From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Feb 1 13:15:39 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:15:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances Message-ID: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. you could barely turn the crank by hand. bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, but crank turned freely now. i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. art de armond From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 13:30:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a > reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked > out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. > you could barely turn the crank by hand. > bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) > and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, > but crank turned freely now. > i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from > Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were > junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. > Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Feb 1 14:13:10 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:13:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Measuring an inside bore with an inside mic takes a bit of a "feel". I worked in the machine tool industry for all of my career and there the tolerances are many times in 10,000ths of an inch. Not easy to find "a tenth". Having worked on the assembly floor quite a bit with the inspectors, I really got an appreciation of what it took to measure something even to a thousandth, especially an inside bore. Being an amatuer, I would only trust my measurement to a thousandth on an inside bore with a three (3) point bore gauge. Even that takes a bit of a feel. I think I'd be lucky to get within 0.002 or 0.003 with an inside mic. I once had the task of getting five (5) parts machined on one of the precision machining centers and then getting various dimensions on the parts measured, multiple times for repeatability and accuracy. As I recall, I took the parts to two (2) different CMM's and to a precison plate and height gauge run by our best inspector and still couldn't get acceptable repeatability of the measurements to a thousandth. I finally had to take the parts over to Detroit to a CMM manufacturer who had a million dollar CMM in a temperature and humidity controlled room to get accurate, repeatable measurements. And that was 1968 million dollars. I once rebuilt a Honda 4 cylinder engine and the bearings came in graded sizes of 0.1 MM or about 0.0004 Inch. I used plastigauge and kept running back to the dealer for bearings to get the correct ones on each journal and rod (a very accomadating dealer!). The engine ran for another 100,000 miles and three kids learning/driving/abusing it. Must have been close. Tim Murphy's Law Racing TR-4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "riverside" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. > First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting > lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. > Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an > inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right > thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. > Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely > freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > >> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a >> reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked >> out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. >> you could barely turn the crank by hand. >> bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) >> and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, >> but crank turned freely now. >> i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from >> Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were >> junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. >> Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. >> >> art de armond >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:18:18 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Feb 1 16:42:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it in the legal biz out of habit. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Herrera Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM To: Tim Murphy; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 18:15:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:15:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: FoT, Just got my flow bench numbers today. The machine shop I work with uses a Superflow 600 tester. .100 43 cfm .200 80 .300 108 .400 134 .500 149.3 .550 153.7 .600 147.4 I know that these numbers can vary but I was pleased with our home work bench grinding effort. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:49:23 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:49:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're worthless without that number? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 20:02:52 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:02:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: > Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred> (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed> forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to> be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was> because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling> in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical> notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it> in the legal biz out of habit.> > Scott B. Thanks, Scott. Figgered it was something like that. John H. (Aitch) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:22:38 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:22:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no idea what you are talking about. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're > worthless > without that number? > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? > NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From john at race-dogs.com Fri Feb 1 20:26:00 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:26:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results References: Message-ID: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results >I have no idea what you are talking about. > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >> worthless >> without that number? >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:34:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:34:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> References: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <56444cbe853180ea6317ce2cb6a0dec3@wi.rr.com> The exhaust numbers were; .500 107.5 .600 113.0 Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:26 PM, John W wrote: > Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? > Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- > > John W. > Spitfire #892 DP > 240z CP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Washatko" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results > > >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >>> worthless >>> without that number? >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL >>> Music. >>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >>> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >>> 48) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> Jody & Allen Washatko >> N65 W5567 Columbia Road >> Cedarburg, WI. 53012 >> USA >> >> tel. (262) 375-6888 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. >> http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:38:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> Message-ID: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the depression number is. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Allen Washatko wrote: >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> > > Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to > actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), > so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the > bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that > where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the > bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor gives > an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. > Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the > estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. > > > Something like that. :) > > Cheers. > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:50:29 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:50:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group with what I find. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 23:25:27 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: Modern flowbenches are pretty cool and fairly accurate as far as they go, but I used to really enjoy going to Jerry Branch's shop and watching him use his. His air bench blower source was (as I recall) a 6-71 Jimmy blower and a bodacious electric motor that dimmed the lights on the Pike in Long Beach when he lit it off. On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the > depression number is. > > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> Allen Washatko wrote: >>> I have no idea what you are talking about. >>> Allen >>> >>> >> >> Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to >> actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), >> so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the >> bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that >> where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the >> bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor >> gives >> an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. >> Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the >> estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. >> >> >> Something like that. :) >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 07:35:59 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:35:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802021436.m12Ea7AF270389@ns3.geneseo.net> I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my TR4 if shortened. By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. their site is www.revingtontr.com At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group >with what I find. > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 2 08:41:06 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <20080202154106.CGXR2859.invictus@[209.143.0.77]> > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how accurate they are. Ted > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Date: Sat Feb 2, 9:35 AM > To: Allen Washatko , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Springs > > I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North > Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I > found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. > I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my > TR4 if shortened. > > By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I > needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. > > their site is > > www.revingtontr.com > > At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: > >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going > >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group > >with what I find. > > > >Allen > > > >Allen & Jody Washatko > >1971 TR6 - Number 6 > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 09:11:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:11:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Tutorial 101 Message-ID: <3003b27b2f23849435aad446f49159af@wi.rr.com> FoT, I checked with my machine shop this morning regarding the flow bench depression number. They use 28. Anybody care to comment on what this means in terms of cross comparing readings, accuracy, etc.? Also, what do you look for in comparing the readings for exhaust vs. intake? Is there a ratio you shoot for? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 2 10:55:08 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001301c865c4$bff307b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> > with a three (3) point bore gauge. >I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could >three mean besides 3? With me it's just a carryover from writing engineering reports in the R&D department. They were a little fussy regarding format. Guess I can quit now. Probably goes back to the days when we wrote the reports up by hand and the secretary typed them up; pre-word processor and computer days. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Tim Murphy ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From DSPGTi at aol.com Sat Feb 2 11:38:42 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:38:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never driven the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, I'm sure it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in very good shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you would advise against it, right? So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating them with some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in anything environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and the air here in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the ocean. Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just like some material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component protection. I use that on steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. Any advise or experience you could share with me? Dave Y. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:42:25 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:42:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: It's a combination of precision and adhering to proper style. Formal newspaper style requires that numbers less than ten be written by name rather than number. Newspaper and magazine reporters, who didn't wish to be spanked by their editors, but who refused to crack the AP book of style to double check (claiming exalted professionalism), started writing both in their articles claiming the number in parentheses confirmed the written number and the editor could just delete the superfluous addition (whichever it was). Of course a lot crept through while the editors were digesting their hydraulic sandwiches (generally a beer and a bump, but at the Times it was certainly three martinis). Lawyers and engineers saw them and thought they were cool, and started using the form. Then the military in their stilted attempt to combine accurate communication with impenetrable jargon adopted it immediately. So fundamentally every lazy, trend following, neo-conservative, lefty, commie, militaristic, geek, ambulance chaser in the world does it from time to time. and of course I made all this up on the fly. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:18 PM, John Herrera wrote: > > with a three (3) point bore gauge. > > I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of > legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? > > Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like > three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in > parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" > > Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. > > John H. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:47:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:47:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66CE2D91-19AE-4C98-8B9F-230A8DA60CE8@bnj.com> I'd only use them if you really enjoy surprises. I'd bag them with some desiccant, and perhaps give them a nice coating of the clear coat that they use for protecting travel trailers. It's pretty good protection, but a lot of solvents will take it right off. I bet the eastwood stuff is the same thing with a bigger price tag and a smaller can. Magnesium, and magnesium aluminum alloys do a pretty good job of corroding no matter what you do. On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:38 AM, DSPGTi at aol.com wrote: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on > my TR4. > Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never > driven > the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, > I'm sure > it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in > very good > shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you > would > advise against it, right? > > So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating > them with > some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in > anything > environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and > the air here > in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the > ocean. > Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just > like some > material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component > protection. I use that on > steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. > > Any advise or experience you could share with me? > > Dave Y. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 12:44:16 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs Message-ID: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Good advice from Ted. I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, good quality. Try Ted first. I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to consider. Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with bumps. There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what feels best to my hind end. > > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how > accurate they are. Ted uncle jack From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 13:00:20 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:00:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <28D65283-3A10-4BC6-9487-691968BD37D8@bnj.com> I think you answered that question. If you can't fix the whacky suspension geometry then stiff springs are your only option. Stiff springs and a big anti-roll bar is the prescription. It's pretty easy to fix the geometry if your sanctioning body allows it. stock length or a tiny bit longer upper arms and move the inner pivot point inwards however far you need to get the camber your tires require. Late TR4 lower trunnion and upper arms if you want 3 degrees of caster and a better ball joint setup. Then figure out how to get zero bump steer by hook or by crook. Nothing impossible. if you do that you can use softer than stock springs. Good shocks are a must of course. Suspension isn't just for taking up bumps. Stiff springs and a hard roll bar will affect turn-in negatively, as in: it won't. The contact patches move counter to steering input--unhandy. Personally I like having a car that steers, especially in fast corners. On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing > with bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 2 13:49:37 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000601c865dd$20446470$9001a8c0@richardiipc> Babcock wrote: "..............and of course I made all this up on the fly." Come on Bill. You could have at least used a pant cuff. From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 2 15:30:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction Message-ID: <20080202224057.LOUF20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> FOT and DCTRA Member... >I received a note from Robert Smith, the DCTRA member who has the >distinction of living the furthest from Phoenix. In his note he >mentions that he has been >working with Kruse Auctions to have a collector car auction in >Hawaii. I checked out the website and sure enough it is scheduled >for later this month! Way to go >Robert!! > >Check it out: >http://www.kruse.com/auctions/hawaii08/index.asp > > >I think I will have to pass on attending this one though... > >Jim From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 2 15:49:06 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:49:06 EST Subject: [Fot] In car Camera System & Halon Fire System Message-ID: Thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone had an in car camera system or Halon fire system they were looking to part with. Thanks, Gary Fuqua **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 16:03:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <7ab1530a6e366a2e8db1e279e457d944@wi.rr.com> Jack, I am currently running 585 lbs/in in the rear and 385 lbs/in in the front. Stock geometry, 2 1/2 degrees neg camber in the front, 1 1/2 degrees neg camber in the rear, a 1" front bar and a 7/8" rear bar. Spax shocks in the front and the stock lever arms in the back. The car is very neutral and turns in nicely however, it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least 450 lbs/in or more in the front. I know that a certain amount of body roll helps the car turn in so I want to find a balance between this and understeer. I know that the guys in England run high spring rates all around (600). When I talked to Kas about this he seemed to remember that they were running rear rates close to 700 lbs. Of course, tires were different then. I would be curious to know what others are running? Allen On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with > bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 00:52:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:20:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: Dave Y. asked: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. My advice is to store them AS FAR from the ocean as possible, preferably in the driest part of the continent. The driest in the US is any altitude above 7,000; in southern New Mexico. It just so happens I have a vacant spot in my garage. Seriously, this is not a daft suggestion. When I lived in San Diego near the ocean, my Pantera had mag Campagnolos that I polished. Polished mag is a sight to behold, and is completely different to polished alloy which looks cheap and shallow by comparison. The polished mag had a depth and luster that needs to be seen to be believed. At first, I needed to polish them EVERY weekend - 2 hours of work. In one week, corrosion had started and the wheels lost their gleam. 2 months later, the wheels would look like I'd never cleaned them in 10 years. Sigh. I got sick of that after a while, and opted for the 10-year old look. Remember, San Diego is pretty dry, but I was close to the ocean. There is really not much you can do. I tried wax, I tried WD-40 (suspiciously sounds like the Eastwood product), I tried clear-coat (will not adhere to polished mag). Best bet is a thick coating of wax and bag them with dessicant. You could backfill the bag with nitrogen.... Shane Ingate, its so dry here you could film Lawrence of Arabia, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 2 19:00:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:00:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift References: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <003d01c86608$9d534230$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Steve...It sounds to me like the frame is flexing(what kind of car) ? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Feb 3 02:18:22 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <001d01c86645$b9db6940$6402a8c0@HOME> I had this trouble too at my first race: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front suspension spring rate. At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. Have a look now: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 From: "Steven Preiss" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 13:08:25 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:08:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type Message-ID: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Could anyone please tell me how can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model by looking at it externally? I have the numbers off it if that helps. Some other points are that it has what is now a plugged EGR port and the intake attaches with 3 upper bolts (one for each attaching point) and 6 lower clamps (two at each attaching point). The extreme width of the intake manifold where it attaches to the head is approximately 17.5 inches. Thanks for any help on this. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 13:22:18 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type In-Reply-To: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> References: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47A6227A.4040103@bradakis.com> If it is an EGR port, it is a later head. Also the later heads have the intake ports on 2.2 inch centers, early heads are 1.9. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 3 19:41:17 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction - TR3 Going Up on Auction Message-ID: <20080204025607.QFD20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Here is a note I got from Robert on a TR3 in the upcoming auction in HI. Marty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Feb 2, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction To: martyclark at gmail.com Hey, Marty. One of our consignees, a retired attorney, is going to auction a very early TR3A, commission number TS24762L. It has title and all provenance books and papers, but is completely apart. The engine was professionally rebuilt, but the car is missing it's gear box (I know where there is a fine Triumph gear box near Las Vegas, and the friend of mine that owns it would sell it to a good home. It will bolt right on). Anyway, this may well be a bargain for someone looking to put together a TR3. This attorney is a "spare no expenses" kind of guy, but has just lost interest in the Triumph project car. May make someone a nice project. Finish it correctly, and you've got a $25,000 plus machine! Thanks, if you can spread the word. I will be available by cell phone at 808-342-1036, and I can assist a long distance bidder by phone, as well as assist with shipping arrangements. I have a feeling this car will sell for the value of the engine alone! Aloha, and Mahalo. Robert ______________________________________________________________ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. *********************************************************** Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite http://www.dctra.org for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and Links to other British Car Sites *********************************************************** From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 12:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Found a couple of websites that might help. One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on the mandrel http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. Chuck On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > > > bob, > > did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > > pulley? > > I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > > All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > to making the part a lot less $$$$. > > I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > long after we figured all this out. > > :-( > > I really liked working with that guy. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Chuck Arnold From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:35:31 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi For all on the list that are interested I looked at some crank dampners at the PRI show last year they have a spitfire dampner already and wouild build one for the tr 4 and 6 they are viscus dampers and very very nice in the 300 to 400 range but works of art and the best system to use Rick Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:39:08 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Forgot the contact info Innovators west crank dampners2816 Centennial rd Salina Kansas 67401 785 825 6166 Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 13:09:07 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:09:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Message-ID: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Feb 4 13:50:15 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. Damper only is $600. The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. Worked wonders for my TR6. Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included but available. Regards, Richard Good Good parts Chuck Arnold wrote: >Found a couple of websites that might help. >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on >the mandrel >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > >Chuck > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >> >> >> >>>bob, >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>pulley? >>> >>> >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >> >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >> >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>long after we figured all this out. >> >>:-( >> >>I really liked working with that guy. >> >>rml >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 14:46:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00f001c86777$6cc61870$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> My GT6 has an ATI damper that Randy Lamp adapted to my car, originally designed for a Ford straight six motor. Runs great and smooth. I have a Jones Racing toothed belt pulley bolted on the front that drives the WP and alternator. It is a snug fit in the GT6 - not much clearance to radiator and offset electric fan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 >I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > >>Found a couple of websites that might help. >>One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >>http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 >> >>the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go >>on >>the mandrel >>http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >>The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 >>proposition. >> >>Chuck >> >>On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>bob, >>>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>>pulley? >>>> >>>> >>>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >>> >>>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the >>>key >>>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >>> >>>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>>long after we figured all this out. >>> >>>:-( >>> >>>I really liked working with that guy. >>> >>>rml >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 4 15:39:28 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004501c8677e$cdd35ae0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Richard, could you send me the attached photos of the ATI damper. I very interested in one. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 > I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > > >Found a couple of websites that might help. > >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: > >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > > > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on > >the mandrel > >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd > >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > > > >Chuck > > > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>bob, > >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > >>>pulley? > >>> > >>> > >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > >> > >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. > >> > >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > >>long after we figured all this out. > >> > >>:-( > >> > >>I really liked working with that guy. > >> > >>rml > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mini at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 4 19:13:05 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? In-Reply-To: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000201c8679c$a8485190$6400a8c0@home> Sorry, but these cars have a hard enough time keeping their fluids inside, so I feel the only good way to "revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals" is to replace them. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 08:57:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:57:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <000401c8680f$d2c2d080$b1191718@computer> Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the TR6? Where is the best mounting location? Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 10:14:29 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Tue Feb 5 11:38:54 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (chris at tr4-racing.de) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:38:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift In-Reply-To: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <1867101036-1202236766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-743094880-@bxe003.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> You should think about a welded diff. It made my car a lot faster. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing at att.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 To:"Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] inside wheel lift I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 14:02:42 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:02:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <020520082102.23264.47A8CEF200010C8F00005AE022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jim, I have mine mounted in the tire well in my TR-4A. It makes a nice clean installation that can be securely straped down. I think one of the standard sizes fit so there is no need to special order. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "jim hearn" : -------------- > Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the > TR6? Where is the best mounting location? > > Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name > of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Feb 5 17:06:19 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? Message-ID: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. TIA Jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96.7% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 5 17:29:54 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:29:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? In-Reply-To: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <43619E87-4EBC-44F4-A580-03EE64CBCF4B@bnj.com> Get the floats parallel to the gasket surface and you're in the ballpark. Best way to set them is with the carb assembled and full of gas. Take out the jet and look down the hole with a flashlight. You should see the gasoline right at the cross drilled hole. it helps to blow gently into the tube (don't put your lips on it, just blow downwards gently) to push the gas down and then let it rise again. If it's too high or low you'll see it immediately and you can re-set the float accordingly. On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:06 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic > floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, > from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip > of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. > > TIA > > Jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96.7% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 23:48:14 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters Message-ID: <8B39DA40-3E10-4F62-9CB4-6354DDC60D28@earthlink.net> Hello all, Soliciting feedback on Hoosier Speedsters 205/60/15. I pretty much know what to expect for grip vs. the Hoosier SM's I've been running. Wet &/or street use is what I'm curious about. Anyone put enough street miles on them to know how they wear? Anyone used them as a "rain" race tire? Tried shaving them for dry track use? Anyone dislike them enough that they want to off a used set? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque N.M. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 6 09:29:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] British parts..and THANKS Message-ID: <000e01c868dd$7a6d1750$0302a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I want to say THANKS! to all of you who have been bidding on/buying the Spitfire parts that I have been listing on Ebay.....Well...I just acquired a large quantity of British Car Stuff....Parts, manuals, etc..much of it is NOS...there is way too much to explain here..the listings will start within the hour..the 1st item is a NOS Tr6 Koni shock conversion kit(Moss Motors) Thanks to all of you for helping me 'Revel In Old Car Parts'...Man is this FUN!...Wooohoo! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 my Ebay user name is budscarco From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 10:27:40 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam question Message-ID: <47A9EE0C.3020803@bradakis.com> Here it is February already, just over two weeks before the Beach Party. But to the point, warmer spring weather is not too far away, time to get a Spit on the street. One thing I'll be doing is getting a TSI275 cam for the 1500 motor. My question, however, relates to using this grind in a TR6. Does anyone have experience with it in a street TR6? How does it compare to the Goodparts GP2 cam? We have a customer who needs a new cam for his 6, he may have already talked to Richard about a GP2. What other street grinds for the 6 might folks recommend? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 09:02:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 13:43:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 8 13:54:06 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. I guess I missed that chapter. :-) Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through the cockpit. Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if I go to get my car approved for road racing. > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. Something about the application expanding to utilize all available resources. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 8 13:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:55:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <069DDFCB-DA9B-4798-B531-9DC8A19AF837@bnj.com> Garages are always too small. On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, >> I'll replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used > it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN > fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some > point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:19:32 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:19:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: Message-ID: <000f01c86a98$4d699f00$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Weather it makes scence or not my breaded fuel line runs threw the cockpit on the right side floor from fire wall to fire wall so far (5yrs) the SCCA is ok with it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Shane Ingate" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:46:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA survey Message-ID: <003f01c86a9d$deeea290$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I am trying to answer the current SCCA survey for chooseing a new track to hold the runoff at and can only get to question 5 I can not get past ? # 5 is it me or them thanks rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 15:25:54 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:25:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, I'm using the blue hose and push-on fittings. The only way to remove the hose is to slice the line. Running the gas line through the cockpit is frequent amongst the road racers I know. Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it > for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point > if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 15:54:12 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: SCCA Needs Your Input Message-ID: <006401c86aa5$8652caa0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> tHIS IS IT rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Ozment To: 19to1tr6 at COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:07 AM Subject: SCCA Needs Your Input SCCA is conducting a survey of all Nationally-licensed drivers regarding the future location of the SCCA National Championship Runoffs. The results of this survey will be taken into serious consideration in determining future venues for the Runoffs. This is an event to crown the driver champions, so your input is of extreme importance. Your answers will be counted and you will not receive another version of this survey, so please answer honestly. Please fill it out as soon as it is convenient. Thank you for taking the time to help us improve your racing program. Terry Ozment SCCA VP, Club Racing http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=U28MCWUHWZB2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- OPT OUT | Learn More If you do not wish to receive further surveys from this sender, click the link below. Zoomerang will permanently remove you from this sender's mailing list. I do not want to receive any more surveys and emails from this sender. From westerneagleracing at att.net Fri Feb 8 17:22:52 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Shane, I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my mind it is a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 8 17:44:14 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to hurt the line. Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now I've jinxed myself. - Tony At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >related question: > >What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > >Thanks again, Jim >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Feb 8 18:10:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:10:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <016301c86ab8$801ab5e0$d214c548@RW> No jinx. That is how you do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 18:29:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar moment of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver about rotation. ;) Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance noticeably over the stock location over the axle. Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, in NM From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 Shane, I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my mind it is a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 19:57:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Polar Moment of Inertia = Big Lever Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Ron, > > Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar > moment > of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver > about > rotation. ;) > > Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance > noticeably over > the > stock location over the axle. > > Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, > in NM > From: westerneagleracing at att.net > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to > the > TR6? > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > Shane, > I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well > as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my > mind it is > a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. > Ron Jacobs > Western > Eagle Racing > > -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : > -------------- > > >> Jim Hearn asked: >> >>> What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the >>> car? >>> Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >> I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons >> is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal >> location >> as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is >> LOW. >> >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. >> >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Climb to the top > of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star >> power. >> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx? >> icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, > we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 07:47:42 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001701c86b2a$ba61f700$0200a8c0@Desktop> Why use aeroquip, why not Kevlar line it will not conduct electric Pass it thru aluminum tubing in cockpit Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 08:57:39 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:57:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to fuel spills. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 09:46:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5A450865-1704-49BA-97D7-0C685DD0CEBF@bnj.com> You're pretty relaxed about this stuff, eh? Or maybe your tongue is stuck firmly in one cheek? That's about a hundred pounds of variable weight, stuck in the very back of the car, sloshing around. I think that's a great idea for the Porsche drivers. On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Gasket Works USA wrote: > I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. > Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure > to fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From malaboge at aol.com Sat Feb 9 09:47:25 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:47:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <8CA3952951B98E1-1168-71A2@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com> Jim- Dash 6 AN all the way. Inside the car to keep the lines away from the "rough stuff". Double pumps and big fuel filter, regulator at the fire wall. Known to race "agricultrually" from time to time... ?????????????? Nick in Nor Cal ???????? -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 8:02 am Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 9 10:07:53 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:07:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> To keep a consistent performance the weight and location should be as close as possible equal each time on the track. Why lug around extra gasoline and reduce your acceleration and braking. Take the time to test properly what your mileage is on the track then do the math for every on-track period. It was my habit when installing a fuel cell to make a "fuel stick" at the first filling. In most cases you need to cut a 2" square the depth of the foam so the fuel stick can be positioned without touching the foam. Then pour a half gallon into the dry bladder and mark the stick, another half gallon and mark the stick. I would then transfer the marked distances to a piece of thin wall conduit and make the marks with a tubing cutter so the mark was inscribed into the tube. With this preparation you always know what you used for a given number of laps and what is remaining in the tank. The fuel stick had a secure spot in the trunk area so there were never any excuses about "who lost the stick? or why it was still back in the shop". Consistent weight gives a much better chance of consistent performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" Cc: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? >I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. >Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to > fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:35:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 EST Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph Message-ID: FoT: This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen in September. Regards, Joe Alexander > Joe, > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > to BeaveRun. > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > class all weekend. > Ralph Steinberg > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 9 11:44:08 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:44:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <20080209184411.AF600187658@autox.team.net> I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:52:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:52:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Fuel Tanks and Size Matters Message-ID: > I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to > run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely > full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. > > - Tony > Yup, I have a 10 gallon cell and it requires added fuel in a one hour enduro at Road America. Of course I have run out of fuel twice, even though I knew that. :-) My 10 gallon tank does fit nicely between chassis members, so it can be lowered further than the trunk bottom. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:29:03 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <004f01c86b5a$69ce1000$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 13:51:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:51:35 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: Racer Bud, This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in 2009 with a car. It is not too early to promote an event. Joe Alexander > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:53:13 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:53:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: Dear FOT, About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmissi on back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands, the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that th e only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least this clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:22:53 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:22:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG TRIUMPH EVENT... Message-ID: <004201c86b59$8ce52cf0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi CSRG Board of Directors/Officers..will you please present to the board the idea of having Triumph as a featured Marque at one of our races..probably in 2009 to allow enough time for planning... The general idea would be to attract as many Triumphs, and Triumph Powered cars as possible..and we would allow Triumphs newer than 1967(Spitfire..Tr6..TR7..TR8, etc) for this special event..considering the Enthusiasm of the FOT(Friends of Triumph), I am quite sure that we could easily fill a grid with Triumph/Triumph Powered Racers. Thanks, Bud DeLauer..Spitfire #21......Racer Bud From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:35:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:35:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: You're scaring the hell out of me since I just bought a new one! 7.25"? What car is it in? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:46:46 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:46:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 1) Message-ID: Dear FOT, (The moderator monster refused to let my dissertation go through. I will try to send it in two chapters.) About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmission back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that the only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. (Continue to Chapter 2)


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(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:47:25 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:47:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) Message-ID: (Start with Chapter 1) I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least the clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 9 14:56:44 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel cylinders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c86b66$a98c9ca0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> I am in the process of re-building my weeping TR-6 boosted master cylinder in my TR-4. I'll also install braided brake lines just for fun. So my question is, do any of you guys rebuild wheel cylinders that don't leak? Mine are 10 years old with about 35 races. In terms of reliability and function, their history has been exemplary. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 15:32:14 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Marty > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 21:41:26 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:41:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph References: Message-ID: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get confused! Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy laps. And the passengers love it. Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Feb 9 22:07:47 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:07:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Party time! Message-ID: <47AE86A3.8000902@bradakis.com> Yikes, well into February and finally getting around to an announcement about the annual Fat Chance Garage Beach Party. Coming right up, the festivities are planned for Saturday evening, Feb. 23rd, starting about 7 pm. While years past have often seen a unifying theme of some sort to the gathering, this year you are on your own for inspiration. Head down to the thrift store for that perfectly tacky, shapeless, floral motif garment. Grab some garish shades at the dollar store, dig out that floppy old sun hat you'd swear you'd never wear in public and prep yourself for a grand old time once again. Don't worry, there won't be a Beach Boys karaoke contest - at least not THIS year! As usual, bring a potluck dish of some sort to share if so inclined, adult beverages and whatever special soft drinks the kids want. Who knows what the weather will be like that evening, but maybe we'll provide some slow smoked pulled pork, or brisket, or perhaps a pot of chicken-habanero chili. We shall see. What: Annual Beach Party When: Saturday, February 23rd, 7pm Where: 739 Park Street ( 739 south, 540 east, Salt Lake City ) Who: You and anyone else who desires to attend Why: To have some fun! Web: http://bradakis.com/Beach See you there! mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 09:12:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:12:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell Message-ID: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun Feb 10 12:03:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <002e01c86c17$b074c770$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey Jim, I have an ATL (I think) fuel cell with a fuel sender installed and hooked it up to my original TR3 fuel gauge. Got tired of the stick thing. Works great when sitting in the paddock, but reads pretty funky when on the track! Sorry I don't know anything about the ohms. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Feb 10 14:16:35 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:16:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Feb 10 16:47:48 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:47:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002d01c86c3f$57a527c0$6401a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> I had the same experience this summer on my TR6. I have a "Weird hitch in my giddy up" (yes I'm from Texas) that I must screw something up first and read directions only as a last resort. The Tilton website has instructions for the clutch and throwout bearing that you should read before you try to use their setup. The clutch pedal stop is a must to keep from over stroking the clutch. Mine works like a charm now. Now it's onto screwing something else up, Mike -----Original Message----- Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 10 20:01:01 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:01:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Walter Hollowell Message-ID: I've been trying to contact Walter Hollowell but have had no response for some time. Anybody been in touch with Walter? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From britbits at tiu.net Sun Feb 10 21:26:09 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Message-ID: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV block FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. A quote from the gent: "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It only stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a difference in group racing." Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal meth lab? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM 1500 autocrosser and too many other toys ;) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 10 21:35:00 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:35:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 22:12:04 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:12:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <841573.67699.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I've got an FK motor sitting in my garage that I won't take any amount of money for; mainly because I haven't been able to find anyone to give me any money for it. Ernie Charly Mitchel wrote: Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 10 23:37:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <004501c86c78$a3b4a760$0202a8c0@newcomputer> FP motor eh? I gave one of those away rather than have an engine that was previously in am MG anywhere close to one of my Spits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:35 PM To: Jim; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 06:47:35 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 05:32 PM 2/9/2008, marty sukey wrote: >In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same >weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. > >Marty Marty, We run three days of vintage racing with Friday being a test and tune day and on Saturday and Sunday we also have a lively Auto Cross event going on. If you join in the auto cross festivities you will also become part of the Vintage Weekend and can partake of the festivities offered to driver and crews Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun > >---------- > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to > refuse if there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning > to run this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. > It's good business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the > Triumph Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up > for the Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >---------- >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! >Learn more. From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 23:23:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:23:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. Had a blast there too. We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:41 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a > great > time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good > paddock, clean > rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I > think > the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get > confused! > Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. > If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the > charity > rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race > car. (The > 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a > few easy > laps. And the passengers love it. > Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me > know. > And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of > Triumph > > >> FoT: >> >> This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to >> refuse if > there >> are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars > might >> be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no >> guarantees here. >> >> Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, >> below. We >> would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning >> to run > this >> event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's >> good > business, >> for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. >> >> There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph > Marque >> to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up >> for the > Glen >> in September. >> >> Regards, Joe Alexander >> >> >>> Joe, >>> Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars >>> to BeaveRun. >>> Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! >>> What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or >>> so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race >>> groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will >>> cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest >>> V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. >>> On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We >>> can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special >>> parking >>> for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. >>> If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that >>> are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only >>> class all weekend. >>> Ralph Steinberg >>> PVGPA Director of Competition >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:29:21 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 01:23 AM 2/10/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the >folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore >guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world >class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. >Had a blast there too. > >We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks >were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars >available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four >wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, >and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well >for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars >in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the >acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is >something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy >had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty >sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. > >A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around >Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. > > Ah, one of my fondest memories is of you standing in your car in an elegant Tuxedo as we did a photo shoot of American Specials on the false grid. Now if you would have run the Bentley around the track in that same suit all we would have needed is a black helicopter to pop in over the hills and we could imagine Bond, James Bond, behind the wheel. Thanks for coming Ralph Steinberg From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:24:24 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 11:41 PM 2/9/2008, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: >Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great >time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean >rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think >the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get >confused! >Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. >If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity >rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The >427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy >laps. And the passengers love it. >Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. >And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. >Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM >Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > Thank you Bill for your endorsement of our event. Let me fill you all in with a little more history of the PVGPA and BeaveRun in particular. The PVGPA started 25 years ago when a group of crazy people decided a neat way to help some people who could really use some help (our Charities the Autism Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny School) and have a blast doing it would be to have a street race through Schenley Park. Well some how or another it happened and we have been working on it ever since. I cam to my first event in 1990 working on Dave Milling's SS 100 Jaguar. A year or two later I raced that same car on the streets of Pittsburgh and have been hooked or ever. Some where along the line John Jacobson shanghaied me into helping him with the event. He was the VSCCA Chairmen of the event and under his careful eye it grew into a world class event attracting cars from all over United States and from across the pond. The real brains and driving force behind the entire event is Mike Connolly who gives himself completely to this event. He has marshalled and cajoled the city and its recourses behind this event and has put together an army of passionate workers, who I may add work for no more than lunch! Well between Mike and Jake I got hooked on the real reason of this event, our charities and the great people who either by bringing out their cars or volunteering or coming to watch make this the most unique vintage racing event in the world. One day, much to my surprise I became the VSCCA chairperson of the Vintage Race at Schenley Park and during this time Mike and I came up with the concept of the Historic Races at BeaveRun. Mike had already grew the event into a week long combination of car shows, cruising nights and a small rally that all ended with the Grand Prix. So what better way to add to this event than to start of with Historic Races at a venue where we could show off all of the cars that can not run the small tight course of the Grand prix or for what ever reasons did not meet the requirements of the VSCCA. Well 5 years ago (this will be our fifth) Mike and I opened up the Historic Races at BeaveRun. That first year was almost a heartbreaker. I think we managed to come up with about 45 cars, though they had an inkling of what was to come since if I remember correctly we ran the gamut from a few old Jags and an Abarth or two to GT40 and Cobras! The following year the VRG came on board and with it the expertise of Mark Plamer who many of you may know from MGVR or the Chair of the Turkey Bowl. We have not looked back. My wife, Candy, has pretty much stopped racing but has taken over many of the things that need to be done to keep the event going. Like making sure I know where I am and remember to eat and such. She also runs the Charity rides and to make it even more impressive she charges $10 per ride and in two 45 minute sessions each day (Saturday & Sunday) she raised $3000.00 with the help of all of our drivers and volunteers. And I am never sure who has a bigger grin on their face the driver or the little kid who just did his first lap in a race car! Over the 25 years that the PVGPA has been in operation we have handed close to 2.5 million dollars to our charities. And no that is not raised but what we have given them after the track is paid for, the streets cleaned up, the rescue people paid for and the last light turned out. So I want you to come on out and race or auto cross or just show off your car and watch at one of the best vintage events anywhere in the world. And you get the nice feeling of helping others that need our help right here at home. Did I mention that you do not even make your check out to the VRG but to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association, a fully tax deduct able organization. So come on out Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if >there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars >might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run >this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good >business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph >Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the >Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Feb 11 00:46:20 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:46:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] roller rockers from TS auto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080211074619.YAI8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Chasing Ted to buy some roller rockers. Is this the correct email for him???? Ted Schumacher [tedtsimx at bright.net] If you happen to be reading this Ted, please contact me . thanks Terry O'Beirne From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 11 08:01:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 08:44:22 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:44:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <748227.94680.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, the FM block is from the 1500, and it doesn't always have the best reputation. The FK and FH(?) blocks are the MK IV blocks, so neither one has the big journals. ISTR that the MK 3 id the desirable block. Doug Mitchell --- Charly Mitchel wrote: > Yes, by all means report him. > BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're > interested. I also have the more > desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought > after FP motors. > I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing > to part with them for a > fraction of the actual value. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the > winter boredom > > > > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a > '71 Spitfire MK IV > > block > > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. > It's interesting as he's > > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, > complete and running. > > > > A quote from the gent: > > > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to > me by a group 44 driver > > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's > large journals and the > > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh > race modifications. It > > only > > stands to reason that the mods to the block for > that one year made a > > difference in group racing." > > > > Should I contact the local police department so > they can raid his crystal > > meth lab? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim > > Dallas > > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > > and too many other toys ;) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu Mon Feb 11 10:18:57 2008 From: jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu (jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <380-220082111171857683@M2W039.mail2web.com> Bob, Are you aware that the Toledo Pro Solo just happens to be the weekend prior to the PVGP? Hitting up two events while you are out this way might make that haul easier to justify......or a lot harder....either way, I think its a great idea. Jason Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Lang lang at isis.mit.edu Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) To: trmarty at hotmail.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 11 18:11:08 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> It bounced the first time so here it is again! JVV > FOT, > I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. > > Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent track > time too. > > One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the > Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western > Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have been > doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for the year > and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't get a > better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our > contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well and we > are proud to be a part of the event every year. > > It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not enjoy > Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. > > Jerry Van Vlack > > PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the > Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh stop > by and see us at Watkins Glen. From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 11 22:09:33 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:09:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track >> time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been >> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year >> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >> get a >> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >> and we >> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy >> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >> Pittsburgh stop >> by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 12 08:29:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the FriendsofTriumph Message-ID: <3B856842.7A181A04.00159EE9@cs.com> EXACTLY! I have attended twice. In addition to having good friends in the area, the beauty of city is exciting. And there is a great enthusiasm. Long term events like this wont last without a lot of folks behind it. >I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg >is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. >Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all >adults--hard to do. >On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > >> It bounced the first time so here it is again! >> JVV >> >> >>> FOT, >>> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >>> >>> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >>> track >>> time too. >>> >>> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >>> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >>> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >>> been >>> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >>> the year >>> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >>> get a >>> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >>> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >>> and we >>> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >>> >>> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >>> enjoy >>> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >>> >>> Jerry Van Vlack >>> >>> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >>> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >>> Pittsburgh stop >>> by and see us at Watkins Glen. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Feb 12 09:59:31 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:59:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: 23 years ago I attended my fist PVGP and fell in love with Vintage Racing because of it. So I returned for the 25 th PVGP races last summer and enjoyed every moment. Can not say enough about it, a world class event that is right up there with the best, Monterey Historic, BRIC @ Road America and even Goodwood Festival of Speed ( been to all of them several times also). A must attend lifetime event! Bill Redinger -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Ralph Steinberg; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You >> can't get a better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the >> races. Our contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant >> as well and we are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh >> stop by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 10:20:45 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: Aw heck, some of us are easier than others. But I don't cut the grass. Marty > Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all > adults--hard to do.> On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 12 17:31:19 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell In-Reply-To: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I would quite happy with a > relative reading > (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this > gauge will work > but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience > with this sort of > thing. If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It expects 0 to be full. Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Feb 12 17:47:16 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing Message-ID: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better way to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will refresh current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the information they need to hit the track running and get involved in Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other FREE STUFF as well. Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical things you can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 12 17:50:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:50:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004201c86dda$7369a2a0$d214c548@RW> You can guess at the compression ratio, guess at the tire pressures, why not guess on the gas supply? The first two guesses probably won't leave you stranded out on the course, but the last one can, easily.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'jim hearn'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell >> I would quite happy with a >> relative reading >> (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this >> gauge will work >> but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience >> with this sort of >> thing. > > If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It > expects 0 to be full. > > Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... > meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. > > One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 12 23:10:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:10:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:47 PM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's > time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better > way > to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! > Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & > Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by > replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. > > This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will > refresh > current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the > information they need to hit the track running and get involved in > Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an > organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other > FREE > STUFF as well. > > Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & > personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire > extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical > things you > can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! > > Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 05:56:23 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> Message-ID: > actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. I'm sure all that sun and mild temps are a trial... If you would like, I can see if I could box up some of our +9F and flurries to send to you. The only problem with shipping weather it would most likely spoil... you'd open up a box of mild temps and sun. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 13 19:55:08 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted In-Reply-To: <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> References: <20080213211126.e1n3y1kkq8soo0c0@webmail.triumphspitfire.com> <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <0D273D76-31A0-4C14-BE2C-39234611F8F9@mac.com> Over on the NASS list, this was posted, and I contacted Howard regarding what he was looking for. I offered to post on the FOT in case there were any budding writers among us. If the PDF file doesn't show, let me know off-list and I will forward it to you.... ----------------- Subject: Re: Hi Scott, I edit the Spit/GT6 magazine, and this next issue I am trying to focus on racing. So I am looking for anyone that is willing to write about their passion of racing Spits or GT6s. If you or others would be interested, get back to me. I am looking to talk with anyone that does race or has raced Spitfires &/or GT6s, whether in the early days, or in recent SCCA, VDCA, etc., track type venues. Please contact me offlist and I will explain more. bauguesh at ... bauguesh [at] verizon.net or howard at ... howard [at] triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard Baugues NASS#1 Indiana Editor - Spitfire & GT6 magazine www.triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard PS: I have attached a copy of the upcoming issue's cover draft. Car owned & built by Tim Slater of W. Palm Beach, FL. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:47:35 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:47:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR6/GT6 solid rocker spacer kit Message-ID: Ok sometimes I have moments that don't quite make sense. I apparently ordered a solid rocker spacer kit for the TR6/GT6 during my last parts ordering round. So, rather than chop them or machine them I have one set of solid rocker spacers, new and unused for a TR6/Gt6 for sale. TriumphTune P/N TT1218 or Victoria British p/n 1-9518 $49.95 in the VB catalogue and #25 from TT... $50 bucks includes shipping via priority mail...hopefully someone wants them. aaron From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:51:26 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SCCA National Races March 29/30 St. Louis, MO Message-ID: For those of you who are interested: March 29 and 30th is the first SCCA National of the Midwest Division for the Season. The event is at Gateway International Raceway in St. Louis (actually in East St. Louis, IL). I have a few crew passes available if anyone would like to help. I like the track and I got my first National win here last year, hopefully I can continue the trend with the updated engine and other goodies that have been worked on over the winter. Contact me if you are interested in helping out, or just want to come by and check things out. aaron From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 14 12:29:26 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted Message-ID: Spitfire story tellers wanted? Isn't that like asking for fishing stories? "Ya shoulda seen...." Shane Ingate, getting punchy after reviewing LANL proposals for a week, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From DennisR380 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:41:43 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Feb 14 12:44:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Feb 14 13:14:05 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will have on preferable toe. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string > the car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Feb 14 13:19:54 2008 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:19:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: Message-ID: <002301c86f46$f682a4d0$6a00000a@Dave> Probably largely a factor of what kind of differential you are running. With a welded diff (which wants to keep driving you straight) sometimes a bit more toe out will help reduce the push on corner turn-in, but with limited slips or open diff's the number should be able to be smaller. I've always assumed that the less scrub the better - all other things being equal. Obviously, your driving style has a large bearing on this question as well, although the nice thing about front toe is that you can easily play with it at the track and test it for both comfort and lap times, which are not always in agreement. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:21:24 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jeff_durant at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:48:10 2008 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821954109-1203022280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-989967390-@bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Dennis, I would recommend a 1/16th to 1/8th inch toe in. My TR6 runs a Detroit Locker and I've found with toe out it wanders at speed. Not so with toe in. Front camber is set to -1.0. degrees. Jeff D. #12 TR6 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Feb 14 14:05:25 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:05:25 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: It should be easy to get cars from SoCal. Are we talking about Laguna Seca, Thunderhill or Sears? Makes a difference, especially with the noise issues up there. Put me as a tentative yes with the GT6. In a message dated 2/14/2008 12:22:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 14 15:13:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c86f56$d5d9f200$d214c548@RW> The thing I learned from designer Trevor Harris, make CERTAIN that you did not pass from toe-in to toe-out or the other way around.. This can happen easily during hard braking if the bump-steer is not correct. If it crosses over for in to out, lots of times you need three lanes to make a one lane stop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg - Lunker Hilyer" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a > circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some > theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a > handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - > very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. > Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will > have on preferable toe. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > >> I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string >> the car to >> set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how >> much total >> front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual >> but there are >> no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total >> toe-out...or? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ************** >> The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the >> Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Feb 14 15:21:17 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:21:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 14 15:35:02 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:35:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> I like none, but that's me. On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 00:40:10 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:40:10 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801c86edc$d43a2520$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I think toe in is desirable if you want the car to center itself and be easy to steer. Perhaps if you were running the 24 Hours of LeMans, this would have proven a good choice. If you are on a tight course with lots of switchbacks and elevation changes this would seem less desirable. There are after all an infinite number of variables that must be dealt with on any course, with the possibility also of a preponderance of any combination of these variables. It seems from other discussions that with plenty of caster, negative camber and an aggressive sway bar, you would give away some ability to dig in under hard cornering if you were toed in. It's going to be the outer wheel that is doing vast majority of the work, and it's orientation relative to the inner wheel would be of reduced importance. Perhaps when turning in the inner wheel would actually be working counter to the outer wheel? Of course all this must be affected by the amount of available suspension travel, body roll rate, tire adhesion, front to rear weight bias, type of rear end setup, amount of available power, etc. That must be why it is a worthwhile and necessary investment to introduce as many ways to adjust geometry as possible, and to spend long hours in many different settings recording and analyzing the effects of various combinations. I believe this is referred to as road testing, and must make the difference between a racecar that can be driven fast, and one that can be driven fast on any track, and win a series. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > I like none, but that's me. > On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > > > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > > car to > > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > > much total > > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > > but there are > > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > > toe-out...or? > > > > Dennis > > > > > > ************** > > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 16:53:47 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c86f64$d7bdc4d0$0200a8c0@hal9000> I'll come out from Colorado, no problem. Jim G TR4 # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:21 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California > in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of > > directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Fri Feb 15 01:15:25 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <008001c86faa$eb387b90$6402a8c0@HOME> As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Fri Feb 15 12:37:45 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph Event 2009 Message-ID: <021520081937.28318.47B5EA08000D64BD00006E9E22070208530E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> Folks: I'd be pleased to attend a CSRG event in CA with TR a featured mark. Perhaps we could get other WA and OR folks to join in, I.E. Peyote, Charlie Mitchel's TR6, Jeff Quick with his original Cal Auto TR4A, Mark York's TR3, etc.. John James From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:00:13 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Amici, My comments apply to a mostly stock street TR6 with open-diff. I did a lot of testing on auto-X and hill-climbs: Front and rear toe to 1/8. Front camber to -1 degree. Rear camber to - 2 degrees. Stock caster. This gave me great turn-in, rock-solid steering at all speeds and under brakes. I had no bump-steer. This set-up gave me smile that the Pantera could not match, and so made me sell that monster. All bets are off now with the LSD, 300 less pounds and new corner weights as I have zero time on the track. YMMV. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 16 19:21:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:21:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] triumph race Message-ID: <028901c8710b$d954a040$0202a8c0@Bud> 1st phase of having a CSRG Triumph/triumph powered Race...If approved, the venue will be Thunderhill Park, owned and operated by The San francisco region SCCA..Thunderhill is in Willows California..on interstate 5 about 2 hours 15 minutes tow from san francisco..Thunderhill is a 15 turn(approx 2.8 mile) track with lots of runoff area..similiar to the tracks of the old days..guard rail and k wall is almost non existant..it is of course used along the front straight to seperate the pits from the track..the track surface is always kept in excellent condition, as it is used virtually every day...The logical time to hold the triumph race will be at the Spring CSRG event..late april or Early May. There are lots of reasonable hotel accomodations at Thunderhill..I usually pay about 63.00 per night at the Best Western Golden Pheasant, which has lawn backing up to rear doors of most all rooms, and 2 large swimming pools with nice lounging areas..There is an Amerihost next door..the price is about the same..There are also motel 6..and Super 8, at lower rates...Thunderhill Raceway Park's website is www.thunderhill.com So far We have 10 commitments, 8 of which are firm..I also have not heard from Bill Babcock..as my direct email to him gets bounced.....Things are moving forward here..We should let the Morgan Gang know about this stuff. Thanks Friends Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 17 19:12:09 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher In Hemmings Message-ID: <001401c871d3$aae4ab10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Nice article by our own Ted Schumacher in this month's Hemmings on page 46 - the March issue with the red Ford pick-up on the cover. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 09:27:42 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:27:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: <20080217163708.VUMM9710.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Very cool... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/automobiles/collectibles/17contest.html GAVIN RHODES was surprised that his black 1959 Triumph TR3A won the Collectible Car of the Year contest on nytimes.com. At a time when American muscle cars have become treasured icons and Italian sports cars are, well, Italian sports cars, Mr. Rhodes, 33, didnt think his froggish little roadster stood a chance. I was up against a Ferrari, he said, adding that the contest really represented the whole spectrum of classic cars. Some people use them every day. Other people have several million-dollar cars that are trucked around from show to show. I was amazed. A total of 558 cars were entered in the contest, and 4,500 votes were cast by readers of nytimes.com for the 30 finalists, which had been chosen by the staff of the Automobiles section in November. As winner, Mr. Rhodes will receive $5,000 and a trophy; the other finalists will receive a prize package valued at $50 and passes to the New York International Auto Show in March. The outcome of the competition revealed an automotive counterculture of sorts: the enduring affection for classic British sports cars, warts and all. And there were warts, including a weakness for rust and glitchy electronics. Like all but a handful of British carmakers, Triumph passed through several owners; ultimately, it kicked the can in 1984. Today, BMW owns the rights to build cars under the Triumph name, while a private company with no relationship to BMW or the original owner sells Triumph sport motorcycles that look like anime robots. The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. His first was a 16th-birthday gift from his father, Jim, a gearhead with his own crazy way of souping up old cars. Past projects included a 1959 Jaguar Mark I sedan that used a Buick V-6, and a 1932 Ford pickup with a Corvette engine. Mr. Rhodes recalls that the first car he drove to high school was a Sunbeam Tiger, a British roadster powered by a factory-installed Ford V-8. There was a coolness factor, Mr. Rhodes said about driving his fathers cars, but his birthday present was, he felt, more of a loaded present. It was a wrecked car, he explained. It had like mice in the trunk. It meant so many weekends with my dad, working on it. As a teenager, you have some tension with your father - it was a bittersweet gift. It took them two years to restore the car. They painted it a bright canary yellow and even installed a few aftermarket parts, including a racing seat with a four-point safety harness. It ended up keeping Mr. Rhodes from being seriously injured. Four months after finishing the car, Mr. Rhodes collided with a drunken driver. I T-boned him, luckily, he said. Had he arrived at the intersection a second later, the drunken driver would have hit the TR3s flimsy drivers side door. The seat kept him from being thrown around inside the car. Mr. Rhodes and his father found a replacement TR3 that was in better condition than the yellow car. A year and a few setbacks later, they finished the second car, the summer before Mr. Rhodess senior year of high school. Today he lives in Brooklyn, where he and his wife, Michelle McDevitt, own Audible Treats, a music promotion and marketing company. But the heady price of nearby garages - around $300 a month, Mr. Rhodes said - means that the Triumph is still at his fathers house in New Mexico. He said he returned two or three times a year to drive the car and keep it in running order, but he was looking for an affordable way to keep the TR3A closer to home. Recently, he made a post on Craigslist. Looking for classic car philanthropist or enthusiast who has an extra garage, he said he wrote. So far, Ive gotten no reply. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 21:11:13 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:11:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> /fighting words on Compared to the refrigerator boxes with wheels that the later TR's resembled I would certainly say that our swoopy, flowing fendered TR's that allow us to drag our knuckles certainly evoke a more elegant profile. /fighting words off At 09:07 PM 2/17/2008, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/17/2008 10:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't get me wrong, as I love them, but.... ;-) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 05:47:52 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:47:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shocks Message-ID: <155b1b2784a7e799e233095540fbf658@wi.rr.com> Anyone had any experience using the newer Spax shock that has two settings - one for bounce and one for rebound? Also, I keep hearing the argument that as shocks are being used in a racing application, they heat up and begin to lose they ability to respond. This argument has been presented to me for the stock lever arm shocks on my TR6 as well as for the standard Spax shocks sold by Moss, etc. Anyone have any real test experience or data? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 06:36:32 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) The definition of elegant from Answers.com: "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or style." Well, I probably wouldn't use it either. BUT, the slang use of elegant: "[common; from mathematical usage] Combining simplicity, power, and a certain ineffable grace of design. Higher praise than clever, winning, or even cuspy. The French aviator, adventurer, and author Antoine de Saint-Exupiry, probably best known for his classic children's book The Little Prince, was also an aircraft designer. He gave us perhaps the best definition of engineering elegance when he said A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. " Saint-Ex could have been describing a TR3! Simplicity and power; not much left to take away from a TR3! John H. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 18 07:45:29 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:45:29 EST Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: In a message dated 02/18/2008 7:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me > wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) > The definition of elegant from Answers.com: > > "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or > style." > Yeah! Fits the TR3, but not the TR3A. The grille's too wide. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 19:07:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:07:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Custom Spring Summary Message-ID: FoT, Here are the results of my research into having custom springs made in the US. The companies included in the following list were recommended by various members of our esteemed group. Thank you for all the input. 1. Coil Spring Specialties St. Mary's, Kansas (785) 437-2025 www.coilsprings.com Tech guy: Kevin They do make custom one-offs. Cost; $186/pair. They prefer to have your old springs to work from. 2. Eibach Springs Corona, California (800) 507-2338 www.eibach.com Tech guy: Ryan They do make custom springs but you need to order at least 100 at a time. They have an extensive catalogue but a majority of their springs are 2-1/2" diameter (coil-overs). 3. Draco Springs Draco, Texas www.dracospring.com (800) 645-4971 Tech guy: Mike - Very knowledgeable and helpful. They will make custom springs at $185 each. They have a tech sheet to fill out and they too, prefer to have your spring sent to them. 4. Hyperco Spring Logansport, Indiana www.hypercoils.com (574) 753-6622 Tech girl: Diane They have a large catalogue (mostly coil-over) and do make custom springs. Cost: $283 each. Quoted price is for a cold wound spring with a rate of 625 lbs. and wire gage +1/2". 5. Babcock Auto Spring Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin (414) 276-4450 They make leaf springs only. There you have it. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 22:36:05 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <976282.43888.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My TR-6 is an occasionally street driven autocross car. For autocross I am running 8.5" wide rims with 225/45ZR15 Hoosier A6 tires. The street setup is 7.0" wide rims with Yokohama 205/50R15 tires. Front caster is 5.8 degrees Front camber is -3.00 Toe out is 1/16" This car has no noticeable bump steer on the street tires or the bigger autocross tires, and does not dart under heavy braking. The bigger autocross tires do have a slight tendency to follow seams in the road, but otherwise this TR-6 is very stable and has crisp turn in as long as the loose nut at the wheel does not blow off the corner by charging too hard and braking too late. Jim P Joe Boruch wrote: I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Feb 19 04:05:05 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:05:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Heroic stuff Chris ! ...... I set mine up using the m25 london orbital motorway! I've a feeling you did it better than me ...... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 15/02/08 08:15 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:36:32 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Message-ID: Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Feb 19 08:42:09 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay References: Message-ID: gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3A B %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:51:22 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:51:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Bulk] Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 08:52:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:52:42 EST Subject: [Fot] "SURVEY SAYS" Meadow Brook Hall Concours De Elegance 3 August Message-ID: Just a brief, but possibly important survey: If the Meadow Brook Hall Committee decided to invite Vintage Race Cars in 2008 or 2009, how many folks would submit their TRIUMPHS for consideration and acceptance? fyi: http://www.meadowbrookconcours.org/ Name State Triumph(s) autox/rally/current era/vintage? email address We have a number of Triumphs that are show quality...but they dont need to be perfect or have tons of provenance. Please submit if you have any inclination. Dialogue on this has been initiated.... The FoT has been instrumental in raising the awareness and value of our Triumphs. To be featured at Meadow Brook Hall furthers that awareness. Example: Bill Dentinger Wisconsin TR3 Vintage BillDentin at aol.com Thanks! Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:58:04 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:20:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:20:27 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 09:28:38 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: <021920081628.27402.47BB03B60004C0FC00006B0A2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to beleive it was all so long ago.... Irv -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 > > The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests > at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the > current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed > Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still > juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. > > Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown > of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help > here? > > Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show > or race. > > Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as emanteno at comcast.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Feb 19 09:40:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:40:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 Ummm - this wasn't Ralph, it was Fletcher Williams. I'm not sure if Ralph got any B Sedan titles or not. I think it was Rick Cline who got the B Sedan titles. Now - Fletcher Williams is a character. I'll leave it at that. Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 [other stuff deleted] regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Feb 19 09:53:04 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:53:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. I'll volunteer to race it!! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. N197TR4 at cs.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/19/08 08:20 AM To macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:54:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:54:33 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/2008 10:28:52 AM Central Standard Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to > beleive it was all so long ago.... > > Irv > Fletcher Williams! Yes!!!......my apologies....same questions apply. My memory failed me. I shoulda looked it up. Thanks IRV From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 10:00:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:00:16 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > From ofbracing at nefcom.net Tue Feb 19 10:19:43 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c8731b$9f0befd0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Rick is alive and well, still grinding custom cams and building race engines in the Orlando FL area. He used to be on the FOT list but has apparently gotten dropped. According to the SCCA documentation, he won the Runoffs in 3 consecutive years, '72 and '73 in G Prod, '74 in F Prod. I believe there were 2 different Spits, one of which was still in his hanger the last time I was down there. He also participated in the Cannonball run, co-driving a Ferrari Dino with Jack May. There's a short article about that at http://www.geocities.com/carrollms/cannonball/dino.html Cheers, Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 13:36:50 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 14:11:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:11:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <8CA415315788F21-2C4-16AE@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> Who could forget the Cline team colors, baby-shix brown... Thanks for posting the photo links! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: N197TR4 at cs.com; lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:47:29 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:47:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:01:43 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:01:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802191401x22d9309cxfcabcea248812bce@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship race with Mueller and his TR7]. http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf On Feb 19, 2008 1:47 PM, wrote: > Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? > > > > Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois > > > > That's not a leak... My car's > just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:07:23 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 15:13:16 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chuck Arnold" > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:29:06 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:29:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:36:35 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000201c87347$e27e0100$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You can also tell by the number of head studs. 1296 and 1500 have 10 1147 have 11 If the 6 port head is bolted on it is a 1147 engine If not bolted on and the block has 11 studs it is a 1147 block To answer your question, yes (almost, as do the 948's). Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cwn74 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:37:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:46:11 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:46:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000401c87349$ed47c650$0202a8c0@newcomputer> If the block has been shaved down, it probably took the number stamping with it. Clark's suggestion of counting the studs if then the best way to tell. The 1147 and everything before has 11 studs. Afterwards, there are 10. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:51:49 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone! `Just what the designer ordered Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: emanteno at comcast.net > To: triosan at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > > > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf > > If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:16:40 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:16:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <001301c87355$ddbdd880$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. Bob GT6 racer From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:19:57 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <003201c87356$534b13b0$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Rick lives here in Groveland, Florida and is still producing great Spitfire and GT6 engines. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps > someone > else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB > Racing. But that's not much. > > >> Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 17:54:06 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Clark Thank you very much for the link. Great pictures ejoyed seeing them, will have to go back and see them all. Terrific. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: February 19, 2008 5:07 PM To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 18:01:22 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Sweeeeeeeet! Anyone wanna help me rob a bank? Shane Ingate, wondering how Kas made the fluted DCOE trumpets, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:30:19 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201c87370$eb1fa470$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Actually Fletcher Williams was the 1991 National champion and I was his crew chief. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:58:03 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:58:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> In that race, Fletcher radioed in on the tenth lap and said the head gasket was blown and water was blowing all over his legs. He said the oil temp was staying under 230 so Sandy said to tell him to keep going just don't blow it up. He ran the remaining 8 laps with no water in the motor! The oil kept the motor cool enough to finish the race. We all wanted a victory lap and the car was too hot to refire so we were towed around by a wrecker for our victory lap! The tech guys had me pull the head so they could check the bore and stroke. The only damage we found was a collapsed valve seat. Ahhh the good old days. Mike (Still blowing head gaskets) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 21:12:51 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> References: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Message-ID: <002a01c87376$dca20540$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I remember during P+Q Fletcher (one year at the Runoffs) would leave a puddle of oil in the pits around the bell housing area. Perhaps championship year. "Can't be mine" was the reply! I may have a photo of the tow around, we'll find out when I get that far! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 19 22:10:10 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1147's Message-ID: <976568.57792.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: While on the subject of 1147 Spitfire's...we have a new member of CVAR that has purchased a Spitfire Mk1 out of Tampa Fla. The car is in my shop being prepped for this coming weekends race. I am curious if anyone on the list may know of the car. It is white with three blue stripes on the bonnet, number 97, and has a Midwestern council sticker on the side. I am curious about the level of engine prep since it is sporting stock axles. Also...the owner is wanting to move on to a 1296 at the end of the season or when this motor gets ill. The car has tons of spares including three 1147 motors disassembled. Is there anyone else on the list running an 1147cc car that would like spare blocks or heads? I think we'll keep the cranks to use in a 1296 small journal motor. I also have a Spitfire Mk 3 which was recovered from the vacant lot demons, sitting outside my shop. Is there anyone on the list that needs a steel bonnet, boot lid, doors, etc. from a roundtail? I want to give the list first shot before they head to Ebay. All the panels are in repairable condition. Please let me know off list. Thanks - Ed From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:45:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <022020081445.11074.47BC3CFF000618ED00002B422213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bob" > Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:47:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] corrected link Message-ID: <022020081447.13944.47BC3D700007F155000036782213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Sorry, that should have been http://www.race-cars.com/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: emanteno at comcast.net In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 20 07:52:43 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:52:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads Message-ID: Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:21:03 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm which indicates that car was sold previously for $35K. But the eBay description indicates that the car has been with the same owners since 1988, significantly pre-dating race-cars.com. My guess is that they received no takers on race-cars.com, withdrew the advertisement, and are trying on eBay. Nevertheless, there are some more pictures to drool over at race-cars.com. Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal. Don't look at me, though, I'm struggling just to finish one car for the road/track. Shane Ingate, with no sugar-daddies in Magdalena, NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From DennisR380 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 10:25:44 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:25:44 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: Irv, I believe that website address is: www.race-cars.com DR ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 10:51:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Henry Frye Address Message-ID: anybody have an address for henry? i lost mine. thanks joe a From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:33:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm really confused. The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there because of that. Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm and http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary and video... The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? I'm puzzled... From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Wed Feb 20 11:33:05 2008 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page Message-ID: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ From alan at nosbritishparts.com Wed Feb 20 11:39:45 2008 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <97056.56626.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> OK..It took a few seconds to get the message. Alan T Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 11:51:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:51:03 EST Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for bringing this up. Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the positive aspects. A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would enter this event. However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! Joe A > I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there > because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited > to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary > and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and > two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There > must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... > _______________________________________________ > From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:56:46 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <602362.82156.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got it right away. But everyone around me at work wanted to know why I was laughting at a blank screen! Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as sbracing at sbcglobal.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 12:25:18 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From wredinger at oppd.com Wed Feb 20 12:44:49 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Feb 20 12:59:31 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:59:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cars in drag don't count! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "REDINGER, WILLIAM E" Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/20/08 11:44 AM To , , cc Subject Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:15:48 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 mph, and Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. Shane Ingate in NM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 > From: wredinger at oppd.com > To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered > drag car! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > herald948 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > > I love google. > > Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse > owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: > > http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm > > ==AM== > So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car > replica: > > > > :-) > ==AM== > > Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning > the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be > a deal.... > > ==AM== > Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on > your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I > think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only > need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald Database at its new URL: > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 20 19:54:31 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? In-Reply-To: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080221025441.0C5D818767C@autox.team.net> In my case, I can only do one or two "big event"s a year, and the Glen is mine for this year. I want to run Beaverun and PGVP (if they'll let me, I give that like 25% with my car prep level), but it's just not in the cards for this year. - Tony At 12:33 PM 2/20/2008, tom strange wrote: >I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race > there because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much > more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track > commentary and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one > racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would > go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 20 17:54:28 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:54:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the end of straights). On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. > I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 > mph, and > Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. > > All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 >> From: wredinger at oppd.com >> To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 >> powered >> drag car! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> herald948 at aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM >> To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> >> I love google. >> >> Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse >> owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: >> >> http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm >> >> ==AM== >> So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car >> replica: >> >> > > >> >> :-) >> ==AM== >> >> Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as >> owning >> the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got >> to be >> a deal.... >> >> ==AM== >> Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? >> Depends on >> your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I >> think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only >> need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >> Triumph Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald Database at its new URL: >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> More new features than ever. 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If you are not the intended recipient you are > notified that > disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance > on the > contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:58:59 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Spitfire Racer (Scott Cypher)) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for TR 6 STD pistons (4) In-Reply-To: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> References: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> Message-ID: <3F9E5447-BD7D-4CF5-950F-938EDD5F3B9B@xsmail.com> I am looking for 4 std TR6 pistons for my 1500 rebuild. If you have an imcomplete set wasting away in a corner, pleAse email me off list.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com On Feb 19, 2008, at 18:29, "C E White" wrote: > What is the proper thread size for the gearshift knob on a '69/'70 > GT6+? > > Chuck White > NASS #495 > Xenia, OH > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>> To unsubscribe send an empty email to: nass-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> NASS Home Site nasshq resources http://www.nasshq.org >>> Full Membership details: http://www.nasshq.org/docs/memberapp.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/join > (Yahoo! 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Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: > Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 06:42:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:42:57 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally. Perhaps Kas or one of your others who worked on and raced it later, but still "in the day", can shed some light. It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. Also, the last time I weighed Ralph's car it was 2123#. The B-Sedan weight rules for a non-cross flow engine were 1.0# / cc. That means the car should weigh 2500# by my figures. No wonder it is fast!!! It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. Just my 2 pennies. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 07:38:18 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:38:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B4017B5-101E-4E0D-AEBD-21F6BA33E543@bnj.com> well, he didn't really bat me, more like beat me. Same thing I guess On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out > of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most > corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped > accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took > over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a > lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end > of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 > (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the > end of straights). > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 07:45:13 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42AF8025FAA7-1618-EEA@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally.... It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. ==AM== Correct; the Vitesse was 2L (except for the original Vitesse 6/Sports 6, which was 1.6L). ==AM== It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. ==AM== Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:10:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:10:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 writes: Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. OK, that helps me on the 5-speed. Thanks, Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:27:04 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:27:04 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 8:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse > had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did. > > ==AM== > Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. > Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:43:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:43:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Feb 21 08:53:05 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:53:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CA46017@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That doesn't work everywhere. Our group is making 2 guys pull Toyota 5 speeds out. CVAR requires a tranny from the original manufacturer, which means a TR6 trans works in a GT6, but not the Toyota conversion. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:43 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; Billb at bnj.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:56:13 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:56:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. > Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > Jack... What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:58:46 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:58:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? Only 85 days until my first kringle fix for 2008! jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 09:39:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> You mean nitrous isn't okay? Damn, I guess I'll have to just huff all those bottles. transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. I know, I know, slippery slope, and why wouldn't a guy with a 1908 diffenbacher--woolsey 30/50 then be allowed to run a small block chebbie. My answer is guys with pukka race cars accept a higher standard when they choose to engage, modified production car guys don't. And if you screw with your diffenbacher too much you'll be ostracized by the entire Woolsley community and it won't be worth squat, whereas an unmolested 917 can provide retirement income for a mid-sized town. It's a spectrum, not black and white, and I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. I'm still going to run 4 speed TR boxes in Peyote, but if i get tired of spending as much for a transmission as I used to for a whole motor, then there's an option. On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra writes: > > >> You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. >> Everything is there under "car info". >> >> In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. >> >> This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > > > Jack... > > What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! > > Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has > been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. > BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is > well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle > handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598 > ) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 09:43:40 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:43:40 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:40:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. Thanks Bill. I think we are the bastion of reason in a sport that is populated by extremes! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:17:14 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Bill, et al: You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. ==AM== Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:31:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:31:14 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:25:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace You can't nit-pick me because I have absolute domain over SVRA rules! I'll give you a 5-speed but don't push it. Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:33:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:33:25 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:34:53 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:53 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:33:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SMITH1127 writes: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? We have and are waiting for the master's reply. jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 21 10:49:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Missed it by one :). My TR3 has overdrive in ALL four gears. >==AM== >Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive >gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the >earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) > >--Andy Mace From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 21 13:19:55 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:19:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] New mail address References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <005f01c874c7$203f1c60$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, because of that trouble to access FOT and stay in contact with the USA racers I've set up this mail address: tr4racing at googlemail.com This one is only made to reach unreachable people (comcast.net) This is my 2008 race schedule: 27.06.2008 29.06.2008 N|rburgring (GP-Kurs) Oldtimer Festival 26.07.2008 27.07.2008 Brands Hatch, England 30.08.2008 31.08.2008 Assen, Niederlande Classic Car Festival 13.09.2008 14.09.2008 Zandvoort GTO Classic 26.09.2008 28.09.2008 N|rburgring Nordschleife ADAC Eifelrennen 18.10.2008 19.10.2008 Spa Francorchamps ADAC Finale Some nice race events I think. Cheers Chris http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 15:12:39 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:12:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: <002001c874d6$df969430$d214c548@RW> Lots of talk about this car I did in 1971. It started off as a stock Vitesse, used, sent to me by the factory for this project. It was built/raced /sold as a two liter car. Even if I had the car right now I'd take out a 2.5 and put in the 2.0 engine. The 2.0 engine is far superior and will rev right out the window while the 2.5 is a tough cookie to deal with in comparison.That gear set had a first gear about the same as a second gear in a five speed gearbox ( of which we did not have). The car was built/raced/sold with three 45mm Webers used slick race tires and was fitted with rear disc brakes. Lots of other cute things but I have little memory exactly as at the time, it was under funded and not important in the big scheme of things. But, it was a gas to drive and went like a rocket. One thing I do remember well is that the under two liter Trans Am had become a little bit of bumper car racing so I had the cage built with a 1.75" tubing 4130 bar under the little aluminum face bumpers on the car front and rear and tied into the cage and chassis. The idea being that anyone who ran into that car was in for a shocking surprise. AS I REMEMBER (reminding you all that this was a while back) we did the car with a close ratio TR-4/6 gearbox for I figured the GT-6 box would never stand up to the 210bhp. We did race the car in the Trans-Am about 4 times and also in a few SCCA amateur races. Hopefully this will help answer some questions. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:42:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:42:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211542h58c71652vc1e00b8954b039b8@mail.gmail.com> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:58:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent TR6 crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211558o4f89effahaf7c8e327245a1c5@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, forgot to mention the car ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM Subject: Need a decent crank pulley To: Friends , Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 18:16:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:16:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: Kas... I remember talking about this car with you in your NISSAN paddock at ROAD AMERICA one time. We were looking at a panoramic picture of the 1992 TRIUMPHS at MID-OHIO. I recall the first recollection out of the box was, "I couldn't keep rear axles on that car." Bill Dentinger **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:38:43 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:38:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did Actually, the Vitesse DID have an overdrive option... I have one parked outside which I brought from England with me so I know a little bit about them. Best Regards Lion F Guyot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:50:00 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:50:00 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Bill, et al: > > You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) > from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an > excerpt: > > > Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate > production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. > Add 75 lbs. to official weight. > When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear > > must be lower numerically than 1:1. > Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track > dimension, brake size and type is not changed. > Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. > Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and > all gear ratios are free. > Jack Woehrle > This IS an interesting thread, I am surprised that the Candybox Vitesse is allowed AT ALL, especially with all it's rear axle and rear drive modifications. Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? Just curious. I KNOW one thing, that nasty triumph tune alloy rocker box/valve cover is most certainly NOT original and really spoils the underbonnet authenticity for me, and anyone who knows anything about triumph tune, (lower case deliberate). And, why would anyone want to remove that sweet 2.0L six with it's square 76mm bore and stroke, and replace it with that stroked 2498cc unit in the first place? It is well known that the 2.0L is a better revving and all round nicer unit than the 2.5L unit. (no offence intended to TR6 owners btw) Lion From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 19:10:52 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:52 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans and Trans-Am in 1972. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From srcypher at mac.com Thu Feb 21 19:20:10 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> Message-ID: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I also have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and one TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. 218xxx vs. TKCxxxx) if any? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head there were four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 21:59:22 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:59:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <007701c8750f$b069ebb0$d214c548@RW> That car was legal in every aspect to the regulations at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: > > Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? > > > > That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans > and > Trans-Am in 1972. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 21 23:02:53 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:02:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tire/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <000001c87518$90c6ed40$b1191718@computer> Does anyone know how much tire/wheel clearance there is on the rear tube shock conversion that mounts Konis on a series of right angle gussets on a TR6? The directions state that the clearance should be adequate for up to 205s but I want to use 225s on aftermarket wheels. Thanks, Jim Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 22 06:56:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <49a97cedadab888fab97cabc17c3661d@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 (maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 07:50:43 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:50:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <27859797.2908571203691843525.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> A quick look thry the index of the following 05 issues didn't show an article on headers: Jan, Mar, Apr, May, July, Sept, Nov. that's all the one's I had. Dean T. >From: Allen Washatko >Date: 2008/02/22 Fri AM 07:56:17 CST >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine >FoT, > >Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 >(maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 09:40:59 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 steering shaft to rack connection size Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802220840p7d053176o2bb9fbd544ed4db7@mail.gmail.com> Am about to replace the stock parts with Borgeson shafts and u-joint. Does anyone happen to know the diameter of the shaft and nuber of splines where the shaft jins the steering box? Thanks -- Chuck Arnold From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 22 09:57:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box conversion? I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the top three gears. Larry Young Bill Babcock wrote: > transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the > side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The > toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 22 10:09:50 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and My experience is the GT6 boxes are not up to the task. The 260Z box I use has been trouble free for over 15 years. 100.00 from the junk yard. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:08:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:08:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking at just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I am dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely no resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate tranny and another he can't. I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have one and it will cost you 75#. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 10:38:49 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <001501c87579$c8ec96a0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I agree with Jack. Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time. My 2 cents. John McCue----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cartravel at pobox.com writes: > > Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and > cheap. > > > The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking > at > just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I > am > dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely > no > resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate > tranny and another he can't. > > I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. > > I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have > one and it will cost you 75#. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 22 10:46:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:46:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1B4EE1E6-D66F-424D-876F-173096B1F394@bnj.com> All depends on what you want a gearbox to do. It's true you can still buy TR gearboxes, but they are not all that plentiful. It costs me a lot more than $1000 to build one. the list of known flaws is pretty long. I generally use straight cut gears though I have a Hardy Prentice box that works even better that I'm hoarding. I consider TR gearboxes to require a teardown every season. If you don't they can do expensive things very quickly. Even with all the mods and care I have a straight cut gearbox at Horizon Racing that just needed $2500 in parts to fix it--it had the common problem of breaking the tab that retains the layshaft and reverse shaft when the layshaft bearing starts to go south. My point is not that I'm looking to use a five speed (I'm not) but that a rule that allows a reasonable substitution with a reasonable penalty is a great way to go, and a lot more sensible than a ban. You can convert a toyota five speed for about a thousand bucks, and it's probably the last transmission you'll have to buy, and you'll never learn anything about them because you'll never open the case. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Larry Young wrote: > I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful > and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look > around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or > less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, > you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear > and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box > conversion? > > I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so > they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I > consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. > > In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not > only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, > especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives > (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a > restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not > necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend > to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look > at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and > close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the > top three gears. > Larry Young > > Bill Babcock wrote: >> transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on >> the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". >> The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:56:43 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:56:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 11:04:01 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <000e01c8757d$4e8267b0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Amen, Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net ; cartravel at pobox.com ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Feb 22 17:58:12 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From chasgee at aol.com Fri Feb 22 18:23:18 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mark 1 drum brake backing plates and Spitifre hubs Message-ID: <8CA43D1CE31D3E2-1104-7F0B@webmail-nb14.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, Work and life have been very time consuming lately, so my FOT participation has been very minimal.? I start a new job on Monday that should give me more time to?do the racing thing again.? I've also started to make the?Spitfire rear hubs again, as shown in Kastner's book.? I have a new batch in the works, in case anyone is interested. As a result,?I need to locate some GT6 Mark 1 or late Mark?3 (swing spring)?drum brake backing plates.? Anyone have a set that?they would like to part with? Regards, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing - Spitfire 2007 Kastner Cup 2007 VARA DP?Champion? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From srcypher at mac.com Fri Feb 22 20:19:46 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: <92C4C4BB-B4D9-4DD1-B0B6-A06948A30DB6@mac.com> Hadn't finalized my decision on the pistons yet. You have to deck the block down more; one block I have is already decked for TR6 pistons and has billet caps, so I can't go back on that one; but another is set for .040 stock; So it will likely be yes on one, and no on the other. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:58 PM, fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sat Feb 23 05:12:11 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:12:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 09:13:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:13:34 EST Subject: [Fot] STEEL FLYWWHEELS TR3 TR4 TR6 Message-ID: FOT, I may have an opportunity to provide a number of steel competition flywheels at a reasonable cost. If you have been looking for an opportunity to acquire a steel flywheel, please contact me. I have five spoken for, thus far. These are all TR3/4 Flywheels. If there is sufficient interest in the TR6 flywheels, the engineering is 95% complete on those. Actually it is 100% done, but we want to verify one more critical dimension on the OD of the flywheel (shrink fit for ring gear) Contact me for the particulars: N197tr4 at cs.com Thanks! Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 11:04:36 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c87646$8d4448f0$b1191718@computer> I am running 225/50ZR/15 Kumhos with the old style American Racing wheels and using two spacers. My tire/wheel combo sticks into the wheel well from the face of the drum 4.375 inches. In other words, my current tire/wheel combo measures 5 inches from face of the drum in and the two spacers shim it out .525 inch. Thanks for the input, Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 13:15:34 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression Message-ID: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Hey group, I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom was overpressure in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor which settles as a whiteish foam. The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have to properly vent the valve cover in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the underside of the valve cover. As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect if I change the oil again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When draining the oil there was no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would expect the rings to have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other three. All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression into the crankcase ? Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled .075 and the liners and head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin spots. Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the overpressure and vapor in the crankcase ? Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the viscosity ? Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no smell of coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there is something else I should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 23 14:39:17 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <2796.25914.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi guys thinking of running a dog box for a TR2 any thoughts or information that you can share? Regards Jim Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 15:00:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT @ BEAVERUN JULY 2008 Message-ID: <7BDF0BA0.07B11D0A.00159EE9@cs.com> FOT, BeaveRun FOT event seems like a nice offer from Ralph Steinberg. Is there no one that is able to spreadsheet some names and do a little information coordination? Joe A. Ralph Steinberg wrote: >At 01:51 PM 2/20/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >>Tom, >> >>Thanks for bringing this up. >> >>Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the >>positive aspects. >> >>A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running >>BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great >>destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. >> >>I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would >>enter this event. >> >>However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to >>work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a >>difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I >>think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right >>now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. >> >>Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! >> >>Joe A >> >>>I'm really confused. >>> >>> The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race >>> there because of that. >>> >>> Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much >>> more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. >>> >>> http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm >>> and >>> http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track >>> commentary and video... >>> >>> The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the >>> management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... >>> >>> Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one >>> racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they >>> would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... >>> What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? >>> >>> I'm puzzled... >>>_______________________________________________ > > Hi everyone. > Well I am excited about the prospects of having racing TR's at >Beaver. And yes this track is set up so that a small nimble car can >climb all over a big car in enough places to make for some very >interesting match ups. If you go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click >the vintage race button and then the beaver button there is more >info, links for the auto cross and entry forms > Ralph Steinberg >PVGPA From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 23 16:09:57 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:09:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures of the burned TR3 Message-ID: <20080223231539.VUTT20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I finally brought myself out to the garage today to pull the shroud off the car and start stripping bits off for the process of getting the car back on the road/track. Posted some pictures at the bottom of my DCTRA Members Car Profile http://www.dctra.org/?p=26 Pulled the bonnet, windshield, battery, air cleaners and Crane Ignition. Gonna "shop-vac" out the burnt bits and ash before going further. Need to see about trying to set up a workday (Mar 1 or Mar 22) to see if anyone wants to come help strip the car down. 1. Take both front fenders off and 2. Pull the nose off I had thought about trying to see if the bonnet could be fixed as the metal above the front carb is warped. But on second thought I think I might try to make some "lemonade" and since this is Bob Schaller's old car and Bob was all about modifying the little beasties to make them better (see his book "More BS about TR's) I am now thinking I'll go ahead and cut out the warped metal but instead of welding in a patch I'll instead make a blister in the bonnet with an opening to draw in outside air to the carbs. Once the fenders and nose are off I'll get those pieces and the car reshot as close to the original Primrose Yellow as possible. Splice in new wiring for the front of the car and it should be good to go. While it is getting painted I'll pull the Panasports off to have them media blasted and then powercoated. Anyone on the FOT list have a recommendation for changing the car over to Dual Masters? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 23 16:18:54 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression References: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <001101c87672$761becb0$6402a8c0@HOME> Jim, I suppose a water leak that is disturbing your oil and not seating piston rings. There could be a leak at the bottom of the liners from the figure 8 gasket. Easy to find when you remove the oil pan and have a look there. If the head gasket leaks you can see water in the tappets. Remove the rockers and pull out the push rods if they stand in deep water. Your compression figure is quite low for a racing engine. My worst cylinder has a compression of 220 PSI. The best one 230 PSI. Compression rate of 11,3:1. After honing did you change rings too? I do a violent running in procedure to brake in the rings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression > Hey group, > I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom > was overpressure > in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor > which settles as a whiteish foam. > The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have > to properly vent the valve cover > in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. > Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the > oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. > The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the > underside of the valve cover. > As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect > if I change the oil > again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When > draining the oil there was > no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would > expect the rings to > have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. > My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other > three. > All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. > Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression > into the crankcase ? > Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled > .075 and the liners and > head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. > Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin > spots. > Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the > overpressure and vapor in > the crankcase ? > Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the > viscosity ? > Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no > smell of > coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there > is something else I > should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? > Any advice would be appreciated. > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 18:21:58 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 07:32:00 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:32:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Case Message-ID: Friends, Does anyone have a transmission case for a TR6 that they would like to get rid of? I would prefer the later model type which has additional ribbing reinforcement. Please let me know. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 24 16:56:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <000001c87740$d570c950$b1191718@computer> Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative value (in improving cornering ability) for a TR6 of the following shocks: Koni SPAX KYB Monroe Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From LOddTR at aol.com Sun Feb 24 17:50:30 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:50:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: ____________________________________ On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". ____________________________________ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. _Watch the video on AOL Living._ (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 23:43:45 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <189319.35371.