lever 8 2005 Ford GT 550 Street > Ed McRae 19 1983 Porsche 944 0 Race > Gene Agatep 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > gunter enz 19 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 272 Race > Hwbtdmcowbys 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 0 Street > Jed Roth 2007 Porsche Cayman S 0 Street > Jeff S. Lee / SlickAuto.com 2003 BMW M3 333 Street > Jet Patel > john colwell 2007 Ford Mustang GT 309 Street > John Munoa 1997 Porsche Boxster 220 Race > John Stramotas 54 2005 Nissan 350Z 320 Street > Michael Andersen 2004 Porsche 911 GT3 381 Street > mike evans 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > MIKE HENDERSON 1995 Mazda RX-7 0 Street > Mike Martinez 2004 Nissan 350Z 300 Street > Navon 2002 Porsche 911 GT2 0 Street > Nik Adell 2004 Porsche 911 Turbo 0 Street > OliTho #22 yellow Corvette 2002 Chevrolet Alvaka Networks Z06 405 Race > Robert Marsan 40 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0 Street > Steve Abbott 1999 Chevrolet Corvette FRC 450 Race > stevebelfer 1962 Triumph TR3 150 Race > STILLEN GT 2006 Ford GT 550 Race > Stretch 2003 Nissan 350Z 262 Race > tino stramotas 17 2003 Nissan 350Z Turbo 0 Street > TKim > william hoppe 2002 Chevrolet Corvette C5 490 Street > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 18:49:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:49:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain > that way > for a very long time! :) > > Joe C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > > >> THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain > called >> the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want >> Box'...When we >> want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that >> thing..the Want >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 21 18:59:00 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:59:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <003f01c8eb49$561b7880$0302a8c0@Bud> <005401c8eb4c$5b6ef7a0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> <7739E05C-6921-4272-BC7C-6BE5DF9E61D9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c8eb96$214ec010$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Considering that my job is moving to India the 15th of August, it is indeed pretty much "out of reach"! Joe C. _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billbab at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:49 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: RACER BUD; Henry Frye; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats Actually pretty doable these days with really good African and Australian replicas available for rational money. You can have a 96 percent real GT40 (96 percent of the parts are interchangeable) with air conditioning, ready to drive for 90K. Lot of money, but not out of reach. On Jul 21, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Joe Curry wrote: My "want Box" is full of a Ford GT40. And I suspect it will remain that way for a very long time! :) Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Henry Frye" ; "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats THE HOLE IN THE GARAGE...Do you guys know about the part of the brain called the 'Want Box' ?...There is a compartment called the 'Want Box'...When we want something..it's in the 'Want Box'...once we get that thing..the Want Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 21 20:02:55 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... - Tony Quoting Henry Frye : > I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive > racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel > environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since > there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. > > I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given > the concept more than a passing thought! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: Robert Lang >> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >> >> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >> that I don't use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 20:16:17 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:16:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miata seats References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3B8C@server.Triumph.local> <20080721210255.js4eeggsw8wkwc0c@webmail.opentransfer.com> Message-ID: <022401c8eba0$ed3753e0$0302a8c0@Bud> I also drive a Miata on the streets Amazing car(mines a 1990 that my son gave me)...When I first got it, I told my racer friends who drive Miatas that i thought mine must have special handling stuff..They all said.."Nope..that's how they drive" Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats > Heck, I think driving the Miata (vigorously) on the street helps > some... Similar power, similar handling characteristics... > > - Tony > > Quoting Henry Frye : > >> I know two FOT that race a Spec Miata, and both are good competitive >> racers. I think all that seat time in such a tight wheel to wheel >> environment really can hone your racecraft skills. Especially since >> there is little to no horsepower advantage at play here. >> >> I will admit after a couple of frustrating race weekends I have given >> the concept more than a passing thought! >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock >>> Sent: July 21, 2008 11:03 AM >>> To: Robert Lang >>> Cc: Loren Ziglin; FOT >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Miata seats >>> >>> I've thought long and hard about getting a spec miata. >>> They're cheap to buy, cheap to run, and you always have lots >>> of competition. If I was racing one of those every couple of >>> weeks my driving skill would probably slide backwards at a >>> slower rate (yeah, I really do think I'm well past my peak). >>> I've raced one--it's a lot like racing a good vintage >>> car--lots of similarities. Thing is that most of the guys I >>> know who both vintage race and spec miata race (all three of >>> them!!) wind up with dust on their miata. I'm not sure why, >>> but I do know I don't need another large object in the shop >>> that I don't use. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 07:24:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:24:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] I-J Scrapers Status Message-ID: Group Purchase-Quick note: My Ishahara-Johnson TR4 assembly is here. I have not installed windage tray and scraper with Teflon insert, but it is piece of metalworking art. Comment: We got under the price increase as the running changes with product improvements drove the price up. (Plus the 15% discount) I expect shipments to commence shortly and perhaps somewhat slowly. If I can expedite for 'hardship' cases I will. Looks like the process is worth the patience...my VISA Card has not been charged beyond the intial material purchase, so I continue to hold your checks. If you would like to jump in and add an order, please contact me and I will see what I can do. Regards, Joe Alexander From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 08:41:55 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:41:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 08:48:38 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Cary, SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in storefront windows at their reflections. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 09:03:50 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <000f01c8ec0a$07368220$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220803l3b3e0c71id21a692282224217@mail.gmail.com> What? http://temp.justdrive.ca/IMG_2513.jpg 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > Cary, > > SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH! Nobody is supposed to know that Triumph owners look in > storefront windows at their reflections. > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:41 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > > Paul > > > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with > John > > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that > > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jul 22 09:08:11 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. John Buffum loves his TR8 and still uses it as a daily driver. BTW, if he had not a prior committment in rallying, John would be joining us at Watkins Glen. (Cary, I am still planning to head your way in October or November) Joe A > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize > that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years > newer. > > Cary > > > > From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Jul 22 09:19:46 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. Now we have three of the darn things...! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about anything. That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a REMARKABLE car!. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 09:36:30 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <380-220087222151946300@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <00a401c8ec10$b6860f10$0302a8c0@Bud> the TR7 is way undervalued..the problem here in Ca. for a street TR7 is they have to be smogged Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Same here! I pooh-poohed the TR7 for years until John Lamberg loaned me > his for the autocross in Minnesota. I was hooked! He *had* made some > modifications, including having the engine done up right... The car was > comfortable, quick and nimble and did well in the event. > > Now we have three of the darn things...! > > Susan :) > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:11 EDT > To: Group44TR7 at aol.com, macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > Being a member of the FOT is never having to say you're sorry about > anything. > > That being said, I drove a TR7 several years ago and found it to be a > REMARKABLE car!. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 22 09:38:01 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:38:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in the September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations Kas and thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:28:12 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:28:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too true. We also always see ourselves from the front (flat stomach, firm chest, full head of hair) rather than the side. On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:41 AM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about > your beloved TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite > Triumph racecar. > Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came > with John > Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 > bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize that > they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 09:44:28 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:44:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner Message-ID: and THANKS for the GREAT tech manuals from the factory days...I have em all, and they are still the 'Bible for Triumphs' prep basics.....Rick ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 22 09:46:27 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and wanted a V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought a TR8. After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the multiple car disorder for a long time too. Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly though, nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the point that I like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) and the square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear end of the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. Paul My Wedges http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 2.jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 .jpg http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro BookBackSmall.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: TR7 Seats Paul Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your beloved TR7s. Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest Triumph driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally came with John Buffum in the TR7/8. The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they visualize that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That same visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 years newer. Cary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From billbab at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 09:59:58 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > I didn't originally like TR7s and 8s myself. I had MGBs forever and > wanted a > V8. Couldn't bring myself to hack two cars to make one, so I bought > a TR8. > After that I slowly got rid of my 5 MGBs, yes I have had the > multiple car > disorder for a long time too. > > Now I find the Bs are too small inside as with most TRs. Mostly > though, > nothing compares to the sound of the V8. I have even got to the > point that I > like the styling of the TR7s and 8 above the round cars ( TR3, MGB) > and the > square ones (TR4, TR6)...never did like the look of the squat rear > end of > the small TRs. But then that's just me, to each his own. > > The jabs are not taken seriously, more like friendly ribbing. > > Paul > > My Wedges > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Scan1001 > 2.jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC00156 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=DSC04172 > .jpg > > http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/?action=view¤t=Speedpro > BookBackSmall.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Group44TR7 at aol.com [mailto:Group44TR7 at aol.com] > Sent: July 22, 2008 10:42 AM > To: macdonaldp at rogers.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: TR7 Seats > > > Paul > > Since I was the one who nominated you for FOT, I want to extend my > deepest apologies for the recent disparaging FOT blogging about your > beloved > TR7s. > > Please take solace in the fact that Bob Tullius, the greatest > Triumph > driver of all time, has stated that the TR7/8 was his favorite Triumph > racecar. Not to mention that Triumph greatest success in SCCA rally > came > with John Buffum in the TR7/8. > > The reality of this whole situation is that when these TR7 bloggers > drive past store front glass in their TR3s, the reflection they > visualize > that they are still in their late 20s on the way to lover leap. That > same > visualization would simply be near impossible in a car that was 20 > years > newer. > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse > Fantasy > Football today. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:08:46 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:08:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats Message-ID: In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, billbab at gmail.com writes: > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better word picture than TVR and Griffen. I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went into the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. Bill Dentinger ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 10:18:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: Message-ID: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Did the offy intake and 4bbl number on a customer's car a few years ago and my oh my what a huge difference. I know there alot of things one can do to improve the brakes and handling, but just the little bit of parts swap on top of the motor did wonders. There is a neat Wedgie in the area into which a 3.8 camaro motor and 5 speed was installed. guy got the shell from Ted S and turned it into a really nice looking and driving car. I drove it a few months ago and it was at least as strong as the TR8. owner claims about 30 mpg on trips. he used all the GM injection and ignition bits. My only real complaint against wedgies is the lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" >> > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR issue, but a far better > word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum V8 engine that went > into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 10:40:38 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> That's what trailers were made for :) A. 2008/7/22 riverside : > My only real complaint against wedgies is the > lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the > wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. > > art de armond From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 11:41:30 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:41:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Mr. Kastner In-Reply-To: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <072220081538.11093.4885FED90006348200002B5522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <97503DEB-0DE9-4EDE-8E75-2FA5F77C0818@earthlink.net> Great article indeed. The name game part helps explain something for me. Maybe it's just his way of having some fun. At the KC race at Miller last year, while sharing a bit of shade with the distinguished looking gentleman next to me, the man held out his hand and introduced himself as Ken [or so I thought]. It took a few minutes to realize he had likely said "Kas". In hindsight it was a bit embarrassing, but probably saved me the true embarrassment of stuttering, flailing around and kissing the ground he walked on. Thanks for everything you've done for our cars and our sport Mr Kastner. See you at the Glen. And I'll try to get the name right next time! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:38 AM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: > Nice tribute to Kas Kastner a/k/a Mr. Kastner a/k/a R.W. Kastner in > the > September issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car. Congratulations > Kas and > thanks for all that you have contributed to FOT. > Ron Jacobs > Western Eagle Racing > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 22 11:58:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <386611.55563.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The designer of that engine would be glad to hear that you liked it. Unfortunately, he passed away in April at the age of 92. Someone else wrote about a Wedge with a 3.8L V6 in it. There is more than just a GM family tie to those engines. The 3.8 is a cut down, bored/stroked version of the 3.5 in iron instead of aluminum. --- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/22/2008 11:01:08 AM Central > Daylight Time, > billbab at gmail.com writes: > > > > I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and > TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" > > > Good idea! Appropriate. Reminds me of the TVR > issue, but a far better word > picture than TVR and Griffen. > > I had a Buick Skylark convertible with that aluminum > V8 engine that went into > the TR8. It was my wife Shirley's car. That's a > GREAT engine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up > for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 13:53:25 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > That's what trailers were made for :) > A. > > 2008/7/22 riverside : > >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >> >> art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 14:30:58 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the TR. Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. flip a coin to decide who rides where :) At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II wheels/tires. A. 2008/7/22 Craig : > Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > > > That's what trailers were made for :) >> A. >> >> 2008/7/22 riverside : >> >> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>> >>> art de armond >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:02:22 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jul 22 16:22:10 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:22:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop><4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com><00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind one at that). I really like the convertibles though. I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:02 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats On the subject of the TR7, I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about. I specially like the hardtop models, but thats me. A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 16:39:31 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <00c701c8ec40$4ecfea50$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221502q51efad62t9d2ba88010645903@mail.gmail.com> <000001c8ec49$62760a90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221539x443db162p952a5fc86aa85ec8@mail.gmail.com> I'm just a hard top guy. If I were to own a racer Spit, it would have a hard top. (Pending my head/brain bucket fit under the roll bar.) For me, yes the GT6 gets a little warm, but I just find open top cars wear me out. The wind noise is too much for me to take. I edit video all day long, so sustained noise just bugs me. Now the GT6 is not exactly quite. Autocross in a 1968 Triumph GT6 Mk1 A. 2008/7/22 Joe Curry : > I'd own one if the opportunity ever came about but definitely NOT the > hardtop model. It looks like it was designed by a committee (and a blind > one at that). I really like the convertibles though. > > I always kid the Wedge folks at Triumph events by asking who invited Toyota > owners to the event. But it is all in jest! :) > > Joe C. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 22 17:08:10 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] transportation needed Message-ID: <20080722230751.2FA30187647@autox.team.net> I have a Triumph TR6 frame and a long block TR6 engine I need transported from Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123 to Elkton, Maryland 21921 If this works for anyone with a trailer there is some bucks in it for you. Thanks Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM ph 505 362-4350 From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Jul 22 17:24:50 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2><4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com><00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog rides up front! art d ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Craig" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats > Well you could always get one of those small tow-alongs and a hitch on the > TR. > Then you could haul the wife and dog in comfort. > > flip a coin to decide who rides where :) > > At the rate I'm going I'm thinking about building. > > Something that transport kit for camping/long trips and solo II > wheels/tires. > > > A. > > 2008/7/22 Craig : > >> Did you say that's what ENCLOSED trailers were made for >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats >> >> >> That's what trailers were made for :) >>> A. >>> >>> 2008/7/22 riverside : >>> >>> My only real complaint against wedgies is the >>>> lack of space behind the seats. Where the hell is the >>>> wife gonna ride when she goes with me and the dog. >>>> >>>> art de armond >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 > 6:42 AM From andre at gt6.ca Tue Jul 22 17:39:33 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <002301c8ec16$964180d0$f0680143@your55e5f9e3d2> <4362ae390807220940s3f648de1o4cc9b972c2beb2ea@mail.gmail.com> <00ac01c8ec34$9b369800$0300a8c0@Desktop> <4362ae390807221330k65dc190anb6d3d42d81502fd9@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c8ec52$247db270$71620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4362ae390807221639j256e9dc4o8d7da33285b3a57a@mail.gmail.com> Woof to that. http://www.triumphspitfire.com/images/fun/CodyWarburton.jpg 2008/7/22 riverside : > flip a coin? i want good conversation; the dog > rides up front! > > art d From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jul 22 20:08:39 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Seats In-Reply-To: <1627CE4D-D493-4213-B87B-F7BB23D96A5A@bnj.com> Message-ID: Kathy, Sam and I just got back from a ride in her TR8. The country roads around Bowling Green are perfect for Triumphs (and Corvettes). Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:00 AM To: Paul MacDonald Cc: Group44TR7 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7 Seats I think TR7's should be called "Wedgies" and TR8's "Nuclear Wedgies" From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 20:40:42 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Shirts and Baseball Caps- last call for orders and time to pay up! References: <000e01c8d48d$c51516b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D803943E91@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: <009301c8ec6d$80f7c110$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have forwarded to Ted Schumacher of TS Imported, a list of all of your orders, addresses and shipping/pick-up at the Glen choices. Now you need to pay up. Ted has graciously offered to process all of this, and deliver the goods to the Glen or ship to you. Call Ted with your credit card number at 419-384-3022, (order some Triumph parts while you are at it). For the few of you that are located overseas, Ted will probably accept an email. For those of you who did not order, this is your last chance! We will not have excess stuff at the Glen (well, maybe a few tee shirts). If you want to take another look at the goods, see the email below and send me your order. If you can't remember if you ordered already, send me your choices and I will confirm or add 'em to the list. Thanks again! We have a long sleeve blue or khaki color denim shirt with a Triumph shield/laurel/Kastner Cup logo embroidered on the left front, and a baseball cap (blue or khaki) with the same logo We also have a printed tee shirt with a terrific all Triumph race graphic designed by Greg Petrolati on the back, and the FOT logo you are all familiar with and the words Kastner Cup 2008 below it, on the left front. Go to the link below and view "photo album" to see the embroidered logos, the shirt and cap and the tee shirt design. At this point, I need you to tell me how many of each of these you want and the size. Just send me an email. We need all orders by July 1. Ted Shumacher is graciously offering to handle credit card processing and will bring all the items to the Glen for pre-paid pick-up. If you do not plan to be at the Glen, shipping is extra. Once we have orders, Ted and I will figure out how to collect credit card info, checks, etc and get back to you once we have the orders. Long Sleeve button down denim shirts in blue or khaki, button down collar, breast pocket, embroidery above pocket. S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $30 +1 for every X above XL. An XL is a 17 -17 1/2 neck size, so these are good sized shirts Baseball caps - hgh quality Adams cap, one size fits all, khaki color, $16 Tee shirts, light gray background, S-M-L-XL-XXL-XXXL $19, plus $1 for every X above XL http://www.freewebs.com/sjanzen/index.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.fridirici at grande.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 22 23:56:51 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, From srcypher at mac.com Wed Jul 23 05:21:16 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: If you call their special order department 805-525-1497, ask for Jay Coombs. If you have a stock one, and describe the overall length, thread pitch on each end & length, whether you want the allen key broach or not, he can look up the exact part #, and if you want the kit, can look it up as well... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: Does anyone have a part number for these? Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 05:48:17 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs Message-ID: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I purchased mine thru Summit Racing cheaper than what I paid direct from ARP. Summit part number ARP-206-4207. 112.99 was the price last November. Dean T. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Does anyone have a part number for these? B Thanks, Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Jul 23 06:19:50 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <29323209.6395371216813698098.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head studs. It made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the ARP studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with stock studs. I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head assembly? As the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They say torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those directions, my head gasket leaked. I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the ARP studs are helping me or hurting me... From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 06:37:26 2008 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:37:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: <072320081237.6121.4887260600094D70000017E92200735446CE08019D099C@comcast.net> I'll be racing the #393 Spitfire at the SVRA Thunderbolt Inaugural (New Jersey Motorsports Park) Aug 7-10. Any other FOTrs racing or going? I've heard from VRG that the State of New Jersey has very strict safety regs that all racing sanctioning bodies must follow especially regarding FIA/SFI harnesses, helmets, etc. If you're racing, be sure your equipment is current and that expiration dates can be checked. Steve Groh From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 23 08:26:59 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:26:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Any FOTrs racing at NJMP? Message-ID: I have been on the smaller Lightening track once with EMRA and once with SCCA in my ITC Rabbit. FOT'r Dave Miller ran there last weekend with SCCA as well in his E/P TR4. The Thunderbolt track is still under construction but will have the same great features the Lightening has but better and bigger. So far, the NJ State Police have not been a factor. I received in writting a confirmation that the SNELL SA 2000 helmet is acceptable. NJ regulations say all belts are two years for SFI rating and FIA is by expiration date. Good Luck and if you need any help, let me know. I won't be racing but might be on sight or close by. I'm 25 miles from the track. Dave Yeager 609-517-3129 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:35:54 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BA9@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Certainly it's feasible that the brilliant designers who were whacking together a tractor motor carefully calculated the yield strength of each stud using their Lucas computers, and built in just the right amount of stretch to safely cycle the gaskets. But I doubt it. It does get done. Volkwagen Rabbit motors have stretch-to-torque single use headbolts, but that's that whacky germans. You can always go back to the springy stockers. Some very good engine builders consider them adequate, and therefore not reasonable to replace. I just LIKE the ARP studs, with their broached allen head for fast removal, their smooth threading into the block, and their positive torquing. As for leaks, I generally undertorque a bit, especially with a steel gasket, then look for mayo in the oil. If I see to much I go little higher. That isn't the studs, that's the miserable head gaskets we've got to work with and the imprecision of the gasket surface with a wet sleeve engine. I wouldn't run an engine without them, but that just me. On Jul 23, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I am running a set of these, but am not sold these are the way to go. > > Yes, there is a surprising amount of stretch in the stock head > studs. It > made me nervous torquing the head to see the wrench swing so far to > achieve the torque I was shooting for. I got used to it... Then the > ARP > studs. The torque wrench does not swing nearly as far as it does with > stock studs. > > I have to wonder, was the stretch designed into engine/head > assembly? As > the engine goes through a heat cycle and things start moving, the ARP > studs are not allowing much of anything to happen with the head/block. > No doubt there is some expanding going on with the stock studs... > > Which goes back to the directions provided with the ARP studs. They > say > torque to something less than published torque. When I followed those > directions, my head gasket leaked. > > I really never had an issue with stock studs. I am wondering if the > ARP > studs are helping me or hurting me... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From andre at gt6.ca Wed Jul 23 16:16:01 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... Message-ID: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 23 19:57:56 2008 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <0AEA6EF1-DBD8-4797-9A28-C7137BA719FC@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8ed30$b1591e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks for the part numbers. Funny thing with Summit, I asked them if they could source the TR head bolts for me and they said ARP did not offer them. Thanks, Greg From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jul 23 19:17:49 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:17:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Amici, I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. Thanx in advance, Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 19:59:25 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <003b01c8ed30$e622c2b0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> I got mine from Ken Gillanders. I must have thrown the box away. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs > Does anyone have a part number for these? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jul 23 20:17:34 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ARP head studs In-Reply-To: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c8ec88$e7832c60$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <007301c8ed33$6f6d05b0$1442a8c0@semperon3400> http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Catalog.html Page 72 206-4207 for the nuts They don't list the studs. I'd contact Ted Schumacher for the ARP parts, I'm sure he can supply them! tedtsimx at bright.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 20:21:39 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068401c8ed34$04975cd0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, for the Vintage events, things are much more relaxed than during, say Nascar or Indy races. A regular ticket will get you about anywhere you want to go. There's not a huge crowd there for Vintage events, so you can wander about anywhere except the hot pits. Watch from one grandstand for one heat, then wander to another location for the next heat. You can drive, walk, or ride a bicycle. Be sure to spend some time in the Boot (turns 6,7, and 8) Great viewing. And ignore the signs saying no shorts or sandels in the paddock, just the hot pits. There's a lot of space in the infield (which is basically anywhere inside the track) for camping. Area A, B, or D would be close to the action. I slept in my van in the South Paddock for the VRG event last October; a nice, low key event. Like I said, it's a whole different atmosphere for the Vintage types. One woman, after I made a remark about lug nuts, came over and said, "You Vintage guys are a lot more fun than the rest of the folks who race here." I've been going there since '68; had some great times. Things tamed down a bit after they drained the Bog, though! Try and get to the event at the Research Library on Friday evening. Usually $25, with lots of great food, liquid refreshments, guest speakers, live and silent auctions, etc. A good time. I'm looking forward to another great weekend there. See you there. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 "Don't go too fast, but I go pretty far." Melanie, circa 1972 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Jul 23 20:48:14 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Andre, No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the reenactment ;) And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not a bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson Exports. :D Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... FYI, got this email today. http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ So where is the infield :) A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freedman, Patricia Date: 2008/7/23 Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix To: andre at gt6.ca Andre Rousseau, The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the infield camping zones. Patricia Freedman Ticket Services Supervisor Watkins Glen International 607-535-2486 ext. 423 Fax (607)535-2344 pfreedman at theglen.com ------------------------------ *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM *To:* wgi-racing *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a spectator. Does your $70 include camping? Thank you. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 24 04:30:30 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... In-Reply-To: <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <4362ae390807240330k6bab8besc892637095c9689@mail.gmail.com> Labatt Blue, Molson Export? Good lord man. I have far better taste in beers. :) Cheap domestic stuff gives me headaches hehehe A. 2008/7/23 Jim : > Andre, > > No matter where you wind up, it'll be a kick in the butt. > > I highly recommend making it to down town Friday for the show/reenactment. > Lots of laid back people at the show, and people showing off for the > reenactment ;) > > And the Infield "B" camp area puts you right along the back straight. Not > a > bad way to wake up after too many Labatts Blues.. ;) Or preferably Molson > Exports. :D > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:16 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Camping At The Glen Info... > > FYI, got this email today. > http://www.theglen.com/seating%5Fcharts%5Fmaps/camping/ > > So where is the infield :) > > A. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freedman, Patricia > Date: 2008/7/23 > Subject: RE: Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > To: andre at gt6.ca > > > Andre Rousseau, > > > > The $70 you are talking about it the package deal. It includes one (1) > admission tickets and one (1) car for the parade laps. Camping is an > additional $35. It gets you first come first serve spot anywhere in the > infield camping zones. > > > > Patricia Freedman > > Ticket Services Supervisor > > Watkins Glen International > > 607-535-2486 ext. 423 > > Fax (607)535-2344 > > pfreedman at theglen.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:03 PM > *To:* wgi-racing > *Subject:* Question about the US Vintage Grand Prix > > > > Hi, I'm going to be coming to the US Vintage Grand Prix in Sept as a > spectator. > > > > Does your $70 include camping? > > > > Thank you. > > > > A. > > > > -- > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHo5vUFsd3J9kzGphq90t1vX4h8y4piFoLTnvleepUUuTn3/ > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jul 24 08:32:15 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 sliding spline halfshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Amici, > I'm in need of a couple sets of TR6 halfshafts. Anyone got them laying > around?? My racer is on blocks until I get at least one good set. > Thanx in advance, Steve you can get new ones from Moss... not cheap, but they'll get you back on the road. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 11:44:09 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:09 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Sliding spline halfshafts Message-ID: Thanks everybody for all of the assistance. Scott at Team Triumph had them and is shipping them today. Steve **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Jul 24 15:25:01 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail Message-ID: Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick Kristoff ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jul 24 17:28:07 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? Message-ID: Here's a really cool link on the subject... _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From dave at microworks.net Thu Jul 24 21:23:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels Message-ID: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jul 24 21:46:52 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As the two cars, Swanson in the GT-6 and Fitzgerald in the Datsun came to the last corner of the last lap, the left rear suspension on Carl's GT-6 broke and Carl took a tough ride down the side of the front straight and finally came to a halt .Second, but no banana. This accident is what caused me to make the forged hubs for the later cars. Steve Smith now can do the same thing for any GT-6 owner and you REALLY should do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 is EP or DP? > Here's a really cool link on the subject... > > _http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm_ > (http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/Fitzy1970.htm) > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jul 24 22:50:41 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Owners of early Long Door TR2's... Message-ID: <48895BA1.5010103@greenheart.com> Please e-mail me... I've been a TR4A guy since 1977... but this last year I've acquired an early 1954 long door TR2.... and it would help to have some people to knock questions off of.... --Justin Wagner jmwagner@ From gp89 at charter.net Fri Jul 25 02:34:03 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 1:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spit Body need--roundtail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725043403.P3CR4.67819.root@fepweb06> I have a nice solid one available in Wisconsin. Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > Awhile back, someone was looking for a roundtail body, because of a racing > crunch or whatever....I think they contacted Scot Harper but he didn't have a > good one then....Scot can't remember who it was, but he just got a good one > in.....please contact him again,he lost the info.....or let me know...Rick > Kristoff > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jul 25 05:38:32 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Is this a race car or a street car? I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s would ever fit without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf springs. Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels (if they would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the old girl. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheels I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" wheel on? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:21:30 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Is this a race car or a street car? > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > would ever fit > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > springs. > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > (if they > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > old girl. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > wheel on? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 17:34:28 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:34:28 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Wheels References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 inches? Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always thought this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little holes drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to do this way. Imelda (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > > > Is this a race car or a street car? > > > > I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s > > would ever fit > > without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf > > springs. > > > > Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels > > (if they > > would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the > > old girl. > > > > Terry Stetler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David W. Riddle > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Wheels > > > > > > I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" > > wheel on? > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > stinfo/fot> > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:57:26 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <001201c8ede5$d1844760$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <4819FA65-BCCE-4CB9-85EE-D120F2200B5A@gmail.com> I'm thinking about the opposite--taking TR4 wheels, which I think measure out to a little over five inches wide, reinforcing the hub and then drilling all the cooling/lightening holes that racing steelies sometimes have--particularly the Porsches. Instead of knockoffs, extra- long studs smooth noses to start the lugnut cleanly, and very plain lugnuts. All very racy methinks. Low buck retro look is all the rage in the hot rod world. I traded my '48 chebbie pickup to a guy who is going to restore it with 40 year old barn find patina. It would be easy to do since it's been a lawn ornament at my house for nearly ten years, but he wants it black instead of moldy red. On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Anybody have any experience sectioning TR6 wheels down to 4.5 or 5 > inches? > Also in converting them to knock offs, as in D type jag? I always > thought > this would look great on the TR3. Especially with those extra little > holes > drilled between the existing ones. I have a set that I am hoping to > do this > way. > Imelda > (Steve P.) ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jul 25 12:35:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me that it is not a good idea. Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your roll over bar. Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick > of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can > strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the > other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much > better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around > in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Is this a race car or a street car? >> >> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >> would ever fit >> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear leaf >> springs. >> >> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >> (if they >> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >> old girl. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David W. Riddle >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >> >> >> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >> wheel on? >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> stinfo/fot> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 13:14:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:14:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> Message-ID: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jul 25 13:36:31 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheels In-Reply-To: <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> References: <20080725033410.PKYT28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <11038477-71FA-4CC6-84C6-4CC43FE8F716@bnj.com> <5687B0969FE3434BAC2C94D20292AFAC@KasPC> <81475E7F-D50B-4340-8715-47F91A8C864A@gmail.com> Message-ID: My first racecar was a TR3A with circle track style steel wheels, including about 10 or so round cooling openings like Bill mentioned. They were virtually unbreakable but very heavy. I think there are a few roundy-round wheel people that will make them up to your spec. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:15 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels I pretty much hoped someone with better sense would tell me how stupid I'm being. Thanks Kas. I'll keep the steel wheels for photo sessions, and maybe the street TR3 I'm going to build sometime really soon now. Probably about the same time that Dave Talbot gets a race car on the track. On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Lots of experience with racing production steel wheels reminds me > that it is not a good idea. > Racing on production steel wheels is not a good idea at all. Even > with the center reinforced and little fingers welded vertical in > several places they still bend too much and fracture just when you > finally figured out how to get through that sharp bend in fourth > gear without lifting. Be happy there are so many aluminum and mag > wheels available that will save the paint on the top side of your > roll over bar. > > Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Terry Stetler" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheels > > >> Steel wheels are starting to look really good to me--I guess I'm sick >> of mags. I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if I can >> strengthen some properly. I was looking at a picture of Peyote the >> other day with steel wheels on and realized how natural and how much >> better it looks. Peyote with Painted mags is like me slouching around >> in my greasy jeans and FOT T shirt wearing a pair of Ferragamos. >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: >> >>> Is this a race car or a street car? >>> >>> I have 6" revolutions on my TR3 street car and can't see how 7s >>> would ever fit >>> without flared fenders and some extreme offset to clear the rear >>> leaf >>> springs. >>> >>> Personally I'd like to find a set of 5" alloy or even steel wheels >>> (if they >>> would take the stock hubcaps). I want to takes some stress off the >>> old girl. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David W. Riddle >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:23 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Wheels >>> >>> >>> I have 6" Panasports on my TR3 now. Is it possible to put a 7" >>> wheel on? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>> stinfo/fot> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Fri Jul 25 21:49:49 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. Is that it? Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 05:34:02 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <6A98ED87-42BC-453D-A4B4-55D659DFBB3B@gt6.ca> 19! Wow. And I know what your talking about. There are tons of other cars I'd love to own, yet I simply can't part with my little GT6. Its part of me. I just hope when I'm older I can still get in and out of the car. :) A. On 25-Jul-08, at 11:49 PM, wrote: > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first > GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I > owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, > and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. > I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground > up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've > ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and > driver of the little GT6 I have now... -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Jul 26 06:01:26 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:01:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. Message-ID: TR2/3....FP and then EP TR4....DP and then EP TR250/6....CP and then DP Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 7/25/2008 11:50:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, igofaster at charter.net writes: Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 26 07:03:35 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right now. Item number: 300243431327 Item number: 160260591211 Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jul 26 07:24:14 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <4362ae390807260624o74f98e17h1f24d6f980550811@mail.gmail.com> Yeah the yellow one looks tasty... I need to upscale my income and garage badly ;) A. 2008/7/26 BOB KRAMER > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From gp89 at charter.net Sat Jul 26 09:57:24 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 8:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] another GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <002301c8ef20$03f18150$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20080726115724.4JKI6.100520.root@fepweb10> The yellow #99 was my first race car. I can answer any questions regarding the car. Not so sure how accurate the description is, the car has had a lot of rust repair done to it. Jeff Senty gp89 ---- BOB KRAMER wrote: > Seems to be a good time to buy a GT6 for racing. There are 2 on ebay right > now. > > Item number: 300243431327 > Item number: 160260591211 > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Jul 26 21:09:39 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23.7D.25605.AE6EB884@smtp07.embarq.synacor.com> At 08:01 AM 7/26/2008, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >TR2/3....FP and then EP >TR4....DP and then EP >TR250/6....CP and then DP ...then GT-3, then EP for the TR-6 at least. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 27 05:28:55 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:28:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR250K Message-ID: <488C5BF7.3010209@cfl.rr.com> Just a note to send you to the BRE web site. He has a couple of nice archive prints of the TR250K and other Datsun stuff if you have any interest in who competed heavily against Triumph back in the day. http://www.bre2.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=B&Category_Code=brearchivephotosprotos Bob GT6 TR4 Datsun 2000 & 510 trans am From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jul 27 09:15:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:15:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watking Glen - Hampton Inn (cancellations) Painted Post Message-ID: FOT If your plans are changing, resulting in a cancellation, please let me know. I have a couple of requests for reservations at the hampton Inn, our "Official FOT Hotel". Recent travel by the Corning area reveals that there is an enormous amount of new road construction near the hotel. Be prepared for GPS Confusion. Once you get there, it will become clear, if a bit of a nuisance. Joe A From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 14:27:21 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Scott From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Jul 27 14:53:11 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:53:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Plowing? as in understeer? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 00:04:18 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:04:18 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, due to fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Jul 27 16:21:38 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <20080727172138.cbm7503l4o48kws4@secure.uwalumni.com> Scott Barr writes: > Andy . . . offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. > Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? Having at one time owned and operated an actual tractor (Ford, vintage 1950's), I'd have gone with Steve's suggestion of "Plowing" or "understeer". A GOOGLE search, however, indicates that I've fallen behind in my terminology. It turns out that "tractoring" is what a "tractor beam" does -- i.e. it pulls other objects toward itself with an invisible force. What consequences that might have on the race track is left as an exercise for the reader. Jim Hill TR6 From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 16:22:28 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:22:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000e01c8efae$9bb90100$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: The simplest thing would have been to ask him, but generally tractoring means you have too little camber. On Jul 26, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Steven Preiss wrote: > Could have meant running on, as in after the ignition is shut off, > due to > fuel being vaporized by excessive heat in the engine compartment. > Steve P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling >> mechanic / > pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk > vocabulary > and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You > just > naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about > what you > car is doing. >> >> Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and >> stuck > his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was > "tractoring". > At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual > Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something > about > it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking > about it > since. >> >> I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. >> Anybody > have any idea what it means in this context? >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From m-syork at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 19:19:24 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union Message-ID: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 19:17:18 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:17:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <073601c8f04f$aefeb5b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I was a newbie last year at age 58. Had a blast and have met some really great people in my travels. Very friendly and helpful. My thanks also goes out to all those folks. Great bunch. See you all at the Glen. Bill Tobin TR6 Vintage type Erie, PA----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:15:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jul 27 20:26:31 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he couldn't see how the car handles on track. As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the time to stop and chat. I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. Scott ________________________________ From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Plowing? as in understeer? ________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today . From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 27 21:07:19 2008 From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. References: <20080725234950.SON46.97547.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <002001c8f05f$0c8bff80$abb18147@yourf78bf48ce2> In 1970 Don Devendorf ran the early GT6 with swing axles and the early cyl head and Stromberg carbs in EP SCCA, and Carl Swanson drove the Kas Kastner factory backed GT6 with the IRS , late cyl head and stromberg carbs in DP SCCA, both in 1970. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [Fot] GT6... EP or DP ... or both. > Well,,, the GT6 was EP and DP, depending on which year it was configured > to. > > Is that it? > > Was any other Triumph, in any configuration classified in more than one > group? > > So my really smart guy with CVAR is right, and so am I... > > I think the DP could have been related to 3 Webers in some sanctioning > bodies. > > I think my 1970 GT6+ could still be EP in some sactioning bodies albeit > the 1.75 SU's versus the 1.50 Strombergs. Go figure... > > I'm still peddling softly, so, I frankly don't care which production group > I may be placed in. Everyone tells me the GT6 was running fast in both > groups. I just love the GT6, period. I'm just happy to be out there, > running. I really don't care if I start in last and finish in last. Just > as long as the baby gets back on the trailer, the way it got off. > > You gotta admit, the GT6 is one of the most beautiful Mitcholiti (sp) > designs. > > I counted last year, this GT6 is my 19th GT6, including the first GT6 I > bought when I was 19 years old. This includes all my cars I owned that > were donors or parts cars. I've had one MKI parts car, and two MKIII > drivers , all the other have been GT6+ 's or MKII's. I've had some nice > MKII's , even built a really nice one from ground up with 2 donors. This > GT6 I have now, is by far the nicest I've ever experienced in any form, > thanks to Bob Davis, the builder. > I've been honored to be the keeper, custodian, and the owner and driver of > the little GT6 I have now... > > I have to say, I'm really honored to be in the FoT group where even a > newbie can strike up a really compelling string with all of you really > cool guys who also share, with little variation, only seperated by dollars > and years, the same love for our beloved Triumphs. > > So. Sincere thank yous to the group, most of all Kas! What an honor the > FoT gives to all of us, including me, a newbie at 53 years old! > > Still wish I was going to the Glen!!!! > > Bobby Whitehead #54 Yellow Group 2 1970GT6+ EP > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Jul 27 21:28:06 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <83267.24164.