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I have Koni shocks on the rear suspension of my TR-6 autocross car. These shocks are mounted on the old three piece brackets that were available from Moss Motors in 1994. The bracket sticks out from the inner surface of the wheel well by 2.15", which is a little bit further than the upper half of the Koni shock tube. A small amount of tire rub did occur when using the stock aluminum trailing arms and the stock rubber trailing arm bushings. The rubbing stopped when I made my own three link independent rear suspension that uses spherical rod ends and does not move laterally. The rear track width, the back-set of the rims, and the width of the tires did not not change when the stock trailing arms were taken off and the new three link IRS was installed. Minimum clearance between the sidewall of the tire and the tubular shock mounting bracket is currently 1.6", so that means that with the stock setup the sidewall flex plus the lateral suspension motion allowed by the stock rubber bushings consumed the entire clearance. The car was a handful with the stock rear suspension and the back end kept trying to pass the front; with the new IRS it can be thrown around and gathers up gracefully. In retrospect I blame most of the bad characteristics on the soft stock rubber trailing arm bushings. If you are planning to vintage race or autocross your car I first recommend welding gussets to the mounting brackets for the trailing arms to reduce the probability of breakage and then recommend replacing the stock rubber bushings with solid Nylatron bushings. Jim Prettyleaf jim hearn wrote: Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 01:17:15 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <312190.64430.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have 1.6" clearance between the sidewall of 225/45-15 Hoosier autocross tires and the mounting bracket for the Koni shocks at the rear suspension. The 225/45-15 tires are mounted on 8.5" wide Carroll Shelby rims with a 4 bolt by 4.5" bolt circle. The rims and autocross tires are on the car at the moment, so I will not be able to measure the back-set until I rotate the tires just before the next autocross. If I remember correctly the back set on the 8.5" wide rims is 3 and 11/16 inches, which is the same as the 7.0" wide Carroll Shelby rims that carry my 205/50-15 street tires. Jim Prettyleaf HUGHES wrote: Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tr5racer at btinternet.com Mon Feb 25 04:25:02 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:25:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good From neil at revingtontr.com Mon Feb 25 04:29:43 2008 From: neil at revingtontr.com (Neil Revington) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:29:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks In-Reply-To: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Sorry, I forget who asked the original question, hence the round robin We do a very nice Nitron with pin top adjustment. They are a cut above Koni and yards above Spax RTR3633K http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/mainframe.asp?http://www.revingtontr.com /shop/product_display.asp?a=2&mscssid=KSUJT99M9RS92NRV00JP4Q4021E97X00&S iteLanguage=eng&CarType=ALL&PageType=home&ProductID=RTR3633K Cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: 25 February 2008 11:25 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 06:51:54 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c877b5$94d1ea30$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> As a result of our exhaustive, ongoing research into the poignant story of Martha McDougal and her exploits at Standard-Triumph, it has come to light that the rumor of Sir John Black being the butt of her little "fat bastard" joke must certainly have been in error. In fact, Sir John was always in top physical shape and would never have been considered to be fat. Also, he happened to have died many years before Martha retired. We are digging deeper into the records to find out just who the mysterious "fat bastard" was and who actually presided over her retirement ceremony. Hopefully we will be able to shed some light on that at the 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Golden Tennis Shoe awards presentation in April at VIR. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net On Behalf Of LOddTR at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 08:04:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:04:12 EST Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Question TR6 vs. GT6 Message-ID: FOT, I had a question I could not answer. Will a TR6 flywheel fit on the GT6 Crankshaft? Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 08:45:17 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:17 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 09:31:24 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:31:24 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Gary, Congratulations on your successful weekend. Keep The Glen in mind, too. Joe From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Feb 25 09:56:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CAECA94@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That other gentleman was Roger Williams. He has been the go to guy when you need something that you forgot for your LBC for all my time in CVAR, alway willing to help a brother out. Roger teaches Auto Tech in the Houston area and has done so for many years. He was also the founder of the vintage Spec Sprite class. His current school project is an early Spitfire donated to his school by another CVAR member. Roger is looking for an 1147 engine for this project. Ed Barnard may have him fixed up, but I'm not sure, and it is a worthy cause. The kids in Auto Tech courses in Houston typically come from the segment of the student body most likely to drop out and become a drain on society. Ed can chime in and tell me if he has an engine for Roger, but otherwise we are still looking. As for our race weekend, it was great to have Gary down in Texas for the school. His pal, Walt "wrench" Reed, managed to pull and replace the oil cooler during the drivers meeting on a cold Saturday morning in time for Gary to make his school session which was the first group out. I remain impressed, and a bit jealous. I need a chief mechanic too! It's always a good thing when the school paticipants make it through the weekend and run all the laps. We have a new Spitfire that rolled off the trailer for the school, purchased as race ready, only to vibrate with a bent axle at speed. He'll have to do the school next time. With a Gary's TR4, my 4A, Bobby Whiteheads GT6 and Joe Hovey's Spitfire all performing well all weekend we had a nice Triumph showing. If all goes well this Spetember (our next TWS event) we'll have Jim McAndrew's TR3 and Mark Van Lake's TR6 for September and we will have a full display of Triumph vintage race cars. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:45:01 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? -- Chuck Arnold From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 11:46:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Message-ID: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Feb 25 11:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C30DE0.9020502@razzolink.com> Have you tried Pierce Manifolds? www.piercemanifolds.com/products.htm Teriann Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding > the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they > leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush > washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I > usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:17:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com in my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their initial design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 at the wheels is really not too discernible. The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock to provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there > were > discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was > it a > simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Feb 25 12:19:14 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:19:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: I use one on a GT6, and I swear revs come on faster. But that's just me. No it was not a simple bolt on. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/25/08 10:46 AM To "Friends of Triumph" cc Subject [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 12:29:07 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Clutch Choices? Message-ID: <005901c877e4$b0a8a3f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm assembling a new race engine. The NOS Laycock Sheffield (sp?) clutch that I bought to install, a two piece assembly of pressure plate and what looks like a surrounding domed shield that bolts onto the flywheel over it, is several pounds heavier than the AP (Automotive Products) unit that is on the other engine I have. Anybody have any input on failure rates, relative merits, etc? I hate to bolt this really heavy Laycock unit onto the aluminum flywheel I got to reduce weight in exactly the same place, but now I'm wondering if there is a good reason it is so much more substantial than the AP unit. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:02:05 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:02:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear brake cylinders Message-ID: <000d01c877e9$4bfe2010$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> This is for those that are still running rear drums. I was going to rebuild the rear wheel cylinders and found that the kits I have are for a 7/8 cylinder and my cylinders are 0.700. I've got the brake bias set all the way to the front, so I'm wondering if I should drop the rear cylinder size even further. What are you guys running? Thanks Jim Norlin From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:17:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:17:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? Message-ID: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 25 13:51:49 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:51:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c877f0$3dddc6a0$d214c548@RW> Think not just a little power but the ease of rev increase not carrying that oil weight/windage will improve the ET in the top gears especially where you are in the gear longer and the rev increase is slow. Side by side with another duplicate of your car in power and you'll just move away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper >I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com >in > my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their > initial > design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. > So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has > Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 > at > the wheels is really not too discernible. > > The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock > to > provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there >> were >> discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was >> it a >> simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From igofaster at charter.net Mon Feb 25 15:08:01 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FoT @ TWS with CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080225170801.94STK.81382.root@fepweb01> Great to be back sleeping in my own bed. I did it hippie style sleeping in the van. The GT6+ performed flawlessly again. I did run a smaller tire as I was getting tire rub with the 185 60's. The 175 60's worked better. Bobby Whitehead 1970 GT6+ #54 CVAR Group 2 EP From TR4racr at aol.com Mon Feb 25 17:15:38 2008 From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:15:38 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: I plan to attend and look forward to the gala. If you need help with anything please let me know. George Wright **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 17:38:52 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? References: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <022f01c8780f$f67feac0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, according to what I've been told, 2 1/2 psi should be OK. With the regulator just before the carbs. I use a Holley red pump and regulator. Seems to work. Good luck. Bill Tobin Vintage TR6 Erie, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? > If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a > TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 25 22:05:32 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <47C39E1C.2090203@bradakis.com> I've certainly scrapped a few cranks in my day. Oh, you meant scrape, not scrap. Never mind ;-) Weather report is claiming clear skies and temps in the low 50s coming up this weekend here in Utah. I'll be spending some time in the garage dusting off that decrepit squaretail Spit I was driving last year. I'm looking forward to hitting the streets in a Triumph RealSoonNow. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Feb 26 10:20:29 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:20:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a motor oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer This should make life easier for all of us. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 11:39:14 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 Message-ID: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> >From what I can find, these are both non-synthetic (conventional oils). What I cannot find is the ZDDP and Moly content difference. The VV211 is about $5.00 a quart and the VV851 is about $10.00 a quart. The VV851 is "Not Street Legal" whereas the VV211 is "Extreme Performance Level Protection" "with ZDDP". Thanks. Tim Murphy TR4 #317 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 26 12:01:50 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:01:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 In-Reply-To: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web site ? VV851 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf VV211 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer "anti-wear" additives ? Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 13:04:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:04:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web site. The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web > site > ? > > VV851 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf > > VV211 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf > > Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" > claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference > at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer > "anti-wear" additives ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 17:06:14 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:13 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <001e01c878dc$ac1d03a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. Brad Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I should buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and ruin the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race weekend, but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:41 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color to boot. What's not to love? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 20:09:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC><1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001c01c878ee$2a0ace80$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang...there's an interesting article about oil in the March 2008 issue of SCCA Sports Car magazine..page #52////..By the way I'm now useing Mobil Full Synthetic 15/50 in my Spitfire Vintage Racer..... My Friend Ron Chisholm of RM Pacific Motorsports at Infineon informed me that Jay Ivey(noted engine builder) reccomends the mobil, or Redline...also, ..The Porsche 962 Historic Race Cars that Ron does Track support for.. use the Mobil 15/50 full synthetic Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Randall" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web > site. > The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > > >> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web >> site >> ? >> >> VV851 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf >> >> VV211 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf >> >> Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" >> claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional >> difference >> at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer >> "anti-wear" additives ? >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 26 20:44:06 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:44:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: We just purchased 6 cases of Brad Penn at $45/case. With tax, that is less than $4 a quart. Now we have green oil, blue brake fluid and pink coolant! Allen On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color > to boot. What's not to love? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > > To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:59:07 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:59:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil and race motor break in Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802262059s36ae1045t175e98c9e70e2940@mail.gmail.com> I bought a case of Joe Giggs 15W-50 from Hoerr Racing Products for $57 a case. I also ordered some other parts [AN fittings]. Do not know what the threshold was, but shipping was free. They are in IIIinois, I am in Seattle. Bought a case of Brad Penn brake in oil locally to use in the two new motors I am breaking in [one street, one race]. On braking in a race motor: How do you do it -- only place the car can run is on the track. First sessions out will be test and tune, so I can control somewhat the speeds for each 20 minute session. Sure would like some advice in this topic. Chuck On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. > Brad > Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil > and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I > should > buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with > 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and > ruin > the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more > options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race > weekend, > but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 > weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Van Vlack" > To: "Charly Mitchel" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > > JVV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charly Mitchel" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > > > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > >> motor > >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> This should make life easier for all of us. > >> Charly Mitchel > >> TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From REK46 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 12:46:05 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:46:05 EST Subject: [Fot] kas email Message-ID: sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 2598) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 27 13:20:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:20:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] kas email References: Message-ID: <00f801c8797e$3bcbeec0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> kas kastner E-mail Address(es): kaskas at cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] kas email > sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? > > > ************** > Ideas to > please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 > 2598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 15:24:57 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ALERT: Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies Message-ID: Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: AutoWeek To: klynch_6 at msn.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: ALERT: Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies HOME | LATEST NEWS | VEHICLE REVIEWS | RACING | SUBSCRIBE | CLASSIFIEDS Wednesday, February 27, 2008 Boyd Coddington, shown signing an autograph during the SEMA show last October. Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies By Mark Vaughn | 02/27/08, 12:49 pm et Boyd Coddington, the hot-rod innovator whose creations won the coveted Grand National Roadster Show's America's Most Beautiful Roadster (AMBR) trophy a record six times, died Wednesday morning of undisclosed causes. He was 63. Coddington was raised in rural Idaho but moved to Southern California as soon as he could to pursue his dream of building hot rods. He quickly earned a reputation for subtle, stylistic innovations on what had been an almost overdone theme--the '32 Ford roadster. That branched out to '33s, '34s and then all manner of surprising twists on iconic themes. Names such as Boydster, Smoothster, Alumacoupe and Chezoom redefined what a rod could be. His wheels were equally well known, particularly those shaved from billet aluminum. He soon earned the nickname "Billet... CLICK HERE TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the AutoWeek Daily Drive E-mail or to sign up for other AutoWeek e-mail products. IMPORTANT: Please add AutoWeek.com to your E-mail Address Book to ensure you will continue to receive our newsletters. Please DO NOT reply to this e-mail. You will not receive a reply if you use this e-mail address. Crain Communications, 1155 Gratiot Ave. Detroit, MI 48207. From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Feb 28 05:54:36 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:54:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] May 17 - SVRA Message-ID: FoT If anyone is planning to attend the May SVRA event (May 17 -19) at Road America, I have a 30% off coupon for the Osthoff Resort if anyone is interested. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Feb 28 06:15:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:15:33 EST Subject: [Fot] May 17 - SVRA Message-ID: This is a good weekend to use the Osthoff. In the past they have had a "get away weekend package" in May. Good rates for suites and $25 per day coupons for drink and/or food. But you dont get it unless you ask for it........ > FoT > > If anyone is planning to attend the May SVRA event (May 17 -19) at Road > America, I have a 30% off coupon for the Osthoff Resort if anyone is > interested. > > Allen > From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 07:07:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:07:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080228141842.NSAQ17412.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 22:31:49 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List down? Message-ID: <20080229053702.HCSE19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Have not seen any traffic since 7am when I asked that question about HSR West next weekend. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Feb 29 03:06:25 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:06:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil Message-ID: <200802291006.m1TA6aS0405536@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a note to me from a friend in the lube industry. Nice to know that they are aware of our problems, even if the solutions aren't quite available. I think when we beat the drum longly and loudly on lists like this, and get the involvement on folks on this list, good things can actually happen. [813/37] >Jack >For your info >Looks like conoco phillips is stepping to the >plate to sell some racing oil as well >Hope all is well > > >Western Petroleum Company >Dennis Gamble >General Mgr. Lubes >130 Willow Lawn Drive SW >Waverly, IA 50677 >612-801-4166 Cell >800-972-3835 ext 1514 corp office >866-543-1428 Computer fax >319-352-0202 Office >319-352-0505 Office Fax > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: ConocoPhillips Company >To: DENNIS GAMBLE >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:34:59 PM >Subject: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil > > >Lubestream Direct Connect > > > > >February 22, 2008 > >Dear ConocoPhillips Lubricants Marketer, > >As part of our ongoing commitment to identify >and provide you, our valued Marketers, with >products, programs and tools to help you grow >your business, we are pleased to announce that >76 High Performance Motor Oil SAE 20W-50, >Kendall GT-1. High Performance Motor Oil SAE >20W-50 and Phillips TropArtic. Racing Motor Oil >20W-50 will be reformulated. The reformulated >oils will contain a boosted level of zinc >dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP) in order to offer >enhanced wear protection and oxidation >resistance for use in the most demanding >applications. The new formulations will be in >production in all plants by March 1. > >We are confident that the enhanced formulation >will address concerns within the industry about >current ILSAC GF-4 and API SM engine oils and >whether they contain sufficient levels of ZDDP >to protect older engines, especially >high-performance engines with flat-tappet >camshafts. The newly reformulated SAE 20W-50 >viscosity grades of 76 High Performance Motor >Oil, Kendall GT-1. High Performance Motor Oil >and Phillips TropArtic. Racing Motor Oil will >contain approximately 1200 ppm zinc. Higher >levels of ZDDP, which provide antiwear/antiscuff >protection as well as oxidation inhibition, can >help protect these new camshafts during the critical break-in period. > >The reformulated SAE 20W-50 viscosity grades >will continue to provide excellent protection in >gasoline-fueled competition engines, >turbocharged engines, and high-performance >street engines, including those with flat-tappet camshafts. > >Please be sure to share this exciting >reformulation announcement with your customers >who service high-performance racing engines and >stay tuned for announcements about the >availability of this reformulated product. >Please contact your MSR with any questions. > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Phil Sontag >Director of Marketing, Automotive Lubricants > > > >This message was intended for: >dgamble at westernpetro.com >You were added to the system March 14, 2005. For more information >click >here. >Update >your preferences | >Unsub scribe > > uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 29 07:30:21 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080229144216.FBIS28556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Feb 29 08:52:22 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <1261588.221651204300343011.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> I'm planning on going to Cal Speedway for the VARA races the same weekend. VARA races usually have a good turnout of Triumphs. Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2008/02/29 Fri AM 08:30:21 CST >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow >Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am >trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter >as we will be running as a group with them. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 09:32:53 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine Message-ID: <000001c87af0$bc525070$34f6f150$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 29 10:24:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:24:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Feb 29 10:33:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values References: Message-ID: <00e001c87af9$43a87ce0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike Jackson's and mine. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 29 10:52:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:52:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 02/29/2008 11:25:15 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Absolutely...and in spite of some of us. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 11:41:50 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mlcooknj at msn.com Fri Feb 29 12:18:27 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi- Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled to correct it. A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly called a TR4 Hardtop. The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was used to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel top won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The Surrey Top was an extra. This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the car was named and marketed. There, that's off my chest! Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as mlcooknj at msn.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Feb 29 14:12:57 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden tractor..................NUTZ!) Ah for the old days Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SMITH1127 at aol.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 23:14:44 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:14:44 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values References: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> Message-ID: <000801c87a9a$617774b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah. In 1969 or thereabouts I traded a '61 Fiat Abarth 750 for A '62 Ford Falcon Station wagon that burned a quart of oil every 250 miles. The Abarth didn't burn any, but it needed starter motor brushes (again!). Guess it was those super high compression pistons. S. Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell > students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to > drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for > less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE > roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a > car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was > fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden > tractor..................NUTZ!) > > Ah for the old days > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > SMITH1127 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to > go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably > stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the > car. > > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a > clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good > examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From westerneagleracing at att.net Fri Feb 29 16:12:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: <022920082312.10196.47C8915400076529000027D422230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jeff: Autoweek has a 63 TR 4 that sold at auction at Gooding & Co. in Scottdale for $44,000.00. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jeff Snook" > > I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be > crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem > to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from > scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! > > There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike > Jackson's and mine. > > Vroom, vroom, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM > Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > > While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it > rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. > > I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There > are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. > > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Joe A > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about > a > > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see > if > > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, > something > > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > 69 TR6 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 17:58:34 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:58:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Video Message-ID: <000001c87b37$61415b30$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A week or so ago, I finally got around to putting a video of a race between my Spitfire and one of the local Spridgets on You Tube. It's a bit different than most since both of us had in-car cameras and I merged the tapes together so you see the passing from both cars vantage point. The 1275 Sprite had my 1147 on the straights, but I could sure out brake and out handle him. I've got a 1300 now and am really looking forward to the new season. You can see the video at: http://www.youtube.com/user/norlineng From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 20:05:19 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:05:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 2/29/2008 5:25:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spreiss at verizon.net writes: > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Sigh...I still remember paying a local tow outfit $25 to bring me the free TR4 a friend was giving me. Yeah, the body was pretty rusty, but it was an almost fully-optioned car: wire wheels, Michelin X tires, overdrive. Conifer with red interior. Only thing missing from the option list was the hardtop. I parted it out. (This was the mid-1970s....) Actually, I might have made the right decision, since the body literally folded in half when I removed it from the chassis. Still.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Fri Feb 29 20:48:05 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:48:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfire racers Message-ID: I have a few race prepared 1500 cranks from the FP days when my car was raced in the early 90's. 2 of them have a tapered snout, and the woodruff keyway extended out to the nose. The cam gear mounting appears unaffected (still flat) Does anyone have idea what the intent of this taper would have been? Harmonic Damper from another make/model? Cog-belt pulley? I wanted to find out before I went and had something custom made, if there was an off-the shelf component used. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 21:06:07 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 22:01:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <005f01c87b59$50cf2e40$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..If anyone has a gt6 mk2 rh vertical link, please contact Mike at bearranch at mtaonline.net Thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Feb 1 13:15:39 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:15:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances Message-ID: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. you could barely turn the crank by hand. bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, but crank turned freely now. i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. art de armond From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 13:30:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a > reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked > out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. > you could barely turn the crank by hand. > bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) > and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, > but crank turned freely now. > i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from > Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were > junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. > Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Feb 1 14:13:10 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:13:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Measuring an inside bore with an inside mic takes a bit of a "feel". I worked in the machine tool industry for all of my career and there the tolerances are many times in 10,000ths of an inch. Not easy to find "a tenth". Having worked on the assembly floor quite a bit with the inspectors, I really got an appreciation of what it took to measure something even to a thousandth, especially an inside bore. Being an amatuer, I would only trust my measurement to a thousandth on an inside bore with a three (3) point bore gauge. Even that takes a bit of a feel. I think I'd be lucky to get within 0.002 or 0.003 with an inside mic. I once had the task of getting five (5) parts machined on one of the precision machining centers and then getting various dimensions on the parts measured, multiple times for repeatability and accuracy. As I recall, I took the parts to two (2) different CMM's and to a precison plate and height gauge run by our best inspector and still couldn't get acceptable repeatability of the measurements to a thousandth. I finally had to take the parts over to Detroit to a CMM manufacturer who had a million dollar CMM in a temperature and humidity controlled room to get accurate, repeatable measurements. And that was 1968 million dollars. I once rebuilt a Honda 4 cylinder engine and the bearings came in graded sizes of 0.1 MM or about 0.0004 Inch. I used plastigauge and kept running back to the dealer for bearings to get the correct ones on each journal and rod (a very accomadating dealer!). The engine ran for another 100,000 miles and three kids learning/driving/abusing it. Must have been close. Tim Murphy's Law Racing TR-4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "riverside" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. > First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting > lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. > Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an > inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right > thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. > Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely > freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > >> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a >> reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked >> out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. >> you could barely turn the crank by hand. >> bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) >> and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, >> but crank turned freely now. >> i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from >> Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were >> junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. >> Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. >> >> art de armond >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:18:18 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Feb 1 16:42:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it in the legal biz out of habit. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Herrera Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM To: Tim Murphy; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 18:15:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:15:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: FoT, Just got my flow bench numbers today. The machine shop I work with uses a Superflow 600 tester. .100 43 cfm .200 80 .300 108 .400 134 .500 149.3 .550 153.7 .600 147.4 I know that these numbers can vary but I was pleased with our home work bench grinding effort. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:49:23 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:49:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're worthless without that number? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 20:02:52 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:02:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: > Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred> (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed> forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to> be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was> because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling> in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical> notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it> in the legal biz out of habit.> > Scott B. Thanks, Scott. Figgered it was something like that. John H. (Aitch) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:22:38 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:22:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no idea what you are talking about. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're > worthless > without that number? > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? > NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From john at race-dogs.com Fri Feb 1 20:26:00 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:26:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results References: Message-ID: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results >I have no idea what you are talking about. > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >> worthless >> without that number? >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:34:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:34:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> References: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <56444cbe853180ea6317ce2cb6a0dec3@wi.rr.com> The exhaust numbers were; .500 107.5 .600 113.0 Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:26 PM, John W wrote: > Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? > Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- > > John W. > Spitfire #892 DP > 240z CP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Washatko" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results > > >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >>> worthless >>> without that number? >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL >>> Music. >>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >>> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >>> 48) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> Jody & Allen Washatko >> N65 W5567 Columbia Road >> Cedarburg, WI. 53012 >> USA >> >> tel. (262) 375-6888 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. >> http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:38:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> Message-ID: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the depression number is. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Allen Washatko wrote: >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> > > Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to > actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), > so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the > bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that > where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the > bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor gives > an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. > Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the > estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. > > > Something like that. :) > > Cheers. > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:50:29 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:50:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group with what I find. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 23:25:27 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: Modern flowbenches are pretty cool and fairly accurate as far as they go, but I used to really enjoy going to Jerry Branch's shop and watching him use his. His air bench blower source was (as I recall) a 6-71 Jimmy blower and a bodacious electric motor that dimmed the lights on the Pike in Long Beach when he lit it off. On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the > depression number is. > > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> Allen Washatko wrote: >>> I have no idea what you are talking about. >>> Allen >>> >>> >> >> Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to >> actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), >> so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the >> bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that >> where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the >> bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor >> gives >> an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. >> Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the >> estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. >> >> >> Something like that. :) >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 07:35:59 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:35:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802021436.m12Ea7AF270389@ns3.geneseo.net> I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my TR4 if shortened. By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. their site is www.revingtontr.com At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group >with what I find. > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 2 08:41:06 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <20080202154106.CGXR2859.invictus@[209.143.0.77]> > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how accurate they are. Ted > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Date: Sat Feb 2, 9:35 AM > To: Allen Washatko , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Springs > > I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North > Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I > found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. > I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my > TR4 if shortened. > > By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I > needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. > > their site is > > www.revingtontr.com > > At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: > >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going > >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group > >with what I find. > > > >Allen > > > >Allen & Jody Washatko > >1971 TR6 - Number 6 > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 09:11:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:11:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Tutorial 101 Message-ID: <3003b27b2f23849435aad446f49159af@wi.rr.com> FoT, I checked with my machine shop this morning regarding the flow bench depression number. They use 28. Anybody care to comment on what this means in terms of cross comparing readings, accuracy, etc.? Also, what do you look for in comparing the readings for exhaust vs. intake? Is there a ratio you shoot for? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 2 10:55:08 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001301c865c4$bff307b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> > with a three (3) point bore gauge. >I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could >three mean besides 3? With me it's just a carryover from writing engineering reports in the R&D department. They were a little fussy regarding format. Guess I can quit now. Probably goes back to the days when we wrote the reports up by hand and the secretary typed them up; pre-word processor and computer days. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Tim Murphy ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From DSPGTi at aol.com Sat Feb 2 11:38:42 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:38:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never driven the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, I'm sure it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in very good shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you would advise against it, right? So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating them with some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in anything environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and the air here in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the ocean. Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just like some material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component protection. I use that on steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. Any advise or experience you could share with me? Dave Y. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:42:25 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:42:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: It's a combination of precision and adhering to proper style. Formal newspaper style requires that numbers less than ten be written by name rather than number. Newspaper and magazine reporters, who didn't wish to be spanked by their editors, but who refused to crack the AP book of style to double check (claiming exalted professionalism), started writing both in their articles claiming the number in parentheses confirmed the written number and the editor could just delete the superfluous addition (whichever it was). Of course a lot crept through while the editors were digesting their hydraulic sandwiches (generally a beer and a bump, but at the Times it was certainly three martinis). Lawyers and engineers saw them and thought they were cool, and started using the form. Then the military in their stilted attempt to combine accurate communication with impenetrable jargon adopted it immediately. So fundamentally every lazy, trend following, neo-conservative, lefty, commie, militaristic, geek, ambulance chaser in the world does it from time to time. and of course I made all this up on the fly. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:18 PM, John Herrera wrote: > > with a three (3) point bore gauge. > > I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of > legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? > > Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like > three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in > parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" > > Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. > > John H. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:47:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:47:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66CE2D91-19AE-4C98-8B9F-230A8DA60CE8@bnj.com> I'd only use them if you really enjoy surprises. I'd bag them with some desiccant, and perhaps give them a nice coating of the clear coat that they use for protecting travel trailers. It's pretty good protection, but a lot of solvents will take it right off. I bet the eastwood stuff is the same thing with a bigger price tag and a smaller can. Magnesium, and magnesium aluminum alloys do a pretty good job of corroding no matter what you do. On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:38 AM, DSPGTi at aol.com wrote: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on > my TR4. > Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never > driven > the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, > I'm sure > it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in > very good > shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you > would > advise against it, right? > > So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating > them with > some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in > anything > environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and > the air here > in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the > ocean. > Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just > like some > material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component > protection. I use that on > steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. > > Any advise or experience you could share with me? > > Dave Y. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 12:44:16 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs Message-ID: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Good advice from Ted. I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, good quality. Try Ted first. I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to consider. Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with bumps. There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what feels best to my hind end. > > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how > accurate they are. Ted uncle jack From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 13:00:20 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:00:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <28D65283-3A10-4BC6-9487-691968BD37D8@bnj.com> I think you answered that question. If you can't fix the whacky suspension geometry then stiff springs are your only option. Stiff springs and a big anti-roll bar is the prescription. It's pretty easy to fix the geometry if your sanctioning body allows it. stock length or a tiny bit longer upper arms and move the inner pivot point inwards however far you need to get the camber your tires require. Late TR4 lower trunnion and upper arms if you want 3 degrees of caster and a better ball joint setup. Then figure out how to get zero bump steer by hook or by crook. Nothing impossible. if you do that you can use softer than stock springs. Good shocks are a must of course. Suspension isn't just for taking up bumps. Stiff springs and a hard roll bar will affect turn-in negatively, as in: it won't. The contact patches move counter to steering input--unhandy. Personally I like having a car that steers, especially in fast corners. On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing > with bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 2 13:49:37 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000601c865dd$20446470$9001a8c0@richardiipc> Babcock wrote: "..............and of course I made all this up on the fly." Come on Bill. You could have at least used a pant cuff. From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 2 15:30:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction Message-ID: <20080202224057.LOUF20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> FOT and DCTRA Member... >I received a note from Robert Smith, the DCTRA member who has the >distinction of living the furthest from Phoenix. In his note he >mentions that he has been >working with Kruse Auctions to have a collector car auction in >Hawaii. I checked out the website and sure enough it is scheduled >for later this month! Way to go >Robert!! > >Check it out: >http://www.kruse.com/auctions/hawaii08/index.asp > > >I think I will have to pass on attending this one though... > >Jim From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 2 15:49:06 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:49:06 EST Subject: [Fot] In car Camera System & Halon Fire System Message-ID: Thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone had an in car camera system or Halon fire system they were looking to part with. Thanks, Gary Fuqua **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 16:03:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <7ab1530a6e366a2e8db1e279e457d944@wi.rr.com> Jack, I am currently running 585 lbs/in in the rear and 385 lbs/in in the front. Stock geometry, 2 1/2 degrees neg camber in the front, 1 1/2 degrees neg camber in the rear, a 1" front bar and a 7/8" rear bar. Spax shocks in the front and the stock lever arms in the back. The car is very neutral and turns in nicely however, it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least 450 lbs/in or more in the front. I know that a certain amount of body roll helps the car turn in so I want to find a balance between this and understeer. I know that the guys in England run high spring rates all around (600). When I talked to Kas about this he seemed to remember that they were running rear rates close to 700 lbs. Of course, tires were different then. I would be curious to know what others are running? Allen On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with > bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 00:52:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:20:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: Dave Y. asked: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. My advice is to store them AS FAR from the ocean as possible, preferably in the driest part of the continent. The driest in the US is any altitude above 7,000; in southern New Mexico. It just so happens I have a vacant spot in my garage. Seriously, this is not a daft suggestion. When I lived in San Diego near the ocean, my Pantera had mag Campagnolos that I polished. Polished mag is a sight to behold, and is completely different to polished alloy which looks cheap and shallow by comparison. The polished mag had a depth and luster that needs to be seen to be believed. At first, I needed to polish them EVERY weekend - 2 hours of work. In one week, corrosion had started and the wheels lost their gleam. 2 months later, the wheels would look like I'd never cleaned them in 10 years. Sigh. I got sick of that after a while, and opted for the 10-year old look. Remember, San Diego is pretty dry, but I was close to the ocean. There is really not much you can do. I tried wax, I tried WD-40 (suspiciously sounds like the Eastwood product), I tried clear-coat (will not adhere to polished mag). Best bet is a thick coating of wax and bag them with dessicant. You could backfill the bag with nitrogen.... Shane Ingate, its so dry here you could film Lawrence of Arabia, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 2 19:00:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:00:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift References: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <003d01c86608$9d534230$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Steve...It sounds to me like the frame is flexing(what kind of car) ? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Feb 3 02:18:22 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <001d01c86645$b9db6940$6402a8c0@HOME> I had this trouble too at my first race: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front suspension spring rate. At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. Have a look now: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 From: "Steven Preiss" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 13:08:25 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:08:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type Message-ID: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Could anyone please tell me how can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model by looking at it externally? I have the numbers off it if that helps. Some other points are that it has what is now a plugged EGR port and the intake attaches with 3 upper bolts (one for each attaching point) and 6 lower clamps (two at each attaching point). The extreme width of the intake manifold where it attaches to the head is approximately 17.5 inches. Thanks for any help on this. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 13:22:18 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type In-Reply-To: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> References: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47A6227A.4040103@bradakis.com> If it is an EGR port, it is a later head. Also the later heads have the intake ports on 2.2 inch centers, early heads are 1.9. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 3 19:41:17 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction - TR3 Going Up on Auction Message-ID: <20080204025607.QFD20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Here is a note I got from Robert on a TR3 in the upcoming auction in HI. Marty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Feb 2, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction To: martyclark at gmail.com Hey, Marty. One of our consignees, a retired attorney, is going to auction a very early TR3A, commission number TS24762L. It has title and all provenance books and papers, but is completely apart. The engine was professionally rebuilt, but the car is missing it's gear box (I know where there is a fine Triumph gear box near Las Vegas, and the friend of mine that owns it would sell it to a good home. It will bolt right on). Anyway, this may well be a bargain for someone looking to put together a TR3. This attorney is a "spare no expenses" kind of guy, but has just lost interest in the Triumph project car. May make someone a nice project. Finish it correctly, and you've got a $25,000 plus machine! Thanks, if you can spread the word. I will be available by cell phone at 808-342-1036, and I can assist a long distance bidder by phone, as well as assist with shipping arrangements. I have a feeling this car will sell for the value of the engine alone! Aloha, and Mahalo. Robert ______________________________________________________________ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. *********************************************************** Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite http://www.dctra.org for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and Links to other British Car Sites *********************************************************** From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 12:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Found a couple of websites that might help. One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on the mandrel http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. Chuck On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > > > bob, > > did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > > pulley? > > I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > > All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > to making the part a lot less $$$$. > > I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > long after we figured all this out. > > :-( > > I really liked working with that guy. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Chuck Arnold From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:35:31 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi For all on the list that are interested I looked at some crank dampners at the PRI show last year they have a spitfire dampner already and wouild build one for the tr 4 and 6 they are viscus dampers and very very nice in the 300 to 400 range but works of art and the best system to use Rick Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:39:08 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Forgot the contact info Innovators west crank dampners2816 Centennial rd Salina Kansas 67401 785 825 6166 Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 13:09:07 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:09:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Message-ID: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Feb 4 13:50:15 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. Damper only is $600. The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. Worked wonders for my TR6. Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included but available. Regards, Richard Good Good parts Chuck Arnold wrote: >Found a couple of websites that might help. >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on >the mandrel >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > >Chuck > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >> >> >> >>>bob, >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>pulley? >>> >>> >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >> >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >> >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>long after we figured all this out. >> >>:-( >> >>I really liked working with that guy. >> >>rml >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 14:46:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00f001c86777$6cc61870$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> My GT6 has an ATI damper that Randy Lamp adapted to my car, originally designed for a Ford straight six motor. Runs great and smooth. I have a Jones Racing toothed belt pulley bolted on the front that drives the WP and alternator. It is a snug fit in the GT6 - not much clearance to radiator and offset electric fan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 >I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > >>Found a couple of websites that might help. >>One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >>http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 >> >>the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go >>on >>the mandrel >>http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >>The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 >>proposition. >> >>Chuck >> >>On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>bob, >>>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>>pulley? >>>> >>>> >>>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >>> >>>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the >>>key >>>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >>> >>>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>>long after we figured all this out. >>> >>>:-( >>> >>>I really liked working with that guy. >>> >>>rml >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 4 15:39:28 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004501c8677e$cdd35ae0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Richard, could you send me the attached photos of the ATI damper. I very interested in one. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 > I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > > >Found a couple of websites that might help. > >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: > >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > > > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on > >the mandrel > >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd > >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > > > >Chuck > > > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>bob, > >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > >>>pulley? > >>> > >>> > >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > >> > >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. > >> > >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > >>long after we figured all this out. > >> > >>:-( > >> > >>I really liked working with that guy. > >> > >>rml > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mini at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 4 19:13:05 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? In-Reply-To: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000201c8679c$a8485190$6400a8c0@home> Sorry, but these cars have a hard enough time keeping their fluids inside, so I feel the only good way to "revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals" is to replace them. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 08:57:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:57:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <000401c8680f$d2c2d080$b1191718@computer> Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the TR6? Where is the best mounting location? Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 10:14:29 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Tue Feb 5 11:38:54 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (chris at tr4-racing.de) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:38:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift In-Reply-To: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <1867101036-1202236766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-743094880-@bxe003.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> You should think about a welded diff. It made my car a lot faster. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing at att.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 To:"Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] inside wheel lift I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 14:02:42 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:02:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <020520082102.23264.47A8CEF200010C8F00005AE022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jim, I have mine mounted in the tire well in my TR-4A. It makes a nice clean installation that can be securely straped down. I think one of the standard sizes fit so there is no need to special order. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "jim hearn" : -------------- > Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the > TR6? Where is the best mounting location? > > Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name > of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Feb 5 17:06:19 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? Message-ID: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. TIA Jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96.7% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 5 17:29:54 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:29:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? In-Reply-To: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <43619E87-4EBC-44F4-A580-03EE64CBCF4B@bnj.com> Get the floats parallel to the gasket surface and you're in the ballpark. Best way to set them is with the carb assembled and full of gas. Take out the jet and look down the hole with a flashlight. You should see the gasoline right at the cross drilled hole. it helps to blow gently into the tube (don't put your lips on it, just blow downwards gently) to push the gas down and then let it rise again. If it's too high or low you'll see it immediately and you can re-set the float accordingly. On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:06 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic > floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, > from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip > of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. > > TIA > > Jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96.7% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 23:48:14 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters Message-ID: <8B39DA40-3E10-4F62-9CB4-6354DDC60D28@earthlink.net> Hello all, Soliciting feedback on Hoosier Speedsters 205/60/15. I pretty much know what to expect for grip vs. the Hoosier SM's I've been running. Wet &/or street use is what I'm curious about. Anyone put enough street miles on them to know how they wear? Anyone used them as a "rain" race tire? Tried shaving them for dry track use? Anyone dislike them enough that they want to off a used set? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque N.M. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 6 09:29:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] British parts..and THANKS Message-ID: <000e01c868dd$7a6d1750$0302a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I want to say THANKS! to all of you who have been bidding on/buying the Spitfire parts that I have been listing on Ebay.....Well...I just acquired a large quantity of British Car Stuff....Parts, manuals, etc..much of it is NOS...there is way too much to explain here..the listings will start within the hour..the 1st item is a NOS Tr6 Koni shock conversion kit(Moss Motors) Thanks to all of you for helping me 'Revel In Old Car Parts'...Man is this FUN!...Wooohoo! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 my Ebay user name is budscarco From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 10:27:40 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam question Message-ID: <47A9EE0C.3020803@bradakis.com> Here it is February already, just over two weeks before the Beach Party. But to the point, warmer spring weather is not too far away, time to get a Spit on the street. One thing I'll be doing is getting a TSI275 cam for the 1500 motor. My question, however, relates to using this grind in a TR6. Does anyone have experience with it in a street TR6? How does it compare to the Goodparts GP2 cam? We have a customer who needs a new cam for his 6, he may have already talked to Richard about a GP2. What other street grinds for the 6 might folks recommend? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 09:02:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 13:43:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 8 13:54:06 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. I guess I missed that chapter. :-) Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through the cockpit. Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if I go to get my car approved for road racing. > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. Something about the application expanding to utilize all available resources. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 8 13:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:55:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <069DDFCB-DA9B-4798-B531-9DC8A19AF837@bnj.com> Garages are always too small. On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, >> I'll replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used > it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN > fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some > point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:19:32 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:19:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: Message-ID: <000f01c86a98$4d699f00$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Weather it makes scence or not my breaded fuel line runs threw the cockpit on the right side floor from fire wall to fire wall so far (5yrs) the SCCA is ok with it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Shane Ingate" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:46:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA survey Message-ID: <003f01c86a9d$deeea290$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I am trying to answer the current SCCA survey for chooseing a new track to hold the runoff at and can only get to question 5 I can not get past ? # 5 is it me or them thanks rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 15:25:54 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:25:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, I'm using the blue hose and push-on fittings. The only way to remove the hose is to slice the line. Running the gas line through the cockpit is frequent amongst the road racers I know. Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it > for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point > if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 15:54:12 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: SCCA Needs Your Input Message-ID: <006401c86aa5$8652caa0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> tHIS IS IT rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Ozment To: 19to1tr6 at COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:07 AM Subject: SCCA Needs Your Input SCCA is conducting a survey of all Nationally-licensed drivers regarding the future location of the SCCA National Championship Runoffs. The results of this survey will be taken into serious consideration in determining future venues for the Runoffs. This is an event to crown the driver champions, so your input is of extreme importance. Your answers will be counted and you will not receive another version of this survey, so please answer honestly. Please fill it out as soon as it is convenient. Thank you for taking the time to help us improve your racing program. Terry Ozment SCCA VP, Club Racing http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=U28MCWUHWZB2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- OPT OUT | Learn More If you do not wish to receive further surveys from this sender, click the link below. Zoomerang will permanently remove you from this sender's mailing list. I do not want to receive any more surveys and emails from this sender. From westerneagleracing at att.net Fri Feb 8 17:22:52 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Shane, I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my mind it is a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 8 17:44:14 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to hurt the line. Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now I've jinxed myself. - Tony At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >related question: > >What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > >Thanks again, Jim >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Feb 8 18:10:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:10:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <016301c86ab8$801ab5e0$d214c548@RW> No jinx. That is how you do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 18:29:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar moment of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver about rotation. ;) Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance noticeably over the stock location over the axle. Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, in NM From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 Shane, I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my mind it is a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 19:57:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Polar Moment of Inertia = Big Lever Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Ron, > > Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar > moment > of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver > about > rotation. ;) > > Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance > noticeably over > the > stock location over the axle. > > Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, > in NM > From: westerneagleracing at att.net > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to > the > TR6? > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > Shane, > I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well > as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my > mind it is > a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. > Ron Jacobs > Western > Eagle Racing > > -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : > -------------- > > >> Jim Hearn asked: >> >>> What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the >>> car? >>> Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >> I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons >> is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal >> location >> as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is >> LOW. >> >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. >> >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Climb to the top > of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star >> power. >> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx? >> icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, > we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 07:47:42 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001701c86b2a$ba61f700$0200a8c0@Desktop> Why use aeroquip, why not Kevlar line it will not conduct electric Pass it thru aluminum tubing in cockpit Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 08:57:39 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:57:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to fuel spills. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 09:46:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5A450865-1704-49BA-97D7-0C685DD0CEBF@bnj.com> You're pretty relaxed about this stuff, eh? Or maybe your tongue is stuck firmly in one cheek? That's about a hundred pounds of variable weight, stuck in the very back of the car, sloshing around. I think that's a great idea for the Porsche drivers. On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Gasket Works USA wrote: > I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. > Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure > to fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From malaboge at aol.com Sat Feb 9 09:47:25 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:47:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <8CA3952951B98E1-1168-71A2@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com> Jim- Dash 6 AN all the way. Inside the car to keep the lines away from the "rough stuff". Double pumps and big fuel filter, regulator at the fire wall. Known to race "agricultrually" from time to time... ?????????????? Nick in Nor Cal ???????? -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 8:02 am Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 9 10:07:53 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:07:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> To keep a consistent performance the weight and location should be as close as possible equal each time on the track. Why lug around extra gasoline and reduce your acceleration and braking. Take the time to test properly what your mileage is on the track then do the math for every on-track period. It was my habit when installing a fuel cell to make a "fuel stick" at the first filling. In most cases you need to cut a 2" square the depth of the foam so the fuel stick can be positioned without touching the foam. Then pour a half gallon into the dry bladder and mark the stick, another half gallon and mark the stick. I would then transfer the marked distances to a piece of thin wall conduit and make the marks with a tubing cutter so the mark was inscribed into the tube. With this preparation you always know what you used for a given number of laps and what is remaining in the tank. The fuel stick had a secure spot in the trunk area so there were never any excuses about "who lost the stick? or why it was still back in the shop". Consistent weight gives a much better chance of consistent performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" Cc: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? >I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. >Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to > fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:35:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 EST Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph Message-ID: FoT: This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen in September. Regards, Joe Alexander > Joe, > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > to BeaveRun. > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > class all weekend. > Ralph Steinberg > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 9 11:44:08 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:44:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <20080209184411.AF600187658@autox.team.net> I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:52:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:52:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Fuel Tanks and Size Matters Message-ID: > I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to > run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely > full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. > > - Tony > Yup, I have a 10 gallon cell and it requires added fuel in a one hour enduro at Road America. Of course I have run out of fuel twice, even though I knew that. :-) My 10 gallon tank does fit nicely between chassis members, so it can be lowered further than the trunk bottom. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:29:03 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <004f01c86b5a$69ce1000$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 13:51:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:51:35 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: Racer Bud, This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in 2009 with a car. It is not too early to promote an event. Joe Alexander > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:53:13 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:53:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: Dear FOT, About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmissi on back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands, the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that th e only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least this clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:22:53 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:22:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG TRIUMPH EVENT... Message-ID: <004201c86b59$8ce52cf0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi CSRG Board of Directors/Officers..will you please present to the board the idea of having Triumph as a featured Marque at one of our races..probably in 2009 to allow enough time for planning... The general idea would be to attract as many Triumphs, and Triumph Powered cars as possible..and we would allow Triumphs newer than 1967(Spitfire..Tr6..TR7..TR8, etc) for this special event..considering the Enthusiasm of the FOT(Friends of Triumph), I am quite sure that we could easily fill a grid with Triumph/Triumph Powered Racers. Thanks, Bud DeLauer..Spitfire #21......Racer Bud From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:35:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:35:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: You're scaring the hell out of me since I just bought a new one! 7.25"? What car is it in? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:46:46 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:46:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 1) Message-ID: Dear FOT, (The moderator monster refused to let my dissertation go through. I will try to send it in two chapters.) About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmission back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that the only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. (Continue to Chapter 2)


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(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:47:25 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:47:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) Message-ID: (Start with Chapter 1) I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least the clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 9 14:56:44 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel cylinders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c86b66$a98c9ca0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> I am in the process of re-building my weeping TR-6 boosted master cylinder in my TR-4. I'll also install braided brake lines just for fun. So my question is, do any of you guys rebuild wheel cylinders that don't leak? Mine are 10 years old with about 35 races. In terms of reliability and function, their history has been exemplary. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 15:32:14 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Marty > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 21:41:26 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:41:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph References: Message-ID: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get confused! Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy laps. And the passengers love it. Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Feb 9 22:07:47 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:07:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Party time! Message-ID: <47AE86A3.8000902@bradakis.com> Yikes, well into February and finally getting around to an announcement about the annual Fat Chance Garage Beach Party. Coming right up, the festivities are planned for Saturday evening, Feb. 23rd, starting about 7 pm. While years past have often seen a unifying theme of some sort to the gathering, this year you are on your own for inspiration. Head down to the thrift store for that perfectly tacky, shapeless, floral motif garment. Grab some garish shades at the dollar store, dig out that floppy old sun hat you'd swear you'd never wear in public and prep yourself for a grand old time once again. Don't worry, there won't be a Beach Boys karaoke contest - at least not THIS year! As usual, bring a potluck dish of some sort to share if so inclined, adult beverages and whatever special soft drinks the kids want. Who knows what the weather will be like that evening, but maybe we'll provide some slow smoked pulled pork, or brisket, or perhaps a pot of chicken-habanero chili. We shall see. What: Annual Beach Party When: Saturday, February 23rd, 7pm Where: 739 Park Street ( 739 south, 540 east, Salt Lake City ) Who: You and anyone else who desires to attend Why: To have some fun! Web: http://bradakis.com/Beach See you there! mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 09:12:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:12:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell Message-ID: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun Feb 10 12:03:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <002e01c86c17$b074c770$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey Jim, I have an ATL (I think) fuel cell with a fuel sender installed and hooked it up to my original TR3 fuel gauge. Got tired of the stick thing. Works great when sitting in the paddock, but reads pretty funky when on the track! Sorry I don't know anything about the ohms. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Feb 10 14:16:35 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:16:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Feb 10 16:47:48 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:47:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002d01c86c3f$57a527c0$6401a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> I had the same experience this summer on my TR6. I have a "Weird hitch in my giddy up" (yes I'm from Texas) that I must screw something up first and read directions only as a last resort. The Tilton website has instructions for the clutch and throwout bearing that you should read before you try to use their setup. The clutch pedal stop is a must to keep from over stroking the clutch. Mine works like a charm now. Now it's onto screwing something else up, Mike -----Original Message----- Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 10 20:01:01 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:01:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Walter Hollowell Message-ID: I've been trying to contact Walter Hollowell but have had no response for some time. Anybody been in touch with Walter? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From britbits at tiu.net Sun Feb 10 21:26:09 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Message-ID: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV block FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. A quote from the gent: "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It only stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a difference in group racing." Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal meth lab? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM 1500 autocrosser and too many other toys ;) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 10 21:35:00 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:35:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 22:12:04 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:12:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <841573.67699.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I've got an FK motor sitting in my garage that I won't take any amount of money for; mainly because I haven't been able to find anyone to give me any money for it. Ernie Charly Mitchel wrote: Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 10 23:37:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <004501c86c78$a3b4a760$0202a8c0@newcomputer> FP motor eh? I gave one of those away rather than have an engine that was previously in am MG anywhere close to one of my Spits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:35 PM To: Jim; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 06:47:35 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 05:32 PM 2/9/2008, marty sukey wrote: >In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same >weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. > >Marty Marty, We run three days of vintage racing with Friday being a test and tune day and on Saturday and Sunday we also have a lively Auto Cross event going on. If you join in the auto cross festivities you will also become part of the Vintage Weekend and can partake of the festivities offered to driver and crews Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun > >---------- > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to > refuse if there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning > to run this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. > It's good business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the > Triumph Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up > for the Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >---------- >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! >Learn more. From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 23:23:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:23:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. Had a blast there too. We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:41 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a > great > time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good > paddock, clean > rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I > think > the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get > confused! > Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. > If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the > charity > rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race > car. (The > 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a > few easy > laps. And the passengers love it. > Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me > know. > And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of > Triumph > > >> FoT: >> >> This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to >> refuse if > there >> are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars > might >> be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no >> guarantees here. >> >> Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, >> below. We >> would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning >> to run > this >> event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's >> good > business, >> for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. >> >> There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph > Marque >> to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up >> for the > Glen >> in September. >> >> Regards, Joe Alexander >> >> >>> Joe, >>> Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars >>> to BeaveRun. >>> Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! >>> What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or >>> so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race >>> groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will >>> cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest >>> V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. >>> On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We >>> can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special >>> parking >>> for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. >>> If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that >>> are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only >>> class all weekend. >>> Ralph Steinberg >>> PVGPA Director of Competition >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:29:21 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 01:23 AM 2/10/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the >folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore >guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world >class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. >Had a blast there too. > >We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks >were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars >available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four >wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, >and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well >for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars >in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the >acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is >something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy >had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty >sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. > >A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around >Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. > > Ah, one of my fondest memories is of you standing in your car in an elegant Tuxedo as we did a photo shoot of American Specials on the false grid. Now if you would have run the Bentley around the track in that same suit all we would have needed is a black helicopter to pop in over the hills and we could imagine Bond, James Bond, behind the wheel. Thanks for coming Ralph Steinberg From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:24:24 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 11:41 PM 2/9/2008, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: >Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great >time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean >rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think >the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get >confused! >Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. >If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity >rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The >427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy >laps. And the passengers love it. >Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. >And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. >Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM >Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > Thank you Bill for your endorsement of our event. Let me fill you all in with a little more history of the PVGPA and BeaveRun in particular. The PVGPA started 25 years ago when a group of crazy people decided a neat way to help some people who could really use some help (our Charities the Autism Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny School) and have a blast doing it would be to have a street race through Schenley Park. Well some how or another it happened and we have been working on it ever since. I cam to my first event in 1990 working on Dave Milling's SS 100 Jaguar. A year or two later I raced that same car on the streets of Pittsburgh and have been hooked or ever. Some where along the line John Jacobson shanghaied me into helping him with the event. He was the VSCCA Chairmen of the event and under his careful eye it grew into a world class event attracting cars from all over United States and from across the pond. The real brains and driving force behind the entire event is Mike Connolly who gives himself completely to this event. He has marshalled and cajoled the city and its recourses behind this event and has put together an army of passionate workers, who I may add work for no more than lunch! Well between Mike and Jake I got hooked on the real reason of this event, our charities and the great people who either by bringing out their cars or volunteering or coming to watch make this the most unique vintage racing event in the world. One day, much to my surprise I became the VSCCA chairperson of the Vintage Race at Schenley Park and during this time Mike and I came up with the concept of the Historic Races at BeaveRun. Mike had already grew the event into a week long combination of car shows, cruising nights and a small rally that all ended with the Grand Prix. So what better way to add to this event than to start of with Historic Races at a venue where we could show off all of the cars that can not run the small tight course of the Grand prix or for what ever reasons did not meet the requirements of the VSCCA. Well 5 years ago (this will be our fifth) Mike and I opened up the Historic Races at BeaveRun. That first year was almost a heartbreaker. I think we managed to come up with about 45 cars, though they had an inkling of what was to come since if I remember correctly we ran the gamut from a few old Jags and an Abarth or two to GT40 and Cobras! The following year the VRG came on board and with it the expertise of Mark Plamer who many of you may know from MGVR or the Chair of the Turkey Bowl. We have not looked back. My wife, Candy, has pretty much stopped racing but has taken over many of the things that need to be done to keep the event going. Like making sure I know where I am and remember to eat and such. She also runs the Charity rides and to make it even more impressive she charges $10 per ride and in two 45 minute sessions each day (Saturday & Sunday) she raised $3000.00 with the help of all of our drivers and volunteers. And I am never sure who has a bigger grin on their face the driver or the little kid who just did his first lap in a race car! Over the 25 years that the PVGPA has been in operation we have handed close to 2.5 million dollars to our charities. And no that is not raised but what we have given them after the track is paid for, the streets cleaned up, the rescue people paid for and the last light turned out. So I want you to come on out and race or auto cross or just show off your car and watch at one of the best vintage events anywhere in the world. And you get the nice feeling of helping others that need our help right here at home. Did I mention that you do not even make your check out to the VRG but to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association, a fully tax deduct able organization. So come on out Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if >there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars >might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run >this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good >business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph >Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the >Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Feb 11 00:46:20 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:46:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] roller rockers from TS auto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080211074619.YAI8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Chasing Ted to buy some roller rockers. Is this the correct email for him???? Ted Schumacher [tedtsimx at bright.net] If you happen to be reading this Ted, please contact me . thanks Terry O'Beirne From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 11 08:01:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 08:44:22 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:44:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <748227.94680.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, the FM block is from the 1500, and it doesn't always have the best reputation. The FK and FH(?) blocks are the MK IV blocks, so neither one has the big journals. ISTR that the MK 3 id the desirable block. Doug Mitchell --- Charly Mitchel wrote: > Yes, by all means report him. > BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're > interested. I also have the more > desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought > after FP motors. > I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing > to part with them for a > fraction of the actual value. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the > winter boredom > > > > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a > '71 Spitfire MK IV > > block > > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. > It's interesting as he's > > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, > complete and running. > > > > A quote from the gent: > > > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to > me by a group 44 driver > > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's > large journals and the > > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh > race modifications. It > > only > > stands to reason that the mods to the block for > that one year made a > > difference in group racing." > > > > Should I contact the local police department so > they can raid his crystal > > meth lab? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim > > Dallas > > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > > and too many other toys ;) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu Mon Feb 11 10:18:57 2008 From: jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu (jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <380-220082111171857683@M2W039.mail2web.com> Bob, Are you aware that the Toledo Pro Solo just happens to be the weekend prior to the PVGP? Hitting up two events while you are out this way might make that haul easier to justify......or a lot harder....either way, I think its a great idea. Jason Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Lang lang at isis.mit.edu Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) To: trmarty at hotmail.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 11 18:11:08 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> It bounced the first time so here it is again! JVV > FOT, > I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. > > Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent track > time too. > > One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the > Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western > Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have been > doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for the year > and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't get a > better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our > contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well and we > are proud to be a part of the event every year. > > It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not enjoy > Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. > > Jerry Van Vlack > > PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the > Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh stop > by and see us at Watkins Glen. From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 11 22:09:33 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:09:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track >> time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been >> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year >> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >> get a >> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >> and we >> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy >> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >> Pittsburgh stop >> by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 12 08:29:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the FriendsofTriumph Message-ID: <3B856842.7A181A04.00159EE9@cs.com> EXACTLY! I have attended twice. In addition to having good friends in the area, the beauty of city is exciting. And there is a great enthusiasm. Long term events like this wont last without a lot of folks behind it. >I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg >is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. >Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all >adults--hard to do. >On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > >> It bounced the first time so here it is again! >> JVV >> >> >>> FOT, >>> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >>> >>> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >>> track >>> time too. >>> >>> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >>> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >>> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >>> been >>> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >>> the year >>> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >>> get a >>> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >>> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >>> and we >>> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >>> >>> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >>> enjoy >>> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >>> >>> Jerry Van Vlack >>> >>> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >>> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >>> Pittsburgh stop >>> by and see us at Watkins Glen. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Feb 12 09:59:31 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:59:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: 23 years ago I attended my fist PVGP and fell in love with Vintage Racing because of it. So I returned for the 25 th PVGP races last summer and enjoyed every moment. Can not say enough about it, a world class event that is right up there with the best, Monterey Historic, BRIC @ Road America and even Goodwood Festival of Speed ( been to all of them several times also). A must attend lifetime event! Bill Redinger -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Ralph Steinberg; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You >> can't get a better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the >> races. Our contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant >> as well and we are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh >> stop by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 10:20:45 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: Aw heck, some of us are easier than others. But I don't cut the grass. Marty > Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all > adults--hard to do.> On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 12 17:31:19 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell In-Reply-To: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I would quite happy with a > relative reading > (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this > gauge will work > but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience > with this sort of > thing. If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It expects 0 to be full. Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Feb 12 17:47:16 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing Message-ID: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better way to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will refresh current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the information they need to hit the track running and get involved in Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other FREE STUFF as well. Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical things you can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 12 17:50:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:50:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004201c86dda$7369a2a0$d214c548@RW> You can guess at the compression ratio, guess at the tire pressures, why not guess on the gas supply? The first two guesses probably won't leave you stranded out on the course, but the last one can, easily.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'jim hearn'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell >> I would quite happy with a >> relative reading >> (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this >> gauge will work >> but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience >> with this sort of >> thing. > > If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It > expects 0 to be full. > > Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... > meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. > > One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 12 23:10:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:10:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:47 PM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's > time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better > way > to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! > Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & > Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by > replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. > > This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will > refresh > current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the > information they need to hit the track running and get involved in > Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an > organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other > FREE > STUFF as well. > > Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & > personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire > extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical > things you > can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! > > Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 05:56:23 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> Message-ID: > actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. I'm sure all that sun and mild temps are a trial... If you would like, I can see if I could box up some of our +9F and flurries to send to you. The only problem with shipping weather it would most likely spoil... you'd open up a box of mild temps and sun. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 13 19:55:08 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted In-Reply-To: <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> References: <20080213211126.e1n3y1kkq8soo0c0@webmail.triumphspitfire.com> <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <0D273D76-31A0-4C14-BE2C-39234611F8F9@mac.com> Over on the NASS list, this was posted, and I contacted Howard regarding what he was looking for. I offered to post on the FOT in case there were any budding writers among us. If the PDF file doesn't show, let me know off-list and I will forward it to you.... ----------------- Subject: Re: Hi Scott, I edit the Spit/GT6 magazine, and this next issue I am trying to focus on racing. So I am looking for anyone that is willing to write about their passion of racing Spits or GT6s. If you or others would be interested, get back to me. I am looking to talk with anyone that does race or has raced Spitfires &/or GT6s, whether in the early days, or in recent SCCA, VDCA, etc., track type venues. Please contact me offlist and I will explain more. bauguesh at ... bauguesh [at] verizon.net or howard at ... howard [at] triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard Baugues NASS#1 Indiana Editor - Spitfire & GT6 magazine www.triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard PS: I have attached a copy of the upcoming issue's cover draft. Car owned & built by Tim Slater of W. Palm Beach, FL. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:47:35 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:47:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR6/GT6 solid rocker spacer kit Message-ID: Ok sometimes I have moments that don't quite make sense. I apparently ordered a solid rocker spacer kit for the TR6/GT6 during my last parts ordering round. So, rather than chop them or machine them I have one set of solid rocker spacers, new and unused for a TR6/Gt6 for sale. TriumphTune P/N TT1218 or Victoria British p/n 1-9518 $49.95 in the VB catalogue and #25 from TT... $50 bucks includes shipping via priority mail...hopefully someone wants them. aaron From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:51:26 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SCCA National Races March 29/30 St. Louis, MO Message-ID: For those of you who are interested: March 29 and 30th is the first SCCA National of the Midwest Division for the Season. The event is at Gateway International Raceway in St. Louis (actually in East St. Louis, IL). I have a few crew passes available if anyone would like to help. I like the track and I got my first National win here last year, hopefully I can continue the trend with the updated engine and other goodies that have been worked on over the winter. Contact me if you are interested in helping out, or just want to come by and check things out. aaron From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 14 12:29:26 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted Message-ID: Spitfire story tellers wanted? Isn't that like asking for fishing stories? "Ya shoulda seen...." Shane Ingate, getting punchy after reviewing LANL proposals for a week, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From DennisR380 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:41:43 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Feb 14 12:44:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Feb 14 13:14:05 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will have on preferable toe. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string > the car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Feb 14 13:19:54 2008 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:19:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: Message-ID: <002301c86f46$f682a4d0$6a00000a@Dave> Probably largely a factor of what kind of differential you are running. With a welded diff (which wants to keep driving you straight) sometimes a bit more toe out will help reduce the push on corner turn-in, but with limited slips or open diff's the number should be able to be smaller. I've always assumed that the less scrub the better - all other things being equal. Obviously, your driving style has a large bearing on this question as well, although the nice thing about front toe is that you can easily play with it at the track and test it for both comfort and lap times, which are not always in agreement. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:21:24 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jeff_durant at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:48:10 2008 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821954109-1203022280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-989967390-@bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Dennis, I would recommend a 1/16th to 1/8th inch toe in. My TR6 runs a Detroit Locker and I've found with toe out it wanders at speed. Not so with toe in. Front camber is set to -1.0. degrees. Jeff D. #12 TR6 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Feb 14 14:05:25 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:05:25 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: It should be easy to get cars from SoCal. Are we talking about Laguna Seca, Thunderhill or Sears? Makes a difference, especially with the noise issues up there. Put me as a tentative yes with the GT6. In a message dated 2/14/2008 12:22:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 14 15:13:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c86f56$d5d9f200$d214c548@RW> The thing I learned from designer Trevor Harris, make CERTAIN that you did not pass from toe-in to toe-out or the other way around.. This can happen easily during hard braking if the bump-steer is not correct. If it crosses over for in to out, lots of times you need three lanes to make a one lane stop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg - Lunker Hilyer" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a > circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some > theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a > handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - > very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. > Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will > have on preferable toe. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > >> I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string >> the car to >> set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how >> much total >> front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual >> but there are >> no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total >> toe-out...or? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ************** >> The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the >> Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Feb 14 15:21:17 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:21:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 14 15:35:02 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:35:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> I like none, but that's me. On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 00:40:10 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:40:10 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801c86edc$d43a2520$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I think toe in is desirable if you want the car to center itself and be easy to steer. Perhaps if you were running the 24 Hours of LeMans, this would have proven a good choice. If you are on a tight course with lots of switchbacks and elevation changes this would seem less desirable. There are after all an infinite number of variables that must be dealt with on any course, with the possibility also of a preponderance of any combination of these variables. It seems from other discussions that with plenty of caster, negative camber and an aggressive sway bar, you would give away some ability to dig in under hard cornering if you were toed in. It's going to be the outer wheel that is doing vast majority of the work, and it's orientation relative to the inner wheel would be of reduced importance. Perhaps when turning in the inner wheel would actually be working counter to the outer wheel? Of course all this must be affected by the amount of available suspension travel, body roll rate, tire adhesion, front to rear weight bias, type of rear end setup, amount of available power, etc. That must be why it is a worthwhile and necessary investment to introduce as many ways to adjust geometry as possible, and to spend long hours in many different settings recording and analyzing the effects of various combinations. I believe this is referred to as road testing, and must make the difference between a racecar that can be driven fast, and one that can be driven fast on any track, and win a series. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > I like none, but that's me. > On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > > > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > > car to > > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > > much total > > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > > but there are > > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > > toe-out...or? > > > > Dennis > > > > > > ************** > > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 16:53:47 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c86f64$d7bdc4d0$0200a8c0@hal9000> I'll come out from Colorado, no problem. Jim G TR4 # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:21 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California > in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of > > directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Fri Feb 15 01:15:25 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <008001c86faa$eb387b90$6402a8c0@HOME> As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Fri Feb 15 12:37:45 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph Event 2009 Message-ID: <021520081937.28318.47B5EA08000D64BD00006E9E22070208530E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> Folks: I'd be pleased to attend a CSRG event in CA with TR a featured mark. Perhaps we could get other WA and OR folks to join in, I.E. Peyote, Charlie Mitchel's TR6, Jeff Quick with his original Cal Auto TR4A, Mark York's TR3, etc.. John James From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:00:13 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Amici, My comments apply to a mostly stock street TR6 with open-diff. I did a lot of testing on auto-X and hill-climbs: Front and rear toe to 1/8. Front camber to -1 degree. Rear camber to - 2 degrees. Stock caster. This gave me great turn-in, rock-solid steering at all speeds and under brakes. I had no bump-steer. This set-up gave me smile that the Pantera could not match, and so made me sell that monster. All bets are off now with the LSD, 300 less pounds and new corner weights as I have zero time on the track. YMMV. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 16 19:21:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:21:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] triumph race Message-ID: <028901c8710b$d954a040$0202a8c0@Bud> 1st phase of having a CSRG Triumph/triumph powered Race...If approved, the venue will be Thunderhill Park, owned and operated by The San francisco region SCCA..Thunderhill is in Willows California..on interstate 5 about 2 hours 15 minutes tow from san francisco..Thunderhill is a 15 turn(approx 2.8 mile) track with lots of runoff area..similiar to the tracks of the old days..guard rail and k wall is almost non existant..it is of course used along the front straight to seperate the pits from the track..the track surface is always kept in excellent condition, as it is used virtually every day...The logical time to hold the triumph race will be at the Spring CSRG event..late april or Early May. There are lots of reasonable hotel accomodations at Thunderhill..I usually pay about 63.00 per night at the Best Western Golden Pheasant, which has lawn backing up to rear doors of most all rooms, and 2 large swimming pools with nice lounging areas..There is an Amerihost next door..the price is about the same..There are also motel 6..and Super 8, at lower rates...Thunderhill Raceway Park's website is www.thunderhill.com So far We have 10 commitments, 8 of which are firm..I also have not heard from Bill Babcock..as my direct email to him gets bounced.....Things are moving forward here..We should let the Morgan Gang know about this stuff. Thanks Friends Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 17 19:12:09 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher In Hemmings Message-ID: <001401c871d3$aae4ab10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Nice article by our own Ted Schumacher in this month's Hemmings on page 46 - the March issue with the red Ford pick-up on the cover. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 09:27:42 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:27:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: <20080217163708.VUMM9710.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Very cool... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/automobiles/collectibles/17contest.html GAVIN RHODES was surprised that his black 1959 Triumph TR3A won the Collectible Car of the Year contest on nytimes.com. At a time when American muscle cars have become treasured icons and Italian sports cars are, well, Italian sports cars, Mr. Rhodes, 33, didnt think his froggish little roadster stood a chance. I was up against a Ferrari, he said, adding that the contest really represented the whole spectrum of classic cars. Some people use them every day. Other people have several million-dollar cars that are trucked around from show to show. I was amazed. A total of 558 cars were entered in the contest, and 4,500 votes were cast by readers of nytimes.com for the 30 finalists, which had been chosen by the staff of the Automobiles section in November. As winner, Mr. Rhodes will receive $5,000 and a trophy; the other finalists will receive a prize package valued at $50 and passes to the New York International Auto Show in March. The outcome of the competition revealed an automotive counterculture of sorts: the enduring affection for classic British sports cars, warts and all. And there were warts, including a weakness for rust and glitchy electronics. Like all but a handful of British carmakers, Triumph passed through several owners; ultimately, it kicked the can in 1984. Today, BMW owns the rights to build cars under the Triumph name, while a private company with no relationship to BMW or the original owner sells Triumph sport motorcycles that look like anime robots. The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. His first was a 16th-birthday gift from his father, Jim, a gearhead with his own crazy way of souping up old cars. Past projects included a 1959 Jaguar Mark I sedan that used a Buick V-6, and a 1932 Ford pickup with a Corvette engine. Mr. Rhodes recalls that the first car he drove to high school was a Sunbeam Tiger, a British roadster powered by a factory-installed Ford V-8. There was a coolness factor, Mr. Rhodes said about driving his fathers cars, but his birthday present was, he felt, more of a loaded present. It was a wrecked car, he explained. It had like mice in the trunk. It meant so many weekends with my dad, working on it. As a teenager, you have some tension with your father - it was a bittersweet gift. It took them two years to restore the car. They painted it a bright canary yellow and even installed a few aftermarket parts, including a racing seat with a four-point safety harness. It ended up keeping Mr. Rhodes from being seriously injured. Four months after finishing the car, Mr. Rhodes collided with a drunken driver. I T-boned him, luckily, he said. Had he arrived at the intersection a second later, the drunken driver would have hit the TR3s flimsy drivers side door. The seat kept him from being thrown around inside the car. Mr. Rhodes and his father found a replacement TR3 that was in better condition than the yellow car. A year and a few setbacks later, they finished the second car, the summer before Mr. Rhodess senior year of high school. Today he lives in Brooklyn, where he and his wife, Michelle McDevitt, own Audible Treats, a music promotion and marketing company. But the heady price of nearby garages - around $300 a month, Mr. Rhodes said - means that the Triumph is still at his fathers house in New Mexico. He said he returned two or three times a year to drive the car and keep it in running order, but he was looking for an affordable way to keep the TR3A closer to home. Recently, he made a post on Craigslist. Looking for classic car philanthropist or enthusiast who has an extra garage, he said he wrote. So far, Ive gotten no reply. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 21:11:13 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:11:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> /fighting words on Compared to the refrigerator boxes with wheels that the later TR's resembled I would certainly say that our swoopy, flowing fendered TR's that allow us to drag our knuckles certainly evoke a more elegant profile. /fighting words off At 09:07 PM 2/17/2008, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/17/2008 10:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't get me wrong, as I love them, but.... ;-) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 05:47:52 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:47:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shocks Message-ID: <155b1b2784a7e799e233095540fbf658@wi.rr.com> Anyone had any experience using the newer Spax shock that has two settings - one for bounce and one for rebound? Also, I keep hearing the argument that as shocks are being used in a racing application, they heat up and begin to lose they ability to respond. This argument has been presented to me for the stock lever arm shocks on my TR6 as well as for the standard Spax shocks sold by Moss, etc. Anyone have any real test experience or data? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 06:36:32 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) The definition of elegant from Answers.com: "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or style." Well, I probably wouldn't use it either. BUT, the slang use of elegant: "[common; from mathematical usage] Combining simplicity, power, and a certain ineffable grace of design. Higher praise than clever, winning, or even cuspy. The French aviator, adventurer, and author Antoine de Saint-Exupiry, probably best known for his classic children's book The Little Prince, was also an aircraft designer. He gave us perhaps the best definition of engineering elegance when he said A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. " Saint-Ex could have been describing a TR3! Simplicity and power; not much left to take away from a TR3! John H. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 18 07:45:29 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:45:29 EST Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: In a message dated 02/18/2008 7:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me > wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) > The definition of elegant from Answers.com: > > "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or > style." > Yeah! Fits the TR3, but not the TR3A. The grille's too wide. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 19:07:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:07:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Custom Spring Summary Message-ID: FoT, Here are the results of my research into having custom springs made in the US. The companies included in the following list were recommended by various members of our esteemed group. Thank you for all the input. 1. Coil Spring Specialties St. Mary's, Kansas (785) 437-2025 www.coilsprings.com Tech guy: Kevin They do make custom one-offs. Cost; $186/pair. They prefer to have your old springs to work from. 2. Eibach Springs Corona, California (800) 507-2338 www.eibach.com Tech guy: Ryan They do make custom springs but you need to order at least 100 at a time. They have an extensive catalogue but a majority of their springs are 2-1/2" diameter (coil-overs). 3. Draco Springs Draco, Texas www.dracospring.com (800) 645-4971 Tech guy: Mike - Very knowledgeable and helpful. They will make custom springs at $185 each. They have a tech sheet to fill out and they too, prefer to have your spring sent to them. 4. Hyperco Spring Logansport, Indiana www.hypercoils.com (574) 753-6622 Tech girl: Diane They have a large catalogue (mostly coil-over) and do make custom springs. Cost: $283 each. Quoted price is for a cold wound spring with a rate of 625 lbs. and wire gage +1/2". 5. Babcock Auto Spring Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin (414) 276-4450 They make leaf springs only. There you have it. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 22:36:05 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <976282.43888.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My TR-6 is an occasionally street driven autocross car. For autocross I am running 8.5" wide rims with 225/45ZR15 Hoosier A6 tires. The street setup is 7.0" wide rims with Yokohama 205/50R15 tires. Front caster is 5.8 degrees Front camber is -3.00 Toe out is 1/16" This car has no noticeable bump steer on the street tires or the bigger autocross tires, and does not dart under heavy braking. The bigger autocross tires do have a slight tendency to follow seams in the road, but otherwise this TR-6 is very stable and has crisp turn in as long as the loose nut at the wheel does not blow off the corner by charging too hard and braking too late. Jim P Joe Boruch wrote: I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Feb 19 04:05:05 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:05:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Heroic stuff Chris ! ...... I set mine up using the m25 london orbital motorway! I've a feeling you did it better than me ...... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 15/02/08 08:15 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:36:32 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Message-ID: Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Feb 19 08:42:09 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay References: Message-ID: gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3A B %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:51:22 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:51:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Bulk] Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 08:52:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:52:42 EST Subject: [Fot] "SURVEY SAYS" Meadow Brook Hall Concours De Elegance 3 August Message-ID: Just a brief, but possibly important survey: If the Meadow Brook Hall Committee decided to invite Vintage Race Cars in 2008 or 2009, how many folks would submit their TRIUMPHS for consideration and acceptance? fyi: http://www.meadowbrookconcours.org/ Name State Triumph(s) autox/rally/current era/vintage? email address We have a number of Triumphs that are show quality...but they dont need to be perfect or have tons of provenance. Please submit if you have any inclination. Dialogue on this has been initiated.... The FoT has been instrumental in raising the awareness and value of our Triumphs. To be featured at Meadow Brook Hall furthers that awareness. Example: Bill Dentinger Wisconsin TR3 Vintage BillDentin at aol.com Thanks! Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:58:04 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:20:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:20:27 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 09:28:38 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: <021920081628.27402.47BB03B60004C0FC00006B0A2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to beleive it was all so long ago.... Irv -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 > > The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests > at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the > current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed > Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still > juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. > > Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown > of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help > here? > > Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show > or race. > > Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as emanteno at comcast.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Feb 19 09:40:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:40:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 Ummm - this wasn't Ralph, it was Fletcher Williams. I'm not sure if Ralph got any B Sedan titles or not. I think it was Rick Cline who got the B Sedan titles. Now - Fletcher Williams is a character. I'll leave it at that. Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 [other stuff deleted] regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Feb 19 09:53:04 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:53:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. I'll volunteer to race it!! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. N197TR4 at cs.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/19/08 08:20 AM To macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:54:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:54:33 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/2008 10:28:52 AM Central Standard Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to > beleive it was all so long ago.... > > Irv > Fletcher Williams! Yes!!!......my apologies....same questions apply. My memory failed me. I shoulda looked it up. Thanks IRV From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 10:00:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:00:16 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > From ofbracing at nefcom.net Tue Feb 19 10:19:43 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c8731b$9f0befd0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Rick is alive and well, still grinding custom cams and building race engines in the Orlando FL area. He used to be on the FOT list but has apparently gotten dropped. According to the SCCA documentation, he won the Runoffs in 3 consecutive years, '72 and '73 in G Prod, '74 in F Prod. I believe there were 2 different Spits, one of which was still in his hanger the last time I was down there. He also participated in the Cannonball run, co-driving a Ferrari Dino with Jack May. There's a short article about that at http://www.geocities.com/carrollms/cannonball/dino.html Cheers, Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 13:36:50 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 14:11:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:11:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <8CA415315788F21-2C4-16AE@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> Who could forget the Cline team colors, baby-shix brown... Thanks for posting the photo links! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: N197TR4 at cs.com; lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:47:29 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:47:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:01:43 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:01:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802191401x22d9309cxfcabcea248812bce@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship race with Mueller and his TR7]. http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf On Feb 19, 2008 1:47 PM, wrote: > Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? > > > > Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois > > > > That's not a leak... My car's > just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:07:23 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 15:13:16 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chuck Arnold" > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:29:06 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:29:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:36:35 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000201c87347$e27e0100$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You can also tell by the number of head studs. 1296 and 1500 have 10 1147 have 11 If the 6 port head is bolted on it is a 1147 engine If not bolted on and the block has 11 studs it is a 1147 block To answer your question, yes (almost, as do the 948's). Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cwn74 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:37:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:46:11 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:46:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000401c87349$ed47c650$0202a8c0@newcomputer> If the block has been shaved down, it probably took the number stamping with it. Clark's suggestion of counting the studs if then the best way to tell. The 1147 and everything before has 11 studs. Afterwards, there are 10. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:51:49 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone! `Just what the designer ordered Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: emanteno at comcast.net > To: triosan at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > > > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf > > If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:16:40 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:16:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <001301c87355$ddbdd880$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. Bob GT6 racer From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:19:57 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <003201c87356$534b13b0$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Rick lives here in Groveland, Florida and is still producing great Spitfire and GT6 engines. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps > someone > else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB > Racing. But that's not much. > > >> Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 17:54:06 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Clark Thank you very much for the link. Great pictures ejoyed seeing them, will have to go back and see them all. Terrific. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: February 19, 2008 5:07 PM To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 18:01:22 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Sweeeeeeeet! Anyone wanna help me rob a bank? Shane Ingate, wondering how Kas made the fluted DCOE trumpets, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:30:19 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201c87370$eb1fa470$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Actually Fletcher Williams was the 1991 National champion and I was his crew chief. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:58:03 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:58:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> In that race, Fletcher radioed in on the tenth lap and said the head gasket was blown and water was blowing all over his legs. He said the oil temp was staying under 230 so Sandy said to tell him to keep going just don't blow it up. He ran the remaining 8 laps with no water in the motor! The oil kept the motor cool enough to finish the race. We all wanted a victory lap and the car was too hot to refire so we were towed around by a wrecker for our victory lap! The tech guys had me pull the head so they could check the bore and stroke. The only damage we found was a collapsed valve seat. Ahhh the good old days. Mike (Still blowing head gaskets) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 21:12:51 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> References: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Message-ID: <002a01c87376$dca20540$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I remember during P+Q Fletcher (one year at the Runoffs) would leave a puddle of oil in the pits around the bell housing area. Perhaps championship year. "Can't be mine" was the reply! I may have a photo of the tow around, we'll find out when I get that far! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 19 22:10:10 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1147's Message-ID: <976568.57792.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: While on the subject of 1147 Spitfire's...we have a new member of CVAR that has purchased a Spitfire Mk1 out of Tampa Fla. The car is in my shop being prepped for this coming weekends race. I am curious if anyone on the list may know of the car. It is white with three blue stripes on the bonnet, number 97, and has a Midwestern council sticker on the side. I am curious about the level of engine prep since it is sporting stock axles. Also...the owner is wanting to move on to a 1296 at the end of the season or when this motor gets ill. The car has tons of spares including three 1147 motors disassembled. Is there anyone else on the list running an 1147cc car that would like spare blocks or heads? I think we'll keep the cranks to use in a 1296 small journal motor. I also have a Spitfire Mk 3 which was recovered from the vacant lot demons, sitting outside my shop. Is there anyone on the list that needs a steel bonnet, boot lid, doors, etc. from a roundtail? I want to give the list first shot before they head to Ebay. All the panels are in repairable condition. Please let me know off list. Thanks - Ed From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:45:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <022020081445.11074.47BC3CFF000618ED00002B422213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bob" > Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:47:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] corrected link Message-ID: <022020081447.13944.47BC3D700007F155000036782213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Sorry, that should have been http://www.race-cars.com/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: emanteno at comcast.net In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 20 07:52:43 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:52:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads Message-ID: Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:21:03 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm which indicates that car was sold previously for $35K. But the eBay description indicates that the car has been with the same owners since 1988, significantly pre-dating race-cars.com. My guess is that they received no takers on race-cars.com, withdrew the advertisement, and are trying on eBay. Nevertheless, there are some more pictures to drool over at race-cars.com. Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal. Don't look at me, though, I'm struggling just to finish one car for the road/track. Shane Ingate, with no sugar-daddies in Magdalena, NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From DennisR380 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 10:25:44 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:25:44 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: Irv, I believe that website address is: www.race-cars.com DR ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 10:51:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Henry Frye Address Message-ID: anybody have an address for henry? i lost mine. thanks joe a From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:33:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm really confused. The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there because of that. Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm and http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary and video... The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? I'm puzzled... From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Wed Feb 20 11:33:05 2008 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page Message-ID: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ From alan at nosbritishparts.com Wed Feb 20 11:39:45 2008 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <97056.56626.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> OK..It took a few seconds to get the message. Alan T Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 11:51:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:51:03 EST Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for bringing this up. Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the positive aspects. A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would enter this event. However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! Joe A > I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there > because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited > to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary > and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and > two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There > must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... > _______________________________________________ > From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:56:46 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <602362.82156.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got it right away. But everyone around me at work wanted to know why I was laughting at a blank screen! Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as sbracing at sbcglobal.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 12:25:18 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From wredinger at oppd.com Wed Feb 20 12:44:49 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Feb 20 12:59:31 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:59:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cars in drag don't count! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "REDINGER, WILLIAM E" Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/20/08 11:44 AM To , , cc Subject Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:15:48 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 mph, and Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. Shane Ingate in NM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 > From: wredinger at oppd.com > To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered > drag car! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > herald948 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > > I love google. > > Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse > owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: > > http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm > > ==AM== > So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car > replica: > > > > :-) > ==AM== > > Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning > the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be > a deal.... > > ==AM== > Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on > your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I > think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only > need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald Database at its new URL: > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 20 19:54:31 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? In-Reply-To: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080221025441.0C5D818767C@autox.team.net> In my case, I can only do one or two "big event"s a year, and the Glen is mine for this year. I want to run Beaverun and PGVP (if they'll let me, I give that like 25% with my car prep level), but it's just not in the cards for this year. - Tony At 12:33 PM 2/20/2008, tom strange wrote: >I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race > there because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much > more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track > commentary and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one > racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would > go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 20 17:54:28 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:54:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the end of straights). On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. > I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 > mph, and > Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. > > All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 >> From: wredinger at oppd.com >> To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 >> powered >> drag car! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> herald948 at aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM >> To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> >> I love google. >> >> Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse >> owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: >> >> http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm >> >> ==AM== >> So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car >> replica: >> >> > > >> >> :-) >> ==AM== >> >> Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as >> owning >> the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got >> to be >> a deal.... >> >> ==AM== >> Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? >> Depends on >> your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I >> think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only >> need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >> Triumph Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald Database at its new URL: >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> More new features than ever. 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If you are not the intended recipient you are > notified that > disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance > on the > contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:58:59 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Spitfire Racer (Scott Cypher)) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for TR 6 STD pistons (4) In-Reply-To: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> References: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> Message-ID: <3F9E5447-BD7D-4CF5-950F-938EDD5F3B9B@xsmail.com> I am looking for 4 std TR6 pistons for my 1500 rebuild. If you have an imcomplete set wasting away in a corner, pleAse email me off list.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com On Feb 19, 2008, at 18:29, "C E White" wrote: > What is the proper thread size for the gearshift knob on a '69/'70 > GT6+? > > Chuck White > NASS #495 > Xenia, OH > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>> To unsubscribe send an empty email to: nass-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> NASS Home Site nasshq resources http://www.nasshq.org >>> Full Membership details: http://www.nasshq.org/docs/memberapp.