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: The valve is a "residual pressure" valve which retains a couple of pounds of pressure on the front pads to reduce the amount of travel needed to bring them into contact with the rotor. It is the "input" to the 5-way, and there is no way around it if you use a 4-way and a pedal switch. I and others will suggest that you retain it in some form. If you need a good 5-way send me your address and I'll drop one in the post to you. Thanks - Ed - Mark York wrote: Amici The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), and Victoria British (not in stock) and sent an email to TRF. Has anyone tried to adapt the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from the same? What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve and how do you get around it with the 4 way union? Thanks in advance Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 22:23:14 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Generally when someone says a car is tractoring it means the front end is handling like a tractor. You don't have to look at the car on track to tell this, you can tell by the wear pattern on the tires. Perhaps he meant that. He might have meant two stroking (running too rich), but I'd guess he was looking at your tires. Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, the purpose of which was to move the contact patch of the front wheel to the inside of the turn, pulling the wheel to that side. If you've ever driven an old tractor you know what that means, the tractor lurches to the inside of the turn. Doing this decreases turning radius and decreases turning effort. It also makes up for the narrowness of the track a little bit by pushing the contact patch outwards and compensates for the low amount of ackerman available (or needed) with the wheels that close together. It also makes the tractor wobbly at speed, but since "speed" is a relative thing, it's not that much of a problem. On a race car with radial tires and too little camber, or bias plies and positive camber you get the same effect--the car tends to dive to the inside of the turn and requires pressure against the initial turn in to counter the effect. You can see the problem pretty clearly on the tires--they will be feathered towards the inside of the car on the outside edge of the tire. In extreme cases there won't be any wear at all on the inside edge of the tire. Good ol' NASCAR and dirt track boys prefer to talk in these terms even though they know just as much about what they are doing as any fancy pants at an F1 race. The call a car loose (dynamic oversteer) or tight (dynamic understeer), they say it's plowing (understeer), bunching (excessive toe), tractoring (pulling inwards on turn in), or pushing ( undesrsteer). On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > No, he wasn't talking about handling, but about the way the car was > running in our paddock spot. From our angle in the paddock, he > couldn't see how the car handles on track. > > As to why I didn't just ask him, good question - the first time, I > thought he was joking. And the second time, it wasn't really the > time to stop and chat. > > I'll certainly ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. > > Scott From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 27 22:29:00 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Front brake union In-Reply-To: <000501c8f04f$f8eb9350$c81a794c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <20080728042859.PNDW14026.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > The 5-way brake union on the front of my TR3 racer is badly > corroded and leaks. I've looked at the Moss (not available), > and Victoria British (not in > stock) and sent an email to TRF. P/N 107069, NLS. > Has anyone tried to adapt > the 4 way off the TR4/4A and mount the electric switch from > the same? Didn't use the 4-way, but I've used a switch mounted to the pedal box (ala TR4) for several years. Works great for me. Switch was off a Dodge or something, I forget which one. > What about the restrictor valve that mounts on the > top of the 5 way, what purpose does it serve It's purpose was to keep the front brake pads from being knocked back by the spindles flexing in hard turns. > and how do you > get around it with the 4 way union? Early TR4s used the same valve, so yours should fit. But I never liked having the brakes drag, so I gutted my valve years ago and just lived with the pad knockback. Supposedly Uncle Jack's uprated spindles and bearing spacers completely solve the problem, but I've not had a chance to try mine yet. (Available from TRF, P/N HP661) Randall From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 08:59:43 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring Message-ID: Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTra ctorFront.jpg I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:48:29 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:48:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A01A9EB-2311-4840-A48B-1612B0040A77@bnj.com> That's the guy. Just a little positive camber. On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Maybe something about the front suspension? Like this: > > http://www.brandonclassics.com/www/images/1953_farmall_tractor/1954FarnallTractorFront.jpg > > I always figured the TR had a narrow front track. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge > r2_072008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:58:25 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tractoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I'm really not confusing caster and camber. Most suspension parameters have more than one effect. Caster moves the contact patch behind the steering axis of rotation, and so it exerts a counter force to steering input that tends to drag the wheel straight. But caster also moves the contact patch to the side of the axis of tire rotation during steering input, imparting some camber effect. Likewise Camber moves the contact patch to one side or the other of the tire, but extreme positive camber acts like "negative" caster, pulling the wheel to the inside of a turn. From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 11:08:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:36 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Amici, A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was full and then it immediately hung up. It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but left their website up and running?!!B Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers about them? Thanks! Brad From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jul 28 11:54:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <005801c8f0da$f1f8a480$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Check into Northern Tool and Equipment. They have a broad selection of such products. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B After > checking order status today it says the order is still in processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 12:45:31 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:45:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? Message-ID: Bill Babcock wrote: > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > the purpose of which was to....[snip] Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 22:15:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:15:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002201c8f068$8ceb1220$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> He may also have been noting a slight misfire, or "poofing" at idle, resulting from an improperly seating valve. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Some of you may know MGB driver Rich Larsen and his traveling mechanic / pal Andy. Andy is the one with the white crewcut, Butch Bohunk vocabulary and about 1,000 years of experience with making automobiles go. You just naturally tend to listen to Andy when he offers an opinion about what you car is doing. > > Well, this last race weekend at Blackhawk, Andy wandered over and stuck his head under my hood and offered the opinion that my car was "tractoring". At first, I thought it was just a variation on the usual Triumph-motor-as-agricultural-implement joke. But he said something about it again as we were cleaning up for the day, and I've been thinking about it since. > > I've never heard the word "tractoring" used in this way before. Anybody have any idea what it means in this context? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 13:43:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:43:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> SVRA and VRG require not larger than a 205/60-13, which I run on 6" wheels. My favorite Kumhos are no longer made in this size and I find the Toyo Proxes to be way too hard/not sticky. Anyone have other recommendations that you are running in Vintage? Can't run the Hoosier A6 Thanks! From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 13:55:51 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281108608.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0FD4F29A-7E4C-4FA3-9FE9-220DFFD997CC@bnj.com> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order > system.B We have ordered from them in the past with no issues.B B > After > checking order status today it says the order is still in > processing.B Since > I need the straps by this coming wednesday I decided to try and call > their > customer service department and their automated system (I HATE those > things) > directed me to a voice mail box (500) that is full.B The system > then hung up > on me.B I tried again and this time I sellected their sales > department and it > immediately routed me to a voice mail box (515) which stated the > system was > full and then it immediately hung up. > It sure sounds like either Racer Whole sale (https://www.racerwholesale.com/ > ) > is having some kind of problem.B I'm wondering if they aren't > shutdown but > left their website up and running?!!B > Anyone else had any issues with Racer Wholesale recently or heard > any rummers > about them? > Thanks! > Brad > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 14:42:57 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:42:57 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale Message-ID: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to me. On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's > online order From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 15:46:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:46:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? References: Message-ID: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be mounted on the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't worried about plants. My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. The front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the fronts are in the same track (row) as the rears. My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it on a regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! Bill And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help them.----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the > > general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, > > the purpose of which was to....