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/join > (Yahoo! 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Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: > Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 06:42:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:42:57 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally. Perhaps Kas or one of your others who worked on and raced it later, but still "in the day", can shed some light. It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. Also, the last time I weighed Ralph's car it was 2123#. The B-Sedan weight rules for a non-cross flow engine were 1.0# / cc. That means the car should weigh 2500# by my figures. No wonder it is fast!!! It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. Just my 2 pennies. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 07:38:18 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:38:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B4017B5-101E-4E0D-AEBD-21F6BA33E543@bnj.com> well, he didn't really bat me, more like beat me. Same thing I guess On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out > of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most > corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped > accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took > over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a > lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end > of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 > (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the > end of straights). > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 07:45:13 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42AF8025FAA7-1618-EEA@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally.... It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. ==AM== Correct; the Vitesse was 2L (except for the original Vitesse 6/Sports 6, which was 1.6L). ==AM== It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. ==AM== Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:10:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:10:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 writes: Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. OK, that helps me on the 5-speed. Thanks, Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:27:04 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:27:04 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 8:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse > had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did. > > ==AM== > Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. > Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:43:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:43:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Feb 21 08:53:05 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:53:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CA46017@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That doesn't work everywhere. Our group is making 2 guys pull Toyota 5 speeds out. CVAR requires a tranny from the original manufacturer, which means a TR6 trans works in a GT6, but not the Toyota conversion. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:43 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; Billb at bnj.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:56:13 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:56:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. > Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > Jack... What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:58:46 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:58:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? Only 85 days until my first kringle fix for 2008! jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 09:39:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> You mean nitrous isn't okay? Damn, I guess I'll have to just huff all those bottles. transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. I know, I know, slippery slope, and why wouldn't a guy with a 1908 diffenbacher--woolsey 30/50 then be allowed to run a small block chebbie. My answer is guys with pukka race cars accept a higher standard when they choose to engage, modified production car guys don't. And if you screw with your diffenbacher too much you'll be ostracized by the entire Woolsley community and it won't be worth squat, whereas an unmolested 917 can provide retirement income for a mid-sized town. It's a spectrum, not black and white, and I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. I'm still going to run 4 speed TR boxes in Peyote, but if i get tired of spending as much for a transmission as I used to for a whole motor, then there's an option. On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra writes: > > >> You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. >> Everything is there under "car info". >> >> In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. >> >> This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > > > Jack... > > What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! > > Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has > been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. > BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is > well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle > handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598 > ) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 09:43:40 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:43:40 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:40:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. Thanks Bill. I think we are the bastion of reason in a sport that is populated by extremes! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:17:14 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Bill, et al: You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. ==AM== Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:31:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:31:14 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:25:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace You can't nit-pick me because I have absolute domain over SVRA rules! I'll give you a 5-speed but don't push it. Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:33:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:33:25 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:34:53 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:53 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:33:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SMITH1127 writes: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? We have and are waiting for the master's reply. jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 21 10:49:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Missed it by one :). My TR3 has overdrive in ALL four gears. >==AM== >Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive >gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the >earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) > >--Andy Mace From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 21 13:19:55 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:19:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] New mail address References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <005f01c874c7$203f1c60$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, because of that trouble to access FOT and stay in contact with the USA racers I've set up this mail address: tr4racing at googlemail.com This one is only made to reach unreachable people (comcast.net) This is my 2008 race schedule: 27.06.2008 29.06.2008 N|rburgring (GP-Kurs) Oldtimer Festival 26.07.2008 27.07.2008 Brands Hatch, England 30.08.2008 31.08.2008 Assen, Niederlande Classic Car Festival 13.09.2008 14.09.2008 Zandvoort GTO Classic 26.09.2008 28.09.2008 N|rburgring Nordschleife ADAC Eifelrennen 18.10.2008 19.10.2008 Spa Francorchamps ADAC Finale Some nice race events I think. Cheers Chris http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 15:12:39 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:12:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: <002001c874d6$df969430$d214c548@RW> Lots of talk about this car I did in 1971. It started off as a stock Vitesse, used, sent to me by the factory for this project. It was built/raced /sold as a two liter car. Even if I had the car right now I'd take out a 2.5 and put in the 2.0 engine. The 2.0 engine is far superior and will rev right out the window while the 2.5 is a tough cookie to deal with in comparison.That gear set had a first gear about the same as a second gear in a five speed gearbox ( of which we did not have). The car was built/raced/sold with three 45mm Webers used slick race tires and was fitted with rear disc brakes. Lots of other cute things but I have little memory exactly as at the time, it was under funded and not important in the big scheme of things. But, it was a gas to drive and went like a rocket. One thing I do remember well is that the under two liter Trans Am had become a little bit of bumper car racing so I had the cage built with a 1.75" tubing 4130 bar under the little aluminum face bumpers on the car front and rear and tied into the cage and chassis. The idea being that anyone who ran into that car was in for a shocking surprise. AS I REMEMBER (reminding you all that this was a while back) we did the car with a close ratio TR-4/6 gearbox for I figured the GT-6 box would never stand up to the 210bhp. We did race the car in the Trans-Am about 4 times and also in a few SCCA amateur races. Hopefully this will help answer some questions. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:42:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:42:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211542h58c71652vc1e00b8954b039b8@mail.gmail.com> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:58:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent TR6 crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211558o4f89effahaf7c8e327245a1c5@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, forgot to mention the car ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM Subject: Need a decent crank pulley To: Friends , Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 18:16:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:16:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: Kas... I remember talking about this car with you in your NISSAN paddock at ROAD AMERICA one time. We were looking at a panoramic picture of the 1992 TRIUMPHS at MID-OHIO. I recall the first recollection out of the box was, "I couldn't keep rear axles on that car." Bill Dentinger **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:38:43 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:38:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did Actually, the Vitesse DID have an overdrive option... I have one parked outside which I brought from England with me so I know a little bit about them. Best Regards Lion F Guyot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:50:00 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:50:00 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Bill, et al: > > You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) > from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an > excerpt: > > > Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate > production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. > Add 75 lbs. to official weight. > When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear > > must be lower numerically than 1:1. > Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track > dimension, brake size and type is not changed. > Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. > Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and > all gear ratios are free. > Jack Woehrle > This IS an interesting thread, I am surprised that the Candybox Vitesse is allowed AT ALL, especially with all it's rear axle and rear drive modifications. Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? Just curious. I KNOW one thing, that nasty triumph tune alloy rocker box/valve cover is most certainly NOT original and really spoils the underbonnet authenticity for me, and anyone who knows anything about triumph tune, (lower case deliberate). And, why would anyone want to remove that sweet 2.0L six with it's square 76mm bore and stroke, and replace it with that stroked 2498cc unit in the first place? It is well known that the 2.0L is a better revving and all round nicer unit than the 2.5L unit. (no offence intended to TR6 owners btw) Lion From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 19:10:52 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:52 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans and Trans-Am in 1972. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From srcypher at mac.com Thu Feb 21 19:20:10 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> Message-ID: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I also have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and one TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. 218xxx vs. TKCxxxx) if any? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head there were four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 21:59:22 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:59:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <007701c8750f$b069ebb0$d214c548@RW> That car was legal in every aspect to the regulations at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: > > Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? > > > > That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans > and > Trans-Am in 1972. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 21 23:02:53 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:02:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tire/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <000001c87518$90c6ed40$b1191718@computer> Does anyone know how much tire/wheel clearance there is on the rear tube shock conversion that mounts Konis on a series of right angle gussets on a TR6? The directions state that the clearance should be adequate for up to 205s but I want to use 225s on aftermarket wheels. Thanks, Jim Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 22 06:56:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <49a97cedadab888fab97cabc17c3661d@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 (maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 07:50:43 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:50:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <27859797.2908571203691843525.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> A quick look thry the index of the following 05 issues didn't show an article on headers: Jan, Mar, Apr, May, July, Sept, Nov. that's all the one's I had. Dean T. >From: Allen Washatko >Date: 2008/02/22 Fri AM 07:56:17 CST >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine >FoT, > >Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 >(maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 09:40:59 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 steering shaft to rack connection size Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802220840p7d053176o2bb9fbd544ed4db7@mail.gmail.com> Am about to replace the stock parts with Borgeson shafts and u-joint. Does anyone happen to know the diameter of the shaft and nuber of splines where the shaft jins the steering box? Thanks -- Chuck Arnold From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 22 09:57:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box conversion? I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the top three gears. Larry Young Bill Babcock wrote: > transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the > side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The > toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 22 10:09:50 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and My experience is the GT6 boxes are not up to the task. The 260Z box I use has been trouble free for over 15 years. 100.00 from the junk yard. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:08:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:08:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking at just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I am dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely no resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate tranny and another he can't. I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have one and it will cost you 75#. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 10:38:49 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <001501c87579$c8ec96a0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I agree with Jack. Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time. My 2 cents. John McCue----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cartravel at pobox.com writes: > > Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and > cheap. > > > The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking > at > just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I > am > dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely > no > resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate > tranny and another he can't. > > I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. > > I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have > one and it will cost you 75#. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 22 10:46:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:46:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1B4EE1E6-D66F-424D-876F-173096B1F394@bnj.com> All depends on what you want a gearbox to do. It's true you can still buy TR gearboxes, but they are not all that plentiful. It costs me a lot more than $1000 to build one. the list of known flaws is pretty long. I generally use straight cut gears though I have a Hardy Prentice box that works even better that I'm hoarding. I consider TR gearboxes to require a teardown every season. If you don't they can do expensive things very quickly. Even with all the mods and care I have a straight cut gearbox at Horizon Racing that just needed $2500 in parts to fix it--it had the common problem of breaking the tab that retains the layshaft and reverse shaft when the layshaft bearing starts to go south. My point is not that I'm looking to use a five speed (I'm not) but that a rule that allows a reasonable substitution with a reasonable penalty is a great way to go, and a lot more sensible than a ban. You can convert a toyota five speed for about a thousand bucks, and it's probably the last transmission you'll have to buy, and you'll never learn anything about them because you'll never open the case. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Larry Young wrote: > I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful > and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look > around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or > less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, > you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear > and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box > conversion? > > I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so > they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I > consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. > > In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not > only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, > especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives > (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a > restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not > necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend > to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look > at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and > close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the > top three gears. > Larry Young > > Bill Babcock wrote: >> transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on >> the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". >> The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:56:43 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:56:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 11:04:01 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <000e01c8757d$4e8267b0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Amen, Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net ; cartravel at pobox.com ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Feb 22 17:58:12 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From chasgee at aol.com Fri Feb 22 18:23:18 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mark 1 drum brake backing plates and Spitifre hubs Message-ID: <8CA43D1CE31D3E2-1104-7F0B@webmail-nb14.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, Work and life have been very time consuming lately, so my FOT participation has been very minimal.? I start a new job on Monday that should give me more time to?do the racing thing again.? I've also started to make the?Spitfire rear hubs again, as shown in Kastner's book.? I have a new batch in the works, in case anyone is interested. As a result,?I need to locate some GT6 Mark 1 or late Mark?3 (swing spring)?drum brake backing plates.? Anyone have a set that?they would like to part with? Regards, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing - Spitfire 2007 Kastner Cup 2007 VARA DP?Champion? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From srcypher at mac.com Fri Feb 22 20:19:46 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: <92C4C4BB-B4D9-4DD1-B0B6-A06948A30DB6@mac.com> Hadn't finalized my decision on the pistons yet. You have to deck the block down more; one block I have is already decked for TR6 pistons and has billet caps, so I can't go back on that one; but another is set for .040 stock; So it will likely be yes on one, and no on the other. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:58 PM, fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sat Feb 23 05:12:11 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:12:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 09:13:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:13:34 EST Subject: [Fot] STEEL FLYWWHEELS TR3 TR4 TR6 Message-ID: FOT, I may have an opportunity to provide a number of steel competition flywheels at a reasonable cost. If you have been looking for an opportunity to acquire a steel flywheel, please contact me. I have five spoken for, thus far. These are all TR3/4 Flywheels. If there is sufficient interest in the TR6 flywheels, the engineering is 95% complete on those. Actually it is 100% done, but we want to verify one more critical dimension on the OD of the flywheel (shrink fit for ring gear) Contact me for the particulars: N197tr4 at cs.com Thanks! Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 11:04:36 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c87646$8d4448f0$b1191718@computer> I am running 225/50ZR/15 Kumhos with the old style American Racing wheels and using two spacers. My tire/wheel combo sticks into the wheel well from the face of the drum 4.375 inches. In other words, my current tire/wheel combo measures 5 inches from face of the drum in and the two spacers shim it out .525 inch. Thanks for the input, Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 13:15:34 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression Message-ID: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Hey group, I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom was overpressure in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor which settles as a whiteish foam. The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have to properly vent the valve cover in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the underside of the valve cover. As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect if I change the oil again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When draining the oil there was no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would expect the rings to have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other three. All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression into the crankcase ? Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled .075 and the liners and head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin spots. Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the overpressure and vapor in the crankcase ? Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the viscosity ? Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no smell of coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there is something else I should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 23 14:39:17 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <2796.25914.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi guys thinking of running a dog box for a TR2 any thoughts or information that you can share? Regards Jim Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 15:00:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT @ BEAVERUN JULY 2008 Message-ID: <7BDF0BA0.07B11D0A.00159EE9@cs.com> FOT, BeaveRun FOT event seems like a nice offer from Ralph Steinberg. Is there no one that is able to spreadsheet some names and do a little information coordination? Joe A. Ralph Steinberg wrote: >At 01:51 PM 2/20/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >>Tom, >> >>Thanks for bringing this up. >> >>Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the >>positive aspects. >> >>A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running >>BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great >>destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. >> >>I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would >>enter this event. >> >>However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to >>work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a >>difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I >>think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right >>now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. >> >>Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! >> >>Joe A >> >>>I'm really confused. >>> >>> The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race >>> there because of that. >>> >>> Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much >>> more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. >>> >>> http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm >>> and >>> http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track >>> commentary and video... >>> >>> The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the >>> management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... >>> >>> Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one >>> racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they >>> would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... >>> What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? >>> >>> I'm puzzled... >>>_______________________________________________ > > Hi everyone. > Well I am excited about the prospects of having racing TR's at >Beaver. And yes this track is set up so that a small nimble car can >climb all over a big car in enough places to make for some very >interesting match ups. If you go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click >the vintage race button and then the beaver button there is more >info, links for the auto cross and entry forms > Ralph Steinberg >PVGPA From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 23 16:09:57 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:09:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures of the burned TR3 Message-ID: <20080223231539.VUTT20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I finally brought myself out to the garage today to pull the shroud off the car and start stripping bits off for the process of getting the car back on the road/track. Posted some pictures at the bottom of my DCTRA Members Car Profile http://www.dctra.org/?p=26 Pulled the bonnet, windshield, battery, air cleaners and Crane Ignition. Gonna "shop-vac" out the burnt bits and ash before going further. Need to see about trying to set up a workday (Mar 1 or Mar 22) to see if anyone wants to come help strip the car down. 1. Take both front fenders off and 2. Pull the nose off I had thought about trying to see if the bonnet could be fixed as the metal above the front carb is warped. But on second thought I think I might try to make some "lemonade" and since this is Bob Schaller's old car and Bob was all about modifying the little beasties to make them better (see his book "More BS about TR's) I am now thinking I'll go ahead and cut out the warped metal but instead of welding in a patch I'll instead make a blister in the bonnet with an opening to draw in outside air to the carbs. Once the fenders and nose are off I'll get those pieces and the car reshot as close to the original Primrose Yellow as possible. Splice in new wiring for the front of the car and it should be good to go. While it is getting painted I'll pull the Panasports off to have them media blasted and then powercoated. Anyone on the FOT list have a recommendation for changing the car over to Dual Masters? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 23 16:18:54 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression References: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <001101c87672$761becb0$6402a8c0@HOME> Jim, I suppose a water leak that is disturbing your oil and not seating piston rings. There could be a leak at the bottom of the liners from the figure 8 gasket. Easy to find when you remove the oil pan and have a look there. If the head gasket leaks you can see water in the tappets. Remove the rockers and pull out the push rods if they stand in deep water. Your compression figure is quite low for a racing engine. My worst cylinder has a compression of 220 PSI. The best one 230 PSI. Compression rate of 11,3:1. After honing did you change rings too? I do a violent running in procedure to brake in the rings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression > Hey group, > I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom > was overpressure > in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor > which settles as a whiteish foam. > The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have > to properly vent the valve cover > in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. > Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the > oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. > The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the > underside of the valve cover. > As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect > if I change the oil > again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When > draining the oil there was > no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would > expect the rings to > have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. > My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other > three. > All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. > Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression > into the crankcase ? > Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled > .075 and the liners and > head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. > Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin > spots. > Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the > overpressure and vapor in > the crankcase ? > Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the > viscosity ? > Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no > smell of > coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there > is something else I > should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? > Any advice would be appreciated. > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 18:21:58 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 07:32:00 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:32:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Case Message-ID: Friends, Does anyone have a transmission case for a TR6 that they would like to get rid of? I would prefer the later model type which has additional ribbing reinforcement. Please let me know. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 24 16:56:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <000001c87740$d570c950$b1191718@computer> Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative value (in improving cornering ability) for a TR6 of the following shocks: Koni SPAX KYB Monroe Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From LOddTR at aol.com Sun Feb 24 17:50:30 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:50:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: ____________________________________ On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". ____________________________________ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. _Watch the video on AOL Living._ (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 23:43:45 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <189319.35371.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I have Koni shocks on the rear suspension of my TR-6 autocross car. These shocks are mounted on the old three piece brackets that were available from Moss Motors in 1994. The bracket sticks out from the inner surface of the wheel well by 2.15", which is a little bit further than the upper half of the Koni shock tube. A small amount of tire rub did occur when using the stock aluminum trailing arms and the stock rubber trailing arm bushings. The rubbing stopped when I made my own three link independent rear suspension that uses spherical rod ends and does not move laterally. The rear track width, the back-set of the rims, and the width of the tires did not not change when the stock trailing arms were taken off and the new three link IRS was installed. Minimum clearance between the sidewall of the tire and the tubular shock mounting bracket is currently 1.6", so that means that with the stock setup the sidewall flex plus the lateral suspension motion allowed by the stock rubber bushings consumed the entire clearance. The car was a handful with the stock rear suspension and the back end kept trying to pass the front; with the new IRS it can be thrown around and gathers up gracefully. In retrospect I blame most of the bad characteristics on the soft stock rubber trailing arm bushings. If you are planning to vintage race or autocross your car I first recommend welding gussets to the mounting brackets for the trailing arms to reduce the probability of breakage and then recommend replacing the stock rubber bushings with solid Nylatron bushings. Jim Prettyleaf jim hearn wrote: Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 01:17:15 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <312190.64430.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have 1.6" clearance between the sidewall of 225/45-15 Hoosier autocross tires and the mounting bracket for the Koni shocks at the rear suspension. The 225/45-15 tires are mounted on 8.5" wide Carroll Shelby rims with a 4 bolt by 4.5" bolt circle. The rims and autocross tires are on the car at the moment, so I will not be able to measure the back-set until I rotate the tires just before the next autocross. If I remember correctly the back set on the 8.5" wide rims is 3 and 11/16 inches, which is the same as the 7.0" wide Carroll Shelby rims that carry my 205/50-15 street tires. Jim Prettyleaf HUGHES wrote: Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tr5racer at btinternet.com Mon Feb 25 04:25:02 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:25:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good From neil at revingtontr.com Mon Feb 25 04:29:43 2008 From: neil at revingtontr.com (Neil Revington) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:29:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks In-Reply-To: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Sorry, I forget who asked the original question, hence the round robin We do a very nice Nitron with pin top adjustment. They are a cut above Koni and yards above Spax RTR3633K http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/mainframe.asp?http://www.revingtontr.com /shop/product_display.asp?a=2&mscssid=KSUJT99M9RS92NRV00JP4Q4021E97X00&S iteLanguage=eng&CarType=ALL&PageType=home&ProductID=RTR3633K Cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: 25 February 2008 11:25 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 06:51:54 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c877b5$94d1ea30$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> As a result of our exhaustive, ongoing research into the poignant story of Martha McDougal and her exploits at Standard-Triumph, it has come to light that the rumor of Sir John Black being the butt of her little "fat bastard" joke must certainly have been in error. In fact, Sir John was always in top physical shape and would never have been considered to be fat. Also, he happened to have died many years before Martha retired. We are digging deeper into the records to find out just who the mysterious "fat bastard" was and who actually presided over her retirement ceremony. Hopefully we will be able to shed some light on that at the 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Golden Tennis Shoe awards presentation in April at VIR. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net On Behalf Of LOddTR at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 08:04:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:04:12 EST Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Question TR6 vs. GT6 Message-ID: FOT, I had a question I could not answer. Will a TR6 flywheel fit on the GT6 Crankshaft? Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 08:45:17 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:17 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 09:31:24 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:31:24 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Gary, Congratulations on your successful weekend. Keep The Glen in mind, too. Joe From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Feb 25 09:56:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CAECA94@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That other gentleman was Roger Williams. He has been the go to guy when you need something that you forgot for your LBC for all my time in CVAR, alway willing to help a brother out. Roger teaches Auto Tech in the Houston area and has done so for many years. He was also the founder of the vintage Spec Sprite class. His current school project is an early Spitfire donated to his school by another CVAR member. Roger is looking for an 1147 engine for this project. Ed Barnard may have him fixed up, but I'm not sure, and it is a worthy cause. The kids in Auto Tech courses in Houston typically come from the segment of the student body most likely to drop out and become a drain on society. Ed can chime in and tell me if he has an engine for Roger, but otherwise we are still looking. As for our race weekend, it was great to have Gary down in Texas for the school. His pal, Walt "wrench" Reed, managed to pull and replace the oil cooler during the drivers meeting on a cold Saturday morning in time for Gary to make his school session which was the first group out. I remain impressed, and a bit jealous. I need a chief mechanic too! It's always a good thing when the school paticipants make it through the weekend and run all the laps. We have a new Spitfire that rolled off the trailer for the school, purchased as race ready, only to vibrate with a bent axle at speed. He'll have to do the school next time. With a Gary's TR4, my 4A, Bobby Whiteheads GT6 and Joe Hovey's Spitfire all performing well all weekend we had a nice Triumph showing. If all goes well this Spetember (our next TWS event) we'll have Jim McAndrew's TR3 and Mark Van Lake's TR6 for September and we will have a full display of Triumph vintage race cars. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:45:01 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? -- Chuck Arnold From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 11:46:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Message-ID: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Feb 25 11:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C30DE0.9020502@razzolink.com> Have you tried Pierce Manifolds? www.piercemanifolds.com/products.htm Teriann Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding > the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they > leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush > washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I > usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:17:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com in my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their initial design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 at the wheels is really not too discernible. The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock to provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there > were > discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was > it a > simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Feb 25 12:19:14 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:19:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: I use one on a GT6, and I swear revs come on faster. But that's just me. No it was not a simple bolt on. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/25/08 10:46 AM To "Friends of Triumph" cc Subject [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 12:29:07 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Clutch Choices? Message-ID: <005901c877e4$b0a8a3f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm assembling a new race engine. The NOS Laycock Sheffield (sp?) clutch that I bought to install, a two piece assembly of pressure plate and what looks like a surrounding domed shield that bolts onto the flywheel over it, is several pounds heavier than the AP (Automotive Products) unit that is on the other engine I have. Anybody have any input on failure rates, relative merits, etc? I hate to bolt this really heavy Laycock unit onto the aluminum flywheel I got to reduce weight in exactly the same place, but now I'm wondering if there is a good reason it is so much more substantial than the AP unit. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:02:05 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:02:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear brake cylinders Message-ID: <000d01c877e9$4bfe2010$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> This is for those that are still running rear drums. I was going to rebuild the rear wheel cylinders and found that the kits I have are for a 7/8 cylinder and my cylinders are 0.700. I've got the brake bias set all the way to the front, so I'm wondering if I should drop the rear cylinder size even further. What are you guys running? Thanks Jim Norlin From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:17:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:17:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? Message-ID: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 25 13:51:49 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:51:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c877f0$3dddc6a0$d214c548@RW> Think not just a little power but the ease of rev increase not carrying that oil weight/windage will improve the ET in the top gears especially where you are in the gear longer and the rev increase is slow. Side by side with another duplicate of your car in power and you'll just move away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper >I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com >in > my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their > initial > design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. > So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has > Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 > at > the wheels is really not too discernible. > > The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock > to > provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there >> were >> discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was >> it a >> simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From igofaster at charter.net Mon Feb 25 15:08:01 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FoT @ TWS with CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080225170801.94STK.81382.root@fepweb01> Great to be back sleeping in my own bed. I did it hippie style sleeping in the van. The GT6+ performed flawlessly again. I did run a smaller tire as I was getting tire rub with the 185 60's. The 175 60's worked better. Bobby Whitehead 1970 GT6+ #54 CVAR Group 2 EP From TR4racr at aol.com Mon Feb 25 17:15:38 2008 From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:15:38 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: I plan to attend and look forward to the gala. If you need help with anything please let me know. George Wright **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 17:38:52 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? References: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <022f01c8780f$f67feac0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, according to what I've been told, 2 1/2 psi should be OK. With the regulator just before the carbs. I use a Holley red pump and regulator. Seems to work. Good luck. Bill Tobin Vintage TR6 Erie, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? > If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a > TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 25 22:05:32 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <47C39E1C.2090203@bradakis.com> I've certainly scrapped a few cranks in my day. Oh, you meant scrape, not scrap. Never mind ;-) Weather report is claiming clear skies and temps in the low 50s coming up this weekend here in Utah. I'll be spending some time in the garage dusting off that decrepit squaretail Spit I was driving last year. I'm looking forward to hitting the streets in a Triumph RealSoonNow. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Feb 26 10:20:29 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:20:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a motor oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer This should make life easier for all of us. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 11:39:14 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 Message-ID: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> >From what I can find, these are both non-synthetic (conventional oils). What I cannot find is the ZDDP and Moly content difference. The VV211 is about $5.00 a quart and the VV851 is about $10.00 a quart. The VV851 is "Not Street Legal" whereas the VV211 is "Extreme Performance Level Protection" "with ZDDP". Thanks. Tim Murphy TR4 #317 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 26 12:01:50 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:01:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 In-Reply-To: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web site ? VV851 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf VV211 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer "anti-wear" additives ? Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 13:04:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:04:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web site. The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web > site > ? > > VV851 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf > > VV211 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf > > Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" > claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference > at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer > "anti-wear" additives ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 17:06:14 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:13 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <001e01c878dc$ac1d03a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. Brad Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I should buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and ruin the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race weekend, but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:41 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color to boot. What's not to love? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 20:09:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC><1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001c01c878ee$2a0ace80$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang...there's an interesting article about oil in the March 2008 issue of SCCA Sports Car magazine..page #52////..By the way I'm now useing Mobil Full Synthetic 15/50 in my Spitfire Vintage Racer..... My Friend Ron Chisholm of RM Pacific Motorsports at Infineon informed me that Jay Ivey(noted engine builder) reccomends the mobil, or Redline...also, ..The Porsche 962 Historic Race Cars that Ron does Track support for.. use the Mobil 15/50 full synthetic Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Randall" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web > site. > The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > > >> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web >> site >> ? >> >> VV851 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf >> >> VV211 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf >> >> Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" >> claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional >> difference >> at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer >> "anti-wear" additives ? >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 26 20:44:06 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:44:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: We just purchased 6 cases of Brad Penn at $45/case. With tax, that is less than $4 a quart. Now we have green oil, blue brake fluid and pink coolant! Allen On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color > to boot. What's not to love? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > > To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:59:07 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:59:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil and race motor break in Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802262059s36ae1045t175e98c9e70e2940@mail.gmail.com> I bought a case of Joe Giggs 15W-50 from Hoerr Racing Products for $57 a case. I also ordered some other parts [AN fittings]. Do not know what the threshold was, but shipping was free. They are in IIIinois, I am in Seattle. Bought a case of Brad Penn brake in oil locally to use in the two new motors I am breaking in [one street, one race]. On braking in a race motor: How do you do it -- only place the car can run is on the track. First sessions out will be test and tune, so I can control somewhat the speeds for each 20 minute session. Sure would like some advice in this topic. Chuck On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. > Brad > Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil > and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I > should > buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with > 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and > ruin > the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more > options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race > weekend, > but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 > weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Van Vlack" > To: "Charly Mitchel" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > > JVV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charly Mitchel" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > > > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > >> motor > >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> This should make life easier for all of us. > >> Charly Mitchel > >> TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From REK46 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 12:46:05 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:46:05 EST Subject: [Fot] kas email Message-ID: sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 2598) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 27 13:20:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:20:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] kas email References: Message-ID: <00f801c8797e$3bcbeec0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> kas kastner E-mail Address(es): kaskas at cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] kas email > sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? > > > ************** > Ideas to > please picky eaters. 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Good rates for suites and $25 per day coupons for drink and/or food. But you dont get it unless you ask for it........ > FoT > > If anyone is planning to attend the May SVRA event (May 17 -19) at Road > America, I have a 30% off coupon for the Osthoff Resort if anyone is > interested. > > Allen > From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 07:07:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:07:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080228141842.NSAQ17412.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 22:31:49 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List down? Message-ID: <20080229053702.HCSE19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Have not seen any traffic since 7am when I asked that question about HSR West next weekend. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Feb 29 03:06:25 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:06:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil Message-ID: <200802291006.m1TA6aS0405536@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a note to me from a friend in the lube industry. Nice to know that they are aware of our problems, even if the solutions aren't quite available. I think when we beat the drum longly and loudly on lists like this, and get the involvement on folks on this list, good things can actually happen. [813/37] >Jack >For your info >Looks like conoco phillips is stepping to the >plate to sell some racing oil as well >Hope all is well > > >Western Petroleum Company >Dennis Gamble >General Mgr. Lubes >130 Willow Lawn Drive SW >Waverly, IA 50677 >612-801-4166 Cell >800-972-3835 ext 1514 corp office >866-543-1428 Computer fax >319-352-0202 Office >319-352-0505 Office Fax > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: ConocoPhillips Company >To: DENNIS GAMBLE >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:34:59 PM >Subject: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil > > >Lubestream Direct Connect > > > > >February 22, 2008 > >Dear ConocoPhillips Lubricants Marketer, > >As part of our ongoing commitment to identify >and provide you, our valued Marketers, with >products, programs and tools to help you grow >your business, we are pleased to announce that >76 High Performance Motor Oil SAE 20W-50, >Kendall GT-1. High Performance Motor Oil SAE >20W-50 and Phillips TropArtic. Racing Motor Oil >20W-50 will be reformulated. The reformulated >oils will contain a boosted level of zinc >dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP) in order to offer >enhanced wear protection and oxidation >resistance for use in the most demanding >applications. The new formulations will be in >production in all plants by March 1. > >We are confident that the enhanced formulation >will address concerns within the industry about >current ILSAC GF-4 and API SM engine oils and >whether they contain sufficient levels of ZDDP >to protect older engines, especially >high-performance engines with flat-tappet >camshafts. The newly reformulated SAE 20W-50 >viscosity grades of 76 High Performance Motor >Oil, Kendall GT-1. High Performance Motor Oil >and Phillips TropArtic. Racing Motor Oil will >contain approximately 1200 ppm zinc. Higher >levels of ZDDP, which provide antiwear/antiscuff >protection as well as oxidation inhibition, can >help protect these new camshafts during the critical break-in period. > >The reformulated SAE 20W-50 viscosity grades >will continue to provide excellent protection in >gasoline-fueled competition engines, >turbocharged engines, and high-performance >street engines, including those with flat-tappet camshafts. > >Please be sure to share this exciting >reformulation announcement with your customers >who service high-performance racing engines and >stay tuned for announcements about the >availability of this reformulated product. >Please contact your MSR with any questions. > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Phil Sontag >Director of Marketing, Automotive Lubricants > > > >This message was intended for: >dgamble at westernpetro.com >You were added to the system March 14, 2005. For more information >click >here. >Update >your preferences | >Unsub scribe > > uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 29 07:30:21 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080229144216.FBIS28556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Feb 29 08:52:22 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <1261588.221651204300343011.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> I'm planning on going to Cal Speedway for the VARA races the same weekend. VARA races usually have a good turnout of Triumphs. Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2008/02/29 Fri AM 08:30:21 CST >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow >Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am >trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter >as we will be running as a group with them. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 09:32:53 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine Message-ID: <000001c87af0$bc525070$34f6f150$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 29 10:24:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:24:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Feb 29 10:33:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values References: Message-ID: <00e001c87af9$43a87ce0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike Jackson's and mine. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 29 10:52:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:52:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 02/29/2008 11:25:15 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Absolutely...and in spite of some of us. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 11:41:50 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mlcooknj at msn.com Fri Feb 29 12:18:27 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi- Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled to correct it. A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly called a TR4 Hardtop. The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was used to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel top won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The Surrey Top was an extra. This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the car was named and marketed. There, that's off my chest! Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as mlcooknj at msn.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Feb 29 14:12:57 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden tractor..................NUTZ!) Ah for the old days Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SMITH1127 at aol.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 23:14:44 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:14:44 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values References: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> Message-ID: <000801c87a9a$617774b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah. In 1969 or thereabouts I traded a '61 Fiat Abarth 750 for A '62 Ford Falcon Station wagon that burned a quart of oil every 250 miles. The Abarth didn't burn any, but it needed starter motor brushes (again!). Guess it was those super high compression pistons. S. Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell > students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to > drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for > less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE > roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a > car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was > fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden > tractor..................NUTZ!) > > Ah for the old days > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > SMITH1127 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to > go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably > stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the > car. > > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a > clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good > examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From westerneagleracing at att.net Fri Feb 29 16:12:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: <022920082312.10196.47C8915400076529000027D422230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jeff: Autoweek has a 63 TR 4 that sold at auction at Gooding & Co. in Scottdale for $44,000.00. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jeff Snook" > > I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be > crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem > to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from > scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! > > There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike > Jackson's and mine. > > Vroom, vroom, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM > Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > > While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it > rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. > > I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There > are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. > > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Joe A > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about > a > > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see > if > > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, > something > > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > 69 TR6 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 17:58:34 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:58:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Video Message-ID: <000001c87b37$61415b30$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A week or so ago, I finally got around to putting a video of a race between my Spitfire and one of the local Spridgets on You Tube. It's a bit different than most since both of us had in-car cameras and I merged the tapes together so you see the passing from both cars vantage point. The 1275 Sprite had my 1147 on the straights, but I could sure out brake and out handle him. I've got a 1300 now and am really looking forward to the new season. You can see the video at: http://www.youtube.com/user/norlineng From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 20:05:19 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:05:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 2/29/2008 5:25:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spreiss at verizon.net writes: > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Sigh...I still remember paying a local tow outfit $25 to bring me the free TR4 a friend was giving me. Yeah, the body was pretty rusty, but it was an almost fully-optioned car: wire wheels, Michelin X tires, overdrive. Conifer with red interior. Only thing missing from the option list was the hardtop. I parted it out. (This was the mid-1970s....) Actually, I might have made the right decision, since the body literally folded in half when I removed it from the chassis. Still.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Fri Feb 29 20:48:05 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:48:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfire racers Message-ID: I have a few race prepared 1500 cranks from the FP days when my car was raced in the early 90's. 2 of them have a tapered snout, and the woodruff keyway extended out to the nose. The cam gear mounting appears unaffected (still flat) Does anyone have idea what the intent of this taper would have been? Harmonic Damper from another make/model? Cog-belt pulley? I wanted to find out before I went and had something custom made, if there was an off-the shelf component used. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 21:06:07 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 22:01:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <005f01c87b59$50cf2e40$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..If anyone has a gt6 mk2 rh vertical link, please contact Mike at bearranch at mtaonline.net Thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Feb 1 13:15:39 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:15:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances Message-ID: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. you could barely turn the crank by hand. bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, but crank turned freely now. i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. art de armond From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 13:30:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a > reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked > out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. > you could barely turn the crank by hand. > bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) > and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, > but crank turned freely now. > i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from > Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were > junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. > Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. > > art de armond > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Feb 1 14:13:10 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:13:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Measuring an inside bore with an inside mic takes a bit of a "feel". I worked in the machine tool industry for all of my career and there the tolerances are many times in 10,000ths of an inch. Not easy to find "a tenth". Having worked on the assembly floor quite a bit with the inspectors, I really got an appreciation of what it took to measure something even to a thousandth, especially an inside bore. Being an amatuer, I would only trust my measurement to a thousandth on an inside bore with a three (3) point bore gauge. Even that takes a bit of a feel. I think I'd be lucky to get within 0.002 or 0.003 with an inside mic. I once had the task of getting five (5) parts machined on one of the precision machining centers and then getting various dimensions on the parts measured, multiple times for repeatability and accuracy. As I recall, I took the parts to two (2) different CMM's and to a precison plate and height gauge run by our best inspector and still couldn't get acceptable repeatability of the measurements to a thousandth. I finally had to take the parts over to Detroit to a CMM manufacturer who had a million dollar CMM in a temperature and humidity controlled room to get accurate, repeatable measurements. And that was 1968 million dollars. I once rebuilt a Honda 4 cylinder engine and the bearings came in graded sizes of 0.1 MM or about 0.0004 Inch. I used plastigauge and kept running back to the dealer for bearings to get the correct ones on each journal and rod (a very accomadating dealer!). The engine ran for another 100,000 miles and three kids learning/driving/abusing it. Must have been close. Tim Murphy's Law Racing TR-4 #317 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "riverside" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > I'd say you did the right thing but came to the wrong conclusion. > First, you can and should use plastiguage across the bearing parting > lines, I generally put it there and in the middle of the top bearing. > Second--most folks wouldn't have found the problem any quicker with an > inside mike--everyone checks the middle anyway. It's not the right > thing to do, but I've seen even good machinists measure only there. > Third, all measurements can lie--if your crank doesn't turn completely > freely there is something wrong that WON'T GET BETTER by itself. > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:15 PM, riverside wrote: > >> Once upon a time, I laid -check that- installed a >> reground crank with nice new standard bearings that checked >> out fine with plastigauge if a bit on the loose side. >> you could barely turn the crank by hand. >> bought a set of bearings from another manufacturer (.001 undersize) >> and installed same. plastigauged snugger as one would expect, >> but crank turned freely now. >> i bought a set of modestly priced micrometers and bore gauges from >> Enco and measured everything. The first set of bearings were >> junk across the parting lines where the plastic could not go. >> Haven't used the stuff since and don't plan on it. >> >> art de armond >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:18:18 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Feb 1 16:42:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it in the legal biz out of habit. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Herrera Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM To: Tim Murphy; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 18:15:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:15:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: FoT, Just got my flow bench numbers today. The machine shop I work with uses a Superflow 600 tester. .100 43 cfm .200 80 .300 108 .400 134 .500 149.3 .550 153.7 .600 147.4 I know that these numbers can vary but I was pleased with our home work bench grinding effort. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:49:23 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:49:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results Message-ID: What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're worthless without that number? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 20:02:52 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:02:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749AB9EF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: > Legal source, in my opinion. Years and years ago, like one hundred> (100) years ago, most transactions were completed based on pre-printed> forms (simpler times). There were blanks for numbers (dollars, etc.) to> be written in followed by blanks with parentheses. I'd suppose this was> because lawyers have handwriting much like doctors. If I were filling> in a form and hand-wrote "three" you'd be damn glad of the parenthetical> notation explaining what the hell that scribble was... We still do it> in the legal biz out of habit.> > Scott B. Thanks, Scott. Figgered it was something like that. John H. (Aitch) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:22:38 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:22:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no idea what you are talking about. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're > worthless > without that number? > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? > NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From john at race-dogs.com Fri Feb 1 20:26:00 2008 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:26:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results References: Message-ID: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results >I have no idea what you are talking about. > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >> worthless >> without that number? >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:34:26 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:34:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> References: <001101c8654b$54f257a0$800101df@jawsxp> Message-ID: <56444cbe853180ea6317ce2cb6a0dec3@wi.rr.com> The exhaust numbers were; .500 107.5 .600 113.0 Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:26 PM, John W wrote: > Also what was the Exhaust numbers compared to the Intake? > Superflow's usually use 28" - but then again I don't like to assume- > > John W. > Spitfire #892 DP > 240z CP > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Washatko" > To: > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Flow Bench Results > > >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: >> >>> What was the depression on those numbers? 10", 28"? They're >>> worthless >>> without that number? >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL >>> Music. >>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? >>> NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >>> 48) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> Jody & Allen Washatko >> N65 W5567 Columbia Road >> Cedarburg, WI. 53012 >> USA >> >> tel. (262) 375-6888 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. >> http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B4CDF74022.8EB78 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:38:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> Message-ID: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the depression number is. Allen On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Allen Washatko wrote: >> I have no idea what you are talking about. >> Allen >> >> > > Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to > actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), > so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the > bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that > where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the > bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor gives > an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. > Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the > estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. > > > Something like that. :) > > Cheers. > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 1 20:50:29 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:50:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group with what I find. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 1 23:25:27 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Results In-Reply-To: <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> References: <47A3E448.2030207@dfn.com> <6afc98352dc595ac76b1340e784d4a90@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: Modern flowbenches are pretty cool and fairly accurate as far as they go, but I used to really enjoy going to Jerry Branch's shop and watching him use his. His air bench blower source was (as I recall) a 6-71 Jimmy blower and a bodacious electric motor that dimmed the lights on the Pike in Long Beach when he lit it off. On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > OK, I understand the concept. I'll check tomorrow to see what the > depression number is. > > Allen > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> Allen Washatko wrote: >>> I have no idea what you are talking about. >>> Allen >>> >>> >> >> Umm, most flow benches do not have the power to pull enough air to >> actually simulate the engine's actual operation (hundreds of SCFM), >> so, there's some sort of correction based on the amount of air the >> bench's blowers can move, based on the depression at the inlet (that >> where the inches factor comes in). The smaller the amount of air the >> bench can move, the more likely it is that the correction factor >> gives >> an inaccurate measurement compared to actual engine operation. >> Generally, the more air the bench equipment can move, the better the >> estimate of CFM moving through the engine in real operation. >> >> >> Something like that. :) >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >> >> > Jody & Allen Washatko > N65 W5567 Columbia Road > Cedarburg, WI. 53012 > USA > > tel. (262) 375-6888 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 07:35:59 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:35:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802021436.m12Ea7AF270389@ns3.geneseo.net> I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my TR4 if shortened. By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. their site is www.revingtontr.com At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group >with what I find. > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot uncle jack From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 2 08:41:06 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <20080202154106.CGXR2859.invictus@[209.143.0.77]> > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how accurate they are. Ted > From: "Jack W. Drews" > Date: Sat Feb 2, 9:35 AM > To: Allen Washatko , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Springs > > I also searched for springs. I was not successful in finding a North > Americn source with any kind of reasonable price or delivery time. I > found that Eibach has an extensive catalog but none to fit Triumphs. > I did find one source of heavy duty TR6 springs that would work in my > TR4 if shortened. > > By far the best source I found was Revington. They had exactly what I > needed and the cost was about $145 for a pair, including shipping. > > their site is > > www.revingtontr.com > > At 09:50 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote: > >Thanks to the many who offered information on custom springs. I'm going > >to check with several of the recommendations and get back to the group > >with what I find. > > > >Allen > > > >Allen & Jody Washatko > >1971 TR6 - Number 6 > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 09:11:47 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:11:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flow Bench Tutorial 101 Message-ID: <3003b27b2f23849435aad446f49159af@wi.rr.com> FoT, I checked with my machine shop this morning regarding the flow bench depression number. They use 28. Anybody care to comment on what this means in terms of cross comparing readings, accuracy, etc.? Also, what do you look for in comparing the readings for exhaust vs. intake? Is there a ratio you shoot for? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 2 10:55:08 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:55:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001301c865c4$bff307b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> > with a three (3) point bore gauge. >I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could >three mean besides 3? With me it's just a carryover from writing engineering reports in the R&D department. They were a little fussy regarding format. Guess I can quit now. Probably goes back to the days when we wrote the reports up by hand and the secretary typed them up; pre-word processor and computer days. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Tim Murphy ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] checking bearing clearances > with a three (3) point bore gauge. I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. John H. From DSPGTi at aol.com Sat Feb 2 11:38:42 2008 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:38:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never driven the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, I'm sure it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in very good shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you would advise against it, right? So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating them with some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in anything environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and the air here in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the ocean. Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just like some material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component protection. I use that on steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. Any advise or experience you could share with me? Dave Y. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:42:25 2008 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:42:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2> <16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: It's a combination of precision and adhering to proper style. Formal newspaper style requires that numbers less than ten be written by name rather than number. Newspaper and magazine reporters, who didn't wish to be spanked by their editors, but who refused to crack the AP book of style to double check (claiming exalted professionalism), started writing both in their articles claiming the number in parentheses confirmed the written number and the editor could just delete the superfluous addition (whichever it was). Of course a lot crept through while the editors were digesting their hydraulic sandwiches (generally a beer and a bump, but at the Times it was certainly three martinis). Lawyers and engineers saw them and thought they were cool, and started using the form. Then the military in their stilted attempt to combine accurate communication with impenetrable jargon adopted it immediately. So fundamentally every lazy, trend following, neo-conservative, lefty, commie, militaristic, geek, ambulance chaser in the world does it from time to time. and of course I made all this up on the fly. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:18 PM, John Herrera wrote: > > with a three (3) point bore gauge. > > I have always wondered why do people do this. Is there some kind of > legal document reason? What could three mean besides 3? > > Do you really think that someone will misinterpret three? Like > three means 4, for example? "Oh, I'm so glad you put that 3 in > parentheses next to three. I thought you meant 4!" > > Where does this come from? It has that Military feel to it. > > John H. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 11:47:48 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:47:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66CE2D91-19AE-4C98-8B9F-230A8DA60CE8@bnj.com> I'd only use them if you really enjoy surprises. I'd bag them with some desiccant, and perhaps give them a nice coating of the clear coat that they use for protecting travel trailers. It's pretty good protection, but a lot of solvents will take it right off. I bet the eastwood stuff is the same thing with a bigger price tag and a smaller can. Magnesium, and magnesium aluminum alloys do a pretty good job of corroding no matter what you do. On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:38 AM, DSPGTi at aol.com wrote: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on > my TR4. > Up till now, I have only used them in short hillcmibs and have never > driven > the car over 80%. Since I will be Vintage Road racing with the car, > I'm sure > it's not a good idea to continue with the Silverstones. They are in > very good > shape and I inspect them often for cracks, but I think most of you > would > advise against it, right? > > So, if I put them in long time storage, should I consider coating > them with > some kind of protection? They will be stored under cover but not in > anything > environmentally controlled. It is often damp in our warehouse and > the air here > in New Jersey is a little corrosive being only 20 miles from the > ocean. > Eastwood has the corrosion protection in a spray can that is just > like some > material that we used in the Navy for aircraft component > protection. I use that on > steel machined parts and it is easy to get off with solvent. > > Any advise or experience you could share with me? > > Dave Y. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Feb 2 12:44:16 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:44:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs Message-ID: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Good advice from Ted. I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, good quality. Try Ted first. I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to consider. Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with bumps. There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what feels best to my hind end. > > Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how > accurate they are. Ted uncle jack From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 2 13:00:20 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:00:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <28D65283-3A10-4BC6-9487-691968BD37D8@bnj.com> I think you answered that question. If you can't fix the whacky suspension geometry then stiff springs are your only option. Stiff springs and a big anti-roll bar is the prescription. It's pretty easy to fix the geometry if your sanctioning body allows it. stock length or a tiny bit longer upper arms and move the inner pivot point inwards however far you need to get the camber your tires require. Late TR4 lower trunnion and upper arms if you want 3 degrees of caster and a better ball joint setup. Then figure out how to get zero bump steer by hook or by crook. Nothing impossible. if you do that you can use softer than stock springs. Good shocks are a must of course. Suspension isn't just for taking up bumps. Stiff springs and a hard roll bar will affect turn-in negatively, as in: it won't. The contact patches move counter to steering input--unhandy. Personally I like having a car that steers, especially in fast corners. On Feb 2, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing > with bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 2 13:49:37 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] checking bearing clearances In-Reply-To: References: <005a01c8650f$37a78760$4a6a0143@your55e5f9e3d2><16D644BC-B056-4314-AC0A-6DE946D757DB@bnj.com> <006701c86517$3f8e4240$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000601c865dd$20446470$9001a8c0@richardiipc> Babcock wrote: "..............and of course I made all this up on the fly." Come on Bill. You could have at least used a pant cuff. From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 2 15:30:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction Message-ID: <20080202224057.LOUF20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> FOT and DCTRA Member... >I received a note from Robert Smith, the DCTRA member who has the >distinction of living the furthest from Phoenix. In his note he >mentions that he has been >working with Kruse Auctions to have a collector car auction in >Hawaii. I checked out the website and sure enough it is scheduled >for later this month! Way to go >Robert!! > >Check it out: >http://www.kruse.com/auctions/hawaii08/index.asp > > >I think I will have to pass on attending this one though... > >Jim From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 2 15:49:06 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:49:06 EST Subject: [Fot] In car Camera System & Halon Fire System Message-ID: Thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone had an in car camera system or Halon fire system they were looking to part with. Thanks, Gary Fuqua **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 2 16:03:28 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Re: Springs In-Reply-To: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802021944.m12JiOTi442099@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <7ab1530a6e366a2e8db1e279e457d944@wi.rr.com> Jack, I am currently running 585 lbs/in in the rear and 385 lbs/in in the front. Stock geometry, 2 1/2 degrees neg camber in the front, 1 1/2 degrees neg camber in the rear, a 1" front bar and a 7/8" rear bar. Spax shocks in the front and the stock lever arms in the back. The car is very neutral and turns in nicely however, it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least 450 lbs/in or more in the front. I know that a certain amount of body roll helps the car turn in so I want to find a balance between this and understeer. I know that the guys in England run high spring rates all around (600). When I talked to Kas about this he seemed to remember that they were running rear rates close to 700 lbs. Of course, tires were different then. I would be curious to know what others are running? Allen On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote: > Good advice from Ted. > > I failed to mention that I had help on this project from Ted > Schumacher. He identified springs he had in stock that could be > modified to approach my specifications. Low price, quick delivery, > good quality. Try Ted first. > > I purchased a set, modified and installed them. I have had a chance > to test them only on a limited basis because the test weekend was cut > short by other problems, but my initial reaction is that the car is > responding positively to stiffer springs. They are in the car at the > minute. I think it's going to be fun to do the comparison. > > I went on to purchase a set of springs from Revington because they > were closer to the rate that I was shooting for. I don't know if the > car will handle any better with them. I'll have to wait until I have > a chance to try them. So if you are looking for a somewhat higher > rate than the popularly used MGB-GT springs, Ted's are some to > consider. > > Of course this raises a point that may provide fodder for discussions > well into Springtime -- how stiff should the springs in a TR4 be? I > know of springs in current race cars that are stock, springs that are > 480 or so (MGBGT) and springs that are 600 lbs/in. Some folks say we > should use relatively soft springs and let the suspension do its job > -- but with the abominable front end geometry we have, one could > question why we would want the front end to move at all from static. > In addition, all the modern tracks we run on are as smooth as glass > (except Grattan, of course) so we're no longer looking at dealing with > bumps. > > There are lots of formulae around to help select spring stiffness. > I've never been smart enough to bring one of those engineering > approaches to completion, so decided to try some things and see what > feels best to my hind end. > > > > >>> Jack, when you receiove the springs, do a rate check. See how >> accurate they are. Ted > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 00:52:20 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:20:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Silverstones Message-ID: Dave Y. asked: > I have an original set of American Racing, magnesium Silverstones on my TR4. My advice is to store them AS FAR from the ocean as possible, preferably in the driest part of the continent. The driest in the US is any altitude above 7,000; in southern New Mexico. It just so happens I have a vacant spot in my garage. Seriously, this is not a daft suggestion. When I lived in San Diego near the ocean, my Pantera had mag Campagnolos that I polished. Polished mag is a sight to behold, and is completely different to polished alloy which looks cheap and shallow by comparison. The polished mag had a depth and luster that needs to be seen to be believed. At first, I needed to polish them EVERY weekend - 2 hours of work. In one week, corrosion had started and the wheels lost their gleam. 2 months later, the wheels would look like I'd never cleaned them in 10 years. Sigh. I got sick of that after a while, and opted for the 10-year old look. Remember, San Diego is pretty dry, but I was close to the ocean. There is really not much you can do. I tried wax, I tried WD-40 (suspiciously sounds like the Eastwood product), I tried clear-coat (will not adhere to polished mag). Best bet is a thick coating of wax and bag them with dessicant. You could backfill the bag with nitrogen.... Shane Ingate, its so dry here you could film Lawrence of Arabia, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 2 19:00:55 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:00:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift References: <008101c86570$8a6f9490$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <003d01c86608$9d534230$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Steve...It sounds to me like the frame is flexing(what kind of car) ? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Preiss" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Feb 3 02:18:22 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <001d01c86645$b9db6940$6402a8c0@HOME> I had this trouble too at my first race: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front suspension spring rate. At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. Have a look now: http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: triumph_marx at freenet.de Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 From: "Steven Preiss" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see photos of the car in tight corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at least... This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear axle (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll to the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel more opportunity to stay in contact with the road? Steve P. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 13:08:25 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:08:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type Message-ID: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Could anyone please tell me how can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model by looking at it externally? I have the numbers off it if that helps. Some other points are that it has what is now a plugged EGR port and the intake attaches with 3 upper bolts (one for each attaching point) and 6 lower clamps (two at each attaching point). The extreme width of the intake manifold where it attaches to the head is approximately 17.5 inches. Thanks for any help on this. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 13:22:18 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How can I tell if the head on my TR6 is early or late model type In-Reply-To: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> References: <001601c866a0$88c40f50$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <47A6227A.4040103@bradakis.com> If it is an EGR port, it is a later head. Also the later heads have the intake ports on 2.2 inch centers, early heads are 1.9. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 3 19:41:17 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction - TR3 Going Up on Auction Message-ID: <20080204025607.QFD20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Here is a note I got from Robert on a TR3 in the upcoming auction in HI. Marty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Feb 2, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [DCTRA] Latest Kruse Auction To: martyclark at gmail.com Hey, Marty. One of our consignees, a retired attorney, is going to auction a very early TR3A, commission number TS24762L. It has title and all provenance books and papers, but is completely apart. The engine was professionally rebuilt, but the car is missing it's gear box (I know where there is a fine Triumph gear box near Las Vegas, and the friend of mine that owns it would sell it to a good home. It will bolt right on). Anyway, this may well be a bargain for someone looking to put together a TR3. This attorney is a "spare no expenses" kind of guy, but has just lost interest in the Triumph project car. May make someone a nice project. Finish it correctly, and you've got a $25,000 plus machine! Thanks, if you can spread the word. I will be available by cell phone at 808-342-1036, and I can assist a long distance bidder by phone, as well as assist with shipping arrangements. I have a feeling this car will sell for the value of the engine alone! Aloha, and Mahalo. Robert ______________________________________________________________ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. *********************************************************** Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite http://www.dctra.org for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and Links to other British Car Sites *********************************************************** From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 12:00:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Found a couple of websites that might help. One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on the mandrel http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. Chuck On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > > > bob, > > did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > > pulley? > > I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > > All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > to making the part a lot less $$$$. > > I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > long after we figured all this out. > > :-( > > I really liked working with that guy. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Chuck Arnold From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:35:31 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi For all on the list that are interested I looked at some crank dampners at the PRI show last year they have a spitfire dampner already and wouild build one for the tr 4 and 6 they are viscus dampers and very very nice in the 300 to 400 range but works of art and the best system to use Rick Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Feb 4 12:39:08 2008 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Forgot the contact info Innovators west crank dampners2816 Centennial rd Salina Kansas 67401 785 825 6166 Richard Junkermeier Chassis Fabrication & High Performance Engines Instructor WyoTech (307) 755-2443 rjunkermeier at wyotech.edu www.wyotech.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 13:09:07 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:09:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Message-ID: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Feb 4 13:50:15 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. Damper only is $600. The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. Worked wonders for my TR6. Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included but available. Regards, Richard Good Good parts Chuck Arnold wrote: >Found a couple of websites that might help. >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on >the mandrel >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > >Chuck > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >> >> >> >>>bob, >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>pulley? >>> >>> >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >> >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >> >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>long after we figured all this out. >> >>:-( >> >>I really liked working with that guy. >> >>rml >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 14:46:37 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00f001c86777$6cc61870$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> My GT6 has an ATI damper that Randy Lamp adapted to my car, originally designed for a Ford straight six motor. Runs great and smooth. I have a Jones Racing toothed belt pulley bolted on the front that drives the WP and alternator. It is a snug fit in the GT6 - not much clearance to radiator and offset electric fan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 >I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > >>Found a couple of websites that might help. >>One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: >>http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 >> >>the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go >>on >>the mandrel >>http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd >>The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 >>proposition. >> >>Chuck >> >>On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>bob, >>>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no >>>>pulley? >>>> >>>> >>>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. >>> >>>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in >>>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the >>>key >>>to making the part a lot less $$$$. >>> >>>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not >>>long after we figured all this out. >>> >>>:-( >>> >>>I really liked working with that guy. >>> >>>rml >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >>>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >>>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 4 15:39:28 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 References: <8cbd782d0802041020i462ab4b0qc40b987ae2eae5f1@mail.gmail.com><8cbd782d0802041100n37d83c17n83382035b91c9648@mail.gmail.com> <47A77A87.2000603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004501c8677e$cdd35ae0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Richard, could you send me the attached photos of the ATI damper. I very interested in one. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Good" To: "Chuck Arnold" Cc: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Aftermarket damper for TR6 > I have ATI Super Damper's in stock that I have made to fit the TR6. I > will soon have the batch of aluminum pulleys done to complete the kits. > The kit will include the damper, choice of fan extension or replacer > washer & bolt, crank pulley, new water pump with aluminum pulley, > alternator pulley and belt. Complete kit will sell for around $900. > Damper only is $600. > > The ATI damper is a rubber isolated damper in a steel shell. The timing > marks are on the shell which is solid to the crank and cannot slip. > Worked wonders for my TR6. > > Photo of installed damper attached. Two piece timing cover not included > but available. > > Regards, > Richard Good > Good parts > > Chuck Arnold wrote: > > >Found a couple of websites that might help. > >One has several dampers for the for 4-6 cyl engines: > >http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_39 > > > >the other has mandrals that bolt to the damner and v-bely pullies that go on > >the mandrel > >http://www.jonesracingproducts.com/csDh.html#frd > >The secret is to find the correct sizes. Still probably a $700 proposition. > > > >Chuck > > > >On Feb 4, 2008 10:24 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Chuck Arnold wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>bob, > >>>did the ford part have a v-belt pulley, or is it just a damper with no > >>>pulley? > >>> > >>> > >>I never did see a part. But I suspect that is was just the dampener. > >> > >>All I can recall for detail was that it is some motor that is used in > >>racing and the machinist implied that it was off the shelf. That's the key > >>to making the part a lot less $$$$. > >> > >>I'll dig around and see what I can figure out. The machinist retired not > >>long after we figured all this out. > >> > >>:-( > >> > >>I really liked working with that guy. > >> > >>rml > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >>Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > >>Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > >>Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATI Damper installed .JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mini at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 4 19:13:05 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? In-Reply-To: <000001c86769$cca74380$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <000201c8679c$a8485190$6400a8c0@home> Sorry, but these cars have a hard enough time keeping their fluids inside, so I feel the only good way to "revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals" is to replace them. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jim hearn Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:09 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] What refreshes o-rings? Does silicone spray do the best to revive and freshen up o-rings and rubber seals or is something else better? Jim in Sacramento Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 08:57:18 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:57:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <000401c8680f$d2c2d080$b1191718@computer> Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the TR6? Where is the best mounting location? Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 10:14:29 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift Message-ID: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Tue Feb 5 11:38:54 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (chris at tr4-racing.de) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:38:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift In-Reply-To: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020520081714.6917.47A89975000126E600001B0522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <1867101036-1202236766-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-743094880-@bxe003.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> You should think about a welded diff. It made my car a lot faster. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing at att.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:14:29 To:"Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] inside wheel lift I have the swaybars and still get a lot of lift most notably at Sears Point (ok Infinion). We lowered the car during the post season so I don't know yet if that will help. I know that some guys have swithch to some type of locking read end as a solution. Gary- are you following this thread? Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "Marx Christian tr4-racing" : -------------- > I had this trouble too at my first race: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2004/colmer/DSC_0084_ex.jpg > Like a sailingboat at strong half wind. > > I cured it with swaybars at front and rear and I brought up the front > suspension spring rate. > At the rear I still use the standard leaf springs. > Have a look now: > http://www.tr4-racing.de/pic/2006/rgb/217-6901a_ex.jpg > > Cheers > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Drews > To: triumph_marx at freenet.de > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:49 AM > Subject: Fwd: [Fot] inside wheel lift > > > > > Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com > X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); > Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:20 -0600 > X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net > Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:52:20 +1100 > From: "Steven Preiss" > To: > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Subject: [Fot] inside wheel lift > X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 > List-Id: Friends of Triumph > List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/archive> > List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, > < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> > Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 > autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 > X-Spam-Level: > > > ...it seems that I'm lifting the rear inside wheel too much when I see > photos > of the car in tight > corners. There still seems to be too much body roll. I assume that it > is the springs. I'll be adding additional rate this year to the springs > in hopes of reducing lift. I plan to go to 600 lbs/in rear and at > least... > > > > This seems counter-intuitive to me. If the body were fixed to the rear > axle > (unsprung) and encountered the centrifugal force of cornering, the inside > wheel would have to lift, since the car's center of gravity is above the > axis of the wheels. However if there was the ability for the body to roll > to > the outside under those cornering forces, wouldn't that alleviate the > overturning forces being generated, thereby allowing the inside wheel > more > opportunity to stay in contact with the road? > Steve P. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 5 14:02:42 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:02:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <020520082102.23264.47A8CEF200010C8F00005AE022218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jim, I have mine mounted in the tire well in my TR-4A. It makes a nice clean installation that can be securely straped down. I think one of the standard sizes fit so there is no need to special order. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from "jim hearn" : -------------- > Is there a size and type of fuel cell that is particularly adapted to the > TR6? Where is the best mounting location? > > Thanks, Jim in Sacrmento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name > of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Feb 5 17:06:19 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? Message-ID: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. TIA Jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96.7% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 5 17:29:54 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:29:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 40 DCOE float setting? In-Reply-To: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JVS00L2JJ0L9VX4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <43619E87-4EBC-44F4-A580-03EE64CBCF4B@bnj.com> Get the floats parallel to the gasket surface and you're in the ballpark. Best way to set them is with the carb assembled and full of gas. Take out the jet and look down the hole with a flashlight. You should see the gasoline right at the cross drilled hole. it helps to blow gently into the tube (don't put your lips on it, just blow downwards gently) to push the gas down and then let it rise again. If it's too high or low you'll see it immediately and you can re-set the float accordingly. On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:06 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone know the proper float setting for 40 DCOE 151s with plastic > floats? All my books spec the setting based on metal floats. Also, > from what datum is the setting measured? I'd assume (uh oh!) the tip > of the trapezoidal-shaped float farthest from the fulcrum. > > TIA > > Jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96.7% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 23:48:14 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hoosier Speedsters Message-ID: <8B39DA40-3E10-4F62-9CB4-6354DDC60D28@earthlink.net> Hello all, Soliciting feedback on Hoosier Speedsters 205/60/15. I pretty much know what to expect for grip vs. the Hoosier SM's I've been running. Wet &/or street use is what I'm curious about. Anyone put enough street miles on them to know how they wear? Anyone used them as a "rain" race tire? Tried shaving them for dry track use? Anyone dislike them enough that they want to off a used set? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque N.M. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 6 09:29:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] British parts..and THANKS Message-ID: <000e01c868dd$7a6d1750$0302a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I want to say THANKS! to all of you who have been bidding on/buying the Spitfire parts that I have been listing on Ebay.....Well...I just acquired a large quantity of British Car Stuff....Parts, manuals, etc..much of it is NOS...there is way too much to explain here..the listings will start within the hour..the 1st item is a NOS Tr6 Koni shock conversion kit(Moss Motors) Thanks to all of you for helping me 'Revel In Old Car Parts'...Man is this FUN!...Wooohoo! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 my Ebay user name is budscarco From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 10:27:40 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 cam question Message-ID: <47A9EE0C.3020803@bradakis.com> Here it is February already, just over two weeks before the Beach Party. But to the point, warmer spring weather is not too far away, time to get a Spit on the street. One thing I'll be doing is getting a TSI275 cam for the 1500 motor. My question, however, relates to using this grind in a TR6. Does anyone have experience with it in a street TR6? How does it compare to the Goodparts GP2 cam? We have a customer who needs a new cam for his 6, he may have already talked to Richard about a GP2. What other street grinds for the 6 might folks recommend? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 09:02:23 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 13:43:27 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 8 13:54:06 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. I guess I missed that chapter. :-) Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through the cockpit. Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if I go to get my car approved for road racing. > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. Something about the application expanding to utilize all available resources. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 8 13:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:55:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <069DDFCB-DA9B-4798-B531-9DC8A19AF837@bnj.com> Garages are always too small. On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, >> I'll replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used > it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN > fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some > point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:19:32 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:19:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: Message-ID: <000f01c86a98$4d699f00$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Weather it makes scence or not my breaded fuel line runs threw the cockpit on the right side floor from fire wall to fire wall so far (5yrs) the SCCA is ok with it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Shane Ingate" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 14:46:33 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SCCA survey Message-ID: <003f01c86a9d$deeea290$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> I am trying to answer the current SCCA survey for chooseing a new track to hold the runoff at and can only get to question 5 I can not get past ? # 5 is it me or them thanks rob From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 15:25:54 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:25:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, I'm using the blue hose and push-on fittings. The only way to remove the hose is to slice the line. Running the gas line through the cockpit is frequent amongst the road racers I know. Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Shane Ingate wrote: > >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > I guess I missed that chapter. :-) > > Actually, I have braided stainless right now but want to switch to > something when I re-route everything. I'm guessing the road race > scrutineers won't like my setup with the braied stainless running > through > the cockpit. > > Is anyone using the push-on aerosquip stuff for fuel lines? I used it > for > the vent lines, but I tried taking one off one time and I literally > had to > cut it off the fitting. I'll bet those hoses can take pressures well > about > 200 p.s.i. I'm talking about the blue hose and the push-on AN fittings. > I'm only asking 'cause I'll have to deal with this issue at some point > if > I go to get my car approved for road racing. > >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > Good luck on the garage thing. I have a three car. It's too small. > Something about the application expanding to utilize all available > resources. > > rml > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 15:54:12 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: SCCA Needs Your Input Message-ID: <006401c86aa5$8652caa0$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> tHIS IS IT rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Ozment To: 19to1tr6 at COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:07 AM Subject: SCCA Needs Your Input SCCA is conducting a survey of all Nationally-licensed drivers regarding the future location of the SCCA National Championship Runoffs. The results of this survey will be taken into serious consideration in determining future venues for the Runoffs. This is an event to crown the driver champions, so your input is of extreme importance. Your answers will be counted and you will not receive another version of this survey, so please answer honestly. Please fill it out as soon as it is convenient. Thank you for taking the time to help us improve your racing program. 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Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 8 17:44:14 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to hurt the line. Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now I've jinxed myself. - Tony At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >related question: > >What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > >Thanks again, Jim >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Feb 8 18:10:03 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:10:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <016301c86ab8$801ab5e0$d214c548@RW> No jinx. That is how you do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 18:29:04 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar moment of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver about rotation. ;) Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance noticeably over the stock location over the axle. Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, in NM From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 Shane, I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my mind it is a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > Jim Hearn asked: > > > What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? > > Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? > > I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons > is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal location > as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is LOW. > > For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll replace > with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. > > Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 8 19:57:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: References: <020920080022.8832.47ACF25B000A97FB0000228022230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: Ron, Polar Moment of Inertia = Big Lever Allen On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > Ron, > > Hanging a big weight outside of the wheelbase increases the polar > moment > of inertia, making the car easier to rotate. Ask any Porsche driver > about > rotation. ;) > > Moving the cell behind the axle does not improve the balance > noticeably over > the > stock location over the axle. > > Shane Ingate, learned everything about PMoI in Panteras the hard way, > in NM > From: westerneagleracing at att.net > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to > the > TR6? > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:22:52 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > Shane, > I have my fuel cell in the TR4A mounted in the spare wheel well > as well. But I don't understand your comment about location. In my > mind it is > a good way to get weight to the back for better balance. > Ron Jacobs > Western > Eagle Racing > > -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : > -------------- > > >> Jim Hearn asked: >> >>> What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the >>> car? >>> Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >> I mount my 15 gallon Fuel Safe in the spare wheel well. 15 gallons >> is a lot, but I do a lot more than 30 min sprints. Not an ideal >> location >> as it puts a lot of weight behind the real wheels, but at least it is >> LOW. >> >> For now I am using armored rubber lines. When I can afford it, I'll >> replace >> with braided. Carrol Smith is adamant that hard lines not be used. >> >> Shane Ingate, getting bids for the garagmahal, in NM >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Climb to the top > of the charts! 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(262) 375-6888 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 07:47:42 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> <20080209004425.CEB77187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001701c86b2a$ba61f700$0200a8c0@Desktop> Why use aeroquip, why not Kevlar line it will not conduct electric Pass it thru aluminum tubing in cockpit Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? > 12 gal ATL cell (I think, may be 15 gal), in spare tire well (TR-4, > but similar location to TR-6), Aeroquip steel braided line, -6 size, > through the cockpit on passenger side next to rocker panel to > front. I think 3/8" is the minimum ID you normally want to run to > avoid starvation problems. Something really bad has to happen to > hurt the line. > > Fuel pump and BIG Fram fuel filter is in the trunk, regulator is in > the engine compartment. Holley blue pump with matching > regulator. We've been through other pump / regulator combo's before > we arrived at this relatively trouble-free setup. Of course, now > I've jinxed myself. > > - Tony > > At 10:02 AM 2/8/2008, jim hearn wrote: >>Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more >>related question: >> >>What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? >>Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? >> >>Thanks again, Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 08:57:39 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:57:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Message-ID: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to fuel spills. m M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 09:46:15 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5A450865-1704-49BA-97D7-0C685DD0CEBF@bnj.com> You're pretty relaxed about this stuff, eh? Or maybe your tongue is stuck firmly in one cheek? That's about a hundred pounds of variable weight, stuck in the very back of the car, sloshing around. I think that's a great idea for the Porsche drivers. On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Gasket Works USA wrote: > I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. > Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure > to fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From malaboge at aol.com Sat Feb 9 09:47:25 2008 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:47:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <001d01c86a6b$fe7a4510$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <8CA3952951B98E1-1168-71A2@webmail-nb07.sysops.aol.com> Jim- Dash 6 AN all the way. Inside the car to keep the lines away from the "rough stuff". Double pumps and big fuel filter, regulator at the fire wall. Known to race "agricultrually" from time to time... ?????????????? Nick in Nor Cal ???????? -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 8:02 am Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? Thanks for all the great responses on this question. I have one more related question: What type of gas line do you run from the rear to the front of the car? Is it steel, aluminum, steel braided flex hose or just what? Thanks again, Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 9 10:07:53 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:07:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> To keep a consistent performance the weight and location should be as close as possible equal each time on the track. Why lug around extra gasoline and reduce your acceleration and braking. Take the time to test properly what your mileage is on the track then do the math for every on-track period. It was my habit when installing a fuel cell to make a "fuel stick" at the first filling. In most cases you need to cut a 2" square the depth of the foam so the fuel stick can be positioned without touching the foam. Then pour a half gallon into the dry bladder and mark the stick, another half gallon and mark the stick. I would then transfer the marked distances to a piece of thin wall conduit and make the marks with a tubing cutter so the mark was inscribed into the tube. With this preparation you always know what you used for a given number of laps and what is remaining in the tank. The fuel stick had a secure spot in the trunk area so there were never any excuses about "who lost the stick? or why it was still back in the shop". Consistent weight gives a much better chance of consistent performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works USA" Cc: "Shane Ingate" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? >I would get the largest fuel cell that can fit. 18-24 gal is best. >Sometimes the big bore folks have fuel cells for sale at reduced rate. > > Just fill it up before the first race and you don't have to bother > thereafter. Just one less deal to check off and less toxic exposure to > fuel spills. > > > > m > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > gmt-8 Pacific time > 626.358.1616 voice > 626.628.3777 fax > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:35:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 EST Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph Message-ID: FoT: This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen in September. Regards, Joe Alexander > Joe, > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > to BeaveRun. > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > class all weekend. > Ralph Steinberg > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 9 11:44:08 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:44:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What size and shape of fuel cell is best suited to the TR6? In-Reply-To: <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> References: <22489191.4741861202572659259.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> <000f01c86b3e$4f349690$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <20080209184411.AF600187658@autox.team.net> I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 11:52:23 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:52:23 EST Subject: [Fot] Fuel Tanks and Size Matters Message-ID: > I used a 12 gallon cell so I would be able to put in enough gas to > run a 1 hr enduro without a refill. With a 7 gal cell completely > full, you get about 45 minutes, depending on the track. > > - Tony > Yup, I have a 10 gallon cell and it requires added fuel in a one hour enduro at Road America. Of course I have run out of fuel twice, even though I knew that. :-) My 10 gallon tank does fit nicely between chassis members, so it can be lowered further than the trunk bottom. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:29:03 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <004f01c86b5a$69ce1000$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 9 13:51:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:51:35 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: Racer Bud, This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in 2009 with a car. It is not too early to promote an event. Joe Alexander > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:53:13 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:53:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: Dear FOT, About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmissi on back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands, the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that th e only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least this clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 13:22:53 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:22:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG TRIUMPH EVENT... Message-ID: <004201c86b59$8ce52cf0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi CSRG Board of Directors/Officers..will you please present to the board the idea of having Triumph as a featured Marque at one of our races..probably in 2009 to allow enough time for planning... The general idea would be to attract as many Triumphs, and Triumph Powered cars as possible..and we would allow Triumphs newer than 1967(Spitfire..Tr6..TR7..TR8, etc) for this special event..considering the Enthusiasm of the FOT(Friends of Triumph), I am quite sure that we could easily fill a grid with Triumph/Triumph Powered Racers. Thanks, Bud DeLauer..Spitfire #21......Racer Bud From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:35:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:35:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures Message-ID: You're scaring the hell out of me since I just bought a new one! 7.25"? What car is it in? **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:46:46 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:46:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 1) Message-ID: Dear FOT, (The moderator monster refused to let my dissertation go through. I will try to send it in two chapters.) About fifteen years ago, I bought a Tilton aluminum flywheel/clutch system from Dave Webber of Melvern Racing. This clutch setup has worked flawlessly through many rebuilds and engine blowups until recently, when I did something stupid. I did not change the driven disc in time. The lining disappeared from the driven disc causing the clutch to slip, resulting in the pressure plate heating and warping. My machinist told me that he could get another pressure plate from a warehouse, which he did. We installed the clutch, and struggled the transmission back into the car. After starting the car on jack stands the clutch shifted several times and then quit working. Out with the transmission again, and the ears on the pressure plate were bent. They had caught on the little buttons in the faceplate. At that time, I figured that the machinist had furnished me with the wrong pressure plate (much lighter than my original pressure plate). After contacting both Tilton and their main supplier, Taylor Engineering; I learned much to my discouragement that I had Tilton's updated modern pressure plate, which has replaced the heavier one. Both Taylor and Tilton told me that I was bending the ears when I installed the pressure plate. If this were true, why did the clutch shift several times and then quit working? I had also installed the heavier pressure plate many times down through the years and never bent the ears on it. I asked Taylor if they could furnish me with the previous heavier pressure plate. After looking around their shop and not finding one, I was told that the only way they were able to get this heavier pressure plate in the past for customers was to order it from other distributors who might happen to have one. The last time that they tried, they couldn't get one. This seems to indicate that other people were having the same problems with that new flimsy pressure plate. I have been using the stock throw-out bearing, which was used with the stock diaphragm Triumph clutch. This bearing is bigger in diameter than the bearing recommended by Tilton. I had found out years ago that Jack Wheeler was using this bearing, so I continued on using it. Both Tilton and Taylor told me that it was acceptable to use this bearing. It just made a difference in how hard you had to push the pedal. (Continue to Chapter 2)


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(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Feb 9 14:47:25 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:47:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) Message-ID: (Start with Chapter 1) I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my faceplate. The springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend if I over stroked the unit. After receiving back my clutch parts and getting the new faceplate, we installed the new faceplate with a new driven disc (a few more grunt hours installing the transmission). We could not make the new face plate disengage, even after first rebuilding the master and slave cylinders, and then installing new ones. My machinist told me to bolt the new faceplate and driven disc down on the flywheel that I am using, and bring them out. He will put the unit in a press to see if it will disengage. It did disengage with a lot of pressure using the stock throw out bearing. He then used a smaller throw out bearing, and it released with about half of the pressure. I furnished him with an empty transmission case with linkage, guide tube, and throw out bearing. He is presently going to try to make me a spacer to accommodate a smaller diameter throw out bearing. Some material may have to be removed from the guide tube. I also had him remove enough material from the heavier warped pressure plate to make it true, and to remove the same amount of material from the mounting points of the old face plate. In desperation, we installed this system and at least the clutch now disengages. We will not know if this system will work until the car is on the track again (or will it slip with the modifications and over-stroked springs?). We also worked with the free-play to assure that the clutch disengages near the floor, trying to prevent over stroking. Tilton did tell me that they were coming out with a heavier pressure plate in the spring - another indication that others are having problems with the new flimsy pressure plate. >From the vast knowledge of this list, would anybody be willing to offer advice, recommendations, thoughts, insults on what we are doing wrong, etc.? ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 25 48) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 9 14:56:44 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel cylinders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c86b66$a98c9ca0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> I am in the process of re-building my weeping TR-6 boosted master cylinder in my TR-4. I'll also install braided brake lines just for fun. So my question is, do any of you guys rebuild wheel cylinders that don't leak? Mine are 10 years old with about 35 races. In terms of reliability and function, their history has been exemplary. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 15:32:14 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Marty > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 21:41:26 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:41:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph References: Message-ID: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get confused! Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy laps. And the passengers love it. Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > FoT: > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if there > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run this > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good business, > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph Marque > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the Glen > in September. > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > Joe, > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > to BeaveRun. > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > class all weekend. > > Ralph Steinberg > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Feb 9 22:07:47 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:07:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Party time! Message-ID: <47AE86A3.8000902@bradakis.com> Yikes, well into February and finally getting around to an announcement about the annual Fat Chance Garage Beach Party. Coming right up, the festivities are planned for Saturday evening, Feb. 23rd, starting about 7 pm. While years past have often seen a unifying theme of some sort to the gathering, this year you are on your own for inspiration. Head down to the thrift store for that perfectly tacky, shapeless, floral motif garment. Grab some garish shades at the dollar store, dig out that floppy old sun hat you'd swear you'd never wear in public and prep yourself for a grand old time once again. Don't worry, there won't be a Beach Boys karaoke contest - at least not THIS year! As usual, bring a potluck dish of some sort to share if so inclined, adult beverages and whatever special soft drinks the kids want. Who knows what the weather will be like that evening, but maybe we'll provide some slow smoked pulled pork, or brisket, or perhaps a pot of chicken-habanero chili. We shall see. What: Annual Beach Party When: Saturday, February 23rd, 7pm Where: 739 Park Street ( 739 south, 540 east, Salt Lake City ) Who: You and anyone else who desires to attend Why: To have some fun! Web: http://bradakis.com/Beach See you there! mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 09:12:12 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:12:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell Message-ID: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jsnook at wcnet.org Sun Feb 10 12:03:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <002e01c86c17$b074c770$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey Jim, I have an ATL (I think) fuel cell with a fuel sender installed and hooked it up to my original TR3 fuel gauge. Got tired of the stick thing. Works great when sitting in the paddock, but reads pretty funky when on the track! Sorry I don't know anything about the ohms. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell I may be using a fuel cell that has a gas gauge. The specs are that the gas gauge registers from empty to full with 0 to 90 ohms. Does anyone know what the range is on the TR6 gauge? I would quite happy with a relative reading (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this gauge will work but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Feb 10 14:16:35 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:16:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Feb 10 16:47:48 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:47:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton Clutch Adventures (Chapter 2) In-Reply-To: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> References: <200802102116.m1ALGgQi041149@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002d01c86c3f$57a527c0$6401a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> I had the same experience this summer on my TR6. I have a "Weird hitch in my giddy up" (yes I'm from Texas) that I must screw something up first and read directions only as a last resort. The Tilton website has instructions for the clutch and throwout bearing that you should read before you try to use their setup. The clutch pedal stop is a must to keep from over stroking the clutch. Mine works like a charm now. Now it's onto screwing something else up, Mike -----Original Message----- Thanks for sharing this with the list. I am dealing with a car that has a Tilton clutch and was unaware of this potential problem. Knowing about it will probably save a damaged clutch in this car. At 03:47 PM 2/9/2008, WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: >(Start with Chapter 1) > >I mailed my clutch parts to Taylor for inspection, and ordered a new >faceplate and driven disc. He informed me that I had over stroked my >faceplate. > The >springs should be replaced. I do not disagree with this. My machinist showed >me how the flimsy pressure plate fingers would catch on the buttons and bend >if I over stroked the unit. uncle jack From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 10 20:01:01 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:01:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Walter Hollowell Message-ID: I've been trying to contact Walter Hollowell but have had no response for some time. Anybody been in touch with Walter? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From britbits at tiu.net Sun Feb 10 21:26:09 2008 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Message-ID: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV block FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. A quote from the gent: "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It only stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a difference in group racing." Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal meth lab? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM 1500 autocrosser and too many other toys ;) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 10 21:35:00 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:35:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> Message-ID: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 22:12:04 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:12:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <841573.67699.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I've got an FK motor sitting in my garage that I won't take any amount of money for; mainly because I haven't been able to find anyone to give me any money for it. Ernie Charly Mitchel wrote: Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a '71 Spitfire MK IV > block > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. It's interesting as he's > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, complete and running. > > A quote from the gent: > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to me by a group 44 driver > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's large journals and the > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh race modifications. It > only > stands to reason that the mods to the block for that one year made a > difference in group racing." > > Should I contact the local police department so they can raid his crystal > meth lab? > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > and too many other toys ;) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 10 23:37:57 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> References: <000b01c86c66$3abc92c0$26e435cf@jrg> <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <004501c86c78$a3b4a760$0202a8c0@newcomputer> FP motor eh? I gave one of those away rather than have an engine that was previously in am MG anywhere close to one of my Spits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:35 PM To: Jim; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom Yes, by all means report him. BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're interested. I also have the more desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought after FP motors. I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing to part with them for a fraction of the actual value. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 06:47:35 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 05:32 PM 2/9/2008, marty sukey wrote: >In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same >weekend. If it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. > >Marty Marty, We run three days of vintage racing with Friday being a test and tune day and on Saturday and Sunday we also have a lively Auto Cross event going on. If you join in the auto cross festivities you will also become part of the Vintage Weekend and can partake of the festivities offered to driver and crews Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun > >---------- > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:35:35 -0500 > > To: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > > > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to > refuse if there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning > to run this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. > It's good business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the > Triumph Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up > for the Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >---------- >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! >Learn more. From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 9 23:23:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:23:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. Had a blast there too. We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:41 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a > great > time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good > paddock, clean > rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I > think > the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get > confused! > Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. > If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the > charity > rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race > car. (The > 427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a > few easy > laps. And the passengers love it. > Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me > know. > And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM > Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of > Triumph > > >> FoT: >> >> This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to >> refuse if > there >> are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars > might >> be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no >> guarantees here. >> >> Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, >> below. We >> would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning >> to run > this >> event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's >> good > business, >> for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. >> >> There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph > Marque >> to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up >> for the > Glen >> in September. >> >> Regards, Joe Alexander >> >> >>> Joe, >>> Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars >>> to BeaveRun. >>> Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! >>> What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or >>> so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race >>> groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will >>> cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest >>> V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. >>> On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We >>> can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special >>> parking >>> for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. >>> If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that >>> are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only >>> class all weekend. >>> Ralph Steinberg >>> PVGPA Director of Competition >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:29:21 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 01:23 AM 2/10/2008, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, Peyote was there. Neat track, very fun for small cars and the >folks are superry accommodating. They let me run with the big bore >guys and i had a blast. The festivities around the PVGP are world >class, and PVGP is a hoot, though it's a decidedly hazardous track. >Had a blast there too. > >We did the charity ride arounds using Diane's Bentley. some folks >were hesitant to ride in the great big car when there were race cars >available, but the Bentley has 535 HP and 530 ft/lbs of torque, four >wheel drive, the biggest brakes ever installed on a production car, >and with the suspension turned to "Sport" it handles extremely well >for a three ton car. We routinely closed up on the pukka race cars >in the straights, and and getting stuffed into the seat by the >acceleration while getting a massage from the selfsame seat is >something to be experienced. we had some happy riders who felt thy >had gotten their $20 worth. and they were probably right--I'm pretty >sure I took that much out of the tires each lap. > >A highly recommended event. we also found the people in and around >Pittsburgh to be the nicest, friendliest folks we met on our trip. > > Ah, one of my fondest memories is of you standing in your car in an elegant Tuxedo as we did a photo shoot of American Specials on the false grid. Now if you would have run the Bentley around the track in that same suit all we would have needed is a black helicopter to pop in over the hills and we could imagine Bond, James Bond, behind the wheel. Thanks for coming Ralph Steinberg From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Feb 10 07:24:24 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <01f901c86b9f$32d48620$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: At 11:41 PM 2/9/2008, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: >Hi all, I did this event last July (my third ever race!) and had a great >time. Nice track, friendly people, reasonable entry fee, good paddock, clean >rest rooms/showers, and close to home (for me). I'd recommend it. I think >the Peyote was there. Maybe it was a coyote, I'm getting old and get >confused! >Hey Jack and Tony, come on over, it's not that far from you guys. >If you come and have a passenger seat, be sure to take part in the charity >rides at lunch. Spectators pay $20 to ride for a lap in your race car. (The >427 Cobra was $25). The money goes to charity and you get to do a few easy >laps. And the passengers love it. >Ralph is a great guy to work with. If I can be of assistance, let me know. >And yes, it's on my schedule for this year. >Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie, PA Vintage TR6 >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM >Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph > Thank you Bill for your endorsement of our event. Let me fill you all in with a little more history of the PVGPA and BeaveRun in particular. The PVGPA started 25 years ago when a group of crazy people decided a neat way to help some people who could really use some help (our Charities the Autism Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny School) and have a blast doing it would be to have a street race through Schenley Park. Well some how or another it happened and we have been working on it ever since. I cam to my first event in 1990 working on Dave Milling's SS 100 Jaguar. A year or two later I raced that same car on the streets of Pittsburgh and have been hooked or ever. Some where along the line John Jacobson shanghaied me into helping him with the event. He was the VSCCA Chairmen of the event and under his careful eye it grew into a world class event attracting cars from all over United States and from across the pond. The real brains and driving force behind the entire event is Mike Connolly who gives himself completely to this event. He has marshalled and cajoled the city and its recourses behind this event and has put together an army of passionate workers, who I may add work for no more than lunch! Well between Mike and Jake I got hooked on the real reason of this event, our charities and the great people who either by bringing out their cars or volunteering or coming to watch make this the most unique vintage racing event in the world. One day, much to my surprise I became the VSCCA chairperson of the Vintage Race at Schenley Park and during this time Mike and I came up with the concept of the Historic Races at BeaveRun. Mike had already grew the event into a week long combination of car shows, cruising nights and a small rally that all ended with the Grand Prix. So what better way to add to this event than to start of with Historic Races at a venue where we could show off all of the cars that can not run the small tight course of the Grand prix or for what ever reasons did not meet the requirements of the VSCCA. Well 5 years ago (this will be our fifth) Mike and I opened up the Historic Races at BeaveRun. That first year was almost a heartbreaker. I think we managed to come up with about 45 cars, though they had an inkling of what was to come since if I remember correctly we ran the gamut from a few old Jags and an Abarth or two to GT40 and Cobras! The following year the VRG came on board and with it the expertise of Mark Plamer who many of you may know from MGVR or the Chair of the Turkey Bowl. We have not looked back. My wife, Candy, has pretty much stopped racing but has taken over many of the things that need to be done to keep the event going. Like making sure I know where I am and remember to eat and such. She also runs the Charity rides and to make it even more impressive she charges $10 per ride and in two 45 minute sessions each day (Saturday & Sunday) she raised $3000.00 with the help of all of our drivers and volunteers. And I am never sure who has a bigger grin on their face the driver or the little kid who just did his first lap in a race car! Over the 25 years that the PVGPA has been in operation we have handed close to 2.5 million dollars to our charities. And no that is not raised but what we have given them after the track is paid for, the streets cleaned up, the rescue people paid for and the last light turned out. So I want you to come on out and race or auto cross or just show off your car and watch at one of the best vintage events anywhere in the world. And you get the nice feeling of helping others that need our help right here at home. Did I mention that you do not even make your check out to the VRG but to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association, a fully tax deduct able organization. So come on out Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun > > FoT: > > > > This is an offer, from Ralph Steinberg, that might be hard to refuse if >there > > are 20 candidates (or not) to run BearRun in July (12/13) Some cars >might > > be eligible to run the Pittsburgh Grand Prix, too, but no guarantees here. > > > > Please read Ralph Steinberg's very kind and compelling offer, below. We > > would need a 'Champion' to pull it together. If you are planning to run >this > > event, anyway, give it a shot at pulling some folks together. It's good >business, > > for all of us, to have this kind of Triumph Exposure. > > > > There's no doubt that we (The FOT) have taken respect for the Triumph >Marque > > to a higher level. This one way of doing it. And a good tune up for the >Glen > > in September. > > > > Regards, Joe Alexander > > > > > > > Joe, > > > Last summer we talked about getting a bunch of Triumph powered cars > > > to BeaveRun. > > > Well I need to set my schedule and I want Triumphs! > > > What I would like to do, unless you can promise me more than 20 or > > > so like powered Triumphs, is to put your cars into the various race > > > groups they would fit into for the weekend. We have groups that will > > > cover all of the Triumphs from the smallest Spitfire to the quickest > > > V8 and classes for Triumph powered specials. > > > On Sunday we will have a feature 15 lap Triumph power only race. We > > > can also arrange a Triumph section in the paddock and special parking > > > for Triumph drivers who drive their Triumph out to watch us race. > > > If you let me know very soon that you can have 20+ Triumphs that > > > are alike enough in power and handling I will give you a TR only > > > class all weekend. > > > Ralph Steinberg > > > PVGPA Director of Competition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Feb 11 00:46:20 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:46:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] roller rockers from TS auto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080211074619.YAI8361.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Chasing Ted to buy some roller rockers. Is this the correct email for him???? Ted Schumacher [tedtsimx at bright.net] If you happen to be reading this Ted, please contact me . thanks Terry O'Beirne From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 11 08:01:08 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends of Triumph In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 11 08:44:22 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:44:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the winter boredom In-Reply-To: <022201c86c67$7707cb90$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <748227.94680.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, the FM block is from the 1500, and it doesn't always have the best reputation. The FK and FH(?) blocks are the MK IV blocks, so neither one has the big journals. ISTR that the MK 3 id the desirable block. Doug Mitchell --- Charly Mitchel wrote: > Yes, by all means report him. > BTW, I have a complete FK motor if you're > interested. I also have the more > desirable FM motor and even of the highly sought > after FP motors. > I know these are worth quite a bit, but I'm willing > to part with them for a > fraction of the actual value. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:26 PM > Subject: [Fot] Fun Spitfire question to break the > winter boredom > > > > I've been in contact lately with a gent offering a > '71 Spitfire MK IV > > block > > FK xxxxx HE for sale, purportedly for race use. > It's interesting as he's > > asking more for the block than I paid for my car, > complete and running. > > > > A quote from the gent: > > > > "The 71 FK block was a block that was suggested to > me by a group 44 driver > > from the late 60's and early 70's because of it's > large journals and the > > quality of the block metal to stand up to harsh > race modifications. It > > only > > stands to reason that the mods to the block for > that one year made a > > difference in group racing." > > > > Should I contact the local police department so > they can raid his crystal > > meth lab? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim > > Dallas > > '76 DM 1500 autocrosser > > and too many other toys ;) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name of DSC05749.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu Mon Feb 11 10:18:57 2008 From: jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu (jsukey at eng.utoledo.edu) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <380-220082111171857683@M2W039.mail2web.com> Bob, Are you aware that the Toledo Pro Solo just happens to be the weekend prior to the PVGP? Hitting up two events while you are out this way might make that haul easier to justify......or a lot harder....either way, I think its a great idea. Jason Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Lang lang at isis.mit.edu Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:08 -0500 (EST) To: trmarty at hotmail.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, marty sukey wrote: > In one of the years past they ran an autox at the track the same weekend. If > it falls the same weekend again team Sukey will bring the TR6 up. Ditto for me. BeaveRun is a haul for me, but it might be worth it if there's a reasonable autox. > Marty rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 11 18:11:08 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph Message-ID: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> It bounced the first time so here it is again! JVV > FOT, > I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. > > Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent track > time too. > > One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the > Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western > Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have been > doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for the year > and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't get a > better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our > contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well and we > are proud to be a part of the event every year. > > It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not enjoy > Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. > > Jerry Van Vlack > > PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the > Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh stop > by and see us at Watkins Glen. From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 11 22:09:33 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:09:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track >> time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been >> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year >> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >> get a >> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >> and we >> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy >> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >> Pittsburgh stop >> by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 12 08:29:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the FriendsofTriumph Message-ID: <3B856842.7A181A04.00159EE9@cs.com> EXACTLY! I have attended twice. In addition to having good friends in the area, the beauty of city is exciting. And there is a great enthusiasm. Long term events like this wont last without a lot of folks behind it. >I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg >is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. >Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all >adults--hard to do. >On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > >> It bounced the first time so here it is again! >> JVV >> >> >>> FOT, >>> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >>> >>> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >>> track >>> time too. >>> >>> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >>> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >>> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >>> been >>> doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >>> the year >>> and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You can't >>> get a >>> better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the races. Our >>> contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant as well >>> and we >>> are proud to be a part of the event every year. >>> >>> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >>> enjoy >>> Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >>> >>> Jerry Van Vlack >>> >>> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >>> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in >>> Pittsburgh stop >>> by and see us at Watkins Glen. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wredinger at oppd.com Tue Feb 12 09:59:31 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:59:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: 23 years ago I attended my fist PVGP and fell in love with Vintage Racing because of it. So I returned for the 25 th PVGP races last summer and enjoyed every moment. Can not say enough about it, a world class event that is right up there with the best, Monterey Historic, BRIC @ Road America and even Goodwood Festival of Speed ( been to all of them several times also). A must attend lifetime event! Bill Redinger -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Cc: Ralph Steinberg; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph I have to say I was pretty surprised at what a great city Pittsburg is. we met so many outstanding people it was simply overwhelming. Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all adults--hard to do. On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > It bounced the first time so here it is again! > JVV > > >> FOT, >> I think it's a great idea that Ralph and Joe have posted. >> >> Triumphs can have a lot of fun at Beaver Run and I suspect decent >> track time too. >> >> One thing to also consider if you want to make a week of it is the >> Saturday after Beaver Run and during the PVGP races the Western >> Pennsylvania Triumph Association sponsors British Car Day and have >> been doing so for more than 20 years. This is our signature event for >> the year and we have drawn up to 400 various cars for the show. You >> can't get a better parking place anywhere in Pittsburgh to watch the >> races. Our contributions to the PVGP Charities have been significant >> as well and we are proud to be a part of the event every year. >> >> It really is a unique experience at a very unique venue. Why not >> enjoy Pittsburgh, it's a well kept secret from too many folks. >> >> Jerry Van Vlack >> >> PS: we will again sponser the WPTA Hospitality Tent track side at the >> Watkins Glen Fall Festival in September. If you miss us in Pittsburgh >> stop by and see us at Watkins Glen. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 10:20:45 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PVGP BeaveRun JULY 2008 A Proposal to the Friends ofTriumph In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c86d14$265e0ad0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: Aw heck, some of us are easier than others. But I don't cut the grass. Marty > Diane wanted to adopt one family, but I pointed out that they were all > adults--hard to do.> On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 12 17:31:19 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell In-Reply-To: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I would quite happy with a > relative reading > (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this > gauge will work > but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience > with this sort of > thing. If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It expects 0 to be full. Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Feb 12 17:47:16 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:47:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing Message-ID: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better way to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will refresh current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the information they need to hit the track running and get involved in Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other FREE STUFF as well. Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical things you can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 12 17:50:38 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:50:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell References: <000801c86bff$b1dfdd10$b1191718@computer> <081401c86dd7$c058a410$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <004201c86dda$7369a2a0$d214c548@RW> You can guess at the compression ratio, guess at the tire pressures, why not guess on the gas supply? The first two guesses probably won't leave you stranded out on the course, but the last one can, easily.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'jim hearn'" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Gas gauge in a fuel cell >> I would quite happy with a >> relative reading >> (such one quarter is really one half) so I feel sure this >> gauge will work >> but just checking to see if anyone has had any experience >> with this sort of >> thing. > > If zero ohms is empty, then your TR6 gauge is going to work backwards. It > expects 0 to be full. > > Don't recall what empty is offhand, but I think it's less than 90 ... > meaning the gauge will read empty while you still have gas. > > One solution might be to fit a TR3 gauge, which expects 0 to be empty. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 12 23:10:37 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:10:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:47 PM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Are you as sick of all of this cold and snow as I am? Well it's > time to melt the freeze by lighting a car on fire!!!!! What better > way > to welcome spring and celebrate the new track! > Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing will conduct their 23rd annual, Crash & > Burn School, on March 15th & 16th, in North Denver. You can sign up by > replying to; Pauline Wilson, at pauline266 at comcast.net and IT'S FREE. > > This is a comprehensive, two day, hands on, school that will > refresh > current workers, retread old hands, or provide the newbie with all the > information they need to hit the track running and get involved in > Vintage Racing. Become part of a fun group doing fun things with an > organization that takes good care of their workers. There is other > FREE > STUFF as well. > > Prepare to get the 'best seat in the house', 'see up close & > personal' the best line to take, get comfortable using a fire > extinguisher and approaching a fire, plus many other practical > things you > can use in your day to day life. And IT'S FREE! > > Don't hesitate, Sign Up Today! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 05:56:23 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Get Ready, GO Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> References: <20080212.174717.2808.15.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <66101CC3-B54A-45C5-A318-34CFB098F796@bnj.com> Message-ID: > actually, I'm in Maui. Not that I want to rub that in or anything. I'm sure all that sun and mild temps are a trial... If you would like, I can see if I could box up some of our +9F and flurries to send to you. The only problem with shipping weather it would most likely spoil... you'd open up a box of mild temps and sun. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 13 19:55:08 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted In-Reply-To: <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> References: <20080213211126.e1n3y1kkq8soo0c0@webmail.triumphspitfire.com> <360E7017-4EAF-4752-9829-D1E5E37950E6@xsmail.com> Message-ID: <0D273D76-31A0-4C14-BE2C-39234611F8F9@mac.com> Over on the NASS list, this was posted, and I contacted Howard regarding what he was looking for. I offered to post on the FOT in case there were any budding writers among us. If the PDF file doesn't show, let me know off-list and I will forward it to you.... ----------------- Subject: Re: Hi Scott, I edit the Spit/GT6 magazine, and this next issue I am trying to focus on racing. So I am looking for anyone that is willing to write about their passion of racing Spits or GT6s. If you or others would be interested, get back to me. I am looking to talk with anyone that does race or has raced Spitfires &/or GT6s, whether in the early days, or in recent SCCA, VDCA, etc., track type venues. Please contact me offlist and I will explain more. bauguesh at ... bauguesh [at] verizon.net or howard at ... howard [at] triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard Baugues NASS#1 Indiana Editor - Spitfire & GT6 magazine www.triumphspitfire.com Thanks, Howard PS: I have attached a copy of the upcoming issue's cover draft. Car owned & built by Tim Slater of W. Palm Beach, FL. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:47:35 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:47:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR6/GT6 solid rocker spacer kit Message-ID: Ok sometimes I have moments that don't quite make sense. I apparently ordered a solid rocker spacer kit for the TR6/GT6 during my last parts ordering round. So, rather than chop them or machine them I have one set of solid rocker spacers, new and unused for a TR6/Gt6 for sale. TriumphTune P/N TT1218 or Victoria British p/n 1-9518 $49.95 in the VB catalogue and #25 from TT... $50 bucks includes shipping via priority mail...hopefully someone wants them. aaron From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 13 20:51:26 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SCCA National Races March 29/30 St. Louis, MO Message-ID: For those of you who are interested: March 29 and 30th is the first SCCA National of the Midwest Division for the Season. The event is at Gateway International Raceway in St. Louis (actually in East St. Louis, IL). I have a few crew passes available if anyone would like to help. I like the track and I got my first National win here last year, hopefully I can continue the trend with the updated engine and other goodies that have been worked on over the winter. Contact me if you are interested in helping out, or just want to come by and check things out. aaron From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 14 12:29:26 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Spitfire Story Tellers Wanted Message-ID: Spitfire story tellers wanted? Isn't that like asking for fishing stories? "Ya shoulda seen...." Shane Ingate, getting punchy after reviewing LANL proposals for a week, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From DennisR380 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:41:43 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Feb 14 12:44:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Feb 14 13:14:05 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will have on preferable toe. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string > the car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Feb 14 13:19:54 2008 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:19:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: Message-ID: <002301c86f46$f682a4d0$6a00000a@Dave> Probably largely a factor of what kind of differential you are running. With a welded diff (which wants to keep driving you straight) sometimes a bit more toe out will help reduce the push on corner turn-in, but with limited slips or open diff's the number should be able to be smaller. I've always assumed that the less scrub the better - all other things being equal. Obviously, your driving style has a large bearing on this question as well, although the nice thing about front toe is that you can easily play with it at the track and test it for both comfort and lap times, which are not always in agreement. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:21:24 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <021420081944.8631.47B49A14000C38BD000021B722218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jeff_durant at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:48:10 2008 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821954109-1203022280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-989967390-@bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Dennis, I would recommend a 1/16th to 1/8th inch toe in. My TR6 runs a Detroit Locker and I've found with toe out it wanders at speed. Not so with toe in. Front camber is set to -1.0. degrees. Jeff D. #12 TR6 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: DennisR380 at aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:41:43 To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Feb 14 14:05:25 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:05:25 EST Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Message-ID: It should be easy to get cars from SoCal. Are we talking about Laguna Seca, Thunderhill or Sears? Makes a difference, especially with the noise issues up there. Put me as a tentative yes with the GT6. In a message dated 2/14/2008 12:22:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 14 15:13:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <6B365527-5F43-4F48-A146-96BB6F96564D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c86f56$d5d9f200$d214c548@RW> The thing I learned from designer Trevor Harris, make CERTAIN that you did not pass from toe-in to toe-out or the other way around.. This can happen easily during hard braking if the bump-steer is not correct. If it crosses over for in to out, lots of times you need three lanes to make a one lane stop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg - Lunker Hilyer" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > The first time I had my TR4 on a alignment rack it was done by a > circle track guy, He insisted that toe out was the way to go - some > theory about the rear tucking in on corner exiting corners. It was a > handling disaster making the rear want to lead the front into turns - > very tail happy. The 1/8" toe IN I currently run works quite well. > Don't yet know what [if any] effect my newly adjustable camber will > have on preferable toe. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:41 PM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > >> I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string >> the car to >> set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how >> much total >> front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual >> but there are >> no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total >> toe-out...or? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ************** >> The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the >> Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. >> >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Feb 14 15:21:17 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:21:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 14 15:35:02 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:35:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> I like none, but that's me. On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > car to > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > much total > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > but there are > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > toe-out...or? > > Dennis > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 00:40:10 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:40:10 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? References: <0FF92AC1-6E18-4CD1-B79F-A634B0092B90@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801c86edc$d43a2520$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I think toe in is desirable if you want the car to center itself and be easy to steer. Perhaps if you were running the 24 Hours of LeMans, this would have proven a good choice. If you are on a tight course with lots of switchbacks and elevation changes this would seem less desirable. There are after all an infinite number of variables that must be dealt with on any course, with the possibility also of a preponderance of any combination of these variables. It seems from other discussions that with plenty of caster, negative camber and an aggressive sway bar, you would give away some ability to dig in under hard cornering if you were toed in. It's going to be the outer wheel that is doing vast majority of the work, and it's orientation relative to the inner wheel would be of reduced importance. Perhaps when turning in the inner wheel would actually be working counter to the outer wheel? Of course all this must be affected by the amount of available suspension travel, body roll rate, tire adhesion, front to rear weight bias, type of rear end setup, amount of available power, etc. That must be why it is a worthwhile and necessary investment to introduce as many ways to adjust geometry as possible, and to spend long hours in many different settings recording and analyzing the effects of various combinations. I believe this is referred to as road testing, and must make the difference between a racecar that can be driven fast, and one that can be driven fast on any track, and win a series. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? > I like none, but that's me. > On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:41 AM, DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: > > > I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the > > car to > > set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how > > much total > > front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual > > but there are > > no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total > > toe-out...or? > > > > Dennis > > > > > > ************** > > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the > > Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 16:53:47 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event In-Reply-To: <000001c86f47$2d1f8260$875e8720$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c86f64$d7bdc4d0$0200a8c0@hal9000> I'll come out from Colorado, no problem. Jim G TR4 # 102 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+toodamnfunky=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:21 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Ron: Well, at last count, we have three TR4/As (mine, yours, Tide Ebdings), two Spits with one other possibly ready for this year. If we can get John James from Washington, that gives us a potential for seven cars. CSRG needs a minimum of twelve cars for a seperate grid and would prefer fifteen so we would need a number of other cars from the NW, S.CA or ??. Then CSRG would need to squeeze in another race group into the schedule. Worth a try. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+vintage.racer=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of westerneagleracing at att.net Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:44 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CSRG Triumph event Let me know if there is anything I can do. I will e-mail Dan in support. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > Racer Bud, > > This sounds very interesting. I finally hope to make it to California > in > 2009 with a car. > > It is not too early to promote an event. > > Joe Alexander > > > > Hello Gang..I have just witten a letter to the CSRG board of > > directors, > > requesting Triumph as a featured marque at one of the 2009 races..The idea is > > to Invite Triumphs and Triumph powered cars later than the CSRG 1967 cutoff > > for this event..I think we can easily fill a grid. > > I attempted to send the letter to FOT..but it bounced, waiting approval > > Racer Bud..spitfire #21 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Fri Feb 15 01:15:25 2008 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: <008001c86faa$eb387b90$6402a8c0@HOME> As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Fri Feb 15 12:37:45 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] CSRG Triumph Event 2009 Message-ID: <021520081937.28318.47B5EA08000D64BD00006E9E22070208530E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> Folks: I'd be pleased to attend a CSRG event in CA with TR a featured mark. Perhaps we could get other WA and OR folks to join in, I.E. Peyote, Charlie Mitchel's TR6, Jeff Quick with his original Cal Auto TR4A, Mark York's TR3, etc.. John James From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:00:13 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Amici, My comments apply to a mostly stock street TR6 with open-diff. I did a lot of testing on auto-X and hill-climbs: Front and rear toe to 1/8. Front camber to -1 degree. Rear camber to - 2 degrees. Stock caster. This gave me great turn-in, rock-solid steering at all speeds and under brakes. I had no bump-steer. This set-up gave me smile that the Pantera could not match, and so made me sell that monster. All bets are off now with the LSD, 300 less pounds and new corner weights as I have zero time on the track. YMMV. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 16 19:21:47 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:21:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] triumph race Message-ID: <028901c8710b$d954a040$0202a8c0@Bud> 1st phase of having a CSRG Triumph/triumph powered Race...If approved, the venue will be Thunderhill Park, owned and operated by The San francisco region SCCA..Thunderhill is in Willows California..on interstate 5 about 2 hours 15 minutes tow from san francisco..Thunderhill is a 15 turn(approx 2.8 mile) track with lots of runoff area..similiar to the tracks of the old days..guard rail and k wall is almost non existant..it is of course used along the front straight to seperate the pits from the track..the track surface is always kept in excellent condition, as it is used virtually every day...The logical time to hold the triumph race will be at the Spring CSRG event..late april or Early May. There are lots of reasonable hotel accomodations at Thunderhill..I usually pay about 63.00 per night at the Best Western Golden Pheasant, which has lawn backing up to rear doors of most all rooms, and 2 large swimming pools with nice lounging areas..There is an Amerihost next door..the price is about the same..There are also motel 6..and Super 8, at lower rates...Thunderhill Raceway Park's website is www.thunderhill.com So far We have 10 commitments, 8 of which are firm..I also have not heard from Bill Babcock..as my direct email to him gets bounced.....Things are moving forward here..We should let the Morgan Gang know about this stuff. Thanks Friends Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 17 19:12:09 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher In Hemmings Message-ID: <001401c871d3$aae4ab10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Nice article by our own Ted Schumacher in this month's Hemmings on page 46 - the March issue with the red Ford pick-up on the cover. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 09:27:42 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:27:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: <20080217163708.VUMM9710.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Very cool... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/automobiles/collectibles/17contest.html GAVIN RHODES was surprised that his black 1959 Triumph TR3A won the Collectible Car of the Year contest on nytimes.com. At a time when American muscle cars have become treasured icons and Italian sports cars are, well, Italian sports cars, Mr. Rhodes, 33, didnt think his froggish little roadster stood a chance. I was up against a Ferrari, he said, adding that the contest really represented the whole spectrum of classic cars. Some people use them every day. Other people have several million-dollar cars that are trucked around from show to show. I was amazed. A total of 558 cars were entered in the contest, and 4,500 votes were cast by readers of nytimes.com for the 30 finalists, which had been chosen by the staff of the Automobiles section in November. As winner, Mr. Rhodes will receive $5,000 and a trophy; the other finalists will receive a prize package valued at $50 and passes to the New York International Auto Show in March. The outcome of the competition revealed an automotive counterculture of sorts: the enduring affection for classic British sports cars, warts and all. And there were warts, including a weakness for rust and glitchy electronics. Like all but a handful of British carmakers, Triumph passed through several owners; ultimately, it kicked the can in 1984. Today, BMW owns the rights to build cars under the Triumph name, while a private company with no relationship to BMW or the original owner sells Triumph sport motorcycles that look like anime robots. The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. His first was a 16th-birthday gift from his father, Jim, a gearhead with his own crazy way of souping up old cars. Past projects included a 1959 Jaguar Mark I sedan that used a Buick V-6, and a 1932 Ford pickup with a Corvette engine. Mr. Rhodes recalls that the first car he drove to high school was a Sunbeam Tiger, a British roadster powered by a factory-installed Ford V-8. There was a coolness factor, Mr. Rhodes said about driving his fathers cars, but his birthday present was, he felt, more of a loaded present. It was a wrecked car, he explained. It had like mice in the trunk. It meant so many weekends with my dad, working on it. As a teenager, you have some tension with your father - it was a bittersweet gift. It took them two years to restore the car. They painted it a bright canary yellow and even installed a few aftermarket parts, including a racing seat with a four-point safety harness. It ended up keeping Mr. Rhodes from being seriously injured. Four months after finishing the car, Mr. Rhodes collided with a drunken driver. I T-boned him, luckily, he said. Had he arrived at the intersection a second later, the drunken driver would have hit the TR3s flimsy drivers side door. The seat kept him from being thrown around inside the car. Mr. Rhodes and his father found a replacement TR3 that was in better condition than the yellow car. A year and a few setbacks later, they finished the second car, the summer before Mr. Rhodess senior year of high school. Today he lives in Brooklyn, where he and his wife, Michelle McDevitt, own Audible Treats, a music promotion and marketing company. But the heady price of nearby garages - around $300 a month, Mr. Rhodes said - means that the Triumph is still at his fathers house in New Mexico. He said he returned two or three times a year to drive the car and keep it in running order, but he was looking for an affordable way to keep the TR3A closer to home. Recently, he made a post on Craigslist. Looking for classic car philanthropist or enthusiast who has an extra garage, he said he wrote. So far, Ive gotten no reply. From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 17 21:11:13 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:11:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> /fighting words on Compared to the refrigerator boxes with wheels that the later TR's resembled I would certainly say that our swoopy, flowing fendered TR's that allow us to drag our knuckles certainly evoke a more elegant profile. /fighting words off At 09:07 PM 2/17/2008, Herald948 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/17/2008 10:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: The TR3A, built from 1957 to 1961, was the most elegant of Triumphs, before they became boxy and, later, wedgelike. Mr. Rhodes got his more than 15 years ago for $4,200. It was his second. ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't get me wrong, as I love them, but.... ;-) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 05:47:52 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:47:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shocks Message-ID: <155b1b2784a7e799e233095540fbf658@wi.rr.com> Anyone had any experience using the newer Spax shock that has two settings - one for bounce and one for rebound? Also, I keep hearing the argument that as shocks are being used in a racing application, they heat up and begin to lose they ability to respond. This argument has been presented to me for the stock lever arm shocks on my TR6 as well as for the standard Spax shocks sold by Moss, etc. Anyone have any real test experience or data? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 06:36:32 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey In-Reply-To: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20080218041653.MOVF20002.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) The definition of elegant from Answers.com: "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or style." Well, I probably wouldn't use it either. BUT, the slang use of elegant: "[common; from mathematical usage] Combining simplicity, power, and a certain ineffable grace of design. Higher praise than clever, winning, or even cuspy. The French aviator, adventurer, and author Antoine de Saint-Exupiry, probably best known for his classic children's book The Little Prince, was also an aircraft designer. He gave us perhaps the best definition of engineering elegance when he said A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. " Saint-Ex could have been describing a TR3! Simplicity and power; not much left to take away from a TR3! John H. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 18 07:45:29 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:45:29 EST Subject: [Fot] TR-3 wins NY Times survey Message-ID: In a message dated 02/18/2008 7:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > ELEGANT? Not a word I'd ever have chosen to describe a TR3A. Don't> get me > wrong, as I love them, but....> > ;-) > The definition of elegant from Answers.com: > > "Characterized by or exhibiting refined, tasteful beauty of manner, form, or > style." > Yeah! Fits the TR3, but not the TR3A. The grille's too wide. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 18 19:07:12 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:07:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Custom Spring Summary Message-ID: FoT, Here are the results of my research into having custom springs made in the US. The companies included in the following list were recommended by various members of our esteemed group. Thank you for all the input. 1. Coil Spring Specialties St. Mary's, Kansas (785) 437-2025 www.coilsprings.com Tech guy: Kevin They do make custom one-offs. Cost; $186/pair. They prefer to have your old springs to work from. 2. Eibach Springs Corona, California (800) 507-2338 www.eibach.com Tech guy: Ryan They do make custom springs but you need to order at least 100 at a time. They have an extensive catalogue but a majority of their springs are 2-1/2" diameter (coil-overs). 3. Draco Springs Draco, Texas www.dracospring.com (800) 645-4971 Tech guy: Mike - Very knowledgeable and helpful. They will make custom springs at $185 each. They have a tech sheet to fill out and they too, prefer to have your spring sent to them. 4. Hyperco Spring Logansport, Indiana www.hypercoils.com (574) 753-6622 Tech girl: Diane They have a large catalogue (mostly coil-over) and do make custom springs. Cost: $283 each. Quoted price is for a cold wound spring with a rate of 625 lbs. and wire gage +1/2". 5. Babcock Auto Spring Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin (414) 276-4450 They make leaf springs only. There you have it. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 22:36:05 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? In-Reply-To: <20080214.172117.28817.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <976282.43888.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My TR-6 is an occasionally street driven autocross car. For autocross I am running 8.5" wide rims with 225/45ZR15 Hoosier A6 tires. The street setup is 7.0" wide rims with Yokohama 205/50R15 tires. Front caster is 5.8 degrees Front camber is -3.00 Toe out is 1/16" This car has no noticeable bump steer on the street tires or the bigger autocross tires, and does not dart under heavy braking. The bigger autocross tires do have a slight tendency to follow seams in the road, but otherwise this TR-6 is very stable and has crisp turn in as long as the loose nut at the wheel does not blow off the corner by charging too hard and braking too late. Jim P Joe Boruch wrote: I run 1/16th toe out on my TR3 (which is almost as wide as a TR4). If I run more than that it can be darty under hard braking. I did run about an inch of toe out once (long story) and I went very fast that race. It did, however, cord the inside edge of the tires, so I did not run that setting anymore. Joe(B) -- DennisR380 at aol.com wrote: I had to pull my steering rack for a rebuild so I need to string the car to set the toe when I reassemble. Anybody have a suggestion as to how much total front toe-out to put on a TR4 race car? I have the factory manual but there are no toe numbers given for stock, or otherwise. I'm thinking 1/8" total toe-out...or? Dennis ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Begin a career in graphic design. Click here for free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlVUVOAJ5c3EgcKk7U9xoSoT 6hs1vYrCIUd05OuNLkA5KxvN/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tsheach at pba.co.uk Tue Feb 19 04:05:05 2008 From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:05:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? Message-ID: Heroic stuff Chris ! ...... I set mine up using the m25 london orbital motorway! I've a feeling you did it better than me ...... Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: 15/02/08 08:15 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 race car front toe number? As the inside wheel is pretty useless in a corner, the outside wheel is leading you through a corner. With lots of toe in the car enteres easyly a corner and is very controlable under braking. I run much toe in but I never measured the value, I set it as I feel with testing on the Nordschleife. Cheers Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:36:32 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Message-ID: Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Feb 19 08:42:09 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay References: Message-ID: gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3A B %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:51:22 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:51:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Bulk] Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 08:52:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:52:42 EST Subject: [Fot] "SURVEY SAYS" Meadow Brook Hall Concours De Elegance 3 August Message-ID: Just a brief, but possibly important survey: If the Meadow Brook Hall Committee decided to invite Vintage Race Cars in 2008 or 2009, how many folks would submit their TRIUMPHS for consideration and acceptance? fyi: http://www.meadowbrookconcours.org/ Name State Triumph(s) autox/rally/current era/vintage? email address We have a number of Triumphs that are show quality...but they dont need to be perfect or have tons of provenance. Please submit if you have any inclination. Dialogue on this has been initiated.... The FoT has been instrumental in raising the awareness and value of our Triumphs. To be featured at Meadow Brook Hall furthers that awareness. Example: Bill Dentinger Wisconsin TR3 Vintage BillDentin at aol.com Thanks! Joe Alexander From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 08:58:04 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is still there. Maybe just my inability to post the link correctly. If you just search the item number it comes up. Paul item 170195098537 -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: February 19, 2008 10:42 AM To: Fot; Paul MacDonald Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay gone... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul MacDonald To: Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse for Sale Ebay Check out this car on Ebay ....sounds like quite the car. Paul MacDonald http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3 AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=170195098537 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as klynch_6 at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:20:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:20:27 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 09:28:38 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: <021920081628.27402.47BB03B60004C0FC00006B0A2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to beleive it was all so long ago.... Irv -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 > > The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests > at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the > current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed > Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still > juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. > > Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown > of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help > here? > > Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show > or race. > > Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as emanteno at comcast.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Feb 19 09:40:45 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:40:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FoT, > > Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? > > Fast!!! > > Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? > > If my memory serves me...... > > SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) > > THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! > > 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A > 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 Ummm - this wasn't Ralph, it was Fletcher Williams. I'm not sure if Ralph got any B Sedan titles or not. I think it was Rick Cline who got the B Sedan titles. Now - Fletcher Williams is a character. I'll leave it at that. Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 [other stuff deleted] regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Feb 19 09:53:04 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:53:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. I'll volunteer to race it!! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. N197TR4 at cs.com Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/19/08 08:20 AM To macdonaldp at rogers.com, fot at autox.team.net cc Subject [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 09:54:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:54:33 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/2008 10:28:52 AM Central Standard Time, emanteno at comcast.net writes: > The TR6 in 1991 was Fletcher Williams. His wife built the engine. Hard to > beleive it was all so long ago.... > > Irv > Fletcher Williams! Yes!!!......my apologies....same questions apply. My memory failed me. I shoulda looked it up. Thanks IRV From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 19 10:00:16 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:00:16 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > From ofbracing at nefcom.net Tue Feb 19 10:19:43 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c8731b$9f0befd0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Rick is alive and well, still grinding custom cams and building race engines in the Orlando FL area. He used to be on the FOT list but has apparently gotten dropped. According to the SCCA documentation, he won the Runoffs in 3 consecutive years, '72 and '73 in G Prod, '74 in F Prod. I believe there were 2 different Spits, one of which was still in his hanger the last time I was down there. He also participated in the Cannonball run, co-driving a Ferrari Dino with Jack May. There's a short article about that at http://www.geocities.com/carrollms/cannonball/dino.html Cheers, Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps someone else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB Racing. But that's not much. > Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 13:36:50 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 14:11:09 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:11:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos In-Reply-To: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <00af01c87337$280c2820$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <8CA415315788F21-2C4-16AE@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> Who could forget the Cline team colors, baby-shix brown... Thanks for posting the photo links! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: N197TR4 at cs.com; lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse - old photos Ric Cline, memories! We had some fun back then! Check this link (man need to copy-paste whole thing into browser): http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm My photos from 1975 CSPRRC and more here: http://www.botchagaloop.net/cwn/1975/1975c-roadatlantacsprrc/index.html or go to http://www.botchagaloop.net And navigate to Clark's 1975 photos and choose the CSPRRC link. I think a few more also at 1976. Enjoy! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:47:29 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:47:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:01:43 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:01:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802191401x22d9309cxfcabcea248812bce@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship race with Mueller and his TR7]. http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf On Feb 19, 2008 1:47 PM, wrote: > Does anyone have photos of Paul Newman's TR6 in livery? > > > > Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois > > > > That's not a leak... My car's > just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:07:23 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 15:13:16 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 Message-ID: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chuck Arnold" > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:29:06 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:29:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 15:36:35 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000201c87347$e27e0100$1442a8c0@semperon3400> You can also tell by the number of head studs. 1296 and 1500 have 10 1147 have 11 If the 6 port head is bolted on it is a 1147 engine If not bolted on and the block has 11 studs it is a 1147 block To answer your question, yes (almost, as do the 948's). Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+cwn74=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as cwn74 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:37:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 19 15:46:11 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:46:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 19 15:51:12 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2326@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <000001c87348$0b138f90$0202a8c0@newcomputer> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C749F2332@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000401c87349$ed47c650$0202a8c0@newcomputer> If the block has been shaved down, it probably took the number stamping with it. Clark's suggestion of counting the studs if then the best way to tell. The 1147 and everything before has 11 studs. Afterwards, there are 10. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:46 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 <> Blank, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:38 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 That is correct for the production engines. There were some 8-port heads made for the Lemans and other works cars with the 1147, and I assume some were also sold as upgrades. I don't know if there have been any made after that. They would be quite dear in either case. If it has a 6 port head it can't possibly be anything larger than a 1147 (unless it has been bored out). What is the serial number prefix? That should tell you everything you need. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Heads 1147 vs. 1296 It's my understanding that no 1296 Spitfire motors have 6-port heads and that only 1147s have 6-port heads. Is that correct? We're looking at a spare motor which the seller swears is an 1296, but which has a 6-port head. Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:51:49 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:51:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <021920082213.14440.47BB547C0001E363000038682200763704970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone! `Just what the designer ordered Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: emanteno at comcast.net > To: triosan at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:13:16 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Chuck Arnold" > > > Here is a link to a black and white [in an article on his SCCA championship > > race with Mueller and his TR7]. > > http://www.templeoftriumph.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf > > If you want to see a picture of a skinny, dark haired me, look on page 28 of that same newsletter. That was the year we hosted the first ever North American Triumph Challenge, which later combined with the VTR national Convention. > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:16:40 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:16:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <001301c87355$ddbdd880$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. Bob GT6 racer From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 19 17:19:57 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <003201c87356$534b13b0$0201a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Rick lives here in Groveland, Florida and is still producing great Spitfire and GT6 engines. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Thanks Bob.....I have no connections with Rick Cline either. Perhaps > someone > else does. I know that he works with, and is friends with, Jim Higgs of JB > Racing. But that's not much. > > >> Rick Cline might be an interesting "Triumph Champion"... >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Feb 19 17:54:06 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Newman's TR6 In-Reply-To: <000001c87343$ce75f860$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: Clark Thank you very much for the link. Great pictures ejoyed seeing them, will have to go back and see them all. Terrific. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+macdonaldp=rogers.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: February 19, 2008 5:07 PM To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Newman's TR6 You're on your own, search and you shall find http://www.botchagaloop.net Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as macdonaldp at rogers.com From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 18:01:22 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Sweeeeeeeet! Anyone wanna help me rob a bank? Shane Ingate, wondering how Kas made the fluted DCOE trumpets, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:30:19 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201c87370$eb1fa470$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Actually Fletcher Williams was the 1991 National champion and I was his crew chief. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Feb 19 20:58:03 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:58:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> In that race, Fletcher radioed in on the tenth lap and said the head gasket was blown and water was blowing all over his legs. He said the oil temp was staying under 230 so Sandy said to tell him to keep going just don't blow it up. He ran the remaining 8 laps with no water in the motor! The oil kept the motor cool enough to finish the race. We all wanted a victory lap and the car was too hot to refire so we were towed around by a wrecker for our victory lap! The tech guys had me pull the head so they could check the bore and stroke. The only damage we found was a collapsed valve seat. Ahhh the good old days. Mike (Still blowing head gaskets) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+fasttrs=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse FoT, Is this the one that was driven by Ralph Thomas in recent years? Fast!!! Does any one have access to Ralph Thomas? If my memory serves me...... SCCA RUNOFFS (TRIUMPH Champions) THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!!! 1990 Jack Wheeler TR4A 1991 Ralph Thomas TR6 1992 Hardy Prentice TR3 The plan right now is to have Jack Wheeler and Hardy Prentice as our guests at Watkins Glen. They have been invited and they have accepted. It is also the current plan to have them on the LEGENDS SPEAK along with Kas Kastner and Ed Diehl. Perhaps one more significant Triumph guy will be involved. I am still juggling...I just hope the balls fall into the right place. Might be cool to have someone invite Ralph Thomas for kind of a Triple Crown of Triumph Champions, under the same FOT hospitality tent. Can anyone help here? Might be cooler, if an FOT bought this car and brought it to the Glen to show or race. Regardless, The Glen is destined to be a high water mark for the FOT....... Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fasttrs at mindspring.com From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Feb 19 21:12:51 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> References: <004301c87374$cb5735f0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2> Message-ID: <002a01c87376$dca20540$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I remember during P+Q Fletcher (one year at the Runoffs) would leave a puddle of oil in the pits around the bell housing area. Perhaps championship year. "Can't be mine" was the reply! I may have a photo of the tow around, we'll find out when I get that far! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 19 22:10:10 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1147's Message-ID: <976568.57792.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: While on the subject of 1147 Spitfire's...we have a new member of CVAR that has purchased a Spitfire Mk1 out of Tampa Fla. The car is in my shop being prepped for this coming weekends race. I am curious if anyone on the list may know of the car. It is white with three blue stripes on the bonnet, number 97, and has a Midwestern council sticker on the side. I am curious about the level of engine prep since it is sporting stock axles. Also...the owner is wanting to move on to a 1296 at the end of the season or when this motor gets ill. The car has tons of spares including three 1147 motors disassembled. Is there anyone else on the list running an 1147cc car that would like spare blocks or heads? I think we'll keep the cranks to use in a 1296 small journal motor. I also have a Spitfire Mk 3 which was recovered from the vacant lot demons, sitting outside my shop. Is there anyone on the list that needs a steel bonnet, boot lid, doors, etc. from a roundtail? I want to give the list first shot before they head to Ebay. All the panels are in repairable condition. Please let me know off list. Thanks - Ed From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:45:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: <022020081445.11074.47BC3CFF000618ED00002B422213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bob" > Looks like a really nice TR4 racer came up for sale on ebay. In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Feb 20 07:47:12 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] corrected link Message-ID: <022020081447.13944.47BC3D700007F155000036782213484373970A9D010507@comcast.net> Sorry, that should have been http://www.race-cars.com/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: emanteno at comcast.net In addition to the above very nice TR4, mine is currently listed at www.racecars.com. If you know someone looking to vintage race a TR4, please pass this along. Thanks. Irv Korey From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Wed Feb 20 07:52:43 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:52:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads Message-ID: Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 09:21:03 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm which indicates that car was sold previously for $35K. But the eBay description indicates that the car has been with the same owners since 1988, significantly pre-dating race-cars.com. My guess is that they received no takers on race-cars.com, withdrew the advertisement, and are trying on eBay. Nevertheless, there are some more pictures to drool over at race-cars.com. Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal. Don't look at me, though, I'm struggling just to finish one car for the road/track. Shane Ingate, with no sugar-daddies in Magdalena, NM _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From DennisR380 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 10:25:44 2008 From: DennisR380 at aol.com (DennisR380 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:25:44 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4 racer Message-ID: Irv, I believe that website address is: www.race-cars.com DR ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 10:51:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Henry Frye Address Message-ID: anybody have an address for henry? i lost mine. thanks joe a From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:33:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm really confused. The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there because of that. Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm and http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary and video... The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? I'm puzzled... From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Wed Feb 20 11:33:05 2008 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page Message-ID: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ From alan at nosbritishparts.com Wed Feb 20 11:39:45 2008 From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <97056.56626.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> OK..It took a few seconds to get the message. Alan T Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Feb 20 11:51:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:51:03 EST Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for bringing this up. Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the positive aspects. A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would enter this event. However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! Joe A > I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race there > because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much more suited > to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track commentary > and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one racer, and > two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would go there. There > must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... > _______________________________________________ > From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 20 11:56:46 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Lucas Electrics Fan Page In-Reply-To: <47BC7261.1020205@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <602362.82156.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got it right away. But everyone around me at work wanted to know why I was laughting at a blank screen! Jari Tabell wrote: I found a very informative website for all Lucas fans: http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/lucas.html Regards Jari http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as sbracing at sbcglobal.net From herald948 at aol.com Wed Feb 20 12:25:18 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> Message-ID: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From wredinger at oppd.com Wed Feb 20 12:44:49 2008 From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Feb 20 12:59:31 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:59:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cars in drag don't count! Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "REDINGER, WILLIAM E" Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/20/08 11:44 AM To , , cc Subject Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered drag car! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of herald948 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ingate I love google. Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm ==AM== So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car replica: :-) ==AM== Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be a deal.... ==AM== Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:15:48 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 mph, and Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. Shane Ingate in NM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 > From: wredinger at oppd.com > To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 powered > drag car! > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > herald948 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM > To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Ingate > > I love google. > > Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse > owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: > > http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm > > ==AM== > So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car > replica: > > > > :-) > ==AM== > > Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as owning > the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got to be > a deal.... > > ==AM== > Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? Depends on > your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I > think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only > need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald Database at its new URL: > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wredinger at oppd.com > > This e-mail contains Omaha Public Power District's confidential and proprietary information and is for use only by the intended recipient. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, this e-mail is not a contract offer, amendment, nor acceptance. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 20 19:54:31 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:54:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] summer schedules..... soooo what did I miss??? In-Reply-To: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257551.87699.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080221025441.0C5D818767C@autox.team.net> In my case, I can only do one or two "big event"s a year, and the Glen is mine for this year. I want to run Beaverun and PGVP (if they'll let me, I give that like 25% with my car prep level), but it's just not in the cards for this year. - Tony At 12:33 PM 2/20/2008, tom strange wrote: >I'm really confused. > > The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race > there because of that. > > Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much > more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. > > http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm > and > http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track > commentary and video... > > The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the > management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... > > Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one > racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they would > go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... > What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? > > I'm puzzled... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 20 17:54:28 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:54:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the end of straights). On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: > OK, I forgot about THAT Herald. But I feel it would be pretty close. > I figure a modest Pro-Street 9-sec car will max out at around 140 > mph, and > Kas' Vitesse should do 140 quite easily. > > All bets are off when it comes to braking and cornering. > > Shane Ingate in NM > > > >> Subject: RE: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:49 -0600 >> From: wredinger at oppd.com >> To: herald948 at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Sorry, Worlds Fasted Herald is in England and is a Pro-Street V8 >> powered >> drag car! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+wredinger=oppd.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> herald948 at aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:25 PM >> To: hottr6 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shane Ingate >> >> I love google. >> >> Looking around for the world's fastest Herald (no offence to Vitesse >> owners), I found the following link to Kas' Vitesse: >> >> http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/triumph/71vtx1/71vtx1ss.htm >> >> ==AM== >> So do I; I found a link to someone who made a very nice slot car >> replica: >> >> > > >> >> :-) >> ==AM== >> >> Circa $35K for a significant slice of Triumph history, as well as >> owning >> the world's fastest Herald (Andy Mace, are you out there?) has got >> to be >> a deal.... >> >> ==AM== >> Well, faster than MINE is, that's for sure. World's fastest? >> Depends on >> your definition; there are several Heralds around (most in England, I >> think) with big-block American V-8s stuffed in. Of course, they only >> need cover about 1320 ft. at a time.... >> >> --Andy Mace >> >> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >> Triumph Herald engine with wings. >> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> >> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> Herald Database at its new URL: >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> More new features than ever. 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If you are not the intended recipient you are > notified that > disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance > on the > contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:58:59 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Spitfire Racer (Scott Cypher)) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for TR 6 STD pistons (4) In-Reply-To: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> References: <000201c8734f$584310e0$0301a8c0@chuck> Message-ID: <3F9E5447-BD7D-4CF5-950F-938EDD5F3B9B@xsmail.com> I am looking for 4 std TR6 pistons for my 1500 rebuild. If you have an imcomplete set wasting away in a corner, pleAse email me off list.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA # 362573 #57 HP Spitfire 1500 Spitfireracer at xsmail.com On Feb 19, 2008, at 18:29, "C E White" wrote: > What is the proper thread size for the gearshift knob on a '69/'70 > GT6+? > > Chuck White > NASS #495 > Xenia, OH > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>> To unsubscribe send an empty email to: nass-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> NASS Home Site nasshq resources http://www.nasshq.org >>> Full Membership details: http://www.nasshq.org/docs/memberapp.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/join > (Yahoo! 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Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: > Does anyone know the numbers for the 73/74 head with the 1.44" vales? Not the engine numbers, the head numbers? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as johnkipping at inet.net.nz From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 06:42:57 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:42:57 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally. Perhaps Kas or one of your others who worked on and raced it later, but still "in the day", can shed some light. It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. Also, the last time I weighed Ralph's car it was 2123#. The B-Sedan weight rules for a non-cross flow engine were 1.0# / cc. That means the car should weigh 2500# by my figures. No wonder it is fast!!! It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. Just my 2 pennies. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 07:38:18 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:38:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> References: <001f01c8737b$c8d5b700$d214c548@RW> <8CA420D760C0310-14C0-1166@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> <79DDCC1F-BFAE-4D74-BE10-E30BAEB5CE2C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1B4017B5-101E-4E0D-AEBD-21F6BA33E543@bnj.com> well, he didn't really bat me, more like beat me. Same thing I guess On Feb 20, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I think I raced against that car at Road Atlanta--it was a rocket out > of the corners, and handled great, ate peyote up coming out of most > corners but about 3/4 of the way down the straight it stopped > accelerating like it had popped a chute. I think the aerodynamics took > over--pushing that garage door front profile at 130 has got to take a > lot of beans. As I recall he bat me, but I was passing him at the end > of the straight for nearly every lap. Peyote tops out at about 135 > (according to my calculations and a quick look at the tach near the > end of straights). > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Shane Ingate wrote: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 07:45:13 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42AF8025FAA7-1618-EEA@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com I have had serious doubts about the period authenticity of this car for a number of years, as it does attend SVRA events occasionally.... It is my contention that it originally had the 2.0L engine, not the 2.5L TR6 motor that Ralph uses. I don't believe that even though the T/A series and B-Sedan class was expanded to 2.5L in 1973, that you could increase the displacement beyond what the Recognition Form (B3-2) stated. The 2.5L was never a Triumph option in the Vitesse. ==AM== Correct; the Vitesse was 2L (except for the original Vitesse 6/Sports 6, which was 1.6L). ==AM== It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had an overdrive option. I don't think it did. ==AM== Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:10:35 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:10:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Herald948 writes: Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. OK, that helps me on the 5-speed. Thanks, Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:27:04 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:27:04 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 8:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse > had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did. > > ==AM== > Overdrive WAS always an option on the Vitesse. > Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:43:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:43:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Feb 21 08:53:05 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:53:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CA46017@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That doesn't work everywhere. Our group is making 2 guys pull Toyota 5 speeds out. CVAR requires a tranny from the original manufacturer, which means a TR6 trans works in a GT6, but not the Toyota conversion. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:43 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; Billb at bnj.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:27:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: Jack... Interesting. Does it follow that the TRs are allowed five speed upgrades for the same reason (OD was always an option)? Bill Dentinger Bill, et al: You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. Add 75 lbs. to official weight. When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear must be lower numerically than 1:1. Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track dimension, brake size and type is not changed. Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and all gear ratios are free. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:56:13 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:56:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. > Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > Jack... What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 08:58:46 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:58:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 10:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? Only 85 days until my first kringle fix for 2008! jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 21 09:39:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> You mean nitrous isn't okay? Damn, I guess I'll have to just huff all those bottles. transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. I know, I know, slippery slope, and why wouldn't a guy with a 1908 diffenbacher--woolsey 30/50 then be allowed to run a small block chebbie. My answer is guys with pukka race cars accept a higher standard when they choose to engage, modified production car guys don't. And if you screw with your diffenbacher too much you'll be ostracized by the entire Woolsley community and it won't be worth squat, whereas an unmolested 917 can provide retirement income for a mid-sized town. It's a spectrum, not black and white, and I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. I'm still going to run 4 speed TR boxes in Peyote, but if i get tired of spending as much for a transmission as I used to for a whole motor, then there's an option. On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/21/2008 9:43:02 AM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra writes: > > >> You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. >> Everything is there under "car info". >> >> In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. >> >> This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. > > > Jack... > > What, and pass up an opportunity to visit with you? No way, Jose! > > Thanks, Jack. And you are right. I am embarrassed to say it has > been at least that long since I studied SVRA's rules for my car. > BUT I'll bet my mechanic knows your rules inside out, and my TR3 is > well within SVRA guidelines. Well...except for the motorcycle > handlebars and the handgrip activated HD oil spill and nitrous option. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598 > ) Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 09:43:40 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:43:40 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:40:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: I applaud SVRA for having a rational rule instead of a blanket ban. Thanks Bill. I think we are the bastion of reason in a sport that is populated by extremes! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From herald948 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:17:14 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Bill, et al: You might want to check our website www.svra.com from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an excerpt: Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. ==AM== Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:31:14 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:31:14 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:25:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) --Andy Mace You can't nit-pick me because I have absolute domain over SVRA rules! I'll give you a 5-speed but don't push it. Jack **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:33:25 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:33:25 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 10:34:53 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:53 EST Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 12:33:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SMITH1127 writes: Why doesn't anyone just ask Kas? We have and are waiting for the master's reply. jw **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 21 10:49:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] alternate gearboxes; was Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Missed it by one :). My TR3 has overdrive in ALL four gears. >==AM== >Hmmm...one might nitpick here, seeing as a typical Triumph overdrive >gearbox would've essentially had SIX forward speeds (seven on the >earlier TR gearboxes). ;-) > >--Andy Mace From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 21 13:19:55 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:19:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] New mail address References: <8CA42C4BCAAC560-1618-1A68@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> <20080221175507.DEUV19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <005f01c874c7$203f1c60$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, because of that trouble to access FOT and stay in contact with the USA racers I've set up this mail address: tr4racing at googlemail.com This one is only made to reach unreachable people (comcast.net) This is my 2008 race schedule: 27.06.2008 29.06.2008 N|rburgring (GP-Kurs) Oldtimer Festival 26.07.2008 27.07.2008 Brands Hatch, England 30.08.2008 31.08.2008 Assen, Niederlande Classic Car Festival 13.09.2008 14.09.2008 Zandvoort GTO Classic 26.09.2008 28.09.2008 N|rburgring Nordschleife ADAC Eifelrennen 18.10.2008 19.10.2008 Spa Francorchamps ADAC Finale Some nice race events I think. Cheers Chris http://www.tr4-racing.de/ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all in the green hell and bind them. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 15:12:39 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:12:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: <002001c874d6$df969430$d214c548@RW> Lots of talk about this car I did in 1971. It started off as a stock Vitesse, used, sent to me by the factory for this project. It was built/raced /sold as a two liter car. Even if I had the car right now I'd take out a 2.5 and put in the 2.0 engine. The 2.0 engine is far superior and will rev right out the window while the 2.5 is a tough cookie to deal with in comparison.That gear set had a first gear about the same as a second gear in a five speed gearbox ( of which we did not have). The car was built/raced/sold with three 45mm Webers used slick race tires and was fitted with rear disc brakes. Lots of other cute things but I have little memory exactly as at the time, it was under funded and not important in the big scheme of things. But, it was a gas to drive and went like a rocket. One thing I do remember well is that the under two liter Trans Am had become a little bit of bumper car racing so I had the cage built with a 1.75" tubing 4130 bar under the little aluminum face bumpers on the car front and rear and tied into the cage and chassis. The idea being that anyone who ran into that car was in for a shocking surprise. AS I REMEMBER (reminding you all that this was a while back) we did the car with a close ratio TR-4/6 gearbox for I figured the GT-6 box would never stand up to the 210bhp. We did race the car in the Trans-Am about 4 times and also in a few SCCA amateur races. Hopefully this will help answer some questions. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:42:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:42:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211542h58c71652vc1e00b8954b039b8@mail.gmail.com> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:58:46 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Need a decent TR6 crank pulley Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802211558o4f89effahaf7c8e327245a1c5@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, forgot to mention the car ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM Subject: Need a decent crank pulley To: Friends , Triumph <6pack at autox.team.net> Race car coming together in a couple of weeks. Have discovered I need a decent crank pulley. Anyone have one to sell. Cost shipped to Seattle? Thanks Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 21 18:16:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:16:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Triumph Vitesse Message-ID: Kas... I remember talking about this car with you in your NISSAN paddock at ROAD AMERICA one time. We were looking at a panoramic picture of the 1992 TRIUMPHS at MID-OHIO. I recall the first recollection out of the box was, "I couldn't keep rear axles on that car." Bill Dentinger **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:38:43 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:38:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > It also now has a 5-speed tranny. SVRA would allow that if the Vitesse had > an overdrive option. I don't think it did Actually, the Vitesse DID have an overdrive option... I have one parked outside which I brought from England with me so I know a little bit about them. Best Regards Lion F Guyot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Feb 21 18:50:00 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:50:00 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:26:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Bill, et al: > > You might want to check our website _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) > from time to time. Everything is there under "car info". > > In your case look at Group 3 and also the SR for TR3-4. > > This has not changed significantly since 2001 however. Here is an > excerpt: > > > Drive Train: Standard gearbox may be replaced with an alternate > production based gearbox of the same number of forward speeds. > Add 75 lbs. to official weight. > When replacing a 4-speed w/overdrive unit with a 5-speed, the fifth gear > > must be lower numerically than 1:1. > Live rear axle unit may be modified or replaced so long as the track > dimension, brake size and type is not changed. > Differential may be have a limited-slip device or be locked. > Flywheels, clutches, driveshafts, axles, universals, CV joints, hubs and > all gear ratios are free. > Jack Woehrle > This IS an interesting thread, I am surprised that the Candybox Vitesse is allowed AT ALL, especially with all it's rear axle and rear drive modifications. Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? Just curious. I KNOW one thing, that nasty triumph tune alloy rocker box/valve cover is most certainly NOT original and really spoils the underbonnet authenticity for me, and anyone who knows anything about triumph tune, (lower case deliberate). And, why would anyone want to remove that sweet 2.0L six with it's square 76mm bore and stroke, and replace it with that stroked 2498cc unit in the first place? It is well known that the 2.0L is a better revving and all round nicer unit than the 2.5L unit. (no offence intended to TR6 owners btw) Lion From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Feb 21 19:10:52 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:10:52 EST Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans and Trans-Am in 1972. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From srcypher at mac.com Thu Feb 21 19:20:10 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> Message-ID: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I also have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and one TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. 218xxx vs. TKCxxxx) if any? Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head there were four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've got these the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - it's eight years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh John Kipping fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From kaskas at cox.net Thu Feb 21 21:59:22 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:59:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <007701c8750f$b069ebb0$d214c548@RW> That car was legal in every aspect to the regulations at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Re: Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/21/2008 8:58:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: > > Are the Triple sidedraught Webers really allowed? > > > > That is about all that is legal on the car. Carbs were "free" in sedans > and > Trans-Am in 1972. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 21 23:02:53 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:02:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tire/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <000001c87518$90c6ed40$b1191718@computer> Does anyone know how much tire/wheel clearance there is on the rear tube shock conversion that mounts Konis on a series of right angle gussets on a TR6? The directions state that the clearance should be adequate for up to 205s but I want to use 225s on aftermarket wheels. Thanks, Jim Two '74 TR6s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 22 06:56:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <49a97cedadab888fab97cabc17c3661d@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 (maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 07:50:43 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:50:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine Message-ID: <27859797.2908571203691843525.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> A quick look thry the index of the following 05 issues didn't show an article on headers: Jan, Mar, Apr, May, July, Sept, Nov. that's all the one's I had. Dean T. >From: Allen Washatko >Date: 2008/02/22 Fri AM 07:56:17 CST >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Classic Motor Sport Magazine >FoT, > >Does anyone have the Classic Motor Sport magazine from sometime in 2005 >(maybe July - August) that had an article on header/exhaust design? > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as tr3a58 at verizon.net From triosan at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 09:40:59 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 steering shaft to rack connection size Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802220840p7d053176o2bb9fbd544ed4db7@mail.gmail.com> Am about to replace the stock parts with Borgeson shafts and u-joint. Does anyone happen to know the diameter of the shaft and nuber of splines where the shaft jins the steering box? Thanks -- Chuck Arnold From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 22 09:57:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box conversion? I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the top three gears. Larry Young Bill Babcock wrote: > transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on the > side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". The > toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 22 10:09:50 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and My experience is the GT6 boxes are not up to the task. The 260Z box I use has been trouble free for over 15 years. 100.00 from the junk yard. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:08:02 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:08:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Why not keep it vintage unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and cheap. The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking at just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I am dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely no resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate tranny and another he can't. I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have one and it will cost you 75#. Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 10:38:49 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <001501c87579$c8ec96a0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I agree with Jack. Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time. My 2 cents. John McCue----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse > In a message dated 2/22/2008 11:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cartravel at pobox.com writes: > > Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful and > cheap. > > > The "compelling reason" is that as a sanctioning body we are not looking > at > just Triumphs which may or may not have a good source of original parts. I > am > dealing with hundreds of Makes and Models, some of which have absolutely > no > resources for spare parts. I cannot tell one guy he can have an alternate > tranny and another he can't. > > I have had to make a decision that is fair and reasonable for everyone. > > I haven't said you MUST have a Toyota 5-speed...I have said your CAN have > one and it will cost you 75#. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 22 10:46:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:46:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In-Reply-To: <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> References: <1534FDF0-2201-4E6D-AD12-C6EBF4E93E0C@bnj.com> <47BEFEDC.1010408@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1B4EE1E6-D66F-424D-876F-173096B1F394@bnj.com> All depends on what you want a gearbox to do. It's true you can still buy TR gearboxes, but they are not all that plentiful. It costs me a lot more than $1000 to build one. the list of known flaws is pretty long. I generally use straight cut gears though I have a Hardy Prentice box that works even better that I'm hoarding. I consider TR gearboxes to require a teardown every season. If you don't they can do expensive things very quickly. Even with all the mods and care I have a straight cut gearbox at Horizon Racing that just needed $2500 in parts to fix it--it had the common problem of breaking the tab that retains the layshaft and reverse shaft when the layshaft bearing starts to go south. My point is not that I'm looking to use a five speed (I'm not) but that a rule that allows a reasonable substitution with a reasonable penalty is a great way to go, and a lot more sensible than a ban. You can convert a toyota five speed for about a thousand bucks, and it's probably the last transmission you'll have to buy, and you'll never learn anything about them because you'll never open the case. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Larry Young wrote: > I didn't chime in last time this came up. Why not keep it vintage > unless there is a compelling reason not to? Bill, my experience is > completely the opposite, i.e. TR gear boxes are strong, plentiful > and cheap. Most of us scrounge for out racecar spares. If you look > around, you can find a good rebuildable 4 synchro box for $100 or > less. If you rebuild it yourself with a close ratio gear set, > you'll have a strong box with gearing like a 5 speed less 1st gear > and the total cost will be under $1000. How much is a Toyota box > conversion? > > I believe SCCA did not allow close ratio gears for many years, so > they may not be legal with some vintage groups. Nevertheless, I > consider them to be a more palatable alternative to a Toyota box. > > In Kas' days overdrives were used instead of close ratio gears. Not > only for the additional higher gear, but for splitting gears, > especially to reduce the jump from 2nd to 3rd. Overdrives > (especially A-types) are very expensive, because everyone doing a > restoration wants one. However, an overdrive is really not > necessary with close ratio gears, because the overdrive gears tend > to overlay the next higher normal gear. Of course you have to look > at the rear axle ratio too. Close ratio gears with a 3.7 rear and > close ratio OD with 4.55 will give almost identical ratios for the > top three gears. > Larry Young > > Bill Babcock wrote: >> transmission replacement is a constant argument. I come down on >> the side of "why break the few remaining good ones racing them". >> The toyota trannys are as common as belly buttons, and don't break. >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Feb 22 10:56:43 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:56:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 11:04:01 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse References: Message-ID: <000e01c8757d$4e8267b0$bef16c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Amen, Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net ; cartravel at pobox.com ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas Kastner built Vitesse In a message dated 2/22/2008 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net writes: Cars that are RACED and that are 35 to 45 years old can't always come up with what was once a competition part that may have been strong enough in the day but is no longer available. Now you are faced with replacing those stock or one step above parts on a frequent basis or being allowed to adapt a part that will get you through more than one weekend if that. The idea is to be able to go out and race and not be installing new parts all the time Just to add a little Triumph history to this subject: At Kas's direction, Triumph created a whole catalogue of Competition Parts (V numbers) that were an addendum to the regular Triumph parts lists that could be ordered through your local dealer. These parts were detailed in the various Competition Manuals. There were close ratio gears, cams, Detroit Lockers, even a special Spitfire grille and camber compensator made by EMPI. He also recommended replacing things like stub axles every race or two. You cannot get this stuff now and much of it was marginal in the day. We have to make do and make allowances. If you want an absolutely period original racer, you better keep in the garage. I don't want it breaking down on MY RACETRACK and screwing everyone out of a session of precious track time! Jack Woehrle ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Feb 22 17:58:12 2008 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From chasgee at aol.com Fri Feb 22 18:23:18 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Mark 1 drum brake backing plates and Spitifre hubs Message-ID: <8CA43D1CE31D3E2-1104-7F0B@webmail-nb14.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, Work and life have been very time consuming lately, so my FOT participation has been very minimal.? I start a new job on Monday that should give me more time to?do the racing thing again.? I've also started to make the?Spitfire rear hubs again, as shown in Kastner's book.? I have a new batch in the works, in case anyone is interested. As a result,?I need to locate some GT6 Mark 1 or late Mark?3 (swing spring)?drum brake backing plates.? Anyone have a set that?they would like to part with? Regards, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing - Spitfire 2007 Kastner Cup 2007 VARA DP?Champion? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From srcypher at mac.com Fri Feb 22 20:19:46 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1500 heads In-Reply-To: References: <47BD38F6.7030508@inet.net.nz> <7DBDC80F-D17E-4E4B-BA75-E32FEF01C26E@mac.com> Message-ID: <92C4C4BB-B4D9-4DD1-B0B6-A06948A30DB6@mac.com> Hadn't finalized my decision on the pistons yet. You have to deck the block down more; one block I have is already decked for TR6 pistons and has billet caps, so I can't go back on that one; but another is set for .040 stock; So it will likely be yes on one, and no on the other. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:58 PM, fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: I get home tomorrow and I'll look at all my heads. Piston Rings arrived today. I now have everything I need to finish the engine except the clutch pressure plate (thanks Joe). Should have the motor together this weekend and in the car with everything hooked up except the front shocks. are you going to go with the TR6 pistons in the motor? I've talked to a few people and noone is really doing it any longer. new cams seem to have changed any benefits. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cypher Date: Thursday, February 21, 2008 21:20 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1500 heads To: John Kipping Cc: fpspitfire at insightbb.com, spitfires at autox.team.net, fot at autox.team.net > I have a stock 218139 head that has 1.44 valves in it; but I > also > have 515973/573 FP prepped heads that have 1.44 valves, and > one > TKC2748 head with 1.44 valves. > John, what are the real differences in the heads (515xxx vs. > 218xxx > vs. TKCxxxx) if any? > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, > particularly when > owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:40 AM, John Kipping wrote: > > I think I must have serious problem, off the top of my head > there were > four large valve heads - 218139, 218140, 218141, 218142. (it's the > remembering the numbers that's the problem). I think they are 1500LC, > 1500HC, 1300LC and 1300HC respectively. Somebody tell me I've > got these > the wrong way round before I go and get help from a shrink - > it's eight > years since I stopped with Triumph spares. aaaaargh > John Kipping > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com wrote: From tr5racer at btinternet.com Sat Feb 23 05:12:11 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:12:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Message-ID: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 09:13:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:13:34 EST Subject: [Fot] STEEL FLYWWHEELS TR3 TR4 TR6 Message-ID: FOT, I may have an opportunity to provide a number of steel competition flywheels at a reasonable cost. If you have been looking for an opportunity to acquire a steel flywheel, please contact me. I have five spoken for, thus far. These are all TR3/4 Flywheels. If there is sufficient interest in the TR6 flywheels, the engineering is 95% complete on those. Actually it is 100% done, but we want to verify one more critical dimension on the OD of the flywheel (shrink fit for ring gear) Contact me for the particulars: N197tr4 at cs.com Thanks! Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 11:04:36 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c87646$8d4448f0$b1191718@computer> I am running 225/50ZR/15 Kumhos with the old style American Racing wheels and using two spacers. My tire/wheel combo sticks into the wheel well from the face of the drum 4.375 inches. In other words, my current tire/wheel combo measures 5 inches from face of the drum in and the two spacers shim it out .525 inch. Thanks for the input, Jim in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 13:15:34 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression Message-ID: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Hey group, I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom was overpressure in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor which settles as a whiteish foam. The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have to properly vent the valve cover in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the underside of the valve cover. As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect if I change the oil again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When draining the oil there was no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would expect the rings to have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other three. All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression into the crankcase ? Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled .075 and the liners and head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin spots. Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the overpressure and vapor in the crankcase ? Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the viscosity ? Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no smell of coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there is something else I should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 23 14:39:17 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Dog Box Message-ID: <2796.25914.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi guys thinking of running a dog box for a TR2 any thoughts or information that you can share? Regards Jim Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 23 15:00:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT @ BEAVERUN JULY 2008 Message-ID: <7BDF0BA0.07B11D0A.00159EE9@cs.com> FOT, BeaveRun FOT event seems like a nice offer from Ralph Steinberg. Is there no one that is able to spreadsheet some names and do a little information coordination? Joe A. Ralph Steinberg wrote: >At 01:51 PM 2/20/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >>Tom, >> >>Thanks for bringing this up. >> >>Not so, Tom...People do want to run there. All I heard was the >>positive aspects. >> >>A number of FoT replied and said they would be interested in running >>BeaveRun. This event is well before the Glen and a great >>destination, if you want to visit the PVGP, too. >> >>I think there are at least 20 Triumph Racers out there that would >>enter this event. >> >>However, it needs a "CHAMPION" to bring the idea together and to >>work with Ralph Steinberg...copied here. It really does make a >>difference if someone steps forward and volunteers their time. I >>think "Budscars" has something going on the west coast right >>now....it wouldnt happen otherwise. >> >>Thanks again for bringing this up, Tom! >> >>Joe A >> >>>I'm really confused. >>> >>> The glen is a big name and I know a lot of people want to race >>> there because of that. >>> >>> Beaverun looks like a fun track to me, and one that is much >>> more suited to our cars than the glen could ever be. >>> >>> http://www.beaverun.com/facility_north_road_course.htm >>> and >>> http://www.dunloptires.com/fun/flash/beaverRun.swf for track >>> commentary and video... >>> >>> The people who have been to Beaverun raved about the track, the >>> management, facilities, hospitality, cost, track time etc ... >>> >>> Yet since we have been invited to come, I have seen only one >>> racer, and two autocrossers that are even willing to say they >>> would go there. There must be some TR racers nearby ... >>> What did I miss.... why does no one want to race there?????? >>> >>> I'm puzzled... >>>_______________________________________________ > > Hi everyone. > Well I am excited about the prospects of having racing TR's at >Beaver. And yes this track is set up so that a small nimble car can >climb all over a big car in enough places to make for some very >interesting match ups. If you go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click >the vintage race button and then the beaver button there is more >info, links for the auto cross and entry forms > Ralph Steinberg >PVGPA From dave at microworks.net Sat Feb 23 16:09:57 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:09:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures of the burned TR3 Message-ID: <20080223231539.VUTT20092.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I finally brought myself out to the garage today to pull the shroud off the car and start stripping bits off for the process of getting the car back on the road/track. Posted some pictures at the bottom of my DCTRA Members Car Profile http://www.dctra.org/?p=26 Pulled the bonnet, windshield, battery, air cleaners and Crane Ignition. Gonna "shop-vac" out the burnt bits and ash before going further. Need to see about trying to set up a workday (Mar 1 or Mar 22) to see if anyone wants to come help strip the car down. 1. Take both front fenders off and 2. Pull the nose off I had thought about trying to see if the bonnet could be fixed as the metal above the front carb is warped. But on second thought I think I might try to make some "lemonade" and since this is Bob Schaller's old car and Bob was all about modifying the little beasties to make them better (see his book "More BS about TR's) I am now thinking I'll go ahead and cut out the warped metal but instead of welding in a patch I'll instead make a blister in the bonnet with an opening to draw in outside air to the carbs. Once the fenders and nose are off I'll get those pieces and the car reshot as close to the original Primrose Yellow as possible. Splice in new wiring for the front of the car and it should be good to go. While it is getting painted I'll pull the Panasports off to have them media blasted and then powercoated. Anyone on the FOT list have a recommendation for changing the car over to Dual Masters? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 23 16:18:54 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression References: <000201c87658$d954ebc0$0200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <001101c87672$761becb0$6402a8c0@HOME> Jim, I suppose a water leak that is disturbing your oil and not seating piston rings. There could be a leak at the bottom of the liners from the figure 8 gasket. Easy to find when you remove the oil pan and have a look there. If the head gasket leaks you can see water in the tappets. Remove the rockers and pull out the push rods if they stand in deep water. Your compression figure is quite low for a racing engine. My worst cylinder has a compression of 220 PSI. The best one 230 PSI. Compression rate of 11,3:1. After honing did you change rings too? I do a violent running in procedure to brake in the rings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Motor troubles & compression > Hey group, > I am having some disturbing issues with a fresh motor. The first symptom > was overpressure > in the crankcase. My catch tank is collecting an oily, watery vapor > which settles as a whiteish foam. > The catch tank is plumbed from the fuel pump cover plate. I still have > to properly vent the valve cover > in lieu of the tiny cap vent hole. > Oil also bubbles out the dipstick port in the block. On fresh oil the > oil pressure is 75 lbs +/-. > The foam is also present on the bottom of the oil cap and on the > underside of the valve cover. > As I put some miles on it my oil pressure drops below 40 PSI. I suspect > if I change the oil > again the pressure will go back to normal as it did last time. When > draining the oil there was > no evidence of water. I have about 40 miles in the motor now so I would > expect the rings to > have seated. It's not a fresh bore, just a hone job. > My compression test shows 180 psi in # 1 and 164 even across the other > three. > All the plugs were out when I tested the compression. > Could there be a common or similar leak in 2-4 and bleed compression > into the crankcase ? > Anybody know what a fresh bore should read ? The head has been milled > .075 and the liners and > head gasket trimmed to match the new combustion chamber profile. > Gasket sealer was used but I am a bit concerned as there are a few thin > spots. > Could it be exhaust gases leaking into the crankcase causing the > overpressure and vapor in > the crankcase ? > Then that leaves the drop in oil pressure, is the vapor affecting the > viscosity ? > Also, there is no smoke or steam coming from the exhaust and there is no > smell of > coolant. I plan to pull the head and have a look around but maybe there > is something else I > should look at before I take it apart, any idea's ? > Any advice would be appreciated. > Jim Gray > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 18:21:58 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 07:32:00 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:32:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Case Message-ID: Friends, Does anyone have a transmission case for a TR6 that they would like to get rid of? I would prefer the later model type which has additional ribbing reinforcement. Please let me know. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 24 16:56:11 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <000001c87740$d570c950$b1191718@computer> Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative value (in improving cornering ability) for a TR6 of the following shocks: Koni SPAX KYB Monroe Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From LOddTR at aol.com Sun Feb 24 17:50:30 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:50:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: ____________________________________ On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". ____________________________________ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. _Watch the video on AOL Living._ (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 23:43:45 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <000401c87683$a6738100$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <189319.35371.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I have Koni shocks on the rear suspension of my TR-6 autocross car. These shocks are mounted on the old three piece brackets that were available from Moss Motors in 1994. The bracket sticks out from the inner surface of the wheel well by 2.15", which is a little bit further than the upper half of the Koni shock tube. A small amount of tire rub did occur when using the stock aluminum trailing arms and the stock rubber trailing arm bushings. The rubbing stopped when I made my own three link independent rear suspension that uses spherical rod ends and does not move laterally. The rear track width, the back-set of the rims, and the width of the tires did not not change when the stock trailing arms were taken off and the new three link IRS was installed. Minimum clearance between the sidewall of the tire and the tubular shock mounting bracket is currently 1.6", so that means that with the stock setup the sidewall flex plus the lateral suspension motion allowed by the stock rubber bushings consumed the entire clearance. The car was a handful with the stock rear suspension and the back end kept trying to pass the front; with the new IRS it can be thrown around and gathers up gracefully. In retrospect I blame most of the bad characteristics on the soft stock rubber trailing arm bushings. If you are planning to vintage race or autocross your car I first recommend welding gussets to the mounting brackets for the trailing arms to reduce the probability of breakage and then recommend replacing the stock rubber bushings with solid Nylatron bushings. Jim Prettyleaf jim hearn wrote: Mike, another way of communicating what I have for space is that right now with the same wheel and spacers but a 205 tire, I have 3 inches of clearance between the inside of the tire and the inside of the wheel well. How much of this space is used up by the gusset mounted Koni? In other words, how far does the gusset mounted Koni stick into the wheel well as measured from the back of the wheel well at tire height? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:12 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 01:17:15 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] How much tyre/wheel clearance on the rear tube shock conversion? In-Reply-To: <485568.88878.qm@web86606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <312190.64430.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have 1.6" clearance between the sidewall of 225/45-15 Hoosier autocross tires and the mounting bracket for the Koni shocks at the rear suspension. The 225/45-15 tires are mounted on 8.5" wide Carroll Shelby rims with a 4 bolt by 4.5" bolt circle. The rims and autocross tires are on the car at the moment, so I will not be able to measure the back-set until I rotate the tires just before the next autocross. If I remember correctly the back set on the 8.5" wide rims is 3 and 11/16 inches, which is the same as the 7.0" wide Carroll Shelby rims that carry my 205/50-15 street tires. Jim Prettyleaf HUGHES wrote: Not a lot. Depends on the offset of the wheel and the width and profile of the 225 tyre you are intending using. I have had problems on my racing TR5 which has this set up using 205 x 60 tyres let alone 225's and finished up using a spacer to space out the wheel sufficently to clear the shocker and bracket. What size wheels are you intending using as the ideal wheel size for a 205 x 60 tyre is 7 inch. Do you need to go wider than that? Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jprettyleaf at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From tr5racer at btinternet.com Mon Feb 25 04:25:02 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:25:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks Message-ID: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good From neil at revingtontr.com Mon Feb 25 04:29:43 2008 From: neil at revingtontr.com (Neil Revington) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:29:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks In-Reply-To: <671033.28379.qm@web86615.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Sorry, I forget who asked the original question, hence the round robin We do a very nice Nitron with pin top adjustment. They are a cut above Koni and yards above Spax RTR3633K http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/mainframe.asp?http://www.revingtontr.com /shop/product_display.asp?a=2&mscssid=KSUJT99M9RS92NRV00JP4Q4021E97X00&S iteLanguage=eng&CarType=ALL&PageType=home&ProductID=RTR3633K Cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH HUGHES Sent: 25 February 2008 11:25 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Relative value of various brands of shocks I have some original Armstrong adjustable shockers on the front of my racing TR5 which have been on the car for 15 years. They work very well, are well made and easy to adjust but went out of production many years ago. I have tried Spax and the adjusters did not last very long so would not use them again. Certainly in the UK Koni are the best available although they are a bit of a pain to adjust. They are also very strong. The Konis on the rear of my car have both been damaged in accidents but still function perfectly well and have also been on the car for about 15 years! Mike Hughes --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 06:51:54 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:51:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c877b5$94d1ea30$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> As a result of our exhaustive, ongoing research into the poignant story of Martha McDougal and her exploits at Standard-Triumph, it has come to light that the rumor of Sir John Black being the butt of her little "fat bastard" joke must certainly have been in error. In fact, Sir John was always in top physical shape and would never have been considered to be fat. Also, he happened to have died many years before Martha retired. We are digging deeper into the records to find out just who the mysterious "fat bastard" was and who actually presided over her retirement ceremony. Hopefully we will be able to shed some light on that at the 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Golden Tennis Shoe awards presentation in April at VIR. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net On Behalf Of LOddTR at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR On April 18th through the 20th, Virginia International Raceway will host the Vintage Drivers Club of America Wild Hare Run. As part of this great weekend of racing, with ample track time, the Triumph Ghetto will again sponsor a Triumph-only event-within-an-event. During Friday afternoon's Wild Hare Run, Triumphs will compete for the Martha McDougal Trophy, to be presented by our 2007 Champion - Dennis DeLap. You are all invited to vie for coveted trophy and enjoy the hospitality of the TR Ghetto at Friday evening's Soon-To-Be-Famous Fish and Lobster Fry - provided by the ghetto's newest member, Rob Deanes! Mark your calendar, and be prepared to enjoy a fantastic weekend racing on one of the world's most beautiful and challenging tracks. Leo Oddi, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton & Rob Deanes In case you have forgotten, this is why we honor Dear Martha (painstakingly researched by Don Marshall) This Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 08:04:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:04:12 EST Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Question TR6 vs. GT6 Message-ID: FOT, I had a question I could not answer. Will a TR6 flywheel fit on the GT6 Crankshaft? Joe A From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 08:45:17 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:17 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 09:31:24 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:31:24 EST Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Message-ID: Gary, Congratulations on your successful weekend. Keep The Glen in mind, too. Joe From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Feb 25 09:56:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820CAECA94@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> That other gentleman was Roger Williams. He has been the go to guy when you need something that you forgot for your LBC for all my time in CVAR, alway willing to help a brother out. Roger teaches Auto Tech in the Houston area and has done so for many years. He was also the founder of the vintage Spec Sprite class. His current school project is an early Spitfire donated to his school by another CVAR member. Roger is looking for an 1147 engine for this project. Ed Barnard may have him fixed up, but I'm not sure, and it is a worthy cause. The kids in Auto Tech courses in Houston typically come from the segment of the student body most likely to drop out and become a drain on society. Ed can chime in and tell me if he has an engine for Roger, but otherwise we are still looking. As for our race weekend, it was great to have Gary down in Texas for the school. His pal, Walt "wrench" Reed, managed to pull and replace the oil cooler during the drivers meeting on a cold Saturday morning in time for Gary to make his school session which was the first group out. I remain impressed, and a bit jealous. I need a chief mechanic too! It's always a good thing when the school paticipants make it through the weekend and run all the laps. We have a new Spitfire that rolled off the trailer for the school, purchased as race ready, only to vibrate with a bent axle at speed. He'll have to do the school next time. With a Gary's TR4, my 4A, Bobby Whiteheads GT6 and Joe Hovey's Spitfire all performing well all weekend we had a nice Triumph showing. If all goes well this Spetember (our next TWS event) we'll have Jim McAndrew's TR3 and Mark Van Lake's TR6 for September and we will have a full display of Triumph vintage race cars. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CVAR Drivers School & Race @ TWS Just a short note to the list to say those of us that made the TWS weekend had a good time. I managed to make it through the weekend and get my Novice permit even though my oil cooler cracked and gave it up. Bob Kramer and another gentleman came to the rescue with a replacement and got it on the car while I was at a drivers/student meeting. What can you say?? Great people & great fun!! Had a few other minor issues on the car that need addressing but for not having been run on the track for 6 years I thought it did pretty well. For those of you who may wonder my best time on the 2.9 mile course was 2:20. That was before some of the other issues. I felt pretty good about that. Hope to see some of you at Hallett. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 11:45:01 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? -- Chuck Arnold From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 11:46:34 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Message-ID: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob From twakeman at razzolink.com Mon Feb 25 11:50:08 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:50:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE fuel inlet parts In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0802251045u549e9a7bldf7872b71b803dc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C30DE0.9020502@razzolink.com> Have you tried Pierce Manifolds? www.piercemanifolds.com/products.htm Teriann Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have a set of triple Weber DCOEs. The fiber/cotton?? washers surrounding > the banjo bolts on the fuel inlets have deteriorated to the point they > leak. I cannot find replacement parts. The outer one is 15mm, but crush > washers come only in14 [too small] and 16 [too big]. The Carb supplier I > usually use says they are not available. Does any one have a source? From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 12:17:15 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com in my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their initial design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 at the wheels is really not too discernible. The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock to provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there > were > discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was > it a > simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Feb 25 12:19:14 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:19:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: I use one on a GT6, and I swear revs come on faster. But that's just me. No it was not a simple bolt on. Regards, John Reed Staff Photographer Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com Please note that effective immediately, my e-mail , phone number and street address have changed. Please update your files accordingly. "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent by: fot-bounces+john.reed=wilson.com at autox.team.net 02/25/08 10:46 AM To "Friends of Triumph" cc Subject [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there were discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was it a simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 12:29:07 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Clutch Choices? Message-ID: <005901c877e4$b0a8a3f0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm assembling a new race engine. The NOS Laycock Sheffield (sp?) clutch that I bought to install, a two piece assembly of pressure plate and what looks like a surrounding domed shield that bolts onto the flywheel over it, is several pounds heavier than the AP (Automotive Products) unit that is on the other engine I have. Anybody have any input on failure rates, relative merits, etc? I hate to bolt this really heavy Laycock unit onto the aluminum flywheel I got to reduce weight in exactly the same place, but now I'm wondering if there is a good reason it is so much more substantial than the AP unit. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:02:05 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:02:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear brake cylinders Message-ID: <000d01c877e9$4bfe2010$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> This is for those that are still running rear drums. I was going to rebuild the rear wheel cylinders and found that the kits I have are for a 7/8 cylinder and my cylinders are 0.700. I've got the brake bias set all the way to the front, so I'm wondering if I should drop the rear cylinder size even further. What are you guys running? Thanks Jim Norlin From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 13:17:17 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:17:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? Message-ID: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 25 13:51:49 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:51:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> <8cbd782d0802251117t406ad67tc3100676778a91d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c877f0$3dddc6a0$d214c548@RW> Think not just a little power but the ease of rev increase not carrying that oil weight/windage will improve the ET in the top gears especially where you are in the gear longer and the rev increase is slow. Side by side with another duplicate of your car in power and you'll just move away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper >I have used the crank scraper and windage tray made by Crank-scrapers.com >in > my TR6 [actually, they used my oil pump, sump pan and a rod in their > initial > design/creation process]. Unfortunately, the car and engine were stolen. > So I now have another one on order [this one is modified in that it has > Teflon edging.]. It is supposed to add hp, but going from say 185 to 190 > at > the wheels is really not too discernible. > > The scraper requires a metal piece that goes between the pan and the lock > to > provide enough clearance. You can see pictures of my old setup at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/WindageTrayScraprerAndStuds > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hello, I am wondering if anyone is using a crank scrapper and if there >> were >> discernable performance improvements Also with a stock crank and rods was >> it a >> simple bolt on with out any clearance issues. thanks rob >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From igofaster at charter.net Mon Feb 25 15:08:01 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FoT @ TWS with CVAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080225170801.94STK.81382.root@fepweb01> Great to be back sleeping in my own bed. I did it hippie style sleeping in the van. The GT6+ performed flawlessly again. I did run a smaller tire as I was getting tire rub with the 185 60's. The 175 60's worked better. Bobby Whitehead 1970 GT6+ #54 CVAR Group 2 EP From TR4racr at aol.com Mon Feb 25 17:15:38 2008 From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:15:38 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - 2nd Annual F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. RACES at VIR Message-ID: I plan to attend and look forward to the gala. If you need help with anything please let me know. George Wright **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 17:38:52 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? References: <001b01c877eb$6b554770$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <022f01c8780f$f67feac0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, according to what I've been told, 2 1/2 psi should be OK. With the regulator just before the carbs. I use a Holley red pump and regulator. Seems to work. Good luck. Bill Tobin Vintage TR6 Erie, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [Fot] What fuel pressure do Zenith-Strombergs like? > If I am running a pressure regulator with a pair of Zenith-Strombergs on a > TR6, what pressure do the carbs like? Thanks, Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 25 22:05:32 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-6 crank scrapper In-Reply-To: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> References: <002501c877de$bf721930$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <47C39E1C.2090203@bradakis.com> I've certainly scrapped a few cranks in my day. Oh, you meant scrape, not scrap. Never mind ;-) Weather report is claiming clear skies and temps in the low 50s coming up this weekend here in Utah. I'll be spending some time in the garage dusting off that decrepit squaretail Spit I was driving last year. I'm looking forward to hitting the streets in a Triumph RealSoonNow. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Feb 26 10:20:29 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:20:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a motor oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer This should make life easier for all of us. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 11:39:14 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:39:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 Message-ID: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> >From what I can find, these are both non-synthetic (conventional oils). What I cannot find is the ZDDP and Moly content difference. The VV211 is about $5.00 a quart and the VV851 is about $10.00 a quart. The VV851 is "Not Street Legal" whereas the VV211 is "Extreme Performance Level Protection" "with ZDDP". Thanks. Tim Murphy TR4 #317 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 26 12:01:50 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:01:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 In-Reply-To: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web site ? VV851 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf VV211 : http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer "anti-wear" additives ? Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Feb 26 13:04:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:04:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web site. The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web > site > ? > > VV851 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf > > VV211 : > http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf > > Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" > claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional difference > at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer > "anti-wear" additives ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 17:06:14 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:13 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again References: <00b201c8789b$e319c500$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <006201c878d4$917b83d0$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <001e01c878dc$ac1d03a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. Brad Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I should buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and ruin the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race weekend, but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Feb 26 18:04:41 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:04:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color to boot. What's not to love? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil again > Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > motor > oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > This should make life easier for all of us. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 20:09:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 References: <000601c878a6$e35a7680$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC><1e1201c878aa$0b56caf0$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <000601c878b2$cb8daa70$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <001c01c878ee$2a0ace80$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi Gang...there's an interesting article about oil in the March 2008 issue of SCCA Sports Car magazine..page #52////..By the way I'm now useing Mobil Full Synthetic 15/50 in my Spitfire Vintage Racer..... My Friend Ron Chisholm of RM Pacific Motorsports at Infineon informed me that Jay Ivey(noted engine builder) reccomends the mobil, or Redline...also, ..The Porsche 962 Historic Race Cars that Ron does Track support for.. use the Mobil 15/50 full synthetic Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Randall" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > Nope, no reason at all. I just couldn't find those pdf's on their web > site. > The difference seems to be the calcium. Thanks. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine oil, Valvoline VV211 vs VV851 > > >> Is there some reason to not believe the info posted on Valvoline's web >> site >> ? >> >> VV851 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/Specialty%20Racing%20Oils.pdf >> >> VV211 : >> http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf >> >> Hard to see any difference in those numbers, tho. The "Not for Racing" >> claims .12% while VR1 claims .13% ... if there's any functional >> difference >> at all, it doesn't appear to be in ZDDP. Maybe it's in one of the newer >> "anti-wear" additives ? >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 26 20:44:06 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:44:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil again In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DEA73@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: We just purchased 6 cases of Brad Penn at $45/case. With tax, that is less than $4 a quart. Now we have green oil, blue brake fluid and pink coolant! Allen On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > That's what I do. It's inexpensive, has the goods and is a nice color > to boot. What's not to love? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > > To: Charly Mitchel ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Tue Feb 26 18:06:14 2008 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > JVV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a >> motor >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: >> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? >> PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer >> This should make life easier for all of us. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:59:07 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:59:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil and race motor break in Message-ID: <8cbd782d0802262059s36ae1045t175e98c9e70e2940@mail.gmail.com> I bought a case of Joe Giggs 15W-50 from Hoerr Racing Products for $57 a case. I also ordered some other parts [AN fittings]. Do not know what the threshold was, but shipping was free. They are in IIIinois, I am in Seattle. Bought a case of Brad Penn brake in oil locally to use in the two new motors I am breaking in [one street, one race]. On braking in a race motor: How do you do it -- only place the car can run is on the track. First sessions out will be test and tune, so I can control somewhat the speeds for each 20 minute session. Sure would like some advice in this topic. Chuck On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > To answer your question, it is about choices, availability and dollars. > Brad > Penn is great but the 20-50 is a semi-synthetic. They sell a break in oil > and it probably should be used first but who can tell for sure. So I > should > buy 8 quarts at $5.00 each, run a weekend and dump it. I replace it with > 20W-50 and how long do I leave that in? What if I get a water leak and > ruin > the oil. The ability to add ZDDP to otherwise good oil allows for more > options. I used to dump the Valvoline VR1 I used almost every race > weekend, > but I can't afford to waste the Brad Penn. Mine is still Green after 3 > weekends, just barely and I didn't use the Break-in oil. > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Van Vlack" > To: "Charly Mitchel" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil again > > > > Why not just buy Brad Penn Racing oil? > > JVV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charly Mitchel" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:20 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Oil again > > > > > >> Maybe one last time on this oil thing. Moss Motors is now offering a > >> motor > >> oil with higher levels of zddp for the flat lifter engines, > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65910&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> and a additive to use in your own oil if you prefer: > >> > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65940&SortOrder > >> =1&utm_source=British124&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Emailer > >> This should make life easier for all of us. > >> Charly Mitchel > >> TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From REK46 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 12:46:05 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:46:05 EST Subject: [Fot] kas email Message-ID: sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 2598) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 27 13:20:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:20:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] kas email References: Message-ID: <00f801c8797e$3bcbeec0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> kas kastner E-mail Address(es): kaskas at cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] kas email > sorry,but lost kas' email address....do we have ? > > > ************** > Ideas to > please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030000000 > 2598) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 15:24:57 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: ALERT: Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies Message-ID: Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: AutoWeek To: klynch_6 at msn.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: ALERT: Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies HOME | LATEST NEWS | VEHICLE REVIEWS | RACING | SUBSCRIBE | CLASSIFIEDS Wednesday, February 27, 2008 Boyd Coddington, shown signing an autograph during the SEMA show last October. Hot-rod builder Boyd Coddington dies By Mark Vaughn | 02/27/08, 12:49 pm et Boyd Coddington, the hot-rod innovator whose creations won the coveted Grand National Roadster Show's America's Most Beautiful Roadster (AMBR) trophy a record six times, died Wednesday morning of undisclosed causes. He was 63. Coddington was raised in rural Idaho but moved to Southern California as soon as he could to pursue his dream of building hot rods. He quickly earned a reputation for subtle, stylistic innovations on what had been an almost overdone theme--the '32 Ford roadster. That branched out to '33s, '34s and then all manner of surprising twists on iconic themes. Names such as Boydster, Smoothster, Alumacoupe and Chezoom redefined what a rod could be. His wheels were equally well known, particularly those shaved from billet aluminum. He soon earned the nickname "Billet... CLICK HERE TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the AutoWeek Daily Drive E-mail or to sign up for other AutoWeek e-mail products. IMPORTANT: Please add AutoWeek.com to your E-mail Address Book to ensure you will continue to receive our newsletters. Please DO NOT reply to this e-mail. You will not receive a reply if you use this e-mail address. Crain Communications, 1155 Gratiot Ave. Detroit, MI 48207. From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Feb 28 05:54:36 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:54:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] May 17 - SVRA Message-ID: FoT If anyone is planning to attend the May SVRA event (May 17 -19) at Road America, I have a 30% off coupon for the Osthoff Resort if anyone is interested. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Feb 28 06:15:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:15:33 EST Subject: [Fot] May 17 - SVRA Message-ID: This is a good weekend to use the Osthoff. In the past they have had a "get away weekend package" in May. Good rates for suites and $25 per day coupons for drink and/or food. But you dont get it unless you ask for it........ > FoT > > If anyone is planning to attend the May SVRA event (May 17 -19) at Road > America, I have a 30% off coupon for the Osthoff Resort if anyone is > interested. > > Allen > From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 07:07:28 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:07:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080228141842.NSAQ17412.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 28 22:31:49 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] List down? Message-ID: <20080229053702.HCSE19348.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Have not seen any traffic since 7am when I asked that question about HSR West next weekend. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Feb 29 03:06:25 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:06:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil Message-ID: <200802291006.m1TA6aS0405536@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a note to me from a friend in the lube industry. Nice to know that they are aware of our problems, even if the solutions aren't quite available. I think when we beat the drum longly and loudly on lists like this, and get the involvement on folks on this list, good things can actually happen. [813/37] >Jack >For your info >Looks like conoco phillips is stepping to the >plate to sell some racing oil as well >Hope all is well > > >Western Petroleum Company >Dennis Gamble >General Mgr. Lubes >130 Willow Lawn Drive SW >Waverly, IA 50677 >612-801-4166 Cell >800-972-3835 ext 1514 corp office >866-543-1428 Computer fax >319-352-0202 Office >319-352-0505 Office Fax > > >----- Forwarded Message ---- >From: ConocoPhillips Company >To: DENNIS GAMBLE >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:34:59 PM >Subject: Lubestream Direct Connect :: Reformulation of 20W50 Racing Oil > > >Lubestream Direct Connect > > > > >February 22, 2008 > >Dear ConocoPhillips Lubricants Marketer, > >As part of our ongoing commitment to identify >and provide you, our valued Marketers, with >products, programs and tools to help you grow >your business, we are pleased to announce that >76 High Performance Motor Oil SAE 20W-50, >Kendall GT-1. High Performance Motor Oil SAE >20W-50 and Phillips TropArtic. Racing Motor Oil >20W-50 will be reformulated. 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For more information >click >here. >Update >your preferences | >Unsub scribe > > uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 29 07:30:21 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <20080229144216.FBIS28556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter as we will be running as a group with them. From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Feb 29 08:52:22 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow Message-ID: <1261588.221651204300343011.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> I'm planning on going to Cal Speedway for the VARA races the same weekend. VARA races usually have a good turnout of Triumphs. Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2008/02/29 Fri AM 08:30:21 CST >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] HSR at Willow >Anybody going to be at Willow Springs next weekend (3/8)? I am >trying to see about going out there to run my son on his 125 Shifter >as we will be running as a group with them. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 09:32:53 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine Message-ID: <000001c87af0$bc525070$34f6f150$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 29 10:24:35 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:24:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Feb 29 10:33:57 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values References: Message-ID: <00e001c87af9$43a87ce0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike Jackson's and mine. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. Joe A > Hello: > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about a > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see if > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, something > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > Gary > > 62 TR4 > > 69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09300 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 29 10:52:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:52:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 02/29/2008 11:25:15 AM Central Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Absolutely...and in spite of some of us. Bill Dentinger ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SMITH1127 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 11:41:50 2008 From: SMITH1127 at aol.com (SMITH1127 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mlcooknj at msn.com Fri Feb 29 12:18:27 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hardtop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi- Every time I see a reference to a TR4 as a "TR4 Surrey Top" I am compelled to correct it. A TR4 with the fixed rear window and removable steel top is properly called a TR4 Hardtop. The Surrey Top is the little metal framework and vinyl snap-on that was used to fill the gap when the steel top was off the car. Why? Because the steel top won't fit in the trunk and takes up too much room inside the car. The Surrey Top was an extra. This isn't one side of a discussion, it's a correct statement of how the car was named and marketed. There, that's off my chest! Mike Cook> From: SMITH1127 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:41:50 -0500> To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values> > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car.> > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert> > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > You are subscribed as mlcooknj at msn.com From rem9 at frontiernet.net Fri Feb 29 14:12:57 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden tractor..................NUTZ!) Ah for the old days Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SMITH1127 at aol.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to go back and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably stupid money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the car. Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a clear picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good examples. Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 23:14:44 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:14:44 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values References: <002d01c87b17$dba24c10$92e6e430$@net> Message-ID: <000801c87a9a$617774b0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Yeah. In 1969 or thereabouts I traded a '61 Fiat Abarth 750 for A '62 Ford Falcon Station wagon that burned a quart of oil every 250 miles. The Abarth didn't burn any, but it needed starter motor brushes (again!). Guess it was those super high compression pistons. S. Preiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Moore" To: ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Cornell > students were discarding them like last week's date. Those I was able to > drive away usually were $75. I recall three TR-250s that were purchased for > less than $100. This was the same period of time I passed up a 1961 XKE > roadster because it needed paint and after all, who wanted to pay $750 for a > car that needed paint. I did buy a 1970 Mustang Mach I for $300 that was > fully loaded back in 1976. (No I traded it in on a garden > tractor..................NUTZ!) > > Ah for the old days > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > SMITH1127 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:42 PM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > I'm sure everyone remembers the 1963 TR4 Surrey Top that sold at the > Barrett-Jackson auction in Florida back in 2006 for $97,200. I just had to > go back > and check that number to make sure I remembered it correctly! Probably > stupid > money, but who knows the real story other than someone really liked the > car. > > Seems to me the TR4 cars and TR3A and B cars are trending upward, with nice > > examples selling in the $30,000 range without being anomalies. As for the > small mouth cars, there are likely not enough sold at auction to give a > clear > picture of trend in value, although I would guess trending up for good > examples. > Fun discussion, and thanks for the posts. Aloha, Robert > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From westerneagleracing at att.net Fri Feb 29 16:12:20 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Values Message-ID: <022920082312.10196.47C8915400076529000027D422230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Jeff: Autoweek has a 63 TR 4 that sold at auction at Gooding & Co. in Scottdale for $44,000.00. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jeff Snook" > > I saw a TR3A for sale for $49,900 this week on the internet!! Guy must be > crazy, but it does help to keep the market strong. Nicely restored ones seem > to be moving in the $20K to $25K range. Of course if you restored one from > scratch, you could easily have that much (or more) in one! > > There will be two nice TR3s racing at Sebring in a couple weeks, Mike > Jackson's and mine. > > Vroom, vroom, > > Jeff Snook > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:24 PM > Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values > > > While it is great to see the value of our Triumphs rise, I'd hate to see it > rise artificially, as a big air bubble and then burst. > > I think it is likely that the demand for TR3A and TR4s is on the rise. There > are some that argue with me. But the numbers seem to agree. > > I's also like to think that the FoT has given the Triumph more credibility > off the track and on the track. Thus more value and respect. > > Joe A > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > In the latest issue of AutoWeek (March 3, 2008), there is a column about > a > > recent auction in Arizona where a 1963 TR4 with Surrey Top was sold for > > $44,000. The car was described as being in "flawless" condition after > > undergoing a frame-up, five year restoration in 1994. Since then it had > > seen minimal use. In June 2007 at a Christie's auction, this same car > > failed to sell despite a high bid in the upper $30,000 range. Let's see > if > > I buy two TR's, race one and restore the other for auction.hmmm, > something > > to think about as these cars continue to appreciate. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > 69 TR6 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09300 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as westerneagleracing at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 17:58:34 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:58:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Video Message-ID: <000001c87b37$61415b30$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A week or so ago, I finally got around to putting a video of a race between my Spitfire and one of the local Spridgets on You Tube. It's a bit different than most since both of us had in-car cameras and I merged the tapes together so you see the passing from both cars vantage point. The 1275 Sprite had my 1147 on the straights, but I could sure out brake and out handle him. I've got a 1300 now and am really looking forward to the new season. You can see the video at: http://www.youtube.com/user/norlineng From Herald948 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 20:05:19 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:05:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Show and Shine & Triumph Values Message-ID: In a message dated 2/29/2008 5:25:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spreiss at verizon.net writes: > It's interesting how time changes your surroundings. I remember back in my > University days (70-74) being paid $50 to drag off non-running TRs. Sigh...I still remember paying a local tow outfit $25 to bring me the free TR4 a friend was giving me. Yeah, the body was pretty rusty, but it was an almost fully-optioned car: wire wheels, Michelin X tires, overdrive. Conifer with red interior. Only thing missing from the option list was the hardtop. I parted it out. (This was the mid-1970s....) Actually, I might have made the right decision, since the body literally folded in half when I removed it from the chassis. Still.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Fri Feb 29 20:48:05 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:48:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfire racers Message-ID: I have a few race prepared 1500 cranks from the FP days when my car was raced in the early 90's. 2 of them have a tapered snout, and the woodruff keyway extended out to the nose. The cam gear mounting appears unaffected (still flat) Does anyone have idea what the intent of this taper would have been? Harmonic Damper from another make/model? Cog-belt pulley? I wanted to find out before I went and had something custom made, if there was an off-the shelf component used. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Feb 29 21:06:07 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking to Sift the memories of the original FP spitfireracers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005e01c87b51$93ba59d0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Can you supply any information as to the history of your car? Where was it raced and who were the previous owners? There were some custom harmonic dampers made to help keep these engines from shaking apart, as all too many did. Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 29 22:01:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS WANTED Message-ID: <005f01c87b59$50cf2e40$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..If anyone has a gt6 mk2 rh vertical link, please contact Mike at bearranch at mtaonline.net Thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21