[snip] > > Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the near-zero > front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not flatten > plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn smart). > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:01:45 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:01:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <3399756D-E8DC-41AE-951E-55049195946D@bnj.com> TU- Tits up. On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango > uniform to me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 16:11:18 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Tractoring"? In-Reply-To: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <004c01c8f0fb$76e473c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <45E9E7FC-C409-468B-86F4-104822F58846@gmail.com> Yup. My favorite book on engines is Harry Ricardo's The High Speed Internal Compustion Engine, which I think was first printed in 1922. Plenty smart boy. Of course tractor wheel spacing is dictated first by the crops and expected field conditions and second by everything else. I don't really know why tractors originally had that big positive camber, but I understand the result on handling. On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > > Good point Shane about the row crops. The wheels could also be > mounted on > the outside of the hubs for a wider track on the front if you weren't > worried about plants. > My 1953 Super M, which my dad bought new, has WFE, wide front end. > The > front wheels are basically vertical; no need for camber as the > fronts are in > the same track (row) as the rears. > My SM isn't as pretty as the one in the picture, but I still use it > on a > regular basis. It's the LAST toy that I'll part with! > Bill > And, yes those guys were good. No computers, CAD/CAM, etc to help > them.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shane Ingate" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] "Tractoring"? > > >> Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> Tractors (as many experts on the this forum can tell you) before the >>> general use of 4WD had a lot of positive camber in the front wheels, >>> the purpose of which was to....[snip] >> >> Great explanation Bill. I always thought older tractors had the > near-zero >> front track to fit between crop rows so that the tires would not >> flatten >> plants. Seems like the old tractor designers were PDS (pretty damn > smart). >> >> Shane Ingate in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! >> http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 28 16:21:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (colordog.1 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:21:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Water temp Message-ID: <566164119-1217283757-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1065712869-@bxe005.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> What is the ideal water temp during a race? My tr3 was running around 200 deg. Sometimes 205. It was 95 outside and I had NGK BP8 plugs. I seem to remember running about 10 deg cooler last year in hotter weather. This new motor has a higher CR than the last one. It didn't overheat, just seeing what temp is ideal. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 28 16:54:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:54:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to > me. > On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> Amici, >> A week ago I ordered some tie down straps from Racer Wholesale's >> online order > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jul 28 18:30:38 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:30:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 28 18:59:35 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:59:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racer Wholesale In-Reply-To: <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> References: <200807281443606.SM05392@[166.70.182.40]> <8F261443DCCA4B58A82679BE7BF30F6A@KasPC> Message-ID: <488E6B77.8010106@141.com> I think I can visualize that......:) Kas Kastner wrote: > Think of the well endowed lady swimming on her back. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racer Wholesale > > > >> Ok Bill you've got me stumped on this one!> Sounds like tango uniform to >> me. >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jul 28 20:47:00 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3B72@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> That's what I'm using on the Spit at this point. I think they're fine, but then I liked the Toyo Proxes RA1s, too, which you said you didn't like much. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon Jul 28 19:30:38 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed We are brutally screwded for tires these days. Try the Yoko AO48's... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 21:23:12 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph: Photos from space Message-ID: <002301c8f12a$6f1cfbb0$4d56f310$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: This is way off any Triumph subject but worth sharing if you haven't seen it already. Photos of Earth and around the space shuttle with music. Gary http://www.greatdanepro.com/Blue%20Bueaty/index.htm _____ From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 29 03:13:34 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:13:34 UT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) Message-ID: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> gp89 at charter.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.Please see below for more information. Triumph Spitfire Racecar Reply to: sale-773989174 at craigslist.orgDate: 2008-07-28, 8:33PM 1965 Spitfire, full prep, G-Production race car (Midwestern Council) - has both SCCA and MCSCC log books. Fast car that needs some TLC. Engine needs rings. Lack of time and money reluctantly forces sale :( Fiberglass bonnet, rear fenders and deck lid. Electromotive distributerless ignition, accusump, roller rockers, etc. etc. HUGE spares package. Blocks, cranks, rockers, cams, diffs, tranies, wheels and more. Must see to appreciate and hear it growl. This is a serious race car that will win! $4750.00 or offer. Call Jeff at 608-882-5236 and leave a message. Serious inquires please. This item has been posted by-owner. Location: Evansville, WI it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://madison.craigslist.org/car/773989174.html ------------------------------------------------- this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/09mZ1FGQ49GdlRnLu0WY0Vmba ------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 29 07:34:34 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:34:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Vintage legal Tire recommendations needed In-Reply-To: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <002401c8f0ea$2c38e9c0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: I run Yoko Ao48 205/60-15 and I feel very fine with them. What I have heard about other tires is that they are very good until they pass a peak point if stickyness. Not so the Yokos. They might be not a qualifier but a long lasting fast tire. I recommend them. Cheers Chris From simon at telephonestogo.ca Tue Jul 29 08:25:20 2008 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Photos from space Message-ID: <00b901c8f186$eecd6910$3464a8c0@SIMON> What a beautiful planet we live on! I have flown over Africa at night, (I lived in Zimbabwe until I was 20 years old), and you can look down without seeing a road, building or light for an hour! Really seems like the "dark continent". Simon. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 12:34:36 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:34:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member of our esteemed organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the "real" Surf City and home of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently acquired a TR3 which he has disassembled and is in the process of bringing back to life as a vintage racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more Triumphs to frequent our race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips and tricks from FOTers during his rebuilding process and is already on the right path having acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more to this brief introduction if you would like. Dave's email address is: dlhogye at aol.com. Do I have a second? Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 12:40:34 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second the nomination. Doug --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > of our esteemed > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > "real" Surf City and home > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > acquired a TR3 which he has > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > to life as a vintage > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > Triumphs to frequent our > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > and tricks from FOTers > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > right path having > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > to this brief > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > Do I have a second? > > > > Gary > > 1962 TR4 > > 1969 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jul 29 15:28:02 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001301c8f1a9$c142d9d0$43c88d70$@racer@comcast.net> <279853.45079.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <072920082128.3985.488F8B62000556A800000F9122216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I will third. If Gary likes it its got to be good besides we do need more TR's racing in Northern CA. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second the nomination. > > Doug > --- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I'd like to nominate Dave Hogye to become a member > > of our esteemed > > organization. Dave lives in Santa Cruz, CA, the > > "real" Surf City and home > > of renowned FOTer Greg Solow. Dave recently > > acquired a TR3 which he has > > disassembled and is in the process of bringing back > > to life as a vintage > > racer. Good news for us in N.CA. as we need more > > Triumphs to frequent our > > race grids. Dave will be looking for all the tips > > and tricks from FOTers > > during his rebuilding process and is already on the > > right path having > > acquired Kas' books. Dave, perhaps you can add more > > to this brief > > introduction if you would like. Dave's email > > address is: dlhogye at aol.com. > > Do I have a second? > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 1962 TR4 > > > > 1969 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:06:28 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:06:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question Message-ID: I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake system. Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in which both car competed against each other ? I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage race cars, that we know when this happened. :) Cary **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 13:27:27 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> Message-ID: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, was at Brands Hatch racing. Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel No I have to rebuild that engine again. Have fun with these: http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 30 13:44:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:44:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/30/2008 2:35:41 PM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > Amici... I done similar this past week end. Blew an oil cooler on my TR3 in a qualifying race at the AUTOBAHN (Joliet) on Saturday. Car was running like a Banshee. I couldn't figure out why it was so bright and sunny in front of me, and so foggy in my mirrors. Car was running great, albeit (eventually) about four quarts of oil down. We by passed the oil cooler for the Sprint Race. Again the car ran great, but by the end of the race I was reading twenty pounds of oil pressure. Car still sounded GREAT. On Sunday morning when we started it up it still sounded great but we had zero oil pressure. We're praying it is a faulty gauge or sending issue. I think I'll install an oil pressure light. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 30 13:53:46 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <007101c8f27d$fa557f00$2d02a8c0@Belkin> My My but things must have changed greatly since I was last at Brands Hatch. I recall one particular Chevy Camaro that looked like a DDT fogger the entire race. It lost to a Ford Escort RS1500. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:08:27 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd appreciate it.. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:11:36 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good bad or indifferent? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 14:21:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <00e901c8f281$e8a1cd00$6402a8c0@HOME> I think the difficult thing would be to match the skirt shape with a lathe. As the sides of a piston is not straight that would be nothing that you can do with normal tools. http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:51:28 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0807301351y491cae25k6194101b8774d0b@mail.gmail.com> TR5-6 with PI have the equivelent of a cold air box! On 7/30/08, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. > What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air > intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? > The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 > (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs > in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the > current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become > vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 30 15:04:24 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material other than forged aluminum. Bob Scott Cypher wrote: > I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, > but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used > or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type > information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to > build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd > appreciate it.. > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Jul 30 16:27:05 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:27:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com><000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Wed Jul 30 18:31:15 2008 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:31:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson > Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per lap. :-) Jim Hill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 30 19:06:58 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> Message-ID: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> How about an OD switch mounted on the steering wheel. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch > Of MadMarx' TR race video, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> If I didn't know better I'd say you have a Wilson >> Preselector Gearbox in that TR4! > > I'm sure there's some secret to making only 4 visible gear changes per > lap. > > :-) > > Jim Hill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Jul 30 20:26:44 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:26:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size Message-ID: Most of today's racing pistons are "cam ground". Turn the piston over, look at the different thicknesses of the underside. Massive up top, reinforcement around the pin bosses, thin skirt. Modern piston design takes into consideration the expansion of every portion of the profile. A true racing piston will calculate the expansion rate on every square millimeter and shape the piston accordingly. So they are "cam (as in lobe)ground". Kind of oblong or egged or whatever term we can use to approximate the shape the piston will take at "race temperature". Of coarse we are talking about high reving, close tolerance, precision race motors.... not tractor motors. Yes, I have gotten away with turning a piston perfectly round and running it at higher RPMs than the TR(3-4) can achieve. as long as you aren't too worry'd about a little piston slap at idle. Dave Y **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:56:01 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 2: (Maybe stupid?) Turning down a piston size In-Reply-To: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> References: <292399E9-8E51-41C6-89AD-130BDF6827B0@xsmail.com> Message-ID: Pistons aren't turned very often, they are usually ground, and it's a complex shape--tapered smaller on the top (to make it straight when it's hot on the top and cold on the bottom) and smaller near the exhaust valve. It's called a cam grind, though it's a lot more complex than a cam. You _can_ turn a piston down, You'll loose all that sophistication and wind up with a piston that rattles in the bore, but if that doesn't bother you it doesn't bother me. I've done it before for motorcycle engines when I couldn't get the piston I wanted. You should do a little taper, even just a degree is helpful. But when there's pistons available that work just fine, and since building a motor is pretty expensive compared to the cost of four new pistons, I don't think I'd try that today. On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Scott Cypher wrote: > I have +60 pistons I never intend on using given SCCA limits on over- > sizing, but the pistons are too nice just to get rid of. > > Has anyone taken a set of oversize pistons and turned them & the ring > grooves down to be +40 or even down to +10 or STD so they can be > used? I can understand the precision lathe-ing that would need to be > done to make sure they are true, but has anyone ever tried this, good > bad or indifferent? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > > "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. > Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start > of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From billbab at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 20:58:39 2008 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances In-Reply-To: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4890D758.2030200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E640F39-88BD-41AB-A748-5EA239C1F9B9@bnj.com> It's probably not just forged aluminum, it probably has quite a bit of silicon. Not as much as Japanese pistons, but some. I'd set it up on the loose side of whatever Venolia recommends. On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Bob wrote: > Testing my memory, but I recall using Cosworths in a Datsun 2000. Got > them from a fella in Virginia that passed away several years ago. He > supplied alot of performance parts for Triumphs and Datsun. Maybe some > else can remember his name and business name. I recall the recommended > piston clearance to be .004 - .007. Don't know the piston material > other > than forged aluminum. > > Bob > > Scott Cypher wrote: >> I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, >> but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used >> or the typical clearances recommended. I know Venolia and J&E type >> information, but I don't know how to determine what Bore I need to >> build. If anyone has used cosworth's before, and can advise, I'd >> appreciate it.. >> >> Thanks >> >> -Scott Cypher >> spitfireracer at xsmail.com >> SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 >> Reading, PA >> http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher >> >> 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar >> 1971 TR6 TBD >> 1976 TR7 Street >> 1968 GT6 Vintage >> >> "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. >> Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start >> of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jul 31 01:40:09 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:40:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <20080730193115.iksfxu8s2vk8koo4@secure.uwalumni.com> <00c501c8f2a9$bbf1a5f0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: This is right. Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:35:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:35:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: In a message dated 07/31/2008 2:41:27 AM Central Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > This is right. > Standard OD gearbox with knob at the steering wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Amici... I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jul 31 07:44:21 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4891C1B5.3050207@dfn.com> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel. > > I can see how a necker knob would be handy on really tight turns, Bill. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:11:01 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/08 1:09:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spitfireracer at xsmail.com writes: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typic al clearances recommended. >> This is probably not much help. I have Cosworth pistons in the four cylinder tractor engine (TR-3/4). These are the popup pistons that Jack Wheeler used. I took 0.010" off of the flat part of the crowns on these pistons, to prevent the pistons from hitting the squish area of the head. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Jul 31 11:19:02 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:19:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question 1: Cosworth Piston Clearances-Addendum Message-ID: << I have a set of cosworth piston's I'm considering using in my spit, but I can't seem to find supporting information about the alloy used or the typ ic al clearances recommended. >> >> I used 0.007" piston/wall clearance. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jul 31 20:20:53 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Jul 31 22:39:13 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cold Air "Boxes" - Historical Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48929371.70104@cyberspeedway.net> I went through my SCCA vintage GCR and found the following for Production: "1967 1.2 Authorized Modifications D.1. Any alteration to the carburetors (or fuel injection) except changing the number, model, type, or size of the standard equipment, and, except that extensions or addition of material to the exterior of the carburetor body is prohibited. Velocity stacks (intake air horns) may be used provided no modifications are made to the body or the frame work of the car to accommodate their use." "D.1.2.B.4 The cooling of brakes by ventilation of backing plates or fitting of air ducts, provided no changes are made in the bodywork above a plane passing through the wheel hubs." Engine air ducting is not mentioned specifically. In the 1972 GCR it read as follows: "2.2 Authorized Modifications A.7. Glass and/or plastic, headlight, front parking light, front signal light, lenses and bulbs must be removed. Then resulting openings may be used for ducting of air to the engine, front brakes and /or oil coolers." Cold air boxes were used in the Trans Am from 1967 as a through the firewall cold air intake was a Z282 option with the cold air box supplied loose in the trunk for the Z28. A cold air box also allows for more convenient air filter installation. Running an air filter will save valve seats. We switched to K&N back in 1982 and the time between valve jobs was quadrupled. The chassis dyno showed no hp loss with the filters. Greg Lund Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote: > I am not sure that I am using the correct technical term for this item. What > I am referring to is the modification and/or replacement so that cooler air > from outside the engine compartment is being provided through the air intake > system. > > Does anyone know the approximate date as to when this modification > would have been addressed in SCCA regulations for DP and EP classed cars? The > Group 44 TR7 does not have an cold air box, however the Huffaker TR7 (ex-Lee > Mueller) has one. Would this modification been allowed at the 1976 runoffs in > which both car competed against each other ? > > I do recall ever seeing this cold box setup on pre 1972 production > vintage racecars. Just wondering when this happened so that when the current > "vintage racers" are reclassifed into "ancient race cars", and TR7 become vvintage > race cars, that we know when this happened. :) > > Cary > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot